October 29, 2025 • 41 mins
In what I truly thought was an AI image, the East Wing of the White House is being torn down. I wasn't sure if I cared or not. But the more I thought about it, the more it reminded me of the days of the innocent internet, you know, the debate over whether that dress what blue and black or white and gold.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
As media. All right, I had a thought, Okay, go ahead,
get your jokes off.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, oh you had a thought, Wow, first time of
your life, a little girl.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And get your jokes off. But it kind of hit
me as I was deciding if I had any spare
you know, quote unquote because my mama listens to the show. Now,
f's to give about the East Wing being tore down.
I'm like, we're not finna have food stamps. This snap
(00:32):
is ending what that ice is still in our streets?
And the funny thing about ice is like you know,
you know the they lower in the standard while accept
pet have except trying to raise the standards of the military.
(00:55):
They was like, look, man, can you run a mile
and a half? And can you do thirty two pushups?
And they can't. I am proud to say I can
do thirty two, No, thirty two sit ups? Thirty two
situps and I think twenty five push ups something something
bare minimum. If even if you were one week, one
(01:16):
day a week at the gym, but.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Even if you not, obviously.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You also not trying to raid somebody's house and take
they me mall.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
To the break.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You understand what I'm saying. So anyway, I forget what
I was saying. Oh yeah, that there are things that
I care much more about, And I'm like, do I
have any spare Is there any space in the things
that I'm carrying to really care that Trump is tearing
down the East Wing to build a ballroom, Cause I'm like,
(01:52):
I mean he gaudy, like that's what he trying to
make it more lago, Like it's so obvious that's what
he's trying to do, whether it's legal or not.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I feel like that ship is sailed.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
He has taught us, he has trained us to not
even ask that question whether it's legal or not, because
most of the time, nigga know it's not, or it's
just the law of first move.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Like I haven't even got to the point.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Of this episode yet or even the thought, because I
would say, I'm getting to the thought process of how
I got the thought. So one of the things you
learn me being you know, Buck forty five, soaking wet
as a kid, just a big old string being with just.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Not a heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The thing is you just need, especially when you're dealing
with bullies, like you just need to move first so
that there's a chance that you catch them off guard,
like I don't believe with my dad was never about
like you know, never started. Don't let him, you know,
if he throw the first punch, you know, like you
(03:05):
don't ever throw the first punch. If he throw the
first punch, you defend yourself. That's my dad was staying
like me, He was like, somebody throw that first punch.
That might be it what I'm saying, like it might
be lights out. You don't let nobody hit you first's
wrong with you? So to that point, you know, obviously
like another one the other folks you to say, is
a good run beats a bad stand any day, But
(03:27):
like shout out past the Daylan mccampbell, that's where I
got that from.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Uh, but.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
He say you, But what I'm saying is like, if
you square up first, you take off first, even if
it's a matter of just threading threat, the threat of
the fact that like I'm gonna have to make you respond.
And oftentimes you know, you heard the phrase like ask
(03:55):
it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Is like
y'all gonna have to catch up, you feel me, And
that's kind of how Trump moves.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
He's like, you got to keep up with him. Like
if you not, if.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You're not keeping up with him, you know, you got
to get on and get down. You understand what I'm saying. Like,
so he makes he moves first, and when you move first,
it's the type of confidence that keeps the other person
on foot. And now you're the Poindexter point in your car.
I don't think he can do that. Can he do that?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's not how he work. He just do it. And
it's like, I I mean, Dary, just try to stop me.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So so what I'm saying is it's the law first move,
you know, it's it's when you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Do that a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That's why we say how we drive in LA, it's
like you have to drive offensively, like no, I'm making
the move like confident. This is what I'm doing, y'all
look it out the way, yo. So that's how you work.
He just like, yeah, I'm an tear it down. It's like, nigga,
can you do that? I mean, what you're gonna say
now it is already down, Like I mean, what did
(04:56):
you pull permits? I mean, I don't know. Nobody like
pulling permits. But the what I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Make is.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He'dn't already done it. He said he'd gonna do it,
and he'd do it. My question is, do I care
care enough to do a whole episode about it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And here's the thought.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I feel like this might be the blue or gold
dress of the president's moves hood politics, y'all. Okay, this
(05:42):
seems like simultaneously last week and last century, that moment,
in the height of the innocence of Twitter. I feel
like it's before the Internet died. I mean, you had.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Listicals on BuzzFeed.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
People were sharing I'm all greg videos just this innocent
all right, where the hottest discussion on our social media
was what color is this dress? And it was It's
(06:27):
truly just a trick of light, you know what I'm saying.
It just depended on which angle you took the picture.
It made the color. It's just it's a really normal
thing that happens with optics and light. But it just
it broke the Internet as to like people were writing blogs,
(06:48):
y'all remember, oh man, I remember blogs? God damp anyways,
look at me, look at me, strange reminiscing about the
the mid the mid aughts Internet. Anyway, that moment was
very much you saw what you believed. You saw, and
(07:13):
you are going to interpret what you saw based on
what you already believed. I wrote, speaking of blogs, uh,
this article for Preemptive Love Collige, and I don't think
it's up now, but it was the I believe it
was the first pre Trump. It was the first Trump era.
There was a like pro lifelike rally on the steps
(07:38):
of the Capitol, and this little boy was photoed staring
down this this like elder indigenous person that was like
singing and playing drums and and and the little boy
had this little smirk on his face that when you
look at the still it was, it invoked for me
(08:02):
to the point it invoked for me this ambiguity that
when left unchecked, it turns into the young Republicans group chat.
What I mean by it is this the smirk is
I'm only calling it a smirk because that's what I
(08:24):
saw in that he might have just been smiling. He
wasn't saying anything. He was standing there while this native
man was playing his music. It's a very very visceral image.
And I remember writing like, you saw what you already believed,
(08:45):
and this image affirmed it. So that little boy was
taken onto some Fox News about him being a hero
and this old this grown man was staring down this child.
He's a child, you know, and he wasn't saying anything.
He wasn't bothering you, he wasn't touching you. But how
(09:07):
do you how are you the one that feels that
you were being accosted by him? So they talked about
how this little boy was a hero and just like, man,
you didn't back down when that old man was looking
at you. That. Now, that's because you already believed that,
because that's we weren't there you just looking at this image.
(09:30):
The other side of that was what I saw, which
was I know that smirk. That smirk reminds me of
them little punk ass racist kids that when we moved
to the Inland Empire, these little white boys I had
to deal with because yes, technically he's not touching me.
(09:53):
He could they they could always go back in to say,
but what did I do?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It was just a joke. Come on, We're just kids.
It was just a joke. Why did you feel Why
did you feel intimidated?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Maybe maybe you're the racist one?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Right, So.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
We as as people of colored, what is being said
to us without being said is to tone down, turn
it down, don't express yourself, because when you express yourself,
it's something that either A I can laugh at.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Or B can shame you without using words you like.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I feel like every woman knows that every cis gendered
woman or a heterosexual woman, or yeah even not even
hetero sexually, any just girl who had to deal with cisgendered.
Hetero males know that smirk. They know that I didn't
say anything. Come on, girl, why are you mad? You
know that look and it's and it's its power is
(10:57):
in its ambiguity. You feel me, And I mean I
don't even have to explain. I mean, I feel like
I don't have to explain that because again, ladies, you've
just existed in public. Some dude that said a word
to you like this, some dude has gave you that
(11:19):
that smirk, the smirk that you like. Sometimes I should
just I should just slap the shit out of you,
just so you don't look at nobody else like that. Again.
So the point I'm trying to make is, like I know,
in my life, if that would have happened, that smirk
(11:40):
that I'm talking about, that I remember vividly. I can't
even remember the boy's name, A couple of the boys names.
They used to do that, and like a part of
me was being afraid of being suspended, getting in trouble,
getting jumped. I was new to the city. I didn't
really live here. You know. It was like, you know,
my sister is so many years apart from me. She
(12:03):
was already in high school at the time, but the
part of the Inland Empire that she went to high
school with was actually had a very robust black community,
you know what I'm saying. I didn't go there. I
was still kind of back and forth between the area
we're from that's talk with all the time, and then
(12:24):
this like middle school space that we were possibly moving to.
Now we had moved there by then, but I still
had a lot of my social network and anyway, it's
not the point. The point is I had all these
things I would consider, you know what I'm saying, like
I would be the one to get suspended. I would
be the one that like I'd have to, you know,
(12:44):
watch myself every day. This wasn't like this is a
different type of thing. It's not street in the sense
that I mean, we understand that, like they bus we
bus if you scrap like that, Like is there's a
little bit of respect that comes with being able to
like I'll break your face with a lunch trade, Like
there's a space for that that is sort of understood.
(13:05):
This there was a race power dynamic that I was
very inexperienced and I had never been in a situation
like this where I was like, I mean these are
like this is like Doc Martin's skinhead white shirt, you know,
suspenders like era, you know what I mean. Like, so
I'm like, I am, I feel like I'm on another
(13:29):
planet right now. So I know, but I know this smirk.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I did that whole diversion or yeah, side quest to
explain that I brought all that to that image. So
when I looked at that image, I was seeing decades
of these little quasi cute, overly protected, privileged little white
(13:56):
boys that get away with stuff that I could never
get away with. And the fact that he didn't feel
any sort of way to see an elder and give
that elder the type of respect that seems so intuitive
to me. But millions of people didn't see that. Millions
(14:18):
of people just saw he's a little boy, he has
a little smile on his face and not frowning at you.
He's not saying anything. He's just standing there. Yeah, blue dress.
Was it a blue dress or is it a gold dress?
What you think about this East Wing? Let me make
a case for both next Ira back, So the facts
(15:12):
as they stand can kind of go like this. But
Trump said, you know, I wanted to, and he's wanted
two for years, build a ballroom at the White House.
And he also wants to do some sort of triumphant march.
Because I mean, okay, let me stick with the facts,
because I'm about to tell you what I see with this.
(15:34):
You could obviously you know what I see there. But
so he wants to build this triumphant march arch. He
wants to do this ballroom in the East wing. Now
out of his mouth, he said he's not going to
tear down any of the existing White House things. So
apparently off camera, offline, we didn't see none of this happened.
They went through, crunched the numbers, and it was like, look,
(15:59):
it would be way more expensive to leave this thing
here and try to figure out an addition, right, It
would be much more cost efficient to just tear the
thing down and build something new. Now. The East Wing
only goes back to like nineteen hundred, like an earlier thing.
(16:21):
It was an addition to the White House that we
all know of. We all know of the West Wing.
Ain't no movies about the East Wing. I've been to
the East Wing, which you could still say you've been
to the White House, you know what I'm saying. I
had a meeting there with my homie, Derek Minor about
finding financial support for black small businesses. This is a
really dope program. Like I say in the lyrics, I
(16:42):
ain't never been no online contest, I ain't never won
no online contests. But I spoke at to Congress. Okay.
So it was with the Better Business Bureau and the
SBA had Small Business Association anyway, meeting with them anyway.
So over on that side there's like a place for
like if you're gonna have dinners the stenographers there. There's
(17:05):
a couple offices. Usually the first lady had our office
over there, and we met in this just like just
fancy meeting room. Right, there's just a bunch of offices,
you know. Really, the the White House in some ways
is because you don't get to see the part they
live in. You know what I'm saying, It's like it's
still it's still just a government building. Now I want
(17:26):
to get into the conceptual stuff. I'm just stick to
stick to the facts prop so, so there's really not
much going on there. But it was an addition that
at this point is over one hundred years old, right,
And y'all remember keep in mind, like the White House
has been it burnt down once, you know, it was rebuilt.
It was the last big renovation was in the during
(17:51):
the Truman which is like one of the funnier ones.
Like Truman was in the tub and he felt the
floor kind of getting shaky while that. While that was happening,
and his lady was his wife was downstairs entertaining guests.
They said the chandelier was rocking. It was a time
where somebody put their foot through the through the floor
and it poked through the roof, like the mug was
(18:11):
falling apart. So he was talking about he's talking about
he was in the bath and he was like, man,
I would have really ruined her party if he'd have
fell down through the path. So in that scenario, obviously
like okay, man, you got to fix the White House
like I understand, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That that's but like I said, but the east wing
was added later. So obviously it is just a structure
and it needs renovations. Sometimes, it needs additions, it needs fixings,
you know what I'm saying. And every president is in
some way, you know, taken on parts of this. Now,
(18:51):
what Trump did for this one was, like I said,
it it is you go dress or blue dress. It
seems to be a legacy project, like a pet project,
you know what I'm saying. So because of that, since
there's no real it's that there's no damage to the building.
The building's fine. He just wants to make it better.
(19:12):
He tapped this lady, old Rouric who was there Trump
twenty twenty four, like fundraiser leader right to get people
in here to hold a dinner to raise money to
build this thing, you know, so he could tap his daughter,
you know, Vodka and Krishner and just all these different
people to be like, yo, come come help me pay
(19:33):
for this. You know it's gonna be dope, right, And
he raised the money through that to get this thing done.
And since it's again I'm just trying to stick to
the facts, since it's not the rules around historic preservation
buildings don't really apply to the White House. I know,
(19:56):
crazy that sounds, but they just don't. And what the
permits you pull are technically about construction, not destruction. It's
silly to say something like that, but actually, you know
what I'm saying. It's just something that, like again, sticking
(20:19):
to the facts just looks illegal, Like it just looks
like you shouldn't just be able to tear down the
White House because again, factually that's not your house. You
you don't really you don't really live here. You just
you don't really live here, unless, of course, like I said,
he's planning to die there. That man is not leave anyway,
(20:45):
So this is just what it is, right, he's building
a ball. So my question, like I said, was like
I don't I kind of don't care, right, I'm like,
there are so many other things that I should be
worried about, which made me go, maybe I maybe I
do care because I probably had the same visceral sort
(21:09):
of like pearl clutching, not even in a pejorative way,
but just like for real, like this like pearl clutching
response to seeing the image of the bulldozers at the
White house. I thought it was ai, I ain't gonna
hold you. I was like, there's no way that this
is Let me wait a second. Then we practiced some
media literacy and just be like, uh, oh my.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
God, look at this.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And you also don't want to be Now this is
me playing keeping it cool like I I'm I'm stepping
in here like I personally don't want to just you know, like,
oh oh did you see what he did? Cause it's
if you just if you just always that you feel me,
you gonna exhaust yourself. And like I said, demand trained
us like this isn't a trump stand, like I'm not,
(21:51):
this is not my show, Like it's about all of
the stuff. So I can't just be like that about everything.
So I honestly I wasn't no cover or I was
gonna just gonna talk about untapping it because I was
just like, man, whatever, bro, I don't really think I
truly care. But then that made me say, well, that
is actually a position because of the things that I
do care about. I do care about the fact that
(22:13):
like air traffic controllers aren't being paid, like the planes
is finna stop flying you asking people to go to
work for free. Meanwhile, we're about to lose our healthcare.
You don't see the optics in this. So then I
was like, Okay, I see the two different views here,
(22:34):
and I think this is interesting. Let's talk about one side.
So on one hand, it's exactly what I'm saying. You've
(22:58):
put the military, the National Guard in American cities. You
looked at the military and said, I want you to
practice your expertise in insurgencies and fighting insurgencies in America,
Like that's what I want you to do. You're hiring
(23:18):
dudes that can't do can't do fifteen pushups to go
attack somebody's grandma on her way home from going to
her immigration meeting. So you finding people that are trying
to actually do the right thing and still doing this
to them, stopping somebody and punishing and locking them up
(23:40):
because they didn't have a papers, Like show me your papers. Boy,
You're like this, there is chaos in our streets. BB
played you like a fiddle, cause like you really thought
you made piece in the It'll east my nigga, Like
dumb is a.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Bag of rocks.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
But you just want to act like gold Member and
just spray gold over the shit. They's so what the
what are you doing your own base? The farmers that
you duped in the listening to you, you about to
end they subsidies, They farms are dying. Which as a
(24:23):
side note, y'all remember the Black ag episode when we
talked about how the FDA and you know, the the
body that distributes funds and aids to the agricultural community
of the country, how they weren't giving loans to black
ones when we talked about that, and that he was
(24:45):
suing them. So it's funny, how now who got their
hands out? You didn't already told black folks, no digitous
folks know, you already told us we can't get the load.
So we had to figure it out ourselves. Now the
people that was getting your hand is like where my handouts?
It's it's my how the tables have techniques twelve hundred.
(25:07):
So anyway, it's just as bonkers to me. How metaphorical?
That's what I'm saying, is like you're looking at that
like this is personification, this is it's poetry, this is
a meta this is what you do. You're tearing it down.
You didn't already aired out the damn Supreme Court. You
(25:31):
already talking about birthright sentences. Ship my god, you this
is what you're doing to America. Like you're looking at
this picture, You're like, yeah, that's what he did. You
feel me like, You're like, this is the You're literally
tearing down our institutions, right, And how you did it was, Paola,
(25:53):
you have funders come do this?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Who are the funders? Are them?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Funders are people that are gonna be able to get
favors from you because they pay for your little funky
ass Like so I was like, okay, maybe there is
a thought here, right, like are you serious?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Pro He's serious? This is what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And then if you already don't like his style, like
I don't know if you've ever been to any of
the golf courses, any of the hotels or the Trump thing.
I just look like a baroque like kind of victorian.
Just this just the oddest looking, just gaudy gold member.
He's already spraying gold shit Like just if you already
(26:36):
don't like the aesthetic, you like man, you feel like
and if you was one of them people that was
just thinking again, I'm just expressing one of the views.
If you was one of people I was thinking, like, yo,
if we could just get through it, like, let's just
get through this just grit, Like maybe we'll be able
to put.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
The house back together again.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Maybe we'll be able to just just like what he's
the institutions have like not crumpled completely. You know, there's
mid terms, Like at some point he's gonna have to
leave the office. You know what I'm saying, Like if
we get our shit together, if we just we just
grid our teeth and just like you know, thug it out,
(27:17):
like we'll be all right. None of this shit is
permanent until you look at the fact that the building's gone,
and just as a metaphor of like this Nigga broke it,
we will never end the building we're gonna get we
gonna never get rid of that are what are we
gonna tear it down and build another one? Like I
don't want to get in that cycle.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You have just.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Metaphor just just physically manifested. The way we feel about
your presidency is that we'll never We're stuck with this.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And Nigga is not your house. You are a renter.
What do you what the.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You got your crony boys, We already know you done
already sold out to the oligarchs. Now them niggas got
you in they pocket even more like, don't you think
you playing them? Nigga, ain't playing you? Like I don't
understand for somebody who swear the king of the deal.
Somebody that swear he the most, he the smoothest hustler.
Somebody swear he got the silver his tongue. Nigga, ain't
(28:23):
playing you. You can't.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You can't tell they playing you, right? You just like power.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You just want somebody to tell your shit don't stink
and then pay for the shit you want to pay
for get you want you love Steven You even making
jokes about Steven Miller, how like we don't really want
him to say what he really think?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Good?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Good because you know the nigga a Nazi like you're
white supremicist head ass.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You know it? That man playing you.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
The Project twenty twenty five people, they playing you out
your mouth. You ain't no damn Christian, you know that.
I'm just saying these people gonna won't they favors back?
Maybe you cool with it. I'm just saying, now we
(29:16):
stuck with it. That might be the blue dress. Now
if you see the gold dress next, all right, now
(29:54):
you're looking at this thing, you might see the total opposite.
You may look at somebody that's saying, like, bro, like
you about to the snap and all of a sudden,
you got the money to do this, and they're like,
maybe you see the goal side. You like, oh, he
fundraised for that. That's not taxpayer's money. And if somebody
(30:14):
want to do a pet project, they should pay for it.
I don't see the problem he paid. He's paying for
it himself, and donors believe in him, and he did
what he did. He's not touching the taxpayer's money. Matter.
In fact, the taxpayer's money that's tied up because of
the Democrats. I'm trying to get these people paid. I
don't already, he don't already call You might be like,
(30:35):
he don't already co mingled funds to make sure some
of the military folk getting paid. Now, the air traffic
controllers are all mean. I can only co mingle so much.
Tell the Democrats to like stop. You know what I'm saying.
I told him we'll talk about all the Medicare and
Medicaid stuff. After I said let's talk about it, I'm
not saying I'm not gonna do it. I'm just saying, like,
let's get the thing done so we get paid and
(30:56):
then we'll figure out the other stuff later. That's all
I'm trying to say. Again, I'm arguing day position, and
they like, Yo, he's got towers and buildings everywhere. I mean,
isn't that what we wanted? We wanted to do that
new business. That know, that's what he do. He do
real estate, Like, that's what he do. The man crunched
(31:17):
the numbers. He said he wasn't gonna tear it down.
Then he looked at the numbers and was like, you
know what, it's actually cheaper to tear it down. And besides,
what's wallowing a renovation? Every president does it. Only difference
is I'm paying for it myself. I don't understand why
y'all mad at me. You get over here and hug me,
not making you pay for it? Shit? And yes, like
(31:39):
that's how donations work. People do stuff and in return
they get access.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
What the planet? What planet you live on?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's so normal? What are you talking about? I think
it's great. No, you ever been to Versailles, my nigga?
You ever been to you know? You go to the
hall you Buckingham palace, cause like you ever go like
them things is beautiful, homie, Like we out here slumming it?
What's wrong with us like doing that? And they're also
(32:10):
again putting on the view. Also, if you see the
gold dress, you might look at that and say that
destruction of those buildings, of that building is beautiful. I
wrote a whole poetry book and a set of albums
called Terraform, building a livable world, and sometimes to build,
(32:31):
actually every time to build, you have to have a
controlled demolition. You gotta tear it down. They may see
that as a beautiful metaphor of the destruction of a
something of an era far gone, a moment that needs
that we need to let go of. We need to
stop being so precious about these institutions that have not
(32:53):
served us all. I think this is a metaphor. I'm saying,
if you see the gold side, you're damn right, that's
a metaphor. Trump and his legacy will stay with us
forever because what did he do. He tore down a
system that wasn't working, and now he's about to build
a beautiful one, and we will have him to thank forever.
(33:19):
I'm just that's one way to look at it right,
and yeah, like why would we not want to be
in good graces with the wealthiest humans on earth? That's
just logical, Like why would I not want to be
good with them? They got all the money, and hey,
(33:39):
once again, they're kind of paying for it. So this
way he did, he tapped his own resources, he tapped
his own network, and he's doing what he do best.
He's not even touching the American money for that. That's
not even their funds. And you're gonna love it, like
you get to keep it. Like it's not like I
get to take it home with me, like you get
to keep it. It'd be different if I was building
(34:00):
building from our own house, y'all can take Like you're welcome, everybody,
go take pictures at the arch in New York City.
Y'all don't want one to DC. I want to stand
the problem. You've been in a Washington monument. It's just
it's an opulous, it's just from it's just a Egyptian
stick of like what the I feel like I'm trying
(34:24):
to help y'all. That's if you see the go address.
But I think the point I'm trying to make is
ultimately this is a metaphor of where our politics are.
We kind of already see what we already believe to
be true when we're looking at these things. So the
(34:45):
leading question for me is do I actually care at
all about the East Wing being destroyed? And in terms
should you care? I actually don't have an answer for you.
(35:08):
What I care about is what this says about us.
What I care about is does any of our protests
even matter if we're not going to do a collective
strike or a general strike.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
If we win, or if the the.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Congress gets a little more even doubt, are we really
going to pass laws that are going to liberate our people?
I what is going to break this death grip that
capitalism has on our Like just this show, this type
(36:00):
of capitalism that is just listen, guys, I obviously sell
things that is called commerce, okay, the but this institution
that is just funneling every possible scent up to the
top in a way that is got us squawking like
(36:23):
the dog on baby swallows, just waiting for these rich
folks to chew a worm and spit it out into
our mouths, Like, yo, what is we doing? I am
not at any point gonna go on a.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Recreational tour through the East Wing.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I'm still keeping in the back of my head that
slaves built the White House is so like do I
I mean, I don't what do I care? I mean,
I'm all out of pearl clutches with Trump himself. That's not.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I don't know. I'll tell you what I do know.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I gotta I mean, Cali, I got a vote on
Prop fifty. If we're gonna Jerrymander, if we're gonna Jerry
tactically Jerrymander. You know when somebody you know what I'm saying,
walk into the lunch room and just giggle over your trade,
just trying to decide which snack is gonna take. Reach
in slowly.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Grabs your little.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Carton a pudding that used to give us cartons a pudding,
and just looks at you like you ain't gonna do
shit because you're a good boy. You don't want to
get in trouble. You have a code, so I ain't
gonna do nothing. I'll be back for your carrots and
(38:02):
chocolate milk. Like I said, that little boy was just
standing there smiling. But the areas that I come from,
sometimes you gotta wipe a smile. Off of somebody's face,
not because they did anything, but just so that everybody
(38:28):
watching those don't ever look at me like that. They
need to know you not playing, because if they can
fall back and keep saying, I'm just kidding, it's no
big deal. Why are you looking at it like that,
then they get to start sharing Hitler memes and call
(38:52):
him basketball monkey ball, you know, watermelon eaters. You know
what I'm saying. And did you know there was a
slur called moon crickets. That's because black people would sing
their Negro spirituals at night as we were escaping, you know,
(39:17):
or when we had our church services. We were saying
it would all be at night. It was our only
time to be together. So that's when we started. They
called us moon crickets. Just creative because but it might
be trivial, it might not be trivial. I just maybe
there are some things you should let slide. Maybe there's
some things you shouldn't let slide. I just don't know
(39:39):
if I have a spare f to give, which starting
to think is by design. All right, now, don't you
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Speaker 2 (41:12):
Let nobody lie to you.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
If you understand urban living, you understand politics.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
These people is not smarter than you.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
We'll see y'all next week.
As media. All right, I had a thought, Okay, go ahead,
get your jokes off.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, oh you had a thought, Wow, first time of
your life, a little girl.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And get your jokes off. But it kind of hit
me as I was deciding if I had any spare
you know, quote unquote because my mama listens to the show. Now,
f's to give about the East Wing being tore down.
I'm like, we're not finna have food stamps. This snap
(00:32):
is ending what that ice is still in our streets?
And the funny thing about ice is like you know,
you know the they lower in the standard while accept
pet have except trying to raise the standards of the military.
(00:55):
They was like, look, man, can you run a mile
and a half? And can you do thirty two pushups?
And they can't. I am proud to say I can
do thirty two, No, thirty two sit ups? Thirty two
situps and I think twenty five push ups something something
bare minimum. If even if you were one week, one
(01:16):
day a week at the gym, but.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Even if you not, obviously.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You also not trying to raid somebody's house and take
they me mall.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
To the break.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You understand what I'm saying. So anyway, I forget what
I was saying. Oh yeah, that there are things that
I care much more about, And I'm like, do I
have any spare Is there any space in the things
that I'm carrying to really care that Trump is tearing
down the East Wing to build a ballroom, Cause I'm like,
(01:52):
I mean he gaudy, like that's what he trying to
make it more lago, Like it's so obvious that's what
he's trying to do, whether it's legal or not.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I feel like that ship is sailed.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
He has taught us, he has trained us to not
even ask that question whether it's legal or not, because
most of the time, nigga know it's not, or it's
just the law of first move.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Like I haven't even got to the point.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Of this episode yet or even the thought, because I
would say, I'm getting to the thought process of how
I got the thought. So one of the things you
learn me being you know, Buck forty five, soaking wet
as a kid, just a big old string being with just.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Not a heavyweight.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
The thing is you just need, especially when you're dealing
with bullies, like you just need to move first so
that there's a chance that you catch them off guard,
like I don't believe with my dad was never about
like you know, never started. Don't let him, you know,
if he throw the first punch, you know, like you
(03:05):
don't ever throw the first punch. If he throw the
first punch, you defend yourself. That's my dad was staying
like me, He was like, somebody throw that first punch.
That might be it what I'm saying, like it might
be lights out. You don't let nobody hit you first's
wrong with you? So to that point, you know, obviously
like another one the other folks you to say, is
a good run beats a bad stand any day, But
(03:27):
like shout out past the Daylan mccampbell, that's where I
got that from.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Uh, but.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
He say you, But what I'm saying is like, if
you square up first, you take off first, even if
it's a matter of just threading threat, the threat of
the fact that like I'm gonna have to make you respond.
And oftentimes you know, you heard the phrase like ask
(03:55):
it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Is like
y'all gonna have to catch up, you feel me, And
that's kind of how Trump moves.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
He's like, you got to keep up with him. Like
if you not, if.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
You're not keeping up with him, you know, you got
to get on and get down. You understand what I'm saying. Like,
so he makes he moves first, and when you move first,
it's the type of confidence that keeps the other person
on foot. And now you're the Poindexter point in your car.
I don't think he can do that. Can he do that?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's not how he work. He just do it. And
it's like, I I mean, Dary, just try to stop me.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So so what I'm saying is it's the law first move,
you know, it's it's when you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Do that a lot of times.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That's why we say how we drive in LA, it's
like you have to drive offensively, like no, I'm making
the move like confident. This is what I'm doing, y'all
look it out the way, yo. So that's how you work.
He just like, yeah, I'm an tear it down. It's like, nigga,
can you do that? I mean, what you're gonna say
now it is already down, Like I mean, what did
(04:56):
you pull permits? I mean, I don't know. Nobody like
pulling permits. But the what I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Make is.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
He'dn't already done it. He said he'd gonna do it,
and he'd do it. My question is, do I care
care enough to do a whole episode about it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And here's the thought.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I feel like this might be the blue or gold
dress of the president's moves hood politics, y'all. Okay, this
(05:42):
seems like simultaneously last week and last century, that moment,
in the height of the innocence of Twitter. I feel
like it's before the Internet died. I mean, you had.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Listicals on BuzzFeed.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
People were sharing I'm all greg videos just this innocent
all right, where the hottest discussion on our social media
was what color is this dress? And it was It's
(06:27):
truly just a trick of light, you know what I'm saying.
It just depended on which angle you took the picture.
It made the color. It's just it's a really normal
thing that happens with optics and light. But it just
it broke the Internet as to like people were writing blogs,
(06:48):
y'all remember, oh man, I remember blogs? God damp anyways,
look at me, look at me, strange reminiscing about the
the mid the mid aughts Internet. Anyway, that moment was
very much you saw what you believed. You saw, and
(07:13):
you are going to interpret what you saw based on
what you already believed. I wrote, speaking of blogs, uh,
this article for Preemptive Love Collige, and I don't think
it's up now, but it was the I believe it
was the first pre Trump. It was the first Trump era.
There was a like pro lifelike rally on the steps
(07:38):
of the Capitol, and this little boy was photoed staring
down this this like elder indigenous person that was like
singing and playing drums and and and the little boy
had this little smirk on his face that when you
look at the still it was, it invoked for me
(08:02):
to the point it invoked for me this ambiguity that
when left unchecked, it turns into the young Republicans group chat.
What I mean by it is this the smirk is
I'm only calling it a smirk because that's what I
(08:24):
saw in that he might have just been smiling. He
wasn't saying anything. He was standing there while this native
man was playing his music. It's a very very visceral image.
And I remember writing like, you saw what you already believed,
(08:45):
and this image affirmed it. So that little boy was
taken onto some Fox News about him being a hero
and this old this grown man was staring down this child.
He's a child, you know, and he wasn't saying anything.
He wasn't bothering you, he wasn't touching you. But how
(09:07):
do you how are you the one that feels that
you were being accosted by him? So they talked about
how this little boy was a hero and just like, man,
you didn't back down when that old man was looking
at you. That. Now, that's because you already believed that,
because that's we weren't there you just looking at this image.
(09:30):
The other side of that was what I saw, which
was I know that smirk. That smirk reminds me of
them little punk ass racist kids that when we moved
to the Inland Empire, these little white boys I had
to deal with because yes, technically he's not touching me.
(09:53):
He could they they could always go back in to say,
but what did I do?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
It was just a joke. Come on, We're just kids.
It was just a joke. Why did you feel Why
did you feel intimidated?
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Maybe maybe you're the racist one?
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Right, So.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
We as as people of colored, what is being said
to us without being said is to tone down, turn
it down, don't express yourself, because when you express yourself,
it's something that either A I can laugh at.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Or B can shame you without using words you like.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I feel like every woman knows that every cis gendered
woman or a heterosexual woman, or yeah even not even
hetero sexually, any just girl who had to deal with cisgendered.
Hetero males know that smirk. They know that I didn't
say anything. Come on, girl, why are you mad? You
know that look and it's and it's its power is
(10:57):
in its ambiguity. You feel me, And I mean I
don't even have to explain. I mean, I feel like
I don't have to explain that because again, ladies, you've
just existed in public. Some dude that said a word
to you like this, some dude has gave you that
(11:19):
that smirk, the smirk that you like. Sometimes I should
just I should just slap the shit out of you,
just so you don't look at nobody else like that. Again.
So the point I'm trying to make is, like I know,
in my life, if that would have happened, that smirk
(11:40):
that I'm talking about, that I remember vividly. I can't
even remember the boy's name, A couple of the boys names.
They used to do that, and like a part of
me was being afraid of being suspended, getting in trouble,
getting jumped. I was new to the city. I didn't
really live here. You know. It was like, you know,
my sister is so many years apart from me. She
(12:03):
was already in high school at the time, but the
part of the Inland Empire that she went to high
school with was actually had a very robust black community,
you know what I'm saying. I didn't go there. I
was still kind of back and forth between the area
we're from that's talk with all the time, and then
(12:24):
this like middle school space that we were possibly moving to.
Now we had moved there by then, but I still
had a lot of my social network and anyway, it's
not the point. The point is I had all these
things I would consider, you know what I'm saying, like
I would be the one to get suspended. I would
be the one that like I'd have to, you know,
(12:44):
watch myself every day. This wasn't like this is a
different type of thing. It's not street in the sense
that I mean, we understand that, like they bus we
bus if you scrap like that, Like is there's a
little bit of respect that comes with being able to
like I'll break your face with a lunch trade, Like
there's a space for that that is sort of understood.
(13:05):
This there was a race power dynamic that I was
very inexperienced and I had never been in a situation
like this where I was like, I mean these are
like this is like Doc Martin's skinhead white shirt, you know,
suspenders like era, you know what I mean. Like, so
I'm like, I am, I feel like I'm on another
(13:29):
planet right now. So I know, but I know this smirk.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
All of that.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I did that whole diversion or yeah, side quest to
explain that I brought all that to that image. So
when I looked at that image, I was seeing decades
of these little quasi cute, overly protected, privileged little white
(13:56):
boys that get away with stuff that I could never
get away with. And the fact that he didn't feel
any sort of way to see an elder and give
that elder the type of respect that seems so intuitive
to me. But millions of people didn't see that. Millions
(14:18):
of people just saw he's a little boy, he has
a little smile on his face and not frowning at you.
He's not saying anything. He's just standing there. Yeah, blue dress.
Was it a blue dress or is it a gold dress?
What you think about this East Wing? Let me make
a case for both next Ira back, So the facts
(15:12):
as they stand can kind of go like this. But
Trump said, you know, I wanted to, and he's wanted
two for years, build a ballroom at the White House.
And he also wants to do some sort of triumphant march.
Because I mean, okay, let me stick with the facts,
because I'm about to tell you what I see with this.
(15:34):
You could obviously you know what I see there. But
so he wants to build this triumphant march arch. He
wants to do this ballroom in the East wing. Now
out of his mouth, he said he's not going to
tear down any of the existing White House things. So
apparently off camera, offline, we didn't see none of this happened.
They went through, crunched the numbers, and it was like, look,
(15:59):
it would be way more expensive to leave this thing
here and try to figure out an addition, right, It
would be much more cost efficient to just tear the
thing down and build something new. Now. The East Wing
only goes back to like nineteen hundred, like an earlier thing.
(16:21):
It was an addition to the White House that we
all know of. We all know of the West Wing.
Ain't no movies about the East Wing. I've been to
the East Wing, which you could still say you've been
to the White House, you know what I'm saying. I
had a meeting there with my homie, Derek Minor about
finding financial support for black small businesses. This is a
really dope program. Like I say in the lyrics, I
(16:42):
ain't never been no online contest, I ain't never won
no online contests. But I spoke at to Congress. Okay.
So it was with the Better Business Bureau and the
SBA had Small Business Association anyway, meeting with them anyway.
So over on that side there's like a place for
like if you're gonna have dinners the stenographers there. There's
(17:05):
a couple offices. Usually the first lady had our office
over there, and we met in this just like just
fancy meeting room. Right, there's just a bunch of offices,
you know. Really, the the White House in some ways
is because you don't get to see the part they
live in. You know what I'm saying, It's like it's
still it's still just a government building. Now I want
(17:26):
to get into the conceptual stuff. I'm just stick to
stick to the facts prop so, so there's really not
much going on there. But it was an addition that
at this point is over one hundred years old, right,
And y'all remember keep in mind, like the White House
has been it burnt down once, you know, it was rebuilt.
It was the last big renovation was in the during
(17:51):
the Truman which is like one of the funnier ones.
Like Truman was in the tub and he felt the
floor kind of getting shaky while that. While that was happening,
and his lady was his wife was downstairs entertaining guests.
They said the chandelier was rocking. It was a time
where somebody put their foot through the through the floor
and it poked through the roof, like the mug was
(18:11):
falling apart. So he was talking about he's talking about
he was in the bath and he was like, man,
I would have really ruined her party if he'd have
fell down through the path. So in that scenario, obviously
like okay, man, you got to fix the White House
like I understand, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
That that's but like I said, but the east wing
was added later. So obviously it is just a structure
and it needs renovations. Sometimes, it needs additions, it needs fixings,
you know what I'm saying. And every president is in
some way, you know, taken on parts of this. Now,
(18:51):
what Trump did for this one was, like I said,
it it is you go dress or blue dress. It
seems to be a legacy project, like a pet project,
you know what I'm saying. So because of that, since
there's no real it's that there's no damage to the building.
The building's fine. He just wants to make it better.
(19:12):
He tapped this lady, old Rouric who was there Trump
twenty twenty four, like fundraiser leader right to get people
in here to hold a dinner to raise money to
build this thing, you know, so he could tap his daughter,
you know, Vodka and Krishner and just all these different
people to be like, yo, come come help me pay
(19:33):
for this. You know it's gonna be dope, right, And
he raised the money through that to get this thing done.
And since it's again I'm just trying to stick to
the facts, since it's not the rules around historic preservation
buildings don't really apply to the White House. I know,
(19:56):
crazy that sounds, but they just don't. And what the
permits you pull are technically about construction, not destruction. It's
silly to say something like that, but actually, you know
what I'm saying. It's just something that, like again, sticking
(20:19):
to the facts just looks illegal, Like it just looks
like you shouldn't just be able to tear down the
White House because again, factually that's not your house. You
you don't really you don't really live here. You just
you don't really live here, unless, of course, like I said,
he's planning to die there. That man is not leave anyway,
(20:45):
So this is just what it is, right, he's building
a ball. So my question, like I said, was like
I don't I kind of don't care, right, I'm like,
there are so many other things that I should be
worried about, which made me go, maybe I maybe I
do care because I probably had the same visceral sort
(21:09):
of like pearl clutching, not even in a pejorative way,
but just like for real, like this like pearl clutching
response to seeing the image of the bulldozers at the
White house. I thought it was ai, I ain't gonna
hold you. I was like, there's no way that this
is Let me wait a second. Then we practiced some
media literacy and just be like, uh, oh my.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
God, look at this.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And you also don't want to be Now this is
me playing keeping it cool like I I'm I'm stepping
in here like I personally don't want to just you know, like,
oh oh did you see what he did? Cause it's
if you just if you just always that you feel me,
you gonna exhaust yourself. And like I said, demand trained
us like this isn't a trump stand, like I'm not,
(21:51):
this is not my show, Like it's about all of
the stuff. So I can't just be like that about everything.
So I honestly I wasn't no cover or I was
gonna just gonna talk about untapping it because I was
just like, man, whatever, bro, I don't really think I
truly care. But then that made me say, well, that
is actually a position because of the things that I
do care about. I do care about the fact that
(22:13):
like air traffic controllers aren't being paid, like the planes
is finna stop flying you asking people to go to
work for free. Meanwhile, we're about to lose our healthcare.
You don't see the optics in this. So then I
was like, Okay, I see the two different views here,
(22:34):
and I think this is interesting. Let's talk about one side.
So on one hand, it's exactly what I'm saying. You've
(22:58):
put the military, the National Guard in American cities. You
looked at the military and said, I want you to
practice your expertise in insurgencies and fighting insurgencies in America,
Like that's what I want you to do. You're hiring
(23:18):
dudes that can't do can't do fifteen pushups to go
attack somebody's grandma on her way home from going to
her immigration meeting. So you finding people that are trying
to actually do the right thing and still doing this
to them, stopping somebody and punishing and locking them up
(23:40):
because they didn't have a papers, Like show me your papers. Boy,
You're like this, there is chaos in our streets. BB
played you like a fiddle, cause like you really thought
you made piece in the It'll east my nigga, Like
dumb is a.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Bag of rocks.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
But you just want to act like gold Member and
just spray gold over the shit. They's so what the
what are you doing your own base? The farmers that
you duped in the listening to you, you about to
end they subsidies, They farms are dying. Which as a
(24:23):
side note, y'all remember the Black ag episode when we
talked about how the FDA and you know, the the
body that distributes funds and aids to the agricultural community
of the country, how they weren't giving loans to black
ones when we talked about that, and that he was
(24:45):
suing them. So it's funny, how now who got their
hands out? You didn't already told black folks, no digitous
folks know, you already told us we can't get the load.
So we had to figure it out ourselves. Now the
people that was getting your hand is like where my handouts?
It's it's my how the tables have techniques twelve hundred.
(25:07):
So anyway, it's just as bonkers to me. How metaphorical?
That's what I'm saying, is like you're looking at that
like this is personification, this is it's poetry, this is
a meta this is what you do. You're tearing it down.
You didn't already aired out the damn Supreme Court. You
(25:31):
already talking about birthright sentences. Ship my god, you this
is what you're doing to America. Like you're looking at
this picture, You're like, yeah, that's what he did. You
feel me like, You're like, this is the You're literally
tearing down our institutions, right, And how you did it was, Paola,
(25:53):
you have funders come do this?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Who are the funders? Are them?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Funders are people that are gonna be able to get
favors from you because they pay for your little funky
ass Like so I was like, okay, maybe there is
a thought here, right, like are you serious?
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Pro He's serious? This is what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
And then if you already don't like his style, like
I don't know if you've ever been to any of
the golf courses, any of the hotels or the Trump thing.
I just look like a baroque like kind of victorian.
Just this just the oddest looking, just gaudy gold member.
He's already spraying gold shit Like just if you already
(26:36):
don't like the aesthetic, you like man, you feel like
and if you was one of them people that was
just thinking again, I'm just expressing one of the views.
If you was one of people I was thinking, like, yo,
if we could just get through it, like, let's just
get through this just grit, Like maybe we'll be able
to put.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
The house back together again.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Maybe we'll be able to just just like what he's
the institutions have like not crumpled completely. You know, there's
mid terms, Like at some point he's gonna have to
leave the office. You know what I'm saying, Like if
we get our shit together, if we just we just
grid our teeth and just like you know, thug it out,
(27:17):
like we'll be all right. None of this shit is
permanent until you look at the fact that the building's gone,
and just as a metaphor of like this Nigga broke it,
we will never end the building we're gonna get we
gonna never get rid of that are what are we
gonna tear it down and build another one? Like I
don't want to get in that cycle.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
You have just.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Metaphor just just physically manifested. The way we feel about
your presidency is that we'll never We're stuck with this.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
And Nigga is not your house. You are a renter.
What do you what the.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
You got your crony boys, We already know you done
already sold out to the oligarchs. Now them niggas got
you in they pocket even more like, don't you think
you playing them? Nigga, ain't playing you? Like I don't
understand for somebody who swear the king of the deal.
Somebody that swear he the most, he the smoothest hustler.
Somebody swear he got the silver his tongue. Nigga, ain't
(28:23):
playing you. You can't.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
You can't tell they playing you, right? You just like power.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
You just want somebody to tell your shit don't stink
and then pay for the shit you want to pay
for get you want you love Steven You even making
jokes about Steven Miller, how like we don't really want
him to say what he really think?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Good?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Good because you know the nigga a Nazi like you're
white supremicist head ass.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
You know it? That man playing you.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
The Project twenty twenty five people, they playing you out
your mouth. You ain't no damn Christian, you know that.
I'm just saying these people gonna won't they favors back?
Maybe you cool with it. I'm just saying, now we
(29:16):
stuck with it. That might be the blue dress. Now
if you see the gold dress next, all right, now
(29:54):
you're looking at this thing, you might see the total opposite.
You may look at somebody that's saying, like, bro, like
you about to the snap and all of a sudden,
you got the money to do this, and they're like,
maybe you see the goal side. You like, oh, he
fundraised for that. That's not taxpayer's money. And if somebody
(30:14):
want to do a pet project, they should pay for it.
I don't see the problem he paid. He's paying for
it himself, and donors believe in him, and he did
what he did. He's not touching the taxpayer's money. Matter.
In fact, the taxpayer's money that's tied up because of
the Democrats. I'm trying to get these people paid. I
don't already, he don't already call You might be like,
(30:35):
he don't already co mingled funds to make sure some
of the military folk getting paid. Now, the air traffic
controllers are all mean. I can only co mingle so much.
Tell the Democrats to like stop. You know what I'm saying.
I told him we'll talk about all the Medicare and
Medicaid stuff. After I said let's talk about it, I'm
not saying I'm not gonna do it. I'm just saying, like,
let's get the thing done so we get paid and
(30:56):
then we'll figure out the other stuff later. That's all
I'm trying to say. Again, I'm arguing day position, and
they like, Yo, he's got towers and buildings everywhere. I mean,
isn't that what we wanted? We wanted to do that
new business. That know, that's what he do. He do
real estate, Like, that's what he do. The man crunched
(31:17):
the numbers. He said he wasn't gonna tear it down.
Then he looked at the numbers and was like, you
know what, it's actually cheaper to tear it down. And besides,
what's wallowing a renovation? Every president does it. Only difference
is I'm paying for it myself. I don't understand why
y'all mad at me. You get over here and hug me,
not making you pay for it? Shit? And yes, like
(31:39):
that's how donations work. People do stuff and in return
they get access.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
What the planet? What planet you live on?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
That's so normal? What are you talking about? I think
it's great. No, you ever been to Versailles, my nigga?
You ever been to you know? You go to the
hall you Buckingham palace, cause like you ever go like
them things is beautiful, homie, Like we out here slumming it?
What's wrong with us like doing that? And they're also
(32:10):
again putting on the view. Also, if you see the
gold dress, you might look at that and say that
destruction of those buildings, of that building is beautiful. I
wrote a whole poetry book and a set of albums
called Terraform, building a livable world, and sometimes to build,
(32:31):
actually every time to build, you have to have a
controlled demolition. You gotta tear it down. They may see
that as a beautiful metaphor of the destruction of a
something of an era far gone, a moment that needs
that we need to let go of. We need to
stop being so precious about these institutions that have not
(32:53):
served us all. I think this is a metaphor. I'm saying,
if you see the gold side, you're damn right, that's
a metaphor. Trump and his legacy will stay with us
forever because what did he do. He tore down a
system that wasn't working, and now he's about to build
a beautiful one, and we will have him to thank forever.
(33:19):
I'm just that's one way to look at it right,
and yeah, like why would we not want to be
in good graces with the wealthiest humans on earth? That's
just logical, Like why would I not want to be
good with them? They got all the money, and hey,
(33:39):
once again, they're kind of paying for it. So this
way he did, he tapped his own resources, he tapped
his own network, and he's doing what he do best.
He's not even touching the American money for that. That's
not even their funds. And you're gonna love it, like
you get to keep it. Like it's not like I
get to take it home with me, like you get
to keep it. It'd be different if I was building
(34:00):
building from our own house, y'all can take Like you're welcome, everybody,
go take pictures at the arch in New York City.
Y'all don't want one to DC. I want to stand
the problem. You've been in a Washington monument. It's just
it's an opulous, it's just from it's just a Egyptian
stick of like what the I feel like I'm trying
(34:24):
to help y'all. That's if you see the go address.
But I think the point I'm trying to make is
ultimately this is a metaphor of where our politics are.
We kind of already see what we already believe to
be true when we're looking at these things. So the
(34:45):
leading question for me is do I actually care at
all about the East Wing being destroyed? And in terms
should you care? I actually don't have an answer for you.
(35:08):
What I care about is what this says about us.
What I care about is does any of our protests
even matter if we're not going to do a collective
strike or a general strike.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
If we win, or if the the.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Congress gets a little more even doubt, are we really
going to pass laws that are going to liberate our people?
I what is going to break this death grip that
capitalism has on our Like just this show, this type
(36:00):
of capitalism that is just listen, guys, I obviously sell
things that is called commerce, okay, the but this institution
that is just funneling every possible scent up to the
top in a way that is got us squawking like
(36:23):
the dog on baby swallows, just waiting for these rich
folks to chew a worm and spit it out into
our mouths, Like, yo, what is we doing? I am
not at any point gonna go on a.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Recreational tour through the East Wing.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I'm still keeping in the back of my head that
slaves built the White House is so like do I
I mean, I don't what do I care? I mean,
I'm all out of pearl clutches with Trump himself. That's not.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I don't know. I'll tell you what I do know.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
I gotta I mean, Cali, I got a vote on
Prop fifty. If we're gonna Jerrymander, if we're gonna Jerry
tactically Jerrymander. You know when somebody you know what I'm saying,
walk into the lunch room and just giggle over your trade,
just trying to decide which snack is gonna take. Reach
in slowly.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Grabs your little.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Carton a pudding that used to give us cartons a pudding,
and just looks at you like you ain't gonna do
shit because you're a good boy. You don't want to
get in trouble. You have a code, so I ain't
gonna do nothing. I'll be back for your carrots and
(38:02):
chocolate milk. Like I said, that little boy was just
standing there smiling. But the areas that I come from,
sometimes you gotta wipe a smile. Off of somebody's face,
not because they did anything, but just so that everybody
(38:28):
watching those don't ever look at me like that. They
need to know you not playing, because if they can
fall back and keep saying, I'm just kidding, it's no
big deal. Why are you looking at it like that,
then they get to start sharing Hitler memes and call
(38:52):
him basketball monkey ball, you know, watermelon eaters. You know
what I'm saying. And did you know there was a
slur called moon crickets. That's because black people would sing
their Negro spirituals at night as we were escaping, you know,
(39:17):
or when we had our church services. We were saying
it would all be at night. It was our only
time to be together. So that's when we started. They
called us moon crickets. Just creative because but it might
be trivial, it might not be trivial. I just maybe
there are some things you should let slide. Maybe there's
some things you shouldn't let slide. I just don't know
(39:39):
if I have a spare f to give, which starting
to think is by design. All right, now, don't you
(40:04):
hit stop on this pod. You better listen to these credits.
I need you to finish this thing so I can
get the download numbers. Okay, so don't stop it yet,
but listen. This was recorded in East Lost Boyle Heights
by your boy Propaganda. Tap in with me at prop
hip hop dot com. If you're in the Coldbrew coffee
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(41:10):
beats softly, So listen, don't.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Let nobody lie to you.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
If you understand urban living, you understand politics.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
These people is not smarter than you.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
We'll see y'all next week.
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