April 28, 2025 • 21 mins
… and other relationship headlines this week. Amy & T.J. go from George and Amal Clooney maintaining they’ve never fought after 10 years of marriage to Bill Bilicheck’s interview with CBS news interrupted by his 24 year old girlfriend to the “apartner” relationship trend where couples live apart, to stay together.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hey, the folks. In this episode a couple that has
been married ten years but claims they have never ever fought,
not once. Also, have you heard of this new concept
a partners as people who voluntarily live apart from their
significant other? And how much of an age gap is
(00:24):
too great of an age gap when it comes to dating.
Those are just a few of the relationship related headlines
that had us and everybody else talking the past week.
Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rowl. Let's
start with that, ca can you is there a blanket
just there is an age gap that you just shouldn't
be dating. Is there a general rule or should we
(00:46):
all just it should go out the window and you
just do your thing.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, I at this stage in my life am
not here to tell anybody else what they should or
shouldn't do. I think, you know, what, if your soul
falls in love with another person's soul, good for you.
But I do think that it's significantly more challenging to
have somebody who has a big age gap. But I think, look,
you have met people who are older who who read younger.
(01:13):
They just have different energy, And then you have younger
folks who have older energy. So I do think sometimes
you can. The age is just a number, and it's
more about how you live your life, how you operate,
and the activity level you're willing to.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So forty nine year age gap can work.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I wouldn't want to tell somebody it couldn't, but it
wouldn't be for me.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, say what you say? Where we're going here? Bill
Belichick Hall of Fame coach, Championship winning coach for the
Super Bowl winning coach New England Patriots. He's now the
head coach at North Carolina, but he's been in the
headlines a lot because, yes, he is dating a woman
that is forty nine years his junior.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes, Bill Belichick is seventy three years old. His girlfriend,
Jordan Hudson, is twenty four years old. So that is
a forty nine your age gap.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Should we start with? So what do you think if
you're happy, knock yourself out, if you're not hurting anybody
else and not hurting your self, who is anybody to
say what's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I would be on that side of things. Yes, However,
I think that everybody has to make that decision for themselves.
I just think it's so easy to stand in judgment
of other people. Yes, when if they're happy, why do
you care? Like really white And maybe if you're Bill
Belichick's kids, you might care. You've got a personal reasons
and you're invested in something other than what he's choosing,
(02:31):
and you've got to reason like fine than have your opinion.
But the rest of us, I just think we should
shut up.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, But some were saying, excuse me, I shouldn't say no,
I'm not saying. Some were saying, it's been talking about
a lot here late, that he's been on some red
carpets with her, and he's been out and been out there.
He's not necessarily hiding and being shy about it. But
he did an interview recently with CBS News and the
interview was on tape. I didn't realize it wasn't live,
so it was on tape. It was recorded. Apparently his
(02:56):
girlfriend was sitting off to the side. This was a
one on one between Bill Belichick and the interviewer at CBS,
and he was asked a question about his relationship and right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So the question was they were asking how the two met,
because there are unsubstantiated reports that they met on a
plane back in twenty twenty one. Who knows whatever, But
the question was asked, how did you meet? And Jordan
jumped in. She didn't have a microphone, but from off
to the side she said, we are not talking about this,
(03:27):
and the interview said no, and she went no and
shut it down. Now you and I have both had
I could point to a very big interview where I
actually had something very similar happen where the wife got
upset at the question I was asking her husband and
these were famous folks. She jumped up, yelled at me
and walked out of the room. We made the decision
(03:48):
not to put that in the piece because it wasn't
a part of the interview, and CBS News this actually
CBS Sunday Morning made the choice to leave it in,
which then created a lot of reaction from folks to.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What do you do there? I will take that first.
I didn't know what else they had on tape. I
don't know it for all. It kind have been a
boring interview and they're like, well, this will spice it
up a little bit. Who knows what the decision making was.
Is it a part of this? So he was there
to talk about a book something else.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He's got a new book, The Art of Winning, and
that's why he was sitting down with CBS Sunday Morning
to talk about that and the lessons he learned from
his father.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
But what do you do there as a journalist? It
had nothing to do necessarily with the interview, but it
became a part of the interview. I have a question
for this my interview, E I have a question, and
the answer to that question came from somebody who wasn't
being interviewed. Now, Bill Belichick would have said, you know what,
I'm gonna skip that disrespectfully, I might have left that
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response out. He would just say, you know what, I
want to skip pass on that and moved on. But
to have that type of interruption, now she becomes the story.
Why wasn't that talked about ahead of time? What questions
are we going to ask? Is it a rule violated?
Who knows? I don't know that backstory, But it's hard
when she became a part of the interview voluntarily.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I think that's a decision made on a case
by case basis and in the spirit of the interview.
And if they felt like, for whatever reason, that was
an important part of the interview, and they wanted to
include it. Certainly. Of course they knew that that was
going to make that we're only talking about that interview
because of their decision to leave that part of what
(05:32):
happened off camera. It was on camera, but off to
the side of the camera. They chose to leave it
in and that is why we're talking about it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Could have been uh, I mean, I could have been
a part of the strategy. People are going to be
talking about it. People don't to be buzzing this so
go viral maybe, But yeah, it was a taped piece.
They had every opportunity do not include that at all,
and they chose to do so. But he's not the
only one. Look we look at and talk U seventy
three and twenty four. Yes, yes she was. They've known
(06:00):
each other for several years now. I think they've been
dating for a couple of years, so she was younger.
This idea, now that it's come up in a much
more is much different. Let's make sure we're clear much different.
But also this underlying story of men, older men dating
women that are so much younger, and I'm talking about
the Shannon Sharp story. Now there's a fifty million dollar
(06:23):
lawsuit about sexual assault that's involved. However, there's been criticism
plenty from a lot of big names. Charlemagne and then
this clip from the comedian Monique came up in which
she was telling Shannon, being comedic, but stop messing around
with these young girls.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Okay, yeah, get you an older woman who will make
you some food and take care of you and rub
your feet when you come home. That's what she said
to him. It was quite funny, she warned him. She said,
stop pulling around with all these young girls. It's gonna
come back and bite you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Now. In Shannon's situation, he was fifty four and she
was nineteen when they first met. That again, that's what
I'm I guess, hard to do the math S's that
thirty five thirty six year didn't have the math?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Right? Look, yes that's thirty five. I think here's yes
at that point. But you know, here's the deal. Once
once you're over the age of eighteen, it is perfectly legal.
And you know, I have a nineteen year old daughter,
I have a twenty two year old daughter. What I
want them dating men that old? No, I would not
because I would just be concerned there was the possibility
(07:26):
from manipulation and just when you're that young, you don't
know what you don't know. That's what I always am
telling my daughters, And so you just have to wonder,
you know, there is concern there. As a mom, I'm
concerned when I see this just for those young women,
not that they're not fully legal and capable of making
their own decisions, but are they actually emotionally and intellectually
and experiment like, do they have the experience to make
(07:47):
those decisions. That's where you would hope their parents would
step in, And I really think that's a role for
their family to maybe just make sure they're there and
watching and witnessing and trying to guide their loved ones.
But at the end of the day, technically.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
There's nothing wrong with There's nothing wrong with what anybody's doing.
And I'm sure stepping out they know they're going to
be ridiculed, they're going to be talked about, they're going
to be buzzed about, they're going to be trending at times.
On some days, it's just those are two back to
back stories where I look, I've been around, and we've
been around plenty. We know people who are dating folks
who are have big age gaps. I mean ten years,
twenty years, fine, when you talk about fifty and thirty
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five and that's you don't see that a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I also think that it's important that when that when
those age gaps happen later in life, it really doesn't
feel like a big deal. It's only when the women
are so young, like you're talking about early twenties, teens,
early twenties, that's tough. You know, as a woman, I
can go back and look, I got married, I got
engaged and then married at twenty three, but it was
to someone at my same age. I still didn't have
any business getting married at that age. I didn't know
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who I was. I didn't know what the world was
really all about. And I think, you know, especially young
women might think that they know, but I'm concer when
it's that age. If you've got some woman in her
thirties dating someone in her in his fifties or sixties,
that's fine, she's lived enough.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Like that's what it is. Yeah, Okay, that's what it is.
That's what it is. Okay. That's the key to all
of this, because if I was talking about a forty
year old woman dating a seventy year old man, Okay, Wow,
they make it work. But you're not looking at her
as being in some way manipulated.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I think that's the concern. Is there any sort
of manipulation or just a not even an intentional one.
But it just seems like that would have to be
the case because there's just such a big learning gap
of life.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Let's make sure we are not suggesting Belichick or Charlotte,
we're just making sure we just say that once again, yes,
that's not the suggestion at all. But part of the
age gap goes into the next story that was making headlines,
having to do it with people marry couples in some
instances not living together, voluntarily living sometime in the same
town and not far, not cross country all the time,
(09:52):
but choosing to live in two different homes. And some
of them say they do it because to your point,
there's such an age gap sometimes that you live differently.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Exactly like some people like to go out and party
at night and some people like to sleep in and
it just makes sense for them. There's actually a term
now that they've coined. Correct. It's called a part a partners.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Eight partners, so partners with an A in front of it.
So essentially apart. Nurse.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, they are apart, but they are partners, so uh, partners, yes.
And look, we've had several people come out and talk
about this. Sarah Paulson, who is fifty, I believe in
her partner, Holland Taylor is eighty two, and she said,
you know, she was just talking about this, saying, look,
when we're together, we're we like to sleep next to
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each other, we like to fall asleep holding each other's hands.
But Sarah said, I've had a couple serious relationships. Holland
never has, and so for me to constantly be in
her space, it would probably tear us apart. So we
need two separate homes because she's used to living a
certain way. She's set in her ways to an extent.
She's eighty two years old, and she doesn't need me
coming in messing everything up. So that works for us.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Surelee Ralph, we love her, of course, but she lives
cross country from her husband. That it works. I think
he's in Philly. She's in La Yeah, cross and she's smile.
We've talked to her about it personally. She beams a
big old smile talking about it. Yes, it's been they've
been doing it for years. It works.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They get they love their alone time. And I think
if you have two people who say, hey, I need
I don't just love, I need my alone time and
it works for them, you know what, it's interesting and
some people question whether or not it's real, if they're
actually monogamous or serious, but by all accounts, it works
and it's successful. Another one Gwinneth Healthrow and her husband
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Brad Falschuk. They actually live in the same city, but
they have two different houses. And I think When's kids
are the same age as mine, so it's not like
she's got young kids. I would understand that maybe if
you don't want to necessarily have a new man in
their lives. But now her kids are grown, and she
just said, this works for.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Us, And that's the bottom line. If it works where you,
it works for you. There are some people, and I
mean a lot of people can relate to being with
someone or being in a relationship that is not great
for your sleeping habits because that other person comes to
bed late, likes it hot, likes it cold, wants the
TV on has different We have this issue I shouldn't
(12:25):
say issue. Yeah, it's an issue that I have I'm
set in my ways when it comes to sleep. I
struggle even sleeping when I don't have the TV on
a certain amount of noise that is not your jam.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, you sleep with a TV on. Yes, you like
to lay not vertically on the bed like most people,
but completely across it like horizontally.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It has to do with the TV, yep, because.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You're wanting to watch the TV. You like it warm.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You you like the heat on he being.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You don't like a cold room. So I always laugh,
you know, because you have some sleep issues, and we
all do, but you I've talked about them for over
the years. But any sleep expert will tell you should
have your room dark, cold and quiet. You like your
sleeping environment loud, and I'm talking like gunfire, like loud, bright,
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because the TV is bright and warm.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay, that was our compromise. I don't put on action
movies anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And you turn down the brightness on the television.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You're welcome to help me.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You are welcome, and I yes, And I've compromised on
the heat.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So in that situation, will we be better off sleeping separately?
Sleeping in separate places.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I don't like.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But some people say yes, it's better for your health
than even your mental health sometimes to be a part.
I love being with this person, I love spending time
with this person, but being in bed together night doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I'm not there yet. But look, Cameron Diaz just talked
about this with her husband. They have separate bedrooms, and people,
you know, people are like what she's like. It works
for us. I mean a lot of times people have
snoring issues. Separate bedrooms, they have separate bedroom, they live
in the same house.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You can't just go to the couch like the rest
of us.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Kind of feels like, didn't they do that in the
olden days? Were like retire to your own bedroom and
the husbands would say, can I come visit you? But yeah,
everyone had You know, I know a lot of people
who really believe in separate bathrooms. And if you're lucky
enough to have a enough for that, I'll support that.
I feel like that's a good thing too.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yes, I need want to cut my hair in.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yes I know, Okay, I'm very aware of that. I
was actually going to suggest that.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, the other excuse me, the other story I had
everybody talking was one that really if you've been in
a relationship longer than what six months or a year.
You'll find this very difficult to believe. A couple that's
been married more than a decade now says not once
in their relationship have they fought? Not one time? Not once?
(14:55):
Do you buy that? How is that possible?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't know how it's possible. Okay, you know I've lived,
I've had several relationships and never once has that ever
been true. And I would say, ah, I mean, if
you most I mean I've also had a lot of therapy,
most therapists would say that it's that isn't possible. That
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you're just pushing it down and then you're growing apart
because you just refused. You if you're not willing to
talk about someone always has to do something that annoys
you or upsets you or isn't what you would have
preferred or you disagree with, especially when you're raising children.
And so to think that there's never been a conflict,
there's never been. And I don't know if they're saying, well,
(15:41):
fighting is one thing and disagreeing is another. But it
just it's hard for me to imagine that you can't
get annoyed or pissed or angry at somebody who you love.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Okay, and the couple we're talking about is not just
any old random couple talking about George and Maul Clooney.
They have talked about this now for years, but he
was talking about it recently and an interview, you know,
it was CBS News. Again. They just keep doing stuff
over there. He said that they have never once, not
about the trash, not about anything minor, certainly nothing major.
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Never once. She said, they've gotten to a point that
there's a family member of her I think a cousin
that every time she runs into it's the first thing
out of his mouth. You guys thought yet, like it's
a thing that everybody know. I just don't know how
it's possible. And you talk about therapy, don't the therapist
tell you, isn't a sign something's wrong if you're not fighting?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yes, So I did have a relationship where we almost
never didn't, especially like the last several years. And you
know what it was. It was apathy, I mean, And
that's how it was described to me, that you're literally numb.
You don't care what the other person thinks, so you
can't even be bothered to fight about it. That to
me is what no fighting means, especially if you've been
together for a certain period of time, you just lose
(16:52):
interest in giving a shit, like you just don't care
what they think.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
We're not suggesting that's what George all are, but that
is give a lot of disclaimers.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but I was just thinking,
you know, that's not I'm not assigning that to anyone,
but that's just what I have experience, and that's what
a therapist told me, Like, it's not healthy not to fight.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's not help. But if it short of apathy, isn't
there like two people, why are you not? Again, you've
been the more therapist than I have. I'm just what
else do they suggest? I thought you've talked about this before,
that it's just not a good son. Why are you not?
I guess maybe it is all apathy. But can you
be happy and not fight? Why? I don't know how
a disagreement doesn't come up ever?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I mean, other than like living a life of a monk,
I can't imagine. I mean, yes, I would always prefer
to choose peace, and I try to remind myself of that.
It's better to be okay, it's better to be kind
than to be right, Like I try to have that
going on in a loop in my head, and also
just recognizing your own ego. I don't know how much
work they've done on themselves, but it's it's remarkable to
(17:57):
the point that it feels unbelievable. But I'm so happy
for them if that actually is the case, and I
would love for them to talk more about it and
what they if they have to have, like a mental
discipline where they've learned to breathe through when someone says
something instead of immediately reacting. I count to tent like
whatever it is, because to tell me that emotionally inside
(18:17):
they haven't felt a reaction of anger or disagreement or
frustration or annoyance, that to me is humanly impossible.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So it's just how they handle it, then yes, So if.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
They have been able to not show that in a
way that created a reaction from the other part, because
that's obviously, then that's amazing And I would love to
hear more about it, And I think that the world
would love to hear how they do it, because honestly,
I think all of it, don't we all wouldn't we
all love to be able to have an immediate filter,
process it and then not say something unkind or say
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something that you're gonna want to take back like that
would be amazing, And I.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Don't want to folks will. I mean, these are folks
who seem to be, at least from my vantage point,
living pretty good lives. And I say living pretty good lives.
They have luxuries and experiences that most people just don't get.
So I don't want to us just to go through this,
and because a lot of people will roll their eyes. Okay,
perfect couple in pictures. Now you're telling me they're perfect
(19:16):
at home?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Right they live where?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Well? The someone wrote that, say, hey, I get they
called BS on the whole thing, and I wish I
could give this person credit the whole article calling BS
on this and then at the end saying, well, I
guess if I lived at a house on Lake Como,
I wouldn't have anything to fight about either, So that
you have to at least acknowledge you just some people
will roll their eyes a little bit, But you're right.
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I would absolutely love to hear more about it and
how they do it. We should try it. How long
can we go without a fight?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well, you know what, I was counting. I didn't even
tell you this, but we did go and this is
a probably the longest stretch. We went four months without fighting.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Four months. No it's not, yes, yes it was.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It was from Christmas Eve all the way until about
two weeks ago. We really know, we know. We did
not believe me. I remember, it's gutting when we do.
We went four months. We went four months, and.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I was an Osha calendar in twenty days without an accident.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I don't remember a lot of things, but you know, literally,
I do have an Oha calendar in my head. And
it's funny because when we got into the last fight,
you know, it was it was devastating to me because
I was so excited. We were like, I wanted to
tell you, but I didn't want to jinx it, so
I was keeping it to myself. But now at this moment,
I'm letting you know we went four months.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I didn't. I wasn't counting. Apparently that's just that's what
we should do. So uh, yeah, George and Maul, don't
listen to us. We clearly haven't figured this shit out.
But folks, yes, we've been wanted to talk, but we
didn't expect to extra record this. And we we've been
talking and buzzing about some of these stories and saying, hey,
we should do a pocket, we should do a podka,
But then finally one more came along and there you
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have it. So hope you guys not out of this.
Please listen to your tall Have.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
A great day, everybody. M hm
Hey, the folks. In this episode a couple that has
been married ten years but claims they have never ever fought,
not once. Also, have you heard of this new concept
a partners as people who voluntarily live apart from their
significant other? And how much of an age gap is
(00:24):
too great of an age gap when it comes to dating.
Those are just a few of the relationship related headlines
that had us and everybody else talking the past week.
Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ Rowl. Let's
start with that, ca can you is there a blanket
just there is an age gap that you just shouldn't
be dating. Is there a general rule or should we
(00:46):
all just it should go out the window and you
just do your thing.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, I at this stage in my life am
not here to tell anybody else what they should or
shouldn't do. I think, you know, what, if your soul
falls in love with another person's soul, good for you.
But I do think that it's significantly more challenging to
have somebody who has a big age gap. But I think, look,
you have met people who are older who who read younger.
(01:13):
They just have different energy, And then you have younger
folks who have older energy. So I do think sometimes
you can. The age is just a number, and it's
more about how you live your life, how you operate,
and the activity level you're willing to.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So forty nine year age gap can work.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I wouldn't want to tell somebody it couldn't, but it
wouldn't be for me.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, say what you say? Where we're going here? Bill
Belichick Hall of Fame coach, Championship winning coach for the
Super Bowl winning coach New England Patriots. He's now the
head coach at North Carolina, but he's been in the
headlines a lot because, yes, he is dating a woman
that is forty nine years his junior.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yes, Bill Belichick is seventy three years old. His girlfriend,
Jordan Hudson, is twenty four years old. So that is
a forty nine your age gap.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Should we start with? So what do you think if
you're happy, knock yourself out, if you're not hurting anybody
else and not hurting your self, who is anybody to
say what's going on?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I would be on that side of things. Yes, However,
I think that everybody has to make that decision for themselves.
I just think it's so easy to stand in judgment
of other people. Yes, when if they're happy, why do
you care? Like really white And maybe if you're Bill
Belichick's kids, you might care. You've got a personal reasons
and you're invested in something other than what he's choosing,
(02:31):
and you've got to reason like fine than have your opinion.
But the rest of us, I just think we should
shut up.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, But some were saying, excuse me, I shouldn't say no,
I'm not saying. Some were saying, it's been talking about
a lot here late, that he's been on some red
carpets with her, and he's been out and been out there.
He's not necessarily hiding and being shy about it. But
he did an interview recently with CBS News and the
interview was on tape. I didn't realize it wasn't live,
so it was on tape. It was recorded. Apparently his
(02:56):
girlfriend was sitting off to the side. This was a
one on one between Bill Belichick and the interviewer at CBS,
and he was asked a question about his relationship and right.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
So the question was they were asking how the two met,
because there are unsubstantiated reports that they met on a
plane back in twenty twenty one. Who knows whatever, But
the question was asked, how did you meet? And Jordan
jumped in. She didn't have a microphone, but from off
to the side she said, we are not talking about this,
(03:27):
and the interview said no, and she went no and
shut it down. Now you and I have both had
I could point to a very big interview where I
actually had something very similar happen where the wife got
upset at the question I was asking her husband and
these were famous folks. She jumped up, yelled at me
and walked out of the room. We made the decision
(03:48):
not to put that in the piece because it wasn't
a part of the interview, and CBS News this actually
CBS Sunday Morning made the choice to leave it in,
which then created a lot of reaction from folks to.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What do you do there? I will take that first.
I didn't know what else they had on tape. I
don't know it for all. It kind have been a
boring interview and they're like, well, this will spice it
up a little bit. Who knows what the decision making was.
Is it a part of this? So he was there
to talk about a book something else.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He's got a new book, The Art of Winning, and
that's why he was sitting down with CBS Sunday Morning
to talk about that and the lessons he learned from
his father.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
But what do you do there as a journalist? It
had nothing to do necessarily with the interview, but it
became a part of the interview. I have a question
for this my interview, E I have a question, and
the answer to that question came from somebody who wasn't
being interviewed. Now, Bill Belichick would have said, you know what,
I'm gonna skip that disrespectfully, I might have left that
(04:46):
response out. He would just say, you know what, I
want to skip pass on that and moved on. But
to have that type of interruption, now she becomes the story.
Why wasn't that talked about ahead of time? What questions
are we going to ask? Is it a rule violated?
Who knows? I don't know that backstory, But it's hard
when she became a part of the interview voluntarily.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, I think that's a decision made on a case
by case basis and in the spirit of the interview.
And if they felt like, for whatever reason, that was
an important part of the interview, and they wanted to
include it. Certainly. Of course they knew that that was
going to make that we're only talking about that interview
because of their decision to leave that part of what
(05:32):
happened off camera. It was on camera, but off to
the side of the camera. They chose to leave it
in and that is why we're talking about it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Could have been uh, I mean, I could have been
a part of the strategy. People are going to be
talking about it. People don't to be buzzing this so
go viral maybe, But yeah, it was a taped piece.
They had every opportunity do not include that at all,
and they chose to do so. But he's not the
only one. Look we look at and talk U seventy
three and twenty four. Yes, yes she was. They've known
(06:00):
each other for several years now. I think they've been
dating for a couple of years, so she was younger.
This idea, now that it's come up in a much
more is much different. Let's make sure we're clear much different.
But also this underlying story of men, older men dating
women that are so much younger, and I'm talking about
the Shannon Sharp story. Now there's a fifty million dollar
(06:23):
lawsuit about sexual assault that's involved. However, there's been criticism
plenty from a lot of big names. Charlemagne and then
this clip from the comedian Monique came up in which
she was telling Shannon, being comedic, but stop messing around
with these young girls.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Okay, yeah, get you an older woman who will make
you some food and take care of you and rub
your feet when you come home. That's what she said
to him. It was quite funny, she warned him. She said,
stop pulling around with all these young girls. It's gonna
come back and bite you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Now. In Shannon's situation, he was fifty four and she
was nineteen when they first met. That again, that's what
I'm I guess, hard to do the math S's that
thirty five thirty six year didn't have the math?
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Right? Look, yes that's thirty five. I think here's yes
at that point. But you know, here's the deal. Once
once you're over the age of eighteen, it is perfectly legal.
And you know, I have a nineteen year old daughter,
I have a twenty two year old daughter. What I
want them dating men that old? No, I would not
because I would just be concerned there was the possibility
(07:26):
from manipulation and just when you're that young, you don't
know what you don't know. That's what I always am
telling my daughters, And so you just have to wonder,
you know, there is concern there. As a mom, I'm
concerned when I see this just for those young women,
not that they're not fully legal and capable of making
their own decisions, but are they actually emotionally and intellectually
and experiment like, do they have the experience to make
(07:47):
those decisions. That's where you would hope their parents would
step in, And I really think that's a role for
their family to maybe just make sure they're there and
watching and witnessing and trying to guide their loved ones.
But at the end of the day, technically.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
There's nothing wrong with There's nothing wrong with what anybody's doing.
And I'm sure stepping out they know they're going to
be ridiculed, they're going to be talked about, they're going
to be buzzed about, they're going to be trending at times.
On some days, it's just those are two back to
back stories where I look, I've been around, and we've
been around plenty. We know people who are dating folks
who are have big age gaps. I mean ten years,
twenty years, fine, when you talk about fifty and thirty
(08:26):
five and that's you don't see that a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I also think that it's important that when that when
those age gaps happen later in life, it really doesn't
feel like a big deal. It's only when the women
are so young, like you're talking about early twenties, teens,
early twenties, that's tough. You know, as a woman, I
can go back and look, I got married, I got
engaged and then married at twenty three, but it was
to someone at my same age. I still didn't have
any business getting married at that age. I didn't know
(08:50):
who I was. I didn't know what the world was
really all about. And I think, you know, especially young
women might think that they know, but I'm concer when
it's that age. If you've got some woman in her
thirties dating someone in her in his fifties or sixties,
that's fine, she's lived enough.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Like that's what it is. Yeah, Okay, that's what it is.
That's what it is. Okay. That's the key to all
of this, because if I was talking about a forty
year old woman dating a seventy year old man, Okay, Wow,
they make it work. But you're not looking at her
as being in some way manipulated.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
And I think that's the concern. Is there any sort
of manipulation or just a not even an intentional one.
But it just seems like that would have to be
the case because there's just such a big learning gap
of life.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Let's make sure we are not suggesting Belichick or Charlotte,
we're just making sure we just say that once again, yes,
that's not the suggestion at all. But part of the
age gap goes into the next story that was making headlines,
having to do it with people marry couples in some
instances not living together, voluntarily living sometime in the same
town and not far, not cross country all the time,
(09:52):
but choosing to live in two different homes. And some
of them say they do it because to your point,
there's such an age gap sometimes that you live differently.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Exactly like some people like to go out and party
at night and some people like to sleep in and
it just makes sense for them. There's actually a term
now that they've coined. Correct. It's called a part a partners.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Eight partners, so partners with an A in front of it.
So essentially apart. Nurse.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, they are apart, but they are partners, so uh, partners, yes.
And look, we've had several people come out and talk
about this. Sarah Paulson, who is fifty, I believe in
her partner, Holland Taylor is eighty two, and she said,
you know, she was just talking about this, saying, look,
when we're together, we're we like to sleep next to
(10:47):
each other, we like to fall asleep holding each other's hands.
But Sarah said, I've had a couple serious relationships. Holland
never has, and so for me to constantly be in
her space, it would probably tear us apart. So we
need two separate homes because she's used to living a
certain way. She's set in her ways to an extent.
She's eighty two years old, and she doesn't need me
coming in messing everything up. So that works for us.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Surelee Ralph, we love her, of course, but she lives
cross country from her husband. That it works. I think
he's in Philly. She's in La Yeah, cross and she's smile.
We've talked to her about it personally. She beams a
big old smile talking about it. Yes, it's been they've
been doing it for years. It works.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
They get they love their alone time. And I think
if you have two people who say, hey, I need
I don't just love, I need my alone time and
it works for them, you know what, it's interesting and
some people question whether or not it's real, if they're
actually monogamous or serious, but by all accounts, it works
and it's successful. Another one Gwinneth Healthrow and her husband
(11:45):
Brad Falschuk. They actually live in the same city, but
they have two different houses. And I think When's kids
are the same age as mine, so it's not like
she's got young kids. I would understand that maybe if
you don't want to necessarily have a new man in
their lives. But now her kids are grown, and she
just said, this works for.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Us, And that's the bottom line. If it works where you,
it works for you. There are some people, and I
mean a lot of people can relate to being with
someone or being in a relationship that is not great
for your sleeping habits because that other person comes to
bed late, likes it hot, likes it cold, wants the
TV on has different We have this issue I shouldn't
(12:25):
say issue. Yeah, it's an issue that I have I'm
set in my ways when it comes to sleep. I
struggle even sleeping when I don't have the TV on
a certain amount of noise that is not your jam.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, you sleep with a TV on. Yes, you like
to lay not vertically on the bed like most people,
but completely across it like horizontally.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
It has to do with the TV, yep, because.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You're wanting to watch the TV. You like it warm.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
You you like the heat on he being.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You don't like a cold room. So I always laugh,
you know, because you have some sleep issues, and we
all do, but you I've talked about them for over
the years. But any sleep expert will tell you should
have your room dark, cold and quiet. You like your
sleeping environment loud, and I'm talking like gunfire, like loud, bright,
(13:15):
because the TV is bright and warm.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay, that was our compromise. I don't put on action
movies anymore.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
And you turn down the brightness on the television.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
You're welcome to help me.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
You are welcome, and I yes, And I've compromised on
the heat.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
So in that situation, will we be better off sleeping separately?
Sleeping in separate places.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I don't like.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But some people say yes, it's better for your health
than even your mental health sometimes to be a part.
I love being with this person, I love spending time
with this person, but being in bed together night doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I'm not there yet. But look, Cameron Diaz just talked
about this with her husband. They have separate bedrooms, and people,
you know, people are like what she's like. It works
for us. I mean a lot of times people have
snoring issues. Separate bedrooms, they have separate bedroom, they live
in the same house.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You can't just go to the couch like the rest
of us.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Kind of feels like, didn't they do that in the
olden days? Were like retire to your own bedroom and
the husbands would say, can I come visit you? But yeah,
everyone had You know, I know a lot of people
who really believe in separate bathrooms. And if you're lucky
enough to have a enough for that, I'll support that.
I feel like that's a good thing too.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yes, I need want to cut my hair in.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yes I know, Okay, I'm very aware of that. I
was actually going to suggest that.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, the other excuse me, the other story I had
everybody talking was one that really if you've been in
a relationship longer than what six months or a year.
You'll find this very difficult to believe. A couple that's
been married more than a decade now says not once
in their relationship have they fought? Not one time? Not once?
(14:55):
Do you buy that? How is that possible?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I don't know how it's possible. Okay, you know I've lived,
I've had several relationships and never once has that ever
been true. And I would say, ah, I mean, if
you most I mean I've also had a lot of therapy,
most therapists would say that it's that isn't possible. That
(15:19):
you're just pushing it down and then you're growing apart
because you just refused. You if you're not willing to
talk about someone always has to do something that annoys
you or upsets you or isn't what you would have
preferred or you disagree with, especially when you're raising children.
And so to think that there's never been a conflict,
there's never been. And I don't know if they're saying, well,
(15:41):
fighting is one thing and disagreeing is another. But it
just it's hard for me to imagine that you can't
get annoyed or pissed or angry at somebody who you love.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Okay, and the couple we're talking about is not just
any old random couple talking about George and Maul Clooney.
They have talked about this now for years, but he
was talking about it recently and an interview, you know,
it was CBS News. Again. They just keep doing stuff
over there. He said that they have never once, not
about the trash, not about anything minor, certainly nothing major.
(16:14):
Never once. She said, they've gotten to a point that
there's a family member of her I think a cousin
that every time she runs into it's the first thing
out of his mouth. You guys thought yet, like it's
a thing that everybody know. I just don't know how
it's possible. And you talk about therapy, don't the therapist
tell you, isn't a sign something's wrong if you're not fighting?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yes, So I did have a relationship where we almost
never didn't, especially like the last several years. And you
know what it was. It was apathy, I mean, And
that's how it was described to me, that you're literally numb.
You don't care what the other person thinks, so you
can't even be bothered to fight about it. That to
me is what no fighting means, especially if you've been
together for a certain period of time, you just lose
(16:52):
interest in giving a shit, like you just don't care
what they think.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
We're not suggesting that's what George all are, but that
is give a lot of disclaimers.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but I was just thinking,
you know, that's not I'm not assigning that to anyone,
but that's just what I have experience, and that's what
a therapist told me, Like, it's not healthy not to fight.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It's not help. But if it short of apathy, isn't
there like two people, why are you not? Again, you've
been the more therapist than I have. I'm just what
else do they suggest? I thought you've talked about this before,
that it's just not a good son. Why are you not?
I guess maybe it is all apathy. But can you
be happy and not fight? Why? I don't know how
a disagreement doesn't come up ever?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I mean, other than like living a life of a monk,
I can't imagine. I mean, yes, I would always prefer
to choose peace, and I try to remind myself of that.
It's better to be okay, it's better to be kind
than to be right, Like I try to have that
going on in a loop in my head, and also
just recognizing your own ego. I don't know how much
work they've done on themselves, but it's it's remarkable to
(17:57):
the point that it feels unbelievable. But I'm so happy
for them if that actually is the case, and I
would love for them to talk more about it and
what they if they have to have, like a mental
discipline where they've learned to breathe through when someone says
something instead of immediately reacting. I count to tent like
whatever it is, because to tell me that emotionally inside
(18:17):
they haven't felt a reaction of anger or disagreement or
frustration or annoyance, that to me is humanly impossible.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So it's just how they handle it, then yes, So if.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
They have been able to not show that in a
way that created a reaction from the other part, because
that's obviously, then that's amazing And I would love to
hear more about it, And I think that the world
would love to hear how they do it, because honestly,
I think all of it, don't we all wouldn't we
all love to be able to have an immediate filter,
process it and then not say something unkind or say
(18:49):
something that you're gonna want to take back like that
would be amazing, And I.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Don't want to folks will. I mean, these are folks
who seem to be, at least from my vantage point,
living pretty good lives. And I say living pretty good lives.
They have luxuries and experiences that most people just don't get.
So I don't want to us just to go through this,
and because a lot of people will roll their eyes. Okay,
perfect couple in pictures. Now you're telling me they're perfect
(19:16):
at home?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Right they live where?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Well? The someone wrote that, say, hey, I get they
called BS on the whole thing, and I wish I
could give this person credit the whole article calling BS
on this and then at the end saying, well, I
guess if I lived at a house on Lake Como,
I wouldn't have anything to fight about either, So that
you have to at least acknowledge you just some people
will roll their eyes a little bit, But you're right.
(19:40):
I would absolutely love to hear more about it and
how they do it. We should try it. How long
can we go without a fight?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Well, you know what, I was counting. I didn't even
tell you this, but we did go and this is
a probably the longest stretch. We went four months without fighting.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Four months. No it's not, yes, yes it was.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
It was from Christmas Eve all the way until about
two weeks ago. We really know, we know. We did
not believe me. I remember, it's gutting when we do.
We went four months. We went four months, and.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I was an Osha calendar in twenty days without an accident.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I don't remember a lot of things, but you know, literally,
I do have an Oha calendar in my head. And
it's funny because when we got into the last fight,
you know, it was it was devastating to me because
I was so excited. We were like, I wanted to
tell you, but I didn't want to jinx it, so
I was keeping it to myself. But now at this moment,
I'm letting you know we went four months.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
I didn't. I wasn't counting. Apparently that's just that's what
we should do. So uh, yeah, George and Maul, don't
listen to us. We clearly haven't figured this shit out.
But folks, yes, we've been wanted to talk, but we
didn't expect to extra record this. And we we've been
talking and buzzing about some of these stories and saying, hey,
we should do a pocket, we should do a podka,
But then finally one more came along and there you
(20:57):
have it. So hope you guys not out of this.
Please listen to your tall Have.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
A great day, everybody. M hm
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