December 17, 2025 • 19 mins
Rhode Island officials held a late day press conference as the manhunt for the Brown University shooter continued for a fifth day. Authorities are asking for the public’s help in identifying a man who may have encountered the actual shooter. They also gave an update on the hospitalized victims of the attack.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, December seventeenth, at breaking update
about the Brown University shooting. Police are now not looking
for one, but two people, but only one of them
is involved in the shooting. We'll explain, all right, So
welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes. We
just watched a press conference that was you know what,
(00:25):
We don't live in Providence and this made us uncomfortable.
They are really have to be unnerved there now. But yes,
police are looking for somebody who might have talked to
the somebody they ultimately want to arrest.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yes, this news conference came after we actually were walking
by the TV and saw, I don't know if we
want to call out the network with one of the
most hilarious I say hilarious because it seemed nonsensical and
almost ridiculous lower third or chirn on the bottom of
the screen, and it pretty much sums up what we
got from the actual press conference itself.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I know you took a picture of it, yep.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Because we've been in this business a long time and
I've never quite seen anything like this. And it said
police's police search for person who may have crossed paths
with person of interest I have not seen that before,
and that is what we're talking about, folks in sweetheart,
this gives us sorry. I threw in sweetheart for some reason.
(01:19):
I'm sorry. This is not where we are, but talking
to you here in our home and recording, I guess
I got a little comfortable what I'm saying. This says
so much, does it not about where they are in
this investigation, and it might not be very far along.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's telling in that it seems as though they have
nothing and they're desperate to even find somebody who crossed
paths with their person of interest. And so they actually
have this guy's face up. They zoomed in on his face.
They had him on several screens. They also had to
(01:55):
tell people please don't go by what you're seeing on
social media because people are making up fake hey I,
versions of persons of interest of people and faces. So
it's super confusing. So important, Yeah, and they want the
public's help. They need the public's help, and so they're
asking people to take a look at this photo.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Maybe the person recognizes himself.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Maybe someone says, hey, that's my brother, my boyfriend, my son, whatever,
so that they can talk to him to see if
he remembers anything distinguishing about the person of interest. They
think he may have even had a small conversation with
the person of interest. They don't know, but it's it's
at that point now where they're begging to find somebody
who might know something about the person they're actually looking for.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
The shooter may be the most wanted man in America
right now. This other person might be the second most wanted,
not for a crime. Let's be clear here. They do
not believe this other person is any way connected to
the shooting, at least that's what they're telling us right now.
But they say there is some interaction that they belie
took place between the shooter and this person to where
(03:04):
they're putting out this alert robes. I've never quite seen
anything like this. They focused more in this press conference
on this bystander than they did on the actual shooter, because.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
They don't have any information on the shooter. The shooter
was wearing all black mask. The shooter had a mask
over his face, like a black COVID like mask. You
cannot tell what his face looks like. You just can't.
So they've been forced to say he's stocky, he has
a strange walking gait. But other than that, that depicts
(03:35):
what so many people that there's no way you can
even narrow down your search with the limited information they
have on this person of interest. And it was very
clear in this press conference that they're desperate. This is
day five, This is the fifth day of the manhunt
for this Brown University shooter, and they have already brought
(03:55):
in two persons of interest and released them. They errant
and he said they had the guy twice now and
have had to take it back. And now it seems
as though they're back to square one, like they're literally
saying what else can we do?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And every investigator, an analyst you will see on TV
or giving you any opinion, will tell you that first
where they lost twenty four hours, they had somebody in custody.
That means we think we got our guy, so we're
not out there searching for any So in all of
this time, you're looking in the wrong direction. All your
(04:31):
resources went to the wrong place. So in losing that time,
you remember when the mayor came out, this was one
of the most chilling things I've still heard in this investigation.
We don't know if he's left the state, We don't
even know if he's in the state or not. Now
I don't know if that's still the case, but it
certainly seems like it robes. They are desperate to find
this individual, did they. I didn't hear a description necessarily.
(04:54):
They have the picture up there, which you can't tell
that much, but you can at least see his face.
If you know him, you would recognize him.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Obviously, he looks like any other guy, brown hair, you
know what, in his twenties or thirties, kind of indistinguishable.
But obviously if that's someone who you know or who
you love, you will recognize him. But it is very
telling that that's where they are in this investigation on
day five. There's a reason why that show, that investigative
show I think it's on CBS, is called forty eight
hours because they say the first forty eight it's everything.
(05:25):
We're on day five, they're asking for help to recognize
a guy on a street who might have seen the
guy on the street.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And the other thing, they're desperate and asking for the
public's help. Now, they put out some other video that
was an initial video you just saw from the back
walking around this sidewalk. That was the first one they
put out. But in recent days, yesterday for sure, they
put out more videos that they had collected from people's homes.
You know, everybody has those ring cams or whatever. There's
(05:51):
surveillance everywhere, and they pieced together that this guy had
actually been in the area from ten am the shooting
was at four, so he was casing the area. Again
another telling piece here, they're asking people in a particular area.
They put up a map right showing the neighborhood in
this certain square block area. If you live here, we
are asking you to go check every camera you might have,
(06:16):
and they even say it robes. If you don't know
how to work it, call us. We will send an
officer over to help. He actually said that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It was a press conference of asking for help, yes,
and then explaining that they don't know anything. I mean,
they weren't even a position to say whether or not
the weapon used in this mass shooting was a long
gun or not. They didn't want people to get that
in their heads if they know somebody and thought, oh, well,
he doesn't have a long gun.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
He has a different gun. Whatever they were, but it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Was it almost became it was you just thought, these
poor folks standing out there trying to give information and
they're literally telling us they have no information and begging
us for information. It was a reverse press conference. Can
you give us information? And because we have none to
give to you.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And again that's what that's an important investigative tool, is
it not you ask for the public's health. Something that's
that helped this high profile Surely, I don't know. It
might not be long. Somebody's gonna recognize this guy and
then well we'll see what happens. But robes these high,
high high profile cases, you know, they are absolutely freaking
(07:22):
out right now. They have a whole community and fear.
We don't know who this guy was or what the
motivation was, So you can't tell me for sure he's
not going to go do more harm somewhere.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You can't see that, can't say that at all. You
don't even know why he walked into that. They know
he was there for a while now, casing out the campus,
trying to figure out how, when, where, and who he
was going to shoot, But they don't know why he
did it. They don't know where he's headed next, They
don't know if he still has some sort of an
ax to grind with anyone else if he's planning more mayhem.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
They literally have no idea.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Now it's interesting with all of that non information, you
had a very positive Rhode Island Attorney general. He was
being very optimistic. He was like, we're going to crack
this case. When we crack it, it's going to open
really quickly. So it's almost like he was convincing himself
that they were going to crack the case.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But this is the guy who's been very frustrated, yes,
with answers, excuse me, with questions that have come his
way that they simply cannot answer. And look, I know
the scrutiny right now, but this is one you have
got to be What are you say, even if you
cannot solve all the problems, the leader of that community,
the mayor, somebody needs to step out and exude confidence
and comfort. And when they come out and yeah, guys
(08:33):
like even the way they start to speak, I am
not and I'm sorry if this sounds critical, but what's
happened now does not make a frightened community feel better.
We watch this press conference today and you did not
feel confidence in what's happening. Not to say they're doing
(08:54):
a bad job, but for where the investigation is. Nothing
about it today made you feel good.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And the problem is the misinformation that was released immediately
following the shooting, where people actually were breathing that sigh
of relief, did feel like they were safe. So now
that trust has been completely eroded, and so you cannot
tell me that I'm safe. He was actually the mayor
of Brett Smiley is his name. He was urging members
of his community and his city to continue to go
(09:22):
about their business, to go to work, to take your
kids to school, to go holiday shopping. I actually hadn't
even considered that there's a gunman on the loose. Do
you really feel comfortable sending your kids to school? I
didn't even realize. I bet you a lot of parents
have kept their kids home from school. I bet a
lot of parents have decided not to go to work
until this is figured out. And he's asking members of
(09:45):
his community to trust them that they've got this, that
they're on it, that all resources are being dedicated to it.
To please not let fear cripple this community.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
What happened how you said that's sending their kids to school.
You talk about community, that the local community. What if
he's not caught. What do parents think about seeing their
kids back to Brown in Jane.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
There's absolutely no way I would because I'm actually I'm
imagining myself as you know, I have a college student
and she is I've been concerned there. I've been issues
at Boulder, not while she was there, not while she
was on campus. But if there was an active shooter
on the run, a man hunt underway, you think I
want to send my kid back to that campus.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Wow, I didn't think about that. And again, that seems
like a long ways away, and we say, surely is
going to be caught. And I was thinking about the
other one to make comparison, because it felt like forever
to catch the suspect in the Charlie kirkshooting that was
thirty three hours.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, this is the fifth day.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That was a day and a half, Todd, And that felt.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like for it did You're right? It did feel like
a long time, and.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Somebody was in custody and then got released. This kind
of thing that was Cash Betel. Well stay with us here, folks,
because Cash Hotel is in the middle of this one again,
and the investigators in Rhode Island are saying he is
not helping at all. Plus, we have an update. We
got one today about how the victims in the hospital
(11:14):
are doing and it is a positive one. Stay here
all right, folks, We continue here on Amy and TJ.
Breaking developments today in the Brown University shooting. That breaking
development is that they are searching for somebody else that
(11:36):
somebody else just happens to not be a suspect, but
someone they believe may have interacted with the suspects. And again, Robes,
the point here is that they are desperate for leads.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
They're looking for anything to point them in the direction
of who this shooter may be. They don't have a description,
they don't have any facial details, they have nothing to
go on.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You say, no description, but I'm not putting you on
the stocky. I'm about to say, what's the one thing
we know about stocky?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
They keep telling and you just described most men in America.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
A middle aged men would be a little stocky. Would
they not look up on TV? Just somebody happened to
be up as stocky fella like to your prea, that's
a stocky. Okay, We move forward here, folks. That with
the case here what we were saying, cash, but tell
I mentioned a moment ago, we all know what happened
(12:32):
with the shooting of Charlie Kirk. He flat out made
an announcement that they had this shooter in custody, right,
you remember all this?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, And I understand there's a rush to say we
got them, we got our guy. We want we want
not only do we want the public to be redecigh
relief and not be worried about it, but also we
want to say.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
We did our job. You got to be right, You
think he would have learned from his past mistake.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
When you say it like that. And this isn't us
but the Rhode Island. It was the Attorney General who
was very critical in an inner of cash Betel putting
out a tweet in which he was talking about the
FBI's role in capturing this suspect. But yes, announcing suspect
does in custody and the FBI helped in this, but
da essentially celebrating their role. He said that, and they
(13:16):
knew immediately, at least the investigators on the ground that
this was not the case.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And like, oh my god, what is he doing?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And he made a point, the Attorney General to take
a couple of shots saying, basically saying that Cashptel does
not have any sort of experience in policing and investigations,
and it if you had experience, you would never have
put out a tweet like that.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And as soon as it was a dig, it was
and it was unnecessary and you don't we don't need
that right now.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I would think they wouldn't want that right now.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You don't want to be at war or start a
fight or pick a fight with the FBI director when
you are a little busy right now and you kind
of need their help.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Let's be honest to find this guy.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But when he said it, he can, he's pissed.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
He was angry, like there.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Is so much scrutiny, an intense scrutiny and attention on
these folks, the mayor, that police chief, the attorney general
now and now the FBI, everybody, and to think. And again,
as soon as he said we were watching him at
that clip, I said, oh, yeah, he's a democrat. Sure nough,
I'm looking at he's a democrat. I mean, obviously that
was pretty obvious. But we don't need that right now.
(14:25):
We have got to see them, and I hope we
see them standing next to each other in the press
conference very soon, and quite frankly, I would love if
literally their arms were around each other because this is
an awful story and we need these folks who are
leading an investigation. We need to feel like they're getting.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Along and they just need to work together.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And if you, if you, if you ratchet up the
tension like that because you're angry in the moment, I
wonder if he regrets that because you can't unsay it,
and he said it publicly.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's one thing to say it to his face.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's one thing to say it to him even in private,
but to put it out there on national television and
absolutely deliberately take a shot at cash Hotel. Not that
he wasn't right, and you can be right and you
can be correct, but it still might not be your
best move when you need to have all the help
(15:11):
you can get trying to catch this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So now to that robes here, we are what happens
now when word leaks out and sources say or Cash
Battel can put out another tweet and we would go
get another source. That's a problem of his making, nobody else's.
But if you can't trust they talk all the time
about who you can trust and fake news and trusting
(15:36):
what's put out. The head of the FBI, on two
now of potentially highest profile murder cases in this country
this year, has told us something that was one hundred
percent wrong. That's a problem. And we've talked about this.
Look and again, this has nothing to do with politics.
We're just looking at this from a journalism standpoint. I've
(15:57):
never have you ever known s well the need to
get a second source or to verify something that came
from the White House, from whoever whomever in the administration,
and that has been the case. But these are this
is not a fact check. Well, oh the President said this,
but if you go back in history, if you look
at this and no, no, no, he was wrong. No, no, no,
these are are are they are the source we if
(16:21):
the FBI director tells me somebody's arrested, who am I
supposed to go check with? I'm saying these are the
ultimate sources. And you have to pause. This is a
for that community robes. Where is this guy?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Who is this guy?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
How about the probitus right now? How would you be feeling?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I would feel very concerned.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Look, the only thing I can can relate to is.
I was living in Washington, d C. And was a
reporter when the Cereal snipers were out. Let me tell
you we lived in fear for three weeks. People zigzagged
to the grocery store, people crouched down when gassing their car.
It's really scary when you know someone who's been willing
(17:01):
to kill at random and is still on the run.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
That is scary.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
But doing that right, we knew that DC killer was
out there picking people off, and wow, where's going to
be the next one? We don't necessarily have that feeling here,
but to a degree, it's scarier because we have zero
clue what this person's up to.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Is he going to strike again? Is he going to
walk into a movie theater? Is he going to walk
into a school? Is he going to walk into any
holiday event where you think you can go with your
family safely and enjoy this time of year.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
All of that is now scary.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And was there a target? Why Brown? Why that classroom?
If he was there for that long, it's looked like
he was looking for an opportunity instead of looking for
that classroom. But who knows?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And if he got away with it, If he gets
away with it, will he feel emboldened to do it again.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And we're looking up on the screen here it's still
at this It is really scary to think that somebody
was floating around, walking around for a six hours looking
for possibly an opportunity to kill folks we jumped on
here today. This has been a fast movie, a breaking
news day on a lot of fronts. We remind you
again top right corner of that Apple podcast app where
you see our show as a button there that says
(18:14):
follow click that you can continue to get our updates.
The one positive update we saved here for the end
robes is at least to hear it sounds like just
about everybody in the hospital is doing.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Bet better exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So we heard from the mayor that they only now
have one survivor who's still in critical but stable condition.
Five others are now have been upgraded to stable condition,
and that means the other three have already been released
from the hospital. So the mayor said he actually directly
spoke to the parents of these students, and they all
sounded upbeat and optimistic that their kids were going to
(18:50):
pull through and be okay, and that, of course is
the best news of all.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Of course, the two students who died. They recognize them.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
There were memorials for these two students that we've seen,
their pictures, their faces. It is incredibly sad and heartbreaking,
but it is good to hear that the others who
were injured are all looking like they are going to
survive and hopefully be out of the hospital sooner rather
than later. We will continue to follow any developments in
this story, and certainly there have been quite a few,
(19:19):
so we appreciate you for listening.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I Ami Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Hey, folks, it is Wednesday, December seventeenth, at breaking update
about the Brown University shooting. Police are now not looking
for one, but two people, but only one of them
is involved in the shooting. We'll explain, all right, So
welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes. We
just watched a press conference that was you know what,
(00:25):
We don't live in Providence and this made us uncomfortable.
They are really have to be unnerved there now. But yes,
police are looking for somebody who might have talked to
the somebody they ultimately want to arrest.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yes, this news conference came after we actually were walking
by the TV and saw, I don't know if we
want to call out the network with one of the
most hilarious I say hilarious because it seemed nonsensical and
almost ridiculous lower third or chirn on the bottom of
the screen, and it pretty much sums up what we
got from the actual press conference itself.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I know you took a picture of it, yep.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Because we've been in this business a long time and
I've never quite seen anything like this. And it said
police's police search for person who may have crossed paths
with person of interest I have not seen that before,
and that is what we're talking about, folks in sweetheart,
this gives us sorry. I threw in sweetheart for some reason.
(01:19):
I'm sorry. This is not where we are, but talking
to you here in our home and recording, I guess
I got a little comfortable what I'm saying. This says
so much, does it not about where they are in
this investigation, and it might not be very far along.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's telling in that it seems as though they have
nothing and they're desperate to even find somebody who crossed
paths with their person of interest. And so they actually
have this guy's face up. They zoomed in on his face.
They had him on several screens. They also had to
(01:55):
tell people please don't go by what you're seeing on
social media because people are making up fake hey I,
versions of persons of interest of people and faces. So
it's super confusing. So important, Yeah, and they want the
public's help. They need the public's help, and so they're
asking people to take a look at this photo.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Maybe the person recognizes himself.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Maybe someone says, hey, that's my brother, my boyfriend, my son, whatever,
so that they can talk to him to see if
he remembers anything distinguishing about the person of interest. They
think he may have even had a small conversation with
the person of interest. They don't know, but it's it's
at that point now where they're begging to find somebody
who might know something about the person they're actually looking for.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
The shooter may be the most wanted man in America
right now. This other person might be the second most wanted,
not for a crime. Let's be clear here. They do
not believe this other person is any way connected to
the shooting, at least that's what they're telling us right now.
But they say there is some interaction that they belie
took place between the shooter and this person to where
(03:04):
they're putting out this alert robes. I've never quite seen
anything like this. They focused more in this press conference
on this bystander than they did on the actual shooter, because.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
They don't have any information on the shooter. The shooter
was wearing all black mask. The shooter had a mask
over his face, like a black COVID like mask. You
cannot tell what his face looks like. You just can't.
So they've been forced to say he's stocky, he has
a strange walking gait. But other than that, that depicts
(03:35):
what so many people that there's no way you can
even narrow down your search with the limited information they
have on this person of interest. And it was very
clear in this press conference that they're desperate. This is
day five, This is the fifth day of the manhunt
for this Brown University shooter, and they have already brought
(03:55):
in two persons of interest and released them. They errant
and he said they had the guy twice now and
have had to take it back. And now it seems
as though they're back to square one, like they're literally
saying what else can we do?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And every investigator, an analyst you will see on TV
or giving you any opinion, will tell you that first
where they lost twenty four hours, they had somebody in custody.
That means we think we got our guy, so we're
not out there searching for any So in all of
this time, you're looking in the wrong direction. All your
(04:31):
resources went to the wrong place. So in losing that time,
you remember when the mayor came out, this was one
of the most chilling things I've still heard in this investigation.
We don't know if he's left the state, We don't
even know if he's in the state or not. Now
I don't know if that's still the case, but it
certainly seems like it robes. They are desperate to find
this individual, did they. I didn't hear a description necessarily.
(04:54):
They have the picture up there, which you can't tell
that much, but you can at least see his face.
If you know him, you would recognize him.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Obviously, he looks like any other guy, brown hair, you
know what, in his twenties or thirties, kind of indistinguishable.
But obviously if that's someone who you know or who
you love, you will recognize him. But it is very
telling that that's where they are in this investigation on
day five. There's a reason why that show, that investigative
show I think it's on CBS, is called forty eight
hours because they say the first forty eight it's everything.
(05:25):
We're on day five, they're asking for help to recognize
a guy on a street who might have seen the
guy on the street.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And the other thing, they're desperate and asking for the
public's help. Now, they put out some other video that
was an initial video you just saw from the back
walking around this sidewalk. That was the first one they
put out. But in recent days, yesterday for sure, they
put out more videos that they had collected from people's homes.
You know, everybody has those ring cams or whatever. There's
(05:51):
surveillance everywhere, and they pieced together that this guy had
actually been in the area from ten am the shooting
was at four, so he was casing the area. Again
another telling piece here, they're asking people in a particular area.
They put up a map right showing the neighborhood in
this certain square block area. If you live here, we
are asking you to go check every camera you might have,
(06:16):
and they even say it robes. If you don't know
how to work it, call us. We will send an
officer over to help. He actually said that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It was a press conference of asking for help, yes,
and then explaining that they don't know anything. I mean,
they weren't even a position to say whether or not
the weapon used in this mass shooting was a long
gun or not. They didn't want people to get that
in their heads if they know somebody and thought, oh, well,
he doesn't have a long gun.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
He has a different gun. Whatever they were, but it.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Was it almost became it was you just thought, these
poor folks standing out there trying to give information and
they're literally telling us they have no information and begging
us for information. It was a reverse press conference. Can
you give us information? And because we have none to
give to you.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
And again that's what that's an important investigative tool, is
it not you ask for the public's health. Something that's
that helped this high profile Surely, I don't know. It
might not be long. Somebody's gonna recognize this guy and
then well we'll see what happens. But robes these high,
high high profile cases, you know, they are absolutely freaking
(07:22):
out right now. They have a whole community and fear.
We don't know who this guy was or what the
motivation was, So you can't tell me for sure he's
not going to go do more harm somewhere.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You can't see that, can't say that at all. You
don't even know why he walked into that. They know
he was there for a while now, casing out the campus,
trying to figure out how, when, where, and who he
was going to shoot, But they don't know why he
did it. They don't know where he's headed next, They
don't know if he still has some sort of an
ax to grind with anyone else if he's planning more mayhem.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
They literally have no idea.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Now it's interesting with all of that non information, you
had a very positive Rhode Island Attorney general. He was
being very optimistic. He was like, we're going to crack
this case. When we crack it, it's going to open
really quickly. So it's almost like he was convincing himself
that they were going to crack the case.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
But this is the guy who's been very frustrated, yes,
with answers, excuse me, with questions that have come his
way that they simply cannot answer. And look, I know
the scrutiny right now, but this is one you have
got to be What are you say, even if you
cannot solve all the problems, the leader of that community,
the mayor, somebody needs to step out and exude confidence
and comfort. And when they come out and yeah, guys
(08:33):
like even the way they start to speak, I am
not and I'm sorry if this sounds critical, but what's
happened now does not make a frightened community feel better.
We watch this press conference today and you did not
feel confidence in what's happening. Not to say they're doing
(08:54):
a bad job, but for where the investigation is. Nothing
about it today made you feel good.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
And the problem is the misinformation that was released immediately
following the shooting, where people actually were breathing that sigh
of relief, did feel like they were safe. So now
that trust has been completely eroded, and so you cannot
tell me that I'm safe. He was actually the mayor
of Brett Smiley is his name. He was urging members
of his community and his city to continue to go
(09:22):
about their business, to go to work, to take your
kids to school, to go holiday shopping. I actually hadn't
even considered that there's a gunman on the loose. Do
you really feel comfortable sending your kids to school? I
didn't even realize. I bet you a lot of parents
have kept their kids home from school. I bet a
lot of parents have decided not to go to work
until this is figured out. And he's asking members of
(09:45):
his community to trust them that they've got this, that
they're on it, that all resources are being dedicated to it.
To please not let fear cripple this community.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
What happened how you said that's sending their kids to school.
You talk about community, that the local community. What if
he's not caught. What do parents think about seeing their
kids back to Brown in Jane.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
There's absolutely no way I would because I'm actually I'm
imagining myself as you know, I have a college student
and she is I've been concerned there. I've been issues
at Boulder, not while she was there, not while she
was on campus. But if there was an active shooter
on the run, a man hunt underway, you think I
want to send my kid back to that campus.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Wow, I didn't think about that. And again, that seems
like a long ways away, and we say, surely is
going to be caught. And I was thinking about the
other one to make comparison, because it felt like forever
to catch the suspect in the Charlie kirkshooting that was
thirty three hours.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Yeah, this is the fifth day.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That was a day and a half, Todd, And that felt.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Like for it did You're right? It did feel like
a long time, and.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Somebody was in custody and then got released. This kind
of thing that was Cash Betel. Well stay with us here, folks,
because Cash Hotel is in the middle of this one again,
and the investigators in Rhode Island are saying he is
not helping at all. Plus, we have an update. We
got one today about how the victims in the hospital
(11:14):
are doing and it is a positive one. Stay here
all right, folks, We continue here on Amy and TJ.
Breaking developments today in the Brown University shooting. That breaking
development is that they are searching for somebody else that
(11:36):
somebody else just happens to not be a suspect, but
someone they believe may have interacted with the suspects. And again, Robes,
the point here is that they are desperate for leads.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
They're looking for anything to point them in the direction
of who this shooter may be. They don't have a description,
they don't have any facial details, they have nothing to
go on.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
You say, no description, but I'm not putting you on
the stocky. I'm about to say, what's the one thing
we know about stocky?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
They keep telling and you just described most men in America.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
A middle aged men would be a little stocky. Would
they not look up on TV? Just somebody happened to
be up as stocky fella like to your prea, that's
a stocky. Okay, We move forward here, folks. That with
the case here what we were saying, cash, but tell
I mentioned a moment ago, we all know what happened
(12:32):
with the shooting of Charlie Kirk. He flat out made
an announcement that they had this shooter in custody, right,
you remember all this?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, And I understand there's a rush to say we
got them, we got our guy. We want we want
not only do we want the public to be redecigh
relief and not be worried about it, but also we
want to say.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
We did our job. You got to be right, You
think he would have learned from his past mistake.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
When you say it like that. And this isn't us
but the Rhode Island. It was the Attorney General who
was very critical in an inner of cash Betel putting
out a tweet in which he was talking about the
FBI's role in capturing this suspect. But yes, announcing suspect
does in custody and the FBI helped in this, but
da essentially celebrating their role. He said that, and they
(13:16):
knew immediately, at least the investigators on the ground that
this was not the case.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And like, oh my god, what is he doing?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And he made a point, the Attorney General to take
a couple of shots saying, basically saying that Cashptel does
not have any sort of experience in policing and investigations,
and it if you had experience, you would never have
put out a tweet like that.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And as soon as it was a dig, it was
and it was unnecessary and you don't we don't need
that right now.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
I would think they wouldn't want that right now.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You don't want to be at war or start a
fight or pick a fight with the FBI director when
you are a little busy right now and you kind
of need their help.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Let's be honest to find this guy.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
But when he said it, he can, he's pissed.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
He was angry, like there.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Is so much scrutiny, an intense scrutiny and attention on
these folks, the mayor, that police chief, the attorney general
now and now the FBI, everybody, and to think. And again,
as soon as he said we were watching him at
that clip, I said, oh, yeah, he's a democrat. Sure nough,
I'm looking at he's a democrat. I mean, obviously that
was pretty obvious. But we don't need that right now.
(14:25):
We have got to see them, and I hope we
see them standing next to each other in the press
conference very soon, and quite frankly, I would love if
literally their arms were around each other because this is
an awful story and we need these folks who are
leading an investigation. We need to feel like they're getting.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Along and they just need to work together.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And if you, if you, if you ratchet up the
tension like that because you're angry in the moment, I
wonder if he regrets that because you can't unsay it,
and he said it publicly.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
It's one thing to say it to his face.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
It's one thing to say it to him even in private,
but to put it out there on national television and
absolutely deliberately take a shot at cash Hotel. Not that
he wasn't right, and you can be right and you
can be correct, but it still might not be your
best move when you need to have all the help
(15:11):
you can get trying to catch this guy.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
So now to that robes here, we are what happens
now when word leaks out and sources say or Cash
Battel can put out another tweet and we would go
get another source. That's a problem of his making, nobody else's.
But if you can't trust they talk all the time
about who you can trust and fake news and trusting
(15:36):
what's put out. The head of the FBI, on two
now of potentially highest profile murder cases in this country
this year, has told us something that was one hundred
percent wrong. That's a problem. And we've talked about this.
Look and again, this has nothing to do with politics.
We're just looking at this from a journalism standpoint. I've
(15:57):
never have you ever known s well the need to
get a second source or to verify something that came
from the White House, from whoever whomever in the administration,
and that has been the case. But these are this
is not a fact check. Well, oh the President said this,
but if you go back in history, if you look
at this and no, no, no, he was wrong. No, no, no,
these are are are they are the source we if
(16:21):
the FBI director tells me somebody's arrested, who am I
supposed to go check with? I'm saying these are the
ultimate sources. And you have to pause. This is a
for that community robes. Where is this guy?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Who is this guy?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
How about the probitus right now? How would you be feeling?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
I would feel very concerned.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Look, the only thing I can can relate to is.
I was living in Washington, d C. And was a
reporter when the Cereal snipers were out. Let me tell
you we lived in fear for three weeks. People zigzagged
to the grocery store, people crouched down when gassing their car.
It's really scary when you know someone who's been willing
(17:01):
to kill at random and is still on the run.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
That is scary.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
But doing that right, we knew that DC killer was
out there picking people off, and wow, where's going to
be the next one? We don't necessarily have that feeling here,
but to a degree, it's scarier because we have zero
clue what this person's up to.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Is he going to strike again? Is he going to
walk into a movie theater? Is he going to walk
into a school? Is he going to walk into any
holiday event where you think you can go with your
family safely and enjoy this time of year.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
All of that is now scary.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And was there a target? Why Brown? Why that classroom?
If he was there for that long, it's looked like
he was looking for an opportunity instead of looking for
that classroom. But who knows?
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And if he got away with it, If he gets
away with it, will he feel emboldened to do it again.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And we're looking up on the screen here it's still
at this It is really scary to think that somebody
was floating around, walking around for a six hours looking
for possibly an opportunity to kill folks we jumped on
here today. This has been a fast movie, a breaking
news day on a lot of fronts. We remind you
again top right corner of that Apple podcast app where
you see our show as a button there that says
(18:14):
follow click that you can continue to get our updates.
The one positive update we saved here for the end
robes is at least to hear it sounds like just
about everybody in the hospital is doing.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
Bet better exactly.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So we heard from the mayor that they only now
have one survivor who's still in critical but stable condition.
Five others are now have been upgraded to stable condition,
and that means the other three have already been released
from the hospital. So the mayor said he actually directly
spoke to the parents of these students, and they all
sounded upbeat and optimistic that their kids were going to
(18:50):
pull through and be okay, and that, of course is
the best news of all.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Of course, the two students who died. They recognize them.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
There were memorials for these two students that we've seen,
their pictures, their faces. It is incredibly sad and heartbreaking,
but it is good to hear that the others who
were injured are all looking like they are going to
survive and hopefully be out of the hospital sooner rather
than later. We will continue to follow any developments in
this story, and certainly there have been quite a few,
(19:19):
so we appreciate you for listening.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
I Ami Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
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