August 29, 2025 • 20 mins
So Prop and Matt have been secretly working on a poetry record, lowkey inspired by the work Cool Zone does. Peep the first poem here on the pod!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Media ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is a tap in that is a very special
tap in one because you finally get to hear Matt
Awsowski's voice speak a moment.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Matt, Hello, how's it going?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Happy to be here?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He sounds black, don't he?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He used to be on a radio somewhere.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I have heard that I have a voice for radio
in the past, ye, but I've never believed it.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You have an NPR voice, PBS voice.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, just in time for their defunding. I'm really pleased.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I thought you were going to say something like make
sure you support public radio, and.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Don't you don't make sure you support public radio? Yeah,
and also cools on media.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Absolutely, which is kind of what brings us here today
speaking of the ending of public radio. So, uh, these
next ten or so episodes, these next ten or so
tap ins will be with me and Matt and they
are about a poetry record we put together and are
(01:19):
putting out called The Endling and it is totally produced
by Matt and it's as my first full poetry album.
So first, let me tell you what an endling is
and then get into like, what's Matt, what your initial
thoughts are? And then we'll just talk about the first
(01:43):
track and then we'll play the first track. You guys
with that perfect So honestly I got the term endling
from a Radio Lab episode which at some point I'm
gonna send them this album because I had never heard
of what this was until this episode. And the premise
is they were asking about like the extinction of the
(02:06):
dinosaurs and if there was a name for that last
dinosaur before they were all going to go extinct, like
kind of sad, like, is there is there something we
call that? And then they go, well, actually we have
a story about it. He not radio Labs set up,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Uh, and.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You're listening to w n y z uh anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Amazing sound design, amazing sound design.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So then they interview this this guy who kind of
asked the same question, who lived in a uh you know,
old folks like you know, help help home.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I can't even think of a word of it, uh.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
But he was essentially all of his siblings are passed,
he has no kids, and he's it in his family
and he kind of wondered, He's like, yeah, I guess
my family line is about to go instinct and he
just kind of wondered, Yo, I wonder if there's a
word for that, for the last of a thing before
it goes extinct. So they write, so the people that
(03:10):
work there right into Nature, which is a magazine or
a periodical, right to be like, yo, is there a
word for that? And there was a bunch of different suggestions,
but they landed on the term endling, right, And where
they came up with that is like, okay, well like
a foundling or like a young ling, you know what
I'm saying. Like, so that's kind of where they came
(03:32):
up with, like the endling, right, And so the endling
is again the last of a living species before it
goes e'stinct. But that's not where the story ends because
what we learn is a lot of the traits live
on in its closely related genus.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So the animal picks up, you know, if we're talking
about an animal whatever, it picks up some of the
best practices from species that when it's stinked.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Right, Because if you step back for.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
A second, there are such things as chickens, and chickens
are like we know the descendant of dinosaurs, right, there
are things about the human species, you know, knowing that
at some point there were six versions, right, one of
which the Neanderthals.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Like, we still get a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
From them, like things like being colorblind or some of
the audio autoimmune diseases.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
They come from Neanderthals, right.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But at the end of the day, like even if
you think about your uncle or your aunt that like,
you know, passed away and didn't have no kids, I'm
pretty sure there's a lot of sayings.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
That still stick around.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
There was a lady in our family who passed away, Olga,
who used to say stuff like trochimochi all the time.
And what she was trying to say is like, if
you do something sloppy, right, it's like, oh, you did
it all thro chimochi. I tell my children that. So
I'm like, hey, you made your bed, I'll throw chimochi.
So I'm like, oga lives on, you know, she just
lives on in a different way. So I say that
(05:09):
to say, the term endling inside of any sort of
definition always have an asterisk next to it, because what
they're trying to say is like nothing ever actually goes extinct,
It just lives on in other ways. So for me,
I was like, oh, this is poetry, right, what that
(05:32):
has to do with her politics is I mean gestures wildly,
like look around with where we are as a culture,
as a country. I think Matt and I are of
the generation of like we're the last ones who played
outside without push notifications, like none of you will know
(05:54):
a life without the Internet, like we're it, you know,
saying to have our our and it's an interesting thing.
And then the more we look at politics and stuff
like that, like it's it's the end of an era,
like there, you know, the post Cold War, post Cold Wars,
that era is done. You know, like this man is
(06:15):
kicking it with Russia, like it's you know, saying like
this is a new time. You feel me, like American fascism,
like like this there we are living at the end
of something. But like we said, nothing truly goes extinct.
So my thought from a creative standpoint is like, okay,
(06:36):
so if we know this is what's going on, then.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Maybe we can curate the things that we pass on.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Maybe we can be more purposeful and in a lot
of ways, Look, this is the vision of cool zone media.
Like you know what I'm saying, It's like, all right,
we're seeing we're seeing society collapse, like you know, but
like what is salvageable?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
What can and live on?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
What?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And how do we what do we hope the future
learns from us?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You know, So that's kind of the idea of the
poetry of the Endling beautiful?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, what resonated with you? Met? Well?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think all of this stuff, you know. The question
I was going to ask is how did this idea
lead you to writing poetry about it? But that was
self evident in what you just described. It's like that,
you know, the track that we're going to talk about
next week. You say history can only be understood through poetry,
which I think is there's a lot to unpack there
that's really interesting. But like in the context of civilization,
(07:34):
it's you know, civilizations seem to run in this cyclical pattern.
You know, anyone who studies history will tell you this.
I think the question is is this a natural phenomenon
or is there something consciously do to shift the collapses?
Or do we even want to you know, like in
the sense of like our society is this the ultimate
form of society? Is our world the best that it
(07:57):
can be? Yeah, it feels like sometimes you need some
form of collapse in order to rebuild, and there's certainly
lots of rebuilding that needs to happen in terms of
the general structure of not even American society, but I
feel like the world society at large. And my hope
is that the collapse destroys certain power structures but reawakens
(08:17):
the earth conscious spirits of people. And I think that's
the poetic side of it. You know, you care for
each other and the planet in which we exist, but
also come from. And so I think what's most interesting
about this poem to me, there's so much but like
the approach to like, so I started out with the
sort of wind sound to accompany your poetry, to kind
(08:41):
of set the stage, because I wanted to feel like
we were standing at the edge of this precipice, because
that's kind of what it feels like every day just
watching the news or going out about our business in
the world, and then bringing in the music to create
this sense of growing urgency. But then this urgency and
looking into this precipice, then you describing the poetry creates
(09:04):
this also this self reflection, and so it's like this
mirror of these two sides. Yeah, I guess my question
(09:26):
for you, and that is reflection itself seems to be
a big theme in this poem. Yeah, what is it
about looking into the face of change or mortality or
extinction that makes us look inward?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, dude, I think a great question. I think the
idea is like is one you know, the episode that
dropped this week on the main feed was like you know,
the flag can't get me reader.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, I'm saying it as morad as an angle wood.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So it's like it's when you're in the find out phase,
like we're already here, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You have to accept it.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Right that that there's no longer now there's no question
as to like where it's going, like we know where
it's going, you feel me. So at that point you're like,
all right, well your only choice. I feel like you're
only it seems like the natural thing is to think, yo,
(10:21):
how do we get here?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right? And then like what do I value now? Like
what still matters to me? You know?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I think that that's what this poem was about.
Like if I'm thinking, Okay, this is it, like you know,
it's and I try to start this poem off or
this even this whole album off where it feels like
a death cause it is where it feels dark, you
know what I'm saying, And just like, but a darkness
that you've accepted, like I've accepted that this is where
we are, you feel me, And when you've accepted, you
(10:53):
can truly mourn. But now you can say, Okay, there's
a line in there where it's just like your priorities
have a yard sale to where you're just like, look, dude,
why did this matter so much?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You feel me?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Uh, my youngest daughter right now or not my youngest,
My otherest daughter had her first experience with the Los
Angeles Toe Trucking Institution in the sense that she blocked
the driveway and they told her car, Yo said, And
then she ain't get there in time, so it had
(11:26):
to stay overnight. You know what I'm saying, is this
the ticket and the toe service and the impounding for
the night. I'm like, this a four hundred dollars lesson
for you, you feel me, and which would have been
fine had she not decided to go out every night
last week, YO said. So when you looking at that
(11:47):
four hundred dollar ticket, you start thinking about that extra
Wuaki ordered last week. You feel me like you start
thinking about like, did I really did I really? Did
we need to go? Did we need to go get
them some every night? Could I have stayed home?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And it's just like, man, what was my priorities? Why
was that so important to me? Why was it so
important to me that we went out every night? You
know what I'm saying. And then, and I'm not saying
that that's wrong. She enjoyed herself. Maybe she lived a
great life. You know, maybe it's like maybe the lesson
is like, no, it's fine. It's like, we're out of money,
(12:23):
but I spent my money on joy.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But think about it. I don't know, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So at the brink of extinction, you're like, Okay, was
it so important that I saved money for a rainy
data never came? We're gonna die anyway, you know what
I'm saying. Was you know, why was I of arguing
with that person on the internet? We was gonna die anyway?
You feel me Like, so, I don't know, you know
what I mean. So that's why I was like, dude,
(12:50):
these are the things I wonder what the things you
think about when you realize you're finna go extinct, certainly.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, I mean it's I can't see how it wouldn't
cause you to look inward in that way.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
It's just everything is stripped away, every every excuse you
can make is no longer valid. It's just like, okay,
what is going on?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
So then I guess do you think in that sense
that self reflection is the key to building this better
world or helping to shift the way in which this
extinction is happening.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I feel like that's the journey.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's the journey of the project, is like, Okay, here's
where we are. You know, if I do I'm like,
if I have a choice as to what gets passed on,
what would I want?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
If I know, I'm a die.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Out, Like what we're what we got, Like there's no
reason to try to like hold on to something that's gone,
you know. So that I guess it's the key. But
like I don't know, you know what I mean? And
I think that that's the Like I said, that's the
journey of the project, is the exploration of that, Like
as I'm looking at us saying we're gonna lose our country,
(14:01):
We're gonna lose democracy, We're gonna lose this, It's like, Okay,
did we ever have it? You know what I'm saying, like,
you know, just just what are those questions? Because at
any time I hear that stuff, I still think I'm
still hearing it in a black body, you know, we
still have you know, hell Margaret, you know, in a
trans body. Like when you start thinking about those situations,
(14:22):
it's like, I mean, what are we saving here?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You know what I'm saying, Like, what what is it?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
You know?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And maybe if there is something there, that's the exploration.
But if there's going to be a T three version,
you know, a T three thousand, like the next version
of us, what would I hope it picks up? And
what do I hope it learns to not be you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Don't do this?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know what I mean? Yes, that is absolutely a
question worth pondering because it's it's not a simple answer.
I don't think yeah, But at the same time, it
is right, what are yeah, what are the aspects of
our culture that we would want to survive? Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I mean I like snacks, I really like snacks.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I like uh, I like that I can go outside
and breathe the air.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I do like breatheable air.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I do like, I do like the fact that we
can do this in two different states, like there there
are things.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Oh yeah, without the Internet, we would not be working
together in this capacity, no way. So that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Well, let's play the track before this gets too long.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, because we could go on for a while and
there's plenty of other tracks to talk about, and we
can develop this conversation as we go.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yep, all right, tap in bringing the distinction, M bring
(16:10):
the brink of extinction.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You know, your awareness of urgency finally finds its focus,
and you see no point in being angry about the past,
and the future ain't even got you in its plans,
at least in its current form. All there is is
this now, just a couple more nows, and you notice
the sweet taste of now which has eluded.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You the whole time.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
On the brink of extinction, your definition of family stretches,
priorities find their final form, Your palate becomes refined and
child like, and the somalia of fine whiskeys and fried.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Foods, corn serve and pain.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And you know what, the best cup of anything you
ever had is that one that's in your.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Hand on the brink of extinctions.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
On the brink of extinction, the songs and your fore mothers,
which once produced the most diffy of eye rolls, take
center stage and receive their lifetime Achievement awards, and you
remember that they have been a warm blanket and north
star for all of your wanderlust. You start emptying your
draft folder, not on some sports earth because that we
(17:22):
already have nah, on some mass deletion, because who needs
luggage and paradise?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
That's a bar who needs luggage to paradise? Who needs
luggage to paradise? Who needs luggage to Paradise?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Who needs luggy to paradise? Who needs luggage and paradise? Parady?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You're on the brink of extinction.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Forgiveness feels as involuntary is breathing, and all inner mirror
beefs feel silly. Why would I spend my last moments
fighting with me? You turn into an anthropologist. Your conservation
season is behind you. Activism is for the younger means,
I've already enjoyed my low dropping in that back this
thing up with love. On the break of extinction, loneliness
(18:08):
finds the strangest source of comfort reflection regret reimagining. From
the break of extinction, your concerns have a yard sell.
You decide what is reserved for your loved ones, and
what can be given or thrown away? What is heirlooms
and heritage? What is herety and hearsay? And which to
theeds matter most?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
And why am I comparator too? You can have it all.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
On the break of extinction, you embrace the ever climbing
spirally circle.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Soon you'll become all that follows. You'll become what is taken.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You'll finally see clearly nuanced and conundrum how warning and
celebration exists at the same time, and your sense of
wonder and power and curiosity is closed. You've been forced
to be a silver lining hunner, comforter and mascot, last
of and ancestor to The choice is yours and yours alone.
(19:01):
What is valuable enough to pass on? To survey the
wreckage of your own destruction? Salvage what the devastation is
left in its wake, quickly and forcibly developed the wisdom
you may or may not be ready for born alone.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And inspire together.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Direct and console release and reinvest prepare perpetuate since propriation
is out the question. Because some outside force, some heartless
colonial or perialistic parasite, concerned only with their own posterity, pushed.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You to the break of its stitch.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You are made to let go of what was and
embrace what will be.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Who needs lug at your paradise? Who needs you luggage
your paradise
Media ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is a tap in that is a very special
tap in one because you finally get to hear Matt
Awsowski's voice speak a moment.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Matt, Hello, how's it going?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Happy to be here?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He sounds black, don't he?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
He used to be on a radio somewhere.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I have heard that I have a voice for radio
in the past, ye, but I've never believed it.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You have an NPR voice, PBS voice.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, just in time for their defunding. I'm really pleased.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I thought you were going to say something like make
sure you support public radio, and.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Don't you don't make sure you support public radio? Yeah,
and also cools on media.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Absolutely, which is kind of what brings us here today
speaking of the ending of public radio. So, uh, these
next ten or so episodes, these next ten or so
tap ins will be with me and Matt and they
are about a poetry record we put together and are
(01:19):
putting out called The Endling and it is totally produced
by Matt and it's as my first full poetry album.
So first, let me tell you what an endling is
and then get into like, what's Matt, what your initial
thoughts are? And then we'll just talk about the first
(01:43):
track and then we'll play the first track. You guys
with that perfect So honestly I got the term endling
from a Radio Lab episode which at some point I'm
gonna send them this album because I had never heard
of what this was until this episode. And the premise
is they were asking about like the extinction of the
(02:06):
dinosaurs and if there was a name for that last
dinosaur before they were all going to go extinct, like
kind of sad, like, is there is there something we
call that? And then they go, well, actually we have
a story about it. He not radio Labs set up,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Uh, and.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You're listening to w n y z uh anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Amazing sound design, amazing sound design.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So then they interview this this guy who kind of
asked the same question, who lived in a uh you know,
old folks like you know, help help home.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I can't even think of a word of it, uh.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
But he was essentially all of his siblings are passed,
he has no kids, and he's it in his family
and he kind of wondered, He's like, yeah, I guess
my family line is about to go instinct and he
just kind of wondered, Yo, I wonder if there's a
word for that, for the last of a thing before
it goes extinct. So they write, so the people that
(03:10):
work there right into Nature, which is a magazine or
a periodical, right to be like, yo, is there a
word for that? And there was a bunch of different suggestions,
but they landed on the term endling, right, And where
they came up with that is like, okay, well like
a foundling or like a young ling, you know what
I'm saying. Like, so that's kind of where they came
(03:32):
up with, like the endling, right, And so the endling
is again the last of a living species before it
goes e'stinct. But that's not where the story ends because
what we learn is a lot of the traits live
on in its closely related genus.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
So the animal picks up, you know, if we're talking
about an animal whatever, it picks up some of the
best practices from species that when it's stinked.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Right, Because if you step back for.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
A second, there are such things as chickens, and chickens
are like we know the descendant of dinosaurs, right, there
are things about the human species, you know, knowing that
at some point there were six versions, right, one of
which the Neanderthals.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Like, we still get a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
From them, like things like being colorblind or some of
the audio autoimmune diseases.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
They come from Neanderthals, right.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But at the end of the day, like even if
you think about your uncle or your aunt that like,
you know, passed away and didn't have no kids, I'm
pretty sure there's a lot of sayings.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
That still stick around.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
There was a lady in our family who passed away, Olga,
who used to say stuff like trochimochi all the time.
And what she was trying to say is like, if
you do something sloppy, right, it's like, oh, you did
it all thro chimochi. I tell my children that. So
I'm like, hey, you made your bed, I'll throw chimochi.
So I'm like, oga lives on, you know, she just
lives on in a different way. So I say that
(05:09):
to say, the term endling inside of any sort of
definition always have an asterisk next to it, because what
they're trying to say is like nothing ever actually goes extinct,
It just lives on in other ways. So for me,
I was like, oh, this is poetry, right, what that
(05:32):
has to do with her politics is I mean gestures wildly,
like look around with where we are as a culture,
as a country. I think Matt and I are of
the generation of like we're the last ones who played
outside without push notifications, like none of you will know
(05:54):
a life without the Internet, like we're it, you know,
saying to have our our and it's an interesting thing.
And then the more we look at politics and stuff
like that, like it's it's the end of an era,
like there, you know, the post Cold War, post Cold Wars,
that era is done. You know, like this man is
(06:15):
kicking it with Russia, like it's you know, saying like
this is a new time. You feel me, like American fascism,
like like this there we are living at the end
of something. But like we said, nothing truly goes extinct.
So my thought from a creative standpoint is like, okay,
(06:36):
so if we know this is what's going on, then.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Maybe we can curate the things that we pass on.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Maybe we can be more purposeful and in a lot
of ways, Look, this is the vision of cool zone media.
Like you know what I'm saying, It's like, all right,
we're seeing we're seeing society collapse, like you know, but
like what is salvageable?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
What can and live on?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
What?
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And how do we what do we hope the future
learns from us?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
You know, So that's kind of the idea of the
poetry of the Endling beautiful?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, what resonated with you? Met? Well?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think all of this stuff, you know. The question
I was going to ask is how did this idea
lead you to writing poetry about it? But that was
self evident in what you just described. It's like that,
you know, the track that we're going to talk about
next week. You say history can only be understood through poetry,
which I think is there's a lot to unpack there
that's really interesting. But like in the context of civilization,
(07:34):
it's you know, civilizations seem to run in this cyclical pattern.
You know, anyone who studies history will tell you this.
I think the question is is this a natural phenomenon
or is there something consciously do to shift the collapses?
Or do we even want to you know, like in
the sense of like our society is this the ultimate
form of society? Is our world the best that it
(07:57):
can be? Yeah, it feels like sometimes you need some
form of collapse in order to rebuild, and there's certainly
lots of rebuilding that needs to happen in terms of
the general structure of not even American society, but I
feel like the world society at large. And my hope
is that the collapse destroys certain power structures but reawakens
(08:17):
the earth conscious spirits of people. And I think that's
the poetic side of it. You know, you care for
each other and the planet in which we exist, but
also come from. And so I think what's most interesting
about this poem to me, there's so much but like
the approach to like, so I started out with the
sort of wind sound to accompany your poetry, to kind
(08:41):
of set the stage, because I wanted to feel like
we were standing at the edge of this precipice, because
that's kind of what it feels like every day just
watching the news or going out about our business in
the world, and then bringing in the music to create
this sense of growing urgency. But then this urgency and
looking into this precipice, then you describing the poetry creates
(09:04):
this also this self reflection, and so it's like this
mirror of these two sides. Yeah, I guess my question
(09:26):
for you, and that is reflection itself seems to be
a big theme in this poem. Yeah, what is it
about looking into the face of change or mortality or
extinction that makes us look inward?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, dude, I think a great question. I think the
idea is like is one you know, the episode that
dropped this week on the main feed was like you know,
the flag can't get me reader.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, I'm saying it as morad as an angle wood.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So it's like it's when you're in the find out phase,
like we're already here, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You have to accept it.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Right that that there's no longer now there's no question
as to like where it's going, like we know where
it's going, you feel me. So at that point you're like,
all right, well your only choice. I feel like you're
only it seems like the natural thing is to think, yo,
(10:21):
how do we get here?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right? And then like what do I value now? Like
what still matters to me? You know?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I think that that's what this poem was about.
Like if I'm thinking, Okay, this is it, like you know,
it's and I try to start this poem off or
this even this whole album off where it feels like
a death cause it is where it feels dark, you
know what I'm saying, And just like, but a darkness
that you've accepted, like I've accepted that this is where
we are, you feel me, And when you've accepted, you
(10:53):
can truly mourn. But now you can say, Okay, there's
a line in there where it's just like your priorities
have a yard sale to where you're just like, look, dude,
why did this matter so much?
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You feel me?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Uh, my youngest daughter right now or not my youngest,
My otherest daughter had her first experience with the Los
Angeles Toe Trucking Institution in the sense that she blocked
the driveway and they told her car, Yo said, And
then she ain't get there in time, so it had
(11:26):
to stay overnight. You know what I'm saying, is this
the ticket and the toe service and the impounding for
the night. I'm like, this a four hundred dollars lesson
for you, you feel me, and which would have been
fine had she not decided to go out every night
last week, YO said. So when you looking at that
(11:47):
four hundred dollar ticket, you start thinking about that extra
Wuaki ordered last week. You feel me like you start
thinking about like, did I really did I really? Did
we need to go? Did we need to go get
them some every night? Could I have stayed home?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And it's just like, man, what was my priorities? Why
was that so important to me? Why was it so
important to me that we went out every night? You
know what I'm saying. And then, and I'm not saying
that that's wrong. She enjoyed herself. Maybe she lived a
great life. You know, maybe it's like maybe the lesson
is like, no, it's fine. It's like, we're out of money,
(12:23):
but I spent my money on joy.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
But think about it. I don't know, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So at the brink of extinction, you're like, Okay, was
it so important that I saved money for a rainy
data never came? We're gonna die anyway, you know what
I'm saying. Was you know, why was I of arguing
with that person on the internet? We was gonna die anyway?
You feel me Like, so, I don't know, you know
what I mean. So that's why I was like, dude,
(12:50):
these are the things I wonder what the things you
think about when you realize you're finna go extinct, certainly.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, I mean it's I can't see how it wouldn't
cause you to look inward in that way.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
You know.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
It's just everything is stripped away, every every excuse you
can make is no longer valid. It's just like, okay,
what is going on?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
So then I guess do you think in that sense
that self reflection is the key to building this better
world or helping to shift the way in which this
extinction is happening.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I feel like that's the journey.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's the journey of the project, is like, Okay, here's
where we are. You know, if I do I'm like,
if I have a choice as to what gets passed on,
what would I want?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
If I know, I'm a die.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Out, Like what we're what we got, Like there's no
reason to try to like hold on to something that's gone,
you know. So that I guess it's the key. But
like I don't know, you know what I mean? And
I think that that's the Like I said, that's the
journey of the project, is the exploration of that, Like
as I'm looking at us saying we're gonna lose our country,
(14:01):
We're gonna lose democracy, We're gonna lose this, It's like, Okay,
did we ever have it? You know what I'm saying, like,
you know, just just what are those questions? Because at
any time I hear that stuff, I still think I'm
still hearing it in a black body, you know, we
still have you know, hell Margaret, you know, in a
trans body. Like when you start thinking about those situations,
(14:22):
it's like, I mean, what are we saving here?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You know what I'm saying, Like, what what is it?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
You know?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And maybe if there is something there, that's the exploration.
But if there's going to be a T three version,
you know, a T three thousand, like the next version
of us, what would I hope it picks up? And
what do I hope it learns to not be you
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Don't do this?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You know what I mean? Yes, that is absolutely a
question worth pondering because it's it's not a simple answer.
I don't think yeah, But at the same time, it
is right, what are yeah, what are the aspects of
our culture that we would want to survive? Oh?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I mean I like snacks, I really like snacks.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I like uh, I like that I can go outside
and breathe the air.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I do like breatheable air.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I do like, I do like the fact that we
can do this in two different states, like there there
are things.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Oh yeah, without the Internet, we would not be working
together in this capacity, no way. So that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Well, let's play the track before this gets too long.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah, because we could go on for a while and
there's plenty of other tracks to talk about, and we
can develop this conversation as we go.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Yep, all right, tap in bringing the distinction, M bring
(16:10):
the brink of extinction.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You know, your awareness of urgency finally finds its focus,
and you see no point in being angry about the past,
and the future ain't even got you in its plans,
at least in its current form. All there is is
this now, just a couple more nows, and you notice
the sweet taste of now which has eluded.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
You the whole time.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
On the brink of extinction, your definition of family stretches,
priorities find their final form, Your palate becomes refined and
child like, and the somalia of fine whiskeys and fried.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Foods, corn serve and pain.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
And you know what, the best cup of anything you
ever had is that one that's in your.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Hand on the brink of extinctions.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
On the brink of extinction, the songs and your fore mothers,
which once produced the most diffy of eye rolls, take
center stage and receive their lifetime Achievement awards, and you
remember that they have been a warm blanket and north
star for all of your wanderlust. You start emptying your
draft folder, not on some sports earth because that we
(17:22):
already have nah, on some mass deletion, because who needs
luggage and paradise?
Speaker 1 (17:29):
That's a bar who needs luggage to paradise? Who needs
luggage to paradise? Who needs luggage to Paradise?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Who needs luggy to paradise? Who needs luggage and paradise? Parady?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
You're on the brink of extinction.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Forgiveness feels as involuntary is breathing, and all inner mirror
beefs feel silly. Why would I spend my last moments
fighting with me? You turn into an anthropologist. Your conservation
season is behind you. Activism is for the younger means,
I've already enjoyed my low dropping in that back this
thing up with love. On the break of extinction, loneliness
(18:08):
finds the strangest source of comfort reflection regret reimagining. From
the break of extinction, your concerns have a yard sell.
You decide what is reserved for your loved ones, and
what can be given or thrown away? What is heirlooms
and heritage? What is herety and hearsay? And which to
theeds matter most?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
And why am I comparator too? You can have it all.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
On the break of extinction, you embrace the ever climbing
spirally circle.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Soon you'll become all that follows. You'll become what is taken.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You'll finally see clearly nuanced and conundrum how warning and
celebration exists at the same time, and your sense of
wonder and power and curiosity is closed. You've been forced
to be a silver lining hunner, comforter and mascot, last
of and ancestor to The choice is yours and yours alone.
(19:01):
What is valuable enough to pass on? To survey the
wreckage of your own destruction? Salvage what the devastation is
left in its wake, quickly and forcibly developed the wisdom
you may or may not be ready for born alone.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
And inspire together.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Direct and console release and reinvest prepare perpetuate since propriation
is out the question. Because some outside force, some heartless
colonial or perialistic parasite, concerned only with their own posterity, pushed.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
You to the break of its stitch.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You are made to let go of what was and
embrace what will be.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Who needs lug at your paradise? Who needs you luggage
your paradise
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