August 14, 2025 • 30 mins
We all know and love Gloria Gaynor’s iconic 1978 hit “I Will Survive” - an anthem that earned Gaynor a Grammy and a lifetime of fans. Is it fair to now judge her for accepting one of our nation’s highest honors because you don’t like the politics from the person presenting it? Amy and T.J. weigh in on the latest calls for Gaynor to reject an award from this president.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey there, folks, it is Thursday, August fourteenth. She is
an icon, and she wrote one of the most iconic,
most important songs that we have ever heard. And she
deserves a Kennedy Center honor. So why are some people
suggesting that she not do it, telling her she shouldn't
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do it, and even given her all kinds of hell
for daring to accept an honor she so greatly deserves.
Welcome to Amy and TJ. We of course wrote to
talking about Gloria Gayner. President trumpde the announcement of the
Kenny Center Honors recipients. She was among them, and she
stood out to certain people. I guess for certain reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
That's right. Her iconic song I Will Survive is an
anthem for so many women out there, and certainly has
been one for me. I have I know every word
to the song, as I think most women do. But
it's also become an anthem for the LGBTQ plus community,
especially in the eighties during the AIDS epidemic. A lot
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of that community took that song personally and took it
as their own as a part of their identity. This
song means a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, and she was. This woman is iconic. Yes, she
was a disco queen of course in the seventies and eighties,
had several hits, but she's one ropes out and they
made me think of our girl fight song.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh yeah, Rachel plattin Rachel Platten.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That's a bunch of great songs, a bunch of great hits.
But anytime you see her, there are certain people, anytime
you see them that they have songs that are events
and you can't wait for that thing. And this is
the one she will always and forever be attached to,
no matter how seven Grammy nominations, two Grammys, no matter
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what she did her I think fifty something albums. It
goes so amazing, you say, Gloria Gayner, that's one thing
you're gonna think, and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, you hear that piano at the beginning, and you
know exactly what song that is the first three seconds
of the song, and you know what you're about to hear.
That's how iconic and just familiar this song is and
what it does to you when you hear those Oh
you just you're ready. You jump up on the dance floor,
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you hit the mic. If you are in a karaoke bar.
You sing along and you feel something when you hear
this song.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, first I was afraid. I was petrified, thinking you
just keep going. It doesn't matter who you are, you know,
it means different things to different people. But when you
hear the song, you can't help But like that song. Yeah,
you don't have to attach something personal in your life
to go Hell, yeah, I'm loving what I'm hearing. So
why in God's name everybody, no excuse me, not everybody.
A whole bunch of folks, including some now very prominent
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in some high profile folks coming out and saying she
should not accept the award. Well, obviously it has to
do with President Trump and an idea or thought sometimes
just automat if you are certain things in certain demographics,
then you should not. According to some people, how dare
you support President Trump in any way, form or fashion.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
See And here's where I disagree with people who would
make that statement or even in any way suggest she
should walk away from one of the highest honors of
this country for her work and her value.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And nobody's arguing that she shouldn't get it, by the way.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Because I don't believe accepting an award from someone from
a controversial person who's either presenting the award, had anything
to do with picking you for the award. I don't
think that has anything to do with your politics. You're
not endorsing a political figure or a controversial figure, or
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even someone's politics by accepting an award from someone about
your work. The award is about your contribution. The award
is about your work. The award is about you, it's
not about the person presenting it. And that's just where
I stand on that.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I am in agreement on all of that. Gloria Kana,
do it ever the hell you want to do, first
and foremost, if she wants to take it and go
accept the honor, knock yourself out. And she should and
shouldn't feel any kind of way about it. If she
were to come out and say no, I don't for
this reason, that is okay as well. I just think
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for either decision she makes, she shouldn't be criticized, she
shouldn't be taken so should be taken the task for it.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And I don't think she owes anybody anything.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's true as well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And I think you know she's she's been an outspoken person.
She's lived enough of her life, I hope. And we
haven't heard from her directly in response to any of this.
I think it's a it's fairly new. This uproar people
at least asking her to not accept this award. We
even heard her respond. I don't know that she will,
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but you know what, if she does, I'm here for it.
I'd love to hear what she has to say, because
she has been very straightforward about her feelings and she's
not a political figure. She's never talked about her politics.
She's never gotten into politics. No, I've seen people trying
to find out if she's registered as a Republican or
registered as a Democrat, or how she votes. You know what,
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why does that matter? This is about her music. This
is about her contribution to all of us. And every
time I hear that song, I am so impressed with
that song. That song is like I think my girls
know that song. It doesn't matter how old you are
or how young you are. You know that song.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Does it matter if I told you right now she's
been a Republican for the past thirty years and voted
for Trump three times. Wait, you don't like the song anymore?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I don't think that that should be a part of
someone's art. Who is?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But isn't that some people's mindset these days? And that's fine,
But it just we have to separate in some way.
They're not evil people just because they don't think like
you on every single social issue. She made a kick
ass song. Now she's not being accused of murder. That's different.
I mean, she was convicted. It's hard to be on
the dance floor jam into a convicted murderer song. We
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ain't talking about that, right.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
She hasn't done anybody wrong, She hasn't committed any crime.
She hasn't done anything controversial, frankly.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Until now. So if you all did see the news, obviously,
President Trump has obviously put his stamp on the Kennedy Center,
the Performing Arts center there in DC. He changed the
board out, made himself the chairman, filled the board with
his own people. And now it sounds like he has
almost hand picked what was ninety eight percent involved.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, that's what he said.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Is what he said. So he picked people here kiss,
Sylvester Stallone, George Strait, Michael Crawford, of course, a Phantom
of the opera, Yes, Sink Glory Ganna. Those five people,
I think I think five people Kiss as a group.
Of course for those guys, but these five groups, these
five artists, are all deserving. But the suggestion is he
picked and he said this, He didn't. He rejected some
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woke folk who might have been up for the honor.
So this is now political to where there might be
an artist and obviously there are deserving artists out there,
but he is coming out and saying out loud if
he believes that you, the artists, have done anything that
is a woke agenda or maybe even anti him, he's
not going.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
To honor you. But interestingly, he said that because if
you look back at Kiss, a couple members of the band,
including Gene Simmons, have said things on Twitter on social
media speaking out against Trump policies. So I thought that
was interesting as well. He still went with Kiss. He
and George Simmons, I mean, Gene Simmons, I think went
way back before politics and had a friendship of sorts.
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But Gene Simmons has publicly admonished his politics.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
The entire group put out a joint statement yes, thanking
the President for this honor. All of these people agreed
to this before Trump made the announcement. He wasn't gonna
come out there and say I'm honoring this person and
that person's at No, I'm not gonna show up. This
was all agreed to. So whatever they have said in
the past, it was not enough, didn't rise to the level.
And certainly they made somebody the White House comfortable enough
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that they're okay and in this camp. So Gloria Gainna
too had to say yes ahead of time. He wasn't
gonna risk that at all, so she said yes. Should
she have said yes? Is the question? But Rose we
talk about the song now, I mean, it's the anthem,
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it is, But who are the two not three groups?
I guess you could say that the president is accused
of hating the most if you will quote unquote with
the word hate there, but going after or attacking or
not taking care of most minorities, women, and the LGBTQ
plus community.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
She embodies all three of those with that song ones all.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Everybody can embrace that and see her as a hero,
and they see him as something opposite. So now they
see their hero getting chummy to a certain degree or
being willing to be there with him. That probably does sting.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Initially it does sting, but I also think could we
not look at it as we're not or folks who
don't agree with Trump's policies don't have to play politics
the way Trump does. We don't have to be mean
spirit and say I'm not going to take your award
because I don't like you. If he's going to say
I'm not going to give you the award because I
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don't like you, let him. But that doesn't mean the
response has to be then I'm not going to accept
the award because I don't like you. I actually think
it could be an amazing bridge to at least say, hey,
we don't have to agree. We don't like how he
speaks to people, we don't like how he treats people,
and we don't even like the decisions he makes or
how he makes the decisions. However, if I am being
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awarded something, I am going to graciously accept it because
I deserve it. And maybe in doing so, you show
that it doesn't have to be a tit for Tat,
that she doesn't have to take a public stance against him,
that she doesn't have to refuse an honor. I just
think that it's going down into a similar lower level
of reaction and communication when you respond to someone because
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of the way they respond, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Very high brow of you to take it that way.
I would just absolutely say she deserves the honor, so
you're not supposed to get it just because it's President
Trump is the one handing it to you. To your point, yes, well,
this is mogieur Obama's famous line. When they go low,
we go high. Yes, get it okay. And now Democrats
are doing what out there, fight fire with fire now here,
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So they are actually ramping up to say we now
want to get just as mean and nasty as we're
accusing the other side of doing. So to what you're saying,
I think is wonderful. One woman on one stage, on
one night, I don't know how much farther down the
road is to get us to reverse that. You are right,
you should not. You cannot do it just because they
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did it. No, you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I actually, I actually think it would be terrible if
now she refused to do it. It just everyone looks ugly,
everyone looks mean spirited, everyone looks small. Everyone. You know,
when you can't handle or tolerate someone else because you
don't like how they act. First of all, this is
the President of the United States, and the world is watching.
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I think, I actually think the right thing to do
is to not play into that, to not participate in that,
to not add to the negativity, to not create that acrimony,
and to accept something because you deserve it and leave
it like that. There shouldn't be. I know he's bringing
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politics into it, but it doesn't mean everyone else has to,
and it certainly I think means a Gloria Gaynor doesn't
have to and shouldn't have to, and I hope she doesn't. Man.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Oh she sings that night, though I do too. By
the way, if you don't know, she has continued to tour.
I think she's what eighty one or something like that now,
but she continues. She's out there doing her things. She's active.
She looks good.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I saw her, she just did. I mean, CBS is
going to be broadcasting this as that's a whole other
story or a whole other podcast. But CBS is going
to be broadcasting the Kennedy Center Honors in December, and
they started doing profiles on the recipients, and I watched
the Gloria Gainer one and she looks unbelievable. I can
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she used that she's eighty one. I think eighty one, babe,
she looks fifty one, and so she's doing something right.
I gotta say that because she looked great and she
was was It was joyful, she was proud, she was excited,
she was playing her song, she was talking about what
it meant to her and acknowledging what it means to
so many people. I love that she's getting this honor.
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It is a huge honor.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I considered that option. What if the next president decides
to do a do good like lawyer Gaina didn't want
the honor when President Trump was in office. So the
next president Susi gets in office, first year Kennedy Center
honor is gonna bring her back?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
What if it's jd Vance? Can she not accept it? Then?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay? But my thought was, she's eighty one. You know
what I'm saying, This life is short. Why are you
getting onto this woman to be denied this moment in
this room with everybody standing up and clapping and honoring
her for a lifetime of achievement. Take the moment, lady,
and I'm gonna watch it, and when I see her,
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I'm not gonna be going, Oh, she's there with Trump.
I'm gonna like, damn, that's a good song.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I think, Yeah, I love what you just said. I
so agree with that, and I just I don't think
it's fair. I don't think it's fair for other women.
I don't think it's fair for anyone who's a member
of an oppressed group that thinks that she somehow represents them,
and by accepting this gift, it's a slap in the face.
I think everyone needs to get out of her business.
I think everyone needs to let her do what she
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wants to do and stop judging. That's the end of it. Like,
stop judging people and stop putting what you would do
on someone else. That's so unfair.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
That's what judges. The word I'm always looking for, and
you always bring me back to that word and everything
we're talking about here. It's okay to it's actually okay
to criticize. It's okay to actually be hurt by the decision.
It's okay to wish that she not do it. When
we start with the name calling and the vicious back
and forth and it all turns into politics, we don't
have to go that far. But still, to your point, Robes,
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just she could do what she has she wants to do,
and she doesn't have to be judged for its speaking
of there was at least one high profile criticism that's
coming from a cast member of the view who's talking
Anna Navarro, who put out a pretty long statement that
Robes talking about the time she actually met Gloria Gaynor.
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Let me see this she Trump and now as he
picked her, or said when she plans the host, I'm
bringing it here. This is what she said. Look, the
woman is a goddess and deserves all the flowers that
come her way. But I wish she wouldn't accept an
award from the hands of a man who has attacked
the rights and history of women, people of color, and LGBTQ.
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The gay community in particular, helped turn her signature song
into an anthem. Trump is a stain on the prestige
and significance of the Kennedy Center honors. Don't do it, Gloria,
that's just judgy. I know she can wish this, and
she could be passionate as well, and she can wish
she didn't do it. But that line, I saw your
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whole body just shift when I said it, Robes like
helped you, like you owe this to other people. That
is exactly not make a decision for yourself.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I just got chill when you said that. That's it.
That's it. That's where I well, there are a couple
issues I take. I don't think it's fair at all
to ell, an artist whose song is phenomenal, legendary, Grammy
Award winning, that somehow she owes her success to marginalized
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communities and she owes them something in return by not
receiving this honor. She should deny herself this honor because
she owes her success, this song, in particular to marginalized
groups who now need her to speak for them in
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opposition of Trump. I think that is so unfair and
I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's tough. And obviously we know Annonavarro a bit. We
know she's not ever coming from a bad place.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
She's a lovely person. We've had time with her. Oh
she's wonderful. I just disagree with her.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I just I do I and she can feel this
taking issue with the opinion. But then when you turn
this now and now it is coming from a place
of judgment, you, Gloria Gainer, can't shouldn't do that. It's
a become a judge me saying I wish you wouldn't
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do this for these reasons, versus.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Don't do this that I think you know, words are
big for me and just the way that comes off
frames of conversation around this differently, And that's the I mean,
I'm sure she's passioned and believes what she's saying, but
is this the case now? Can no woman can, no
person of color, can no person from the LGBTQ plus
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community be fair or still support their own community. If
they go by the White House for a ceremony they
were invited to, if they were invited to go to
a lunch at the White House, if they were lucky
enough to if your kids got invited to the Easter
egg role, where do we cut that off?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
If your team is being honored at the White House.
You know, we've seen these types of things happened before
Shadora Sanders even went out and publicly said, Hey, I
was invited to be a part of. I forgot what
Sports Task Force Trump the Trump administration asked to be
a part of, and he wanted to let everyone know
he turned it down. But it becomes this sort of
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thing where now are you expected to not participate in
things that are holy American, that are traditional that had
been a part of this country because you don't like
who's in office, and that's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And everybody we have to she's everybody knows that listens
to our podcast. Everyone knows Robaka's not the biggest sports
person in the world. You're talking about Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Gosh, I really screwed that.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Up saying chaudors name. People will sit up. But yes,
it was a task force that a council has. She
knows the difference between the two. She's just she was
getting going on something else. I just wanted to make
sure we clear the right.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You're right, that's how bad I am. Sports football players
well sometimes the black that's not even funny. But the
chances were okay anyway on Berley, Sorry sorry, sorry, But
the point that they even tried, and like who got
photographed playing golf with President Trump? That was another issue.
It's like, if you're black and you should not be
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photographed with Trump because now you are turning your back
on your community.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Ah, all right, And here's the thing, folks, everybody's trying
to figure out what Gloria Gainner is politics are what
she has said in the past, Well, she has said
something and even when she it came out of her mouth,
she knew it was probably gonna get her into trouble
because she had to open her mouth and say, you
know what, feminism ain't my thing.
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Speaker 1 (20:48):
All right, folks, let's continue now. Gloria Gainer a recipient
of this year's Kennedy Center Honor, and some are saying
she shouldn't accept the war because it's Trump given it
to her, so.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Broke.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So many people are against her doing it have come
out because they're saying her anthem I Will Survive was
about marginalized communities. It was LGBTQ plus community. It's about women,
and these are groups they say have been marginalized by
this president or outright attacked. But when it comes to ropes,
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I was surprised to find this this is her, not
just this one. She has several songs that sound like
this is a lady who has absolutely got the fist
in the air on all women's issues. She is a
general now in the feminism movie, Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And I would say a lot of women who've gone
through a heartbreak or are angry at a boyfriend or
a husband or an ex or whatever, they'll sing this song.
At first, I was afraid. I was petrified, thinking I
could never live without you by my side. So it's
about female empowerment, right, So you would assume the Gloria
Gayner is a self proclaimed and proud feminist. Yes, right,
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she is iconic in the feminist movement with that song alone.
But if you actually do some research on Gloria Gainer,
she has not been quiet about this. She has been
very straightforward about this. She says the biggest misconception about her,
and she even says it may be dangerous to say this,
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but the biggest misconception, she says, is that she's a feminist.
It's incredible because she's not. She's not a feminist.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So I kind of remember how this question was set
up to the she was doing. It was an online interview,
but yeah, that was the question, what has been like
through your whole career and at this point it's been
a long one in all those decades, she said, people
still don't get that right about her. I'm not a feminist.
That's the next quote is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
She says. People say it to me, and since you're
a feminist, dot dot dot, and she stops them, No,
not really. I love men. By the way, you can
be a feminist in love men too. I just want
to say that. But anyway, she says, I love men.
I love men who know who they are and are
strong enough to take their place, but also strong enough
to recognize a woman's strengths and who are able to
allow her to exercise those strengths and realize that we
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are to be partners and not opponents. I grew up
with five brothers, and I love men.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's an interesting take.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
What do you make of that? I, you know, I
think that you can be a feminist and love men.
I would actually say I'm a feminist and I love
men because I think some you know, we at times
need to sup to find ways to support each other
because we have been marginalized around the world. So yes,
I don't know you can define a feminist anyway. But
I think she was concerned that a lot of times
people do associate that with women who hate men or
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women who want to That's what she was saying, right,
And so she's saying, look, I love men, I have
nothing against men, even though this song obviously she was
angry at a guy. Right, she was like, you know,
I'm going to change the lock, and yes, all of that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
What I found interesting about her answer is that she
wasn't asked about feminism. She could have gone a bunch
of different directions. She chose to stand up and say
I am not a feminist. Yes, it's not a matter
of going through her career. And you know what, she
never said out loud that she is a feminist. She
decided to voluntarily say this. Good on her. Her explanation
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is what it is. But I was surprised when I
actually saw that.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I was too. I did not know that. And she
is a strong woman of faith, that is her. She
hasn't said if she's political. Again, she says she's not
a feminist, but one thing she will say loud and
clear is that she is a woman of faith.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, and her faith has led to some questions about
how she feels about the gay community. And she has
an interview back on BBC BBC several years ago and
she made this comment about the gay community. I want
to lead them to Christ and what he has for them.
I want to lead them to him. I want to
lead them to the truth. Now. She was then about
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asked about that Robes in a follow up interview minim
of years yet later. I think this is with NPR.
But that relevant quote, you see, I haven' highlighted day.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh yes, so she was asked, and actually it was
reference that some people took that to mean. When she
said I want to lead them to Christ and what
he has for them, a lot of people took that
to mean you were against homosexuality and against LGBT people.
Would you like to explain what you meant by that,
So Gayner said, I'm not against Since she laughed, she said,
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I thought this was self explanatory what I said. I'm
not against anybody. I just am a full believer that
God knows and wants only what's best for each and
every one of us, and is the only one that
can bring it to pass if we rely on him.
That is the beginning and end of my thoughts about it.
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So she did go on to say that she has
nephews who are gay, she has friends who are gay.
Her fan club president is gay. She said. She also
meant she and that people who work with her are gay,
so she has She says that none of them have
any misgivings or misunderstandings about how she feels about homosexuality homosexuality,
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but she also says that they know I will go
to my grave loving them. So that was a little Well,
how did you take that? You know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
She explained that the next one here gets me. She said,
none of it taints my ability to love them, and
I think that is what's important. Oh, she's a woman
of faith, she's not. I mean, nothing suggests she's against
the gay community or against the LGBTQ plus rights. But
you could take it for what it is. Right she
is saying or seem to suggest or doesn't seem to
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be a full throated even if she supports the community,
at least her faith and her faith, it doesn't sound
like she is a huge endorser.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
No, she just goes back to God, goes back to
the Bible. She said that it doesn't taint her ability
to love homosexual community, but it did seem as though
she was saying she doesn't believe that that is God's plan.
But that's not up to her. I mean, that was
what the interpretation could be. She said, I agree with
the word of God from Genesis to Revelations, and I
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would advise or hope that anyone who wants to know
what that is would read it for themselves.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
There you have, that's the extent of it of what
people trying to dig up and figure out, and who
is she and dous she lean and who she supports. Yes,
the president has, by his own admission, made this political.
Do the rest of us have to all five of
these acts? These artists, even if I at Crawford, I
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didn't even know his name when I first heard it.
But oh the guy who originated Phantom of the Opera, well, yeah,
George strait can't damn you a single song. But I
understand kiss same thing. It's not on a playlist. Knock
yourselves out. I respect all of that, Sylvester Salon as
a no brainer. I just I love, appreciate, And I
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was going back and was planning on watching some old
Rambo movies. I was planning on.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Rocky, one of the best films ever made, ever made,
ever made.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
And listen to Gloria again all morning this morning. I
just respect and appreciate the arts. And this is a
moment to give them the flowers, as we.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Say, I think it's an opportunity to recognize their contributions,
all of those incredible artists. And let's not care about
what their politics are. Let's not judge them for what
they believe or who they voted for, or who they
are as political people, but just as unbelievable artists who
gave us so much and deserve this moment on stage
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and deserve this award. And I think if we yes,
I love what you just said. Trump did make this
pop political, but we don't have to. He can make
it political, but we don't have to. We don't have
to buy into that. We don't have to react to
it on that level through that lens. We can just
look at it as a to recognize I love the eighties.
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By the way, he really went all out these all
of these artists are all from the nineteen eighties, So
you know it's he did pick a decade, and it's
a really good decade. I love the eighties.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
You know what, I forgot something I was about to
tell you to sign off here. There's a song by
Gloria Gayner that a lot of people might not know.
First be a Woman. First be a Woman is the
name of the song. I encourage all of you, after
this conversation you've heard us have and all that's going
on around her, listen to the song, First be a woman,
and then apply it to all of this. But the
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theme of the song is essentially her talking about in
all these things, we all do the first thing you
need to be as a woman. This is another anthem,
but it starts off. You can go to Harvard, you
can be a pilot, you can be an astronaut, but
first be a woman.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's a really incredible song that goes overboard embracing feminism.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It goes over bored feminism.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Also the separation, if you will, in some traditional part
of our society.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I am I want to listen to this because this
is amazing. When he takes you for a ride, let
him open you the door, when he asks you for
a dance, let him lead you to the floor, when
he kisses you good night, and you just leave him
wanting more. You can do all you can say. I
am what I am, but first be a woman.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It's a theme like you wouldn't believe. But if a
lot of people feel that way about her, and feel
that way about her music, and feel that way about
her being a female empowerment icon, you can see why
some might be bothered. I'll play this for you all right, folks, Yes,
check out the song, First be a Woman.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
We always as sorry, We.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Always appreciate y'all hanging with us. We'll see y'all soon.
Hey there, folks, it is Thursday, August fourteenth. She is
an icon, and she wrote one of the most iconic,
most important songs that we have ever heard. And she
deserves a Kennedy Center honor. So why are some people
suggesting that she not do it, telling her she shouldn't
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do it, and even given her all kinds of hell
for daring to accept an honor she so greatly deserves.
Welcome to Amy and TJ. We of course wrote to
talking about Gloria Gayner. President trumpde the announcement of the
Kenny Center Honors recipients. She was among them, and she
stood out to certain people. I guess for certain reasons.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
That's right. Her iconic song I Will Survive is an
anthem for so many women out there, and certainly has
been one for me. I have I know every word
to the song, as I think most women do. But
it's also become an anthem for the LGBTQ plus community,
especially in the eighties during the AIDS epidemic. A lot
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of that community took that song personally and took it
as their own as a part of their identity. This
song means a lot to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, and she was. This woman is iconic. Yes, she
was a disco queen of course in the seventies and eighties,
had several hits, but she's one ropes out and they
made me think of our girl fight song.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Oh yeah, Rachel plattin Rachel Platten.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That's a bunch of great songs, a bunch of great hits.
But anytime you see her, there are certain people, anytime
you see them that they have songs that are events
and you can't wait for that thing. And this is
the one she will always and forever be attached to,
no matter how seven Grammy nominations, two Grammys, no matter
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what she did her I think fifty something albums. It
goes so amazing, you say, Gloria Gayner, that's one thing
you're gonna think, and that's okay.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yes, you hear that piano at the beginning, and you
know exactly what song that is the first three seconds
of the song, and you know what you're about to hear.
That's how iconic and just familiar this song is and
what it does to you when you hear those Oh
you just you're ready. You jump up on the dance floor,
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you hit the mic. If you are in a karaoke bar.
You sing along and you feel something when you hear
this song.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, first I was afraid. I was petrified, thinking you
just keep going. It doesn't matter who you are, you know,
it means different things to different people. But when you
hear the song, you can't help But like that song. Yeah,
you don't have to attach something personal in your life
to go Hell, yeah, I'm loving what I'm hearing. So
why in God's name everybody, no excuse me, not everybody.
A whole bunch of folks, including some now very prominent
(02:48):
in some high profile folks coming out and saying she
should not accept the award. Well, obviously it has to
do with President Trump and an idea or thought sometimes
just automat if you are certain things in certain demographics,
then you should not. According to some people, how dare
you support President Trump in any way, form or fashion.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
See And here's where I disagree with people who would
make that statement or even in any way suggest she
should walk away from one of the highest honors of
this country for her work and her value.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And nobody's arguing that she shouldn't get it, by the way.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Because I don't believe accepting an award from someone from
a controversial person who's either presenting the award, had anything
to do with picking you for the award. I don't
think that has anything to do with your politics. You're
not endorsing a political figure or a controversial figure, or
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even someone's politics by accepting an award from someone about
your work. The award is about your contribution. The award
is about your work. The award is about you, it's
not about the person presenting it. And that's just where
I stand on that.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I am in agreement on all of that. Gloria Kana,
do it ever the hell you want to do, first
and foremost, if she wants to take it and go
accept the honor, knock yourself out. And she should and
shouldn't feel any kind of way about it. If she
were to come out and say no, I don't for
this reason, that is okay as well. I just think
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for either decision she makes, she shouldn't be criticized, she
shouldn't be taken so should be taken the task for it.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And I don't think she owes anybody anything.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That's true as well.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
And I think you know she's she's been an outspoken person.
She's lived enough of her life, I hope. And we
haven't heard from her directly in response to any of this.
I think it's a it's fairly new. This uproar people
at least asking her to not accept this award. We
even heard her respond. I don't know that she will,
(05:00):
but you know what, if she does, I'm here for it.
I'd love to hear what she has to say, because
she has been very straightforward about her feelings and she's
not a political figure. She's never talked about her politics.
She's never gotten into politics. No, I've seen people trying
to find out if she's registered as a Republican or
registered as a Democrat, or how she votes. You know what,
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why does that matter? This is about her music. This
is about her contribution to all of us. And every
time I hear that song, I am so impressed with
that song. That song is like I think my girls
know that song. It doesn't matter how old you are
or how young you are. You know that song.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Does it matter if I told you right now she's
been a Republican for the past thirty years and voted
for Trump three times. Wait, you don't like the song anymore?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I don't think that that should be a part of
someone's art. Who is?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
But isn't that some people's mindset these days? And that's fine,
But it just we have to separate in some way.
They're not evil people just because they don't think like
you on every single social issue. She made a kick
ass song. Now she's not being accused of murder. That's different.
I mean, she was convicted. It's hard to be on
the dance floor jam into a convicted murderer song. We
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ain't talking about that, right.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
She hasn't done anybody wrong, She hasn't committed any crime.
She hasn't done anything controversial, frankly.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Until now. So if you all did see the news, obviously,
President Trump has obviously put his stamp on the Kennedy Center,
the Performing Arts center there in DC. He changed the
board out, made himself the chairman, filled the board with
his own people. And now it sounds like he has
almost hand picked what was ninety eight percent involved.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, that's what he said.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Is what he said. So he picked people here kiss,
Sylvester Stallone, George Strait, Michael Crawford, of course, a Phantom
of the opera, Yes, Sink Glory Ganna. Those five people,
I think I think five people Kiss as a group.
Of course for those guys, but these five groups, these
five artists, are all deserving. But the suggestion is he
picked and he said this, He didn't. He rejected some
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woke folk who might have been up for the honor.
So this is now political to where there might be
an artist and obviously there are deserving artists out there,
but he is coming out and saying out loud if
he believes that you, the artists, have done anything that
is a woke agenda or maybe even anti him, he's
not going.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
To honor you. But interestingly, he said that because if
you look back at Kiss, a couple members of the band,
including Gene Simmons, have said things on Twitter on social
media speaking out against Trump policies. So I thought that
was interesting as well. He still went with Kiss. He
and George Simmons, I mean, Gene Simmons, I think went
way back before politics and had a friendship of sorts.
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But Gene Simmons has publicly admonished his politics.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
The entire group put out a joint statement yes, thanking
the President for this honor. All of these people agreed
to this before Trump made the announcement. He wasn't gonna
come out there and say I'm honoring this person and
that person's at No, I'm not gonna show up. This
was all agreed to. So whatever they have said in
the past, it was not enough, didn't rise to the level.
And certainly they made somebody the White House comfortable enough
(08:17):
that they're okay and in this camp. So Gloria Gainna
too had to say yes ahead of time. He wasn't
gonna risk that at all, so she said yes. Should
she have said yes? Is the question? But Rose we
talk about the song now, I mean, it's the anthem,
(08:37):
it is, But who are the two not three groups?
I guess you could say that the president is accused
of hating the most if you will quote unquote with
the word hate there, but going after or attacking or
not taking care of most minorities, women, and the LGBTQ
plus community.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
She embodies all three of those with that song ones all.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Everybody can embrace that and see her as a hero,
and they see him as something opposite. So now they
see their hero getting chummy to a certain degree or
being willing to be there with him. That probably does sting.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Initially it does sting, but I also think could we
not look at it as we're not or folks who
don't agree with Trump's policies don't have to play politics
the way Trump does. We don't have to be mean
spirit and say I'm not going to take your award
because I don't like you. If he's going to say
I'm not going to give you the award because I
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don't like you, let him. But that doesn't mean the
response has to be then I'm not going to accept
the award because I don't like you. I actually think
it could be an amazing bridge to at least say, hey,
we don't have to agree. We don't like how he
speaks to people, we don't like how he treats people,
and we don't even like the decisions he makes or
how he makes the decisions. However, if I am being
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awarded something, I am going to graciously accept it because
I deserve it. And maybe in doing so, you show
that it doesn't have to be a tit for Tat,
that she doesn't have to take a public stance against him,
that she doesn't have to refuse an honor. I just
think that it's going down into a similar lower level
of reaction and communication when you respond to someone because
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of the way they respond, that's.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Very high brow of you to take it that way.
I would just absolutely say she deserves the honor, so
you're not supposed to get it just because it's President
Trump is the one handing it to you. To your point, yes, well,
this is mogieur Obama's famous line. When they go low,
we go high. Yes, get it okay. And now Democrats
are doing what out there, fight fire with fire now here,
(10:45):
So they are actually ramping up to say we now
want to get just as mean and nasty as we're
accusing the other side of doing. So to what you're saying,
I think is wonderful. One woman on one stage, on
one night, I don't know how much farther down the
road is to get us to reverse that. You are right,
you should not. You cannot do it just because they
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did it. No, you can't do it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I actually, I actually think it would be terrible if
now she refused to do it. It just everyone looks ugly,
everyone looks mean spirited, everyone looks small. Everyone. You know,
when you can't handle or tolerate someone else because you
don't like how they act. First of all, this is
the President of the United States, and the world is watching.
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I think, I actually think the right thing to do
is to not play into that, to not participate in that,
to not add to the negativity, to not create that acrimony,
and to accept something because you deserve it and leave
it like that. There shouldn't be. I know he's bringing
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politics into it, but it doesn't mean everyone else has to,
and it certainly I think means a Gloria Gaynor doesn't
have to and shouldn't have to, and I hope she doesn't. Man.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Oh she sings that night, though I do too. By
the way, if you don't know, she has continued to tour.
I think she's what eighty one or something like that now,
but she continues. She's out there doing her things. She's active.
She looks good.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I saw her, she just did. I mean, CBS is
going to be broadcasting this as that's a whole other
story or a whole other podcast. But CBS is going
to be broadcasting the Kennedy Center Honors in December, and
they started doing profiles on the recipients, and I watched
the Gloria Gainer one and she looks unbelievable. I can
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she used that she's eighty one. I think eighty one, babe,
she looks fifty one, and so she's doing something right.
I gotta say that because she looked great and she
was was It was joyful, she was proud, she was excited,
she was playing her song, she was talking about what
it meant to her and acknowledging what it means to
so many people. I love that she's getting this honor.
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It is a huge honor.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I considered that option. What if the next president decides
to do a do good like lawyer Gaina didn't want
the honor when President Trump was in office. So the
next president Susi gets in office, first year Kennedy Center
honor is gonna bring her back?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
What if it's jd Vance? Can she not accept it? Then?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay? But my thought was, she's eighty one. You know
what I'm saying, This life is short. Why are you
getting onto this woman to be denied this moment in
this room with everybody standing up and clapping and honoring
her for a lifetime of achievement. Take the moment, lady,
and I'm gonna watch it, and when I see her,
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I'm not gonna be going, Oh, she's there with Trump.
I'm gonna like, damn, that's a good song.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I think, Yeah, I love what you just said. I
so agree with that, and I just I don't think
it's fair. I don't think it's fair for other women.
I don't think it's fair for anyone who's a member
of an oppressed group that thinks that she somehow represents them,
and by accepting this gift, it's a slap in the face.
I think everyone needs to get out of her business.
I think everyone needs to let her do what she
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wants to do and stop judging. That's the end of it. Like,
stop judging people and stop putting what you would do
on someone else. That's so unfair.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
That's what judges. The word I'm always looking for, and
you always bring me back to that word and everything
we're talking about here. It's okay to it's actually okay
to criticize. It's okay to actually be hurt by the decision.
It's okay to wish that she not do it. When
we start with the name calling and the vicious back
and forth and it all turns into politics, we don't
have to go that far. But still, to your point, Robes,
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just she could do what she has she wants to do,
and she doesn't have to be judged for its speaking
of there was at least one high profile criticism that's
coming from a cast member of the view who's talking
Anna Navarro, who put out a pretty long statement that
Robes talking about the time she actually met Gloria Gaynor.
(14:55):
Let me see this she Trump and now as he
picked her, or said when she plans the host, I'm
bringing it here. This is what she said. Look, the
woman is a goddess and deserves all the flowers that
come her way. But I wish she wouldn't accept an
award from the hands of a man who has attacked
the rights and history of women, people of color, and LGBTQ.
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The gay community in particular, helped turn her signature song
into an anthem. Trump is a stain on the prestige
and significance of the Kennedy Center honors. Don't do it, Gloria,
that's just judgy. I know she can wish this, and
she could be passionate as well, and she can wish
she didn't do it. But that line, I saw your
(15:37):
whole body just shift when I said it, Robes like
helped you, like you owe this to other people. That
is exactly not make a decision for yourself.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I just got chill when you said that. That's it.
That's it. That's where I well, there are a couple
issues I take. I don't think it's fair at all
to ell, an artist whose song is phenomenal, legendary, Grammy
Award winning, that somehow she owes her success to marginalized
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communities and she owes them something in return by not
receiving this honor. She should deny herself this honor because
she owes her success, this song, in particular to marginalized
groups who now need her to speak for them in
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opposition of Trump. I think that is so unfair and
I don't like it one bit.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
That's tough. And obviously we know Annonavarro a bit. We
know she's not ever coming from a bad place.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
She's a lovely person. We've had time with her. Oh
she's wonderful. I just disagree with her.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
I just I do I and she can feel this
taking issue with the opinion. But then when you turn
this now and now it is coming from a place
of judgment, you, Gloria Gainer, can't shouldn't do that. It's
a become a judge me saying I wish you wouldn't
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do this for these reasons, versus.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Don't do this that I think you know, words are
big for me and just the way that comes off
frames of conversation around this differently, And that's the I mean,
I'm sure she's passioned and believes what she's saying, but
is this the case now? Can no woman can, no
person of color, can no person from the LGBTQ plus
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community be fair or still support their own community. If
they go by the White House for a ceremony they
were invited to, if they were invited to go to
a lunch at the White House, if they were lucky
enough to if your kids got invited to the Easter
egg role, where do we cut that off?
Speaker 2 (17:57):
If your team is being honored at the White House.
You know, we've seen these types of things happened before
Shadora Sanders even went out and publicly said, Hey, I
was invited to be a part of. I forgot what
Sports Task Force Trump the Trump administration asked to be
a part of, and he wanted to let everyone know
he turned it down. But it becomes this sort of
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thing where now are you expected to not participate in
things that are holy American, that are traditional that had
been a part of this country because you don't like
who's in office, and that's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
And everybody we have to she's everybody knows that listens
to our podcast. Everyone knows Robaka's not the biggest sports
person in the world. You're talking about Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Gosh, I really screwed that.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Up saying chaudors name. People will sit up. But yes,
it was a task force that a council has. She
knows the difference between the two. She's just she was
getting going on something else. I just wanted to make
sure we clear the right.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You're right, that's how bad I am. Sports football players
well sometimes the black that's not even funny. But the
chances were okay anyway on Berley, Sorry sorry, sorry, But
the point that they even tried, and like who got
photographed playing golf with President Trump? That was another issue.
It's like, if you're black and you should not be
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photographed with Trump because now you are turning your back
on your community.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Ah, all right, And here's the thing, folks, everybody's trying
to figure out what Gloria Gainner is politics are what
she has said in the past, Well, she has said
something and even when she it came out of her mouth,
she knew it was probably gonna get her into trouble
because she had to open her mouth and say, you
know what, feminism ain't my thing.
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Speaker 1 (20:48):
All right, folks, let's continue now. Gloria Gainer a recipient
of this year's Kennedy Center Honor, and some are saying
she shouldn't accept the war because it's Trump given it
to her, so.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Broke.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
So many people are against her doing it have come
out because they're saying her anthem I Will Survive was
about marginalized communities. It was LGBTQ plus community. It's about women,
and these are groups they say have been marginalized by
this president or outright attacked. But when it comes to ropes,
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I was surprised to find this this is her, not
just this one. She has several songs that sound like
this is a lady who has absolutely got the fist
in the air on all women's issues. She is a
general now in the feminism movie, Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And I would say a lot of women who've gone
through a heartbreak or are angry at a boyfriend or
a husband or an ex or whatever, they'll sing this song.
At first, I was afraid. I was petrified, thinking I
could never live without you by my side. So it's
about female empowerment, right, So you would assume the Gloria
Gayner is a self proclaimed and proud feminist. Yes, right,
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she is iconic in the feminist movement with that song alone.
But if you actually do some research on Gloria Gainer,
she has not been quiet about this. She has been
very straightforward about this. She says the biggest misconception about her,
and she even says it may be dangerous to say this,
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but the biggest misconception, she says, is that she's a feminist.
It's incredible because she's not. She's not a feminist.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
So I kind of remember how this question was set
up to the she was doing. It was an online interview,
but yeah, that was the question, what has been like
through your whole career and at this point it's been
a long one in all those decades, she said, people
still don't get that right about her. I'm not a feminist.
That's the next quote is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
She says. People say it to me, and since you're
a feminist, dot dot dot, and she stops them, No,
not really. I love men. By the way, you can
be a feminist in love men too. I just want
to say that. But anyway, she says, I love men.
I love men who know who they are and are
strong enough to take their place, but also strong enough
to recognize a woman's strengths and who are able to
allow her to exercise those strengths and realize that we
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are to be partners and not opponents. I grew up
with five brothers, and I love men.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's an interesting take.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
What do you make of that? I, you know, I
think that you can be a feminist and love men.
I would actually say I'm a feminist and I love
men because I think some you know, we at times
need to sup to find ways to support each other
because we have been marginalized around the world. So yes,
I don't know you can define a feminist anyway. But
I think she was concerned that a lot of times
people do associate that with women who hate men or
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women who want to That's what she was saying, right,
And so she's saying, look, I love men, I have
nothing against men, even though this song obviously she was
angry at a guy. Right, she was like, you know,
I'm going to change the lock, and yes, all of that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
What I found interesting about her answer is that she
wasn't asked about feminism. She could have gone a bunch
of different directions. She chose to stand up and say
I am not a feminist. Yes, it's not a matter
of going through her career. And you know what, she
never said out loud that she is a feminist. She
decided to voluntarily say this. Good on her. Her explanation
(24:18):
is what it is. But I was surprised when I
actually saw that.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I was too. I did not know that. And she
is a strong woman of faith, that is her. She
hasn't said if she's political. Again, she says she's not
a feminist, but one thing she will say loud and
clear is that she is a woman of faith.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, and her faith has led to some questions about
how she feels about the gay community. And she has
an interview back on BBC BBC several years ago and
she made this comment about the gay community. I want
to lead them to Christ and what he has for them.
I want to lead them to him. I want to
lead them to the truth. Now. She was then about
(24:59):
asked about that Robes in a follow up interview minim
of years yet later. I think this is with NPR.
But that relevant quote, you see, I haven' highlighted day.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Oh yes, so she was asked, and actually it was
reference that some people took that to mean. When she
said I want to lead them to Christ and what
he has for them, a lot of people took that
to mean you were against homosexuality and against LGBT people.
Would you like to explain what you meant by that,
So Gayner said, I'm not against Since she laughed, she said,
(25:29):
I thought this was self explanatory what I said. I'm
not against anybody. I just am a full believer that
God knows and wants only what's best for each and
every one of us, and is the only one that
can bring it to pass if we rely on him.
That is the beginning and end of my thoughts about it.
(25:49):
So she did go on to say that she has
nephews who are gay, she has friends who are gay.
Her fan club president is gay. She said. She also
meant she and that people who work with her are gay,
so she has She says that none of them have
any misgivings or misunderstandings about how she feels about homosexuality homosexuality,
(26:14):
but she also says that they know I will go
to my grave loving them. So that was a little Well,
how did you take that? You know.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
She explained that the next one here gets me. She said,
none of it taints my ability to love them, and
I think that is what's important. Oh, she's a woman
of faith, she's not. I mean, nothing suggests she's against
the gay community or against the LGBTQ plus rights. But
you could take it for what it is. Right she
is saying or seem to suggest or doesn't seem to
(26:43):
be a full throated even if she supports the community,
at least her faith and her faith, it doesn't sound
like she is a huge endorser.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
No, she just goes back to God, goes back to
the Bible. She said that it doesn't taint her ability
to love homosexual community, but it did seem as though
she was saying she doesn't believe that that is God's plan.
But that's not up to her. I mean, that was
what the interpretation could be. She said, I agree with
the word of God from Genesis to Revelations, and I
(27:14):
would advise or hope that anyone who wants to know
what that is would read it for themselves.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
There you have, that's the extent of it of what
people trying to dig up and figure out, and who
is she and dous she lean and who she supports. Yes,
the president has, by his own admission, made this political.
Do the rest of us have to all five of
these acts? These artists, even if I at Crawford, I
(27:40):
didn't even know his name when I first heard it.
But oh the guy who originated Phantom of the Opera, well, yeah,
George strait can't damn you a single song. But I
understand kiss same thing. It's not on a playlist. Knock
yourselves out. I respect all of that, Sylvester Salon as
a no brainer. I just I love, appreciate, And I
(28:01):
was going back and was planning on watching some old
Rambo movies. I was planning on.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Rocky, one of the best films ever made, ever made,
ever made.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
And listen to Gloria again all morning this morning. I
just respect and appreciate the arts. And this is a
moment to give them the flowers, as we.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Say, I think it's an opportunity to recognize their contributions,
all of those incredible artists. And let's not care about
what their politics are. Let's not judge them for what
they believe or who they voted for, or who they
are as political people, but just as unbelievable artists who
gave us so much and deserve this moment on stage
(28:42):
and deserve this award. And I think if we yes,
I love what you just said. Trump did make this
pop political, but we don't have to. He can make
it political, but we don't have to. We don't have
to buy into that. We don't have to react to
it on that level through that lens. We can just
look at it as a to recognize I love the eighties.
(29:02):
By the way, he really went all out these all
of these artists are all from the nineteen eighties, So
you know it's he did pick a decade, and it's
a really good decade. I love the eighties.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
You know what, I forgot something I was about to
tell you to sign off here. There's a song by
Gloria Gayner that a lot of people might not know.
First be a Woman. First be a Woman is the
name of the song. I encourage all of you, after
this conversation you've heard us have and all that's going
on around her, listen to the song, First be a woman,
and then apply it to all of this. But the
(29:33):
theme of the song is essentially her talking about in
all these things, we all do the first thing you
need to be as a woman. This is another anthem,
but it starts off. You can go to Harvard, you
can be a pilot, you can be an astronaut, but
first be a woman.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's a really incredible song that goes overboard embracing feminism.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It goes over bored feminism.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Also the separation, if you will, in some traditional part
of our society.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I am I want to listen to this because this
is amazing. When he takes you for a ride, let
him open you the door, when he asks you for
a dance, let him lead you to the floor, when
he kisses you good night, and you just leave him
wanting more. You can do all you can say. I
am what I am, but first be a woman.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It's a theme like you wouldn't believe. But if a
lot of people feel that way about her, and feel
that way about her music, and feel that way about
her being a female empowerment icon, you can see why
some might be bothered. I'll play this for you all right, folks, Yes,
check out the song, First be a Woman.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
We always as sorry, We.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Always appreciate y'all hanging with us. We'll see y'all soon.
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