November 26, 2025 • 18 mins
One of the more disturbing stories of the week came out of a secret recording purportedly of a Campbell’s Soup executive. Former employee Robert Garza says he recorded his boss, Campbell’s Vice President and Chief Information Security Officer going on a tirade against the company, its products and some of its Indian Employees. Among the allegations, the man on the recording is heard saying that Campbell’s soup has bioengineered meat, saying he doesn’t wanna eat a piece of chicken that came from a 3D printer. Campbell’s Soup denies those claims and has put the exec on administrative leave while it investigates. Meantime the state of Florida is also investigating those claims and has threatened to shut down Campbell’s in its state if it finds any truth to the allegations.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, they're folks. It is Wednesday, November twenty six, the
day before Thanksgiving. It and before you use any campbell
soup and your Thanksgiving meal preparation, you need to hear this.
The CEO has a message for you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Not quite CEO, he's the vice president. He is a
vice president. Yeah, he's an executive.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
He's a hierarchy executive who want He has a message
robes for people who are wanting to use their products.
He wants you to know that it is ultra processed
and it's unhealthy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's like bio engineered meat.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yes, with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and
TJ Robes. First, you're using you said you're using Campbell's products.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It is not going to deter me. I actually have
two cast roles that require One of them requires cream
of mushroom soup. Campbell's in the pantry right now. The
other one requires Campbell's cream of chicken soup.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yumy, they're so good.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What kind of guess green bean cast role is the
cream of mushroom soup. It's just an old staple from
way back when that I just love. And nothing says
Thanksgiving like fried onions on top of canned green beans
and canned cream mushroom soup. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Wow. So the Campbell soup is probably the least of
your problems in that particular dish, okay, if anybody's eating it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And then we have my annual specialty that came to
me from my mom, which came to her from her mom,
which is a potato bakes and.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It has what Campbell's product.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Is called Country Potato bake. It has cream of chicken soup.
We're little chicken chunks in the cream of chicken soup.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So that's what did he say about the chicken.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
He said it was came from a three D printer.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, that was the other thing this executive said. So, yes,
it was not the CEO. Make sure we'll get that
out there. But this was the vice president for it
for the company, King executive Robes, who actually has nothing
to do with food production at all.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But you would think he would know how the sausage
is made though, being that he is at the level
he's at and the things he's seen, if he is
the VP of it, that means he's seen lots of
communications lying around about the general memos and I don't
know you'd think he'd be privy to things that the
rest of us are not.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well. Martin Bally is his name, but he was named
in a lawsuit from an employee who says he was
fired improperly. So this is why this is coming out.
We'll get into the details, but it's coming out now
because of that lawsuit, and a part of that lawsuit,
Robes is a at the center of it. At least
right now, there is a recording that this man has
(02:47):
made when he was an employee there and had a
meeting with this vice president in which he said all
kinds of racist remarks and made several comments disparaging the
product itself in Robes went on for a while.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, Robert Garza actually said he was going to meet
his boss, Martin Bally, the VP and Chief Information Security
Officer is his title as well. So he was there
to talk about his raise at a diner, and he said,
true to form, his boss Martin Bally started going off
(03:21):
on rants, and so he decided to record the conversation.
He ended up with an hour and fifteen minutes of
a recorded conversation. And by the way, where he recorded it,
his lawyers wanted to point out it is perfectly legal.
All you need is one party consent. The other person
doesn't have to know. One of the people involved in
the conversation has to know it's being recorded, and then
(03:43):
it's legal. But my god, this audio recording is damning.
And he said it was so disturbing that he didn't
say he had the recording. He just went to his
supervisor and told him what happened. He said he was
not given any to go to HR, He was not
giving any advice on how to handle it. But all
(04:04):
he knows is twenty days later he was fired and
he had no idea why. He said he wasn't given
a reason, He wasn't given a follow up. And he
said in the meeting with Bally, Balu actually was praising
him at how well he was doing his job. So
it seemed as though it were it was retribution for
basically whistleblowing. And now he's got the audio recording, and man,
(04:30):
is it damning?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Which is this now? Right? It's a legal I don't
know how much of a big deal of a legal
matter this would be. Big companies get sued all the
time by employees to scruntle. It happens all the time,
and we never hear about it. If this recording did
not exist, we wouldn't have heard about this one. My
(04:52):
question to you, does he have a case without this recording?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't think so, he said, he said, then right
at that point.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
But is he basing all of his issues on this? Yeah,
the focus is the recording and this made him want
to go to HR and then he got fired. Yes, correct,
he's saying, yes, this was my Oh well yeah, damn.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's his proof. And he actually ended up so yes,
they filed the lawsuit, and then he actually let a
Detroit News reporter, because this all happened in Michigan, listen
to the recording. I have to say, when I first
saw the story, I was skeptical because you hear disgruntled
employee god fired, is angry files a lawsuit? I thought,
uh huh okay, And then I heard the recording and
(05:36):
it is powerful and there is a reason why this
story is now making international headlines. We even right now
have a state, the state of Florida, threatening to ban
Campbell's soup products from the entire state of Florida. That's
how far this has gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
If they had just listened to Robert Garza when he
told them what Martin Bally said to him. This could
have all been avoided.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Isn't that something if you just do the right thing
in the moment, you could avoid a bigger problem down
the road.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, just investigate what he says. Don't fire him for
saying something you didn't want to hear, because he was.
It seems as though he was telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And the devastating part of this recording is not I'm
not thinking, oh this Mortn Valley is such a bad guy,
or even it's devastating for Campbell's. It's devastating what he's
saying about their products. Look, an insult to the customers
is one thing, but he, in a moment, an honest moment,
(06:38):
said their product is crap, and it's so crappy he
doesn't even use it. Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
All right, so we have some of the excerpts. Can
we say what he said without causing any problem.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I've been doing it for two days. Want to clean
it up?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
That's okay? No, no, no, he says, among many things.
This is from the Rook recording, and Robert Garza says,
this is Martin Bally again, Campbell's soup vice president and
chief Information Security officer, saying, we have shit for fucking
poor people who buys our shit. I don't buy Campbell's
(07:13):
products barely anymore. It's not healthy. Now that I know
what the fuck's in it?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That is just awful. Who's the competitor? Who is Campbell's
soup competitor? Is there?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I was just thinking, chunky, that's so funny. You can't
really think I can't come up with in this moment.
Amy's has some there's an Amy's organic brand I've seen
on the store shelf.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
This was politics. They would take that recording and play
it over and over again and say, yep, that's where
they are telling you about their products. Come over here
and try ours.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
This is crazy, Yes, it gets He also goes on
to say bio engineered. I don't want to eat a
piece of chicken that came from a three D printer.
And that is part of what is causing Florida's Attorney
general to say, hey, we actually funny enough this year
(08:13):
put a ban in place on bioengineered meat being sold
in our state. So now they have ordered an investigation
to say or to find out if any of what
this executive said is in fact true. Now, he also
admitted to Garza on this recording that he goes to
work high on THHC marijuana edibles. He just told him that.
(08:38):
I mean, that would be a fireable offense in and
of itself. But then he goes on to make incredibly
derogatory comments about the Indian employees. I actually feel uncomfortable
saying what he said. But he just basically said that
the Indian employees at Campbell's Soup don't know a effing thing,
(09:02):
they couldn't think for their effing selves, and called them idiots.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Damn, that is.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Harsh and hard to explain away, like, oh my words
were taking out of context now, I mean he has
the recording an hour and fifteen minutes and it goes
on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So yeah, and look, he's not going back to work there.
He's on leave now, he has been placed on leave.
I mean, obviously he's not going back to work. How
much work do they have to do now to make
up for this? You said it, didn't you did chicken line?
You just use there. Yeah, one of your cans is
cream of chicken.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yes, it has little chicken chunks in it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Okay, so you hear this, you think anything, you don't
stop for a second at all, You just go right about.
You think most people would just keep it rolling and
keep getting their Campbell's Tomato soup.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And I think some people will, and I think other
people will make a choice to change. Yes, I mean, look,
I have This is one I would like to talk
to my dad about because my dad was is a microbiologist,
but he worked for a very long time in the
meat industry, and specifically in the chicken industry, and he
used to always take issue with people making comments about McDonald's.
(10:16):
You know, they're like, oh, McDonald's chicken nuggets aren't really chicken,
and my dad would get very upset and say, they
are absolutely one hundred percent chicken. I can show you
do not believe that BS. That is all rumors, It
is not true. So I kind of have that line
of thinking when it comes to what someone might say
flippantly about their company's products. But it's hard not to
(10:40):
at least consider what this guy is saying and investigate
perhaps what might be going on. But we did get
some very specific and strong language from Campbell's soup company.
As you might imagine, they really felt the need to
respond to this, and we'll tell you what they have
to say about what their employee, their executive said on
(11:04):
a secret recording, and we'll let you be the judge.
Continuing our conversation about what is in your Campbell's soup?
Can do you feel comfortable consuming Campbell's soup? You're not
a big soup guy anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I can't remember the last time I had soup of
any kind, even when I'm sick. I won't even eat
chicken noodle. So when did I have soup last? I
never liked the tomato soup with the cheese, the cheese. Oh,
the grilled cheese, grilled cheese sandwich with the tomato.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Best comfort food ever, grilled cheese tomato soup. So it's funny.
I haven't had a lot of soup since you and
I have been together because you don't like it. And
I will get French onion souper around you, but it's
not like I make it in the house. I used
to make potato soup. I used I love, love, love
love butternut squash soup. I love all of it. And
I will tell you Campbell's growing up. I can whittle.
(12:06):
I can just say exactly the soups I loved because
this was a big product in our house. And I
will say we we were definitely cutting coupons and all
of that. So to what he was saying perhaps could
be true. But chicken noodle, bean with bacon, that was
my absolute favorite. Bean with bacon, soup, French onion soup,
cream of mushroom. Oh, I love.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Wait, cream of mushroom. You just eat it? Yes, I
thought it was only using dishes. Oh God, no, I
ate that cream of mushroom.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I loved it, delicious, salty. What do you mean? I'm
I sure, yes, I ate cream mushroom soup.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's just a soup.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yes. Then there's cream of broccoli. There's like broccoli and cheddar.
I used to eat those soups. I mean it was
something that we probably ate in my house growing up
at least twice a week. Wow, I mean that is
how much we ate campbell soup. So anyway, Campbell's has
had a lot of work this week. Their PR department
has been on overtime on a holiday week. I'm sure
(12:59):
they're really excited. Really did them in? Look? I have
seen my dad deal with recalls and other food safety
issues while We're on vacation, and when these kinds of
stories break, it is all about like managing managing the headlines. Obviously,
making sure your product safe is the most important thing.
But this is a huge pr disaster on a holiday
(13:20):
week for Campbell Soup.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
This isn't a product issue. This isn't a safety of
your product issue at all. This is just somebody who's
put into the minds of America that your product is
no good, it's healthier. You're hiding something about.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It during a week where people are using your products,
probably more than ever. That's the thing I'm telling you.
Campbell's soup cans are staples and cast roles. Cast Roles
are staples on Thanksgiving tables period across it. So this
is huge. So Campbell Soup said this, if accurate, the
comments in the recording are unacceptable. They do not reflect
(13:56):
our values and the culture of our company. We are
actively instigating this matter. So that was probably about the
Indian slurs that were said. Then this about the food.
The comments heard on the recording about our food are
not only inaccurate, they are patently absurd. We use one
hundred percent real chicken in our soups. The chicken meat
(14:17):
comes from long trusted USDA approved us suppliers and meets
our high quality standards. All of our soups are made
with no antibiotics ever chicken meat. Any claims to the
contrary are completely false. And they did add this one
last bit. The person alleged to be speaking on the
(14:37):
recording works in it and has nothing to do with
how we make our food y.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I like that last note. This guy don't know what
he's talking about. We don't even let him in a lab.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But he is the chief information security officer. So if
your chief information security officer doesn't know anything about your food,
that's another problem in and of itself.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Consider it this way, how much do you think the
it guy at networks we worked at are up on
how the sausage of the news is made and decisions
are in the newsroom. That's a total separation. Isn't it
possible that he is totally out of the loop without
(15:23):
a doubt? Then why is he? What is he think?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Because he's trying to sound like a funny, cool guy.
You know, you can kind of see it. Who knows,
maybe he had popped an edible right.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
What you listened to it? How did he sound. I mean,
he just.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Sounded like he was trying to be too cool for school,
and he was a little angry. Maybe he was a
little bitter about something. Who knows, someone rubbed him the
wrong way. He popped an edible. He got this like,
I know, it's not liquid courage, it's gummy courage whatever,
And he just thought he was going to show off
and spout out all this stuff and be the big
man on campus. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Okay, that's a scenario.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's a scenario. Well, but this has real life implications.
Florida's Attorney general said he and he said, I will
shut down well, I will shut down Campbell's soup any
violator of the state's law on lab grown meat. So
they have officially launched an investigation into Campbell's in the
state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And he said this was his He put this out
on x This is Florida Attorney General, James uf Meyer.
He said, we don't do the fake lab grown meat
here in Florida. We'll enforce the law and shut it down.
So that is where things stand in Florida. So their
(16:34):
state's Consumer Protection Division is launching an investigation. I mean
that is that's very I don't know that the Garza
had any idea. He just probably wants to win his lawsuit.
He said it took him ten months to get his
job another job. He said, this really was a significant
hardship for him to be fired without cause. And man,
the implications are far reached.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
O Florida is telling Campbell's you don't you don't have
access to the third fourth most populous state in the nation. Yeah,
taking that that's money. This is huge. Now they're going
to be able to prove I would guess I.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Would think they would too. But I just think like
that legitimizes the seriousness potentially of these allegations, or at
least what this man is saying for folks who are
again reaching in the grocery store aisles to pick what
they want to put in their food for Thanksgiving. I
think this could give a lot of folks pause.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It lends credibility for doing this, lends credibility to his
words that we have to at least look into it. Wow,
this was Yeah, you were you were on one about
this story for the past couple of days.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Because I love Campbell's soup and have since I was
as young as I can remember. So this is a
big deal. This is not over. Clearly, this story is
going to continue and we will follow it for you.
But you know what, y'all, enjoy your Campbell's soup infused
cast rules like I will be doing on this Thanksgiving Bess.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Not a castlerole guy, you know, I'm not a castlele guy.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But it's good. The country potato bake with corn flakes.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
On top, corn flakes on a casserole.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's delicious.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Raisins in there too.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
No, I don't, actually I don't like raisins in my casseroles.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But people do that.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Some people do all right without everyone. Thank you for
listening to us. I may be Robock alongside my castle
role love and fiance DJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Hey, they're folks. It is Wednesday, November twenty six, the
day before Thanksgiving. It and before you use any campbell
soup and your Thanksgiving meal preparation, you need to hear this.
The CEO has a message for you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Not quite CEO, he's the vice president. He is a
vice president. Yeah, he's an executive.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
He's a hierarchy executive who want He has a message
robes for people who are wanting to use their products.
He wants you to know that it is ultra processed
and it's unhealthy.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's like bio engineered meat.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yes, with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and
TJ Robes. First, you're using you said you're using Campbell's products.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It is not going to deter me. I actually have
two cast roles that require One of them requires cream
of mushroom soup. Campbell's in the pantry right now. The
other one requires Campbell's cream of chicken soup.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yumy, they're so good.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What kind of guess green bean cast role is the
cream of mushroom soup. It's just an old staple from
way back when that I just love. And nothing says
Thanksgiving like fried onions on top of canned green beans
and canned cream mushroom soup. It's so good.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Wow. So the Campbell soup is probably the least of
your problems in that particular dish, okay, if anybody's eating it.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And then we have my annual specialty that came to
me from my mom, which came to her from her mom,
which is a potato bakes and.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
It has what Campbell's product.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Is called Country Potato bake. It has cream of chicken soup.
We're little chicken chunks in the cream of chicken soup.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
So that's what did he say about the chicken.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
He said it was came from a three D printer.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, that was the other thing this executive said. So, yes,
it was not the CEO. Make sure we'll get that
out there. But this was the vice president for it
for the company, King executive Robes, who actually has nothing
to do with food production at all.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
But you would think he would know how the sausage
is made though, being that he is at the level
he's at and the things he's seen, if he is
the VP of it, that means he's seen lots of
communications lying around about the general memos and I don't
know you'd think he'd be privy to things that the
rest of us are not.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Well. Martin Bally is his name, but he was named
in a lawsuit from an employee who says he was
fired improperly. So this is why this is coming out.
We'll get into the details, but it's coming out now
because of that lawsuit, and a part of that lawsuit,
Robes is a at the center of it. At least
right now, there is a recording that this man has
(02:47):
made when he was an employee there and had a
meeting with this vice president in which he said all
kinds of racist remarks and made several comments disparaging the
product itself in Robes went on for a while.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, Robert Garza actually said he was going to meet
his boss, Martin Bally, the VP and Chief Information Security
Officer is his title as well. So he was there
to talk about his raise at a diner, and he said,
true to form, his boss Martin Bally started going off
(03:21):
on rants, and so he decided to record the conversation.
He ended up with an hour and fifteen minutes of
a recorded conversation. And by the way, where he recorded it,
his lawyers wanted to point out it is perfectly legal.
All you need is one party consent. The other person
doesn't have to know. One of the people involved in
the conversation has to know it's being recorded, and then
(03:43):
it's legal. But my god, this audio recording is damning.
And he said it was so disturbing that he didn't
say he had the recording. He just went to his
supervisor and told him what happened. He said he was
not given any to go to HR, He was not
giving any advice on how to handle it. But all
(04:04):
he knows is twenty days later he was fired and
he had no idea why. He said he wasn't given
a reason, He wasn't given a follow up. And he
said in the meeting with Bally, Balu actually was praising
him at how well he was doing his job. So
it seemed as though it were it was retribution for
basically whistleblowing. And now he's got the audio recording, and man,
(04:30):
is it damning?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Which is this now? Right? It's a legal I don't
know how much of a big deal of a legal
matter this would be. Big companies get sued all the
time by employees to scruntle. It happens all the time,
and we never hear about it. If this recording did
not exist, we wouldn't have heard about this one. My
(04:52):
question to you, does he have a case without this recording?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
I don't think so, he said, he said, then right
at that point.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
But is he basing all of his issues on this? Yeah,
the focus is the recording and this made him want
to go to HR and then he got fired. Yes, correct,
he's saying, yes, this was my Oh well yeah, damn.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's his proof. And he actually ended up so yes,
they filed the lawsuit, and then he actually let a
Detroit News reporter, because this all happened in Michigan, listen
to the recording. I have to say, when I first
saw the story, I was skeptical because you hear disgruntled
employee god fired, is angry files a lawsuit? I thought,
uh huh okay, And then I heard the recording and
(05:36):
it is powerful and there is a reason why this
story is now making international headlines. We even right now
have a state, the state of Florida, threatening to ban
Campbell's soup products from the entire state of Florida. That's
how far this has gotten.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
If they had just listened to Robert Garza when he
told them what Martin Bally said to him. This could
have all been avoided.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Isn't that something if you just do the right thing
in the moment, you could avoid a bigger problem down
the road.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, just investigate what he says. Don't fire him for
saying something you didn't want to hear, because he was.
It seems as though he was telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
And the devastating part of this recording is not I'm
not thinking, oh this Mortn Valley is such a bad guy,
or even it's devastating for Campbell's. It's devastating what he's
saying about their products. Look, an insult to the customers
is one thing, but he, in a moment, an honest moment,
(06:38):
said their product is crap, and it's so crappy he
doesn't even use it. Wow.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
All right, so we have some of the excerpts. Can
we say what he said without causing any problem.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I've been doing it for two days. Want to clean
it up?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
That's okay? No, no, no, he says, among many things.
This is from the Rook recording, and Robert Garza says,
this is Martin Bally again, Campbell's soup vice president and
chief Information Security officer, saying, we have shit for fucking
poor people who buys our shit. I don't buy Campbell's
(07:13):
products barely anymore. It's not healthy. Now that I know
what the fuck's in it?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
That is just awful. Who's the competitor? Who is Campbell's
soup competitor? Is there?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I was just thinking, chunky, that's so funny. You can't
really think I can't come up with in this moment.
Amy's has some there's an Amy's organic brand I've seen
on the store shelf.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
This was politics. They would take that recording and play
it over and over again and say, yep, that's where
they are telling you about their products. Come over here
and try ours.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
This is crazy, Yes, it gets He also goes on
to say bio engineered. I don't want to eat a
piece of chicken that came from a three D printer.
And that is part of what is causing Florida's Attorney
general to say, hey, we actually funny enough this year
(08:13):
put a ban in place on bioengineered meat being sold
in our state. So now they have ordered an investigation
to say or to find out if any of what
this executive said is in fact true. Now, he also
admitted to Garza on this recording that he goes to
work high on THHC marijuana edibles. He just told him that.
(08:38):
I mean, that would be a fireable offense in and
of itself. But then he goes on to make incredibly
derogatory comments about the Indian employees. I actually feel uncomfortable
saying what he said. But he just basically said that
the Indian employees at Campbell's Soup don't know a effing thing,
(09:02):
they couldn't think for their effing selves, and called them idiots.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Damn, that is.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Harsh and hard to explain away, like, oh my words
were taking out of context now, I mean he has
the recording an hour and fifteen minutes and it goes
on and on and on.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So yeah, and look, he's not going back to work there.
He's on leave now, he has been placed on leave.
I mean, obviously he's not going back to work. How
much work do they have to do now to make
up for this? You said it, didn't you did chicken line?
You just use there. Yeah, one of your cans is
cream of chicken.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yes, it has little chicken chunks in it.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Okay, so you hear this, you think anything, you don't
stop for a second at all, You just go right about.
You think most people would just keep it rolling and
keep getting their Campbell's Tomato soup.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And I think some people will, and I think other
people will make a choice to change. Yes, I mean, look,
I have This is one I would like to talk
to my dad about because my dad was is a microbiologist,
but he worked for a very long time in the
meat industry, and specifically in the chicken industry, and he
used to always take issue with people making comments about McDonald's.
(10:16):
You know, they're like, oh, McDonald's chicken nuggets aren't really chicken,
and my dad would get very upset and say, they
are absolutely one hundred percent chicken. I can show you
do not believe that BS. That is all rumors, It
is not true. So I kind of have that line
of thinking when it comes to what someone might say
flippantly about their company's products. But it's hard not to
(10:40):
at least consider what this guy is saying and investigate
perhaps what might be going on. But we did get
some very specific and strong language from Campbell's soup company.
As you might imagine, they really felt the need to
respond to this, and we'll tell you what they have
to say about what their employee, their executive said on
(11:04):
a secret recording, and we'll let you be the judge.
Continuing our conversation about what is in your Campbell's soup?
Can do you feel comfortable consuming Campbell's soup? You're not
a big soup guy anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I can't remember the last time I had soup of
any kind, even when I'm sick. I won't even eat
chicken noodle. So when did I have soup last? I
never liked the tomato soup with the cheese, the cheese. Oh,
the grilled cheese, grilled cheese sandwich with the tomato.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Best comfort food ever, grilled cheese tomato soup. So it's funny.
I haven't had a lot of soup since you and
I have been together because you don't like it. And
I will get French onion souper around you, but it's
not like I make it in the house. I used
to make potato soup. I used I love, love, love
love butternut squash soup. I love all of it. And
I will tell you Campbell's growing up. I can whittle.
(12:06):
I can just say exactly the soups I loved because
this was a big product in our house. And I
will say we we were definitely cutting coupons and all
of that. So to what he was saying perhaps could
be true. But chicken noodle, bean with bacon, that was
my absolute favorite. Bean with bacon, soup, French onion soup,
cream of mushroom. Oh, I love.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Wait, cream of mushroom. You just eat it? Yes, I
thought it was only using dishes. Oh God, no, I
ate that cream of mushroom.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I loved it, delicious, salty. What do you mean? I'm
I sure, yes, I ate cream mushroom soup.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's just a soup.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yes. Then there's cream of broccoli. There's like broccoli and cheddar.
I used to eat those soups. I mean it was
something that we probably ate in my house growing up
at least twice a week. Wow, I mean that is
how much we ate campbell soup. So anyway, Campbell's has
had a lot of work this week. Their PR department
has been on overtime on a holiday week. I'm sure
(12:59):
they're really excited. Really did them in? Look? I have
seen my dad deal with recalls and other food safety
issues while We're on vacation, and when these kinds of
stories break, it is all about like managing managing the headlines. Obviously,
making sure your product safe is the most important thing.
But this is a huge pr disaster on a holiday
(13:20):
week for Campbell Soup.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
This isn't a product issue. This isn't a safety of
your product issue at all. This is just somebody who's
put into the minds of America that your product is
no good, it's healthier. You're hiding something about.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
It during a week where people are using your products,
probably more than ever. That's the thing I'm telling you.
Campbell's soup cans are staples and cast roles. Cast Roles
are staples on Thanksgiving tables period across it. So this
is huge. So Campbell Soup said this, if accurate, the
comments in the recording are unacceptable. They do not reflect
(13:56):
our values and the culture of our company. We are
actively instigating this matter. So that was probably about the
Indian slurs that were said. Then this about the food.
The comments heard on the recording about our food are
not only inaccurate, they are patently absurd. We use one
hundred percent real chicken in our soups. The chicken meat
(14:17):
comes from long trusted USDA approved us suppliers and meets
our high quality standards. All of our soups are made
with no antibiotics ever chicken meat. Any claims to the
contrary are completely false. And they did add this one
last bit. The person alleged to be speaking on the
(14:37):
recording works in it and has nothing to do with
how we make our food y.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I like that last note. This guy don't know what
he's talking about. We don't even let him in a lab.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But he is the chief information security officer. So if
your chief information security officer doesn't know anything about your food,
that's another problem in and of itself.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Consider it this way, how much do you think the
it guy at networks we worked at are up on
how the sausage of the news is made and decisions
are in the newsroom. That's a total separation. Isn't it
possible that he is totally out of the loop without
(15:23):
a doubt? Then why is he? What is he think?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Because he's trying to sound like a funny, cool guy.
You know, you can kind of see it. Who knows,
maybe he had popped an edible right.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
What you listened to it? How did he sound. I mean,
he just.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Sounded like he was trying to be too cool for school,
and he was a little angry. Maybe he was a
little bitter about something. Who knows, someone rubbed him the
wrong way. He popped an edible. He got this like,
I know, it's not liquid courage, it's gummy courage whatever,
And he just thought he was going to show off
and spout out all this stuff and be the big
man on campus. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Okay, that's a scenario.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's a scenario. Well, but this has real life implications.
Florida's Attorney general said he and he said, I will
shut down well, I will shut down Campbell's soup any
violator of the state's law on lab grown meat. So
they have officially launched an investigation into Campbell's in the
state of Florida.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And he said this was his He put this out
on x This is Florida Attorney General, James uf Meyer.
He said, we don't do the fake lab grown meat
here in Florida. We'll enforce the law and shut it down.
So that is where things stand in Florida. So their
(16:34):
state's Consumer Protection Division is launching an investigation. I mean
that is that's very I don't know that the Garza
had any idea. He just probably wants to win his lawsuit.
He said it took him ten months to get his
job another job. He said, this really was a significant
hardship for him to be fired without cause. And man,
the implications are far reached.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
O Florida is telling Campbell's you don't you don't have
access to the third fourth most populous state in the nation. Yeah,
taking that that's money. This is huge. Now they're going
to be able to prove I would guess I.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Would think they would too. But I just think like
that legitimizes the seriousness potentially of these allegations, or at
least what this man is saying for folks who are
again reaching in the grocery store aisles to pick what
they want to put in their food for Thanksgiving. I
think this could give a lot of folks pause.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It lends credibility for doing this, lends credibility to his
words that we have to at least look into it. Wow,
this was Yeah, you were you were on one about
this story for the past couple of days.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Because I love Campbell's soup and have since I was
as young as I can remember. So this is a
big deal. This is not over. Clearly, this story is
going to continue and we will follow it for you.
But you know what, y'all, enjoy your Campbell's soup infused
cast rules like I will be doing on this Thanksgiving Bess.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Not a castlerole guy, you know, I'm not a castlele guy.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But it's good. The country potato bake with corn flakes.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
On top, corn flakes on a casserole.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's delicious.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Raisins in there too.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
No, I don't, actually I don't like raisins in my casseroles.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But people do that.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Some people do all right without everyone. Thank you for
listening to us. I may be Robock alongside my castle
role love and fiance DJ Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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