Is That What You're Wearing??

We are all about self care , grooming and men’s fashions this episode. (or lack thereof)

Gavin and Brooks are up in Pebble Beach at the AT&T Pro Am golf tournament discussing what men wear vs what they should be wearing , facial hair or not, sunscreen to skincare.

And how the ladies can help them get it right.

Joining the men are two experts: Queer Eye’s Karamo brown and fashion expert Brad Goreski.

Speaking for the ladies perspective today is Bachelor favorite Tayshia Adams

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is How Men Think with brooks Like and Gavin
degrab And I heard radio podcast feeling It. I love
when we get that intro. Hey, Gav, I feel it feeling. Yeah,
Welcome to another episode of How Men Think. My name
is brooks Like, and we have two co hosts here
with us. We have my usual wing man, Mr Gavin

(00:22):
de Great to see you, good mornings. You also have Buddy,
your dog with you. He's sitting here with us. I do.
He's smelling the coffee cake. He's smelling your coffee cake.
And we have new co host her second actually her
second time on the show, first time that I've been
on the show with her. Welcome back, Miss Taitia Adams.
Thanks for commentation. I'm so happy to be here. So

(00:45):
we are here, that's right. We are here at a
T and T Pebble Beach program in California. We're checking
out this weekend. We're watching some golf and we're recording
some podcasts. And Gavin, you're such a fantastic golfer that
we're gonna watch you live for the swing, your handicap

(01:05):
um all of my limbs. Do you golf, buddy? No,
I wouldn't golfing once upon time, I wouldn't say golfing,
and uh, let's say it was my first time and
the guy I said, hey, would you mind giving me
a quick lesson because it was more like a meet
and greet on a golf course. He said sure, and
we sit there for about three minutes. He said, just

(01:26):
swing this way and do this, and I said, no problem.
And I crushed the ball and he was like, okay,
and then I crushed the ball again. And I crushed
the ball again. But the problem was I kept hitting
the ball at a ninety degree angle to my right
and he said, maybe you should just face the clubhouse
and then you gave it up. Yeah. I was like,

(01:47):
all right, that's it for me. I think I'm out
of here. Um I have in the past, I've tried.
I've taken a couple of lessons. I do have some clubs. Yeah,
they're pink. They're really cute. I own a couple of
golf skirts. It's a whole reason why I got into
the sport, to quite honest with you, that it's quite cute.
I love golf skirt. That's higher the golf retire um.
That's awesome. I'm actually we didn't know right before this

(02:10):
podcast began that you were even going to be here, Gav.
I didn't know either. Literally, we're supposed to record, We're
supposed to record this, and two minutes before we start recording,
Amy's like, Brooks, you and Tasi are gonna have to
do this yourselves, because Gavin, you're supposed to be here yesterday.
You know, showed by the way that showed up. That

(02:31):
showed up according to my calculations, whould be in my schedule.
What had happened was I was supposed to be here
whatever time yesterday in order to do the podcast today.
And then the night before I was told, oh, we'll
do We'll start doing the show tomorrow, and I was like,

(02:53):
oh wait a second, I have stuff to pack, all
my stuff and drive up and stuff like that. So
three your guys fault, you know. Can I tell you
my story with how I got here? Yes, this is good,
I told Tashi yesterday because she was here yesterday. Yeah,

(03:15):
I was so listen to this, listen to this. So
I go to fly out yesterday morning from l A.
So I dropped my dog off, go to fly out,
go to the airport, go to check in, and the
lady says, um, yeah, we don't fly to Monterey from here.
And I'm like, well, my ticket says you do and

(03:36):
you're United and I'm flying with you. And she says, no,
we don't. And so I look at my ticket and
it's not Burbank Airport, it's l A X Airport. So
I went to the completely wrong airport to fly out,
first time I've ever done that. And I phone Amy.
I'm like, Amy, I'm gonna miss my flight. UM need
to reschedule me. So she reschedules me, and then you'll

(03:56):
reschedules me a flight. I go to l A X.
You guys are calling you guys were amazing about it.
They just rescheduled me for a couple hours later. I
go to l A X and I'm like, okay, getting
on the plane and I find out what seed I
have b okay that the ticket I'm booked is basic economy.
You can't get a less like you can't get on
an airplane for less than basic economy. I get on,

(04:20):
I go to thirteen B and it turns out that
six inches away from my nose is the lavatory. I
am seated, kidding me, No, I'm not. I am seated
right next with the bathroom. Yeah, he should have just
sat in the bathroom. I was the same, Yeah, it
would have been better, just like you guys, mind if
I put my feet up on the toilet to kind

(04:42):
of stretch out a little bit over here. So it
was a day. It was a day for me. I
missed the flight, went to the wrong airports the flight,
and then sat by the toilet on the way here.
That's terrible. Did you feel like you smelled like one
of those pink urinald cakes when you landed? No, I
did not know. I got in and took a shower. Though.
What happens? Then I text Brooks and I said, well,

(05:04):
because you're late, comes straight to the golf course, go
right to the lodge at Pebble Beach. In like text,
and there was the second line. It was like perfect,
you couldn't have it. You're like, bring Logs to Pebble Beach.
He calls me and he's like I'm here, and I'm like, great, okay,
where are you? And He's like, I'm right in the front.

(05:27):
So I'm thinking, okay, well we're at the little market.
So I said, ask anyone you see where the market
is where's the market? And you hear like, some dude,
go there's no market. So I'm like, can you ask
someone Brooks where are you? He is at a hotel
and guess like you're getting to know me. But Gab

(05:51):
knows me. He knows that, like I'm a prompt I'm on,
I don't and I was absolutely Danielle's shaking her head
and I think I text you this Amy. I'm like,
this is how Gavin feels every single day of the fights.
But guess what the difference between you and me is.
While I'm lost, I'm kind of just enjoying the view.

(06:12):
I did too, and just relaxed. And you know, I
have been to the wrong airport before, but it was
to pick up somebody, just to pick up my older brother,
and you could imagine what that was like. I was like, yeah, yeah,
I'm here, Well where are you? I'm at such and
Suminal I was like, I'm right there, man, just look
for the car, like where are you? I don't see
I'm waving my hands. You know. He's like, did I

(06:35):
realize I had gone to the wrong airport to pick him? Gosh?
And he was like, you such an idiot. Mistakes happen.
But so today's episode, and this is why we have
Tasha on here is we want to talk about men's grooming,
the importance of men's grooming. We want to as men,

(06:55):
we want to learn. We have a guest that's going
to come on and teach us a little bit about
grooming and self care. Are so excited for that. And
then we want your perspective tation because really men, men
want to groom to impress women or to impress a partner,
and so we want a woman's take on men's grooming.
Men's self care doesn't matter? Does it not matter? How

(07:15):
much does it matter? And how much can you push
it on a guy if he's not doing it? And
then also what parts of the body, what parts of
the body need to be groomed? Can I just start
right with this question for you guys? How do you feel?
And I don't know how to say this properly that
we want to dress you, So I do it. I

(07:38):
trick it by just buying gifts all the time of
clothes and so it seems like, no, you look so great,
and then I got you this because really it's like, no,
I'm not super crazy about some of the stuff you wear.
But if you wear this, I'm gonna be into it.
Sounds a huge thing. I would love it if I
never had to buy one article of clothing again the

(07:59):
rest of my life. I would love it, absolutely love it.
It's been I'm trying to remember the last thing that
I actually I bought this Lulu Lemon T shirt. About that? So, um,
a white Lulu Lemon T shirt. That was my big purchase.
He likes to push the boundaries. Yeah, I would love
to never shop again in my life. So if we

(08:20):
have a listener that wants to shop for me, my
wife does most of it. Should get me stuff like
Christmas or whatever. Um, she'll just buy me clothes. Do
you like all this that that she generally picks out?
Or yes? She has way better taste than I do,
So I would love would would you like to dress
a man? Or what do you think about? You just
said style is very important? You think style on a
man is important? Absolutely? I love dressing guys. I love

(08:41):
the shopping for guys clothes. Let's we're gonna put you
on the spot ta show better style right now, Gavin
or Men I knew it. It's a scarf he's got
that wonderful blue scarf, and he's got a dog. He's
got his dog sitting beside him. I just want to
say that was the right answer. Okay, okay, can you

(09:04):
break that down? So Gavin's over here wearing like a
beautiful light brown jacket with a nice blue, kind of
ruggedy scarf, just got a hat on. You put some
effort in. You can tell you know, I like, but
also at the same time, I do like yourself. I like,
I don't know again, confidence just own it. Gavin owns
that scarf. It's just working for Thank you for that.

(09:25):
You're welcome. Okay. So you you like a little more
like detailed, like I just have black pants and a
white shirt. So you like that Gavin has layers. I
guess layers is the term. Yeah, Gavin, do you dress yourself?
I'm so proud of you. I did. But before I
went out the door, I turned to my dog and

(09:46):
I was like, am I your am? I your type? This?
It's just like, would you happy to be seen with
me today? Walking across the golf course? Is a suit
you You're like, it's it's pretty. Did you say you
dressed up today? Or is this like your casual. Well,
I just dressed for the weather today. But I try.

(10:08):
I've I've corrected my wardrobe over time, and it took
some guidance from who who guided you? Um, women and
uh and uh you know they have better. You know

(10:28):
they have women and uh you know so my dad
says women and so anyway, you know they have better,
they have better fashion sense, only because I think women
just tend to pay more attention to fashion sense. You know.
It's has to do with the things that they you know,
they're interested in. You know, when guys tend to watch movies,

(10:51):
we like to watch hero movies, like a guy doing
to shoot them up, or like climbing a mountain, and
that's something the part that speaks to girls, I don't
think the same way. Oh he looks really good in
that suit in that scene, you know what I mean.
For example, it's Oscar weekend, So will you guys be
watching for the for the fashion. Do you ever like

(11:16):
look at a guy and like, wow, he looks really good,
Like I love his outfit? Yeah, like yeah, I used
to have nice suits when I played hockey. I'd get
custom suits and because it was like it was fun
to walk into because we had to wear suits every game.
We had to wear suits every wee retraveled. So it's
nice to have a custom tailored like sharp suit. But
that was as far as I went with it. Some
guys go to the point where it's like their expression,

(11:36):
their art, and it was never I never liked to
close that much. It was the same with cars for me,
like I don't like cars that much to tint all
the windows and put all the rims and then trick
it out and do all this stuff that I just
don't like it that much. But yeah, like a suit
is one thing as a man you cannot cheap out on.
You need to have a nice suit as amazing. But

(11:56):
when you walk past the nineteen sixty seven Fast Act
Mustang with torque thrust rims, you don't say, man, that's
a badass, Like I freak out, dude. I'm like, I
get under it, man, I'm like, oh yeah, I like
what they did with that. Man, you know what I mean?
I lose it, So I do, but then yeah, not

(12:18):
maybe not to the extent that you do. But then
a minute later it's left my brain and I'm not
going out to buy it. I'm not like obsessed with it.
I'm not finding a magazine or researching it on the internet. Yeah,
it's horrible. I end up on eBay because that's right, Tassia.

(12:40):
Would you want to dress a partner? Would you like
if like your guy was like I don't like fashion
and so you get to dress him. Where would you prefer,
like the guy has a fashion sense and can dress himself. No,
I don't mind. I don't mind dressing my partner at all.
But I think it's also attractive when a guy can
style himself, you know what I mean. But I don't

(13:01):
mind dressing you. I can dress you. What's your favorite
What is your favorite like look on a dude? Like
is it like a guy in a nice suit or
like business casual or jeans and T shirt? What's like
the thing you're like? I love when guys we're a
nice um like a sport coat. Okay, I'm gonna like

(13:22):
dress I'm gonna dress you a mentally dress a man, Okay,
A crisp, white button up tea a little bit unbuttoned
at the top, with a really nice sport coat, maybe
some jeans, and like a really pretty coniac like brown show.
I've never worn that outfit I've never yeah, and like
matching brown belt. Oh my god, that's so attractive. I

(13:42):
feel like that's so cliche as a honestly, as ad
it would all be shopping for later Kevin's Kevin shows
up at supper exactly dressed. How Asia just described, well,
this whole thing alone time still has tag sitting at
dinner the tailors under the under the table he pass.

(14:07):
I feel like that's jeans and a sport coat for
a guy is like, and it's just it's not my vibe. Golfer.
Maybe looking for a golf sponsor. That sounds golf sponsor.
I don't know. I just it depends the guy has
to like it's been to style. Okay, how would you

(14:29):
dress my dog? I think he's killing it on his own,
to be honest, he's rocking that chain. You know why.
I look at the head of hair. He is a
beautiful boy. He has a beautiful boy. Gave um And
up next we have a guest that's gonna join us.
It's gonna teach you and I my friend, mostly me,
how to be a more beautiful boy because I need

(14:51):
some help. Oh yeah, don't we all? Yeah? Okay, we
got karaml hight, I did that this morning. How about
a little says in your step? Friend. That's one thing
I do do. Like, that's where I take care of myself.
That's one thing I do do. I'll hit the gym,
but I don't like then I get back and I'm
just like I need to throw clothes on. But like what,

(15:13):
I'm very intentional with what I'm doing inside the gym.
But then clothes don't matter to me. So I have
room to grow. Okay, we're coming back with Karamo. Okay,
back from break and we have with us joining us
now a gentleman that knows a lot about men's grooming,

(15:35):
more than Gavin, more than myself, and his name joining
us today is Karamo. What's up? Fantastic my man. Welcome
to how men think and we want to bring you
on we Gavin, I kind of look at you like
you're a specialist in the men's grooming and cleansing department.
I would kind of say, being on queer I kind

(15:55):
of does make me somewhat of a specialist. So I'll
take it. So I need to sign up for for
your lessons, my friend, because if you look at my face,
I have scraggly facial hair. I haven't had a haircut
and probably like a month. I am like the least
groomed dude that you have met. So I'm looking for
some guidance, my friend, maybe you should start watching Queer Eye.

(16:21):
I was like, we have a we have a couple
of seasons out where we can help you through this.
He's an expert, and he's probably one of most courteous
men I've ever seen to be quite honest with you.
So give me the number one tip. Give me. Give
me like the low hanging fruit, what a man can
do to groom himself better? Like, where's the most important
spot a man has to groom in your opinion? Um, well,
I definitely say I don't think there's a most important spot,

(16:43):
you know what I mean, because it's actually wherever you
feel least confident. And so we avoid taking care of
the things that we're not that confident about because we
feel like, if I don't like it already, like I
should short of just let it go. It's the reason
why we have jump drawer. That's the reason that we
have rooms that stay a little messire is because we
just start to compartmentalize and avoid things. So if you're
not shaving your face, if you're not cutting your hair,

(17:05):
there's normally a reason behind it. And maybe like I
don't feel that comfortable, or like I don't want that
as tension, and so I normally do un queer ideal
with the psychological part. But for me, I think if
you can deal with your face and your scalp and
how you look, that's the first people thing people are
gonna see, you'll feel more confident about how you proach
the world. What about if we're just lazy. I'm just

(17:25):
like somebody I got. There's no such thing as lazy,
There's no such thing as late. The desire to do
something comes from usually you being or the lack of
desire to do something usually comes from something that happened
in your life that you don't realize it. So maybe
you might have had a coach that um you know,
maybe you work out too much, so now as an adult,

(17:46):
you don't want to work out that much. Maybe for you,
saying you're lazy is because you had somebody who you
tried really hard for in a relationship and then now
you don't want to try anymore. So I don't I
don't believe anyone is lazy. There's just triggers that have
caused this. The react to certain life isn't me so insightful,
Like I'm telling you, it's like beauty, beauty, beauty wizardry. Yeah,

(18:09):
I try. Okay, Um, let me ask you this question, Um,
facial hair or no facial hair? Um. I think it
depends on the guy. For me, I like facial hair.
I think there's something about patil hair that is sexy
and really nice. Um, but most men don't know how
to like keep it up. So you want to make
sure you have a moisturizer so your face it feels

(18:32):
nice and moisturizing all the time. Also a cleanser so
you can get rid of like any red spots from discoloration.
And then most importantly is a sunscreen whether you are
white or black, because a lot of times people of
color I think they shouldn't use guns sunscreen. You have
to use a daily sunscreen, and I think those the
most important things. Okay, so I have let's okay, So

(18:53):
that's a perfect lead in. I need to write all
this down because honestly, Karamo, my my personal hygiene products
consist of toothpaste and a cologne, and honestly, that's literally
my entire personal because he watches his body with a toothpaste.

(19:15):
So let's talk about So for me, Karama, I could
not have less personal hygiene products than anyone you've ever met.
So right now I'm looking at at your products, Mantle.
We have Mantle products here. We have the cleanser, the
face and scalp cleanser. I have the age defense moisturizer
from my face, and I have the invisible daily SPF thirty,
the sunscreen that you were talking about. Yeah, I also

(19:37):
have the the no No shine sheets here, which I'm
just opening right now. So can you tell me a
little bit about these because I'm actually gonna make this
like part of my mission. Gave is just like naturally beautiful.
He's not like me, like my face has been a
little bit. So I need to take a little more
care of myself. So how do I dig into this?
What am I starting with the cleanser every day? The

(19:59):
reason I did, the reason I created this way is
because I get overwhelmed, like most men, by way too
many beauty products. I mean, most of the time in
our culture, women have been inundated since they were younger
and more able to explore and be curious. But for men,
we didn't have that option, so I get very nervous.
So I created this kit so that it's all you need.

(20:20):
So in the shower, you put the cleanser on your
face neck and it's going to get off all those pumps.
The dirt help you to make sure you don't have acne.
And if you are thinning or balding, you can put
in your scalp as well. And if you do have hair,
even if you mix it up with shampoo, is not
gonna mess it up. Then you have the shower, you
put on the moisturizer, because the moisturizing what's going to

(20:40):
keep your skin tight and people looking young, people looking great.
And then the most important thing is the SPF. But
SPF is really hard for people to put on because
most sps I think of them, are white and you
don't have that weird beachy smell. And so I made
this one clear and so that way you can put
it on your face and it won't get stuck in

(21:02):
your beard or on the hair on your head, and
it's like really silky and smooth. It won't make money,
like if you try it, try it out. If you
have it, put that up on your hand and see
how silky and smooth it is. Okay, So my question
here is it says daily SPF. I put this on
every single day, like I'm I go out the house,
I'm putting this on, or only on like sunny days. Nope,

(21:23):
you see this is the thing. The thing that's No,
that's a really good question, because the thing is that
people think that SPF means that you're at the beach
or you're like in direct sunlight. Um U V rays
are always hitting you. So if you're at work and
there's a window, you're getting sun damage, and so you
should have it on every single day. If you're walking
down the street, you're getting sun damage, and so having

(21:46):
on a sun protector is going to help you at
all times. But the way that we designed it is
that after you put on the moisturizer, you can put
this on and it's gonna be just as easy. All
you need is one or two pumps and it will
cover your entire face and scop with meybe karma. We
just put this on our hand and I've actually never
seen SPF look like this before. It's there and it's

(22:06):
a good GELPF is a great idea, honestly, because thank you,
Like you just said, I have tried to put on
sunscreen because I do have a darker complexion and sometimes
you do get like that purply white overcast. I don't
know what it is. Yeah, no, yeah, I know exactly
talking about Yeah, it's it's weird looking and and that's
what deters a lot of people from putting on sunscreen.
And then they as they get older, they found out

(22:27):
that they have sun damage, they could have skin cancer,
There's a lot of things that come with it. So
I want to make sure that while we're working on
this that we're getting something that was going to be easy,
nice to put on. Um it's not going to leave
any weird streaks, but it's going to be accessible. You
can put it on for men, thank you. And for
men you know you can. Just it's an easy three
point kit because these are things you need. That was

(22:52):
that was my next point exactly. I think part of
the reason I don't have a lot of like beauty
products or whatever is just I think it's overwhelming for me.
And this is very easy. Use the cleanser, the face
and scalp cleanser in the shower, very easy. Then when
you get out, put a little age defense moisturized around
my face and then put the daily invisible SPF and
you're good to go. And I'm good to go. That's

(23:12):
actually very easy. I don't think, Yeah, I applaud you
for that because I've I've really resisted this entire space
just because I'm like overwhelmed. I don't want to have
a bunch of stuff I need to carry all the
time or get reliant on something. But for sure my
mud could use a little what what are you going
to come out with a bubble bath product that makes

(23:33):
men look rugged in the bubble bath? Yeah? Man, I
want to look tough in the bubble album cover. You
know what I mean that we're adding that to the line.
As long as you agree to be our first model. Done, done,
done and done. Can I want to get your take
on this tasta. Is a is an ungroomed kind of

(23:55):
wild looking man attractive? Or is it? Are you like
really drawn to like a well groomed, put together man.
You know, it's it's really about the confidence and that's
the key thing. We I did a focus group with
a bunch of women and I asked them about some
of these things, about like if a man was balding
or beat full head of hair, how important to do you?

(24:17):
Was that? And majority of the time when I talked
to women, it was about is he kind? Is he funny?
Is he going to support me? Is he going to
be financially stable? Is he gonna help me in life?
Are we gonna grow together, We're gonna travel? Hair or
a lack of hair was the bottom of the list.
And so it's all about can you if you are
ungroomed as people would say, um, and you walk in

(24:37):
the room confident, it doesn't matter. But what does matter
is if you're taking care of yourself, and when you're
taking care of yourself, you become more confident. And too
long society and beauty products didn't say the men, it's
okay to take care of yourself, it's okay to love yourself.
I think I think I agree with you, But I
think we left out two other ones that women like
to say, does he already have kids? And what kind

(24:58):
of car does you drive? Yeah? No, those are on
the list as well. Those are actually on the list
as well. I didn't hear the car one. I didn't
hear that one. What do you think groomed or on
groom what do you find like appealing attractive in a man?
I think he's right with the whole confidence thing. If
you're just scruffy and just because if you don't care

(25:19):
and you really just don't have anything in your life
put together, like it's kind of it's really unattractive actually,
But if you kind of I don't know, if it's
like your vibe and you do have scruffy hair and
maybe some tattoos, just have like I don't know, I
think it's at yeah, you feel the confidence. I'm there,
but I also love a clean cut guy. So I
will say this when when I see like somebody that's

(25:41):
like well groomed and put together, like there's a talking
about a man there or or a woman there's like
a whoa this person? There's a presence there, like there's
an initial presence. They're like, well they're they're showing up
in a way that's with intent and and almost respect.
You almost look at them like they're they're put together

(26:01):
person there there you respect them? Well what what what
what you're attracted to is their self esteem? Because when
we all want somebody who loves themselves because in in
in our subconscious mind, when someone loves themselves, it means
that they could potentially love us. And that's the thing
at the core of all being human beings is that
we want And so we want to make sure that

(26:24):
people understand that it's not about like certain products of
certain things. But I want to encourage people to use
mantle Men dot com, mant men dot com and use
a products. It's about how can we get you to
a place to love yourself because that's what's going to
bring in all the things you want in life. I
agree with that. That's amazing. Um, what about the guy

(26:45):
asking for a friend slash myself that's trying to grow
his beard longer but is in this really awkward phase
where it's really curly, it sticks out, but he doesn't
know magic and he wants to know what to tell
his friends. Do you have any to mantle have any
like beard oils or beard products. Yeah, we're gonna be
coming out with some of those next. That's next on
the line. Right now, I tell you, if your beard

(27:07):
is ungroomed, I always suggest going to like magazines and
finding a level or a lamp that's good for you.
And it's secondly, if you have a partner doing the
kiss test, the kiss test is really important because right
the kiss tests would tell you if it's too hard,
if it's too prickly, and if it's not gonna work.
Kiss test party, you gotta do that. Tasha, do you

(27:34):
like a guy with facial hair or no facial hair?
I think I tend to guy with Excuse me, I
tend to like guys with facial hair. Mhm. But also
there's like that awkward phase where it's like a lot
of stubble and like if you are kissing them and
you like, okay, like Kevin Kevin's and then you get
like you get like a rough patch because like they

(27:57):
like stubbily. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, that that's
why I said the kiss test. I'm telling you the
kiss test works every time if you need you knowing
if you're in the right level with your beard or not.
What my stubble says, I'm off the market. Oyeah, That's
what it says, is that right look for sexual For
quite a long time, I look forward to that beard

(28:18):
stuff and I'm going to try this out for the
first time in my life. Carmel, I'm going to have
like a beauty is that what it's called a beauty routine? Yeah,
I don't self care. I don't call I call it
a self care routine because like the word for me personally,
and you know, I'm not gonna lie. I try to
be better, but I still have these you know, what
people call the toxic male behaviors or whatever that I
subscribed to, and like it makes me uncomfortable to say

(28:39):
beauty stuff. Sometimes I'm just gonna be honest with you,
and you know, and so I like to be like,
you know, my self care products, you know, like I
feel good products is what I call them, you know
what I mean, because I don't really call myself beautiful ever,
and so using beauty products is not something I'm accustomed to.
But I do like to take care of my my
self esteem and so good. So this is your self
care every team. Yeah, and I think like even for

(29:02):
men that that term for whatever reason, beauty products. It
seems weird for me. But like self care or feel
good products, Yeah, that seems normal. Yeah, that's this. This
seems more normal. And you know, I'm not trying to
say that the health you know, we're we should be
able to say beauty, but I just don't subscribe to it. Yeah, yeah,
there's nothing wrong with it. How dare you the way

(29:23):
you speak, sir? I mean, how would you you know what?
Gavin though, I must say, gave you with your scarf
today and your jacket like that is beautiful. No, I'm
mad admiring, like when you're locked in. Amy was just like,
oh god, he looks great, layered. Lay I know, Karma.
I have one more question for you. Yeah. Um, so

(29:46):
as Brooks talked about the fact that he doesn't really
have much of a skincare routine or self care routine,
being that we are traveling, Um, what is the one
item that you always travel with or that you can
suggest for a guy, like if he's just running out
the door and he needs to grab at least one
thing for your into line, Like, what is the one
thing you have to have? Um, SPF definitely, because the

(30:07):
SPF is also a moisturizer, so it doesn't have as
much as the age defense in it as the moisturizer.
But the thing is that most people don't realize that
SPF is such a necessary tool and making sure your
skin looks good because the out once you go outside,
it damages your skin so much. And that's why you

(30:28):
see people who are thirty that look way older forty,
and people who take care of themselves with like an SPF,
their skin always looks younger, always looks softer. And so
I would say grab that, um, as you're traveling, because
that's the thing. And as you can see, I made
all of our products the three ounces that it lasts
for a while, but also you can travel with it,
you can carry it on right. Yeah, really you got

(30:50):
to make sure that anything. Um. Yeah, dude, this is
awesome for the I'm gonna go at this question, Um,
will I do you think that I will like see
results from this or will I just feel results like
in in seven if I go like seven to ten
days of straight using it, will I will like my

(31:12):
skin look better? Will like? What do you? What am I?
Because I just don't want to feel like nothing's happening
and then be like, well, I'm wasting my time if
I don't see something like I just want to be prepared.
So I will tell you that your skin is gonna
start feeling softer. You know, I don't know how much
sun damage you have or how often moisturized. So I
don't want to say seven or ten days, because if
you've never more scribbed before, it's gonna take a little

(31:33):
bit more for your skin. The absorbiting start taking it.
But as you saw when you put the sp up
on your hands, what happens that your skin is automatically
gonna feel softer if you put if you feel the
space that you put that SPF on before, it already
is gonna start feeling silkier and nicer. What's the point
of it. So as you feel like your skin is
feeling softer, that means your skin is healing. That means

(31:54):
like the parts that were dry, they were cracked, they're
starting to rebuild sell they're starting to get better, and
that's how you're gonna your skin is getting healthier. I'm
excited to try this. You know why. Another reason why
I never tried like feel good products or something is
I didn't want to become dependent on them. Yeah. Yeah,
but these are you want to become dependent on because
the things these are necessary thing that you should It's

(32:14):
like the same way you become dependent on your toothbrush
because you want nice teeth, you want nice skin, So
you know, easy breezy. Yeah, you've You've actually reframed this
whole like self care for me. Do you have any
moisture I'm yeah, I feel you. Do you have any
moisturizer that will make my teeth look straight? Yea, he

(32:36):
needs a lot of health care. Now, yeah, model for
the bubble baths, so you can't do the self deprepending.
I want to be before before photo. I need you
coming in here with that self confidence that I know
you have. Whats alright? Don I think Mantel comes out
with a men's rugged bubble brugged bubble back and do

(32:58):
a photo shoot and that's your album cover. That's it.
You know what you need to do gonna be a
bubble bath that looks like a plaid Lumberjack shirt. Yes,
the bubbles come up looking like a plaid pattern. I'm
gonna make this just happen, Karama. We appreciate you coming on. Brother.
Where can people find the Mantle products? And where can
I get some more once I run out of these ones?

(33:20):
So you can go to Mantel men dot com dot com,
m A N T L Men M E N dot
com And for you when you need some more, you
just hit me brother, what about me? Yeah, both of
you come on, Matt. And also the funny part is
like my sisters have stolen all these products even that
we've been marking into. Man, I was just Titia has

(33:41):
already stolen my SPF on all the products. Yeah, so
this is so you know, if you need something, I
got you as well. Okay, perfect, Karama. We appreciate your brother.
Thank you, and I gonna have to check out the show.
I definitely need some more tips. So thank you. You
are my guru for for self care. My friend appreciated

(34:05):
my day. Well, Karama literally just changed my entire outlook
on like self care. I'm actually gonna start self care.
I'm like honestly shocked that you do not use any

(34:25):
products like not even after like a game or anything
like you never like cleanse your face like nothing. I
never know. I honestly this was my belief. If I sweat,
it's going to clean my pores and clean my skin
and then as a shower, and I'm fine. I agree
with that philosophy very basically, I've never I've never used
like um like moisturizer, aged aged defense moisturizer, or like

(34:48):
um baby oil, or like I've never put stuff on
my skin to make my skin look or feel or
anything a different way. And your wife's never like had
like a little spot day at home with you. No, Okay,
is it just me that makes a significant I'm sure.
I'm sure she would. Like she's got like in our vanity,

(35:09):
she's got her vanity, and I have my vanity and
her products are filling up my vanity. But I have
one drawer that has my toothpaste and like tweezers in
it and like Q tips and stuff. Other than that,
it's like all her drawers in my side as well. Wow,
like your skin has never felt like dry or anything.
I'm confused. I think this is what this is what

(35:31):
I this is like. This is honestly been my mindset on,
like skincare, Like a thousand years ago, when people were alive,
they didn't have skincare, so their skin just figured it out.
They just skin was like, Okay, I just need to
figure out how to be healthy. So that's all I wanted.
I mean, I get it, but like you need to
try this because I can't stop rubbing my hand. It's
actually really really soft. This might change my life. I'm

(35:52):
actually like excited to try. I wonder if I should
put some moisturize around my dog's nose because it's the
only part that isn't covered with hair, and maybe it
would keep his nose from wrinkling as he gages age defension. Nose.
That's it. What do you think? He's really cute? Isn't adorable?
He's handsome. He is extremely single. Todd's single, My dog

(36:18):
is single. What about grooming dog? What about grooming your dog?
Do you groom your dog? Um, let's talk about that.
I should groom him more. But I haven't brushed him
in like almost two weeks, and he's really hairy. Like
to apologize this hotel and all of you and you're

(36:42):
washing machines because you're gonna have a lot of stuff
all over you. He doesn't smell bad. Um. I try,
And I actually probably would spend more time grooming my
dog than grooming myself. I could brush coda. I would
say like five out of seven days of the week.
Is that true? You know? They say that's a really
great bonding uh um thing to do with your with

(37:03):
your dog. Really it seems like the adverse. He actually
hates it. Yeah, they say it's like a really good
good thing to do in your but you know you're
stronger than I am, so you're probably like really hurting
your dog. And then I brush his teeth too, but
he hates the breast get yeah, just because you know
they have these little dog ones they have like a

(37:25):
they have a dog toothbrush, and then they also have
a thing that just slides over your finger. Then you
put the dog toothpaste on your finger and you get
inside and just rub it around. And I just hate
seeing like older dogs with bad teeth, and I just
never want to. I just never want my boy to
have bad teeth like that. So I need to. I
need to take care of myself as well as I
take care of my dog. Okay, I have a very

(37:47):
important question for the entire table, something we have not
yet fully discussed, and I want. I want yes or no?
Tasia Adams, is bald sexy? Is bald sexy? Do you
find a bald man sexy? Um? That's got to be

(38:08):
a not. That's a no if you aren't already saying yes, yes,
that's right. No, So okay, can a man? So maybe
you don't find it sexy, but cann a bald man
be sexy. T Yes, Like Karamo is a bald man
and he's very sexy. Yeah, he's a handsome man. Yeah, okay, okay,
Now he was bald and he was out of shape

(38:31):
and he didn't have a beauty line. Would he be
sexy if he was not successful? Oh my god, you're
putting me on the spot because you're looking for a
lot of criteria. That's actually a good point because he's
a very put together, like attract of human beings. He's
he's an entire package. Yes, who happens to be bald.

(38:51):
That's right. He's also famous, which I think ups your
hot quotient. It does what everybody knows that I just
love you, that's true. It's like you see Ed Harris
in a movie. You're like, yeah, but if he was
just a regular civilian, I don't know, walking on the street.

(39:12):
So okay, Amy, do you find bald man? So I'm
gonna give you totally answer on this. I used to think,
like I preferred like a real good head of hair,
like Rick. He's not here, but Rick has an excellent
head of hair. But then he turned out to be
a total jerk. But he was super hot. This pretty

(39:32):
much bald guy that I knew and there is he sucked,
but he was super sexy. I mean, I'm not going
to name names. I'm no Rick has hair, but I
used to think I thought it was so sexy, like
so beyond sexy. Was it maybe because you've never been
with a bald guy? Maybe, Like I, I was like,

(39:54):
he's so hot. He is so was was he? Did
he own it? Yes? I think that's because he had
beady Yeah. I was talking about this last night. She's like,
let's go, let's go. We have that b d E
and because we're gonna do Dean's podcast, help I suck
at dating. And I was like I just heard that

(40:15):
term like a week ago, and she goes, yeah, best
day ever. I'm like, oh, I heard it differently, and
I was like, no, I know what that means, because
if somebody has b d E, then they can pull
off anything. So like, I don't even think he had
great fashion, and yet I loved it because he just
had b d Like everything about this guy was just
like you're so hot? Can you can you explain for

(40:37):
our listeners who do not know this term what b
d E is? You have to say all the words
of it. You have to say all the words. It
means big d energy, you have to say you have
to say it. Oh, I cannot say that word on
the radio. It means big dick energy. Yeah. And it's
like like it doesn't mean you have a b D

(41:00):
but it just means you carry yourself on it. You
have swag. As Bieber would say, and Gavin said it
about Karamo, he has smooth. Did you say he has
smooth or he is smooth? I don't know. I probably
said something like smooth. It's like smooth swag just confidence.
Like how about e D E rectile dysfunction feeling that

(41:22):
e D E ladies? Huh, let's spread that around all right?
Do you think this? Do you think that um men
can be sexy as a bald man or do you
think that if, like if you lose your hair, do
you think that you could still be sexy. I think
that anybody can pull off anything, but just going by
the numbers out like I pointed out before, I pointed

(41:45):
out before, like who were the two biggest movie stars
in the last probably thirty years as leading men. They
were Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt. You know, both of
them have perfect heads of Hair, Leonardo Gafrie, Tom Well,
I'm just saying far as like heart throw bobs and
stuff like that. I'm just going with with what what
the numbers tend to say. You know, I have a

(42:06):
few celebrities I'm gonna pull up you guys tell me
if they have swag and sex appeal or not. Ll
col J Yes, swag, Yes, swag then Diesel Oh, he
is actually kind of hot, but it's not someone I
would ever go after. It's a rugged thing. I think
what you're pointing out more is there's more of a

(42:27):
rugged thing and more of it's made up. Um, it's
it's a it's it's a different thing because it more
relies on uh being masculine less than necessarily the Rock.
That's what I mean, like bad boy, bad boy vibes.
That's just my my analysis of it. The Rock is

(42:48):
very attractive too, but again I would never typically ever
go in date. But the Rock is someone who I
think actually looks better with the shaved head than he
did with hair. I agree. I agree. You know who
else you got, Tori Oh? That's it on my list.
Bruce Willis Danielle just said, Bruce will Danielle do you
find Bruce Willis to be sexy? This is producer Danielle,

(43:08):
who has probably the best head of hair of anybody. Buddy,
Bruce Willis not so much, but the Rock definitely right. Sure,
so you have to have muscles. But if you're I
do agree with Gavin. I think if like the man
is super not athletic, but like masculine, then he could

(43:31):
totally pull off bald head. Okay, so there's you guys.
Have listed The Rock, You've listed Vin Diesel, You've listed
L L Cool j as bald men who you find attractive,
and those are all two hundred plus solid dudes, like
strong asked dudes. And then you listed Bruce Willis, who's
maybe like a buck fifty. I don't know what he'd weigh.
And you're like, no, not sexy, sexy, amy sexy? Yeah,

(43:56):
because they're so young. I'm old, So Bruce is hot.
They don't know Bruce is like their grandpa. Have you
ever met Bruce in real life? And was he in
real life sexy? Did you get loose to Bruce? I think, yeah,
he does. That's my little input. It's so interesting. I mean,

(44:19):
what about you do you find bald guys? Attractive. I
think a bald guy absolutely can be attractive. Name one
like like any any like any basketball player, most basketball players,
Oh my gosh, how okay? There there that? Yeah, extremely
attractive dudes. Michael Jordan is very attractive, very attractive. What's up?

(44:42):
Can I flip the script a little bit? So? How
about you know? How do guys view women with short hair?
Or like a boy? How do we how do we
view bald women? How do you view Gavin? Have you
ever dated a woman with short hair? Yeah? Did you
like it? Sho on? Did you like her hair as

(45:02):
fine as hell? You know? So? Did you like her hair? Listen?
When they're hot, they're hot, you know what I mean.
When they're not, they're not. You know that song sold school.
But but you know, that's all there is to it.
You know, they're they're they're when they're hot, they're hot,
you know. And I don't don't I see. I don't

(45:23):
see the make over. I see what's the genetic makeup?
So you know, a lot of people talk about how
they put their makeup on and stuff like that, and
their hair do and all that kind of stuff. I
see gene pool more than I see the makeover. You
know what I mean. I see the cheek bones and
the lips, and the neck and the neckline, and and

(45:43):
that their natural with their body. It's fundamentally is um.
That's what I see. Um. Whereas a lot more people
see see if they're put together and stuff like that,
I look at that in a different way because say, okay,
they're on their way to the laundry, matter not. You
know what I'm saying, Yes, I just see something totally

(46:04):
totally different. And to be totally totally honest with you,
if I see someone who's put together, over the top
put together, you know what I see, I see a
lot of work. I see. I see something that's just
too much a little too much work for me to
be around. And it's something that's I just slicking at
a car or a yacht that cannot be maintained. And um,

(46:27):
so so I look at I look at very different
things I think than some people look at. You know,
I want I'd rather them be wearing a you know,
a pair of sweatpants and like not doing their hair,
and if they look good like that, that's hot to me,
you know what I mean, make up, no, nothing, not

(46:48):
trying at all, and the presence man and like that
thing whatever that is, and when when you make eye
contact that's hot and and uh it's it's the inexplicable stuff.
It's not all just how they're put together. The hair
do doesn't really mean mean much. Have you ever had

(47:11):
short hairtation? I did cut it short at one point,
shorter than higher than your shoulders. It was like shoulder link. Okay, okay,
it was my Actually, yeah, the person I was dating
at the time wanted me to have short hair and
my I had always wanted to try it out, and
so I just did it one day and it didn't
feel as good. I actually loved it. But it's a

(47:33):
lot of work short hairst I actually have curly hair.
So it's like if you have curly hair and then
you have a short haircut, like I'm so sorry, but
you're about to look like like it's it's a lot
of ways you need to blow your hair, you know
what I mean. So there's just very you're dying laughing

(47:54):
at me. There's complementary hairstyles. I see what you're saying.
You here's a question for all you ladies. What is
the female equivalent of B d E? What is the
gav Is there is there a term? Is there? Like,

(48:16):
is there a term of b D E for a woman?
I don't think so because I just heard b d
E last week. Literally, I guess if you had, like shimmy, yeah,
I can self b c E big chest energy or

(48:37):
b B big breast energy. You guys are so awkward
right now. I don't think a part though. Isn't it
like D bitch energy? I like that, you know what
I mean? But then people think, like, but that comes
from a body part like the B D E. For
the most part, you guys are saying, well, a guy
cannot have a big D and still have that energy.

(49:00):
Most of the time, that energy comes from having that
body part, like that's why he's walking around with that
because he knows. Yeah, ok So then I don't think
we have an equivalent. Okay, when we'll think on this
on the break and we'll get back to it, try
and come up with the term. Okay, we're taking a break. Okay,

(49:28):
now we're going to talk about men's fashion, and we
need a specialist. I need a specialist for this. So
we have on the line with us Mr Brad Garretsky. Brad,
what's up buddy. Hey, how's it going. Thanks for saying
my last name right. Yeah, my man, Man, it's been
too long since I've seen you. The first time you
and I met was on Beca Antanya's show, the I

(49:49):
Heart Radio podcast. Uh, Scrubbing Scrubbing in. That was the
first time you and I met. We had a fantastic time.
Nick was there. Nick Vile was there. He was on
the mant remember the mantel, the Man of course, and
you were so fun man, and you were talking about style.
He was put together like Brad when he shows up.
Brad shows up and I walked in and like shorts

(50:10):
and sandals and a T shirt. And I looked at
Brad and I'm like, I'm in the wrong room. So
you yeah, Brad. So you we're gonna get your take.
You are. You got your starting the industry by interning
in the New York offices of Vogue and w magazines.
You were the co host of Fashion Police on e UM.

(50:31):
You have all kinds of celebrity clients. Uh. And now
you don't know this, but now you're my new fashion guy.
So that was all right. That was like the in
the contract and the small print of agreeing to come
on the show that you had to be my personal
guy anytime. You just let me know every every school
year you need to lay out his clothes. So, Brad,

(50:53):
here's a true story. A couple of minutes ago, I
just asked Tasha, Tasha Adams, who's here with us? I
asked Tasha, I said, who has better style? Gavin or me?
And right away she looked at Gavin like sweet little
smile and she says Gavin, and it broke my heart.
She blew me kisses. I don't remember that part, but yeah,

(51:16):
whatever I saw it, Brad, can you can you give us?
Can you give me? Man? I'm sitting here in a
pair of black jeans and a white T shirt. Can
you give me like some tips on or any man listening?
What is like most important? What's the low hanging fruit
for a man to look to put together to be
presented well fashion wise? Um? In today's modern world, Well,

(51:40):
I think number one is most men don't wear their
actual style, their actual size. Um. I think a lot
of guys wear things that hang too far away from
their body. And especially speaking when guys get dressed up
and wear suits, Um, you know the shoulders of your
suit jackets should line up with your actual shoulders, and

(52:00):
then I think it's important to to you know, we
have a lot of variety now, so you can get
a slim cut, you can get you know, kind of
like a regular fit suit. And I think, um, you know,
taking the time, especially for those um events or or
life occurrences where we are getting a little bit more
dressed up, to take the time to get things tailored

(52:21):
as well. I mean, you don't have to spend hundreds
of dollars on it, but I always know on my jackets,
I need the small of my lower back taken in
so I get that like pulled in, so I get
like that nice shape. Because there's really nothing I mean,
aside from a guy in a T shirt and jeans
looking good. There's on the opposite end of that spectrum.
There's nothing better than a guy in a well tailored suit.

(52:43):
So tailoring is number one for me. Um, I think
also number two, like ath leisure is our friend. You know,
it's a it's a trend I think for men and
for women that has kind of allowed the people who
are usually uh, you know, maybe like to be in
their sweats a little bit more to actually look fashionable,

(53:03):
So how do you do that? Like? Um, So, the
ways that you can do it is by incorporating, you know,
pops of color, whether you're adding in like a little
bit of neon, maybe it's in your sneaker, or are
you incorporating a little bit of print, or are you
doing a full like gray sneaker, gray sweatshirt, great track
pay kind of deal. So I think that there are

(53:26):
are different ways that we can look still because comfort,
comfort is key, right, Everybody wants to feel comfortable, So
I think the key is to look comfortable but still
kind of polished and like you put an effort at
the same time. All valid points. And I agree with
you on the suit thing. Um and also for anybody
if you can't afford to because a custom suit is

(53:47):
very expensive. You can't afford a custom suit. What he
was saying with the tailored stuff is amazing. And once
you've worn anything that's custom or is tailored, you never
go back to wearing something that's boxy or not fitted
for you. Right, Yeah, So I did I do that
a lot with pants, Like I have to buy bigger
pants because my legs and acid are big, but my
waist is small and it comes from playing. We're aware

(54:09):
Brooks are, so I have to get every time I
see Brooks, I say, every time brook starcture the drum, Like, man,
your astles huge in those pants and underrunk. It's those
thick hockey legs, baby, it is. But I have to
get the But then like my waist is too big,
and so I always get the waist taken in on

(54:30):
the pants. Um. But for men, maybe men there don't
even know that that you can buy something that fits
you right in this one area and you can have
somebody for fifteen or twenty bucks just clean up this
other area that makes the pants or the shirt of
the jacket, as you said, looks so much better. Um. Yeah,
what's another what's a tip for? Like what if I
don't even know my style? Like what's my style? Where

(54:51):
do I look? Where do I find? How do I
even find a style for myself if I don't even
know what I want to dress like? Well, I think
this is like one of the great things is about
social media, you know, before Instagram and Pinterest and all,
you know, just being able to surf the web. We
relied or I relied on fashion magazines like g Q

(55:11):
and whatever. To tell me what was happening in fashion,
and now we have it really at our fingertips. So
every time we're scrolling through Instagram, and I do this myself,
like if I see an outfit or even a sponsored
post or a designer posting something or you know, a
friend of mine, whatever, I'll just save it, you know,
to my Instagram save photos and then go back through

(55:35):
and be like, oh yeah, I like that. You know
Shurepa hoodie. I'm going to order one of those on
Amazon or you know, I like right. I think it's
like we can create these mood boards now without like
it's not it's part of our daily routine. We don't
have to set out to know to you know, uh,
sit down and do like a mood board for what

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Spring is going to be. Like I don't even do that.
I just kind of like go off what I resonate
with and then you know, I kind of like we
can search for any product now, so right off of Instagram.
So I think that, you know, social media is a
great resource. So if you say, like, you know, say
one of the guys who's fashioned you like, is like,
I'm just gonna throw Drake out there and you see

(56:17):
he was wearing a camo hoodie like two days ago
at the Nike show, Like you know, search for a
camo hoodie and like order it and see if you
like it, see if you wear it and if not.
You know, most places will let you return things within
thirty days and send it back in a box. So
I think it's made it really. You know, fashion is
very accessible, and I think we get to see so
many images now that we should be using those as

(56:39):
as little like starting points for ourselves. M I like question,
if you can't afford a tailor, are there any products
you can get that kind of allow you to like
temporarily hold your pants in a certain place and things
like that, like so that people can kind of do
their own sort of customize work just to get through

(57:00):
like the day or the event or if they don't
have time to go to the tailor and things like that.
Are the little products that they can pick up to
sort of keep their pants looking like their hammed in
a certain way and stuff like that, safety pins. That's it,
and that totally when you know, I'm guilty of it too,

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Like when I'm styling clients, I don't necessarily think about
you know, I haven't decided what I'm wearing to the
Oscars on Sunday. At completely absolutely talk about the Oscars
on Sunday, and I'm going to it. But it's um,
you know, I've like safety pinned my pants and backseats
of cabs. I've used double sided tape, um, you know.
But I think I think for like big you know events,

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like if you're going to a wedding or for the
holidays or a big family gathering. I also think not
necessarily waiting until the last minute, Like I like to
buy on sale as well. So I think like there
are certain times of the year and you know, there
are a lot of great websites that have you know,
incredible products that discounted prices, and I think getting some

(58:05):
things and I have like um suits and outfits in
my closet that I just rewear because I know I've
taken the time to have them tailored. And you know,
it's easier as men to to kind of you know,
just rewear your navy suit that you know that fits,
or your pinstriped gray suit that you know that fits.
So I think it's about building kind of a little

(58:26):
bit of a very small wardrobe of basic things that
will get you a long way and taking one trip
to the tailor and saying like, hey, I've got these
four jackets. I need these, you know, trimm like brought
in a little bit or let out a little bit
and then just storing them in your closet and when
that thing comes up there, right there and ready for
you to to wear. I was just gonna say this

(58:47):
episode has been very informative, like I'm learning a lot
of things, but I'm going to be taking a trip
to the tailor this week. Oh good. Yeah. But also
I have a question. So you obviously dress a lot
of people and fashion is your thing, but are three
male celebrities that these guys can kind of look forward?
I don't know, like look at their fashion? Who art

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and like who had like nails it every time? Like
you know, I think like currently this season, and someone
who I think also wears things that you know, are aspirational.
I think Brad Pitt when he's out and about, like
his street style and then also his red carpet style.
He just looks like the tailoring is really good, the
fabrics look expensive. You know, He's very confident as well,

(59:39):
so he just adds like that extra level of um,
you know, confidence to all of his looks, but he's
like you know, off his street style it is just
like really cool. Um. So he's always somebody that I've
admired for, like, you know, kind of decades now, and
he he's probably number one, I think. Um. Also, like

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on the opposite end of that spectrum of somebody who
can be a good marker, um for somebody who's doing
different and something different in fashion is Timothy shallow May.
I mean he's really really young, and he's you know,
I think that what he does on the red carpet,
and again also his style is it's very individually him.

(01:00:22):
So that really like and he's young too, and I
think sometimes I think what's really great about the younger
generation of male movie stars or actors, especially as they're
not afraid to do new things like that also makes
me think of like a Chadwick Boseman or like a
Michael b. Jordan's, Like these are guys who you know
are their superheroes. They're like, um, you know these big

(01:00:45):
guys who where like Gibonshi could tour like beat a jacket,
but then in their street style, you know, they're doing
like the cool thing with the sneakers and the sweats
and the leather jackets. So I I look for like variety,
and then I also look for those public moments where
they're also pushing the boundary and not just putting on
like a black tuch seed up. You know what it

(01:01:07):
is listening to you talk Brad and just thinking about
like why do I not invest in fashion? Not much? Um,
we invest our time and energy and things that we
where we get self expression, right like like a like
Gavin does music, so he has his time and energy
and music and that's where he feels self expressed. I've
never looked at clothes for myself or fashion as a

(01:01:31):
form of self expression and art. So that so clothes
were just like I need to put on something that's comfortable, warm,
and I can I can um just suffice in the
room that Yeah, I'm going to suffice in the room
that I'm going to be in. Do I need to
dress up? Do I need to dress down? Whatever? It's
fine for that room. But I've never looked at taking
the time just what you were saying, taking time to
like look at, Okay, I have this event or something

(01:01:53):
coming up, and I want something that's actually gonna resemble
and express myself in a visual full with fashion. I've
never perceived it like that. Brooks's a whole It's a
whole new world now. But that's the that's the beauty.
That's the great thing about you know, it's like being
working in fashion and having you know, there's a whole.

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I got into it because I appreciated the art of
it so much, and then the fantasy that the red
carpet brings to our everyday lives was also the other
reason why I got into it, because I wanted to
be a part of making that fantasy for other people.
And so, you know, I you don't have to go
necessarily the root of wearing an you know, an all

(01:02:40):
monochrome like pink suit like Timothy Shallow may might do.
But maybe it's taking the idea of wearing a black
tuxedo and doing like a deep forest green tuxedo jacket
with a black pant, or a navy blue tuxedo jacket
with a black pant, and like, you know, just doing those.
Maybe it's wearing a patent leather shoe instead of like

(01:03:01):
a leather shoe with it, Like I think there are
ways for everybody to kind of be able to adapt
and and step into, you know, the world of using
fashion as self expression without you know, having to show
up in you know, a neon suit like I would do.
Can I ask you one other fashion question? Yeah, why

(01:03:22):
does Gucci care so much if you have the box
for the shoes if they don't fit good and you
want to send them back? Because I know you know
what I'm talking about. This is such an in This
is such an in question. Okay, So wait, so I
don't have the box that costs you three dollars, but

(01:03:43):
I do have the shoes that don't feel good. Oh yeah,
but where's the box? I'm like, don't you have an
extra box? Do you just do a right here? This
is so awesome? Um, well, I for example, I mean
for example, yeah, I mean most most places, like I

(01:04:06):
order most of my stuff online and they have like,
you know, special tags on them. So if I removed
the special tag, or even if I step on it
while I'm trying it on, I have to keep it
unless I want to fight with somebody on the phone.
So it's basically like as my grandmother would say when
we would go to auction houses when I was a
little kid, she would say, um, you know, uh, don't

(01:04:26):
be a bull in a china shop. If you break it,
you If you break it, you buy it. So basically
like Gucci is looking at it like you're not You're
not returning the full experience. So they may have a
box back there, but you need to hold onto the
box in order to return something. What if? What if?

(01:04:48):
Like I know, you know exactly, you know exactly what
I'm saying, Kevin, let me regreave this one for you.
Let's say we're let's say we're back ten years ago
and somebody buy is your c D and then they
listen to it for a second and I don't like
this music and I'm just gonna bring it back to you,
but I left the case at home. But hey, here's
your c D. I actually think you're I think you're

(01:05:10):
actually still allowed to return it. But also who would
return one of Gavin c D? Yeah, that was the
wildest hypothetically there by, Dude. I appreciate you coming on
with us. I want to learn more about you. You
have a new podcast where we can hear more about this,
right you, I sure do. It's called brad behavior and

(01:05:34):
it's uh super fun we talk a lot of fashion.
My husband comes on for a segment and answers questions.
And I've had some really fun, great guests on, so
you'll have to come on sometime. Yeah, hey, wait, wait,
one more thing? Can we do? Like? Can we do
like a style day where we go and we shoot
a bit the group of us and you and you

(01:05:55):
show us like this doesn't work for you? That works
for you? Love? I would love the thing more. I'm
so into it. It's a deal that would be amazing.
And can you We're gonna find you Someci Okay, we're
gonna find you Gucci shoes that you won't want to return.

(01:06:15):
I wants it. I need. I need more fashion tips
than anybody, Brad. So I'm gonna listen to brad behavior.
And I'd love to do something with you and Gav
and where you dress us both and um, because I
know I desperately need it. So even it's not for
the show, I need your help just in my personal
life with with dressing because I basically shop at Lululemon
is basically where I buy my anytime Brooks. Do you

(01:06:37):
know where to find men? Yes, let's let's definitely do
that video. Yeah, Okay, check out Brad's podcast, Brad Behavior
and Brad, I love your brother. I can't wait to
see your face soon right by. It's fun. Thanks guys.
Well that was fun, dude. That was That was like
the most educational episode that we've ever done. For myself,
I learned how to groom and I'm going to get

(01:06:58):
lessons from Brad on how to style and like to
be new men. Yeah, Tasha, you'd be rocking. I'm excited
to see her as this transformation. Yeah, we're gonna have
to it before and after. Let's do it before and
and I'm gonna be doing a clothing check speaks. You
guys look good. Okay, So Tasha is the judge then,
so you'll come back Tashia for another show. Absolutely. Like

(01:07:19):
I said, I learned a lot too, So this was
very beneficial for myself. You were a wonderful, gracious co host. Oh,
I thank you. We'd love to have you back again.
That's awesome. Where can our listeners find You're awesome? What
where can our listeners find you? Where do you hang
out the most? Instagram? You don't want all our listeners
coming to your house? Exact address? Yeah, go find me

(01:07:43):
on Instagram. My handle is t A Y s H
I A A Oh love it right on. That's it
for this episode. We love your feedback on this and
also we need your help guys. So if anybody out
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I'm working on it today. I got lucky. Yeah you did. Yeah,

(01:08:06):
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Till next week, take care of one another, love one another,
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