June 11, 2025 • 40 mins
The city of Los Angeles is under siege from ICE, so today we interrupt our plan to make make fun of Trump and Elon's break up to talk wit Pastor Cue about the Def Justice center and all the organizing he's doing.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
As media hood politics with PRIB.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What I did plan on talking about today, first of
all is as you can see, I have rearranged the room.
We got the coffee and the records. Those are most
of those records are DJ effect. Those records rest in
peace to the Kilipino, to b boy Penoy. If you
know me, you see me rap, you've seen him. I
had a very fun episode set up where we were
(00:32):
just going to pretty much make fun of the bromance
of Trumpet Elon and then get a little serious about
the One Big Beautiful Bill, which still annoys me that
it's called that. No, the Big Beautiful Bill Act. That
still annoys me. Why do you put act at the end. Anyway,
we was gonna talk about that and the pretzel the
(00:53):
Republicans got to turn themselves into, and how there's trouble
in paradise among him. Y'all in road checks that your
booty can't cash. You feel me, y'all in cash the
in favors and they had a lot of interest, didn't they.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's that's that's what.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's this, this what the hood trying to tell you.
You think that Og taking care of you when he
do you a favor? That favor come with interest, and
this is what the Republicans experience and you experiencing that interest. Anyway,
I can't talk about that because the National Guards in
our streets. So that meant that I needed to fast
(01:38):
forward an episode I wanted to do with the homeboy
q Uh, who you will meet as soon as this
intro's over. But I'm gonna let him speak for himself
to live and die in l A. All right, theod
(02:07):
politics with prop as promised again. This artist to activist
pipeline is something that's really real. I've mentioned the hemmy
ce before so many times on the show about like
just the reality of like some people really doing it
a lot a lot of talkie talkie, you know what
I'm saying, but like to really like put you your body,
(02:29):
you know what I'm saying, your future, your livelihood really
in it to action. You know what I'm saying, is
very rare to see. So pastor Q, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
What's up, man, man man, Thanks for having me, Thanks
for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I appreciate the space you dig.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, we me and be and pasted. Q go way back,
so like way back. So this is like this is
like a real friendship. So what I'm gonna do for
the show is a little bit of ces background, what
he been doing and what we got planned.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Now as y'all know right now, like.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
If you're in an activist space, you real busy right
about now.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know what I'm saying. So we ain't gonna waste
que time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Understatement, understatement, I'm on and like we actually on our
way to the same event after this is over, you
know what I'm saying, So we go, We're gonna not
waste Yeah, we ain't gonna waste nobody time.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Uh, and get to an in.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Then on top of that, like the reality is like
on top of this just freaking military invasion we're facing
like I still gotta go to my aunt ethel house
and installed a sink, you know what I'm saying, Like
like real life is happening. Wow, this is still going on.
That's the reality of like really living in.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like activist spaces.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's like You've still gotta go check on Auntie and them,
like while.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You still got to moms.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah all right, So first of all, Q, introduce yourself,
tell them a little bit about what you do.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Man, we'll go back.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so Pastor Q pastor of the
Church with Our Walls in skid Row, being doing that
for about eighteen years. In August, it'll be nineteen years
since we've been on the block. And when we say
Church with our Walls, it's literally Church with our walls, right,
without the physical walls, and without the political walls, and
without all of the other walls that come with church
(04:30):
right in terms of structure and all of that. I'm
also founder and director. I'm founder of the Church with
Our Walls. I'm also founder and director of Creating Justice LA,
a space where we create justice through creative expressions. Some
of our creative expressions are the hip hop smoothie shop,
a work on cooperative skid Row Coffee. We just acquired
(04:54):
a convenience stool on the corner of Fifth and Saint
Pedro in skid Row because you know, uh, it's a
social enterprise and we don't want to just rely on
donations to do the transformative work that we're trying to
do in the skid Row, so we got to bring
in our own revenue. We we We've got about twenty
(05:14):
people on the staff between both organizations, uh, and most
most of the folks are skied row residents or live
within the context of skid row, or whether they're poor folks,
or whether they're folks who are under employed and all
of that stuff. So we try to really stand in
(05:34):
the groove right and standing be the go between the
kind of help people sort they're gonna fall through the cracks.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
See this why this why I don't ever want to
hear it from the news or any politician about the
houseless quote unquote crisis in LA because I know people
like you. You know, I'm like, I'm a I'm a
pull pull back and I'm just run the highlight or
(06:01):
over the things you just said right now, Like, uh,
you know what I'm saying, for eighteen years, there has
been a church. They're not a church that serves skid
road that go back to the now the church that
got uh come on, you understand I'm saying that got
a budget for drive by, the drive by the drive by.
Nah Maam, Like we live here, you know what I'm saying.
(06:24):
It's literally on a corner. And I had it in
my notes to talk about the convenience store. But but
before I even get to that, he's like the man said, look,
we got a smoothie movie spot. You know what I'm saying,
Like when you say fifth in San Pedro, unless you're
really from here, like I mean, people don't.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
People don't even people don't even want.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
To obeta stop signs when you get down to fifth
and six of San Pedro, you're trying to well do that.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's not that they don't want to obeta stop side,
they don't obey the.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Stop right, you know what I'm saying that, Like I'm
trying to get out of here.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You know, the whole idea you could row in that
community in that area is kind of like walking from
your living room to the kitchen or to the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Right, yeah, it's like your house.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's the house like.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Op out doors. So people have that state mentality.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I love that you said that. It's like we
live here. There just happened to be a street going
through our life like you know, and uh right, so
they like.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And this isn't like I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This ain't no no dumb ass rapper coming down there
and handing out merch you can't sell, you know, like,
no fool, like.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
We're we really here.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And then yeah, like like like one of you, one
like a famous rapper, came down and dropped off all
the White Lives Matter T shirt he.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Didn't want, they said, off.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
To the community. We had to call him out.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, you feel me, like when it's like, you know,
uh yeah, like now we really here, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
And yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And then the convenience store, I know, something unique just happened,
like it just got passed into black owners, right.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
For thirty years it was owned by a Korean couple
and a Korean family and Danny Parks, you know, shout
out to Danny, who you know has been part of
creating justices on our board of directors.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
His family turned the business over to him, I think
in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, one of those and he
called me one day and said, hey, you know, I
I'm tired. I don't want to do this anymore. My pops,
you know, died from, you know, the stress of running
this business. My uncle died from the stress of running
you know, this business. And I don't want to end
(08:41):
up the same way. So I want to sell the market.
And I said, okay, so I'm gonna help you sell
the market. And then he goes but there's a catch.
I want to sell it to. I want to sell
it to a black a black family, a black person,
or a black led organization. Really and then when I
asked him why, he was like, because you know, our family,
we were able to buy a house through this through
(09:03):
this market, and we were able to send our our
our family was able to send out, you know, us
kids to school and so uh. And this community is
predominantly black, so we want to get back to the community.
And so we decided as our nonprofit to purchase it, uh,
to kind of keep the dollars recycling in the community.
(09:25):
When you talk about recycling dollars, we hear a lot
about that. It's a nonprofit, so their social enterprise. So
therefore there's no ceo going taking home a whole lot
of money and all of that. The money is truly
recycled in the community, and the people who work there
oftentimes shopped there.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And the money recycled a couple of times just in
that store alone.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, Now, I call everything you were saying about like
recite you know, money staying in the community, and really
like this idea of like this is the camaraderie. I
feel like that don't. We don't won't get a lot
of credit for is this this idea of this this
this Korean man because you know, like like while maybe
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maybe their aunts and uncles were the ones that was
on the top of the convenience store shooting at us
at the riots, they kids was outside with us, you
know what I'm saying. Like they kids was at poject
blow with us. You know what I'm say. Their kids
was in the same holding tanks and detention centers and
after school programs.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You was in the same programs with us.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So as we've grown up, we was like, well, look
that was mom and them, Like we're we grew up
with you, you know, so it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, well, you know, yeah, creating justice man.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
We got a book club, right and years ago, way
back then, you know, he had the book club and
we were going through a book by Richard Rosstein called
The Color of Law and it's about how you know,
redline in the United States and also covers here in
Los Angeles. And Danny was part of that book club,
right because he's been part of our our board and whatever,
(11:44):
and then he was part of that book club. So
a lot of just the development of relationship, the cultivation
of relationship, right, the planting of seeds and water and
those relationship And nobody had any any ulterior motives.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
It wasn't like, Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna roll with
Danny and then one day I'm gonna I'm gonna ask
him to purchase his store. I didn't even know that
was gonna happen, right, Uh. And at the time, I
didn't even know he had owned the grocery store, right, Uh,
it would. We were just coming into that relationship and
so uh. Yeah, man, it was a beautiful thing to see.
I like to say, how God moves uh in ways
(12:22):
that people don't expect. Right, It's not in the structure
of a church and all of that, But that's real
church stuff happening, because we know that the word church
was really, uh a secular word that Jesus had borrowed,
uh to kind of describe going to a community meeting
and getting ready to engage in the community, in the
(12:44):
governing of the community and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
See, look you're dropping gyms already. Yeah, civic engagement, right, engagement.
So let me back up real quick on your story.
You are a legendary rapper.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't know if I'm legendary.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So real quick, just talk about the college boys era,
just real quick, you know, hip hop og og, Like
y'all do understand, like this is og right here, talk
about it a little bit and then we're gonna move
into what we're doing now.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, man, So I think you know, just like anybody's story, right,
I was born in the Caribbean and then uh moved
to Saint cor which is the Virgin Islands, and then
ended up in Texas culture shot, but went to high
school there, right, and then after high school linked up
with some other cats who was still in high school,
you know, uh, and started Actually I was a competitive
(13:37):
I was just getting into bodybuilding and I.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Was actually their security. Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
When we go do hip hop battles at a club
in Houston called the Ryanstone Wrangler, because I talk to him.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I lived about twenty miles east of Houston, right.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And we had all kinds of battles with with the
ghetto boys and everything like that, and we out of
twenty battle we lost only two, right, Because we would
do that switch rapping back in the day, that's og
stuff that a lot of these guys don't know about, right,
but OG's and you know, just doing stuff. Ended up
signing would wrap a lot records. We made a name
(14:14):
for ourselves, and before that, we made a name for
ourselves at KTSU, which is Southern Christian University in Texas, right,
And so you know, we made our name through the
college ranks, and that's why we changed our name to
the College Boys back in those days. And then in
nineteen eighty nine moved to California to get a record deal.
(14:36):
One year later we signed to Virgin Records, and it
was to a relationship we had with a brother named
John John Brown. We ended up writing lyrics for Paul
Abdulz scat Cat the.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Track you know what I mean? So yeah, all of
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah y'all, y'all, did y'all hear what he just said?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Come on fam status?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So yeah, you know, and and and and our first
record was called Victim of the Ghetto, right, it was
always hit record. Uh And and funny thing is that
record actually was about my life in particular, right because
I was the one who was a neighborhood pharmaceutical dealer. Right,
come on, man, got to clean it up for them
(15:24):
if they catch it, if you know, you.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Know right, get it.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So I always had that entrepreneurship spirit man, and and
wanted to be a hip hop mobile. We used to
do our own shows in Texas. We made our own way.
There was no social media. We would rent the fireman's
hall and throw all of these these get downs right,
and really saved enough money to move to California. And
like I said, a lot of people come to Cali
(15:50):
and they never make it right. God bless their soul,
because you know, I feel it when people have the
hunger to make something up themselves but it doesn't work out.
So I feel for those but we were we were
blessed to be able to do that within one year
after we got here.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
In the rest of history, that's tope.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I feel like you even you even hit the nail
on the head moving into like what's going on right now,
which is like the thing about coming to California, Like
y'all this outside perception of just like these transplants with
you know, their yoga pants and their erawon, you know,
(16:30):
smoothies that they think we soft right, And I'm like,
so I'm like even obviously us born and raised here
like we're already like, well, you're not talking about us,
Like we know you're not talking about us. But but
the grit it takes to get here and stay, whether
(16:50):
it's like in an entertainment space or even in an
immigrant situation, like it's really.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's really, really, really hard. So you have to understand.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm even going back to like Great migration, like you
if you if you you know, if you was a
black person from Texas or you know, Oklahoma, Arkansas, like
that's like the trajectory like of the Great Migration, like
you know, if you was further east, they went north,
like but from Texas and west.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So most of us are like are are our roots?
Are our Texas?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Uh? We different?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Like we're like listen, I'm not gonna stay up under this,
Jim Crow. You're not finna like you're not gonna treat.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Us like this. You under said what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So then to get here, which was my granny in
them story, to get here and then be dropped right
in the in the middle of Watts and then to
have like that that that racist police brutality happened in
It's like no, man, we just now we just left this.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You're not finna do this to us.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, you know, I grew up listening to stuff like
I'd rather be a free man than Mike Eve than
living as a puppet on sleeve.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Come on, see, we build different NATO community. You gotta
understand these, these the zootsuit rioters where it's just like these,
the brown berets, like you're not feel like even our
queer community like we not.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
You don't play with us like this. It's already hard
enough to be here.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
You instead, I'm saying so like and to quote and
to quote one of our patron saints, like we might
fight amongst each other.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I promise you this. You know what I'm saying. I
promise you this, bro.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You know what I'm saying. You feel you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, I mean it kind of reminds me
of of the Joint, right where my man says, I
think it is a Jacob. He says, you mad because
the city's on fire, but you quiet when my.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
People die, right exactly, I don't want to hear, Yeah,
I don't want to hear nothing about I don't want
to hear nothing about the National Guard. Right when y'all
are when the Jay January six folks, y'all to the
actual capital, Like you said, like we're we're literally defending
(19:08):
our aunties and uncles.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
One of the things too, we we gotta also remember
is that they no longer control. There's no more there's
no more just a couple of great, huge media companies
controlling the narrative. As much as I hate social media oftentimes, uh,
there's also a good thing about social media is that
(19:32):
we become.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Our own citizens media, right, Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And we get to also and they say certain things
or they push certain narratives, we get to push back
against their narratives.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And we got people who are following us and different
folks and all of that, so we get to create
our own echo echo chambers to actually combat what they're saying.
Back in the days, we couldn't do that because they
owned all the media facts.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I know, anytime I'm outside, whenever there's a mass, you know,
organization organizing to resist, I always run into you, which
is like it's always been, which is why can't nobody
tell me nothing about what you're doing over there? Because
I'm like, well, I I know when I go I
see it you know what I'm saying. There's a lot
(20:19):
of people I don't see.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But now, granted it might be hundreds of thousands of
people outside, but you still kind of like are you
Like I don't know, bro, Like I check to your neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Don't nobody know you? You know what I'm saying, Like
like you feel me?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Like here, I can always say, no matter what the
cause was, which is what I like, what really resonates
with you where it's not just a Black Lives Matter thing.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's not just the homes thing.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's it's where, it's it's gaza, it's you know what
I'm saying, It's all kind of stuff. And right now,
you know, our immigrant brothers and sisters are the ones
that's like, you know, kind of leading leading away. So
we like, all right, let's go where we're going. What's
the link, you know, Let's go on a mission. So
like yesterday was one of the Today's Monday of this week,
(21:04):
this is gonna drop with his day, Yesterday was one
of the more intense confrontations. So from what I know
and see is what we saw in twenty twenty and
what we saw in ninety two with the riots, which
was we were not the aggressors, right, you know, the
aggressors were the military force, right, So was that your
(21:30):
experience too?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Man, Well when you look at what happened this weekend, right,
we know that Donald Trump has a plan, right, and
we know his plan is to escalate. Everybody knows if
you can see it coming. He wants martial law. He
hates California because California didn't vote for him, and we
resist him and we don't like him, and he knows that,
(21:55):
and he loves to be liked.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So what he did was.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And things escalated, was that I started you know, throwing,
you know, gassing people, right, yeah, And that's violent. You
might call it non lethal, but it's still violent, right Yeah.
And then when you go into an elementary school and
you're trying to break up an elementary school graduation, that's violence.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
On top of that, Prior to that, prior to.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
All of this, you already went into a school or
went into a facility and deported or home and deported
you know, a child who was going through cancer treatment,
so you don't care if she dies or not, and
you deport her while she's going through cancer treatment for
brain for brain cancer. Come on, man, you already violent.
(22:47):
You have already violated the code. You already went over
the line. So I want nobody talking about, well they
burning this day, burning that, whatever, whatever. Hey, if you
are not going to speak up against that type of violence,
I don't want to hear you talking about your stuff
and your property that's burning because human life, human life
(23:09):
is more important than property. I'm not going to run
around burning property. But at the same time, I understand
right why people would do it. Doctor King said, what
riots are the voice of being heard? And I really
don't call them riots. I call them uprisings. Except for
January sixth.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
That was a riot.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
That riots, Yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
What I'm saying. They were like, we want power even
though we lost, we want to take it by force.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Love.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
We don't o this.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Boy, something happened in a spirit. Oh, I was having.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Preach when I came to deliver discusses today to the
spirit of a race that's into White House, told kill
me since in spirit for warf ben.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I h Then I'm gonna praak for breaks at all.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I do.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'm gonna preak, so I'm gonna put up my famers
from food. From the end of my se people were
a plenty were like lies, you have me know.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That? And p.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yes, yeah, I mean you you nail so many things
because first of all, like the reality is a lot
of these cases these people like you're disincentivizing these people
to follow the rules because especially that cancer treatment person,
like they applied to all the paperwork, like we did
(25:37):
the paperwork. If you tell me, I have you tell
me I need to follow the rules. Okay, So I
set a court date and I go to the immigration
office and you arrest me.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But it's a child.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's a child.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
But what I'm trying, it's an elementary age child. They
I mean, even if you got laws, there's a greater
law that operates with thins you.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's why the scripture says.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I no longer want you to put, you know, the
law on a wall in school, on stones or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I need it on your heart.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I need it on your heart.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And I'm just like I'm just saying, even just from
a practical standpoint. So what you're telling me is don't
go to my don't go to court. What you're telling
me is don't show up. That's what you're telling me
like I tried to follow the rules, and when I did,
you still arrest me.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna not
follow them.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, I'm just like that'll make it like and.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And then going back to your violence point. On one
of the other shows on our network, it's called Weird
Little Guys. It's a great show. It's just about like
how it turns out a lot of these uh right
wing extremists in our country turns out to just be
just weird little guys, you know what I'm saying, once
you get into who they are. But on that show,
(26:48):
Molly talked about the case of Dishaunte and Pinder, which
is essentially it stood up in in court many times
that the police really have no obligation to protect us,
like like if they don't have to get in the
line of they don't have to. Matter of fact, like
(27:09):
the only their only obligation is if they we are
in their custody or to protect us from danger. Is
if we are in their custody, or if they set
up the problem. But if there's a riot going on,
especially like right now, Like so if if if Trump
flew to National Guard down here, right, and then they're
(27:29):
clashing with us. The police don't have to intervene, no,
because they're like, well we didn't cause we didn't cause this, right,
So not only did the feds bring the violence, the
LAPD has no obligation to stop it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Well, but but but look at what they did do though, right,
we have to check out their actions right now, what
they say, but the actions.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
We're supposed to be a sanctuary city, and what did they.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Do LAPD even last night was tear gasing and shooting
rubber bullets at protesters. I thought we were a sanctuary city.
And what are you doing helping the federal forces. You're
supposed to be protecting the people from the federal forces.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Which for and what's crazy is like the tradition for
la has been say what you want about the LAPD.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
They are a gang, they are violent.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, but the traditions and all of them, all of them, right,
But the tradition has always been, but we don't really
get into the immigration thing because we can't do our
job if you're afraid to talk to us because you
think you're going to get deported. So the tradition has
always been like, oh yeah, now we don't won't enforce
none of that. And then finally I saw today the
(28:48):
city of Glendale said, all right, we're going to we're
going to terminate our deal with US Borders Customs. They said,
They're like, they're like, we're not going to do it.
We don't we don't want to work with y'all. No more,
y'all keep y'all money. We don't want our contract with
ICE anymore. You cannot have a detention center here. So
it's like that's great, Like Glendale was like, did what
(29:10):
they said? It's like, you know what, we don't need this.
We don't need this, this y'all's issue. We don't agree
with it, we don't believe in it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
This y'all's issue.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Not to mention, which is a different narrative here we
could talk about later, but like, well, Glendale's Armenian, right,
the city Armenia. And I'm like, and they they're different,
they are different.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
They're different.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, yeah, because because what about the guy who makes
our record check Check. I used to say, call him,
we used to call him check from the Armenian Project. Yeah,
matter because he because he makes some ice cubes records
and everything, but he also makes our record.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
He's in Glendale and.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
They don't they they different like fam.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, So let's move into what we're doing July third,
you know, because again I want to hold you to
a third.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Is. The is, The is the Moses to get out.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So you know, we can't give we can't get too
much details on it because we know that they listening
to us. We know that they got us under surveillance, right,
we know they got volunteer and all of that stuff,
all that stuff that they use to you know, the
whole cointelpro and all of that stuff. So we know
they listening. But on July third, we want folks to
(30:21):
save the day because on July third, we're doing what's
called the Freedom Cruise and Rally, and it's gonna be
h It's called death Justice. Death stands for uh, kind
of like death jams, so it stands for diversity, equity,
and freedom. So it's the Freedom Cruise and Rally. Uh,
and we're gonna shut ish down right.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Uh. You know what I mean. You know it's a cruise.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It's happening somewhere in in Los Angeles County, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
And it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I think we got a couple of car clubs that
are on deck. We got artists who're gonna be on deck. Uh,
prop gonna be on deck. Right, we got some stuff happening.
We already got some folks from some of the unions
or who are gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Be on deck.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
And and yeah, man, if you got a car and
you got an issue you care about, we say, bring
your car and bring your issues.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
UH. July third some of the demands we have.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
By the way, you can guess why we chose July third,
because you know, we know fourth of July ain't really
uh and meant for all of us uh. And they yeah, yeah, yeah,
so what we and so on July third, when we
we some of our demands. Of that, California gives sends
over six hundred billion dollars to UH, to the federal government,
(31:50):
and we spent we we only received. We we received
eighty billion less than what we send them. So basically,
we were sending them an additional eighty billion dollars and
a lot of that money goes to Red states and
supporting welfare and all of that other stuff. Right, they
hate California, but they love our money. We know we
(32:11):
got the fourth largest economy in the world. Right, that
just happened not too long ago.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And so.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
We are calling on the governor to actually not push
back against the Trump administration because they started it. So, hey,
let's not Let's let's find a way not to send
them that eighty billion dollars. Right, let's wit hold that
eighty billion dollars. If you all want to play, if
you want to take it to court, let's go to court.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Let's do what we got to do. Right, That's what
it demands. The right demand is that The other.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Demand is that ICE must unmask, Right, they must unmask.
You can't come into our communities like gangsters. We don't
know who you are. We can't prove who you are.
It's unsafe for our community. Get out of our community unmasked.
The third and the third heard uh demand is to
abolish ICE. Those are national Uh. The eighty billion is
(33:05):
sort of a state strategy. The abolish ICE obviously is
a national strategy.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
And the last demand is to impeach Donald Trump. Impeach
the president. Right, So that's our demands and and uh,
part of our and and the follow up is that
we are trying to divest from plantation capitalism and reinvest
back into local communities like some of the stuff we're
(33:32):
doing in Skid Role. We talked about the market and
all of that. We ought to be doing that in Chinatown.
We ought to be doing that. In Korea Time, we
ought to be doing that. In Little Tokyo, we ought
to be doing that in Ball Heights. Come on, man Compton, Lynnwood, Yeah,
I mean Watts wherever.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
We need to We need to start focusing away from
these corporations and were already taking down Tesla. They're going
down hard right now, and Walk and Target is going now.
We need to continue to keep that going. Uh, and
not just strife, but we need to actually start diverting
resources from these organizations.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Some notes about ice. A few things that are older
than ice. So when we talk about abolishing it, so uh,
the song Skater Boy by Avril Levine, Okay, that's older
than ice, right, mister.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Elliotts, if it's worth it, let me work it. That
song is older than ice.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Exactly, Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
HoTT in Her, Yeah, hotten Here by Nell Nellie. Nelly's
song hot in Here is older than ice. So you
can't tell me. This is an institution, a long standing
and these things. These songs are older than Ice exact,
so like don't don't tell me and don't tell me
you can't do it. But I wanted to also put
(35:18):
a put a put a pin on one of the
demands when you were saying, well, why don't we just
withhold funds because I'm like, that's what Trump says all
the time.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
You don't do this, we won't send you the federal money. Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's just is just a pushback for him for what
he's talking about, right like okay.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, okay, word is that that is that?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
The game?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Is that the play?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Look, you made the rules, you said that's the play.
You said you ain't gonna send the money.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Okay, work, then we won't send the money exactly exact exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
They need the money money more than we do.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Trust facts.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yes, I'm like, man, we say all the time like
like bru a lot of times, like man, you tell me,
you told me what it was. You know, I came
in here with just like in this protest, like we
came in here being like following all the rules telling
you because we understand we don't done through We didn't
been through this before.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
You know what I'm saying we know the rules. We
know to stay across the street.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
We know.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You know what I'm saying, Like, we know all these
rules right and it's on now.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I'm saying like, yeah, qute, drop all the like ways
for which the audience can stay in contact with you
with y'all. I get asked all the time like what
are the what are the outlets you can you could
check on? That's gonna give you that real rap. You
know what I'm saying, You're one of the ones l
(36:48):
a Taco. There is like a big one that like
no doubt, no outside and they real you know what
I'm saying, So like, how can people stay in contact
with you?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Most definitely create on IG, create Justice underscore, Create Justice
Underscore on IG, our website creating Justice dot la. On email,
you can hit me at q that is CUI at
Creating Justice dot l a q at Creating Justice dot La.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
That's three ways you can reach me.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I gave you the email, I gave you the IG,
and I gave you the website.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
So hit us.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know, we got a whole lot of other stuff,
but if you can catch me on one of those,
you know you can get the rest of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And if you're in the city, like and you going
to any of these things, you going see you gonna
see Q right here.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, yeah, And we opened.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
We also got a Piece and Hilling Center in schedule
one sixteen East fifth Street on the Nickel And so
we uh, we definitely opened today for protesters and folks
who are on the street who want to refresh or
regroup or whatever.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Come through the Piece and Hilling Center.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Get you something to drink, cool out for a minute
in the in the ac do you know, do what
you gotta do before you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
That's man, that's right. Look you you no use to
us exhausted, you know. Yeah yeah, So like people always
ask me, like how do I how do I stay balanced?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
How do this?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'm like, I'm no use to the movement if I'm exhausted.
So like, you know, get your food, take care of yourself.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
You gotta take care of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Man, to take care of yourselves. Yeah, all right, you
appreciate you, man, appreciate your time. I'm gonna see you
in about an hour.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
It is yeah, having me man, thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
All right, right, love one love, all right now, don't
you hit stop on this pod. You better listen to
these credits. I need you to finish this thing so
(38:58):
I can get to download number. Okay, so don't stop
it yet, but listen. This was recorded in East Lost
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Speaker 1 (40:00):
So listen.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Don't let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living,
you understand politics. These people is not smarter than you.
We'll see y'all next week.
As media hood politics with PRIB.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
What I did plan on talking about today, first of
all is as you can see, I have rearranged the room.
We got the coffee and the records. Those are most
of those records are DJ effect. Those records rest in
peace to the Kilipino, to b boy Penoy. If you
know me, you see me rap, you've seen him. I
had a very fun episode set up where we were
(00:32):
just going to pretty much make fun of the bromance
of Trumpet Elon and then get a little serious about
the One Big Beautiful Bill, which still annoys me that
it's called that. No, the Big Beautiful Bill Act. That
still annoys me. Why do you put act at the end. Anyway,
we was gonna talk about that and the pretzel the
(00:53):
Republicans got to turn themselves into, and how there's trouble
in paradise among him. Y'all in road checks that your
booty can't cash. You feel me, y'all in cash the
in favors and they had a lot of interest, didn't they.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's that's that's what.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
That's this, this what the hood trying to tell you.
You think that Og taking care of you when he
do you a favor? That favor come with interest, and
this is what the Republicans experience and you experiencing that interest. Anyway,
I can't talk about that because the National Guards in
our streets. So that meant that I needed to fast
(01:38):
forward an episode I wanted to do with the homeboy
q Uh, who you will meet as soon as this
intro's over. But I'm gonna let him speak for himself
to live and die in l A. All right, theod
(02:07):
politics with prop as promised again. This artist to activist
pipeline is something that's really real. I've mentioned the hemmy
ce before so many times on the show about like
just the reality of like some people really doing it
a lot a lot of talkie talkie, you know what
I'm saying, but like to really like put you your body,
(02:29):
you know what I'm saying, your future, your livelihood really
in it to action. You know what I'm saying, is
very rare to see. So pastor Q, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
What's up, man, man man, Thanks for having me, Thanks
for having me.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
I appreciate the space you dig.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, we me and be and pasted. Q go way back,
so like way back. So this is like this is
like a real friendship. So what I'm gonna do for
the show is a little bit of ces background, what
he been doing and what we got planned.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Now as y'all know right now, like.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
If you're in an activist space, you real busy right
about now.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know what I'm saying. So we ain't gonna waste
que time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Understatement, understatement, I'm on and like we actually on our
way to the same event after this is over, you
know what I'm saying, So we go, We're gonna not
waste Yeah, we ain't gonna waste nobody time.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Uh, and get to an in.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Then on top of that, like the reality is like
on top of this just freaking military invasion we're facing
like I still gotta go to my aunt ethel house
and installed a sink, you know what I'm saying, Like
like real life is happening. Wow, this is still going on.
That's the reality of like really living in.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Like activist spaces.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It's like You've still gotta go check on Auntie and them,
like while.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
You still got to moms.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah all right, So first of all, Q, introduce yourself,
tell them a little bit about what you do.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Man, we'll go back.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so Pastor Q pastor of the
Church with Our Walls in skid Row, being doing that
for about eighteen years. In August, it'll be nineteen years
since we've been on the block. And when we say
Church with our Walls, it's literally Church with our walls, right,
without the physical walls, and without the political walls, and
without all of the other walls that come with church
(04:30):
right in terms of structure and all of that. I'm
also founder and director. I'm founder of the Church with
Our Walls. I'm also founder and director of Creating Justice LA,
a space where we create justice through creative expressions. Some
of our creative expressions are the hip hop smoothie shop,
a work on cooperative skid Row Coffee. We just acquired
(04:54):
a convenience stool on the corner of Fifth and Saint
Pedro in skid Row because you know, uh, it's a
social enterprise and we don't want to just rely on
donations to do the transformative work that we're trying to
do in the skid Row, so we got to bring
in our own revenue. We we We've got about twenty
(05:14):
people on the staff between both organizations, uh, and most
most of the folks are skied row residents or live
within the context of skid row, or whether they're poor folks,
or whether they're folks who are under employed and all
of that stuff. So we try to really stand in
(05:34):
the groove right and standing be the go between the
kind of help people sort they're gonna fall through the cracks.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
See this why this why I don't ever want to
hear it from the news or any politician about the
houseless quote unquote crisis in LA because I know people
like you. You know, I'm like, I'm a I'm a
pull pull back and I'm just run the highlight or
(06:01):
over the things you just said right now, Like, uh,
you know what I'm saying, for eighteen years, there has
been a church. They're not a church that serves skid
road that go back to the now the church that
got uh come on, you understand I'm saying that got
a budget for drive by, the drive by the drive by.
Nah Maam, Like we live here, you know what I'm saying.
(06:24):
It's literally on a corner. And I had it in
my notes to talk about the convenience store. But but
before I even get to that, he's like the man said, look,
we got a smoothie movie spot. You know what I'm saying,
Like when you say fifth in San Pedro, unless you're
really from here, like I mean, people don't.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
People don't even people don't even want.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
To obeta stop signs when you get down to fifth
and six of San Pedro, you're trying to well do that.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
It's not that they don't want to obeta stop side,
they don't obey the.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Stop right, you know what I'm saying that, Like I'm
trying to get out of here.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
You know, the whole idea you could row in that
community in that area is kind of like walking from
your living room to the kitchen or to the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Right, yeah, it's like your house.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's the house like.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Op out doors. So people have that state mentality.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I love that you said that. It's like we
live here. There just happened to be a street going
through our life like you know, and uh right, so
they like.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
And this isn't like I love it.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This ain't no no dumb ass rapper coming down there
and handing out merch you can't sell, you know, like,
no fool, like.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
We're we really here.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And then yeah, like like like one of you, one
like a famous rapper, came down and dropped off all
the White Lives Matter T shirt he.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Didn't want, they said, off.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
To the community. We had to call him out.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah, you feel me, like when it's like, you know,
uh yeah, like now we really here, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
And yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
And then the convenience store, I know, something unique just happened,
like it just got passed into black owners, right.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
For thirty years it was owned by a Korean couple
and a Korean family and Danny Parks, you know, shout
out to Danny, who you know has been part of
creating justices on our board of directors.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
All of that.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
His family turned the business over to him, I think
in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen, one of those and he
called me one day and said, hey, you know, I
I'm tired. I don't want to do this anymore. My pops,
you know, died from, you know, the stress of running
this business. My uncle died from the stress of running
you know, this business. And I don't want to end
(08:41):
up the same way. So I want to sell the market.
And I said, okay, so I'm gonna help you sell
the market. And then he goes but there's a catch.
I want to sell it to. I want to sell
it to a black a black family, a black person,
or a black led organization. Really and then when I
asked him why, he was like, because you know, our family,
we were able to buy a house through this through
(09:03):
this market, and we were able to send our our
our family was able to send out, you know, us
kids to school and so uh. And this community is
predominantly black, so we want to get back to the community.
And so we decided as our nonprofit to purchase it, uh,
to kind of keep the dollars recycling in the community.
(09:25):
When you talk about recycling dollars, we hear a lot
about that. It's a nonprofit, so their social enterprise. So
therefore there's no ceo going taking home a whole lot
of money and all of that. The money is truly
recycled in the community, and the people who work there
oftentimes shopped there.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And the money recycled a couple of times just in
that store alone.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, Now, I call everything you were saying about like
recite you know, money staying in the community, and really
like this idea of like this is the camaraderie. I
feel like that don't. We don't won't get a lot
of credit for is this this idea of this this
this Korean man because you know, like like while maybe
(10:46):
maybe their aunts and uncles were the ones that was
on the top of the convenience store shooting at us
at the riots, they kids was outside with us, you
know what I'm saying. Like they kids was at poject
blow with us. You know what I'm say. Their kids
was in the same holding tanks and detention centers and
after school programs.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You was in the same programs with us.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
So as we've grown up, we was like, well, look
that was mom and them, Like we're we grew up
with you, you know, so it's it's beautiful.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Yeah, well, you know, yeah, creating justice man.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
We got a book club, right and years ago, way
back then, you know, he had the book club and
we were going through a book by Richard Rosstein called
The Color of Law and it's about how you know,
redline in the United States and also covers here in
Los Angeles. And Danny was part of that book club,
right because he's been part of our our board and whatever,
(11:44):
and then he was part of that book club. So
a lot of just the development of relationship, the cultivation
of relationship, right, the planting of seeds and water and
those relationship And nobody had any any ulterior motives.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
It wasn't like, Oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna roll with
Danny and then one day I'm gonna I'm gonna ask
him to purchase his store. I didn't even know that
was gonna happen, right, Uh. And at the time, I
didn't even know he had owned the grocery store, right, Uh,
it would. We were just coming into that relationship and
so uh. Yeah, man, it was a beautiful thing to see.
I like to say, how God moves uh in ways
(12:22):
that people don't expect. Right, It's not in the structure
of a church and all of that, But that's real
church stuff happening, because we know that the word church
was really, uh a secular word that Jesus had borrowed,
uh to kind of describe going to a community meeting
and getting ready to engage in the community, in the
(12:44):
governing of the community and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
See, look you're dropping gyms already. Yeah, civic engagement, right, engagement.
So let me back up real quick on your story.
You are a legendary rapper.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I don't know if I'm legendary.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
So real quick, just talk about the college boys era,
just real quick, you know, hip hop og og, Like
y'all do understand, like this is og right here, talk
about it a little bit and then we're gonna move
into what we're doing now.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Yeah, man, So I think you know, just like anybody's story, right,
I was born in the Caribbean and then uh moved
to Saint cor which is the Virgin Islands, and then
ended up in Texas culture shot, but went to high
school there, right, and then after high school linked up
with some other cats who was still in high school,
you know, uh, and started Actually I was a competitive
(13:37):
I was just getting into bodybuilding and I.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Was actually their security. Uh.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
When we go do hip hop battles at a club
in Houston called the Ryanstone Wrangler, because I talk to him.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I lived about twenty miles east of Houston, right.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
And we had all kinds of battles with with the
ghetto boys and everything like that, and we out of
twenty battle we lost only two, right, Because we would
do that switch rapping back in the day, that's og
stuff that a lot of these guys don't know about, right,
but OG's and you know, just doing stuff. Ended up
signing would wrap a lot records. We made a name
(14:14):
for ourselves, and before that, we made a name for
ourselves at KTSU, which is Southern Christian University in Texas, right,
And so you know, we made our name through the
college ranks, and that's why we changed our name to
the College Boys back in those days. And then in
nineteen eighty nine moved to California to get a record deal.
(14:36):
One year later we signed to Virgin Records, and it
was to a relationship we had with a brother named
John John Brown. We ended up writing lyrics for Paul
Abdulz scat Cat the.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Track you know what I mean? So yeah, all of
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah y'all, y'all, did y'all hear what he just said?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Right now?
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Come on fam status?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
So yeah, you know, and and and and our first
record was called Victim of the Ghetto, right, it was
always hit record. Uh And and funny thing is that
record actually was about my life in particular, right because
I was the one who was a neighborhood pharmaceutical dealer. Right,
come on, man, got to clean it up for them
(15:24):
if they catch it, if you know, you.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Know right, get it.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
So I always had that entrepreneurship spirit man, and and
wanted to be a hip hop mobile. We used to
do our own shows in Texas. We made our own way.
There was no social media. We would rent the fireman's
hall and throw all of these these get downs right,
and really saved enough money to move to California. And
like I said, a lot of people come to Cali
(15:50):
and they never make it right. God bless their soul,
because you know, I feel it when people have the
hunger to make something up themselves but it doesn't work out.
So I feel for those but we were we were
blessed to be able to do that within one year
after we got here.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
In the rest of history, that's tope.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I feel like you even you even hit the nail
on the head moving into like what's going on right now,
which is like the thing about coming to California, Like
y'all this outside perception of just like these transplants with
you know, their yoga pants and their erawon, you know,
(16:30):
smoothies that they think we soft right, And I'm like,
so I'm like even obviously us born and raised here
like we're already like, well, you're not talking about us,
Like we know you're not talking about us. But but
the grit it takes to get here and stay, whether
(16:50):
it's like in an entertainment space or even in an
immigrant situation, like it's really.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It's really, really, really hard. So you have to understand.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I'm even going back to like Great migration, like you
if you if you you know, if you was a
black person from Texas or you know, Oklahoma, Arkansas, like
that's like the trajectory like of the Great Migration, like
you know, if you was further east, they went north,
like but from Texas and west.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
So most of us are like are are our roots?
Are our Texas?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Uh? We different?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Like we're like listen, I'm not gonna stay up under this,
Jim Crow. You're not finna like you're not gonna treat.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Us like this. You under said what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So then to get here, which was my granny in
them story, to get here and then be dropped right
in the in the middle of Watts and then to
have like that that that racist police brutality happened in
It's like no, man, we just now we just left this.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
You're not finna do this to us.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Well, you know, I grew up listening to stuff like
I'd rather be a free man than Mike Eve than
living as a puppet on sleeve.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Come on, see, we build different NATO community. You gotta
understand these, these the zootsuit rioters where it's just like these,
the brown berets, like you're not feel like even our
queer community like we not.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
You don't play with us like this. It's already hard
enough to be here.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
You instead, I'm saying so like and to quote and
to quote one of our patron saints, like we might
fight amongst each other.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I promise you this. You know what I'm saying. I
promise you this, bro.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
You know what I'm saying. You feel you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, I mean it kind of reminds me
of of the Joint, right where my man says, I
think it is a Jacob. He says, you mad because
the city's on fire, but you quiet when my.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
People die, right exactly, I don't want to hear, Yeah,
I don't want to hear nothing about I don't want
to hear nothing about the National Guard. Right when y'all
are when the Jay January six folks, y'all to the
actual capital, Like you said, like we're we're literally defending
(19:08):
our aunties and uncles.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
One of the things too, we we gotta also remember
is that they no longer control. There's no more there's
no more just a couple of great, huge media companies
controlling the narrative. As much as I hate social media oftentimes, uh,
there's also a good thing about social media is that
(19:32):
we become.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Our own citizens media, right, Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
And we get to also and they say certain things
or they push certain narratives, we get to push back
against their narratives.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
And we got people who are following us and different
folks and all of that, so we get to create
our own echo echo chambers to actually combat what they're saying.
Back in the days, we couldn't do that because they
owned all the media facts.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
I know, anytime I'm outside, whenever there's a mass, you know,
organization organizing to resist, I always run into you, which
is like it's always been, which is why can't nobody
tell me nothing about what you're doing over there? Because
I'm like, well, I I know when I go I
see it you know what I'm saying. There's a lot
(20:19):
of people I don't see.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But now, granted it might be hundreds of thousands of
people outside, but you still kind of like are you
Like I don't know, bro, Like I check to your neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Don't nobody know you? You know what I'm saying, Like
like you feel me?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Like here, I can always say, no matter what the
cause was, which is what I like, what really resonates
with you where it's not just a Black Lives Matter thing.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
It's not just the homes thing.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's it's where, it's it's gaza, it's you know what
I'm saying, It's all kind of stuff. And right now,
you know, our immigrant brothers and sisters are the ones
that's like, you know, kind of leading leading away. So
we like, all right, let's go where we're going. What's
the link, you know, Let's go on a mission. So
like yesterday was one of the Today's Monday of this week,
(21:04):
this is gonna drop with his day, Yesterday was one
of the more intense confrontations. So from what I know
and see is what we saw in twenty twenty and
what we saw in ninety two with the riots, which
was we were not the aggressors, right, you know, the
aggressors were the military force, right, So was that your
(21:30):
experience too?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Man, Well when you look at what happened this weekend, right,
we know that Donald Trump has a plan, right, and
we know his plan is to escalate. Everybody knows if
you can see it coming. He wants martial law. He
hates California because California didn't vote for him, and we
resist him and we don't like him, and he knows that,
(21:55):
and he loves to be liked.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
So what he did was.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And things escalated, was that I started you know, throwing,
you know, gassing people, right, yeah, And that's violent. You
might call it non lethal, but it's still violent, right Yeah.
And then when you go into an elementary school and
you're trying to break up an elementary school graduation, that's violence.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
On top of that, Prior to that, prior to.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
All of this, you already went into a school or
went into a facility and deported or home and deported
you know, a child who was going through cancer treatment,
so you don't care if she dies or not, and
you deport her while she's going through cancer treatment for
brain for brain cancer. Come on, man, you already violent.
(22:47):
You have already violated the code. You already went over
the line. So I want nobody talking about, well they
burning this day, burning that, whatever, whatever. Hey, if you
are not going to speak up against that type of violence,
I don't want to hear you talking about your stuff
and your property that's burning because human life, human life
(23:09):
is more important than property. I'm not going to run
around burning property. But at the same time, I understand
right why people would do it. Doctor King said, what
riots are the voice of being heard? And I really
don't call them riots. I call them uprisings. Except for
January sixth.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
That was a riot.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
That riots, Yes, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
What I'm saying. They were like, we want power even
though we lost, we want to take it by force.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Love.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
We don't o this.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Boy, something happened in a spirit. Oh, I was having.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Preach when I came to deliver discusses today to the
spirit of a race that's into White House, told kill
me since in spirit for warf ben.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
I h Then I'm gonna praak for breaks at all.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I do.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'm gonna preak, so I'm gonna put up my famers
from food. From the end of my se people were
a plenty were like lies, you have me know.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That? And p.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yes, yeah, I mean you you nail so many things
because first of all, like the reality is a lot
of these cases these people like you're disincentivizing these people
to follow the rules because especially that cancer treatment person,
like they applied to all the paperwork, like we did
(25:37):
the paperwork. If you tell me, I have you tell
me I need to follow the rules. Okay, So I
set a court date and I go to the immigration
office and you arrest me.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
But it's a child.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
It's a child.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
But what I'm trying, it's an elementary age child. They
I mean, even if you got laws, there's a greater
law that operates with thins you.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's why the scripture says.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I no longer want you to put, you know, the
law on a wall in school, on stones or whatever.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
I need it on your heart.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I need it on your heart.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And I'm just like I'm just saying, even just from
a practical standpoint. So what you're telling me is don't
go to my don't go to court. What you're telling
me is don't show up. That's what you're telling me
like I tried to follow the rules, and when I did,
you still arrest me.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna not
follow them.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, I'm just like that'll make it like and.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
And then going back to your violence point. On one
of the other shows on our network, it's called Weird
Little Guys. It's a great show. It's just about like
how it turns out a lot of these uh right
wing extremists in our country turns out to just be
just weird little guys, you know what I'm saying, once
you get into who they are. But on that show,
(26:48):
Molly talked about the case of Dishaunte and Pinder, which
is essentially it stood up in in court many times
that the police really have no obligation to protect us,
like like if they don't have to get in the
line of they don't have to. Matter of fact, like
(27:09):
the only their only obligation is if they we are
in their custody or to protect us from danger. Is
if we are in their custody, or if they set
up the problem. But if there's a riot going on,
especially like right now, Like so if if if Trump
flew to National Guard down here, right, and then they're
(27:29):
clashing with us. The police don't have to intervene, no,
because they're like, well we didn't cause we didn't cause this, right,
So not only did the feds bring the violence, the
LAPD has no obligation to stop it.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Well, but but but look at what they did do though, right,
we have to check out their actions right now, what
they say, but the actions.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
We're supposed to be a sanctuary city, and what did they.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Do LAPD even last night was tear gasing and shooting
rubber bullets at protesters. I thought we were a sanctuary city.
And what are you doing helping the federal forces. You're
supposed to be protecting the people from the federal forces.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Which for and what's crazy is like the tradition for
la has been say what you want about the LAPD.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
They are a gang, they are violent.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yeah, but the traditions and all of them, all of them, right,
But the tradition has always been, but we don't really
get into the immigration thing because we can't do our
job if you're afraid to talk to us because you
think you're going to get deported. So the tradition has
always been like, oh yeah, now we don't won't enforce
none of that. And then finally I saw today the
(28:48):
city of Glendale said, all right, we're going to we're
going to terminate our deal with US Borders Customs. They said,
They're like, they're like, we're not going to do it.
We don't we don't want to work with y'all. No more,
y'all keep y'all money. We don't want our contract with
ICE anymore. You cannot have a detention center here. So
it's like that's great, Like Glendale was like, did what
(29:10):
they said? It's like, you know what, we don't need this.
We don't need this, this y'all's issue. We don't agree
with it, we don't believe in it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
This y'all's issue.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Not to mention, which is a different narrative here we
could talk about later, but like, well, Glendale's Armenian, right,
the city Armenia. And I'm like, and they they're different,
they are different.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
They're different.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, yeah, because because what about the guy who makes
our record check Check. I used to say, call him,
we used to call him check from the Armenian Project. Yeah,
matter because he because he makes some ice cubes records
and everything, but he also makes our record.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
He's in Glendale and.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
They don't they they different like fam.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, So let's move into what we're doing July third,
you know, because again I want to hold you to
a third.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Is. The is, The is the Moses to get out.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
So you know, we can't give we can't get too
much details on it because we know that they listening
to us. We know that they got us under surveillance, right,
we know they got volunteer and all of that stuff,
all that stuff that they use to you know, the
whole cointelpro and all of that stuff. So we know
they listening. But on July third, we want folks to
(30:21):
save the day because on July third, we're doing what's
called the Freedom Cruise and Rally, and it's gonna be
h It's called death Justice. Death stands for uh, kind
of like death jams, so it stands for diversity, equity,
and freedom. So it's the Freedom Cruise and Rally. Uh,
and we're gonna shut ish down right.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Uh. You know what I mean. You know it's a cruise.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
It's happening somewhere in in Los Angeles County, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
And it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I think we got a couple of car clubs that
are on deck. We got artists who're gonna be on deck. Uh,
prop gonna be on deck. Right, we got some stuff happening.
We already got some folks from some of the unions
or who are gonna.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Be on deck.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
And and yeah, man, if you got a car and
you got an issue you care about, we say, bring
your car and bring your issues.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
UH. July third some of the demands we have.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
By the way, you can guess why we chose July third,
because you know, we know fourth of July ain't really
uh and meant for all of us uh. And they yeah, yeah, yeah,
so what we and so on July third, when we
we some of our demands. Of that, California gives sends
over six hundred billion dollars to UH, to the federal government,
(31:50):
and we spent we we only received. We we received
eighty billion less than what we send them. So basically,
we were sending them an additional eighty billion dollars and
a lot of that money goes to Red states and
supporting welfare and all of that other stuff. Right, they
hate California, but they love our money. We know we
(32:11):
got the fourth largest economy in the world. Right, that
just happened not too long ago.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And so.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
We are calling on the governor to actually not push
back against the Trump administration because they started it. So, hey,
let's not Let's let's find a way not to send
them that eighty billion dollars. Right, let's wit hold that
eighty billion dollars. If you all want to play, if
you want to take it to court, let's go to court.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Let's do what we got to do. Right, That's what
it demands. The right demand is that The other.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Demand is that ICE must unmask, Right, they must unmask.
You can't come into our communities like gangsters. We don't
know who you are. We can't prove who you are.
It's unsafe for our community. Get out of our community unmasked.
The third and the third heard uh demand is to
abolish ICE. Those are national Uh. The eighty billion is
(33:05):
sort of a state strategy. The abolish ICE obviously is
a national strategy.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
And the last demand is to impeach Donald Trump. Impeach
the president. Right, So that's our demands and and uh,
part of our and and the follow up is that
we are trying to divest from plantation capitalism and reinvest
back into local communities like some of the stuff we're
(33:32):
doing in Skid Role. We talked about the market and
all of that. We ought to be doing that in Chinatown.
We ought to be doing that. In Korea Time, we
ought to be doing that. In Little Tokyo, we ought
to be doing that in Ball Heights. Come on, man Compton, Lynnwood, Yeah,
I mean Watts wherever.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
We need to We need to start focusing away from
these corporations and were already taking down Tesla. They're going
down hard right now, and Walk and Target is going now.
We need to continue to keep that going. Uh, and
not just strife, but we need to actually start diverting
resources from these organizations.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Some notes about ice. A few things that are older
than ice. So when we talk about abolishing it, so uh,
the song Skater Boy by Avril Levine, Okay, that's older
than ice, right, mister.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Elliotts, if it's worth it, let me work it. That
song is older than ice.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Exactly, Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
HoTT in Her, Yeah, hotten Here by Nell Nellie. Nelly's
song hot in Here is older than ice. So you
can't tell me. This is an institution, a long standing
and these things. These songs are older than Ice exact,
so like don't don't tell me and don't tell me
you can't do it. But I wanted to also put
(35:18):
a put a put a pin on one of the
demands when you were saying, well, why don't we just
withhold funds because I'm like, that's what Trump says all
the time.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
You don't do this, we won't send you the federal money. Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's just is just a pushback for him for what
he's talking about, right like okay.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Well, okay, word is that that is that?
Speaker 3 (35:40):
The game?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Is that the play?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Look, you made the rules, you said that's the play.
You said you ain't gonna send the money.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Okay, work, then we won't send the money exactly exact exactly.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
They need the money money more than we do.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Trust facts.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yes, I'm like, man, we say all the time like
like bru a lot of times, like man, you tell me,
you told me what it was. You know, I came
in here with just like in this protest, like we
came in here being like following all the rules telling
you because we understand we don't done through We didn't
been through this before.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
You know what I'm saying we know the rules. We
know to stay across the street.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
We know.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
You know what I'm saying, Like, we know all these
rules right and it's on now.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I'm saying like, yeah, qute, drop all the like ways
for which the audience can stay in contact with you
with y'all. I get asked all the time like what
are the what are the outlets you can you could
check on? That's gonna give you that real rap. You
know what I'm saying, You're one of the ones l
(36:48):
a Taco. There is like a big one that like
no doubt, no outside and they real you know what
I'm saying, So like, how can people stay in contact
with you?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Most definitely create on IG, create Justice underscore, Create Justice
Underscore on IG, our website creating Justice dot la. On email,
you can hit me at q that is CUI at
Creating Justice dot l a q at Creating Justice dot La.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
That's three ways you can reach me.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I gave you the email, I gave you the IG,
and I gave you the website.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
So hit us.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
You know, we got a whole lot of other stuff,
but if you can catch me on one of those,
you know you can get the rest of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
And if you're in the city, like and you going
to any of these things, you going see you gonna
see Q right here.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yeah, yeah, And we opened.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
We also got a Piece and Hilling Center in schedule
one sixteen East fifth Street on the Nickel And so
we uh, we definitely opened today for protesters and folks
who are on the street who want to refresh or
regroup or whatever.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Come through the Piece and Hilling Center.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Get you something to drink, cool out for a minute
in the in the ac do you know, do what
you gotta do before you do what you gotta do.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
That's man, that's right. Look you you no use to
us exhausted, you know. Yeah yeah, So like people always
ask me, like how do I how do I stay balanced?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
How do this?
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I'm like, I'm no use to the movement if I'm exhausted.
So like, you know, get your food, take care of yourself.
Speaker 4 (38:25):
You gotta take care of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Man, to take care of yourselves. Yeah, all right, you
appreciate you, man, appreciate your time. I'm gonna see you
in about an hour.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
It is yeah, having me man, thank you.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
All right, right, love one love, all right now, don't
you hit stop on this pod. You better listen to
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(38:58):
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Speaker 1 (40:00):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.