Amy and T.J. are scratching their heads with the rest of you as to why former MLB player David Justice would throw shade on his ex Halle Berry, 30 years after their divorce.
But if you listen beyond the headline, what he goes on to say is far worse. From explaining how she proposed to him and how he dumped her, he also talks about how they could’ve stayed together… which has to be tough for his current wife of 24 years.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, there are folks. It is Sunday, August tenth, and
the headlines flying on this day say that Halle Berry's
X in a new interview says he left her because
she didn't cook, clean and wasn't motherly. You could imagine
how he is being ripped soundly online right now. But
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here's the thing, folks, that thing he said doesn't even
scratch the surface of his comments. And welcome to this
fired up edition of Baby and TJ. Rose. We did
not plan on recording an episode today, but I will
ask your response before we get context. If you just
see the headline that her ex husband says that she
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didn't cook, she didn't clean, didn't think she was motherly,
and that's why I left her, the reaction to just
that headline without context would be.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
He's an asshole, gotcha? And he is a misogynist. And
the expectations that we all have to fit into these
cookie cook cutter rolls is offensive, especially given the fact
that he chose to marry her. So it's one thing
if you're considering that you know what you want going
into a relationship, what you expect that of a wife,
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and I appreciate that everyone goes into a relationship with
different expectations, but in the middle of a marriage to
then make that, or perhaps thirty years after your marriage ended,
to then make that declaration that three years into your
marriage you were like, Damn, I don't know if I
want this to be the mother of my children. It
just seems offensive because she doesn't cook, she doesn't clean,
and she doesn't seem mom material. Those should have been
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considerations before you entered into a marriage, I would think.
And even if that's where your head was, do you
need to say that out loud? Do you need to
tell everybody that?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So that's the reaction to just the headline. Now, obviously
you have been able to do a deeper dive into
fully what his answer was and we get a little
more context. Do you think if most people got more context,
which we're going to get into, would still have the
same reaction to the headline?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, it would be softened. Soften because he is talking
about where his head was thirty years ago, and even
acknowledges that his upbringing was very specific. I grew up
part of my childho in the Midwest as well. I
understand what he's saying that there were and we're similar ages,
so I understand there was a different mindset back then.
(02:31):
I just think it's kind of silly and puzzling that
he wouldn't have acknowledged or at least considered that this
would not be a good thing to say, Like, what's
the point of saying this now? What's the point of
phrasing it like that?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I would think he would know, as a fifty eight
year old man that he was going to get some
heat and some backlash for saying that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Okay, so that's the other head scratching part, And there's
something here, I mean, just the basics of what we're talking.
You know, I'm gonna give you credit here off the top,
because the reason I wanted to hop on initially and
talk about this is because I saw the headlines. And
then I just I think only read one article that
had a little fuller quote, and I'm like, oh, that
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deserves more context. And what he is saying I thought
was that he actually was too immature and he had
a warped opinion about what a woman or a wife
should be, and I wanted to have that relationship discussion.
And then it turned into something else once I actually
heard his full and it was almost a ten minute
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answer about halle Berry. But Robes, you are the one
who then put it in a better context to what
I thought. Wow, now we have to do an episode
about it. Because all the headlines are talking about halle Berry,
the Oscar winner. All the headlines are talking about David Justice,
the pro ballplayer, her ex husband. The most important person.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
In this story is his current wife.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Missus David Justice his wife of how many years?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He married her in two thousand and one, so twenty
four years.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Smart you said this to me, and it was almost
like I just hit my forehead, like holy hell. In
this whole conversation, how awful must it be to have
your husband of twenty four years? And we'll get into
his exact quote, but he said we could have worked
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out had we gone to therapy. He said things said
that no current wife wants to hear her husband say
about an ex period.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And I don't even think you have to know what
it's like to be married or divorced, or if you
just have an ex and you or your partner has
an ex, you probably don't want your partner to talk
about his or her ex. Ever, but certainly not publicly,
and certainly not if she's considered probably one of the
most beautiful women in the world. And then for you
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to say, you know what, if we had just known
about therapy, if I had just gone to therapy, we
probably could have worked things out. All I could think
about was his wife of twenty four years and how
awful that must have felt. And even if she knows
him and she loves him and she gets the contact
and the perspective, you can't tell me that doesn't sting.
That hurts to hear, and it's unnecessary to say out loud,
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and it's wildly unnecessary to say with a microphone.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And it's everywhere right now. It is. It's everywhere. Everybody's
talking about it. And that headline, in particular is everywhere.
The headlines ranged from they do. They range from she
wasn't motherly, she didn't cook, she didn't clean. They also
talk about him being a breadwinner. They also talk all
these headlines. There is nothing a current wife wants to
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see about the past relationship. But you I didn't even
look at any of them, But could just give me
an idea again of what the blowback is right now
against the David Justice, even amongst people on his.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Own the blowback. The blowback against David Justice has been
swift and fierce. Those are the two ways I can
put it, and mostly coming from women who are just saying,
I'll paraphrase basically, how dare you say that your expectations
were that a woman should cook and clean? Then they
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talk about Halle Berry. Oh, she was supposed to go
and continue to make award winning movies, bust her ass
around the world, bringing in a ton of money, and
then come home and cook and clean for you? Are
you kidding me? Or in her twenties she didn't appear motherly.
I can tell you right now I didn't either, and
I think I'm a pretty damn good mom. But in
my twenties, when I was working my ass off, I
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don't think people, anyone who knew me, would have said, Wow,
she's the mom in the making. Like you know, I
just think that's so unfair. We're supposed to wear all
these hats and here's this beautiful, successful, talented way and
he is talking about she wasn't good enough for him
because she didn't cook, clean and appeared to be motherly.
That is wildly offensive and so yes, as you can imagine,
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every woman who felt the need has pounced on him.
They've even gone onto his Instagram page where he was
actually trying to Here's the funny thing. His latest post
on Instagram is about Epstein. Okay, it's about like, you know,
the Democrats and the Republicancies. It's hilarious. It's almost like
a reverse wag the dog of what Trump's doing. He
wants people to talk about Epstein on his on his
Instagram page because he doesn't want people talking about his
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personal stupid comments he made about Halle Berry. So anyway,
on that latest post, everyone's jumping on and just talking
about him and throw and shaded him and saying and
people did mention his wife too and said how does
she feel? How does she feel you talking about your
someone you divorced thirty years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That is that's worth noting. They divorced literally.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Thirty thirty years ago, and this is coming up today
why we don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But that again, I wanted you to give you credit
for bringing up the most relevant or the person at
least our hearts should go out to most in this
story is his wife, his current wife. But if you
don't know, folks, if you kept up, David Justice was
a superstar in Major League Baseball, won a couple of
World Series with Atlanta Braves. He was a stud, but yes,
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he was married to halle Berry in the early nineties.
But the past few days he went on a podcast.
This podcast went an hour and fifty minutes. A lot
was covered only about ten minutes on halle Berry. But
that's the thing that's making all the headlines because he said,
like we said, he's the breadwinner. She didn't cook, she
didn't clean, repeatedly reminded us that he left her and
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claimed she wasn't motherly again. This is her first husband.
Met in ninety two, married in ninety three, divorced in
ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
He also said that he didn't even propose to her.
I thought this was kind of again unnecessary and seemed egotistical,
and it could all be true, but he kind of
acted like he just wasn't that into her and she
was really into him, and that he eventually just kind
of said, eh, meh, not for me. That's just unnecessary.
He said. She proposed to him after five months, and
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he claims he was so taken aback and shocked by it.
He said yes because he felt like he couldn't say no.
He actually intimated that he felt pressure to say yes
because halle Berry was yes, probably considered at that point
the most beautiful woman in the world. So who would
say no to halle Berry if she asked you to
marry her?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And then fives.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Five months he said they were dating and then they
got married, and kind of just claimed he was overwhelmed
and pressured into saying yes, it could be true. But
why do you need to say that.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
There's the thing there, it's that's just hurt.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Who wins. Who wins by saying who wins the right
to say it?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's hard to criticize somebody for just speaking if they
want to get off his chest. I don't know, but man,
that's tough. Even if it is true, it's so unnecessary
after thirty years, it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Felt like he'd been dying to say all of this
stuff for thirty years, he did say in the podcast.
At the time when their divorce was made public, he
claims that was kind of the first time he really
experienced bad press. They both experienced they press, and his
mom told him, do not say a bad word about her,
do not talk about her, do not say anything negative,
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And so he said he absolutely followed his mom's advice
and did just that and stayed out of it despite
anything that was being said, even these rumors and allegations
that apparently he could have been one of the people,
or at least the person that Hallie Barry had generically
referenced as having physically abused her. He did deny it,
and he has many, many times denied it, but he's
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always been upset that she never cleared his name. She
never said for the record, it was never David Justice,
so he, I think has some resentment from that.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It felt like thirty years, okay, thirty years on a
random podcast. And again, folks, reminder, this is not an
interview about Halle Berry. This is an hour and fifty
minute podcast interview in which ten minutes tops were spent
on her and in fact, Robes when they first were like,
why is he talking about her? My first thought before
I looked into this were well, I'm probably he just
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was asked and he answered a question. That's not exactly
how it went down. He didn't have to bring her
name up at all. He was not asked about her.
He decided to go there, and in fact, we have
the question verbatim Robes that doesn't look to me. They're
not even guiding him towards all this, he said about
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Hali Berry.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Look, we know how it's done, either whether it's a
podcast or it's a national news story. Reporters journalists know
that there are certain people, certain parts of someone's past
that will likely make headlines. And oftentimes reporters will fashion
questions around certain subjects to see if they'll answer, if
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a celebrity will answer, and there will be an opportunity
for a headline. This was not the case in this
I don't even see halle Berry's name in this question.
Should he read no, we should read the question. This
is the question he.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Was asked, and again I thought it was important to
have it verbatim here to see some context of his
answer and that he did not have to This is
thirty years ago. I don't know if why her name
came up the question verbatim, learning and transitioning. What was
it like having personal stuff public, such as relationships and
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stuff like that? How hard was that then? Because again,
if there's bullshit out there and you just kind of
have to go with it because there's no real filter
or excuse me, opportunity for you to speak your piece. Now.
That is a question one of the hosts asked. And
what he was saying there wasn't so media back then,
so you couldn't just jump on and respond to it
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now he said, relationships and stuff like that. That was
a softball. Go any direction you want with this, and
this is what he decided to respond.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So he said, so, I didn't really have any real
personal stuff until you know, Halle and I got together.
And of course that was a lot of focus because
back in them times, I can't think other than Joe
Demaggio and Marilyn Monroe. I can't think of anybody before
that was us. I can't think of no one. And
then Halle coming up young and being hot and trying
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to make her career and then you got me, you
know it was It really wasn't a lot of negative
attention until I decided to leave her.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Okay, so far, so good in the answer. I mean,
he didn't have to remind fine, but if that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He could have just said when we divorced, but instead
he okay, that's just the tip of the iceboat.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But did you think that was a choice?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
One hundred percent? It was a choice he wanted everyone
to know that he left her.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
But we if we know that now, why do we
need a reminder of that thirty year his ego? You
really a hundred percent okay, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Why else would you need to say that what could
be gained by saying gained?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Then there's no answer to that.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think that it was ego and maybe even some resentment.
I think some resentment for her not clearing his name,
about the allegations of some man in her life having
hit her again.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Like Robe said, he was just getting started.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
In nineteen ninety six, I remember Hallie saying to me,
you know, she asked me to marry her after knowing
me for five months, and I said, okay, but I
couldn't say no. I said, okay, but I don't know
if my heart was really into it. But I didn't
want to make her feel bad and say no, you know,
or I was just in the moment. It caught me
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off guard, but I was like, cool, we're getting along,
revibing again. We're only five months in. We're still in
the honeymoon stage. Oh that is such a slap in
the face.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
He took some liberties there.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
With my intonation I did not take any liberties with
the words spoken.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, the it wasn't exact quote. Okay, So you're taking
issue with this, Okay, it's just mean, it's unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Perhaps it's just speaking to his ego. But if it's fact,
it can be fact. I'm not disputed, right, it might
all be fact. But justify why you need to talk
about this in this way fashioned with I wasn't really
that into her, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
And this next one, though, here Robes, this is the
one where I started to get your point. And this
is the one where his current wife of twenty four years,
mother of his three children, might take issue.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And all of a sudden, I met Hallie May of
nineteen ninety two, and we got married January one, nineteen
ninety three. But we and a lot of time apart
because she was doing movies in this country, that country,
And honestly, we probably could have made it if I
knew about therapy, If we knew about therapy, we probably
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could have made it.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Out she'said, it's a truth. Okay, that's not a mean
statement in regard to your relationship with halle Berry. But
that's a painful one for his current wife very much so,
but okay, but we don't know their relationship.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Maybe they talk about this all the time.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I know it, okay, and I thought about that. Even
if they do.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You still don't want him talking about it publicly, because
it does depend on who your partner is. Some people
don't mind, some people think whatever, I don't care. But
I'm thinking about it from a woman's respective and maybe
she's a stronger, more confident woman than me. But I
certainly would have a little bit of insecurity knowing that
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my husband, even if I had been with him for
twenty four hours, had been having sex with Halle Berry
when she was at her absolute fight and hottest, that
would always be a little bit of an eye wow,
I you know. So then to have him talk about it,
we could have made it if we had therapy. I
was just like, Oh, that hurts.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That hurts.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It has to hurt a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Even if he never gave this interview.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You still have that in the back. You totally would.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Still have that is still would But folks, those are
just a few of the quotes. The one that got
everybody worked up, the one about she don't cook, she
don't clean. Well, there's a little context needed with that one,
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all right, The headline making quote from David Justice, the
ex husband of Patley Berry, who is I guess everybody
worked up right now, Robes because it says she don't cook,
she don't clean, she's not motherly, and he says that's
why he divorced her thirty years ago. Yes, you can
scratch your head about what he's talking about thirty years
but yes, he did an interviewn a podcast and this
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part of it came out. But Robes, this now is
the quote that got everybody worked up.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, this was the headline making portion of his podcast interview.
So David Justice says this, we never had any major
issues like that. It's just like, because I was young
and had only been in honestly one real relationship before her,
my knowledge and my understanding and my wisdom around relationships
just wasn't fast. And I look at my mom and
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I'm a Midwest guy, So in my mind I'm thinking
a wife at that time should cook, clean, And then
I'm thinking, Okay, if we have kids, is this the
woman I want to have kids with and building a
family with. And at that time, as a young guy,
she don't cook, she don't clean, don't really seem like
motherly and then we start having issues.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Okay, whoo, Okay, Look.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I got married in nineteen ninety six, so the first
time even then, and I am a little bit younger
than the two of them. Even then, I cannot imagine
my then husband or anyone who I was with expecting
me to cook and clean, because I know the mid
nineties and I'm from the Midwest, and look, I think,
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I mean, everyone can have their own expectation. But it's
just interesting me that you would go into a marriage
knowing that that's what you think a woman should do,
and know when you're marrying a movie star. That makes like,
at the time, my husband knew he was marrying a
career woman, and so that's I don't understand how you
can hold both of those beliefs at the same time
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and still marry someone.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Okay, let's take it back layer by layer a little bit.
Now to this day, I would say there are people
in parts of this country, well all over the country, sure,
all over the world, some parts who do have an expectation, yep,
of what a man and a woman are supposed to
do in a relationship and what their responsibilities are around
a house knock yourselves out, exactly. I think we've gotten
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farther away from that as the years go by. But
if we go back a decade or two or three,
for a kid who was from the Midwest, as he
said and what he saw, I would take him at
his word.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Oh I'm not disagreeing with Like, look again, I'm a
kid from the Midwest about his same age. My mom
stayed home for a large part of my childhood. She
did go back and become a teacher when we went
back to school, which I think is fairly standard, and
but she was home when we were home and all
of that, and I think that's a beautiful thing. I
think that's a really honestly, it's one of the most
admirable things I think you can do as a woman. However,
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if you enter into a relationship with somebody who is
not of that mindset, oh yeah, oh hello with exactly.
So that's why I'm like, you just figured that out.
You knew who she was, you knew what she did
for a living.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But here is my and this is where I thought
most of our conversation was going to come is because
when he said that, I thought he was admitting I
was a young idiot who didn't have vast in his words,
relationship knowledge or experience or wisdom. I thought, in a mate,
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or as in a woman, she should be doing this,
this and this and this career woman, this movie star
over here didn't do this, this and this, and therefore
it didn't work. I thought, when I saw the context
for me, it made sense now him having to say
it out loud, and having to say it now when
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he wasn't specifically asked about this. I'll scratch my head,
but I thought it was at the time, Like, isn't
that a worthy thing that we examined in all kinds
of relationships, no matter where you are. Sometimes robes these
things don't fit. He's admitting he was too immature and
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wasn't ready for that relationship.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yes, and I actually believe everything he said. I take
him at his word, and I do think there could
be some value to saying something, but maybe not in
the way he said it. Look, we look back. I'm
not here to sit on or to stand on my
pedestal and look down at anyone and judge anyone. I
got married at twenty two, and I didn't know what
I was doing, and I it was my first relationship
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that I ever had in my life. It was my
first serious boyfriend ever. What did I know? And a
lot of those relationships can work and be amazing and beautiful.
I get that, But a lot of times you don't
know who you are, you don't know who the other
person is, and life just and I get that, and
you have different expectations and you come from different parts
of the world, and I get that. I just don't
know what the value was in him saying that. And
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I just think when you read the or you we
listened to it, listen to everything he had to say
about that relationship. It it was said through a lens
of your resentment. He and whether he wants to admit
that or not, maybe going back and listening to it,
and he can say, man, I think I have some
unresolved anger issues towards Hallie, and that's how I look
at it. But what's happening now is he's getting all
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the incoming and so he'll hit the lesson. We'll be
learned and it'll be a tough one. And I don't
want to pile on. But anything you.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Said, I don't think you have been piling on. I
would say pumped the brakes ifbout thought, so okay, But
you just gave me a light bulb moment in that
I was ready for discussion about that specific quote when
I saw it, because I saw the context of what
he was saying. I thought he was taken out of
context in headlines and used for clickbait. I said, Oh,
that's a worthy discussion just about that thing and what
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his expectations of a woman were then versus maybe what
they are now. When I listened to the entire interview,
like you just said, when you take it in a
fuller context with everything else, he seems to your point Robes,
he had some things to unpack. He was asked one
question and went on for eight to ten minutes about
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halle Berry.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Podcast hosts were very smart not to interrupt.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
They just said, and oh, yeah, I see. They just
let go ahead. They didn't follow up, they didn't push
the conversation. He just let it go. Why, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't know that he knows.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Again, this isn't the worst thing in the world. Nobody
has been. If he has something on his mind, he
has a right to say it. But my goodness, it
did to your You've just made that light bulb go
off ropes in fuller context, it's hard to just take
it as.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And if you don't think that, can we can we
please read the last thing he said about her, because
to your point and to what I was saying, I
think this really which one is an example of yes,
she really did love me. I mean, okay, so here's
this is where I was like, dude, come on, like stop, uh,
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here's what he said. If I was so bad as
a husband, she's be like, I'm so glad he left
me because it's like it was hard for her to
find the next dude. It wasn't hard for her to
find the next dude, but she kept my name in
her mouth because she wanted to be with me. She
wanted us to work out. And I now know that
I've gotten a lot older. And when I look back
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now that I've gotten a lot older, and when I
look back when I got in my thirties and I
look back on that situation, I'm like, that girl really
did love me. And I can see why she would
be so mad at me, because imagine if you really
love somebody and then they tell you they want to
break up, and ain't nothing you can say to get
them back. That had to be tough on her. I
just wasn't emotionally mature at that age to understand the
magnitude of what she was feeling. That is the most backhanded.
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I don't even think it was a compliment. That is,
he was twisting the knife. She loved me so bad,
And now that I look back, I feel bad because
I really dumped her flat on her ass and there
was nothing she could do, and she kept saying my name,
but I just wanted nothing to do with her, poor thing.
I wish I could have been nicer to her. That's
what he just said. Oh my god, am I wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm trying to find a way to stick up with
David Justice right now, and I'm trying to look he
had a moment. Maybe he had a bad one. Maybe
he's proud of what he said. Maybe he's been waiting
thirty years to say that. Maybe that's meaningful to him,
Maybe that gets him to whatever point. I don't know,
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So I don't want to judge him for what he
decided to say, but it's it makes you scratch your
head about why this needed to be said. And again,
further context robes was it didn't the initial quote in
the headlines, there are nothing compared to what is actually
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in there.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You were so you listened to it first, and then
I listened to it after you. You were like, oh
my god, why what? And I was thinking to myself,
what is he like? What else did he say? And
it is actually when you listen to it, if you
go back and listen to the podcast, just a ten
minute blurb, how far into it did was.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
The actually eight nine minutes, twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Minutes into it? Okay, So if you want to listen
to it, and I would encourage everybody to do so,
it actually is more cringey than the headlines actually make it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
See absolutely, and you scratch your head about why and Rose,
all the relationship talks and conversations and podcasts we do,
where do you break this one down? About letting go,
about separation, about how many decades? About being over it,
about I don't know, resolving those issues, about finally airing
this out? Does it need to be public in public relationship? Ah,
(27:38):
there's so much here that he just unleashed. And the
point being he was not asked about halle Berry.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
He'd been dying to say it. That's all I could
tell you and look to each his own. I have
found that therapy is he talked about therapy between him
and halle could have helped. I think just having someone
you can say these things too, get them off your chest,
let yourself experience the emotion you're feeling, whether it's anger
or regret, whatever it is, and then let it go
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and be at peace with yourself, and be at peace
with that person and forgive them, give them grace, but
give yourself grace. This is an absolute to me example
of why even if you don't, if you can't afford
a therapist, that shit's expensive, have a best friend who
you trust, who you can just say what you need
to say to. But everyone needs to tell somebody apparently,
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just don't do it. On a podcast thirty years later, was.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It ninety six? Really divorce ninety six? Fudge?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I know thirty years? Who was I dating thirty years?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That was in him too, That was like a big
thorn in him. Maybe he feels better, maybe it's released.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And you know what, maybe feels good about what he
did there and again questioning we've talked about it here,
roues what halle Berry at least means to me the
significance of certainly what we were going through at a time.
And no, we're not friends. She would hang out at
my house. I don't hang out of hers.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But she was kind.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
But she was kind and I've spent more time with
her than most are blessed to do so. But she
reached out and was kind and I will forever, forever
be grateful for that. But I'm robes the times I've
spent with her. One of the first things that stand
out about her is how motherly she is.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Isn't that funny? I remember you talking about her, saying
you listed her accolades, you know, Oscar winner, and she said,
you left out my most important role mom.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
And any time I'm telling you, half the time that
there is a text exchange, she's in the middle of
doing this or something with the kids literally on the
road or the kids in the car, I'm going to
hear it. It's just that's the only thing I will
say in defense of and nothing that I need to
defend her. But to see those headlines, obviously Rose, we
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were good to see, Like what the heck?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, And like I'll just reiterate anyone who knew me
in my twenties. Would never describe me as, oh, she's
going to be a good mom.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
No, that thirty is either.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Sorry, I had ava twenty nine, so that's slightly offensive.
But okay, I see where you're going with this. But no,
but a lot of career minded women you aren't. And look,
I think it's amazing when you know, oh, all I
want to be is a mom. That's fucking beautiful. That
was nothing that I ever said. And we can have
all sorts of different moms and women who become moms,
and we can all be great moms in different ways.
(30:21):
But I think that's also just defensive to a lot
of women. Yes, we to be perceived a certain way
that makes you not mom material not fair, not fair.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's tough, but it's always worth us having a conversation
about these such things when they come up. Don't have
to be nasty and take down David Justice, don't have
to take the very side. I don't have to take one,
but it's still worthy anytime we can calmly move forward
on a conversation like this. So, folks, we always appreciate
you spending some time with us.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I'm DJ Holt and I'm Amy Robock. Have a wonderful
rest of your day,
Hey, there are folks. It is Sunday, August tenth, and
the headlines flying on this day say that Halle Berry's
X in a new interview says he left her because
she didn't cook, clean and wasn't motherly. You could imagine
how he is being ripped soundly online right now. But
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here's the thing, folks, that thing he said doesn't even
scratch the surface of his comments. And welcome to this
fired up edition of Baby and TJ. Rose. We did
not plan on recording an episode today, but I will
ask your response before we get context. If you just
see the headline that her ex husband says that she
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didn't cook, she didn't clean, didn't think she was motherly,
and that's why I left her, the reaction to just
that headline without context would be.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
He's an asshole, gotcha? And he is a misogynist. And
the expectations that we all have to fit into these
cookie cook cutter rolls is offensive, especially given the fact
that he chose to marry her. So it's one thing
if you're considering that you know what you want going
into a relationship, what you expect that of a wife,
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and I appreciate that everyone goes into a relationship with
different expectations, but in the middle of a marriage to
then make that, or perhaps thirty years after your marriage ended,
to then make that declaration that three years into your
marriage you were like, Damn, I don't know if I
want this to be the mother of my children. It
just seems offensive because she doesn't cook, she doesn't clean,
and she doesn't seem mom material. Those should have been
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considerations before you entered into a marriage, I would think.
And even if that's where your head was, do you
need to say that out loud? Do you need to
tell everybody that?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
So that's the reaction to just the headline. Now, obviously
you have been able to do a deeper dive into
fully what his answer was and we get a little
more context. Do you think if most people got more context,
which we're going to get into, would still have the
same reaction to the headline?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, it would be softened. Soften because he is talking
about where his head was thirty years ago, and even
acknowledges that his upbringing was very specific. I grew up
part of my childho in the Midwest as well. I
understand what he's saying that there were and we're similar ages,
so I understand there was a different mindset back then.
(02:31):
I just think it's kind of silly and puzzling that
he wouldn't have acknowledged or at least considered that this
would not be a good thing to say, Like, what's
the point of saying this now? What's the point of
phrasing it like that?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
I would think he would know, as a fifty eight
year old man that he was going to get some
heat and some backlash for saying that.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Okay, so that's the other head scratching part, And there's
something here, I mean, just the basics of what we're talking.
You know, I'm gonna give you credit here off the top,
because the reason I wanted to hop on initially and
talk about this is because I saw the headlines. And
then I just I think only read one article that
had a little fuller quote, and I'm like, oh, that
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deserves more context. And what he is saying I thought
was that he actually was too immature and he had
a warped opinion about what a woman or a wife
should be, and I wanted to have that relationship discussion.
And then it turned into something else once I actually
heard his full and it was almost a ten minute
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answer about halle Berry. But Robes, you are the one
who then put it in a better context to what
I thought. Wow, now we have to do an episode
about it. Because all the headlines are talking about halle Berry,
the Oscar winner. All the headlines are talking about David Justice,
the pro ballplayer, her ex husband. The most important person.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
In this story is his current wife.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Missus David Justice his wife of how many years?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
He married her in two thousand and one, so twenty
four years.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Smart you said this to me, and it was almost
like I just hit my forehead, like holy hell. In
this whole conversation, how awful must it be to have
your husband of twenty four years? And we'll get into
his exact quote, but he said we could have worked
(04:30):
out had we gone to therapy. He said things said
that no current wife wants to hear her husband say
about an ex period.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
And I don't even think you have to know what
it's like to be married or divorced, or if you
just have an ex and you or your partner has
an ex, you probably don't want your partner to talk
about his or her ex. Ever, but certainly not publicly,
and certainly not if she's considered probably one of the
most beautiful women in the world. And then for you
(05:05):
to say, you know what, if we had just known
about therapy, if I had just gone to therapy, we
probably could have worked things out. All I could think
about was his wife of twenty four years and how
awful that must have felt. And even if she knows
him and she loves him and she gets the contact
and the perspective, you can't tell me that doesn't sting.
That hurts to hear, and it's unnecessary to say out loud,
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and it's wildly unnecessary to say with a microphone.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
And it's everywhere right now. It is. It's everywhere. Everybody's
talking about it. And that headline, in particular is everywhere.
The headlines ranged from they do. They range from she
wasn't motherly, she didn't cook, she didn't clean. They also
talk about him being a breadwinner. They also talk all
these headlines. There is nothing a current wife wants to
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see about the past relationship. But you I didn't even
look at any of them, But could just give me
an idea again of what the blowback is right now
against the David Justice, even amongst people on his.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Own the blowback. The blowback against David Justice has been
swift and fierce. Those are the two ways I can
put it, and mostly coming from women who are just saying,
I'll paraphrase basically, how dare you say that your expectations
were that a woman should cook and clean? Then they
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talk about Halle Berry. Oh, she was supposed to go
and continue to make award winning movies, bust her ass
around the world, bringing in a ton of money, and
then come home and cook and clean for you? Are
you kidding me? Or in her twenties she didn't appear motherly.
I can tell you right now I didn't either, and
I think I'm a pretty damn good mom. But in
my twenties, when I was working my ass off, I
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don't think people, anyone who knew me, would have said, Wow,
she's the mom in the making. Like you know, I
just think that's so unfair. We're supposed to wear all
these hats and here's this beautiful, successful, talented way and
he is talking about she wasn't good enough for him
because she didn't cook, clean and appeared to be motherly.
That is wildly offensive and so yes, as you can imagine,
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every woman who felt the need has pounced on him.
They've even gone onto his Instagram page where he was
actually trying to Here's the funny thing. His latest post
on Instagram is about Epstein. Okay, it's about like, you know,
the Democrats and the Republicancies. It's hilarious. It's almost like
a reverse wag the dog of what Trump's doing. He
wants people to talk about Epstein on his on his
Instagram page because he doesn't want people talking about his
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personal stupid comments he made about Halle Berry. So anyway,
on that latest post, everyone's jumping on and just talking
about him and throw and shaded him and saying and
people did mention his wife too and said how does
she feel? How does she feel you talking about your
someone you divorced thirty years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That is that's worth noting. They divorced literally.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Thirty thirty years ago, and this is coming up today
why we don't know.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
But that again, I wanted you to give you credit
for bringing up the most relevant or the person at
least our hearts should go out to most in this
story is his wife, his current wife. But if you
don't know, folks, if you kept up, David Justice was
a superstar in Major League Baseball, won a couple of
World Series with Atlanta Braves. He was a stud, but yes,
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he was married to halle Berry in the early nineties.
But the past few days he went on a podcast.
This podcast went an hour and fifty minutes. A lot
was covered only about ten minutes on halle Berry. But
that's the thing that's making all the headlines because he said,
like we said, he's the breadwinner. She didn't cook, she
didn't clean, repeatedly reminded us that he left her and
(08:45):
claimed she wasn't motherly again. This is her first husband.
Met in ninety two, married in ninety three, divorced in
ninety seven.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
He also said that he didn't even propose to her.
I thought this was kind of again unnecessary and seemed egotistical,
and it could all be true, but he kind of
acted like he just wasn't that into her and she
was really into him, and that he eventually just kind
of said, eh, meh, not for me. That's just unnecessary.
He said. She proposed to him after five months, and
(09:14):
he claims he was so taken aback and shocked by it.
He said yes because he felt like he couldn't say no.
He actually intimated that he felt pressure to say yes
because halle Berry was yes, probably considered at that point
the most beautiful woman in the world. So who would
say no to halle Berry if she asked you to
marry her?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And then fives.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Five months he said they were dating and then they
got married, and kind of just claimed he was overwhelmed
and pressured into saying yes, it could be true. But
why do you need to say that.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
There's the thing there, it's that's just hurt.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Who wins. Who wins by saying who wins the right
to say it?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's hard to criticize somebody for just speaking if they
want to get off his chest. I don't know, but man,
that's tough. Even if it is true, it's so unnecessary
after thirty years, it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Felt like he'd been dying to say all of this
stuff for thirty years, he did say in the podcast.
At the time when their divorce was made public, he
claims that was kind of the first time he really
experienced bad press. They both experienced they press, and his
mom told him, do not say a bad word about her,
do not talk about her, do not say anything negative,
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And so he said he absolutely followed his mom's advice
and did just that and stayed out of it despite
anything that was being said, even these rumors and allegations
that apparently he could have been one of the people,
or at least the person that Hallie Barry had generically
referenced as having physically abused her. He did deny it,
and he has many, many times denied it, but he's
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always been upset that she never cleared his name. She
never said for the record, it was never David Justice,
so he, I think has some resentment from that.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
It felt like thirty years, okay, thirty years on a
random podcast. And again, folks, reminder, this is not an
interview about Halle Berry. This is an hour and fifty
minute podcast interview in which ten minutes tops were spent
on her and in fact, Robes when they first were like,
why is he talking about her? My first thought before
I looked into this were well, I'm probably he just
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was asked and he answered a question. That's not exactly
how it went down. He didn't have to bring her
name up at all. He was not asked about her.
He decided to go there, and in fact, we have
the question verbatim Robes that doesn't look to me. They're
not even guiding him towards all this, he said about
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Hali Berry.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Look, we know how it's done, either whether it's a
podcast or it's a national news story. Reporters journalists know
that there are certain people, certain parts of someone's past
that will likely make headlines. And oftentimes reporters will fashion
questions around certain subjects to see if they'll answer, if
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a celebrity will answer, and there will be an opportunity
for a headline. This was not the case in this
I don't even see halle Berry's name in this question.
Should he read no, we should read the question. This
is the question he.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Was asked, and again I thought it was important to
have it verbatim here to see some context of his
answer and that he did not have to This is
thirty years ago. I don't know if why her name
came up the question verbatim, learning and transitioning. What was
it like having personal stuff public, such as relationships and
(12:42):
stuff like that? How hard was that then? Because again,
if there's bullshit out there and you just kind of
have to go with it because there's no real filter
or excuse me, opportunity for you to speak your piece. Now.
That is a question one of the hosts asked. And
what he was saying there wasn't so media back then,
so you couldn't just jump on and respond to it
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now he said, relationships and stuff like that. That was
a softball. Go any direction you want with this, and
this is what he decided to respond.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So he said, so, I didn't really have any real
personal stuff until you know, Halle and I got together.
And of course that was a lot of focus because
back in them times, I can't think other than Joe
Demaggio and Marilyn Monroe. I can't think of anybody before
that was us. I can't think of no one. And
then Halle coming up young and being hot and trying
(13:37):
to make her career and then you got me, you
know it was It really wasn't a lot of negative
attention until I decided to leave her.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Okay, so far, so good in the answer. I mean,
he didn't have to remind fine, but if that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
He could have just said when we divorced, but instead
he okay, that's just the tip of the iceboat.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
But did you think that was a choice?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
One hundred percent? It was a choice he wanted everyone
to know that he left her.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
But we if we know that now, why do we
need a reminder of that thirty year his ego? You
really a hundred percent okay, I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Why else would you need to say that what could
be gained by saying gained?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Then there's no answer to that.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think that it was ego and maybe even some resentment.
I think some resentment for her not clearing his name,
about the allegations of some man in her life having
hit her again.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Like Robe said, he was just getting started.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
In nineteen ninety six, I remember Hallie saying to me,
you know, she asked me to marry her after knowing
me for five months, and I said, okay, but I
couldn't say no. I said, okay, but I don't know
if my heart was really into it. But I didn't
want to make her feel bad and say no, you know,
or I was just in the moment. It caught me
(14:54):
off guard, but I was like, cool, we're getting along,
revibing again. We're only five months in. We're still in
the honeymoon stage. Oh that is such a slap in
the face.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
He took some liberties there.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
With my intonation I did not take any liberties with
the words spoken.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Okay, the it wasn't exact quote. Okay, So you're taking
issue with this, Okay, it's just mean, it's unnecessary.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Perhaps it's just speaking to his ego. But if it's fact,
it can be fact. I'm not disputed, right, it might
all be fact. But justify why you need to talk
about this in this way fashioned with I wasn't really
that into her, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
And this next one, though, here Robes, this is the
one where I started to get your point. And this
is the one where his current wife of twenty four years,
mother of his three children, might take issue.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And all of a sudden, I met Hallie May of
nineteen ninety two, and we got married January one, nineteen
ninety three. But we and a lot of time apart
because she was doing movies in this country, that country,
And honestly, we probably could have made it if I
knew about therapy, If we knew about therapy, we probably
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could have made it.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Out she'said, it's a truth. Okay, that's not a mean
statement in regard to your relationship with halle Berry. But
that's a painful one for his current wife very much so,
but okay, but we don't know their relationship.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Maybe they talk about this all the time.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I know it, okay, and I thought about that. Even
if they do.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
You still don't want him talking about it publicly, because
it does depend on who your partner is. Some people
don't mind, some people think whatever, I don't care. But
I'm thinking about it from a woman's respective and maybe
she's a stronger, more confident woman than me. But I
certainly would have a little bit of insecurity knowing that
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my husband, even if I had been with him for
twenty four hours, had been having sex with Halle Berry
when she was at her absolute fight and hottest, that
would always be a little bit of an eye wow,
I you know. So then to have him talk about it,
we could have made it if we had therapy. I
was just like, Oh, that hurts.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That hurts.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
It has to hurt a little bit.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Even if he never gave this interview.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
You still have that in the back. You totally would.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Still have that is still would But folks, those are
just a few of the quotes. The one that got
everybody worked up, the one about she don't cook, she
don't clean. Well, there's a little context needed with that one,
(17:43):
all right, The headline making quote from David Justice, the
ex husband of Patley Berry, who is I guess everybody
worked up right now, Robes because it says she don't cook,
she don't clean, she's not motherly, and he says that's
why he divorced her thirty years ago. Yes, you can
scratch your head about what he's talking about thirty years
but yes, he did an interviewn a podcast and this
(18:03):
part of it came out. But Robes, this now is
the quote that got everybody worked up.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, this was the headline making portion of his podcast interview.
So David Justice says this, we never had any major
issues like that. It's just like, because I was young
and had only been in honestly one real relationship before her,
my knowledge and my understanding and my wisdom around relationships
just wasn't fast. And I look at my mom and
(18:29):
I'm a Midwest guy, So in my mind I'm thinking
a wife at that time should cook, clean, And then
I'm thinking, Okay, if we have kids, is this the
woman I want to have kids with and building a
family with. And at that time, as a young guy,
she don't cook, she don't clean, don't really seem like
motherly and then we start having issues.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Okay, whoo, Okay, Look.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I got married in nineteen ninety six, so the first
time even then, and I am a little bit younger
than the two of them. Even then, I cannot imagine
my then husband or anyone who I was with expecting
me to cook and clean, because I know the mid
nineties and I'm from the Midwest, and look, I think,
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I mean, everyone can have their own expectation. But it's
just interesting me that you would go into a marriage
knowing that that's what you think a woman should do,
and know when you're marrying a movie star. That makes like,
at the time, my husband knew he was marrying a
career woman, and so that's I don't understand how you
can hold both of those beliefs at the same time
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and still marry someone.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Okay, let's take it back layer by layer a little bit.
Now to this day, I would say there are people
in parts of this country, well all over the country, sure,
all over the world, some parts who do have an expectation, yep,
of what a man and a woman are supposed to
do in a relationship and what their responsibilities are around
a house knock yourselves out, exactly. I think we've gotten
(20:06):
farther away from that as the years go by. But
if we go back a decade or two or three,
for a kid who was from the Midwest, as he
said and what he saw, I would take him at
his word.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Oh I'm not disagreeing with Like, look again, I'm a
kid from the Midwest about his same age. My mom
stayed home for a large part of my childhood. She
did go back and become a teacher when we went
back to school, which I think is fairly standard, and
but she was home when we were home and all
of that, and I think that's a beautiful thing. I
think that's a really honestly, it's one of the most
admirable things I think you can do as a woman. However,
(20:40):
if you enter into a relationship with somebody who is
not of that mindset, oh yeah, oh hello with exactly.
So that's why I'm like, you just figured that out.
You knew who she was, you knew what she did
for a living.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
But here is my and this is where I thought
most of our conversation was going to come is because
when he said that, I thought he was admitting I
was a young idiot who didn't have vast in his words,
relationship knowledge or experience or wisdom. I thought, in a mate,
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or as in a woman, she should be doing this,
this and this and this career woman, this movie star
over here didn't do this, this and this, and therefore
it didn't work. I thought, when I saw the context
for me, it made sense now him having to say
it out loud, and having to say it now when
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he wasn't specifically asked about this. I'll scratch my head,
but I thought it was at the time, Like, isn't
that a worthy thing that we examined in all kinds
of relationships, no matter where you are. Sometimes robes these
things don't fit. He's admitting he was too immature and
(21:56):
wasn't ready for that relationship.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yes, and I actually believe everything he said. I take
him at his word, and I do think there could
be some value to saying something, but maybe not in
the way he said it. Look, we look back. I'm
not here to sit on or to stand on my
pedestal and look down at anyone and judge anyone. I
got married at twenty two, and I didn't know what
I was doing, and I it was my first relationship
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that I ever had in my life. It was my
first serious boyfriend ever. What did I know? And a
lot of those relationships can work and be amazing and beautiful.
I get that, But a lot of times you don't
know who you are, you don't know who the other
person is, and life just and I get that, and
you have different expectations and you come from different parts
of the world, and I get that. I just don't
know what the value was in him saying that. And
(22:43):
I just think when you read the or you we
listened to it, listen to everything he had to say
about that relationship. It it was said through a lens
of your resentment. He and whether he wants to admit
that or not, maybe going back and listening to it,
and he can say, man, I think I have some
unresolved anger issues towards Hallie, and that's how I look
at it. But what's happening now is he's getting all
(23:05):
the incoming and so he'll hit the lesson. We'll be
learned and it'll be a tough one. And I don't
want to pile on. But anything you.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Said, I don't think you have been piling on. I
would say pumped the brakes ifbout thought, so okay, But
you just gave me a light bulb moment in that
I was ready for discussion about that specific quote when
I saw it, because I saw the context of what
he was saying. I thought he was taken out of
context in headlines and used for clickbait. I said, Oh,
that's a worthy discussion just about that thing and what
(23:34):
his expectations of a woman were then versus maybe what
they are now. When I listened to the entire interview,
like you just said, when you take it in a
fuller context with everything else, he seems to your point Robes,
he had some things to unpack. He was asked one
question and went on for eight to ten minutes about
(23:57):
halle Berry.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Podcast hosts were very smart not to interrupt.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
They just said, and oh, yeah, I see. They just
let go ahead. They didn't follow up, they didn't push
the conversation. He just let it go. Why, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I don't know that he knows.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Again, this isn't the worst thing in the world. Nobody
has been. If he has something on his mind, he
has a right to say it. But my goodness, it
did to your You've just made that light bulb go
off ropes in fuller context, it's hard to just take
it as.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And if you don't think that, can we can we
please read the last thing he said about her, because
to your point and to what I was saying, I
think this really which one is an example of yes,
she really did love me. I mean, okay, so here's
this is where I was like, dude, come on, like stop, uh,
(24:53):
here's what he said. If I was so bad as
a husband, she's be like, I'm so glad he left
me because it's like it was hard for her to
find the next dude. It wasn't hard for her to
find the next dude, but she kept my name in
her mouth because she wanted to be with me. She
wanted us to work out. And I now know that
I've gotten a lot older. And when I look back
(25:15):
now that I've gotten a lot older, and when I
look back when I got in my thirties and I
look back on that situation, I'm like, that girl really
did love me. And I can see why she would
be so mad at me, because imagine if you really
love somebody and then they tell you they want to
break up, and ain't nothing you can say to get
them back. That had to be tough on her. I
just wasn't emotionally mature at that age to understand the
magnitude of what she was feeling. That is the most backhanded.
(25:39):
I don't even think it was a compliment. That is,
he was twisting the knife. She loved me so bad,
And now that I look back, I feel bad because
I really dumped her flat on her ass and there
was nothing she could do, and she kept saying my name,
but I just wanted nothing to do with her, poor thing.
I wish I could have been nicer to her. That's
what he just said. Oh my god, am I wrong.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'm trying to find a way to stick up with
David Justice right now, and I'm trying to look he
had a moment. Maybe he had a bad one. Maybe
he's proud of what he said. Maybe he's been waiting
thirty years to say that. Maybe that's meaningful to him,
Maybe that gets him to whatever point. I don't know,
(26:23):
So I don't want to judge him for what he
decided to say, but it's it makes you scratch your
head about why this needed to be said. And again,
further context robes was it didn't the initial quote in
the headlines, there are nothing compared to what is actually
(26:46):
in there.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
You were so you listened to it first, and then
I listened to it after you. You were like, oh
my god, why what? And I was thinking to myself,
what is he like? What else did he say? And
it is actually when you listen to it, if you
go back and listen to the podcast, just a ten
minute blurb, how far into it did was.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
The actually eight nine minutes, twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Minutes into it? Okay, So if you want to listen
to it, and I would encourage everybody to do so,
it actually is more cringey than the headlines actually make it.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
See absolutely, and you scratch your head about why and Rose,
all the relationship talks and conversations and podcasts we do,
where do you break this one down? About letting go,
about separation, about how many decades? About being over it,
about I don't know, resolving those issues, about finally airing
this out? Does it need to be public in public relationship? Ah,
(27:38):
there's so much here that he just unleashed. And the
point being he was not asked about halle Berry.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
He'd been dying to say it. That's all I could
tell you and look to each his own. I have
found that therapy is he talked about therapy between him
and halle could have helped. I think just having someone
you can say these things too, get them off your chest,
let yourself experience the emotion you're feeling, whether it's anger
or regret, whatever it is, and then let it go
(28:07):
and be at peace with yourself, and be at peace
with that person and forgive them, give them grace, but
give yourself grace. This is an absolute to me example
of why even if you don't, if you can't afford
a therapist, that shit's expensive, have a best friend who
you trust, who you can just say what you need
to say to. But everyone needs to tell somebody apparently,
(28:28):
just don't do it. On a podcast thirty years later, was.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
It ninety six? Really divorce ninety six? Fudge?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I know thirty years? Who was I dating thirty years?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That was in him too, That was like a big
thorn in him. Maybe he feels better, maybe it's released.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And you know what, maybe feels good about what he
did there and again questioning we've talked about it here,
roues what halle Berry at least means to me the
significance of certainly what we were going through at a time.
And no, we're not friends. She would hang out at
my house. I don't hang out of hers.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
But she was kind.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
But she was kind and I've spent more time with
her than most are blessed to do so. But she
reached out and was kind and I will forever, forever
be grateful for that. But I'm robes the times I've
spent with her. One of the first things that stand
out about her is how motherly she is.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Isn't that funny? I remember you talking about her, saying
you listed her accolades, you know, Oscar winner, and she said,
you left out my most important role mom.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
And any time I'm telling you, half the time that
there is a text exchange, she's in the middle of
doing this or something with the kids literally on the
road or the kids in the car, I'm going to
hear it. It's just that's the only thing I will
say in defense of and nothing that I need to
defend her. But to see those headlines, obviously Rose, we
(29:48):
were good to see, Like what the heck?
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, And like I'll just reiterate anyone who knew me
in my twenties. Would never describe me as, oh, she's
going to be a good mom.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
No, that thirty is either.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Sorry, I had ava twenty nine, so that's slightly offensive.
But okay, I see where you're going with this. But no,
but a lot of career minded women you aren't. And look,
I think it's amazing when you know, oh, all I
want to be is a mom. That's fucking beautiful. That
was nothing that I ever said. And we can have
all sorts of different moms and women who become moms,
and we can all be great moms in different ways.
(30:21):
But I think that's also just defensive to a lot
of women. Yes, we to be perceived a certain way
that makes you not mom material not fair, not fair.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's tough, but it's always worth us having a conversation
about these such things when they come up. Don't have
to be nasty and take down David Justice, don't have
to take the very side. I don't have to take one,
but it's still worthy anytime we can calmly move forward
on a conversation like this. So, folks, we always appreciate
you spending some time with us.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I'm DJ Holt and I'm Amy Robock. Have a wonderful
rest of your day,
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