December 19, 2025 • 19 mins
"We got him." Police announced overnight they'd found the person responsible for the shooting at Brown University. They confirmed that the suspect is also responsible for the shooting death of an MIT professor this week. Amy and T. J. go through the winding investigation that ultimately was helped by a brave bystander who encountered the suspect.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, that folks did is Friday, December nineteenth, and a
breaking story overnight. Police say that the man responsible for
the mass shooting at Brown University is dead. But the
other new information is they say he's also responsible for
killing an professor. And with that, welcome to this because
(00:23):
a little early and breaking episode here of Amy and TJ.
Ropes for whatever reason was we were going to bed
last night, we said, hey, we're probably gonna have to
hop up again on early there was some sense that
they were about to get this guy last Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
They were teasing the news media, so to speak, earlier
in the evening saying we think we have our guy,
we think we know or we've identified our person of interest.
And we went to bed around nine something last night,
and everything broke wide open in the hours that followed
into the early hours of this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And so we wake up this morning and a lot
of you are going to be waking up and getting
this news that, yes, the person responsible for the shooting
at Brown University had left two students dead another nine injured.
And we found out the person responsible for the shooting
death of an MIT professor two days after that shooting
was the responsibility all of that one man they have
(01:17):
now identified as Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente, forty eight year
old man, who was found dead of a self inflicted
gunshot wound and of all places, a storage facility in Salem.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
This story, I guess we're getting the details and starting
to piece this together now, but it was kind of extraordinary,
and right now we don't have a whole lot of
answers as to why.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No, we know a few connections that police have been
able to string together. But it's even fascinating how they
caught this guy in the first place. You woke me up,
I think I turned over at two am and you said, babe,
they got him, and he killed the MIT professor too,
And I was like, oh my god. But I tried
not to process too much of it because I wanted
to go back and sleep.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Which I did.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
But yes, waking up and seeing these details, it is
fascinating because yesterday or it was the day before that,
we had police come out and say, hey, we have
a second person we want to find because we think
this second person will help us find our person of interest.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
And turns out they were right.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
That was the right move to make.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So folks we're gonna get you called up and give
you the very latest about what we're talking about here.
But the shooter, police say the shooter is no longer
out there. That shooter is dead, Cloudio Manuel Nevis Valente,
forty eight years old. We're going to get more information
about him. But that is the person police say we
have been seeing for the past week on all those
surveillance videos that they have been putting out. Then robe
(02:39):
what yesterday, the day before, they started to focus on
a person of interest that they made clear was not
a suspect, but they thought interacted with the suspect at
some point. I'm like, hmm, weird. How did they know that?
Now the story's out, like, holy.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Hell, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah. So, yes, he actually encountered the Cloudio Valente in
the bathroom and he said he wasn't wearing the appropriate
clothes for the weather outside, and he thought it was unusual.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So I actually thought this is pretty remarkable. He followed
him out rope.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
They say this all the time, don't aren't we trained?
Now we see something out of place. This was so
out of place that he took it upon himself to
follow the guy.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I cannot imagine doing that, but he did.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
He follows him out there, and then he sees more
suspicious behavior because Valente goes to get into his vehicle
and then just locks it and keeps walking hurriedly around
the corner.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
He said, unlocks it with the fob.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
He unlocked it and then kept walking.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's weird, why would you do that?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
So then he followed him what around the corner?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
To think now, in that moment, he had no idea
he was following a killer. He wasn't a killer yet
that dude was armed, and he is following somebody who
clearly had no problem killing.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That is so eery to think.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And he's probably thinking himself, Wow, I was a lot
braver than I even realized, or maybe I was a
lot dumber than I knew. But yes, he speed walked
to follow him around the corner, and he actually confronted
him and said, your car is back there, Why are
you circling the block?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
That is very courageous, And I.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Guess rome's what was he supposed to do next. I'm
sure it's on his mind as well.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Should I have alerted somebody? Should I have gone and say?
But this is what I guess in our culture over
the years, and go back to Columbine. Columbine, if somebody
is wearing a trench coat in the summer, you look
and go, wait a minute, what's that about? Like we've
been trained almost and to think this guy, So this
is not just I saw a guy and thought something weird.
He did something about it and followed the guy. This
(04:42):
is incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It is remarkable that he'd and then confronted him and said,
why are you acting like this?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You're acting strangely.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I do appreciate the fact that maybe all of the
news coverage we've had of people trying to thwart potential
mass shootings or terrorist attacks like these are the These
are the habits that we've hopefully instilled in some people
to say, if you see something, say something, and that's
exactly what this guy did.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know you say that as well.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I think about the Bandai Beach shooting in Australia and
to think that there was a citizen that went and
disarmed that guy, like we are taking a responsibility and
maybe saving lives. This guy may have saved lives. Sure
in that moment, that interaction, he had no idea, but
his information was key in him finding the guy. Who
knows whether the damage he might have done. But this
(05:27):
was a courageous We're gonna be hearing from this guy.
He's going to be everywhere telling his story. This is
I find this to be just unreal.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
And so after he confronted Valente and said your car
is back there, why are you circling the block? He
responded to him by saying, I don't know you from nobody,
Why are you harassing me? And then this man goes
on to Reddit and says, I'm being dead serious. Somebody
needs to look into a gray nis On with Florida plates.
(05:56):
So he took note of the car. He took note
of the license plates, and that was the key to
finding the suspect.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Period, this and this is unbelievab. He went on red.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I think he finally realized that y'all have been looking
for me. And I think they said he physically went
up to two officers. Yeah, yeah, and so he was
key to the case. Now how did this work out?
They got this witness, if you will, and then they
had video surveillance video of a car that they said
they could match up. They could match up the two
descriptions and that's when they knew, okay, we're on to
(06:28):
the right thing with this description of this Nissan CenTra.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Was it that he had rented?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Now they tracked this car this system, you know, this
system that annoys all of us, certainly here in the Northeast,
the one they're able to.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Take a picture of your license plate.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Right, yes, when they give you your a toll charge
or a ticket for whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's that kind of system of cameras that were able
to capture the license plate on this particular car. So
they were able to kind of track it and piece
it together and figure out where it was going.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And they knew who rented it because they were able
to go search the rental records where he actually rented
the vehicle and trace his his he got he came
to Boston, I guess from Vegas, correct, and he rented
the car in Boston, traveled from Boston to Providence, Providence
back to Boston, and then eventually to Salem Brookline.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Where they shot the professor, and then ends up in Salem,
New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And is it Do we know that?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Because because we saw what late afternoon early evening police
were releasing the information that they knew who the guy
was and perhaps that led to him making a decision
to die by suicide at that point when he knew
he was found.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
You're not exactly sure when he died.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
We talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
They looked really frustrated that they even had to acknowledge
that they had identified there were law enforcement sources that
were leaking information and that this look this.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That hinders an investigation or your ability to capture someone
because they're following the headlines most likely, and if they
know you're onto them, they're going to either they're going
to do something erratic to evade.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But you said hinder an investigation, and this investigation that's
already been hindered, hampered, slowed, two people already taken into
custody then released.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So this has been a hell of a week for
that community.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's sad because, if you think about it, the Brown
University shooting mass shooting happened on December thirteenth.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
The MIT professor didn't die until the.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Fifteenth, So it's just said those two days cost a
renowned and beloved professor his life.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And again we're trying to figure out the why still
now the suspect was found, the authority say again, this
was not in the situation where he was engaged in
a firefight with police officers. They got there and they
say he was dead of a self inflicted gunshot. Will
and found two guns with him, and they say also
other evidence that matches the scene at Brown. So again
we're talking about a forty eight year old man by
(08:49):
the name of Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente is the name. Now,
who is he and what's his connection to Brown? His
connection is he went to school there a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, two thousand to two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
He was only there for one year in a graduate program, correct,
But they said he knew that building, well, that is
the building he would have studied in when he went
there more than twenty years ago. We also know he's
a Portuguese national. And there's your connection to the MIT
physics professor who is also Portuguese, Nuno Lrero, and they
(09:22):
apparently went to school for some time together in Portugal.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, some elite engineering school there. That's not a coincidence.
Don't know what the relationship was, but that is not
a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
That this took place.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
They always check no criminal history with this guy, nothing
in his background. Last known address was Miami. He did,
I think you mentioned Vegas. He had spent some time
in Vegas as well. But here is another big part
of this story. How did he get here in the
first place? Why was he here? Well, he was a
legal permanent resident of the United States. He first entered
on a student visa back in two thousand, but he
got permanent status through the Diversity Immigrant Visa also known
(10:01):
as the DV one, which is now now.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes and now Trump Christy Noman announced it has completely
suspended that program, saying it is done.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
It is over.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
We will no longer be allowing people to enter our
country through that program.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And this has been debated over the years, and some
find it beautiful. I have to argue, I'll say out loud,
I think it. But what it is is just a lottery.
There are a lot of countries that don't get a
lot of easas to come into the US. It's literally
a lottery all over the world. In certain countries, you
get lucky enough, your number gets pulled out and you
literally win the lottery to come to the United States.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I just like that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I had the best conversation with an Uber driver who
had just won the lottery from his country, and he
was so grateful and so appreciative, and it was like
the most wonderful uber ride I've ever had because he
was just the happiest person I had met that day,
maybe even that month, because he was just so grateful
to be in America.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
So that's that's sad for a lot of folks who
have actually.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Benefited from and our country has benefited from their arrival.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And it's fifty to fifty five thousand there. That's a small, small,
small number, but it happens every year. And as small
as that number is, ro Juja said an uber driver.
I have known two or three people in my life
who've won this lottery. You think I'd never run into somebody. Yeah,
I worked with a lady won the lottery. Wow. So
this is the program it right now has stopped. So
his connection to Brown you talked about there Master of
(11:27):
Science program in physics is why he was there. But
he went on leave just after attending for one year,
but then withdrew officially from Brown in July of two
thousand and three, so he hasn't been connected to the school,
and the school they announced we have no affiliation to
this guy at.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
All that is so bizarre, And the connection to the
professor is just that they attended that same elite engineering school.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And it's very confusing as.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
To how he somehow that much time has passed since
he was in class with Nuno Lerero, Professor Lerero, and
it's been decades since he's been at Brown. So what happened,
what happened recently that somehow brought up some memory or
some perceived grievance something that made him snap.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I don't know what a deranged a killer is supposed
to look like somebody who's capable of this. But the
video you saw from inside the rental car place casual, cool, calm,
normal looking dude. I mean, you just you don't see
anything menacing until you know the background and who you're
looking at. But I don't think that guy would cause
alarm in looking at him.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
No, no, not at all, not even from the image. Actually,
he just looked like your average stocky, middle aged guy. Like.
The only thing that was strange is he was dressed
in all black and had a black surgical mask on
as well.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
But this is of note.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
The Rhode Island Attorney General said this very bluntly, very plainly,
I don't think we have any idea why now, or
why Brown, why these students, why this classroom, But everyone
always wants to know the why.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
We have to. They'll start to piece this together.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
A story of some kind will emerge, but as of
this morning, it has yet to do so.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But stay here, folks. They gave us the update.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yes, they got the guy, or at least he's off
the streets now, believe the shooter is dead. Say there's
no further threat to the community, and they are not
searching for anybody else. Now, that, of course, was the
big headline in the big update, but we got other
headlines and updates from the police about the investigation and
about how the shooting victims are doing in the hospital state.
(13:37):
Stay here, I'll have that for you right after the break.
And as I'm looking at my dear robot here, we
will have that for you right after the break. All right, folks,
we are back here on Amy And sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know I've done that before too. I'll say I
or mine or meet and wait, we and hours. Sometimes
I get it, it happens.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It's only offensive when you do it about our home.
But did you here recording a little earlier this morning.
We'll still have our regular morning run for you here
in just a bit with all the news headlines of
the day, but this was the big breaking story overnight.
A lot of people are going to be seeing this
for the first time when they wake up that Yes,
in fact, after about a week essentially with no answers,
(14:26):
we do get word that the shooter in the Brown
University mass shooting that killed two students injured another nine,
according to police, took his own life self inflicted gunshot wound.
But he was found overnight in Salem, New Hampshire, at
a facility, a storage facility, so we do know this
part is over now. A lot of questions, including they're
saying he's responsible for that shooting of the MIT professor
(14:47):
as well Robe, So a lot of questions to be answered,
but a relief at least that he's not on the street.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
The update.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It's positive out of the hospital, yes, at least, and
you know, every single day it seems like they get
we got a positive update, but this is the best one.
It sounds like all if those have been shot are
certainly on the way to recovery.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yes, now all six who still are in the hospital
are listed in stable condition.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That is remarkable. Three were treated and eventually released.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So all the survivors who were wounded will in fact
survive and are improving day by day by day.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So that is such good news for the parents.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
My heart's still, oh, our hearts still go out to
the parents of those two students who were just so senseless,
senselessly and randomly killed by this man. I cannot imagine
the pain they are in right.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Now, Christmas a week from yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And you know, it's obviously it wouldn't matter when they
were killed, it would always be tragic. But but but
but I just remember the anticipation of knowing Annie was
coming home last week, and you know, just knowing she
had a plane ticket to come home, and just thinking
about these students finishing their you know, final exams and
just getting those last study hauls in to head home
(16:00):
for the holidays.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It's just exceptionally tragic.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
They're gifts under the tree for those kids. That is
such a there is I say.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I'm sitting here looking at you, looking in the distance
at Anne Lisa's room. She's in their sleep, trees, presents
and this is just what the holiday was. And you
know what they saw these kids. I hope they had
great Thanksgivings. Right, it's a short window. You go over Thanksgiving, Hey,
everybody see you in a couple of weeks. Christmas is coming.
Kind of a thing. That's just horrific to think about.
An update from police at least about the shooting and
(16:28):
again ropes, there's a big debate now debate. There's going
to be some I guess, some scrutiny on the cameras
at that building.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
There's been a lot of talk.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
There weren't many they said that because it's an obviously
it's an older campus. It's one of the oldest campuses
in the country. I believe the seventh oldest something like that.
So yeah, they just haven't updated. Just because you have
old buildings doesn't mean you shouldn't put cameras on them.
So yes, they just haven't updated their technology with the times.
And certainly this would be a glaring example of why
(16:59):
it is so important and honestly, even as a deterrent.
If people know when they're walking in every angle they
are going to be their image is going to be captured,
They're going to be seen.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Anything they do will be reviewed and be watched.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I wonder if he was familiar he might have right then,
if he knew this, because I haven't seen an image
of him anywhere near that building now right, it's all
been on the street, these ring cams, door cams, and.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Wow, clearly he's a smart dude, so he knows or
you'd think he would have known that as he was
casing things out.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And how did they explain that the program he was
in their physics when he was enrolled there. This building
houses a lot of equipment, specialized equipment that you would
need if you're a physics major. And she was explaining
someone from the university that we don't have records that
go back that far of what classes were ware, but
(17:51):
she said it is fair to say.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He spent a lot of time in his building. Yep,
he was very familiar, so.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
He knew it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And they found forty four shell casings in the building.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
This dude was firing.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
He was firing at random.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And honestly, when you see something like that, it sounds
awful to say that, My goodness, it's a miracle only
eleven people were shot.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Well, folks, we want to hop on again.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
We will have the regular morning run for you here
in just a bit, but we want to hop on
and get this up for you. First thing, but the headline,
the breaking story, yes, is that finally it's over, according
to police, the search, the fear is over. The person
responsible for that Brown University shooting and the shooting of
an MIT professor is dead according to police, of a
(18:35):
self inflicted gun shot wound. We will be hearing plenty
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Speaker 3 (18:44):
Our updates coming to you all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
We expect possibly some more today, but yeah, stay with us, folks.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We always appreciate you spending some time with us. I'm TJ.
Holmes and we have a baby robot. Pu'll talk to
y'all soon.
Hey, that folks did is Friday, December nineteenth, and a
breaking story overnight. Police say that the man responsible for
the mass shooting at Brown University is dead. But the
other new information is they say he's also responsible for
killing an professor. And with that, welcome to this because
(00:23):
a little early and breaking episode here of Amy and TJ.
Ropes for whatever reason was we were going to bed
last night, we said, hey, we're probably gonna have to
hop up again on early there was some sense that
they were about to get this guy last Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
They were teasing the news media, so to speak, earlier
in the evening saying we think we have our guy,
we think we know or we've identified our person of interest.
And we went to bed around nine something last night,
and everything broke wide open in the hours that followed
into the early hours of this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And so we wake up this morning and a lot
of you are going to be waking up and getting
this news that, yes, the person responsible for the shooting
at Brown University had left two students dead another nine injured.
And we found out the person responsible for the shooting
death of an MIT professor two days after that shooting
was the responsibility all of that one man they have
(01:17):
now identified as Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente, forty eight year
old man, who was found dead of a self inflicted
gunshot wound and of all places, a storage facility in Salem.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
New Hampshire.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
This story, I guess we're getting the details and starting
to piece this together now, but it was kind of extraordinary,
and right now we don't have a whole lot of
answers as to why.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No, we know a few connections that police have been
able to string together. But it's even fascinating how they
caught this guy in the first place. You woke me up,
I think I turned over at two am and you said, babe,
they got him, and he killed the MIT professor too,
And I was like, oh my god. But I tried
not to process too much of it because I wanted
to go back and sleep.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Which I did.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
But yes, waking up and seeing these details, it is
fascinating because yesterday or it was the day before that,
we had police come out and say, hey, we have
a second person we want to find because we think
this second person will help us find our person of interest.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
And turns out they were right.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
That was the right move to make.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So folks we're gonna get you called up and give
you the very latest about what we're talking about here.
But the shooter, police say the shooter is no longer
out there. That shooter is dead, Cloudio Manuel Nevis Valente,
forty eight years old. We're going to get more information
about him. But that is the person police say we
have been seeing for the past week on all those
surveillance videos that they have been putting out. Then robe
(02:39):
what yesterday, the day before, they started to focus on
a person of interest that they made clear was not
a suspect, but they thought interacted with the suspect at
some point. I'm like, hmm, weird. How did they know that?
Now the story's out, like, holy.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Hell, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah. So, yes, he actually encountered the Cloudio Valente in
the bathroom and he said he wasn't wearing the appropriate
clothes for the weather outside, and he thought it was unusual.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
So I actually thought this is pretty remarkable. He followed
him out rope.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
They say this all the time, don't aren't we trained?
Now we see something out of place. This was so
out of place that he took it upon himself to
follow the guy.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I cannot imagine doing that, but he did.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
He follows him out there, and then he sees more
suspicious behavior because Valente goes to get into his vehicle
and then just locks it and keeps walking hurriedly around
the corner.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
He said, unlocks it with the fob.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
He unlocked it and then kept walking.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's weird, why would you do that?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
So then he followed him what around the corner?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
To think now, in that moment, he had no idea
he was following a killer. He wasn't a killer yet
that dude was armed, and he is following somebody who
clearly had no problem killing.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
That is so eery to think.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
And he's probably thinking himself, Wow, I was a lot
braver than I even realized, or maybe I was a
lot dumber than I knew. But yes, he speed walked
to follow him around the corner, and he actually confronted
him and said, your car is back there, Why are
you circling the block?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
That is very courageous, And I.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Guess rome's what was he supposed to do next. I'm
sure it's on his mind as well.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Well.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Should I have alerted somebody? Should I have gone and say?
But this is what I guess in our culture over
the years, and go back to Columbine. Columbine, if somebody
is wearing a trench coat in the summer, you look
and go, wait a minute, what's that about? Like we've
been trained almost and to think this guy, So this
is not just I saw a guy and thought something weird.
He did something about it and followed the guy. This
(04:42):
is incredible.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It is remarkable that he'd and then confronted him and said,
why are you acting like this?
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You're acting strangely.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I do appreciate the fact that maybe all of the
news coverage we've had of people trying to thwart potential
mass shootings or terrorist attacks like these are the These
are the habits that we've hopefully instilled in some people
to say, if you see something, say something, and that's
exactly what this guy did.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You know you say that as well.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
I think about the Bandai Beach shooting in Australia and
to think that there was a citizen that went and
disarmed that guy, like we are taking a responsibility and
maybe saving lives. This guy may have saved lives. Sure
in that moment, that interaction, he had no idea, but
his information was key in him finding the guy. Who
knows whether the damage he might have done. But this
(05:27):
was a courageous We're gonna be hearing from this guy.
He's going to be everywhere telling his story. This is
I find this to be just unreal.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
And so after he confronted Valente and said your car
is back there, why are you circling the block? He
responded to him by saying, I don't know you from nobody,
Why are you harassing me? And then this man goes
on to Reddit and says, I'm being dead serious. Somebody
needs to look into a gray nis On with Florida plates.
(05:56):
So he took note of the car. He took note
of the license plates, and that was the key to
finding the suspect.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Period, this and this is unbelievab. He went on red.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I think he finally realized that y'all have been looking
for me. And I think they said he physically went
up to two officers. Yeah, yeah, and so he was
key to the case. Now how did this work out?
They got this witness, if you will, and then they
had video surveillance video of a car that they said
they could match up. They could match up the two
descriptions and that's when they knew, okay, we're on to
(06:28):
the right thing with this description of this Nissan CenTra.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Was it that he had rented?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Now they tracked this car this system, you know, this
system that annoys all of us, certainly here in the Northeast,
the one they're able to.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Take a picture of your license plate.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Right, yes, when they give you your a toll charge
or a ticket for whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It's that kind of system of cameras that were able
to capture the license plate on this particular car. So
they were able to kind of track it and piece
it together and figure out where it was going.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And they knew who rented it because they were able
to go search the rental records where he actually rented
the vehicle and trace his his he got he came
to Boston, I guess from Vegas, correct, and he rented
the car in Boston, traveled from Boston to Providence, Providence
back to Boston, and then eventually to Salem Brookline.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Where they shot the professor, and then ends up in Salem,
New Hampshire.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And is it Do we know that?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Because because we saw what late afternoon early evening police
were releasing the information that they knew who the guy
was and perhaps that led to him making a decision
to die by suicide at that point when he knew
he was found.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
You're not exactly sure when he died.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
We talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
They looked really frustrated that they even had to acknowledge
that they had identified there were law enforcement sources that
were leaking information and that this look this.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That hinders an investigation or your ability to capture someone
because they're following the headlines most likely, and if they
know you're onto them, they're going to either they're going
to do something erratic to evade.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
But you said hinder an investigation, and this investigation that's
already been hindered, hampered, slowed, two people already taken into
custody then released.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So this has been a hell of a week for
that community.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
It's sad because, if you think about it, the Brown
University shooting mass shooting happened on December thirteenth.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
The MIT professor didn't die until the.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Fifteenth, So it's just said those two days cost a
renowned and beloved professor his life.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And again we're trying to figure out the why still
now the suspect was found, the authority say again, this
was not in the situation where he was engaged in
a firefight with police officers. They got there and they
say he was dead of a self inflicted gunshot. Will
and found two guns with him, and they say also
other evidence that matches the scene at Brown. So again
we're talking about a forty eight year old man by
(08:49):
the name of Claudio Manuel Nevis Valente is the name. Now,
who is he and what's his connection to Brown? His
connection is he went to school there a long time ago.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, two thousand to two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
He was only there for one year in a graduate program, correct,
But they said he knew that building, well, that is
the building he would have studied in when he went
there more than twenty years ago. We also know he's
a Portuguese national. And there's your connection to the MIT
physics professor who is also Portuguese, Nuno Lrero, and they
(09:22):
apparently went to school for some time together in Portugal.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, some elite engineering school there. That's not a coincidence.
Don't know what the relationship was, but that is not
a coincidence.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
That this took place.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
They always check no criminal history with this guy, nothing
in his background. Last known address was Miami. He did,
I think you mentioned Vegas. He had spent some time
in Vegas as well. But here is another big part
of this story. How did he get here in the
first place? Why was he here? Well, he was a
legal permanent resident of the United States. He first entered
on a student visa back in two thousand, but he
got permanent status through the Diversity Immigrant Visa also known
(10:01):
as the DV one, which is now now.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes and now Trump Christy Noman announced it has completely
suspended that program, saying it is done.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
It is over.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
We will no longer be allowing people to enter our
country through that program.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
And this has been debated over the years, and some
find it beautiful. I have to argue, I'll say out loud,
I think it. But what it is is just a lottery.
There are a lot of countries that don't get a
lot of easas to come into the US. It's literally
a lottery all over the world. In certain countries, you
get lucky enough, your number gets pulled out and you
literally win the lottery to come to the United States.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
I just like that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I had the best conversation with an Uber driver who
had just won the lottery from his country, and he
was so grateful and so appreciative, and it was like
the most wonderful uber ride I've ever had because he
was just the happiest person I had met that day,
maybe even that month, because he was just so grateful
to be in America.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
So that's that's sad for a lot of folks who
have actually.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Benefited from and our country has benefited from their arrival.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
And it's fifty to fifty five thousand there. That's a small, small,
small number, but it happens every year. And as small
as that number is, ro Juja said an uber driver.
I have known two or three people in my life
who've won this lottery. You think I'd never run into somebody. Yeah,
I worked with a lady won the lottery. Wow. So
this is the program it right now has stopped. So
his connection to Brown you talked about there Master of
(11:27):
Science program in physics is why he was there. But
he went on leave just after attending for one year,
but then withdrew officially from Brown in July of two
thousand and three, so he hasn't been connected to the school,
and the school they announced we have no affiliation to
this guy at.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
All that is so bizarre, And the connection to the
professor is just that they attended that same elite engineering school.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And it's very confusing as.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
To how he somehow that much time has passed since
he was in class with Nuno Lerero, Professor Lerero, and
it's been decades since he's been at Brown. So what happened,
what happened recently that somehow brought up some memory or
some perceived grievance something that made him snap.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I don't know what a deranged a killer is supposed
to look like somebody who's capable of this. But the
video you saw from inside the rental car place casual, cool, calm,
normal looking dude. I mean, you just you don't see
anything menacing until you know the background and who you're
looking at. But I don't think that guy would cause
alarm in looking at him.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
No, no, not at all, not even from the image. Actually,
he just looked like your average stocky, middle aged guy. Like.
The only thing that was strange is he was dressed
in all black and had a black surgical mask on
as well.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
But this is of note.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
The Rhode Island Attorney General said this very bluntly, very plainly,
I don't think we have any idea why now, or
why Brown, why these students, why this classroom, But everyone
always wants to know the why.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
We have to. They'll start to piece this together.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
A story of some kind will emerge, but as of
this morning, it has yet to do so.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
But stay here, folks. They gave us the update.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yes, they got the guy, or at least he's off
the streets now, believe the shooter is dead. Say there's
no further threat to the community, and they are not
searching for anybody else. Now, that, of course, was the
big headline in the big update, but we got other
headlines and updates from the police about the investigation and
about how the shooting victims are doing in the hospital state.
(13:37):
Stay here, I'll have that for you right after the break.
And as I'm looking at my dear robot here, we
will have that for you right after the break. All right, folks,
we are back here on Amy And sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know I've done that before too. I'll say I
or mine or meet and wait, we and hours. Sometimes
I get it, it happens.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
It's only offensive when you do it about our home.
But did you here recording a little earlier this morning.
We'll still have our regular morning run for you here
in just a bit with all the news headlines of
the day, but this was the big breaking story overnight.
A lot of people are going to be seeing this
for the first time when they wake up that Yes,
in fact, after about a week essentially with no answers,
(14:26):
we do get word that the shooter in the Brown
University mass shooting that killed two students injured another nine,
according to police, took his own life self inflicted gunshot wound.
But he was found overnight in Salem, New Hampshire, at
a facility, a storage facility, so we do know this
part is over now. A lot of questions, including they're
saying he's responsible for that shooting of the MIT professor
(14:47):
as well Robe, So a lot of questions to be answered,
but a relief at least that he's not on the street.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
The update.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
It's positive out of the hospital, yes, at least, and
you know, every single day it seems like they get
we got a positive update, but this is the best one.
It sounds like all if those have been shot are
certainly on the way to recovery.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yes, now all six who still are in the hospital
are listed in stable condition.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
That is remarkable. Three were treated and eventually released.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So all the survivors who were wounded will in fact
survive and are improving day by day by day.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
So that is such good news for the parents.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
My heart's still, oh, our hearts still go out to
the parents of those two students who were just so senseless,
senselessly and randomly killed by this man. I cannot imagine
the pain they are in right.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Now, Christmas a week from yesterday.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
And you know, it's obviously it wouldn't matter when they
were killed, it would always be tragic. But but but
but I just remember the anticipation of knowing Annie was
coming home last week, and you know, just knowing she
had a plane ticket to come home, and just thinking
about these students finishing their you know, final exams and
just getting those last study hauls in to head home
(16:00):
for the holidays.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It's just exceptionally tragic.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
They're gifts under the tree for those kids. That is
such a there is I say.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I'm sitting here looking at you, looking in the distance
at Anne Lisa's room. She's in their sleep, trees, presents
and this is just what the holiday was. And you
know what they saw these kids. I hope they had
great Thanksgivings. Right, it's a short window. You go over Thanksgiving, Hey,
everybody see you in a couple of weeks. Christmas is coming.
Kind of a thing. That's just horrific to think about.
An update from police at least about the shooting and
(16:28):
again ropes, there's a big debate now debate. There's going
to be some I guess, some scrutiny on the cameras
at that building.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
There's been a lot of talk.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
There weren't many they said that because it's an obviously
it's an older campus. It's one of the oldest campuses
in the country. I believe the seventh oldest something like that.
So yeah, they just haven't updated. Just because you have
old buildings doesn't mean you shouldn't put cameras on them.
So yes, they just haven't updated their technology with the times.
And certainly this would be a glaring example of why
(16:59):
it is so important and honestly, even as a deterrent.
If people know when they're walking in every angle they
are going to be their image is going to be captured,
They're going to be seen.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Anything they do will be reviewed and be watched.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
I wonder if he was familiar he might have right then,
if he knew this, because I haven't seen an image
of him anywhere near that building now right, it's all
been on the street, these ring cams, door cams, and.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Wow, clearly he's a smart dude, so he knows or
you'd think he would have known that as he was
casing things out.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
And how did they explain that the program he was
in their physics when he was enrolled there. This building
houses a lot of equipment, specialized equipment that you would
need if you're a physics major. And she was explaining
someone from the university that we don't have records that
go back that far of what classes were ware, but
(17:51):
she said it is fair to say.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He spent a lot of time in his building. Yep,
he was very familiar, so.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
He knew it.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And they found forty four shell casings in the building.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
This dude was firing.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
He was firing at random.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
And honestly, when you see something like that, it sounds
awful to say that, My goodness, it's a miracle only
eleven people were shot.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Well, folks, we want to hop on again.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
We will have the regular morning run for you here
in just a bit, but we want to hop on
and get this up for you. First thing, but the headline,
the breaking story, yes, is that finally it's over, according
to police, the search, the fear is over. The person
responsible for that Brown University shooting and the shooting of
an MIT professor is dead according to police, of a
(18:35):
self inflicted gun shot wound. We will be hearing plenty
more about this. A reminder, folks, top right corner of
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Speaker 3 (18:44):
Our updates coming to you all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
We expect possibly some more today, but yeah, stay with us, folks.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We always appreciate you spending some time with us. I'm TJ.
Holmes and we have a baby robot. Pu'll talk to
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