April 3, 2023 • 53 mins
Director Russell Mulcahy joins Holland to “Co-Captain” the recap of season 1 episode 10. Russell is the one responsible for bringing the episode to life. We’ve got details on Dylan O’Brien, horrifying tales of a coyote attack, a creepy abandoned school and…a super embarrassing moment between Holland and the crew.
Plus, Russell dishes some inside scoop on his friendship with the legendary Freddie Mercury!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Hallerback Now with me Holland Rowden and I
Hunt Radio Podcast. Hey, everybody, welcome to Hallerback Now. I'm
Holland Rowden and this is season one, episode ten called
Co Captain. And this is when Scott finds himself scrambling
to protect the people he loves, including Allison, who begins
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to follow clues about her family history and Styles begins
to close in on the mystery behind Derek's family. And
this aired on August first, twenty eleven. The writer was
Jeff Blaming And today our guest is the director pretty
much second to the throne of the teen Wolf president
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king position. So if it's not Jeff Davis, it is
Russell McKay. Hi, honey, how are you good? Thank you
so much for doing this. Appreciate she ate it? Oh
my gosh, did you? I would so? So? You and
Tim naturally so are the are the prepared ones? Right?
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Oh my god? What episode are you voting to Tim about? So?
We did Tim for nine and you for ten, and
so he was Wolf Spain and then you're Co Captain's rocket.
You know, you're basically second in command to Jeff Davis.
And I was like, if you know there's mister Team
Wolf himself. If it's not Jeff Davis, it's Russell Muka
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and so we're just I can't thank you enough for
doing this. It's been a blessing. Um. Now, I know
that you've obviously been a part of Team Wolf since
the beginning. How did you get involved initially? I don't
even know if I know this, you know what. I
heard about him my age and told me about it,
and I was very excited. And um, I was actually
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um about to do another Hallmark movie, and which is
really not my style, but I was. I was doing
a few of them, and I unluckily they got there.
They actually got delayed a couple of weeks. So I
heard about Tim Wolf and I just jumped in. I quickly.
I read the script of the pilot and I did
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these are crazy storyboards, um, about like fifteen pages of drawings,
and I put them in folders and I went to
the booking and I just handed out folders and we
had this fantastic meeting. I think I got it there
on the spot and wow, wait they gave it to wait,
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Jeff's like, it's yours on the spot pretty pretty well, Yeah,
it was. It was such a really good meeting that
the boards looked great. I mean, I was so into
it and and we just I was, yeah, we sparked
off very soon, and I was it was good. Had
had Jeff been a fan of like Rick che or Highlander,
any of any of your stuff? You know what? We
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never talking about that really. I mean, I guess it's
I don't know, but no, we never really talked about that.
But we just hit it off as like to too
sort of like crazy guys or not that younger. I mean,
very odd you are too young crazy guys. I also
feel like you guys were such I mean, maybe this
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isn't the case for you, but I feel like it
was the case for you. Was that you both are
such horror fans, like like Last Boys and Hitchcock and
classic movies that horror fantasy thrillers all that. Yes, yeah,
I feel like you and you and did you and
Jeff bond during that movie we had we had the
same dialogue, so we we could talk in many times
we're talking shorthand, um, and we understood each other very
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well about nuances of images and and and pace and
shots and the song and lighting. Um. It was very um.
We were very sort of be in tuned with each
other about that, and I think he really loved my
boards and um, sort of the the the drama, telling
the story just visually. Two. Yeah, you both you both
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are so. I mean, he's obviously a drawer as well,
so I think you probably really appreciated you coming in
with those physical drawings. Yeah, yeah, he would help out sometimes.
He's a much better figure drawer than I am. He
can really enjoy the action figures really quite superb. And
I'm more sort of an expression to think with white
and shade. Whatever you guys need to make your own
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comic book you and Jeff, like a graphic novel or
something you guys need to collaborate on together. Yeah, that
would be lovely. Well, how well, we'll talk about the
movie at the end of the episode. But this is
episode ten. Obviously you were the pilot director, and it's
quite rare. Maybe you would know more about this than me,
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but it is quite rare to only have two series
directors primarily throughout the entire the entirety of the show
for six seasons, but having only two primary directors. Yeah,
I mean in the first season, an episode of this
episode came with twelve episode season one. But season one, um,
there was you know, basically we had three directors. Um,
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there was myself, Tim Andrews, and Toby Toby. Sorry, yeah, no,
you're good, But there were three directors. I did and
we did like three episode blocks two episodes one, two, three.
Toby would jump into three, four five Tim and then
I'll do ten, eleven, twelve, um, and we had one ad.
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So he did the whole show. I remember on the
steps of the school location around about episode eleven. Uh,
he was in tears. I mean he was lovely man,
but it was It was a lot of fun, a
lot of fun. And how were you know through seasons two, three, four,
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five six, how was prep shooting Prepp and shooting like
how did how long were you thinking about other episodes
down the down the line? What was your process like
preparing for apps? Basically, Well, when when we were doing
the season one we were prepping three episodes at once,
so it was pretty intense. Um and luckily we in
those we had some scripts in advance. That that good.
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Some we did it. Yes, as the seasons went on,
the scripts would turn up, like the morning of Jeff
Jeff's a perfectionist, not because he wasn't prepared. He just
really wanted it to be perfect. Yeah, but there was
a lot of prep. But I mean it must have
been the mean. Season one, we had such a great team. Also.
We had Jonathan Hall, the EP, the cinematographer, a young
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man twenty five years old and a brilliant I loved
the blushes on John Kreshman. Beautiful. Yeah, And one of
my favorite things I gave in episode ten and we
see it throughout the season one. Um a little in
season two UM is Derek's Hale House. The Hale House.
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It was such a wonderful creep. We loved that Sat
walked up and old cute us to John the production designer,
and because we're trying to sort of word having even
afford to do this, we had no money. An if
you had this location with an old red barn, and
he said, I'll just clad the barn and so it
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was basically so there was no big structure. He said,
it's basically just put the side and lift it basically
or nailed it up to the barn. And we had
a house from one angle, but you can shoot it
from like yeah, yes, basically one angle it's the old
Hitchcock Psycho. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I definitely um
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Derek's house. I'll never forget when we all got to
walk up as a cast and see it, and uh
and every magazine shoot that would come to photograph us
for the first season, We're like, let's do it in
front of Derek's house. And so I think I think
teen Vogue or Nylon magazine at the time. Yeah, and
they and they, you know, the soon as the photographer
saw the location. Yeah, yeah, this is definitely know it's
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It's one of my favorite favorite moments in that episode
ten is when Jackson Um is brought to the house
by and then there's a big shootout with the with
the Hunters, and we'll definitely get to that now. The
first episode starts with you fade down from the crowd
into the lacrosse scene. How was this your first time
shooting a lacrosse No? No, no, no no, No. Lacrosse was big,
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I mean, I think in episode no, No No, but
in general is this team Wolf was the first time
he's shot lacrosse? Of course, of course the first time
the lacrosse has been used in maybe um in the
show in a way because you know, An the original
Team Wolf movie ums basketball, and so Jeff wanted to
get away from the basketball thing, and he I think
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when he went to school they played lacrosse, so he
always wanted to put lacrosse in. It's sort of a
sexy game and it's a little more violent and a
sexy game to shoot, really hard to shoot actually really yeah, yeah,
because it's I mean a lot of times with the
actors and everything else, and it's just to make it
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energetic for film, you really have to bend the rules
a little in the game. Also, um, you made it
look so easy because you made it look so action packed. Yeah.
A lot of me and j D running up wrong,
pass the camera saying left right, and we'd all lose
our voice by the end of the night because we
just um yeah. But luckily it was freezing cold. We
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shot in Atlantic in winter, so it was bloody cold,
and so the best thing to do was just to
run and shout and keep warm. No one. No one
stood around a f about things too, but it's just like,
let's just keep going and keep shooting. Smartness is one
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of my favorite podcasts with Sean Hayes and Jason Bateman
and Will Arnett, and they say for the layman terms
of like people that are not in entertainment business will
have certain terms that will use like block you know,
block shooting, or a D, which is the first assistant
director and they're the one that was JD that they're
the ones that really organized set for the director. And
(10:36):
if you have a scheduling conflict, you better go talk
to that AD, yeah, the person in command. So so yeah,
the AD is usually one of the busiest people on set.
Like you just mentioned block. Block shooting is what we
were doing. We were shooting three episodes once, so everyone
knows that. So for example, we're at the school location,
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which was that the first couple of seasons was actually
out of school. There was no set um part from
the locker room, but abandoned school, wasn't it abandoned school? Yeah? Yeah,
And so in block shooting, we would shoot every school
scene for those three episodes lay upon day, and you
girls and little guys would just keep changing costumes and dangel,
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what's the scene, Okay, what's happened before this? So like
make sure the actors just can memorize their lines for
that many episodes because that as a company moves for
that many times is not going to be pe. So
this is UM. On smart List, they use Sean Haynes's
aunt and it's someone in It's like Tracy and Maryland
and so so posey made up. Well, we're gonna have
Kimberly and Michigan. So for Kimberly and Michigan block shooting
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and uh and a ding is you know, UM just
terms that that are very important on the teen Wolf
set at least UM and a D for every show.
But I think again, I just like to say, I'm
watching the episode ten the other night, first time you
like ted something whatever, and um, it's got one of
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the most charming scenes with you in Crystal and I
saw it would Yeah, it just made me smile. Just
the way you to performance, the way you're dressed for
your little white gloves. It's freezing cold. You see the
breath coming out of your mouth and you're in the
skirt a little. It's so sweet and fabulous. And I
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remember shooting that you both look gorgeous, and the colors
around it was just a love light was so lovely
like and just sometimes you should be staying you go
to the magic just happened to go, Oh my god,
it's so good to see that scene with you in Crystal.
I actually remember when the camera was a single on
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me and you were like, you know it it was
a push in or you but just was pushing yeah, yeah,
and it was the uh you know, it was this
little I remember making that sound and you go, you know,
it was so cute, and that was actually I just
I loved, I loved I remember that moment and I
was like, you think you got it? Yeah, so moving on,
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moving on, yeah, and so yeah, it's funny. I remember
actually that take in any real reaction. And then and
then I think the next shot was a citicam down
the road and you've got the buddy high heels on
and down. That was a rough road and you're trying
to catch up the Crystal and the movie back quite
fast because we keeping up with her. She's pushing the
camera right right as I usually am, as I usually
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It was. It was a great it was a great,
great morning. Oh well. One thing I love is that
you guys have used the art of the fan so
much in episodes, and this episode had a lot of
bird's eye views coming down, like when the dream you know,
dreaming with Alison in bed. You had Scott also dreaming
of of the sort of not premonitions, but what had
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happened to you in to Peter Hill. Yeah, so how
did how did you guys know that you wanted to
use all those fans shots like the one in the
locker room was the that was the first one in
this this episode. Well, I guess yeah, I mean, I
my roots are basically back in music videos. Um oh,
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we're gonna get to that, Russell. I'm just saying that
some of the scene nature sort of styles of me
was um wind and fans and cellos and and and
those of techniques creative visual emotion. So I guess it's
in my um mental true Bass, I'm sure, I'm sure.
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Just Jeff such a textual person, you know, he texturized person.
He really likes the visual and so the music in
this scene was on this episode was so great, justing
ting ting, ting, ting, ting ting ting. You know, it's
just it's so fun. It's so creepy and so fun
at the same time. Yeah, see in the locker room
when the ball comes out and he finds Derek and
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then Peter Chon behind it. Yeah, it's a lovely tense scene,
just three guys in this place with the light and
sweat and all that and three tense and when the
one thing I always manages to do and sometimes he'll
take it away, which is powerful, but he nine eighty
ninety percent at the time. He's a little funny. He's
so charming and fun at the same time, and so uh,
(15:27):
you know, I love that he says, we're not going
to kill everyone, We're just going to kill the ruins responsible.
You know. He always acts like he's doing you a favor,
and I thought that was a really nice touch to
put up. He's so good in an episode when he
when he when he when he arrives for the date
with with with with Melissa McCall. Yeah, it's previous. Yeah,
And I think he's so creepy and that one in
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the car he gets pretty scary. I agree, like, oh, yeah,
very creepy with the skin And have you ever seen
the movie Little Children? Yes, Jack Earil Haley. Yeah, he
reminds me like there's an aspect of that with just
like this talking about the skin and yeah, and you
can just see him turn, you can just see him. Yeah,
it's like it's like that meets like Silence of the Lambs.
(16:13):
It's those two villains of just talking about how that
skin is so translucent. So that that was really great. Um.
But yeah, so the cold open, I have to say
it was probably one of my favorites of the season
with that, and you actually feel quite bad for for
Peter Hale and those flashbacks with the shower scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And so I think that's the first time the audience
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in the season is really starting to see more of
Peter Hale's backstory. Yeah, those little flashbacks. Maybe we were
on some sets there. I was gonna say, how did
you do the flashback sequence? Because there's so many shots.
I mean, I I don't know if I'd storyboarder pretty
storyboarding and shot listed it, but we couldn't all shoot
it all at once that schedule. So a lot of
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the times it was like, okay, we're here, if we
go into this room here, we can do two shots
for the flashback, okay, and just say little pieces like
you're saying. Yeah. Over the a couple of weeks, we
eventually got material. I mean, I remember we're at Derek's
house the exterior and we're shooting. It was like five
ah in the morning. It was just sunrise and it
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was tired, and I said, let's get some people under
the house and do the do the hands coming out
of the bars as they voted to it, and then
you come at tracks in and approvily, Oh god, can't
you used to do this on stage? And let's go
home and we got the shot was great. You guys
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are all kids. It's so funny. Everyone on Genius a
kid man, it's hilarious. Well, I love the open, the
opening scene, after the cold open of the upside down
kiss and the Spider Man moment and everything was what
made you want to do everything shadowed between Scott Win
Allison was dreaming and then he comes up the way,
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but it was all in shadow, all in silhouette. I
should say, yeah, well, I just wanted to keep it abstract.
It was a semi dream and and yeah, I just
didn't want to do a normal entrance, you know, surprised, beautiful,
more surprising him coming in that way and so artistic,
just just everything silhouetted upside down and then mother Bird's
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Eye and then him coming from the single. Yeah, it's
quite beautiful. Yeah, yeah, I liked that. Um So the
next scene that that stuck out to me was the
Porsche scene. And I was gonna say, was this this
is the infamous you know Russell's We could afford the
Hondas and the Hondas, And there's a story about because
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Jeff I had, I had I was leading a Porsche
nine to eleven mm hm, and Jeff had had bought
a pause box. It is blue. I remember this. Remember Toby.
It was Toby that was looking around. He wanted there
was a certain scene in one of his episodes, and
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he looked at Jeff's Porsche and he was about to
go with it, but I drove up and he went, actually,
yours angles better in focused and I thought it was
just gonna be for one episode. I was not thinking,
and I said, okay, yeah, you can use my car.
Guess what I had to be on set every day
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if even though I wasn't directing with that car, and
usually the port ended up being the last shot. I
had no idea that about that. It was disaster. I
was like, I didn't bind me on the end of day,
but wait, when you were you got thirty minutes of
sleep Because you're also like Jeff and Joe hoping for
(19:53):
the last shot, like and I my home. Here is
the director waiting for my car to be wrapped. So
but let's see you're talking about with the boors when
Jackson drives it down and does some wheelies. Yeah, I
was thinking, yeah, yeah, that's cool. We had the sun
guy and it comes out and make it spectacular time.
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And but we didn't realize though, these sort of like
metal spikes to cut that concrete haven't really been checked,
so it tore the tires, sweat the tires. I just
was going to ask you about your tires in general
from doing those kind of wheelies, but I had no
idea that the concrete had spikes on it. Yeah, so
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um yeah that that proved that be a little expensive.
Did hopefully hopefully you reimburse for your tires? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh my lord. So it has your car ever been
in a project since or now? Yeah, that was the
first of the last time I will say that its Yeah,
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it looked amazing though. I think they just we really
hit our our groove. I felt like in teen Wolf
and that between him and then and then as styles,
did you did you study cam that? How Argent walks
around the car because I love just how you moved
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with Argent. It was it felt very sort of dominant
with him show. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Depending who I'm
interviewing for the episode, I'm always sort of cluing in
on whether it be the acting or the production design
or the you know, the dping or the directing, and
so that's something that stuck out for me this time
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watching it back. Um and for the narrative aspect of
the podcast for those at home, I walk everyone through
the episode. Um So, Alison overhears her family in the
garage and slumps down, and then at the very end,
Kate realizes, oh, you know, Alison is in the car.
We do see her peers out, um over this like
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cylindrical bullet special sort of spear flash bob the flash
bolt thing. Yeah exactly. Um So, I thought that was
a fun scene that Alison's finding more out about her
fans think basically cages getting herd of discover these devices,
but she eventually uses in episode twelve. Yes, I think so.
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I think Alison fires the flash bolt, have some blinds
and for seconds, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was
a lot of foreshadowing in this episode coming a versa,
which is gearing up to the pinnacle of the action. Right. Um, yeah,
I think I think two thirds of the way through
first season, I've really been, you know, enjoying rewatching these episodes, um,
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because it's the episodes I sometimes forget and then I'm like, wait,
this is when the action really starts to get going.
I I've forgotten episode ten because I always loved episode eleven,
the school dance. It was a very hard decision of
do we do we have Russell on for eleven or ten?
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Because I almost asked then you know what, it was
really good and I loved there was a lot of
like special shots that were really beautiful that were a
choice by the director. And um, but I remember eleven
with all of these crane shots around the around the dance.
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But we'll get to that. I I know if you
if I also was debating, um we have a I
can't stay it on air, but I'll tell you after
who we have for eleven. And I was like, oh,
I wonder if Russell will come back for eleven and
two a guest because I anyhow, I just I it
was really hard to choose because all of your episodes, Yeah,
we we always look forward to them, just because they're
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so action packed and your brain works in such an
abstract way, like it's just it's a puzzle that I
will never be able to figure out, and it comes
together so beautifully. It's a dance all of your episodes, um,
with the amount of action you're able to fit in, um,
and all the different ways you shoot him. But the
next scene is when um, so Scott and Styles pull up.
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I I just watching it back. Dylan is just so delightful.
Um that jep guys cheep cheep. Yeah. And then you
know he's he's able to go big at certain points.
But then some of these deadpan lines, like when he's
sitting at the table pouring his dad whiskey, and you know,
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Jeff writes that amazing line about something along the lines
of like, you know, I'm going to the circle. What
is it the circle in the lowest circle of hell?
You know, something like that, you know I will be
at the depths of hell. Um, just so deadpanned. It
was hilarious getting his dad drunk so he can get
more information out of him. Um. But yes, then there's
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the scene that is in the woods that we were
talking about earlier that I, Um, I I it's so fun.
I remember driving to set, and I remember even like
where Crystal and I would go get lunch afterwards if
that was our last scene that day. Um, just a
lot of fond memories of how cold it was yeah
heels um, and just how excited we were to be there.
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It just felt like a suspended reality for us of
how it worked. Well you two girls were, you bounced
off each other very well as it's bizarre watching it back,
just I just have so many memories and just, um,
you know how much Lydia really had an arc over
the course of the show. Um, I'm really able to
(25:43):
see that at this point, um watching it back ten
years later. Yeah, um, tazing Scott, how did you guys
set up that shot? Yeah? That was again. I think
we shot it pretty quickly too. I think we were
and hum. But yeah, it was. It was fun. It was.
(26:04):
It turned out a really nice little scene that Yeah,
the two of them just that. It was again, I
think visually it's nothing special. You know, there's some nice
creepy little shots and then the tazy happens, but then
it really is down to the two actors. The chemistry
was incredible. Try that. It really comes across, you know, simplicity.
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Oh well, and then whose idea was it? When Melissa
mccaull comes in and says, there was a sales wrap,
a medical sales rep. But I'm gonna go on a
date with this guy. Of why she's so dressed up?
Was it Jeff's idea or was it someone else in
the writer's room? Where did you find out? When did
you get wind of? Like, oh, you know, Peter Hale
and McCall are going to go on a date. Um.
(26:52):
I thought that was a really good twist in the story.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it just came up. No,
I'm not sure when the idea came um, but it
was damn good idea. Yeah. Yes, I love watching the
actors that are not usually in the scene together being
a scene together. Yeah. And then and then and then
we go downstairs and the interior downstairs is actually the
(27:14):
interior of the real house. Oh I didn't know that. Okay,
so you shot in two different days. Yeah, well, yeah,
we shot. We had shot the hexteria the house a
few times in the pilot, and where it's the blue house,
we craned up to the window and you've seen a
few times in in season one the exterior. That interior
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is the real house. Um, and which is surprising that
you see it because then in season two, I think
we built it a house we built because this season
one we only we had his bedroom. I'm trying to
oh that's right, Yeah, I forgot about that season. True,
we had a kitchen, I think, yes, and then and
(27:58):
then obviously we need to La. We had we had
the living room in the kitchen, yeah, and the staircase.
But you know, the La set, the season three set
had nothing to do with the interior set, which is right,
which is it's very it's very old school gothicky knows saying,
(28:20):
right totally. I remember I do remember when we got
to God, we got to La and we're like, um,
Melissa McCall is doing good at the hospital. She had
to redecorate. She had this huge living room in a
huge kitchen. Yeah. I do remember that specifically. It's like, well,
things are going well at the hospital for Melissa. Um,
(28:41):
I do remember that. So, uh, the Fender Bender incidences
of Beacon Hills. Yeah, but we filmed through which we
filmed through the rain, and if you watch closer you'll
see Melissa's here. It's getting wetter and wetter in various shots.
I didn't even notice that funny when we had to
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shoot it. Someone's coming out and it was just by
the bullet. Here we go and and they one. Yeah
it was. It was so rating. Yes, well, and I
love I love that. Um, you had to work with
the jeep a lot in this in this episode, and
you love the jeep. There's a lot of mixed feelings
on the jeep. How often did the jeep actually work
when it was supposed It's worse than an animal or
(29:22):
a baby. It never worked when it was supposed to.
Oh no, no, no, no, the jeep was jeep was
a beautiful girl. I mean she was great. I'd never
say anything bad about the geep. Oh you would, okay, okay,
other people had said a lot of bad things. I
do remember it being twenty you know, I know I
(29:44):
heard I heard a couple of years later that to
it for the film. Yeah, oh that's great. I didn't
know about that. Yeah, that's great. Um, oh that's that's
that's lovely. I think the fans would love to hear that.
I didn't know that. Um, he still had it and
that's how that happened. Was I did give the jeep
to the film. Yeah, sorry, I couldn't make it, but
(30:04):
here's the jeep. Yeah, I'm hearing spirit right. Yeah. I
like that. I think people would be happy to know that. Um.
So the next scene is back at Derek's house, and
I love when you know, like you said, but when
Jackson and Derek have that face off. And I do
love that Derek's always lurking in the you know, in
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the shadows obviously through a season one and yeah, and
I love that he just schools Jackson on saying, you know,
no one cares about all of these super things. And
you know what, I can't believe because I watched it.
I can't believe. The pacing there is really lovely and
quite slow, and there's great pauses in between these as
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you know, these shows had to be forty maximum forty
two minutes because we were commercials, so a lot of
times we would he had to say, can we just
talk a little fast, because definitely me, I talk fast,
but I would take long time because we didn't want
(31:06):
to cut things out. But I was surprised when I
saw that scene in that there's look quite the pauses
before people would answer back because it's quite moody and
normally the show it's very hard to get those quiet moments. Um,
these days I'm streaming with there's no commercials. You can
(31:29):
have a good time thirty seconds of twenty seconds of
silence and just yeah um but yeah, yeah, it's native.
These shows these days are are truly mini movies with
how much money there and you can't you can Yeah,
your pacing is not controlled by time factor. M Yeah.
We were one of the last on the last front
(31:51):
tier of shows that were We're like that that had
that remonstrative of of commercials. Right, So many of the
teenage shows these days are on streamers. So yeah, now
when Scott's is at the top of the stairs and
does that big jump, I would love to get Spider
(32:11):
our stunt double gout stunt, double yeah back on the
show because he was incredible. Wells out of the window
in the pilot and he hit the puddle take one
one take. Um, he was the one running through the
forest on the wires. I mean he then yeah and
(32:32):
he blew up. He was he was I think just
had gotten here from Brazil from what I understand. Yeah, Yeah,
he's doing like Spider Man and all the wonderful movies. Yeah,
and so we knew that he was special. We all
knew he was special. But you and Spider had a
great relationship. And I'll never forget him sticking that first
(32:53):
from the second story. No why I don't remember. There's
no there was not no no wires and he sticks,
like you said, in that puddle. It splashed up and
then he looks up perfectly. And I I was there
for that shot, even though I wasn't in the scene.
I remember your reaction, uh to that beautiful joy. It
(33:14):
was just well and it was funny. He walked up
to me on his phone. He's incredible and so um
was that him jumping from the from Yeah, yeah, and
again he was on season two and we did buved
a lot of stunts and things around. Yeah, and that
that would be sort of really written into the story. Ah. Yeah,
(33:35):
Spider Spider doesn't get enough shout out credit because he's
he's absolutely agree lovely, lovely man. Um. I had a
lot of fun. He also just cracked me up. For
as talented as he was. Yes, he was so devoted
to jumping around so the bullets when you guys do
just for people at home when they're could not the
front door one, but before we get to the front door,
(33:58):
you just see like sparks flying across and that's how
you guys chose to shoot that. Yeah, what were you
guys using? Was that? Was that special effects or was
that something practical across the screen? UM? I think probably
Again time, I think there was shooting. UM that was
actual shooting those pellets. I don't think I was ever
(34:23):
at least that in season one. I wasn't part of
it that those scenes with with the with the like
how did you guys do the pellets across screen? Would
like there not be an actor in there? Or was
there an actor on the other side, or how did
how did you guys do you guys? That could have
been an effect? Okay, and then the ones in the
front door electronic um spot things whatever the UM it
(34:48):
was very old school. There was no CG or anything.
I do remember there was looking back at some of
the some of the practicals were incredible, and then some
of the CGI, like when um Holton would have there's
like a blood thing that almost looked like it was
on top of the screen, and I was like Wow,
effects have come so far in fourteen years. That's incredible.
You forget the wolves, the wolf's bane shot when he
(35:11):
last episode, when he had taken it out of his neck. Um,
there was Yeah, some of those practicals just literally made
my skin and crawl still to this day. Um. Special
effects are definitely somebody we're gonna hopefully have on at
some point. Um. So the next scene is Alison waiting
in the room waiting for Scott to come back. Right,
(35:33):
she gets the text that you know from Kate, this
is we need to talk, and cuts back to the
woods and then the house. You know, Scott gets shot.
Derek says run and he passes out to Alison, you know,
saying Alison, and that's when we come in with Seth
Gilliam playing Oh yes, yeah, that was a great great entrance,
wasn't because you see you see Scott being carried exactly
(35:57):
and you assume to the Derek Peter or someone. Yeah,
but and then you cut to the Alophos of the
Sith who who says most of the work on cuts
and doves and the time. Yeah. Mostly. Yeah, it was
(36:17):
such a fun, such a fun entrance, And so that
was his first entrance wasn't it. That was that was well, yes,
I'm sure no, I think we had with him. He's
had He's had a couple other scenes, and but this
(36:37):
was the first time we're seeing him come into the
supernatural world of Peter Hills. And um, I love The Wire.
The Wire is one of my favorite shows and Seth
was in the Wire so um fun, fun guy to
happen him come in. I was very star struck. Oh,
I think everyone I know personal I was. I was
(36:58):
just blessed with such a great cast. It may come
in to work just you're happy a bit, matter how
hard the day he's going to be. It was just like,
I really enjoy work with these people. It's guys some fun,
you know. I try to make it at least painful.
You got to you, Oh, it was so much fun.
And I love how well you were such a technical
(37:20):
director and really saw how the camera was going to
move and the shots and the lenses and it was
just fun watching you. I learned so much from you
in storytelling of your place as an actor and when
you watch it back, how much of the narrator is
all the director and we are you know, the meat
(37:42):
puppets as you says. Some people say, have you heard
about this the actor? Yeah, there was a USC film
professor that would call the actors meat puppets to the
camera department, you know, people studying to be dps and
so yeah, yeah, and they're like, so what you gonna
do is care meat puppets and you move over here
and so and so it's true. I mean there's a
(38:05):
you know, there was a lot of shots that were
just it's it's just interesting to be a piece of
the puzzle. And then you can you get to step
back when you when I watched it back and and
see it what you know, you guys were really creating. Um,
it was really cool. You were the first one to
really teach me that. And I got to see it
day in and day out for months on end. It
was the best film school I could go to. Um.
(38:26):
Now we end the episode underground. This was such a
fun way to end the episode. That beautiful like it
almost looks like water on Crystal's face. Yeah, what made
y'all want to use that light? It was such a
beautiful shot. Just such a moment of the show. Walking
up to see the you know, another werewolf for the
(38:47):
first time. Um, it was it was. I love it.
I love that technique of broken mirrors in the glass.
It's such an easy technique. And the fifth is just
quite wonderful. We were subterranean and I sort of went back.
I just remember this this video I did with Spander
Valley True and we did the same effect and it
(39:08):
was just so good. And so it's just a broken
mirror and special mirror and put in a trade of
water and you just keep moving the trade to move
the water, and the camera can just pick up the
movement of that light in anyway you want to smooth
the light around and make it more in change the
less intensitive and color whatever. Smashed mirror and water, broken mirror, Yeah,
(39:31):
broken mirror. And I don't know, you can't you can't
have any sort of like concerns about breaking mirror. Oh
I you just have someone else to do it, did you?
Did you break the mirror? Yeah? It worked out well
for you. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then of course
to end it on the and Kate Kate was Jill
(39:53):
Wagner such a brilliant fun person to play. Kat ar
jed saying, isn't it's making actually suddle good? Then? Uh? Yeah?
A couple of shots beforehand it was given. I think
we changed it because we shot him was like, oh um,
but I think his makeup was starting to it too
a while to get that makeup really good, you know. Well,
(40:16):
I remember there was a lot of makeup tests for Scott,
for for Tyler, for both Tyler's and that what looked cheesy,
what looks scary, what looks sexy? Yeah, yeah, we always
wanted him to be scary and sexy. Yeah, that's a
really hard line it was. And um, yeah, I remember
(40:39):
there were early some of the early episodes, on the
first couple of episodes, Um, he commend the ease to
be too big and chef with the pair of sis.
So it was yeah, we didn't like. Yeah, we just
didn't have the the the time, all the internal research
(41:03):
to like. So it was it was learned as we
go and developed as you go. So you'll notice as
the series went on, Um, the makeup deverbs and gets
really you know, m pretty good. Now, when did you
(41:25):
hear that there was going to be a movie. How
did that come about for you? Why didn't know about
the movies? I heard about the movie in around the
pandemic time, so that early, like like twenty maybe maybe
maybe it couldn't been at late twenty nine, twenty twenty,
and I found out I think October was it twenty one?
(41:47):
You heard? I heard October twenty one, and then we
started shooting what was it, February March twenty two, ray two. Yeah, no,
I had it before then. Um, but then there was
all the Apollo case because we actually started radio a
whole different script. Oh wow, Yeah, I didn't know that
there was another team of script Yeah. I mean Alison
(42:09):
was always going to come back. That was a that
was always but yeah, obviously Salves was in it. Oh right,
right right. It's hard to write a script before you
know what actors are going to be in your movie.
Yeah it's a reunion movie. Then Sly couldn't do it.
Yeah yeah, so then you had to read and then
(42:31):
and then it so yeah, it was it was a
it was a moving yeah, saw puzzle for quite a
while as the story was being put together. Yeah, it
was tough. It's tough when you're you're moving studios and
then having to work out deals because there's obviously for
(42:52):
the fans at home, there's a there's a whole business
for for Kimberly in Michigan. There's the business of of
teen Wolf and not just the storytelling creative aspects. Yeah,
it's hard to write a script when you don't know
what deals are closed or who can do it or
who's available. So it's it. Um, there's a lot of Yeah,
there's a lot of script changes through the beginning of shooting. Um.
(43:15):
And that was really stressful, I know for everybody, and
so obviously the director it's it's it's it's and it's
a hard tast to take on and very stressful for
as well. So um, so that's you know, that's the
behind the scenes that makes it hard. But I know
that everyone was really really really grateful and happy to
be there, and I hope you felt that. Yeah, yeah,
(43:36):
and so it was it was a lot of fun.
Now you and I have a fellow in comment named
Thomas Cockerell. Oh you shot in like Flynn about Rod
fed Yes, yes, before he became a famous actor. Quite
lovely wonderfulector he spoke very highly of. He was like,
(43:57):
I know Russell and and uh yeah, because you were
born in Melbourne, Australia, right, and how what were you
doing music videos back in Australia. Oh, I did ac
DC and then but then I shipped off. Someone sent
me off to England in seventy nine. Punk band. How
was How was the How is Britain in the eighties?
It probably so much fun? Yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah,
(44:20):
it was such a time. Meant, I was only meant
to me there for two weeks, and so I went
off to do this punk band in Birmingham, a punk
band called Koo. Titles like Gabo and the Death Cheagers
Gabbo and the What Death Cheagers Death Yeah, And so
there I am in England, never been, never been out
(44:41):
of Australia. So I'm there and and I took my
mate with me, the caraman, and we do this video
and then he hit the back. But they asked me
to stay for a while and maybe do a little video.
And I just left my flat in Sydney and let's
let's the milk in the fridge. I was become for
(45:03):
two weeks anyway, and end up I was away for
two years and that milk just turned to bottom place.
But yeah, I said, And all of a sudden I
was in LA doing videos in New York and it
just goes on from there, did it just feel like
the craziest summer camp of all time? Going back and
(45:23):
forth like that crazy summer crime and yes and the
but yeah, everything just got bigger because there s to
you know, I did the first video on an MGB
video killed the radios and then and you won the
Vanguard Award, the Michael Award. How was that? It's tarnished.
It needs a polished now. That was fun. That was fun.
(45:45):
It was the same year that David Byrne won, like
he's such a nine one nine one. I think it
was a one with me. But it was a Radio
City musical which was attactulate and I am drank, come on,
introduced me, blah blah blah, I go up. I had
(46:06):
this bloody stupid English designer suit on and as I
clan says, my rips open what pants? Stage rip open?
Yeah and turn and I have a very quick speech
and girl stage no. Yeah. Meanwhile, backstage they had one
(46:31):
statue or two statues, and um, they keep and they
hand it off in the shop and they take it away.
That's what I hear. She's backstage. It's my big Tina
turned didn't want to give it up. It's mine it's mine,
that is. I love backstage. Oh, backstage in a music
(46:55):
show is a whole other ball game. In backstage at
a at a at an acting show. It's it's quite fun.
I mean I got to be offline on the wall
of obviously the Video Music Awards that MTV would host
every year, and I wouldn't have been there otherwise as
an actor if I hadn't been acting on MTV. So
I'll never forget standing next to Lady Gaga the red carpet,
(47:17):
which I don't think will ever happen again. And she
was wearing her meat dress that year, and I remember
just looking at it being like is it meat? And
and uh and then you know, the next day you
hear all the hoop law about it. Um, but she
was so lovely and I remember I almost stepped on
her meat dress and and yeah and and and she
turned around the same time like ohimes, and she was
(47:38):
so lovely. She think it's okay, it's okay. And um
but anyway, yeah, it was. It was a funny a
funny night. But what was your like When you think
about think back to your your music video days as
well as your Team Wolf days, what are the first
things that come to mind for you. I mean you
got back. I mean it's like, well, I did a
bit of cool um um with Duran under like a
(48:00):
wolf uh huh, and we shot that Shranka and I
came back and we I got a phone call from
this producer in Australia saying, oh, I just saw the video.
Do you want to come to Stralia and do a movie?
And I was like wow, And that's how that crossover happened. Yeah,
and I said, yes, yes, of course. What's are about? So?
(48:23):
I was about a giant kill a pig and I
went great, So off I went on in my first movie. Um,
so I crossover happened. I mean, and you know this,
maybe at that point in time, we're not a lot
of them because you know, McGee and other music video
directors went on to do huge features at that point
(48:44):
in time. Was that a new conceptic? Were you one
of the first big music video directors to cross over?
I kind of, because I mean the next onie, I
did the video of the Wild Boys, a game with
durand Durand and I was offered Highlander, and so I
went off and did Highlander. So around, so many people
have a crush on you for Highlander. It's it's such
a moment. What I get star struck about is Freddie
(49:16):
Murcury and I know you guys were close. Yeah, um,
but you know, he was such a talented guy. I
know it must have been interesting as his friend and
then and seeing him as an artist as well. Yeah, yeah,
yeah he was. Um, he was. He's very much not
a diver. He was just as generally talented, nice man. Um,
(49:40):
just great to be around and very generous and we'll
have fun. Gritz it's humor. Yeah, well I could. I
could see, like you're such a lovable bear always. But yeah,
I just it would have not been the same without you,
My god, it would I don't think it would have existed.
I think you know, Tim said he was such a
big fan and it was one of the biggest reasons
(50:01):
he came on the show. Was obviously he an I know,
I mean, Jeff Davis, um, he's he's the goldfather of
the he is. But I'm telling you, guys, you're a
tight knit group, as you know, absolutely absolutely, you know,
I so many people look up to you, and I
(50:23):
know I Tim just was so He's like I couldn't
believe I had studied everything Russell did, and I was
so nervous, and I thought, Okay, this is my moment.
I'm going to really just watch how he does everything.
And I was like, well, Tim, you crushed it too.
I saw your episodes, but it was really cool to
see just so many different perspectives. But to see Tim's
(50:43):
about you was also pretty neat. Um, we all just
love you. We love your Russell, and we thank you
so much for the time. Oh do you have any
lasting impressions of teen Wolf. I've always loved, always loved
teen Wolf, you know, I mean, uh, it's it holds
a very special place in my heart. Um. And then
and the good thing is I'm still friends with you guys,
(51:07):
you know, yeah, you, especially you and then Til and
in It's it's just wonderful to keep that friendship means
a lot because yeah, we spent a lot of time together,
we did, and you and I are neighbors. I love
that you guys. He doesn't live in his house anymore,
but but he used to. He still owns it. And
and I love that you guys are right across the streets.
(51:29):
But he lost doing that bloody Western Yeah, oh yeah,
he can't. You can't tear him out of Montana yellow
Stone something I don't know, maybe with chaps and ride horses.
And I took my van up there for two months
and lived outside a glace shirt. Month. Don't live in
the van anymore, are you? No? No, I was in
it for thirteen months. I knowes. I was six am.
(51:54):
The sun was not up yet. We were into Pea
Canyon and um, I was waiting for the uber and
the ubers don't go up there often, or at least
not on time. And yeah, three coyotes with about six
in the background approached us. That's a pack. You know,
they were divided you two, but the three were sort
of like inquiring with the six probably twenty feet behind
(52:15):
them and the luggage. I'll never forget. Fiful starting to
kind of growl, and then she very quickly realizes that
doesn't necessarily smell like a dog and started to crawl
up my leg and I'm holding her like all thirty
six long inches of her, and I'm trying to put
the big suitcase between myself and Fiful and then the
coyotes and she's whimpering, and I'm like, get God, and
(52:36):
you're trying to make myself big and stomp and um,
and I'm thinking, like nine of these can take Fifilani down.
And right at that moment, as the six were starting
to come closer and the three were right at that
luggage that the uber came. It was it was like
a team we've seen. Actually it was Lydia. Oh yeah yeah.
(52:56):
And then well, hopefully I'll have a game night soon
and I'd love for you to come. I'm finally back
in my house and getting settled in and yeah right, well, okay,
all right, thank you for your time today. I really
appreciate it. It would not be the same without you.
(53:17):
Very read to see you all right, Love you ye,
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This is Hallerback Now with me Holland Rowden and I
Hunt Radio Podcast. Hey, everybody, welcome to Hallerback Now. I'm
Holland Rowden and this is season one, episode ten called
Co Captain. And this is when Scott finds himself scrambling
to protect the people he loves, including Allison, who begins
(00:23):
to follow clues about her family history and Styles begins
to close in on the mystery behind Derek's family. And
this aired on August first, twenty eleven. The writer was
Jeff Blaming And today our guest is the director pretty
much second to the throne of the teen Wolf president
(00:48):
king position. So if it's not Jeff Davis, it is
Russell McKay. Hi, honey, how are you good? Thank you
so much for doing this. Appreciate she ate it? Oh
my gosh, did you? I would so? So? You and
Tim naturally so are the are the prepared ones? Right?
(01:12):
Oh my god? What episode are you voting to Tim about? So?
We did Tim for nine and you for ten, and
so he was Wolf Spain and then you're Co Captain's rocket.
You know, you're basically second in command to Jeff Davis.
And I was like, if you know there's mister Team
Wolf himself. If it's not Jeff Davis, it's Russell Muka
(01:33):
and so we're just I can't thank you enough for
doing this. It's been a blessing. Um. Now, I know
that you've obviously been a part of Team Wolf since
the beginning. How did you get involved initially? I don't
even know if I know this, you know what. I
heard about him my age and told me about it,
and I was very excited. And um, I was actually
(01:54):
um about to do another Hallmark movie, and which is
really not my style, but I was. I was doing
a few of them, and I unluckily they got there.
They actually got delayed a couple of weeks. So I
heard about Tim Wolf and I just jumped in. I quickly.
I read the script of the pilot and I did
(02:16):
these are crazy storyboards, um, about like fifteen pages of drawings,
and I put them in folders and I went to
the booking and I just handed out folders and we
had this fantastic meeting. I think I got it there
on the spot and wow, wait they gave it to wait,
(02:37):
Jeff's like, it's yours on the spot pretty pretty well, Yeah,
it was. It was such a really good meeting that
the boards looked great. I mean, I was so into
it and and we just I was, yeah, we sparked
off very soon, and I was it was good. Had
had Jeff been a fan of like Rick che or Highlander,
any of any of your stuff? You know what? We
(02:57):
never talking about that really. I mean, I guess it's
I don't know, but no, we never really talked about that.
But we just hit it off as like to too
sort of like crazy guys or not that younger. I mean,
very odd you are too young crazy guys. I also
feel like you guys were such I mean, maybe this
(03:18):
isn't the case for you, but I feel like it
was the case for you. Was that you both are
such horror fans, like like Last Boys and Hitchcock and
classic movies that horror fantasy thrillers all that. Yes, yeah,
I feel like you and you and did you and
Jeff bond during that movie we had we had the
same dialogue, so we we could talk in many times
we're talking shorthand, um, and we understood each other very
(03:41):
well about nuances of images and and and pace and
shots and the song and lighting. Um. It was very um.
We were very sort of be in tuned with each
other about that, and I think he really loved my
boards and um, sort of the the the drama, telling
the story just visually. Two. Yeah, you both you both
(04:04):
are so. I mean, he's obviously a drawer as well,
so I think you probably really appreciated you coming in
with those physical drawings. Yeah, yeah, he would help out sometimes.
He's a much better figure drawer than I am. He
can really enjoy the action figures really quite superb. And
I'm more sort of an expression to think with white
and shade. Whatever you guys need to make your own
(04:27):
comic book you and Jeff, like a graphic novel or
something you guys need to collaborate on together. Yeah, that
would be lovely. Well, how well, we'll talk about the
movie at the end of the episode. But this is
episode ten. Obviously you were the pilot director, and it's
quite rare. Maybe you would know more about this than me,
(04:49):
but it is quite rare to only have two series
directors primarily throughout the entire the entirety of the show
for six seasons, but having only two primary directors. Yeah,
I mean in the first season, an episode of this
episode came with twelve episode season one. But season one, um,
there was you know, basically we had three directors. Um,
(05:14):
there was myself, Tim Andrews, and Toby Toby. Sorry, yeah, no,
you're good, But there were three directors. I did and
we did like three episode blocks two episodes one, two, three.
Toby would jump into three, four five Tim and then
I'll do ten, eleven, twelve, um, and we had one ad.
(05:37):
So he did the whole show. I remember on the
steps of the school location around about episode eleven. Uh,
he was in tears. I mean he was lovely man,
but it was It was a lot of fun, a
lot of fun. And how were you know through seasons two, three, four,
(05:58):
five six, how was prep shooting Prepp and shooting like
how did how long were you thinking about other episodes
down the down the line? What was your process like
preparing for apps? Basically, Well, when when we were doing
the season one we were prepping three episodes at once,
so it was pretty intense. Um and luckily we in
those we had some scripts in advance. That that good.
(06:22):
Some we did it. Yes, as the seasons went on,
the scripts would turn up, like the morning of Jeff
Jeff's a perfectionist, not because he wasn't prepared. He just
really wanted it to be perfect. Yeah, but there was
a lot of prep. But I mean it must have
been the mean. Season one, we had such a great team. Also.
We had Jonathan Hall, the EP, the cinematographer, a young
(06:47):
man twenty five years old and a brilliant I loved
the blushes on John Kreshman. Beautiful. Yeah, And one of
my favorite things I gave in episode ten and we
see it throughout the season one. Um a little in
season two UM is Derek's Hale House. The Hale House.
(07:07):
It was such a wonderful creep. We loved that Sat
walked up and old cute us to John the production designer,
and because we're trying to sort of word having even
afford to do this, we had no money. An if
you had this location with an old red barn, and
he said, I'll just clad the barn and so it
(07:29):
was basically so there was no big structure. He said,
it's basically just put the side and lift it basically
or nailed it up to the barn. And we had
a house from one angle, but you can shoot it
from like yeah, yes, basically one angle it's the old
Hitchcock Psycho. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I definitely um
(07:51):
Derek's house. I'll never forget when we all got to
walk up as a cast and see it, and uh
and every magazine shoot that would come to photograph us
for the first season, We're like, let's do it in
front of Derek's house. And so I think I think
teen Vogue or Nylon magazine at the time. Yeah, and
they and they, you know, the soon as the photographer
saw the location. Yeah, yeah, this is definitely know it's
(08:13):
It's one of my favorite favorite moments in that episode
ten is when Jackson Um is brought to the house
by and then there's a big shootout with the with
the Hunters, and we'll definitely get to that now. The
first episode starts with you fade down from the crowd
into the lacrosse scene. How was this your first time
shooting a lacrosse No? No, no, no no, No. Lacrosse was big,
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I mean, I think in episode no, No No, but
in general is this team Wolf was the first time
he's shot lacrosse? Of course, of course the first time
the lacrosse has been used in maybe um in the
show in a way because you know, An the original
Team Wolf movie ums basketball, and so Jeff wanted to
get away from the basketball thing, and he I think
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when he went to school they played lacrosse, so he
always wanted to put lacrosse in. It's sort of a
sexy game and it's a little more violent and a
sexy game to shoot, really hard to shoot actually really yeah, yeah,
because it's I mean a lot of times with the
actors and everything else, and it's just to make it
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energetic for film, you really have to bend the rules
a little in the game. Also, um, you made it
look so easy because you made it look so action packed. Yeah.
A lot of me and j D running up wrong,
pass the camera saying left right, and we'd all lose
our voice by the end of the night because we
just um yeah. But luckily it was freezing cold. We
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shot in Atlantic in winter, so it was bloody cold,
and so the best thing to do was just to
run and shout and keep warm. No one. No one
stood around a f about things too, but it's just like,
let's just keep going and keep shooting. Smartness is one
(10:13):
of my favorite podcasts with Sean Hayes and Jason Bateman
and Will Arnett, and they say for the layman terms
of like people that are not in entertainment business will
have certain terms that will use like block you know,
block shooting, or a D, which is the first assistant
director and they're the one that was JD that they're
the ones that really organized set for the director. And
(10:36):
if you have a scheduling conflict, you better go talk
to that AD, yeah, the person in command. So so yeah,
the AD is usually one of the busiest people on set.
Like you just mentioned block. Block shooting is what we
were doing. We were shooting three episodes once, so everyone
knows that. So for example, we're at the school location,
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which was that the first couple of seasons was actually
out of school. There was no set um part from
the locker room, but abandoned school, wasn't it abandoned school? Yeah? Yeah,
And so in block shooting, we would shoot every school
scene for those three episodes lay upon day, and you
girls and little guys would just keep changing costumes and dangel,
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what's the scene, Okay, what's happened before this? So like
make sure the actors just can memorize their lines for
that many episodes because that as a company moves for
that many times is not going to be pe. So
this is UM. On smart List, they use Sean Haynes's
aunt and it's someone in It's like Tracy and Maryland
and so so posey made up. Well, we're gonna have
Kimberly and Michigan. So for Kimberly and Michigan block shooting
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and uh and a ding is you know, UM just
terms that that are very important on the teen Wolf
set at least UM and a D for every show.
But I think again, I just like to say, I'm
watching the episode ten the other night, first time you
like ted something whatever, and um, it's got one of
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the most charming scenes with you in Crystal and I
saw it would Yeah, it just made me smile. Just
the way you to performance, the way you're dressed for
your little white gloves. It's freezing cold. You see the
breath coming out of your mouth and you're in the
skirt a little. It's so sweet and fabulous. And I
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remember shooting that you both look gorgeous, and the colors
around it was just a love light was so lovely
like and just sometimes you should be staying you go
to the magic just happened to go, Oh my god,
it's so good to see that scene with you in Crystal.
I actually remember when the camera was a single on
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me and you were like, you know it it was
a push in or you but just was pushing yeah, yeah,
and it was the uh you know, it was this
little I remember making that sound and you go, you know,
it was so cute, and that was actually I just
I loved, I loved I remember that moment and I
was like, you think you got it? Yeah, so moving on,
(13:12):
moving on, yeah, and so yeah, it's funny. I remember
actually that take in any real reaction. And then and
then I think the next shot was a citicam down
the road and you've got the buddy high heels on
and down. That was a rough road and you're trying
to catch up the Crystal and the movie back quite
fast because we keeping up with her. She's pushing the
camera right right as I usually am, as I usually
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It was. It was a great it was a great,
great morning. Oh well. One thing I love is that
you guys have used the art of the fan so
much in episodes, and this episode had a lot of
bird's eye views coming down, like when the dream you know,
dreaming with Alison in bed. You had Scott also dreaming
of of the sort of not premonitions, but what had
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happened to you in to Peter Hill. Yeah, so how
did how did you guys know that you wanted to
use all those fans shots like the one in the
locker room was the that was the first one in
this this episode. Well, I guess yeah, I mean, I
my roots are basically back in music videos. Um oh,
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we're gonna get to that, Russell. I'm just saying that
some of the scene nature sort of styles of me
was um wind and fans and cellos and and and
those of techniques creative visual emotion. So I guess it's
in my um mental true Bass, I'm sure, I'm sure.
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Just Jeff such a textual person, you know, he texturized person.
He really likes the visual and so the music in
this scene was on this episode was so great, justing
ting ting, ting, ting, ting ting ting. You know, it's
just it's so fun. It's so creepy and so fun
at the same time. Yeah, see in the locker room
when the ball comes out and he finds Derek and
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then Peter Chon behind it. Yeah, it's a lovely tense scene,
just three guys in this place with the light and
sweat and all that and three tense and when the
one thing I always manages to do and sometimes he'll
take it away, which is powerful, but he nine eighty
ninety percent at the time. He's a little funny. He's
so charming and fun at the same time, and so uh,
(15:27):
you know, I love that he says, we're not going
to kill everyone, We're just going to kill the ruins responsible.
You know. He always acts like he's doing you a favor,
and I thought that was a really nice touch to
put up. He's so good in an episode when he
when he when he when he arrives for the date
with with with with Melissa McCall. Yeah, it's previous. Yeah,
And I think he's so creepy and that one in
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the car he gets pretty scary. I agree, like, oh, yeah,
very creepy with the skin And have you ever seen
the movie Little Children? Yes, Jack Earil Haley. Yeah, he
reminds me like there's an aspect of that with just
like this talking about the skin and yeah, and you
can just see him turn, you can just see him. Yeah,
it's like it's like that meets like Silence of the Lambs.
(16:13):
It's those two villains of just talking about how that
skin is so translucent. So that that was really great. Um.
But yeah, so the cold open, I have to say
it was probably one of my favorites of the season
with that, and you actually feel quite bad for for
Peter Hale and those flashbacks with the shower scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And so I think that's the first time the audience
(16:35):
in the season is really starting to see more of
Peter Hale's backstory. Yeah, those little flashbacks. Maybe we were
on some sets there. I was gonna say, how did
you do the flashback sequence? Because there's so many shots.
I mean, I I don't know if I'd storyboarder pretty
storyboarding and shot listed it, but we couldn't all shoot
it all at once that schedule. So a lot of
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the times it was like, okay, we're here, if we
go into this room here, we can do two shots
for the flashback, okay, and just say little pieces like
you're saying. Yeah. Over the a couple of weeks, we
eventually got material. I mean, I remember we're at Derek's
house the exterior and we're shooting. It was like five
ah in the morning. It was just sunrise and it
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was tired, and I said, let's get some people under
the house and do the do the hands coming out
of the bars as they voted to it, and then
you come at tracks in and approvily, Oh god, can't
you used to do this on stage? And let's go
home and we got the shot was great. You guys
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are all kids. It's so funny. Everyone on Genius a
kid man, it's hilarious. Well, I love the open, the
opening scene, after the cold open of the upside down
kiss and the Spider Man moment and everything was what
made you want to do everything shadowed between Scott Win
Allison was dreaming and then he comes up the way,
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but it was all in shadow, all in silhouette. I
should say, yeah, well, I just wanted to keep it abstract.
It was a semi dream and and yeah, I just
didn't want to do a normal entrance, you know, surprised, beautiful,
more surprising him coming in that way and so artistic,
just just everything silhouetted upside down and then mother Bird's
(18:22):
Eye and then him coming from the single. Yeah, it's
quite beautiful. Yeah, yeah, I liked that. Um So the
next scene that that stuck out to me was the
Porsche scene. And I was gonna say, was this this
is the infamous you know Russell's We could afford the
Hondas and the Hondas, And there's a story about because
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Jeff I had, I had I was leading a Porsche
nine to eleven mm hm, and Jeff had had bought
a pause box. It is blue. I remember this. Remember Toby.
It was Toby that was looking around. He wanted there
was a certain scene in one of his episodes, and
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he looked at Jeff's Porsche and he was about to
go with it, but I drove up and he went, actually,
yours angles better in focused and I thought it was
just gonna be for one episode. I was not thinking,
and I said, okay, yeah, you can use my car.
Guess what I had to be on set every day
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if even though I wasn't directing with that car, and
usually the port ended up being the last shot. I
had no idea that about that. It was disaster. I
was like, I didn't bind me on the end of day,
but wait, when you were you got thirty minutes of
sleep Because you're also like Jeff and Joe hoping for
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the last shot, like and I my home. Here is
the director waiting for my car to be wrapped. So
but let's see you're talking about with the boors when
Jackson drives it down and does some wheelies. Yeah, I
was thinking, yeah, yeah, that's cool. We had the sun
guy and it comes out and make it spectacular time.
(20:16):
And but we didn't realize though, these sort of like
metal spikes to cut that concrete haven't really been checked,
so it tore the tires, sweat the tires. I just
was going to ask you about your tires in general
from doing those kind of wheelies, but I had no
idea that the concrete had spikes on it. Yeah, so
(20:37):
um yeah that that proved that be a little expensive.
Did hopefully hopefully you reimburse for your tires? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh my lord. So it has your car ever been
in a project since or now? Yeah, that was the
first of the last time I will say that its Yeah,
(20:57):
it looked amazing though. I think they just we really
hit our our groove. I felt like in teen Wolf
and that between him and then and then as styles,
did you did you study cam that? How Argent walks
around the car because I love just how you moved
(21:18):
with Argent. It was it felt very sort of dominant
with him show. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Depending who I'm
interviewing for the episode, I'm always sort of cluing in
on whether it be the acting or the production design
or the you know, the dping or the directing, and
so that's something that stuck out for me this time
(21:39):
watching it back. Um and for the narrative aspect of
the podcast for those at home, I walk everyone through
the episode. Um So, Alison overhears her family in the
garage and slumps down, and then at the very end,
Kate realizes, oh, you know, Alison is in the car.
We do see her peers out, um over this like
(22:02):
cylindrical bullet special sort of spear flash bob the flash
bolt thing. Yeah exactly. Um So, I thought that was
a fun scene that Alison's finding more out about her
fans think basically cages getting herd of discover these devices,
but she eventually uses in episode twelve. Yes, I think so.
(22:27):
I think Alison fires the flash bolt, have some blinds
and for seconds, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was
a lot of foreshadowing in this episode coming a versa,
which is gearing up to the pinnacle of the action. Right. Um, yeah,
I think I think two thirds of the way through
first season, I've really been, you know, enjoying rewatching these episodes, um,
(22:50):
because it's the episodes I sometimes forget and then I'm like, wait,
this is when the action really starts to get going.
I I've forgotten episode ten because I always loved episode eleven,
the school dance. It was a very hard decision of
do we do we have Russell on for eleven or ten?
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Because I almost asked then you know what, it was
really good and I loved there was a lot of
like special shots that were really beautiful that were a
choice by the director. And um, but I remember eleven
with all of these crane shots around the around the dance.
(23:32):
But we'll get to that. I I know if you
if I also was debating, um we have a I
can't stay it on air, but I'll tell you after
who we have for eleven. And I was like, oh,
I wonder if Russell will come back for eleven and
two a guest because I anyhow, I just I it
was really hard to choose because all of your episodes, Yeah,
we we always look forward to them, just because they're
(23:54):
so action packed and your brain works in such an
abstract way, like it's just it's a puzzle that I
will never be able to figure out, and it comes
together so beautifully. It's a dance all of your episodes, um,
with the amount of action you're able to fit in, um,
and all the different ways you shoot him. But the
next scene is when um, so Scott and Styles pull up.
(24:16):
I I just watching it back. Dylan is just so delightful.
Um that jep guys cheep cheep. Yeah. And then you
know he's he's able to go big at certain points.
But then some of these deadpan lines, like when he's
sitting at the table pouring his dad whiskey, and you know,
(24:38):
Jeff writes that amazing line about something along the lines
of like, you know, I'm going to the circle. What
is it the circle in the lowest circle of hell?
You know, something like that, you know I will be
at the depths of hell. Um, just so deadpanned. It
was hilarious getting his dad drunk so he can get
more information out of him. Um. But yes, then there's
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the scene that is in the woods that we were
talking about earlier that I, Um, I I it's so fun.
I remember driving to set, and I remember even like
where Crystal and I would go get lunch afterwards if
that was our last scene that day. Um, just a
lot of fond memories of how cold it was yeah
heels um, and just how excited we were to be there.
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It just felt like a suspended reality for us of
how it worked. Well you two girls were, you bounced
off each other very well as it's bizarre watching it back,
just I just have so many memories and just, um,
you know how much Lydia really had an arc over
the course of the show. Um, I'm really able to
(25:43):
see that at this point, um watching it back ten
years later. Yeah, um, tazing Scott, how did you guys
set up that shot? Yeah? That was again. I think
we shot it pretty quickly too. I think we were
and hum. But yeah, it was. It was fun. It was.
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It turned out a really nice little scene that Yeah,
the two of them just that. It was again, I
think visually it's nothing special. You know, there's some nice
creepy little shots and then the tazy happens, but then
it really is down to the two actors. The chemistry
was incredible. Try that. It really comes across, you know, simplicity.
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Oh well, and then whose idea was it? When Melissa
mccaull comes in and says, there was a sales wrap,
a medical sales rep. But I'm gonna go on a
date with this guy. Of why she's so dressed up?
Was it Jeff's idea or was it someone else in
the writer's room? Where did you find out? When did
you get wind of? Like, oh, you know, Peter Hale
and McCall are going to go on a date. Um.
(26:52):
I thought that was a really good twist in the story.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it just came up. No,
I'm not sure when the idea came um, but it
was damn good idea. Yeah. Yes, I love watching the
actors that are not usually in the scene together being
a scene together. Yeah. And then and then and then
we go downstairs and the interior downstairs is actually the
(27:14):
interior of the real house. Oh I didn't know that. Okay,
so you shot in two different days. Yeah, well, yeah,
we shot. We had shot the hexteria the house a
few times in the pilot, and where it's the blue house,
we craned up to the window and you've seen a
few times in in season one the exterior. That interior
(27:36):
is the real house. Um, and which is surprising that
you see it because then in season two, I think
we built it a house we built because this season
one we only we had his bedroom. I'm trying to
oh that's right, Yeah, I forgot about that season. True,
we had a kitchen, I think, yes, and then and
(27:58):
then obviously we need to La. We had we had
the living room in the kitchen, yeah, and the staircase.
But you know, the La set, the season three set
had nothing to do with the interior set, which is right,
which is it's very it's very old school gothicky knows saying,
(28:20):
right totally. I remember I do remember when we got
to God, we got to La and we're like, um,
Melissa McCall is doing good at the hospital. She had
to redecorate. She had this huge living room in a
huge kitchen. Yeah. I do remember that specifically. It's like, well,
things are going well at the hospital for Melissa. Um,
(28:41):
I do remember that. So, uh, the Fender Bender incidences
of Beacon Hills. Yeah, but we filmed through which we
filmed through the rain, and if you watch closer you'll
see Melissa's here. It's getting wetter and wetter in various shots.
I didn't even notice that funny when we had to
(29:02):
shoot it. Someone's coming out and it was just by
the bullet. Here we go and and they one. Yeah
it was. It was so rating. Yes, well, and I
love I love that. Um, you had to work with
the jeep a lot in this in this episode, and
you love the jeep. There's a lot of mixed feelings
on the jeep. How often did the jeep actually work
when it was supposed It's worse than an animal or
(29:22):
a baby. It never worked when it was supposed to.
Oh no, no, no, no, the jeep was jeep was
a beautiful girl. I mean she was great. I'd never
say anything bad about the geep. Oh you would, okay, okay,
other people had said a lot of bad things. I
do remember it being twenty you know, I know I
(29:44):
heard I heard a couple of years later that to
it for the film. Yeah, oh that's great. I didn't
know about that. Yeah, that's great. Um, oh that's that's
that's lovely. I think the fans would love to hear that.
I didn't know that. Um, he still had it and
that's how that happened. Was I did give the jeep
to the film. Yeah, sorry, I couldn't make it, but
(30:04):
here's the jeep. Yeah, I'm hearing spirit right. Yeah. I
like that. I think people would be happy to know that. Um.
So the next scene is back at Derek's house, and
I love when you know, like you said, but when
Jackson and Derek have that face off. And I do
love that Derek's always lurking in the you know, in
(30:25):
the shadows obviously through a season one and yeah, and
I love that he just schools Jackson on saying, you know,
no one cares about all of these super things. And
you know what, I can't believe because I watched it.
I can't believe. The pacing there is really lovely and
quite slow, and there's great pauses in between these as
(30:45):
you know, these shows had to be forty maximum forty
two minutes because we were commercials, so a lot of
times we would he had to say, can we just
talk a little fast, because definitely me, I talk fast,
but I would take long time because we didn't want
(31:06):
to cut things out. But I was surprised when I
saw that scene in that there's look quite the pauses
before people would answer back because it's quite moody and
normally the show it's very hard to get those quiet moments. Um,
these days I'm streaming with there's no commercials. You can
(31:29):
have a good time thirty seconds of twenty seconds of
silence and just yeah um but yeah, yeah, it's native.
These shows these days are are truly mini movies with
how much money there and you can't you can Yeah,
your pacing is not controlled by time factor. M Yeah.
We were one of the last on the last front
(31:51):
tier of shows that were We're like that that had
that remonstrative of of commercials. Right, So many of the
teenage shows these days are on streamers. So yeah, now
when Scott's is at the top of the stairs and
does that big jump, I would love to get Spider
(32:11):
our stunt double gout stunt, double yeah back on the
show because he was incredible. Wells out of the window
in the pilot and he hit the puddle take one
one take. Um, he was the one running through the
forest on the wires. I mean he then yeah and
(32:32):
he blew up. He was he was I think just
had gotten here from Brazil from what I understand. Yeah, Yeah,
he's doing like Spider Man and all the wonderful movies. Yeah,
and so we knew that he was special. We all
knew he was special. But you and Spider had a
great relationship. And I'll never forget him sticking that first
(32:53):
from the second story. No why I don't remember. There's
no there was not no no wires and he sticks,
like you said, in that puddle. It splashed up and
then he looks up perfectly. And I I was there
for that shot, even though I wasn't in the scene.
I remember your reaction, uh to that beautiful joy. It
(33:14):
was just well and it was funny. He walked up
to me on his phone. He's incredible and so um
was that him jumping from the from Yeah, yeah, and
again he was on season two and we did buved
a lot of stunts and things around. Yeah, and that
that would be sort of really written into the story. Ah. Yeah,
(33:35):
Spider Spider doesn't get enough shout out credit because he's
he's absolutely agree lovely, lovely man. Um. I had a
lot of fun. He also just cracked me up. For
as talented as he was. Yes, he was so devoted
to jumping around so the bullets when you guys do
just for people at home when they're could not the
front door one, but before we get to the front door,
(33:58):
you just see like sparks flying across and that's how
you guys chose to shoot that. Yeah, what were you
guys using? Was that? Was that special effects or was
that something practical across the screen? UM? I think probably
Again time, I think there was shooting. UM that was
actual shooting those pellets. I don't think I was ever
(34:23):
at least that in season one. I wasn't part of
it that those scenes with with the with the like
how did you guys do the pellets across screen? Would
like there not be an actor in there? Or was
there an actor on the other side, or how did
how did you guys do you guys? That could have
been an effect? Okay, and then the ones in the
front door electronic um spot things whatever the UM it
(34:48):
was very old school. There was no CG or anything.
I do remember there was looking back at some of
the some of the practicals were incredible, and then some
of the CGI, like when um Holton would have there's
like a blood thing that almost looked like it was
on top of the screen, and I was like Wow,
effects have come so far in fourteen years. That's incredible.
You forget the wolves, the wolf's bane shot when he
(35:11):
last episode, when he had taken it out of his neck. Um,
there was Yeah, some of those practicals just literally made
my skin and crawl still to this day. Um. Special
effects are definitely somebody we're gonna hopefully have on at
some point. Um. So the next scene is Alison waiting
in the room waiting for Scott to come back. Right,
(35:33):
she gets the text that you know from Kate, this
is we need to talk, and cuts back to the
woods and then the house. You know, Scott gets shot.
Derek says run and he passes out to Alison, you know,
saying Alison, and that's when we come in with Seth
Gilliam playing Oh yes, yeah, that was a great great entrance,
wasn't because you see you see Scott being carried exactly
(35:57):
and you assume to the Derek Peter or someone. Yeah,
but and then you cut to the Alophos of the
Sith who who says most of the work on cuts
and doves and the time. Yeah. Mostly. Yeah, it was
(36:17):
such a fun, such a fun entrance, And so that
was his first entrance wasn't it. That was that was well, yes,
I'm sure no, I think we had with him. He's
had He's had a couple other scenes, and but this
(36:37):
was the first time we're seeing him come into the
supernatural world of Peter Hills. And um, I love The Wire.
The Wire is one of my favorite shows and Seth
was in the Wire so um fun, fun guy to
happen him come in. I was very star struck. Oh,
I think everyone I know personal I was. I was
(36:58):
just blessed with such a great cast. It may come
in to work just you're happy a bit, matter how
hard the day he's going to be. It was just like,
I really enjoy work with these people. It's guys some fun,
you know. I try to make it at least painful.
You got to you, Oh, it was so much fun.
And I love how well you were such a technical
(37:20):
director and really saw how the camera was going to
move and the shots and the lenses and it was
just fun watching you. I learned so much from you
in storytelling of your place as an actor and when
you watch it back, how much of the narrator is
all the director and we are you know, the meat
(37:42):
puppets as you says. Some people say, have you heard
about this the actor? Yeah, there was a USC film
professor that would call the actors meat puppets to the
camera department, you know, people studying to be dps and
so yeah, yeah, and they're like, so what you gonna
do is care meat puppets and you move over here
and so and so it's true. I mean there's a
(38:05):
you know, there was a lot of shots that were
just it's it's just interesting to be a piece of
the puzzle. And then you can you get to step
back when you when I watched it back and and
see it what you know, you guys were really creating. Um,
it was really cool. You were the first one to
really teach me that. And I got to see it
day in and day out for months on end. It
was the best film school I could go to. Um.
(38:26):
Now we end the episode underground. This was such a
fun way to end the episode. That beautiful like it
almost looks like water on Crystal's face. Yeah, what made
y'all want to use that light? It was such a
beautiful shot. Just such a moment of the show. Walking
up to see the you know, another werewolf for the
(38:47):
first time. Um, it was it was. I love it.
I love that technique of broken mirrors in the glass.
It's such an easy technique. And the fifth is just
quite wonderful. We were subterranean and I sort of went back.
I just remember this this video I did with Spander
Valley True and we did the same effect and it
(39:08):
was just so good. And so it's just a broken
mirror and special mirror and put in a trade of
water and you just keep moving the trade to move
the water, and the camera can just pick up the
movement of that light in anyway you want to smooth
the light around and make it more in change the
less intensitive and color whatever. Smashed mirror and water, broken mirror, Yeah,
(39:31):
broken mirror. And I don't know, you can't you can't
have any sort of like concerns about breaking mirror. Oh
I you just have someone else to do it, did you?
Did you break the mirror? Yeah? It worked out well
for you. Yeah. Yeah. And then and then of course
to end it on the and Kate Kate was Jill
(39:53):
Wagner such a brilliant fun person to play. Kat ar
jed saying, isn't it's making actually suddle good? Then? Uh? Yeah?
A couple of shots beforehand it was given. I think
we changed it because we shot him was like, oh um,
but I think his makeup was starting to it too
a while to get that makeup really good, you know. Well,
(40:16):
I remember there was a lot of makeup tests for Scott,
for for Tyler, for both Tyler's and that what looked cheesy,
what looks scary, what looks sexy? Yeah, yeah, we always
wanted him to be scary and sexy. Yeah, that's a
really hard line it was. And um, yeah, I remember
(40:39):
there were early some of the early episodes, on the
first couple of episodes, Um, he commend the ease to
be too big and chef with the pair of sis.
So it was yeah, we didn't like. Yeah, we just
didn't have the the the time, all the internal research
(41:03):
to like. So it was it was learned as we
go and developed as you go. So you'll notice as
the series went on, Um, the makeup deverbs and gets
really you know, m pretty good. Now, when did you
(41:25):
hear that there was going to be a movie. How
did that come about for you? Why didn't know about
the movies? I heard about the movie in around the
pandemic time, so that early, like like twenty maybe maybe
maybe it couldn't been at late twenty nine, twenty twenty,
and I found out I think October was it twenty one?
(41:47):
You heard? I heard October twenty one, and then we
started shooting what was it, February March twenty two, ray two. Yeah, no,
I had it before then. Um, but then there was
all the Apollo case because we actually started radio a
whole different script. Oh wow, Yeah, I didn't know that
there was another team of script Yeah. I mean Alison
(42:09):
was always going to come back. That was a that
was always but yeah, obviously Salves was in it. Oh right,
right right. It's hard to write a script before you
know what actors are going to be in your movie.
Yeah it's a reunion movie. Then Sly couldn't do it.
Yeah yeah, so then you had to read and then
(42:31):
and then it so yeah, it was it was a
it was a moving yeah, saw puzzle for quite a
while as the story was being put together. Yeah, it
was tough. It's tough when you're you're moving studios and
then having to work out deals because there's obviously for
(42:52):
the fans at home, there's a there's a whole business
for for Kimberly in Michigan. There's the business of of
teen Wolf and not just the storytelling creative aspects. Yeah,
it's hard to write a script when you don't know
what deals are closed or who can do it or
who's available. So it's it. Um, there's a lot of Yeah,
there's a lot of script changes through the beginning of shooting. Um.
(43:15):
And that was really stressful, I know for everybody, and
so obviously the director it's it's it's it's and it's
a hard tast to take on and very stressful for
as well. So um, so that's you know, that's the
behind the scenes that makes it hard. But I know
that everyone was really really really grateful and happy to
be there, and I hope you felt that. Yeah, yeah,
(43:36):
and so it was it was a lot of fun.
Now you and I have a fellow in comment named
Thomas Cockerell. Oh you shot in like Flynn about Rod
fed Yes, yes, before he became a famous actor. Quite
lovely wonderfulector he spoke very highly of. He was like,
(43:57):
I know Russell and and uh yeah, because you were
born in Melbourne, Australia, right, and how what were you
doing music videos back in Australia. Oh, I did ac
DC and then but then I shipped off. Someone sent
me off to England in seventy nine. Punk band. How
was How was the How is Britain in the eighties?
It probably so much fun? Yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah,
(44:20):
it was such a time. Meant, I was only meant
to me there for two weeks, and so I went
off to do this punk band in Birmingham, a punk
band called Koo. Titles like Gabo and the Death Cheagers
Gabbo and the What Death Cheagers Death Yeah, And so
there I am in England, never been, never been out
(44:41):
of Australia. So I'm there and and I took my
mate with me, the caraman, and we do this video
and then he hit the back. But they asked me
to stay for a while and maybe do a little video.
And I just left my flat in Sydney and let's
let's the milk in the fridge. I was become for
(45:03):
two weeks anyway, and end up I was away for
two years and that milk just turned to bottom place.
But yeah, I said, And all of a sudden I
was in LA doing videos in New York and it
just goes on from there, did it just feel like
the craziest summer camp of all time? Going back and
(45:23):
forth like that crazy summer crime and yes and the
but yeah, everything just got bigger because there s to
you know, I did the first video on an MGB
video killed the radios and then and you won the
Vanguard Award, the Michael Award. How was that? It's tarnished.
It needs a polished now. That was fun. That was fun.
(45:45):
It was the same year that David Byrne won, like
he's such a nine one nine one. I think it
was a one with me. But it was a Radio
City musical which was attactulate and I am drank, come on,
introduced me, blah blah blah, I go up. I had
(46:06):
this bloody stupid English designer suit on and as I
clan says, my rips open what pants? Stage rip open?
Yeah and turn and I have a very quick speech
and girl stage no. Yeah. Meanwhile, backstage they had one
(46:31):
statue or two statues, and um, they keep and they
hand it off in the shop and they take it away.
That's what I hear. She's backstage. It's my big Tina
turned didn't want to give it up. It's mine it's mine,
that is. I love backstage. Oh, backstage in a music
(46:55):
show is a whole other ball game. In backstage at
a at a at an acting show. It's it's quite fun.
I mean I got to be offline on the wall
of obviously the Video Music Awards that MTV would host
every year, and I wouldn't have been there otherwise as
an actor if I hadn't been acting on MTV. So
I'll never forget standing next to Lady Gaga the red carpet,
(47:17):
which I don't think will ever happen again. And she
was wearing her meat dress that year, and I remember
just looking at it being like is it meat? And
and uh and then you know, the next day you
hear all the hoop law about it. Um, but she
was so lovely and I remember I almost stepped on
her meat dress and and yeah and and and she
turned around the same time like ohimes, and she was
(47:38):
so lovely. She think it's okay, it's okay. And um
but anyway, yeah, it was. It was a funny a
funny night. But what was your like When you think
about think back to your your music video days as
well as your Team Wolf days, what are the first
things that come to mind for you. I mean you
got back. I mean it's like, well, I did a
bit of cool um um with Duran under like a
(48:00):
wolf uh huh, and we shot that Shranka and I
came back and we I got a phone call from
this producer in Australia saying, oh, I just saw the video.
Do you want to come to Stralia and do a movie?
And I was like wow, And that's how that crossover happened. Yeah,
and I said, yes, yes, of course. What's are about? So?
(48:23):
I was about a giant kill a pig and I
went great, So off I went on in my first movie. Um,
so I crossover happened. I mean, and you know this,
maybe at that point in time, we're not a lot
of them because you know, McGee and other music video
directors went on to do huge features at that point
(48:44):
in time. Was that a new conceptic? Were you one
of the first big music video directors to cross over?
I kind of, because I mean the next onie, I
did the video of the Wild Boys, a game with
durand Durand and I was offered Highlander, and so I
went off and did Highlander. So around, so many people
have a crush on you for Highlander. It's it's such
a moment. What I get star struck about is Freddie
(49:16):
Murcury and I know you guys were close. Yeah, um,
but you know, he was such a talented guy. I
know it must have been interesting as his friend and
then and seeing him as an artist as well. Yeah, yeah,
yeah he was. Um, he was. He's very much not
a diver. He was just as generally talented, nice man. Um,
(49:40):
just great to be around and very generous and we'll
have fun. Gritz it's humor. Yeah, well I could. I
could see, like you're such a lovable bear always. But yeah,
I just it would have not been the same without you,
My god, it would I don't think it would have existed.
I think you know, Tim said he was such a
big fan and it was one of the biggest reasons
(50:01):
he came on the show. Was obviously he an I know,
I mean, Jeff Davis, um, he's he's the goldfather of
the he is. But I'm telling you, guys, you're a
tight knit group, as you know, absolutely absolutely, you know,
I so many people look up to you, and I
(50:23):
know I Tim just was so He's like I couldn't
believe I had studied everything Russell did, and I was
so nervous, and I thought, Okay, this is my moment.
I'm going to really just watch how he does everything.
And I was like, well, Tim, you crushed it too.
I saw your episodes, but it was really cool to
see just so many different perspectives. But to see Tim's
(50:43):
about you was also pretty neat. Um, we all just
love you. We love your Russell, and we thank you
so much for the time. Oh do you have any
lasting impressions of teen Wolf. I've always loved, always loved
teen Wolf, you know, I mean, uh, it's it holds
a very special place in my heart. Um. And then
and the good thing is I'm still friends with you guys,
(51:07):
you know, yeah, you, especially you and then Til and
in It's it's just wonderful to keep that friendship means
a lot because yeah, we spent a lot of time together,
we did, and you and I are neighbors. I love
that you guys. He doesn't live in his house anymore,
but but he used to. He still owns it. And
and I love that you guys are right across the streets.
(51:29):
But he lost doing that bloody Western Yeah, oh yeah,
he can't. You can't tear him out of Montana yellow
Stone something I don't know, maybe with chaps and ride horses.
And I took my van up there for two months
and lived outside a glace shirt. Month. Don't live in
the van anymore, are you? No? No, I was in
it for thirteen months. I knowes. I was six am.
(51:54):
The sun was not up yet. We were into Pea
Canyon and um, I was waiting for the uber and
the ubers don't go up there often, or at least
not on time. And yeah, three coyotes with about six
in the background approached us. That's a pack. You know,
they were divided you two, but the three were sort
of like inquiring with the six probably twenty feet behind
(52:15):
them and the luggage. I'll never forget. Fiful starting to
kind of growl, and then she very quickly realizes that
doesn't necessarily smell like a dog and started to crawl
up my leg and I'm holding her like all thirty
six long inches of her, and I'm trying to put
the big suitcase between myself and Fiful and then the
coyotes and she's whimpering, and I'm like, get God, and
(52:36):
you're trying to make myself big and stomp and um,
and I'm thinking, like nine of these can take Fifilani down.
And right at that moment, as the six were starting
to come closer and the three were right at that
luggage that the uber came. It was it was like
a team we've seen. Actually it was Lydia. Oh yeah yeah.
(52:56):
And then well, hopefully I'll have a game night soon
and I'd love for you to come. I'm finally back
in my house and getting settled in and yeah right, well, okay,
all right, thank you for your time today. I really
appreciate it. It would not be the same without you.
(53:17):
Very read to see you all right, Love you ye,
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