Apple TV has postponed its newest series, 5 years in the making, but has given no official explanation and no timeline for when it will air, if ever. “The Savant” is a series about an undercover agent (Jessica Chastain) who prevents extremist attacks, with scenes reportedly reminiscent of the Charlie Kirk assassination.
Apple’s abrupt decision to postpone the series has the show’s executive producer and star, Jessica Chastain, taking to social media to say she is “not aligned” with Apple’s decision.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Tonight was supposed to be a really big night for
Apple TV. This was supposed to be the big debut
of a series five years in the making, The Savant,
starring Jessica Chastain. But Apple TV made the last minute
decision this week to postpone the debut of The Savant.
But it wouldn't publicly elaborate on the why. We're going
(00:22):
to read their official statement shortly, but the series star
Jessica Chastain is talking and she says this she is
not aligned with Apple in its decision and will tell
you why. It is Friday, September twenty sixth. Welcome to
this edition of Amy and TJTJ. This was supposed to
be a night. Can you imagine working on a project.
She's not only starring in it, but she's the executive
(00:43):
producer of it. She's proud of it. She's actually done
a publicity tour over the last couple of weeks promoting
The Savant, and then to be told by Apple TV, sorry,
indefinitely postponed.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
For what you would want to ask and then you
don't get a good answer. Lell me some Jesic Chestine,
love me some Jessica Chesta. She is as solid and
awesome as they get. And you think about rogues, all
these a lot of these acts. Look, we see the
finished product, but these things are years and years in development.
(01:17):
You said five, But to think you're up to this
final moment and it gets pulled. The reasons are they official?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, I will read Apple's statement. How about that? Here
is Apple's official statement. This is all they gave us.
After careful consideration, we have made the decision to postpone
The Savant. We appreciate your understanding and look forward to
releasing the series at a future date. End quote that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Is being interpreted by many as we scared the death
of Donald Trump and we don't even want to try it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So it does take some explanation, but it is a
matter of another corporate giant seemingly making a business decision
because they just don't want to test the waters in
this certain kind of question.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Correct. So, if you want to know, here's the storyline,
and this will fill in the this will connect the
dots or fill in the gaps for you from what
Apple didn't say. Here's the storyline of The Savant. It
follows an undercover investigator known as the Savant and that
is Jessica Chestain's character. She her character infiltrates online hate
groups to stop domestic extremists before they act. So it's
(02:27):
about preventing extremist attacks and what the concern is. Folks
who know and are familiar with the series say some
of the imagery could be considered triggering in the wake
of the assassination of Charlie Kirk because the series includes
a sniper and the bombing of a government building, among
other acts of violence. So everyone is saying that apple.
(02:51):
So here's you could look at it a couple different ways.
This is another example of a company making a decision
about content in light of the Charlie Kirk assassen and
that could be viewed as respectful, as a deliberate attempt
to let some of the heated emotions surrounding Kirk's death soften.
And that's for releasing the series. Yes, that's what ABC
said they did. That was part of their reasoning for
(03:11):
taking Kimmel off the air. They say it was because
they didn't want to further inflame an already tense political situation.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You said that's one way to look at Do you
buy that? I mean, that's actually quite reasonable.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I do think that that is part of the consideration.
The other way to view it is that this is
a company fearful of stepping into it, of stepping into
the political firestorm and then getting backlash, whether it be
from the Trump administration, from people who feel like that
might be Again, here you have a certain part of
(03:42):
the liberal e lead or the media or Hollywood now
fanning the flames of this and inspiring other would be antagonists,
and so that's the fear.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So the suggestion would be that if they are highlighting
hate groups on this show in all likely or do
we even know they're not probably going to be left
leaning hate group domestic terrorists, is.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That we don't know what the creative I don't know.
Here's what I do know. The Savant is based on
a Cosmo article. So this happened in Cosmopolitan magazine in
twenty nineteen, and the article's title was is it possible
to stop a mass shooting before it happens? That article
sparked this series and the idea behind it about the
(04:27):
investigators who are working behind the scenes to stop these
sorts of acts that unfortunately we've been seeing more and
more of it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I was curious about the show because the lady who
was a part of that article was considered a savant,
if you will, and that she could identify right, she
could see certain language and language that was used hate language,
which is a lot out there, but she could tell
which ones would be taken and used and turned into violence.
And she had a knack for doing this. So that's
(04:55):
what the show was supposed to be about. I think,
given where we are, should we just are we not
supposed to see? It's whose fault is it that this
is timely? It should never be timely? But it is
right now right?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And by the way, here's another interesting tidbit. This isn't
the first time Apple has postponed the series. Did you
know that?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It was, Sally? Yeah, the date was even that. Does
that make sense? They were supposed to have it on
September twelfth, twelfth?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes, makes so. The show was supposed to debut on
September twelfth, but Apple decided to push back the release
date so that it wouldn't be so close to September eleventh.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Is that legit as well?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Does that look at a certain point? You know, I
just look, I'm not an executive who knows how or
why to make these types of decision. But just as
a viewer, I would actually think, maybe call me crazy,
I would actually think it would be timely too, have
it be around a date. Not that you would do
it deliberately, but if that's just where it worked out,
(05:55):
you would kind of say. I would say, hey, this
is on people's minds. This has been going on for
twenty plus years and more. But this is a timely Unfortunately,
as you pointed out, unfortunately timely series that actually could
be interesting, informative and compelling for audiences to watch because
(06:16):
we're living in it, We're in the thick of it.
We've been dealing with this, so let's talk about what
people are doing behind the scenes, of course in a
fictionalized setting, but with some real life elements to it.
I think it'd be fascinating and timely.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But have we gotten too hot that we can't do anything,
Like you can't tell a story because you know what's
going to come and the criticism that's going to come,
and now it is. Look, nobody was paying attention to
Jimmy Kimmel on that Monday night until somebody pointed it
out to the SEC chair who decides to open his mouth,
like you're nervous as a as a corporate executive. Look
at what the hell is happening to Disney and Stockburn.
(06:49):
How much money has been lost all over late night
comedy and jokes and content and entertainment, which is what
this was going to be. Is this just where we
are okay with the sensitive part you talk about September eleventh,
September twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
You know, I just say, hey, just push it back
a week.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Maybe I'm okay just to be maybe sensitive to some
family members. I'm okay with that. This other thing now
is just because I haven't. I don't. Even when some
people are explaining it to me, it still doesn't make
you know what I need to see it. And then
I'll go, wait ooh is his heavy?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Or I might go wait, well, it shows star and
executive producer has now publicly disagreed with Apple's decision. And look,
it is a slippery slope, and it's a frightening one
to think that now we're so concerned or afraid of
upsetting someone or pissing someone off. And I'm not just
talking about President Trump and the administration, but just anyone
(07:44):
at this point that we're afraid to put out valuable,
potentially valuable interesting entertainment or products because we don't want
to upset a certain segment of the population. And I
think that is a very frightening precedent to set that. Now,
that's where we are where now creatively we can't do
(08:05):
or say things because it might get us canceled.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
This is the one what would we normally do. I mean,
it happened with Jimmy Kimmel as well. But if somebody
doesn't like what's going on on a network or streaming service,
you could just not watch it. That's not enough anymore.
It's not enough that you don't watch it, you actually
don't want anybody else to watch it either. And now
there are campaigns and social media campaigns where they're trying
(08:34):
to get people fired, things taken down, people getting docked.
It's different from just voting with your remote and not watching.
You have to worry about a mob coming after you
on social media and trying to take down your company.
People have the right to do that, but it just
seems like our first reaction to everything is outraged. That's
(08:57):
the only emotion we have.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
And then when that outrage is empowered the way it
has been and it has actual real life impact, then
you're just Now It's just like when you're a parent
and your child misbehaves. If you cater to that, they're
just going to learn that if I shout louder and
I stomp my feet more, I'll get what I want.
That is what we are doing creatively, or at least
(09:23):
a lot of organizations and companies are making a choice
to do that so that they might maybe stop the
bleeding initially. But what's the cost, what's dying in the
process of it all. That's the thing that scares me
about where we all see things headed and the direction
companies are going in. They're making financial decisions and they're
(09:45):
they're protecting themselves instead of defending their product.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Good going on, Jessica Chastain, Like I said, I absolutely
love what was the one she It was the Oscar,
It was the Oscars we were at. She played a tem.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh yes she was. I think she did win.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, just that was. I just adore this woman in
her acting and everything about her. But I gave her
credit Robes. I thought the statement she put out nailed it.
It wasn't nasty. She made a very respectful and reasonable
argument and she didn't dog Apple obviously, but to hear
her like, oh, that makes sense, Apple just doesn't make
(10:25):
sense to me yet because they haven't.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Said enough, and by their lack of words and by
not saying very much, if anything at all, that's where
to me the problem lies, because it's so ambiguous, it's
so vague. Again, there's a protection in this statement they
made to protect themselves, and that makes them not look transparent,
it doesn't. It makes people then try to read between
(10:49):
the lines and fill in the void, and that's where
the problems start and a lot of finger pointing begins.
So when we come back, we are going to read
for you Jessica Chastain's Instagram post that man, she nailed.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
All right, folks. Continuing now with Jessica Chastain. She accually
used to I remember, this is why I tell you
I love this one. But she says she loves the
way the French say her name. She's always there. She's
talked about this before. But again, Jessica Chastain had a
new project we're all looking forward to The Savant that
was going to be on Apple TV plus today.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Till the day night they were going to drop two
episodes tonight. That was the scheduled released after an earlier postponement.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
You will not be seeing that tonight, and we don't
know when you might see it because Apple has made
a decision to hold indefinitely that series because of some
of the content could be triggering, giving some of the well,
we saw a political assassination, we saw the ice facility
being targeted. But the show is about a woman who
has a knack for infiltrating hate groups and to in
(11:56):
stopping domestic terrorism, if you will. And again, we don't
know what it might have looked like, how similar any
of those scenes might have been to some of the
stuff we have been seeing in real life. But Apple
has made a decision not to put that out just yet.
Jessica Chastain not.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
A fan, yes, and she made a decision to put
a very as you put it before the break, a
very tasteful, a very appropriate reaction to that. Here is
what Jessica Chastain wrote. I want to say how much
I value my partnership with Apple.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well done to all of you. Let that be a
lesson you always leave with that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
They've been incredible collaborators and I deeply respect their team
bang that said, transition, Yep, I wanted to reach out
and let you know that we're not aligned on the
decision to pause the release of The Savant. In the
last five years since we've been making the show, we've
seen an unfortunate amount of violence in the United States.
(12:49):
The kidnapping attempt on Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, the January
sixth attack on the Capitol, the assassination attempts on President Trump,
the political assassinations of Democratic representatives in Minnesota, the attack
on Speaker Pelosi's husband, the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk,
the recent shooting at an ABC affiliate in California, and
(13:10):
over three hundred school shootings across this country. This was
before the Ice incident. How are markol Is that these incidents,
though far from encompassing the full range of violence witnessed
in the United States, illustrate a broader mindset that crosses
the political spectrum and must be confronted. I've never shied
(13:31):
away from difficult subjects, and while I wish this show
wasn't so relevant, unfortunately it is. The Savant is about
the heroes who work every day to stop violence. Before
it happens, and honoring their courage feels more urgent than ever.
That is such a good point. I got chills reading that.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I don't know who wrote that is so well done.
Even using the word we are not aligned versus I disagree,
that was perfect.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Perfect. She goes on to finish up with this. While
I respect Apple's decision to pause the release for now,
I remain hopeful the show will reach audiences soon. Until then,
I am wishing safety and strength for everyone. And I'll
let you know if and when this evant is released.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
January six, That was twenty twenty What year is that?
Twenty twenty? God, what's this twenty twenty five? It was
twenty twenty one? Is it January twenty twenty one? Okay,
I'm thinking about all the incidents she named happened before
this show was put together, Like all this stuff was done.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's not like they was being put together.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But to think that all of these things happened, they
weren't reacting right. If all these things had happened, they say, hey,
let's do a show about Blank. This stuff was happening
in real time as they're trying to put this show together.
And she lists even a good job. Violence on the left,
violence on all these high profile I.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Forgot about Pelosi's husband. So all of this, I know
that this is the recent I don't want to use
the wrong word, but this is all the recent headlines
coming from the Trump administration that this is all extreme
leftists reaction, and they get very upset if anyone even
possibly says that violence comes from both sides, extremism on
(15:19):
both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
She didn't mention left and right. She just said this incident,
this incident, this incident, and we know and we're familiar
with all of these incidents now, but just that was
well done. What's going to happen? Are we going to
get any more from Apple? Maybe they want this thing
to go away quietly. This is a little different from
the Jimmy Kimmel thing because nobody's seen the show, right, Like,
we don't know. To be mad and say, oh they
(15:40):
took away my favorite show, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But here's the truth. I didn't know about the Savonne.
I hadn't seen any of her promote because I said
she had been promoting it. She went on to the
Drew Barrymore Show. She went on late Night with Seth
Myers when she was making appearances trying to drum up
interest and publicity for this series. Well, guess what now
it is on our radar. It should be on your radar.
But I was saddened to hear her write this if
(16:05):
and when the Savant is released. That has to be
crushing to her to think that that is a possibility
if well.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh, see it eventually maybe, but something like to see
this go away would be a shame just for the
sake of creators. Can we not do anything because of
what the world is? I mean, any movie you watch,
any show you watch, has some imagery that you know,
brings to mind something that's happening in real life in
(16:32):
current times. I don't we get into this habit if
we can't show or current share anything because you might
be offended by the imagery. I mean, this is life
and art.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It feels like self imposed censorship, but done out of
fear versus respect. And look, they can argue, and I'm
not going to tell them that they're wrong, that they're
doing it out of respect and not out of fear. Yes,
but it's hard to believe that that fear part isn't
a part of it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
We should give them credit for that and maybe look,
they've seen the show, they know more than we do,
and maybe this was the right call. The problem and
the difference here between this one and Jimmy Kimmel. What
do you do about it? I mean, you can protest,
you can go outside, you cannot watch Sinclair can pull
it off the air. What do you do to Apple?
What are you gonna do? What are you gonna protest?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I thought Jessica Chastain did the best thing she possibly
could have done. Let people know what's going on, be
respectful to Apple's decision, while still letting people know her
feelings about how important and vital and timely and actually needed.
Perhaps this series is.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Good conversation still in bringing this to our attention, But
this you're not What are you gonna do? You're not
going to boycott Apple? Really go go right now? Boycott Apple.
Put away your phone, your iPod and your laptop. Yes,
we just we can't.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's a massive company with a lot at steak and
they make the decisions based best for their uh I
guess financial bottom line at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But it's not us who can hurt them. It's tear
of happy Trump. What if he decides to start imposing
some kind of terrorists.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
On computer chips, computer chips.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
On phones, on something, They need to give them hell,
they have to think about this now. The President might
get mad at us and make it more difficult for
us to do our jobs. Therefore, we're going to sh
be quiet, and that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That is where we are. But we hope we get
to watch The Savant soon. And believe me, if the
show comes on the air, we will watch. We might
we'll do a podcast on every episode. It's so fascinating.
We love Jessica Chastain that much, love how she handled
this situation, and hope you appreciated hearing about it. And
we will keep our ear to ground on this one.
But thank you for listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy
(18:39):
roboch On, behalf of TJ. Holmes. We will talk to
you real soon.
Tonight was supposed to be a really big night for
Apple TV. This was supposed to be the big debut
of a series five years in the making, The Savant,
starring Jessica Chastain. But Apple TV made the last minute
decision this week to postpone the debut of The Savant.
But it wouldn't publicly elaborate on the why. We're going
(00:22):
to read their official statement shortly, but the series star
Jessica Chastain is talking and she says this she is
not aligned with Apple in its decision and will tell
you why. It is Friday, September twenty sixth. Welcome to
this edition of Amy and TJTJ. This was supposed to
be a night. Can you imagine working on a project.
She's not only starring in it, but she's the executive
(00:43):
producer of it. She's proud of it. She's actually done
a publicity tour over the last couple of weeks promoting
The Savant, and then to be told by Apple TV, sorry,
indefinitely postponed.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
For what you would want to ask and then you
don't get a good answer. Lell me some Jesic Chestine,
love me some Jessica Chesta. She is as solid and
awesome as they get. And you think about rogues, all
these a lot of these acts. Look, we see the
finished product, but these things are years and years in development.
(01:17):
You said five, But to think you're up to this
final moment and it gets pulled. The reasons are they official?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well, I will read Apple's statement. How about that? Here
is Apple's official statement. This is all they gave us.
After careful consideration, we have made the decision to postpone
The Savant. We appreciate your understanding and look forward to
releasing the series at a future date. End quote that.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Is being interpreted by many as we scared the death
of Donald Trump and we don't even want to try it.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
So it does take some explanation, but it is a
matter of another corporate giant seemingly making a business decision
because they just don't want to test the waters in
this certain kind of question.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Correct. So, if you want to know, here's the storyline,
and this will fill in the this will connect the
dots or fill in the gaps for you from what
Apple didn't say. Here's the storyline of The Savant. It
follows an undercover investigator known as the Savant and that
is Jessica Chestain's character. She her character infiltrates online hate
groups to stop domestic extremists before they act. So it's
(02:27):
about preventing extremist attacks and what the concern is. Folks
who know and are familiar with the series say some
of the imagery could be considered triggering in the wake
of the assassination of Charlie Kirk because the series includes
a sniper and the bombing of a government building, among
other acts of violence. So everyone is saying that apple.
(02:51):
So here's you could look at it a couple different ways.
This is another example of a company making a decision
about content in light of the Charlie Kirk assassen and
that could be viewed as respectful, as a deliberate attempt
to let some of the heated emotions surrounding Kirk's death soften.
And that's for releasing the series. Yes, that's what ABC
said they did. That was part of their reasoning for
(03:11):
taking Kimmel off the air. They say it was because
they didn't want to further inflame an already tense political situation.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
You said that's one way to look at Do you
buy that? I mean, that's actually quite reasonable.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I do think that that is part of the consideration.
The other way to view it is that this is
a company fearful of stepping into it, of stepping into
the political firestorm and then getting backlash, whether it be
from the Trump administration, from people who feel like that
might be Again, here you have a certain part of
(03:42):
the liberal e lead or the media or Hollywood now
fanning the flames of this and inspiring other would be antagonists,
and so that's the fear.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So the suggestion would be that if they are highlighting
hate groups on this show in all likely or do
we even know they're not probably going to be left
leaning hate group domestic terrorists, is.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That we don't know what the creative I don't know.
Here's what I do know. The Savant is based on
a Cosmo article. So this happened in Cosmopolitan magazine in
twenty nineteen, and the article's title was is it possible
to stop a mass shooting before it happens? That article
sparked this series and the idea behind it about the
(04:27):
investigators who are working behind the scenes to stop these
sorts of acts that unfortunately we've been seeing more and
more of it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I was curious about the show because the lady who
was a part of that article was considered a savant,
if you will, and that she could identify right, she
could see certain language and language that was used hate language,
which is a lot out there, but she could tell
which ones would be taken and used and turned into violence.
And she had a knack for doing this. So that's
(04:55):
what the show was supposed to be about. I think,
given where we are, should we just are we not
supposed to see? It's whose fault is it that this
is timely? It should never be timely? But it is
right now right?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And by the way, here's another interesting tidbit. This isn't
the first time Apple has postponed the series. Did you
know that?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It was, Sally? Yeah, the date was even that. Does
that make sense? They were supposed to have it on
September twelfth, twelfth?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yes, makes so. The show was supposed to debut on
September twelfth, but Apple decided to push back the release
date so that it wouldn't be so close to September eleventh.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Is that legit as well?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Does that look at a certain point? You know, I
just look, I'm not an executive who knows how or
why to make these types of decision. But just as
a viewer, I would actually think, maybe call me crazy,
I would actually think it would be timely too, have
it be around a date. Not that you would do
it deliberately, but if that's just where it worked out,
(05:55):
you would kind of say. I would say, hey, this
is on people's minds. This has been going on for
twenty plus years and more. But this is a timely Unfortunately,
as you pointed out, unfortunately timely series that actually could
be interesting, informative and compelling for audiences to watch because
(06:16):
we're living in it, We're in the thick of it.
We've been dealing with this, so let's talk about what
people are doing behind the scenes, of course in a
fictionalized setting, but with some real life elements to it.
I think it'd be fascinating and timely.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
But have we gotten too hot that we can't do anything,
Like you can't tell a story because you know what's
going to come and the criticism that's going to come,
and now it is. Look, nobody was paying attention to
Jimmy Kimmel on that Monday night until somebody pointed it
out to the SEC chair who decides to open his mouth,
like you're nervous as a as a corporate executive. Look
at what the hell is happening to Disney and Stockburn.
(06:49):
How much money has been lost all over late night
comedy and jokes and content and entertainment, which is what
this was going to be. Is this just where we
are okay with the sensitive part you talk about September eleventh,
September twelve.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
You know, I just say, hey, just push it back
a week.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Maybe I'm okay just to be maybe sensitive to some
family members. I'm okay with that. This other thing now
is just because I haven't. I don't. Even when some
people are explaining it to me, it still doesn't make
you know what I need to see it. And then
I'll go, wait ooh is his heavy?
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Or I might go wait, well, it shows star and
executive producer has now publicly disagreed with Apple's decision. And look,
it is a slippery slope, and it's a frightening one
to think that now we're so concerned or afraid of
upsetting someone or pissing someone off. And I'm not just
talking about President Trump and the administration, but just anyone
(07:44):
at this point that we're afraid to put out valuable,
potentially valuable interesting entertainment or products because we don't want
to upset a certain segment of the population. And I
think that is a very frightening precedent to set that. Now,
that's where we are where now creatively we can't do
(08:05):
or say things because it might get us canceled.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
This is the one what would we normally do. I mean,
it happened with Jimmy Kimmel as well. But if somebody
doesn't like what's going on on a network or streaming service,
you could just not watch it. That's not enough anymore.
It's not enough that you don't watch it, you actually
don't want anybody else to watch it either. And now
there are campaigns and social media campaigns where they're trying
(08:34):
to get people fired, things taken down, people getting docked.
It's different from just voting with your remote and not watching.
You have to worry about a mob coming after you
on social media and trying to take down your company.
People have the right to do that, but it just
seems like our first reaction to everything is outraged. That's
(08:57):
the only emotion we have.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
And then when that outrage is empowered the way it
has been and it has actual real life impact, then
you're just Now It's just like when you're a parent
and your child misbehaves. If you cater to that, they're
just going to learn that if I shout louder and
I stomp my feet more, I'll get what I want.
That is what we are doing creatively, or at least
(09:23):
a lot of organizations and companies are making a choice
to do that so that they might maybe stop the
bleeding initially. But what's the cost, what's dying in the
process of it all. That's the thing that scares me
about where we all see things headed and the direction
companies are going in. They're making financial decisions and they're
(09:45):
they're protecting themselves instead of defending their product.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Good going on, Jessica Chastain, Like I said, I absolutely
love what was the one she It was the Oscar,
It was the Oscars we were at. She played a tem.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Oh yes she was. I think she did win.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, just that was. I just adore this woman in
her acting and everything about her. But I gave her
credit Robes. I thought the statement she put out nailed it.
It wasn't nasty. She made a very respectful and reasonable
argument and she didn't dog Apple obviously, but to hear
her like, oh, that makes sense, Apple just doesn't make
(10:25):
sense to me yet because they haven't.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Said enough, and by their lack of words and by
not saying very much, if anything at all, that's where
to me the problem lies, because it's so ambiguous, it's
so vague. Again, there's a protection in this statement they
made to protect themselves, and that makes them not look transparent,
it doesn't. It makes people then try to read between
(10:49):
the lines and fill in the void, and that's where
the problems start and a lot of finger pointing begins.
So when we come back, we are going to read
for you Jessica Chastain's Instagram post that man, she nailed.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
All right, folks. Continuing now with Jessica Chastain. She accually
used to I remember, this is why I tell you
I love this one. But she says she loves the
way the French say her name. She's always there. She's
talked about this before. But again, Jessica Chastain had a
new project we're all looking forward to The Savant that
was going to be on Apple TV plus today.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Till the day night they were going to drop two
episodes tonight. That was the scheduled released after an earlier postponement.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
You will not be seeing that tonight, and we don't
know when you might see it because Apple has made
a decision to hold indefinitely that series because of some
of the content could be triggering, giving some of the well,
we saw a political assassination, we saw the ice facility
being targeted. But the show is about a woman who
has a knack for infiltrating hate groups and to in
(11:56):
stopping domestic terrorism, if you will. And again, we don't
know what it might have looked like, how similar any
of those scenes might have been to some of the
stuff we have been seeing in real life. But Apple
has made a decision not to put that out just yet.
Jessica Chastain not.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
A fan, yes, and she made a decision to put
a very as you put it before the break, a
very tasteful, a very appropriate reaction to that. Here is
what Jessica Chastain wrote. I want to say how much
I value my partnership with Apple.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Well done to all of you. Let that be a
lesson you always leave with that.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
They've been incredible collaborators and I deeply respect their team
bang that said, transition, Yep, I wanted to reach out
and let you know that we're not aligned on the
decision to pause the release of The Savant. In the
last five years since we've been making the show, we've
seen an unfortunate amount of violence in the United States.
(12:49):
The kidnapping attempt on Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, the January
sixth attack on the Capitol, the assassination attempts on President Trump,
the political assassinations of Democratic representatives in Minnesota, the attack
on Speaker Pelosi's husband, the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk,
the recent shooting at an ABC affiliate in California, and
(13:10):
over three hundred school shootings across this country. This was
before the Ice incident. How are markol Is that these incidents,
though far from encompassing the full range of violence witnessed
in the United States, illustrate a broader mindset that crosses
the political spectrum and must be confronted. I've never shied
(13:31):
away from difficult subjects, and while I wish this show
wasn't so relevant, unfortunately it is. The Savant is about
the heroes who work every day to stop violence. Before
it happens, and honoring their courage feels more urgent than ever.
That is such a good point. I got chills reading that.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I don't know who wrote that is so well done.
Even using the word we are not aligned versus I disagree,
that was perfect.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Perfect. She goes on to finish up with this. While
I respect Apple's decision to pause the release for now,
I remain hopeful the show will reach audiences soon. Until then,
I am wishing safety and strength for everyone. And I'll
let you know if and when this evant is released.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
January six, That was twenty twenty What year is that?
Twenty twenty? God, what's this twenty twenty five? It was
twenty twenty one? Is it January twenty twenty one? Okay,
I'm thinking about all the incidents she named happened before
this show was put together, Like all this stuff was done.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
It's not like they was being put together.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But to think that all of these things happened, they
weren't reacting right. If all these things had happened, they say, hey,
let's do a show about Blank. This stuff was happening
in real time as they're trying to put this show together.
And she lists even a good job. Violence on the left,
violence on all these high profile I.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Forgot about Pelosi's husband. So all of this, I know
that this is the recent I don't want to use
the wrong word, but this is all the recent headlines
coming from the Trump administration that this is all extreme
leftists reaction, and they get very upset if anyone even
possibly says that violence comes from both sides, extremism on
(15:19):
both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
She didn't mention left and right. She just said this incident,
this incident, this incident, and we know and we're familiar
with all of these incidents now, but just that was
well done. What's going to happen? Are we going to
get any more from Apple? Maybe they want this thing
to go away quietly. This is a little different from
the Jimmy Kimmel thing because nobody's seen the show, right, Like,
we don't know. To be mad and say, oh they
(15:40):
took away my favorite show, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
But here's the truth. I didn't know about the Savonne.
I hadn't seen any of her promote because I said
she had been promoting it. She went on to the
Drew Barrymore Show. She went on late Night with Seth
Myers when she was making appearances trying to drum up
interest and publicity for this series. Well, guess what now
it is on our radar. It should be on your radar.
But I was saddened to hear her write this if
(16:05):
and when the Savant is released. That has to be
crushing to her to think that that is a possibility
if well.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh, see it eventually maybe, but something like to see
this go away would be a shame just for the
sake of creators. Can we not do anything because of
what the world is? I mean, any movie you watch,
any show you watch, has some imagery that you know,
brings to mind something that's happening in real life in
(16:32):
current times. I don't we get into this habit if
we can't show or current share anything because you might
be offended by the imagery. I mean, this is life
and art.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
It feels like self imposed censorship, but done out of
fear versus respect. And look, they can argue, and I'm
not going to tell them that they're wrong, that they're
doing it out of respect and not out of fear. Yes,
but it's hard to believe that that fear part isn't
a part of it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
We should give them credit for that and maybe look,
they've seen the show, they know more than we do,
and maybe this was the right call. The problem and
the difference here between this one and Jimmy Kimmel. What
do you do about it? I mean, you can protest,
you can go outside, you cannot watch Sinclair can pull
it off the air. What do you do to Apple?
What are you gonna do? What are you gonna protest?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I thought Jessica Chastain did the best thing she possibly
could have done. Let people know what's going on, be
respectful to Apple's decision, while still letting people know her
feelings about how important and vital and timely and actually needed.
Perhaps this series is.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Good conversation still in bringing this to our attention, But
this you're not What are you gonna do? You're not
going to boycott Apple? Really go go right now? Boycott Apple.
Put away your phone, your iPod and your laptop. Yes,
we just we can't.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's a massive company with a lot at steak and
they make the decisions based best for their uh I
guess financial bottom line at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
But it's not us who can hurt them. It's tear
of happy Trump. What if he decides to start imposing
some kind of terrorists.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
On computer chips, computer chips.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
On phones, on something, They need to give them hell,
they have to think about this now. The President might
get mad at us and make it more difficult for
us to do our jobs. Therefore, we're going to sh
be quiet, and that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
That is where we are. But we hope we get
to watch The Savant soon. And believe me, if the
show comes on the air, we will watch. We might
we'll do a podcast on every episode. It's so fascinating.
We love Jessica Chastain that much, love how she handled
this situation, and hope you appreciated hearing about it. And
we will keep our ear to ground on this one.
But thank you for listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy
(18:39):
roboch On, behalf of TJ. Holmes. We will talk to
you real soon.
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