November 21, 2025 • 18 mins
A 26-year-old former staffer to a New Jersey Congressman is facing criminal charges after faking a vicious political attack. Natalie Greene even went so far as to hire a “body modification and scarification artist” to cut lacerations all over her body complete with threatening messages. This story is so bizarre you have to hear it, to believe it.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, folks. It is Friday, November twenty first, and
a young lady, a former GOP staffer, was found with
her hands tied behind her with zip ties. She had scrapes,
she had cuts all over her body, and someone had
written on her Trump whore. She said three men did
(00:23):
this to her. Well, federal forty authorities now say she
did it to herself. And with that, welcome to this
episode of Amy and TJ. Roapes. I don't know how
it's possible that this young lady would be willing to
do this and go through what she went through, which
was pretty extreme, all for the sake.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Of what attention. I don't know. She's twenty six years old.
Her name's Natalie Green.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You brought this story to my attention, and the more
I read into it, the more I couldn't believe what
I was reading.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, So yeah, we gave kind of the basics there,
which is shocking enough. The details take this to a
whole new level.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So, first of all, she has been charged, by the way,
with one count of conspiracy to convey false statements and
hoaxes and another count of making false statements to federal law.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Enforcement.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
But when you hear what those false statements and what
this hoax is it is, it's hard to get.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Your head around it. This happened in July. She called
nine one one. There was a co conspirator with her.
We don't know who that person.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
There was another person who was with her saying they
had just been attacked by three men with a gun
just outside of Atlantic City.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
When law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Came upon her, she was in a wooded area, her hood,
I guess, her shirt T shirt was over her head,
her hands and her legs were zip tied, and the
condition of her body was shocking. She had lacerations all
over her body, on her f face, on her neck,
(02:01):
on her chest, on her stomach, on her back.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And when you see it, folks, we say scrapes and
scratches and cuts. It almost looks like a grid like
she was scraped, almost like a grill, if you will.
That's all over her body on what in the right side,
A little bit on her face as well.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
On her face.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It looked like something out of a horror movie. And
I'm not exaggerating. And these pictures are online and it
looks painful, it looks horrific. It looks like she's been tortured.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And when they found it, right, she was hysterical, screaming, yelling, crying,
begging for help. So yeah, that's this type of story again,
given robes, sometimes what we see in our politics didn't
necessarily as shocking as it was seem that necessarily far
fetched back in July, because the alternative would be, what
that she's making it up?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Now when you see the condition of her body, when
you see the amount of cuts she has all over her,
and then specifically.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Sorry, y'all just made a mess. I just threw my
glass all over the Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I didn't know what I was saying was so offensive.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well, I can't believe somebody would do this. I turn
the table over next. Sorry about that, baby, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
No, so, not just the violence that was done to
her body, but then yes, the messages, some of this
cutting actually had words carved into her and it was
Trump whoror was written on her stomach. And then we
don't know there was a redacted name, but it said
(03:32):
federal employee basically is racist. So look, she was working
for a Republican congressman. And so yes, I guess if
you're a police officer and you walk up on this,
you think, my goodness, someone who hates Republicans, someone who
is anti Trump, someone who is upset with the Republican
Party has taken it to this extreme level and taken
(03:55):
this poor staffer and and.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Abused her vicious and violent. You would you would think
this was a horrific crime. And given that she's twenty six,
she's young, cute girl all over social media, how could
this happen to her? It was that kind of reaction
at the time. I don't know at what point in
(04:18):
the investigation their minds are even allowed to go there.
How could you just not take this young woman looking
at her at her word?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Initially I would I would think the police would take
her at her word. And as you mentioned, she was crying,
she was yelling. She said that the men, these three
men had a gun. They restrained her, held her down
there in the woods while they cut her. You know,
it's hard to believe, but when you're seeing the evidence
right there in front of you, this woman is clearly injured,
(04:49):
why would you not believe her?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But then things start to come apart, and rose that
they didn't have to do too much forensic and nowalysis
to start piecing together that the story didn't sound right.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It came it unraveled pretty quickly. So the first I
believe clue was from police when they found zip ties
in her car that matched, like were identical to the
ones that they found binding her legs and her arms
the night of the attack. So they find the zip
(05:26):
ties in her car. Then in this co conspirator who
we haven't this person who was with her, we don't
know the name. Apparently when they looked at that person's phone,
this was hilarious. They found a Google search. Man, those
Google searches? Do everybody in don't they?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
What was this is funny?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
What was the Google search? Zip ties near me?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know, if you look at mine, everybody has something
in their phone right now right that you had that,
you did something. I probably got brunch near me. Mimosa's
at ten thirty near me. I probably got something like that. Yes,
this was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Store near me?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Zipize what restaurant is open right now? Yes, all of
those those are our Google searches, food and beverages, not
zip ties near me. But I believe perhaps the most
incredible evidence, the most damning evidence.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Was on her phone, so she followed up.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
She went back to the FBI and said, you know,
I need this investigated. She didn't want this to go unanswered.
She gives them her phone because she tells the FBI
agent that after this attack where police found her bound
and brutalized, that she continued to receive threatening messages at work.
(06:40):
So see, she's still under attack, she's fearing for her life.
And so of course the FBI said, let's take a
look at your phone. Let's see who's sending you these
vicious messages. What they found were some messages between this
young lady Green and someone with the job title of
(07:00):
modification scarification artist.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Scarification is that?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yes there?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So I actually did a deep dive on a Google
search on what a modification scarification artist is and what
they do, and so they find these messages between the
two and a scarification artist are Apparently this is something
that has been done for centuries. This is an ancient
(07:29):
cultural practice, so people have actually they go into business
where they use techniques to cut, scratch, or brand people,
so they intentionally scar the skin. And it's something that
people do for designs for cultural reasons.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But yes, you can hire someone to scar.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You but this was specifically and what was the first
part You said scarification in something? What was the first thing?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
It was a body modification scarification artists.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay, when I first heard that, I thought this was
someone who worked in Hollywood, like this would be some
kind of an artist. But you're saying, I didn't see
anything that suggested that. But this is not that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
No, this is like.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yes, and it's it's similar to what we would consider
a tattoo artist. You know, people might think that's an
abomination to put ink in your skin and change your skin.
So this practice actually uses cutting to actually create scars.
And so they found this back and forth between Green
and this scarification artist in Pennsylvania. They reach out to
(08:32):
this artist. She gives law enforcement a copy of a receipt.
Green actually paid this artist five hundred dollars to scar
her body, and she actually provided the exact like, she
gave her a map of how she wanted her cuts
and lash rations and scars to go in a predetermined area.
(08:57):
She had it all planned out. I didn't know you
could hire somebody to.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do this to you.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Apparently it's big in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I didn't know that this is even a thing. And
I just it's just I imagine it's a painful process.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well what she at least from the pictures, it looks
like she's going to be scarred for life. She has
like she's been maimed.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
That was the attention.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But she looked like, this is a twenty six year olly,
young woman. Why would you put why would you do
that to yourself voluntarily for the sake of We don't know,
because I have nothing I read suggested a motive. At
least the federal authorities didn't say we believe she did
this for this reason or anything, so you were left
to guess and speculate. But she is messed up. She
(09:42):
has scarred herself for life.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It's and I'm actually surprised. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Obviously, it's a legal, bonafide profession to be a body
modification scarification artist, But I wonder is there any sort
of responsibility on the artist's part if someone asks you
to do something pretty horrific to your body? Is there
any sort of standard or practice that you have to
consider before or check someone's mental health, or check someone's.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know, just to just say, okay, I get.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
A tattoo when you're drunk.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yes, exactly, Pay me five hundred dollars and I'll scar
your whole body.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's just wild to me that this exists.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm sure I can't imagine the disclaimers you have to
write and do for something like this. Is it you
make licensing? I'm very curious if you can be and
should be licensed to do something.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
When you see these pictures, I'm just imagining, and I'm
not putting this profession into any negative light, but I'm
just thinking as a human being doing that to someone
who's asking.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
You to do it to them. What what was that like?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
When you see the pictures, you'll know what we're talking about.
This isn't just a cool design she wanted scarred on
her box. Oh yeah, this is like it looks as
if she was the victim of a brutal attack.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You asked no questions. You're in business. Somebody comes in
and here's the money. This is what I want. Okay,
knock yourself out. But this is it's I don't know.
And again, the congressman that she worked for, I mean,
he's come out. They don't have it in the official
documents right when they're as far as the court documents,
but he's come out and mentioned it. Everybody knows who
it is, right.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yes, And in fact, when we come back, we will
tell you what this young woman's attorney has said about
this situation and the charges that her client is being
charged with, and we will tell you what the man
who she once worked for, representative from New Jersey Congressman,
Republican Congressman Jeff Andrew, what he had to say about
(11:38):
her arrest. Continuing our conversation about this wild story out
of New Jersey, a twenty six year old former congressional
staffer arrested and charged after sure she paid someone who
(12:03):
is in business to be a body modification scarification artist
to basically make it look as though she was brutally
and viciously attacked, targeted for being or working with a
Republican congressman. She went to great lengths, paid a significant
amount of money to literally be tortured and then try
to pass it off to police as a brutal attack
(12:25):
and the motive.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I haven't seen anybody mention one, at least the authorities,
what the motive might have been. You can only imagine here.
This was an attention seeking to an extreme level. And
I obviously you hear something like this, and you think
about the story our Chicago several years ago with Justice Smlette,
and I say that now, I thought about it. Of
course when the story came up, and I'm reading through articles,
(12:48):
I'm scrolling down, and sure enough, off to the side,
all those algorithms that put up stories about Jesse's Smallette,
it's all over. So yeah, they're making the connection.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And his motive.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Look, not that it was ever a sound one or
an okay one, but it was so he could get
more money. He was looking to basically create sympathy, and
he was in the middle of negotiating a contract, and
he thought by becoming perhaps the victim of some politically
motivated crime, that there would be a groundswell of support
for him and he could get more money in his contract.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Guess at least the motive we were given. Okay, that
makes some sense. We have heard nothing about this, when yet,
what this could mean?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
What her attorney had to say. This is what she said.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Following these charges being filed. At the age of twenty six,
my client served her community, working full time to assist
the constituents of the congressman with loyalty and fidelity. She
did that while being a full time student. Under the law,
she has presumed innocent and reserves all of her defenses
for presentation.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
In a court of law.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
We got nothing, right now, we got nothing.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And we're not going to tell you anything. We'll save
it for court.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
But just remember she was a full time student and
working on behalf of the constituents in New Jersey. So
she's otherwise a good person and a hard working person
who maybe lost her way.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Sympathy for a student and for a public servant, yes, yes,
but you tell by that if there was something more here,
he would come out forcefully. These facts are not correct, Michael,
or even she's had a mental breakdown, he would say something.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Please give her some grace, exactly now, in terms of
potential mental breakdown. We did also hear from Representative Andrew's
office who basically in some way alluded to this. This
is what their official statement was, knowing that this young
woman did work for them. We are deeply saddened by
yesterday's news, and while Natalie is no longer associated with
(14:39):
the Congressman's government office, our thoughts and prayers are with her.
We hope she is getting the care she needs.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean I mean that could be physical care, that
could be mental care, but I do I mean there's
I don't know. I take a beat. I would love
to hear from this girl and what she's been going
through and what her life has been life, Why she
got to such a place that she thought this was
an option. This took a lot of planning, This took
a lot of pain. This wasn't just a silly little
something or make a bad decision. This was really thought.
(15:11):
She had a lot of moments and times to go, nah,
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And the other yes, agreed with all of that. That
isn't something that was a rash decision or you know,
kind of a spur of the moment thing.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
She had to research this garification artist. She had to somehow.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't know if she traveled to Pennsylvania to then
go get these lacerations. I'm not sure what all those
details are. The other thing that's glaring to me that
I'm hoping we'll get some more clarity on this other person,
this co conspirator. So it's one thing if you're having
some sort of an issue where you decide premeditated to
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do all of these things. This other person you would
hope would be a voice of reason or at least
a sounding ward or someone who could say, wait, what
are you doing? Why are you doing this? And certainly
not let me help you do this. That's that's another
wrinkle in this that I have yet to iron out.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That person has not been arrested, has not been identified exactly. Okay,
so we say a co conspirator because obviously somebody had
to tie her up and somebody called nine to one one. Yes,
that's more than just let me grab some zip ties
for you.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And perhaps you know how these things work in criminal cases,
maybe that person will be the you know, the number
one witness to this, and they'll be able to build
the case against her, And so they might not file
charges against that person because they'll use that person in
testimony against Green.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I don't know why. Before I know she's I don't know, man,
I give this young lady. I'm reserving and I just
want to give her such a break because there's something
just feel there's a desperation, something going on in her
life that they're that's not that's more than a matter
of simple all we talk about social media all the time.
If people want instant fame and attention, and how do
(16:52):
you geut go about getting it? Sounds this is more
than just a This isn't a plea for attention. This
is a craft for help. It seems it is, but it's.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Also it's also a crime and I and I point
that out because the valuable resources that were taken away
from something meaningful and actually needed in the community were
then given to her who created this elaborate hope. So
you know, money was spent, time was wasted, and perhaps
resources were misdirected when they could have been used somewhere else.
(17:25):
It and people might say, oh, this is a victimless crime,
but actually that's not the case when you look and
see what goes into someone making a false police report
and making people believe that they've been harmed, where there
is a search that goes on for these three unidentified
men who were on a terror and you know, tortured
this young woman. So a lot of a lot of time,
(17:47):
a lot of money, and a lot of wasted.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Effort was spent.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, they had better shit to do, Yes, yes, and
do this by you're right, you understand right, and talking
about the resources, but also the breach for the public,
because there are people who had real concern for her
when all this happened, so concern for her now for
different reasons. But yeah, she needs to.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, she is facing a maximum of ten years behind
bars and up to five hundred thousand dollars if convicted.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
So we'll follow this.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It is a bizarre one certainly got our attention today
and we hope you enjoyed listening to this and again
we'll stay on top of this and all the other
wacky stories of the week. This has been Wow. I
know we've said this a lot, but this has been
a hell of a news week. So we appreciate you
hanging with us. Everybody. I made ROVOC alongside TJ.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Hey there, folks. It is Friday, November twenty first, and
a young lady, a former GOP staffer, was found with
her hands tied behind her with zip ties. She had scrapes,
she had cuts all over her body, and someone had
written on her Trump whore. She said three men did
(00:23):
this to her. Well, federal forty authorities now say she
did it to herself. And with that, welcome to this
episode of Amy and TJ. Roapes. I don't know how
it's possible that this young lady would be willing to
do this and go through what she went through, which
was pretty extreme, all for the sake.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Of what attention. I don't know. She's twenty six years old.
Her name's Natalie Green.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You brought this story to my attention, and the more
I read into it, the more I couldn't believe what
I was reading.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Okay, So yeah, we gave kind of the basics there,
which is shocking enough. The details take this to a
whole new level.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
So, first of all, she has been charged, by the way,
with one count of conspiracy to convey false statements and
hoaxes and another count of making false statements to federal law.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Enforcement.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
But when you hear what those false statements and what
this hoax is it is, it's hard to get.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Your head around it. This happened in July. She called
nine one one. There was a co conspirator with her.
We don't know who that person.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
There was another person who was with her saying they
had just been attacked by three men with a gun
just outside of Atlantic City.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
When law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Came upon her, she was in a wooded area, her hood,
I guess, her shirt T shirt was over her head,
her hands and her legs were zip tied, and the
condition of her body was shocking. She had lacerations all
over her body, on her f face, on her neck,
(02:01):
on her chest, on her stomach, on her back.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
And when you see it, folks, we say scrapes and
scratches and cuts. It almost looks like a grid like
she was scraped, almost like a grill, if you will.
That's all over her body on what in the right side,
A little bit on her face as well.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
On her face.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It looked like something out of a horror movie. And
I'm not exaggerating. And these pictures are online and it
looks painful, it looks horrific. It looks like she's been tortured.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
And when they found it, right, she was hysterical, screaming, yelling, crying,
begging for help. So yeah, that's this type of story again,
given robes, sometimes what we see in our politics didn't
necessarily as shocking as it was seem that necessarily far
fetched back in July, because the alternative would be, what
that she's making it up?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Nah?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Now when you see the condition of her body, when
you see the amount of cuts she has all over her,
and then specifically.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Sorry, y'all just made a mess. I just threw my
glass all over the Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I didn't know what I was saying was so offensive.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well, I can't believe somebody would do this. I turn
the table over next. Sorry about that, baby, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
No, so, not just the violence that was done to
her body, but then yes, the messages, some of this
cutting actually had words carved into her and it was
Trump whoror was written on her stomach. And then we
don't know there was a redacted name, but it said
(03:32):
federal employee basically is racist. So look, she was working
for a Republican congressman. And so yes, I guess if
you're a police officer and you walk up on this,
you think, my goodness, someone who hates Republicans, someone who
is anti Trump, someone who is upset with the Republican
Party has taken it to this extreme level and taken
(03:55):
this poor staffer and and.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Abused her vicious and violent. You would you would think
this was a horrific crime. And given that she's twenty six,
she's young, cute girl all over social media, how could
this happen to her? It was that kind of reaction
at the time. I don't know at what point in
(04:18):
the investigation their minds are even allowed to go there.
How could you just not take this young woman looking
at her at her word?
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Initially I would I would think the police would take
her at her word. And as you mentioned, she was crying,
she was yelling. She said that the men, these three
men had a gun. They restrained her, held her down
there in the woods while they cut her. You know,
it's hard to believe, but when you're seeing the evidence
right there in front of you, this woman is clearly injured,
(04:49):
why would you not believe her?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But then things start to come apart, and rose that
they didn't have to do too much forensic and nowalysis
to start piecing together that the story didn't sound right.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
It came it unraveled pretty quickly. So the first I
believe clue was from police when they found zip ties
in her car that matched, like were identical to the
ones that they found binding her legs and her arms
the night of the attack. So they find the zip
(05:26):
ties in her car. Then in this co conspirator who
we haven't this person who was with her, we don't
know the name. Apparently when they looked at that person's phone,
this was hilarious. They found a Google search. Man, those
Google searches? Do everybody in don't they?
Speaker 1 (05:41):
What was this is funny?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
What was the Google search? Zip ties near me?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know, if you look at mine, everybody has something
in their phone right now right that you had that,
you did something. I probably got brunch near me. Mimosa's
at ten thirty near me. I probably got something like that. Yes,
this was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Store near me?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Zipize what restaurant is open right now? Yes, all of
those those are our Google searches, food and beverages, not
zip ties near me. But I believe perhaps the most
incredible evidence, the most damning evidence.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Was on her phone, so she followed up.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
She went back to the FBI and said, you know,
I need this investigated. She didn't want this to go unanswered.
She gives them her phone because she tells the FBI
agent that after this attack where police found her bound
and brutalized, that she continued to receive threatening messages at work.
(06:40):
So see, she's still under attack, she's fearing for her life.
And so of course the FBI said, let's take a
look at your phone. Let's see who's sending you these
vicious messages. What they found were some messages between this
young lady Green and someone with the job title of
(07:00):
modification scarification artist.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Scarification is that?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yes there?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
So I actually did a deep dive on a Google
search on what a modification scarification artist is and what
they do, and so they find these messages between the
two and a scarification artist are Apparently this is something
that has been done for centuries. This is an ancient
(07:29):
cultural practice, so people have actually they go into business
where they use techniques to cut, scratch, or brand people,
so they intentionally scar the skin. And it's something that
people do for designs for cultural reasons.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
But yes, you can hire someone to scar.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
You but this was specifically and what was the first
part You said scarification in something? What was the first thing?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
It was a body modification scarification artists.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Okay, when I first heard that, I thought this was
someone who worked in Hollywood, like this would be some
kind of an artist. But you're saying, I didn't see
anything that suggested that. But this is not that.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
No, this is like.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yes, and it's it's similar to what we would consider
a tattoo artist. You know, people might think that's an
abomination to put ink in your skin and change your skin.
So this practice actually uses cutting to actually create scars.
And so they found this back and forth between Green
and this scarification artist in Pennsylvania. They reach out to
(08:32):
this artist. She gives law enforcement a copy of a receipt.
Green actually paid this artist five hundred dollars to scar
her body, and she actually provided the exact like, she
gave her a map of how she wanted her cuts
and lash rations and scars to go in a predetermined area.
(08:57):
She had it all planned out. I didn't know you
could hire somebody to.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Do this to you.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Apparently it's big in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I didn't know that this is even a thing. And
I just it's just I imagine it's a painful process.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Well what she at least from the pictures, it looks
like she's going to be scarred for life. She has
like she's been maimed.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
That was the attention.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But she looked like, this is a twenty six year olly,
young woman. Why would you put why would you do
that to yourself voluntarily for the sake of We don't know,
because I have nothing I read suggested a motive. At
least the federal authorities didn't say we believe she did
this for this reason or anything, so you were left
to guess and speculate. But she is messed up. She
(09:42):
has scarred herself for life.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It's and I'm actually surprised. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Obviously, it's a legal, bonafide profession to be a body
modification scarification artist, But I wonder is there any sort
of responsibility on the artist's part if someone asks you
to do something pretty horrific to your body? Is there
any sort of standard or practice that you have to
consider before or check someone's mental health, or check someone's.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
You know, just to just say, okay, I get.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
A tattoo when you're drunk.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yes, exactly, Pay me five hundred dollars and I'll scar
your whole body.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's just wild to me that this exists.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I'm sure I can't imagine the disclaimers you have to
write and do for something like this. Is it you
make licensing? I'm very curious if you can be and
should be licensed to do something.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
When you see these pictures, I'm just imagining, and I'm
not putting this profession into any negative light, but I'm
just thinking as a human being doing that to someone
who's asking.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
You to do it to them. What what was that like?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
When you see the pictures, you'll know what we're talking about.
This isn't just a cool design she wanted scarred on
her box. Oh yeah, this is like it looks as
if she was the victim of a brutal attack.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You asked no questions. You're in business. Somebody comes in
and here's the money. This is what I want. Okay,
knock yourself out. But this is it's I don't know.
And again, the congressman that she worked for, I mean,
he's come out. They don't have it in the official
documents right when they're as far as the court documents,
but he's come out and mentioned it. Everybody knows who
it is, right.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yes, And in fact, when we come back, we will
tell you what this young woman's attorney has said about
this situation and the charges that her client is being
charged with, and we will tell you what the man
who she once worked for, representative from New Jersey Congressman,
Republican Congressman Jeff Andrew, what he had to say about
(11:38):
her arrest. Continuing our conversation about this wild story out
of New Jersey, a twenty six year old former congressional
staffer arrested and charged after sure she paid someone who
(12:03):
is in business to be a body modification scarification artist
to basically make it look as though she was brutally
and viciously attacked, targeted for being or working with a
Republican congressman. She went to great lengths, paid a significant
amount of money to literally be tortured and then try
to pass it off to police as a brutal attack
(12:25):
and the motive.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I haven't seen anybody mention one, at least the authorities,
what the motive might have been. You can only imagine here.
This was an attention seeking to an extreme level. And
I obviously you hear something like this, and you think
about the story our Chicago several years ago with Justice Smlette,
and I say that now, I thought about it. Of
course when the story came up, and I'm reading through articles,
(12:48):
I'm scrolling down, and sure enough, off to the side,
all those algorithms that put up stories about Jesse's Smallette,
it's all over. So yeah, they're making the connection.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
And his motive.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Look, not that it was ever a sound one or
an okay one, but it was so he could get
more money. He was looking to basically create sympathy, and
he was in the middle of negotiating a contract, and
he thought by becoming perhaps the victim of some politically
motivated crime, that there would be a groundswell of support
for him and he could get more money in his contract.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Guess at least the motive we were given. Okay, that
makes some sense. We have heard nothing about this, when yet,
what this could mean?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
What her attorney had to say. This is what she said.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Following these charges being filed. At the age of twenty six,
my client served her community, working full time to assist
the constituents of the congressman with loyalty and fidelity. She
did that while being a full time student. Under the law,
she has presumed innocent and reserves all of her defenses
for presentation.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
In a court of law.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
We got nothing, right now, we got nothing.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And we're not going to tell you anything. We'll save
it for court.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
But just remember she was a full time student and
working on behalf of the constituents in New Jersey. So
she's otherwise a good person and a hard working person
who maybe lost her way.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Sympathy for a student and for a public servant, yes, yes,
but you tell by that if there was something more here,
he would come out forcefully. These facts are not correct, Michael,
or even she's had a mental breakdown, he would say something.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Please give her some grace, exactly now, in terms of
potential mental breakdown. We did also hear from Representative Andrew's
office who basically in some way alluded to this. This
is what their official statement was, knowing that this young
woman did work for them. We are deeply saddened by
yesterday's news, and while Natalie is no longer associated with
(14:39):
the Congressman's government office, our thoughts and prayers are with her.
We hope she is getting the care she needs.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I mean I mean that could be physical care, that
could be mental care, but I do I mean there's
I don't know. I take a beat. I would love
to hear from this girl and what she's been going
through and what her life has been life, Why she
got to such a place that she thought this was
an option. This took a lot of planning, This took
a lot of pain. This wasn't just a silly little
something or make a bad decision. This was really thought.
(15:11):
She had a lot of moments and times to go, nah,
I don't want to do this.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And the other yes, agreed with all of that. That
isn't something that was a rash decision or you know,
kind of a spur of the moment thing.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
She had to research this garification artist. She had to somehow.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
I don't know if she traveled to Pennsylvania to then
go get these lacerations. I'm not sure what all those
details are. The other thing that's glaring to me that
I'm hoping we'll get some more clarity on this other person,
this co conspirator. So it's one thing if you're having
some sort of an issue where you decide premeditated to
(15:47):
do all of these things. This other person you would
hope would be a voice of reason or at least
a sounding ward or someone who could say, wait, what
are you doing? Why are you doing this? And certainly
not let me help you do this. That's that's another
wrinkle in this that I have yet to iron out.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That person has not been arrested, has not been identified exactly. Okay,
so we say a co conspirator because obviously somebody had
to tie her up and somebody called nine to one one. Yes,
that's more than just let me grab some zip ties
for you.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
And perhaps you know how these things work in criminal cases,
maybe that person will be the you know, the number
one witness to this, and they'll be able to build
the case against her, And so they might not file
charges against that person because they'll use that person in
testimony against Green.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
I don't know why. Before I know she's I don't know, man,
I give this young lady. I'm reserving and I just
want to give her such a break because there's something
just feel there's a desperation, something going on in her
life that they're that's not that's more than a matter
of simple all we talk about social media all the time.
If people want instant fame and attention, and how do
(16:52):
you geut go about getting it? Sounds this is more
than just a This isn't a plea for attention. This
is a craft for help. It seems it is, but it's.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Also it's also a crime and I and I point
that out because the valuable resources that were taken away
from something meaningful and actually needed in the community were
then given to her who created this elaborate hope. So
you know, money was spent, time was wasted, and perhaps
resources were misdirected when they could have been used somewhere else.
(17:25):
It and people might say, oh, this is a victimless crime,
but actually that's not the case when you look and
see what goes into someone making a false police report
and making people believe that they've been harmed, where there
is a search that goes on for these three unidentified
men who were on a terror and you know, tortured
this young woman. So a lot of a lot of time,
(17:47):
a lot of money, and a lot of wasted.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Effort was spent.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, they had better shit to do, Yes, yes, and
do this by you're right, you understand right, and talking
about the resources, but also the breach for the public,
because there are people who had real concern for her
when all this happened, so concern for her now for
different reasons. But yeah, she needs to.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah, she is facing a maximum of ten years behind
bars and up to five hundred thousand dollars if convicted.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
So we'll follow this.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
It is a bizarre one certainly got our attention today
and we hope you enjoyed listening to this and again
we'll stay on top of this and all the other
wacky stories of the week. This has been Wow. I
know we've said this a lot, but this has been
a hell of a news week. So we appreciate you
hanging with us. Everybody. I made ROVOC alongside TJ.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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