YSAGDS feat Robert Evans

My Pod OG, Robert Evens discusses how the the principle remains true, If there is no consequences, the actions will keep happening 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well we'll record Jesus, Okay, let's do it. I'm finishing
this thought though. But yeah, it's just like the chance
that a politician just has a moment just to show
your human and just kind of be like, listen, man,
I get it, Castro sucks, I get it, Communism sucks.

(00:22):
But then some really good cigars. See, I don't even care,
Like I mean, I have my opinions about Cuba, which
is that they're not particularly any worse than any other
kintry out there, right like I can. Yeah, they've done
a bunch of fucked up ship but like I'm living
in the United States of America, we have got nothing
to talk about there. Um like, let us let us

(00:43):
have fucking quality cigars because they are better, like they're
they're just very Cuba is the best at making tobacco.
Everyone's agreed on this for a long time. Yes, it's
objectively better. I just don't know. Yeah, just here's your chance.
You know what, let me introduce the show politics. We
talked about cigars right now, how it ticks y'all? The

(01:10):
homie Robert Evans, you know what I'm saying. One of
the o g s, one of the b gs that
brought your boy into the building, not top Mount Robert Evans, Hey,
how is how is it going? Hey there, hello, fellow kids. Good,
which leads me to the next thing. I was gonna say, Robert,
you white as hale. I'm oh, my god, so white. However,

(01:31):
however white you're thinking like this whiter just and just
a big white dude. I got. If I were to
describe to you the tacos my mom for mad made
for us when I was a kid, you would go,
my god, that is that is? I would say, those
are not indibly white? That would that would be fair?
My answers, yeah, oh man, oh man, that's good. Didn't know.

(01:54):
So here's the thing. I feel like you're the perfect
person to talk this through one because you're an expert
in the topic, and not only the the allegory topic,
but also the political topic. And my thought is this,
you're a rather large white man, and I my backstory

(02:18):
A lot of people know. By now, I've had a
chance to move a lot, you know, I've lived in
a lot of different environments. Started office out central living
a lot of grew up with mostly Latinos, went to
a very diverse high school um and out in the
Inland Empire, you know, so there's a good amount of
white So all that to say, I've had chance to
spend a decent amount of time with white people, and uh,

(02:40):
in a in a way that I was able to
sort of humanize and understand sort of different deep cuts
and variations of man aids that y'all come in. And
I appreciate it now, you know, hopping the bus go
to go down to Dogtown and skating Nympty pulls, you
know what I'm saying, and knowing surfer bros, knowing like

(03:02):
the pothead white boys and then yeah that was that
was that was more of my set. Yeah, yeah, white
you know what I'm saying That Like y'all discovered Bob
Marley one day and back upon the day, yes, and
all of a sudden your life change once you discovered
Bob Marley. But the point I'm trying to make is this,
there's most definitely discovering death. Yes, yeah, that just you

(03:24):
just oh man, that just made me like you even more.
That just made me like But there was a life
and marvelous times. But anyway, yes, yes, uh, there's a
few things that I've learned and actually applied even to
my way of life now that I learned from hanging
white boys. It's y'all are fearless. And I think you're

(03:45):
fearless in very specific ways because there's some areas that
like when I would say little things like hey, what
are you doing this weekend, I'm like, um, go to
my grandma's house. Where's your grandma live? I would be
like south Central Los Angeles? And they're like, you're going where?
And I'm like, WHOA hold up? You're down to jump
off a cliff when you're scared to go to South Central?

(04:09):
Like you know, so just this weird. So you have
a very specific type of fearlessness that I've learned to admire.
And what that is is you just don't expect knows. Yeah,
it's I mean because you you don't. You don't get
a lot of them. You do, but not in the
kind of way everybody else does, right like you get

(04:31):
you get. Uh. It's it's kind of like the way
like you fear the police. Like everyone gets nervous when
the cops pulling behind them, but like it's a real
different kind of nervous if you're if you're a white dude,
because it's not are they going to shoot me? It's
a maybe. It's at worst, our man, are they're going
to search my car and find my weed? If you
grew up somewhere where you know weed is penalized. But

(04:52):
even then it's it's abstract, and like that's the kind
of thing. The idea of no is abstract in in
a lot of cases, and it's it's one of those
things that's like, you know, even beyond because I didn't
grow up with a lot of um, you know, like family.
I didn't grow up with really any family money, but
I did grow up with that, with that um that

(05:12):
that sense that like, yeah, no is is an abstract Yeah,
it's it's no is a suggestion. Yeah, I found, you know,
and and around no, you can get around no. Uh.
And and also I found just not a fear of consequences.

(05:36):
And it's just or like you just don't assume they're
going to be consequences for your actions, or if you do,
just talk your way out of it. Is that am
I tripping? Or is that something like nails? No? That
that's that's what so I I have always been, you know,
especially when I'm like partying with mixed race groups of
people Um, I'm I'm the cop talker guy. I've had

(06:00):
do it in a number of situations, both in cities
and like at one point in time, some friends of
mine were getting married in the middle of the woods
on another friend of mine's property, throwing like a huge
like light shows and fireworks that we had like a
perfect like it was crazy as bullshit, and like a
line of fucking like six police SUVs rolled onto the

(06:20):
land from a report from the neighbor, and like I
was tripping on acid and still ran down there, like
I was the point man to deal with that sort
of thing, because like, um, I've know even if you're
fucking tripping on acid and a half naked, if you're
a tall white guy and you approach the cops in
the right way, right, there's there's still a way to
approach them. You can set things off on a good
or a bad term. But yeah, I've always been like

(06:42):
that guy. I learned to talk to the cops at
a very early age. Um, and I got I got
good at it, and it's some of it is just
like it doesn't mean you're not like scared of the cops,
because believe me, I am, um, but it just means
you It's kind of like if you have spent time
in the wilderness and you have encountered wild animals that

(07:02):
could potentially be dangerous, and you know how to handle them,
like a wild dog or a coyote, you know, a
pack of coyotes or something. The way to handle them
is to make yourself seem larger. You act in a
certain way, you talk in a certain way. Doesn't mean
you're not also frightened of those animals. It just means
you know that running away from them isn't isn't the
probat way to for you to handle them? Yeah? Yeah,

(07:24):
that see this, this this is perfect. So I feel
like there's this like because you're like, I know what
I'm doing, consequences really aren't going to be that bad.
That like it to me, it's like, so then there's
no fear of like running into a pack of wild
animals again, Like, so the lesson I'm going to learn

(07:46):
is not probably shouldn't go over there, it's if I do,
it'll be fine. Yeah, it depends, like it depends because
so so like for a little bit of perspective, the
first time anybody if her pointed a gun at me,
it was a cop. I was twelve, so I and
trigger obviously. Yeah, And again I'm not trying to say

(08:06):
like it was the same level of freaked out because
even that, even when that was happening as a kid,
it was frightening, but I didn't really see the possibility
that the cop was going to fucking shoot me. Um,
it was it was just nerve racking. Um. And uh
so I do I've gotten good at like avoiding them
to Um, It's just you know, sometimes I guess I've

(08:28):
been able to accept as as opposed to if I
didn't have the kind, if I wasn't a fucking big
white dude, I think I would have made some choices
that would have not put me in certain situations. And
instead I was like, well, I'm still going to try
to avoid interfacing with the police, but if it happens,
I know how to deal with it, and so I'll
continue to put myself in these situations where it might happen. Um,

(08:49):
it wasn't like a I'm never excited to do it.
It's never fun to do it. It's also not an
unknown and it's not I have like a dozen case
studies in the past. I can look to his times
like it didn't get fucked up for me. Yes, that's look,
I I love this. This is this is exactly what
I wanted to cover. And as a side note, as
you were explaining, like which I love, It's not that

(09:12):
I'm not nervous, like when you know, everybody understands, you know,
on this show that like I propaganda, traveled a lot,
I did a lot of things, so I was never
an active gang banger, you know. But I've lived in
these areas and among them for most of my life,
and the premise of the show is like understanding how

(09:34):
everybody knows, understanding how how how they work, and because
of that, having to figure out how to live my
normal life in and in between whatever what was happening
among hood activities. But like we said all the time,
like the interactions with hood niggas is unavoidable, you know.

(09:55):
And it's not that I'm not in any other way,
shape or form. I'm all is aware that this situation
is dangerous. But I'm not scared in the sense that
I don't know what I'm doing. You know what I'm
saying now to talk to I know what not to
say to these dudes. I'm not gonna purposefully put myself
in this situation. You know what I'm saying, Like, if

(10:16):
I know for a fact, maybe maybe Google is saying
if I go down sixty, I'll get get to my
house quicker. I'm like, uh, I'll go down you know,
I'm just I'm just not gonna like it is. Yeah,
you know what depressing what not to press. But there
was a there was a moment during the protest last
year where I was filming, you know, some people getting

(10:37):
arrested because it's you want to keep an eye on
the cops when they're doing that, because that's when folks
tend to get sucked up. And there was this was
during the brief period of time less you're in Portland,
there was a curfew and a group of cops said like, hey,
we're going to arrest you because you're out past the curfew.
And I was like, well, the curfew specifically exempts press.
I'm marked press, I'm doing my job. And he's like,
I'm going to arrest you. Like what, you're going to

(10:58):
get arrested. And the the thing that I said to
him was and it was because I knew again, I
I knew that this would work on him. This was
like the language to use, sir, are you countermanding the
mayor's orders? Never know to say that, and ituk the
switch in his head. And it was fine. But then
there was this protester who came up and started like

(11:19):
talking shipped to the police, and when the police started
like threatening him with arrest, he put his hands in
his pockets and that was like both me and my
partner like whoa, no, no, no, no, no, put our
hands up. Yeah, yeah, you do not put your hands
out sucking pockets around the cop. And it is like
it is this level of like it's a it's a language,
you know, like it's it's the same thing with what
you're talking about, Like you you understand that language. It's

(11:40):
not all a verbal language. Some of it's a spatial language,
like well I could go down this street, but that
means accepting this and this and this, and I don't
need that right now, like I don't need it with
yeah exactly, Yeah, I understand it. So that's great. So
this is perfect. This episode is one of those kind
of in some kind of like you know, kind of

(12:03):
turning turning the the informer and inform E on its head,
kind of situation. It's not a full you know, Garrison
read me a story styles, but it's more let's have
a discussion. I'm not the only expert in this conversation. Conversation.
Right early on when we joined the I Heart Network,

(12:23):
I did an episode uh called shut the funk Up
you ain't gonna do Ship right, And and the premise
is something that I feel like is what we're getting
at when if if you're the aggressor, right, and you're
making choices, doing whatever you're gonna do, and you know
for a fact there's no consequences because this person you

(12:46):
pushing towards ain't really gonna do nothing. You just keep
doing it. Yeah right, yeah, because you're not gonna you're
not gonna stop me. Let's just say that it's called
the first mover advantage. And in psychology, yeah, yeah, why
I didn't know that you just gave this whole. I
thought it was that you ain't gonna do ship. No,
there's a whole. There's a whole. There's a whole, like

(13:06):
a branch of like evolutionary psychology that studies over confidence,
and like, OK, why people are over confidence? And it's
generally because like if you have two people competing for
a resource and they're equally matched, but one person is
unreasonably confident he's gonna go for that. The other person
is likely to back off. He'll get the resource more often, so,
which is why you gotta call people on ship, you know, like, yeah,

(13:29):
you just explained the whole You just explained the insurrection
is yeah, exactly, that's exactly what happened, right, we just
did it. You just took the way out of the
whole show, because that's the answer. It's like, it's just
this type of in a good way, this type of
over confidence that I'm just so fascinated by. And the
thought to me was I was looking at it as like, oh,

(13:52):
because said don't happen to him. M yeah, that is
why I mean, yeah, yeah. If if that was a
crowd full of people who had all been like maced
and arrested and beaten by cops before, they wouldn't have
tried this ship they tried, they would have had the
same they would have been thinking what you and I
were thinking when we watched the insurrection was like, yeah,
where's the fucking tear gas? Like, where's where's the fucking sticks?

(14:15):
Y'all still alive. How do you do that? I've seen
cops shoot moms in the face with like rubber bullets
over less than this. What are you guys doing? They
just they walked in, they walked in two the abstract
version of the US infrastructure, and was like, yeah, I

(14:36):
ain't gonna do ship and I'm bugging because I'm like okay.
So many months later, so many investigations later, they were
right and and and not only were they right, they

(14:59):
did it again. There was a recent you know, unite
the Right rally right that happened, uh a few weeks ago,
right am, I lyon um? I mean they didn't really
and not a lot of them came to d C,
but they decent number of them showed up in like
Salem and a couple other like state capitals. Like they're
still rallying, you know, they're like yeah, like the Proud

(15:19):
Boys have not been any less active since their whole
leadership got rolled up. Um, because it's it's not as
a cephalis as you know, like some of the people, uh,
you know, as headless as some of the people confronting them.
But also it's pretty easy, like you don't have to
have a strong leadership structure to get a bunch of
dudes and fucking Fred Perry Polos to show up and

(15:40):
fight people in a state capital. It doesn't take that much, yes,
of Fred Perry Polos. God, you have a way with
worse sometimes. Yeah. So I was reading I was reading

(16:33):
up on the follow up because, like I said, by
prediction when the insurrection happened was this is going to
keep happening in certain ways because day ain't gonna get
no consequences. They're they're not afraid of any sort of
consequences and if they get them, it'll be a joke. Right.
So so, uh six according to AP news six you

(16:57):
know charges right, seventy six federal please right, yeah yeah,
federal yeah please? Of guilty one full got eight months, yeah,
so far one and the first sentence got no jail time.
That oathkeeper probably because she rolled on people Indiana woman, right, Yeah,
but yeah, no, it's and and I think, you know,

(17:19):
there's just the thing on Matt out with a judge
who was very angry at the sentencing, and we should
be angry about the sentencing. It is a little early
to say, because again most of them haven't been sentenced yet,
so we'll we'll see, but I'm not super optimistic, you know. Yeah,
And even then, Like, here's the thing. I think what
a lot of them are looking at is how the

(17:41):
Republican like Congress people have reacted and changed around on
the insurrection. Because my prediction is that in every Republican
running is going to be promising pardons for the capital rioters.
So I think a lot of them are looking at
this like, well, I either get eight months and if
I get more is going to around and I'll get
freed as a you know, political prisoner. Damn. That's my prediction.

(18:08):
So they're like, if I get it, I'm just gonna
like take my little vacation, you know, y'all put some
money on my books. It'll be fine, take care of
my kids. I see you in Yeah, I mean I'm
sure it's yeah, if you win the ship's it's like,
yeah to three years, I mean that's a vacation. Yeah.
And I'm sure a bunch of I'm sure some of
them are worried. There's some people who are getting some
like you know, some who will do some serious time.

(18:30):
But it's not now what you not even what you
saw for like the BLM protest last year. You know,
you've got people looking at like a hunt and not
what you see for like pipelines. You've got two people
looking at a hundred and one years for like sabotaging
pipeline equipment in a very mild way. So when we
got eight years for a minor act of property destruction
to stop eight year building of a pipeline, eight years

(18:51):
and a million something like a million dollars in fines, um,
I'll be surprised if any if not as certainly not
many capital rioters get any kind of commensurate sentence because, um, yeah,
it's it's it's it's it really is. Yeah, it really is. Uh.
Something that you you taught me recently was like you know,

(19:13):
of which I knew in some senses that this, this
the insurrection was really like a culmination of a bunch
of little ones. And I don't know why in my
brain I didn't tie Jason Kessler and like the you know,
in the Charlottesville thing into sort of the same almost
like trajectory of of like incidences that kind of maybe

(19:37):
culminated in that in my is this a good uh?
Is that a good read on that? Like? Am I
saying this wrong or is that no, no, no, I
think yeah. So I'm wondering if you know of, uh,
any other scenarios of past things where food's just completely

(19:59):
got like slaps on their hands for there. Let me
tell you about Skylar Journe again. And as I tell
you about Skylar Journe again, I want you to I
want you to look this type that name in s
k y l O r j E R in I
G A N and I hate that I know how
to spell his name from memory. He's a area. You know,
he's one of these people talk about like oh it's
the Proud Boys, or is this or that he's one

(20:19):
of these kind of like in the middle of all
these groups. He's always there. He's kind of affiliated with
all of them. I don't think that he has specific
membership in one of them. For one more time. Skylark
y l O r l r j Jurne again j J.
That's why he's a powerful in cell energy. Look, I

(20:44):
don't want to be like he powerful. And when I
say powerful in cell energy, I mean he's like very
obviously in like the videos most madly in love with
this local white nationalist Hayley Adams, who has no interest
in him, and he shows up at these protests with
like knives, tactical gear that like never fits or is
like anything like reasonable or competent, talking about how he's gonna,

(21:07):
you know, it's time to start killing. It's time to
like saying like fucking school shooters, ship like he's got
like powerful in cell mash shooter energy. And sure enough,
last year at a one of these stupid back the
Blue protests that like twenty of them did, they were
like leaving and a bunch of anti fascists were yelling
at them, um, but not like you know, maybe chucking

(21:28):
bottles at their car as they were leaving, and he
fired a nine millimeter handgun into a crowd, um, and
thankfully didn't fucking hit anybody, but everyone knew what was
gonna happen. He gets charged and arrested for it, and
he gets off without any jail time firing a gun
into a crowd. Not a day, not no jail time.
He's got some fucking probation. Um, he's definitelyna. Meanwhile, again

(21:48):
there's people doing time for lighting dumpsters on fired um,
although not the guy they talk about doing time for
lighting dumpsters and fire because that was a plea bargain
that included domestic abuse. But whatever. There are people who
who got time for lighting like trash fires and ship um,
but Skyler doesn't do any time because he's fucking Skylar,
because he's because he's a right winger. He's a white

(22:09):
right wing kid um and continues to show up at
protests and like I don't know, keeps rolling the dice.
It's all of these like school shooter dice with these motherfucker's. Um.
There's another one, Tessa Tala Tozie, who's not a white
guy but is on the right. Was was a big
proud boy until he felt with the Proud boys. And
it's just kind of like a prominent right wing brawler
um gets into a lot of like beating people in

(22:31):
the street, usually as part of like a gang of
folks beating people in the street. He's the he's the
dude who got shot in the ankle recently. Uh yeah yeah,
And that's so that fucking story is so weird. Um.
So the guy who shot him, it's just more has
come out about him and he's claiming that he got
shot by a right winger at an earlier Olympia rally,
like shot in the arm and the guy who shot him.

(22:52):
There is a right winger who shot a guy and
didn't get charged. Um because again the cops don't charge
these people. Yeah yeah, but this get guy and this
kid is not white either by the way. Um, so
it's and was a claims a jester, which is a
weird career for like an anarchist activist. He's he's a
strange dude. Um, I don't know much about him, but

(23:14):
he's he's going to get the book thrown at him,
like he's already been arrested. He's got like assault with
a deadly weapon. Um, you know. And it's just like this,
you can see the another good case and like the
kind of uh disproportionate nature. So like when there's a
shooting last year, the one fatal shooting we had over
this where um Jay Danielson gets shot dead outside of

(23:36):
and again a parking garage in downtown Portland's by Michael
Rhinol and the way that like we have video of
the shooting, it's pretty clear what happened. Jay and this
other guy he was with, who are both like well
known right wing brawlers along history of assaulting. People were
covered in weapons. They had handguns, they had batons, they
had mace. Uh, there's rumors one of them had a knife.

(23:57):
And we see on the footage them like running towards
Mike with weapons in their hands like sticks and mace,
and he shoots and kills one of them. Um, and
then he runs, which legally isn't the thing you want
to do. But Trump bragged later about like they they
sent the U. S. Marshalls after him, hunted him down
and gunned down in the street. Um, and Trump bragged like, well,
we didn't want to arrest him, we just wanted to

(24:17):
kill him, so we did, like he talked about that. Meanwhile,
the year before, um, a kid, Sean Keller Heer Armenio
is the name he went by, who was an anti
fascist protester, gets run down in the street, like killed
by a fucking car. And it was very much as this,
we know, a political murder. The police just have refused
to investigate it, like they're just not looking into the

(24:38):
ship at all and any meaningful capacity. He Intercept has
done really good reporting on like the Portland Police's refusal
to investigate this kid's murder. And so it is it
doesn't always break down on racial lines because against some
of the people who are you know, being uh discommensurately
punished on the left are white and some of the
people who are being whose crimes are being ignored on

(24:59):
the or not. But it's it's all about kind of
white supremacy and like kind of where you stand on
on reinforcing that. And if you're if you're supporting those ideals,
then you can, even if you're not white, to an extent,
benefit from the laws uh willingness to ignore those kind
of crimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think that

(25:22):
what that the lesson they're all learning is that, yeah,
if we work with these people, y'are not gonna do ship. Yeah,
like I can get away with the ship until I can't,
you know, and like any red blooded American, that's what
you're gonna do. I'm gonna get away with it until

(25:42):
I can get away with it. Yep. Yeah. And it's
it's that's the thing about fascists in general, is they
take as much as you'll give them. It's the thing
that punk's learned a long time ago, which is if
you have like a fucking punk bar and some Nazi
punks show up, you beat the piss out of them
that night, because if they get the feeling, one of
them can come in for a drink and not get hassled.

(26:03):
He'll bring two friends the next time, and they'll bring
two friends, and then it's a Nazi bar in a week.
You see, this is why, this is why we need
to do more cross cultural like punk, hip hop, gangster ship,
because this is the exact rule in the same episode
that shut then Up, You're gonna do ship episode that

(26:23):
which I'm pretty sure if I asked you, you would
know the same rules. Like a matter of fact, let's
just test it, because I'm pretty sure you know. Let's
just say those you're walking out of this punk bar
by yourself full five Nazi dudes come around the corner,
and you're like, all right, they're finn A. They're gonna
jump me, and I'm probably gonna get mocked. So I

(26:46):
believe that there are three cardinal rules when you know
you're about to get jumped, and I bet you you're
gonna get two out of three of these exactly the
same as mine. So we're your three cardinal rules you
know you're about to get jumped. Geez Um, it's probably
been a while, but still protect your fucking head. Number one. UM,

(27:08):
I don't know, swing first. Uh, if you know what's
gonna fucking happen, you know, yeah, go for it and
uh protect your head. Um, don't pull a fucking knife.
Um no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're I mean you're
pretty close because I was, Yeah, we what we say
is this like my and and it's it's like almost

(27:31):
I mean it's it's it's almost the same. It's like,
first of all, yeah, protect my head, you know, don't
let nobody get behind me, you know what I'm saying,
because then you're done, and like yes, and one and
swing first and just go eight ship on one of them,
Like I just need one of y'all, like like exactly

(27:55):
one of these. Yes, I don't care mercy list, don't
play fair, one of y'all knee to go home scarred
for life. I'm gonna lose, you know, and then find
my way out. I'm saying, But like, but one do
y'all need to know? And I and my my My
theory is like like you said, yea is like that's
it is universal, like you just know that you have

(28:18):
to do these things or it's going to happen again. Yeah. Yes,
they're going to come get you again, you know, and
because they learned you ain't gonna do ship yep, yep, yeah,
and you have to you have to. It's the same
thing like when you're well, no, I probably shouldn't tell

(28:42):
that story, okay, no, no, Stitchen, Yeah yeah, but you
know it's you know, it's again you that's the that's
the hack from the the whole thing where like the
overconfident like there's this there's this tendency like to talk
about the Dunning Krueger effect, like everybody knows that now
it's through the internet. You know, people are over and
to just be like, well that's just idiots. Idiots are

(29:04):
overconfident about their abilities, like no, no, no, no no, no, yeah,
it's they may be wrong about their level of confidence.
In fact, they generally are and it may be like
silly in some ways, but it's a good strategy because
when you're that kind of dumb, you win a lot
of the time. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's definitely times when
you're trying to like just because I feel like facts truth,

(29:26):
well researched stuff. It takes a while to build your argument,
and it's like you're time the time. It's especially like
what I found even watching let's just say watching like
we'll use Trump Trump's debates. It's like in his three minutes,
the guy said seventy two absolutely false things, you know

(29:50):
what I'm saying, And I'm like, I don't know how
to where do I even start? Like how do I
But he's so confident about it. It's like I don't
even know. I don't e Like I'm so demoralized even
in my ability to try to answer you because he
was so confident, said it's so fast, it's just truth
takes a while, Like I have to go, okay, well
let's go back to this, you know, and then that's boring.

(30:12):
That's not good TV, that's not good conversational things. So
it puts me in a position to where it's like, well,
I guess I'm just like my only answer is like, God,
you're a freaking idiot. I don't know what you say.
Well prove me wrong. Like I hate that. I think
of that, like that meme that goes around where like
it's a person sitting at a table and it says

(30:32):
some sort of outlandish thing and then it says proved
me wrong on the bottom of it. Yeah, although there
was one that was pretty funny which I saw yesterday,
which said dim kids Deserved to Die proved me wrong.
And it was Freddy Krueger, Jason Michael Myers. Right, So
it was all the guys for like the eighties and
nineties horror films like you Kids Deserves that proved me wrong.

(30:55):
It's like, yeah, no, now you're right, bro. They I
don't know what the hell they're doing. Why you keep
going to this lake is beyond staving that lake, staying
the lake. There's nothing that that lake for you. Nothing there.

(31:38):
So moving forward, So in the spirit of like what
we really want to do with politics with it can
happen here Cool Zone, and even just the tone of
like my last music and poetry projects, it's the idea
of like, what's that better future? I feel like sometimes
I'm I'm pushed into this like conundrum here, like here,

(31:59):
here's a good example of it. When the whole movement
of like arrest the cops that killed Brianna Taylor. Yeah,
you know that, I understand understand it obviously, but you're
asking me to appeal to the same system that killed
her to hold her just you know what I'm saying.
And I'm like, there's and and like here, here, here,

(32:22):
listen to me, y'all. They ain't break a law, and
that's the problem you're I'm saying, like, the problem is
you appealing to a law that ain't there to protect us.
So then what's our what are so do? I ask
this babylon that I'm like, I also think needs to
fall to hold accountable these weirdos that keep getting away

(32:49):
with ship, which is why it keeps happening. So I'm like,
what what what do we do? Robert? What do we do?
I mean, it's it's sucked up because like like you
look at um, what's that the fucker's name, the guy
who killed George Floyd, that piece of ship. You look
at him getting sentence to murder and going away, and
um the guy that killed who now the guy who
murdered George Floyd? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. You look

(33:12):
at him, and you look at you know the fact
that he did he did get convicted of murder, and
it's like it threw us a body. We appreciate it, yeah,
you yeah, it's good that he's punished and it's not.
It's not just good that he's punished because like, funk
that dude. It's good that he's punished because like, maybe
the next cop he's got his fucking knee on a
black dude's neck will think twice um, and maybe it'll
save a life. But it doesn't mean anything about the system.

(33:34):
The system only convicted shown for a couple of reasons.
Number one, it was just too far out of the
fucking like that. It was too too much Like even
Trump was like, well that's fucked up right, yeah, um,
but it doesn't like like with Brianna Taylor, it's like,

(33:54):
do I want those guys to get punished? Well, yeah,
of course I do. They fucking shot a woman to
death in her own home for no reason. Yes, I
would like for them to to suffer as a result
of that. Um do is there Like it's this weird
thing where it's like, I don't think it's bad to
try to hurt those people, especially since it might mean
other folks like them are less likely to hurt people

(34:16):
in the future. I don't think it's going to really
solve anything. As a rule, I don't think it's particularly
likely to work, which it didn't in Brianna Taylor's kids.
You know, the best we got out of that was
at least your fucking boyfriend didn't get sentenced with anything,
you know. Um, And you know it's this, it's this.
It's not just this is not just a matter of
like prosecuting cops who murder people. It's it's a matter

(34:39):
of like it's a whole question about like electoralism, but
engaging with the system at all? Is it ever worth
it to engage with the system? Um? And I don't.
I don't have an answer for you. I'm not gonna say,
like I think there's an argument to be made for
like voting, for trying to prosecute these people for as
like harm reduction. Um, but it's a not a clear

(34:59):
it's not an argument that I can say is right.
It's just an argument, you know. Yeah, Because like I
go back and forth every day myself on the map. Yes,
me too. It's like there's the part of me that's
like you're in the ocean, you gotta swim. I mean,
this is the system we have, and you know what
I'm saying. So if it's the one we have, I
think about like the George Floyd Act, that just got
shut down, you know what I'm saying. So that might

(35:20):
have done something. That might have done something. But I'm like,
but I'm like, which one of us is surprised? Yeah,
that shi got you know what I'm saying, Like that
it didn't you know, Like it's like like at some
point you start looking at your own psychosis of like
why such an abusive relationship here? Man? Like why do

(35:40):
I keep appealing to you? You know? But I'm but
at the same time, like you said, I mean, right now,
it's all we got, you know what I'm saying. So
then my next thought is like, well, what if we
on board the homies like us into this system? You
know what I'm saying. But I'm like, it couldn't have been.

(36:02):
We couldn't have been the first generation that thought of that,
that's said you know, hey, well what if we elected
our people and put a bit position you know. I
mean it's like, I'm feeling this was supposed to end
on a high note, but this is ending very bleak. Uh.
But I would ask one more question I would ask

(36:24):
is like, do you see any predictions moving forward as
far as like the evolution of this of this of
this movement? I know. I already know generally because we
talked about it a trillion times, like where we think
this is gonna go. But do you think we'll see

(36:47):
another attempt on the capitol? He I don't know, because
I think at this point the capital security isn't going
to allow the exact same thing that happened. I think
the next attempt on tempt on the capitol will probably
be electoral and will probably be the result of like
a bunch of state level Like at the state level,
you can you've already seen like these kind of insurrectionist

(37:10):
Republicans taking over local election offices right to try to
make sure that they can if the votes go against
their candidate next time, just ignore them. You know. That's
the thing that's going to happen, and it's going to
be And then and then that maybe when a very
clearly elite like when what they do is very clearly
illegal but is supported by the Supreme Court and supported
at the state level by these state level institutions they've

(37:32):
taken over, then these right wing militias and gangs may
take to the streets to do violence against the lists
of people they have. I think that's that's possible that's
the thing I see is really the threat at the moment. Yeah,
I've been calling it the what bike energy um. And
what I mean by that is like you got your

(37:53):
new bike, ride down the street and some guy goes
as cool bike, let me see it, and you're like,
you want to let me just use it right quick,
I ain't gonna do ship man, chill. And then they
start riding your bike and they like thanks, and you're like, yo,
can I get my bike back? And they're like what bike?
So like your your bike's gone, you know what I mean. So,
so it's gone, there's like what bike? And then buy

(38:15):
your backpack? You know what I'm saying, Yeah what backpack?
You're just like damn it, you know what I mean.
So to me, it's like I feel like that's the
next evolution is the what bike energy. So when you
go hey, look you know progressive candidate Hey just won
their district, they're like what candidate? Yeah? Yeah, what can
what candidate? One? What? Yeah? No, they didn't they ain't

(38:37):
win ship. You're like, uh uh yeah they did. They did?
They know they didn't. They ain't win ship. We ain't
see it. I don't see them where they at and
you're like, God, and it's just and it's like and
and and in it's like, I reckon, that's gangster ship.
Like I recognize it. I'm like, that's that's that's the

(38:59):
route going. It's just and you got and if you
got the like like you said, the confidence and the
the lack of fear of consequence, what the hell you
I mean, y'all ain't gonna do shit? Yeah yeah, yeah,
that's uh, that's I mean, that's what they're bringing to it.

(39:21):
That's the energy they're bringing to it. And that's like
they're taking the steps. Uh. The right answer is to say,
like this is what and this is what downy um.
You know, it's not like a hopeless situation because our
option isn't just sit back and take it um. But
but you know, there's there are points before we get

(39:43):
to where the only option is function up. But fucking
shut up. You know, has to you have to be
willing to function. Has to be on the table. It
has to be on the table, because if they know
it's not on the table, they know you ain't gonna
do ship there it is. Robert is ready to live
among the gangs. By that answer, just like fucking sh it.

(40:04):
Up has to be on the table. It's gonna be
on the It's got to be on the table, you
know what I'm saying, Like you know, and if it's
not you, you know, you can never get no new shoes,
You can never get no new bike, no new backpack,
no nothing, because the second you get it, it's not yours.
No more. Up has to be on the table. When
you spend time in in sketchy places, you come to

(40:27):
learn how to determine whether or not someone is like dangerous,
and any motherfucker can like hurt people or kill people
if they have like a gun or a knife, because
weapons are are are inherently are inherently potentially dangerous. But
there's there are people who are dangerous and you can
you can see it. And what it is, what what
you can see is like you, violence for you is

(40:48):
an option in the same way as like pulling a
flashlight out of my pocket is for me. It's a
tool and it wouldn't mean any more to you than
pulling that fucking flashlight out of your pocket. It's on
the table for you always and when you when you
see that in people, you gotta take those people very
fucking seriously, and yes you do, yes you do. You
have to just know homie is dangerous. Be cool, you

(41:12):
know what I'm saying. Like we're sitting here, we're enjoying
a beer right now, you know. And so for me,
like you know, growing up in between black and Latino neighborhoods,
how that plays out is very different. I remember, Like
sitting sitting with the Vatos is usually just that guy.
Don't never talk louder than this, you don't never talk
faster than this. And he's like, hey, bro, hey, hey man,

(41:35):
you need to calm down. Yeah, Like when you get
to that, you're like he finished, he finished, stab you,
y'all said, chill because he's about to stab you and
it's gonna be so fast that like, hey, bro, and
I think you should relax. Man. Yeah you good. It'll
be fast and it won't mean anymore to him than
closing a dead bolt on the door, you know exactly. Yeah, yes, Rob,

(42:00):
thank you, thank you, thank you. It's a long time
coming for pulling up, dropping the knowledge, showing your uh,
showing you got a little hood pass on you, you
know what I'm saying, and uh, and just dropping the
science on us and I see it looks like you've
got a little haircut, oh jeezy a couple of weeks ago.
I mean it's it's looks good at getting to the
shaggy stage. But yeah, I'm I'm out of the pandemic

(42:23):
hair stage. Oh man, there's no way in the world
my followers don't know who you are. Well, now, there's
a way in the world they don't know who you are.
It's it's possible. So shout out all your all your
things where they could hear you, and you can find
my podcast every day. It could happen here every week.

(42:43):
There's Behind the Bastards And I have a book called
After the Revolution you can find for free on a
t r book dot com. So dope, thank you so much.
Shout out Sophie on mute right now. Uh like your
season coming up. You know what I'm saying. It's about
to be a good day. And uh, I appreciate you
pulling up Robert were good. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for

(43:04):
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