March 13, 2023 • 45 mins
Holland recaps the “Night School” episode and is joined in the den by Sheriff Noah Stilinski, otherwise known as Linden Ashby!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is haller Back Now with me Holland Rowden and
I Hunt Radio Podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to haller
Back Now. My name is Holland Roden and we are
recapping season one, episode seven, Night School. Usually night school
is when you go to school at night. That is
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technically what happened in this episode. A lot goes down
between the pack of Scott, Allison and definitely Lydia and
Jackson and don't worry, there's no shorts of Styles. We
begin where Scott wants to find out who the alpha is,
so he lets out this massive how Derek's there, Vet
Tech's there, And essentially what happens is this creature does
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approaches attacks Derek. We think Derek might be dead. They
run into the school, they run upstairs, and that's when
Scott and Styles have this battery thrown through the window
and they realize that it is Stiles battery from his
jeep that the creature has torn literally out of the car.
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And I like how Dylan played that line when they
realize it's his battery, that like he's almost like offended
that the creature chose his jeep to assault. I thought
that was really a fun way to play it. I
do remember the claw marks and them putting different hoods on,
Like we had fake hoods on the jeep. That's how
you do it, and so you'll bring in a fake
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part of a car to like mimic a car crash
or altering of a particular part of the car, and
so that's what they did for this one. You had
the claw version of the clean version. And I remember
one of the first things when Lydia I have to
touch the claw marks on the on the hood as well.
I remember how sometimes it's nice when you have props
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that you can really connect to, and that was I
think the first time on teen Wolf. So it took
me seven episodes in to realize like I was on
a ware wolf show truly because I didn't have to
kiss the werewolf so to speak, um like like Alison did.
So um yeah, I really liked that the fact that
they used the jeep as part of the storyline for
this For this episode, so basically Alison is trying to
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get a hold of Scott because he's supposed to be
picking her up, and that's when she gets the third
wheel and it's Lydia and Jackson to the rescue and
it's porsh um. But that was a fun That was
a fun scene. I remember us shooting that scene and
that was I had a lot of car scenes in
season one, and I noticed that you can keep your sides,
your drinks, your food, your blanket, all under your phone,
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all underneath the car, so if it was not an
intense scene, and it was usually really cold outside. Obviously,
the title of this episode is night School, so it's
very indicative to shooting at night. And yes, this entire
episode was shot on on on nights to always either
be inside er in a car for for my character,
for really any of our characters. That was a really
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big blessing, really nice blessing because it was freezing in
the winter in Atlanta. Also, with Lydia and Jackson, there
was a lot of bickering in this episode, and Jackson
was not the nicest and I sometimes forget. I know
a lot of you guys will talk about how you
did not like Jackson and Lydia's episode because of how
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he treated her, and I always thought of maybe some
key moments where that was the case, and I thought, well,
but otherwise they're kind, they're kind of high school people,
aren't they had a high school boyfriend and girlfriend, and
this episode made me change my mind about that a
little bit. Um the fact that she did find herself
dumbing herself down a little bit for Jackson in this episode.
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I had forgotten that, So you guys, thank you for
reminding me. I definitely saw this episode with different eyes
watching it back for for Lydia's character, but to stay
to stay chronologically on track, we go to the school
because Scott Texas Alison meet us there and at that
point know Lydia has already seen a creature. She's really
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on edge about not wanting to go into that school
because she knows she's seen a few too many horror
movies that I'll be back. And she also like, I
think this is back in like early teen Wolve days
where we're not really sure where our characters are going
to go. I don't think they're going to take the
main protagonist and put her with Jackson Alison's character, but
they have that little flirt for just a hint of
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a second, and I thought that was funny because seeing
my reaction of that, but also scared to go in
the school. Um again, there were just moments that I
hadn't watched in a while that I completely forgot about UM.
When I think of Teen Wolf as a whole, I
think I think of seasons like three B and on.
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So that was nice to dig back into the into
memory lane where there was potentially UM at least the
hint of a flirtation in the writing with an Alison
Jackson storyline, which I thought was fun. And I like
how Lydia sucked into yet another debacle that our friends
have set her up in. But I also love that
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this is the Molotov cocktail scene. I think the episode,
I should say, I think that Molotov cocktail and Lydia
are really closely intertwined. And this is where it all started,
was the Molotov cocktail. And I actually specifically remember shooting
that scene and looking up how to pronounce all of
the words and learning how to make a bomb essentially
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when we were rehearsing that scene and when I got
when I got the script. It was nice to have
such a vivid memory of mixing all of those concoctions,
and I kept thinking like, well, would this one be
a powder, would this one be a liquid, and wanting
to be accurate, and they did not care they're like,
now Holland does get all of the substances and throw
them in the beaker. And I was a science major
in college, and I wouldn't call myself a method actor
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by any means, but I do use a lot of
sense memory, but I would not necessarily call it method.
So that was one of the bigger scenes that I've
actually been really concerned if I'm saying it correctly and
doing it correctly. Um, yeah, that was my It was
probably my my biggest memory of that episode in general. Um.
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So this is the first time that the pool is featured,
and there's a fun scene which diehards will know coming up. Um,
a fun pool scene with Scott and Allison. So this
is the first time you see the pool. Um, I
just have a special knack for special affinity for for
indoor pools in schools. So at this point, Jackson tells
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Styles to call the cops, and Styles doesn't want to
see his dad get eaten alive. So we've got a
family affair in this episode. And that Um, Jackson goes
to grab Styles his phone and then Styles punches Jackson
in the face and it's still able to you know,
call his dad. It gets his voicemail, and that's when
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the wolf, the big creature in the school, starts banging
on all the doors and they run out of the
room upstairs into a new classroom, and all the classrooms
really got to get featured. I think that was a
very cheap episode. Coke bottle episodes fun fact for Kimberly
and Michigan. Coke bottle episodes are sometimes where a budget
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is needed in another episode, or more of a budget
than you would normally get in an episode, so that
you have to write a coke bottle episode, meaning it's
only it pretty much only takes place in one one area.
And I think the first season the Porsche Jackson Jackson's
Porsche was actually Russell McKay's car, our director Russell's car,
so I think we got that for free. So pretty
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much it was just the ambulance, which I think we
also owned, and then the school. So a very cheap
episode because I think it went to another episode or
two of that creature. All of the CGI money went
to that creature one or the other. Anyhow, So the
wolf starts banging out all the doors and they all
run upstairs in the new classroom and Scott and Stales
come up with a plan that they're going to get
the key from the jan or that it had passed
earlier in the episode to get access to the roof
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and then go down the fire escape, and Lydia's like,
that is way too much to do in heels. She
didn't actually say that, that's the thing. I'm gonna That's
what I thought though when they were talking about that.
But they're gonna make a firebomb. That's the new thing
is the Molotov cocktail. That's when that comes in. And
I love that Jackson has to mess up this process
of the Molotov cocktail. Let's just pause for a second
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that I love Crystal in this episode. This is such
a great episode that showed her range and so many
emotions in just one look. She's so good at that.
And that's something I noticed when I was watching back
this episode that she did a really good job of
smizing and giving the puppy dog eyes and the you know,
the genuine worry that she comes to Scott with when
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she's like, please don't go out there, please, like the pleading.
I really looked at that and was like, wow, like
I just really believed her. I really loved that performance
that she that she had, and I also loved that
when Scott runs into the gymnasium and faces the creature
the way he likes spasms on the gymnasium floor, I
thought was really good. I did not see that coming. Again,
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theseigious things you like watch back and you don't remember. Obviously,
I wasn't in the gymnasium for that scene, but I
could picture them shooting that with him by himself. The
rashes were very convincing, and the fact that I think
it's really telling that the creature didn't attack him. And
I liked how Jeff says, Okay, I'm not going to
kill them. You have to kill them. You have to
change packs. So we're kind of halfway through season one now,
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and I thought that was a really nice plot point,
that this is where Scott's tested and that he has
to change packs, and I thought that was a really
powerful way to do it with his back all in
one location and he's the one that's quote unquote in
danger when he runs out to face the creature and
nothing even happens to him and he has to realize
it on his own. I thought that was a really
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fun way of writing that kind of storyline. So at
that point, Scott starts to transform and he is this
ravenous monster. And one thing I really want to point
out at this point when Scott transforms and it's walking
through the hallway the way they did it through that
window of the door in the classroom, and then they
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cut to his nails scraping along the wall. I thought
that was brilliant. It was so beautiful. And again another
throw to like the coke Bottle episode is when you
have one location, what can you play with? And they
really got to take their time with a cinematography. Jonathan
Hall crushes this episode. It was so beautifully shot. It's
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something that like I just separate of the episode, was
noticing while I was watching, and it really felt it's
it's amazing how much us a good cinematographer can can
carry a show and make everybody just really up their
game and if anything, it can make a break a
show in my opinions. So I think this was like
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one of the first episodes that you realize, you know,
you're watching a snarky, intense, a bit of a jump thrill,
fun show, but you're also watching a beautiful piece of
art and the way they lit and shot Scott walking through,
It's almost like he was a bit of a sexy werewolf,
even though he was so scary, and you could really
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feel Allison's plight and and and allure to you know,
her boyfriend being awarewolf. Essentially, I could really side with
the fans. I completely know where you're all are coming
from that when the werewolves are a werewolf makeup, which
initially sounds silly, it can be a weird draw. I
thought Tyler was just shot really beautifully and that and
that's a testament to having that reaction and having that
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feeling is because of the cinematography. If that was shot
in a different way, would not have been attractive and
alluring but scary at the same time. So that was
the first time I think that I had noticed that
watching season one, which was really fun. But when he
gets there, he goes crazy on the door. That was
the straw that broke the camel's back for Allison, And
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even though he had left her when she asked him
not to, it was really him going crazy at the
door that made her sort of have this pregnant pause
of like, I don't know if I want to be
with this guy. But Lydia with apparently expert hearing. In
this episode, here's the ambulance from down the road and
they run to the window and stillnsky hint hint, hint
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of who might be in this episode shows up to
save the day and Seth gets to pop out from
nowhere and be like, Hey, I'm fine, I got out.
Is he the alful? We don't know at that point,
but yeah, we lived to see another day. I thought
that was just a great fun creature feature way to
move the story along, creed a love of suspense, and
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then also break up our main couple, which again I loved.
I loved Crystal's performance saying I don't call me, but
not to overshadow the Alison Scott's storyline. Probably the biggest
relationship on the show, Scott and Styles. They have it
down at the end of the episode where Scott essentially
has to tell Styles, who's not picking up what he's
putting down, that this creature did not touch him because
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Scott realizes the creature wants Scott to get rid of
his old pack to join the new pack, and basically says, hey, buddy,
my best friend, the thing over there kind of wants
me to kill you and that does not go down well.
So I like that the middle of season one really
takes things for a turn, not only with Scott and Allison,
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but with Scott and his entire friend pack. That's pretty
much Night School in a nutshell. But today we have
the vip VP at the very end of the episode,
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wrapping out what I call the Coke Bottle Episode, the
all Important Sheriff himself, Lyndon Ashby, Welcome to Night School. Hi, Hi,
thank you for joining. You're welcome. I want to start
kind of from the beginning. Let's start from the beginning.
That was a long time that we started that show, right,
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fourteen years? Is that how long it's been. That is
how long it's been, Linden, I auditioned for this show
in November of two thousand and nine. Jesus nineteen twenty one,
twenty two twenty I'm sorry, yeah, no, fourteen fourteen years. Yeah,
well it's been technically thirteen and change because it's really like,
you know, the end of and then then we started
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shooting February of two thousand and ten was the pilot,
and then we got picked up in May of ten
and then went back to Atlanta. Around what was it
like September October something like that, So we shot in
February of ten. Okay, okay, specifically remember ten February of ten.
It might have been like January thirtieth to like February
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tenth or something like that, right, but it was. It
was the Yeah, pretty much at the heels of the
beginning of ebry. Yeah. Oh gosh, so many things I
get to like interview you about. Is you're one of
my mentors as well as your wife Susan. Yes, he's
a better mentor. You both are amazing mentors. You guys
have been married for thirty five years. How long did
you guys date? We didn't date such an amazing love story. Yeah,
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I mean no, like I d We dated for like
three months and I asked her to marry me. We
got married less than three months later. You were literally
the o G ninety day fiance. Yeah, you know, six
months done she was. I was twenty five and she
was twenty two. So be odd to that working out
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were as actors in Hollywood. Yeah, and like, looking back
on it, I can't imagine what our parents were thinking.
I was about to say, were your parents are proving
at least on the surface of this marriage. Yeah. Well,
on the surface they were all like, oh this is great.
Oh they were just Southern hospitality. Yea nay day, Yes,
But I think that underneath you had to be just
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going no, this is a terrible idea. So wrote a
three and a half decade marriage off of six months
of knowing each other is impressive in this business. Well
we've learned. We grew up together. You know, we grew
up together. Well, you guys are my mentors because you
are successful working actors many decades in and you've never
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known what the next year is going to look like. Well,
some years you did, but some years you didn't. And
I really admire for raising two incredible girls that I
got to see grow up on this show. There pultry
scientists and a no s I ultry scientist at a lawyer. Yes, yes,
I'm like a proud Jewish mother. I got a doctor,
a lawyer, adopted a lawyer. And so you guys met
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on loving as we did. How many times has the
joke come up that you guys met on loving and
then that no pun intended. You played cousins both from
the South. Yeah, so it was okay, Yeah, um, oh,
swait did you like growing up in Jacksonville? Was that
was there the arts somewhere in your zeitgeist or was
it just sports? Uh? I look, it's all I knew.
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That's where I grew up, right, And I grew up
in a really cool I grew up in a pretty
great place. And I you know, I played soccer I
think either tenth grade eleventh grade, and it's a game
that I kept playing afterwards. But I didn't want to
do that anymore. I didn't want to be I just
didn't want to be sort of involved. When I turned eighteen,
I was like, I was going, I can relate. I
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was seventeen, Yes, yes, you get out. Did you even
no relation to the arts through them that period? I did?
I think I did one play in high school. Um,
and that was when I was a senior, and I
didn't I thought, okar like this And then I did
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a like audition for play. And when I went to
college and then is in Durango. Yeah, in Durango, Colorado,
at St. Louis College, I think better known as the
Harvard of the Southwest, the Harvard at the Southwest. I
skied and acted and did three years of college and
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I did good. I had good grades, I did, you know,
And I did a lot of theater and then I
realized that I think I'm good at this. And then
I was like, Okay, well this is what I want
to do. And I told my parents and they were like,
oh Jesus. So I went to the neighborhood playoffs and
I got in. That's a huge school, right, And I
studied with Sandy Meisner, and wow, yeah, I don't think
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I ever knew that. Yeah, he was. He was my teacher.
We had other teachers, and we'd studied with him. It
was what was your best memory of studying? Literally, that's
a like we learned about Meisner in acting class in Dallas, Texas. Yeah.
I think his definition of acting is the best definition
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that I've ever heard. It's, you know, living truthfully under
imaginary circumstances, and it's, you know, moment to unanticipated moment.
You never know what it's going to be. You you
stay connected and you stay in this moment and it's
and it's great. You know, you don't you don't know
what's going to happen. You know, it's like this ping
pong match. Anyway, second best quote is you where you say,
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acting is like dogs. We show up, we go do
the trick. Yeah, and if we do the trick right,
meaning the scene, we get to go get a snack
which is a crafty and then we go back to
our kennel, which is our trailer. Yeah, good job boy,
come on out. Time to go on out. Ok. And
then they pet, you know, They're like, okay, go do it,
and you're like all right, and you get all groomed
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up and you get all fancied up and they paint
you know when you look good for the show. And
then you go and you do it and they're like,
good job boy. Go get a cheat and think, all right,
we're not gonna need you for a bit, kennel to
go back to the trailer. Go back to the kennel. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
that's hilarious. I always loved that quote that that she said.
So so once you once you had finished up Playhouse,
how the age did you get to to Los Angeles
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or did you did you hang out in New York
for a while. I stayed in New York and I
did like off off Broadway, and were those times like
in the eighties in New York. I was in New
York from eighty one to eighty seven. So you met
you met Susan during this time. Loving was in New York. Yeah,
I didn't know that. Okay, yeah, Loving was in New
York and it was crazy. It's like when we met
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on Loving and I feel like that's like a nineteen
eighties dating app called Loving, right, I know it should be.
And then we got off and we came to La together.
We were married, and we came out to LA together,
and I think I was here like two weeks and
booked this big miniseries really yeah, with Fara Fawcet called
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Poor Little Rich Girl. Oh wow, that's when that happened, Okay, yeah,
And I did that and everyone was like, welcome to
Hollywood Hall. And there were years that, like my late twenties,
I didn't I worked. I always worked. I didn't. I'm
like thirty years I couldn't pay her taxes. Wow. But
back then that was it was really mean. It was
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really of course, of course that's the other thing. Don't
even compare yourself to other people. But it's like, your
path is your path. And when I hit my early thirties,
I started working pretty much and then like for the
next ten years didn't stop working this when um, when
did When did Melrose Places? Mortal Kombat? And last I
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started in the early thirties and I got a couple
of pilots that didn't go. And then I get this
movie called eight Seconds with with Luke Perry. You know,
it's cowboy, you know, think about bull riding, and then yea,
I think he was still doing and and it was
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right at the end of that and Luke and I
knew each other from New York, but not directly. It
was really funny. I remember. So he was unloving after
I left, and the producer would always, you know, like
pull him in and you know, you remind me of
another actor I work. But he was a very talented
young actor, but he had bad attitude and you know,
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blah blah blah, he's not here anymore and you won't
be here anymore. And so Luke always would, you know,
like I was a cautionary tale for Luke that this
guy Joe Stewart would use. And so I remember sitting
with Luke in this diner on Sunset Boulevard and he
had just gotten nine O two one oh, and he's like,
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they want to fire me and I'm like, well, what's
going on. He goes, the network doesn't want me. They
don't I don't think I'm sexy enough. They don't think
I'm this and that. He goes, and Aaron is going
to bat for me. And so Aaron Spelling went to
bat and said, no, this kid's this kid's great, don't
don't replace him. He is sexy, he is that. And
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then we know what happened. But they wanted to replace him.
He wasn't like Payo to know anything. They don't know
what's happening. It just all sort of comes into place.
And it's a lot of luck and a lot of work.
And I'm the first to say I think it's a
lot of luck. How do you feel about that? It
is luck, it's luck, and it is I mean, it
looked once the door has opened everybody and you get
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in the door, then it should be a meritocracy of sorts.
But but I think it's very important for the door
to be open for everybody. Absolutely, and then yeah, luck
totally comes into play. I've sat on the other side,
you know, directing, on the other side of the table,
and it's putting casting a movie or a TV show
it's like building a puzzle. Yeah, and you know, it's
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really what pieces fit and to be lucky enough that
that your piece fit in this myth. And then like
with teen Wolf, to get the cast that we had
that just it was so lucky. Teen Wolf's cast was
so lucky. It worked. I mean, it just worked. I
often wondered within Levy and Danny Zachaganino that the casting
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director and Jeff Davis were they just sort of throwing
it against the wall. You know, they didn't know. They
just were at a hunch and they said, Okay, this person,
this person, this person. Yeah, and you know they I
would like to think they had a sixth sense and
they knew, But I don't think they knew. Not that
nobody knows. You don't know. But I tell you what,
at that table read, I knew. I had a feeling
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on the pilot. And I want to say, there's some
funny connections before we died fully into teen Wolf, and
you and I have two connections that will lead us
into teen Wolf. Our first connection was after I was
on teen Wolf, before you were on teen Wolf. We
both worked with an actor. Do you know who this
actor is? Before I was on teen Wolf and after
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you were on teen Wolf. But I worked with them
before teen Wolf, and I worked with him after teen Wolf.
But I was so excited, and then I did not
know until this podcast for this research I was doing it,
I go what they worked together, and I am so
curious to know of your experience with Rudger Hower. Oh,
how did you work with Ruder I worked with Rudger
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on a mini series called Channel Zero where he plays
a man that's going to coax me into getting rid
of my schizophrenia by going to purgatory with him. That
looks like the nineteen fifties where we eat where we're cannibals.
That's awesome. I ran into Rudgery. And then you worked
with Ian Bowen because I did on Wider That's right. Yeah,
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and now he's working with Kevin again, and he's working
with Kevin again. It does come back around. Oh, it's
a small town. That's one thing that that people don't
realize is Hollywood is a Holly was a small town.
I mean, whence the last time you went on a
set and you didn't know somebody. M That's a good question,
that's a really good question. I'm assuming you got offered
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tine Wolf from what you did not I did? I did?
I did not know that and uh and and then
I couldn't go back to the callback or you know whatever.
And Jeff was like, hey, you don't need to you
give them the job, you don't need to your So
my process of getting the job was pretty easy. No
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on on on tape on tape. Yeah, you you did
the Atlanta move more than other before other actors were
doing the East coast. You did the Atlanta move. And
I thought that I was going to go do something
else with my life. And oh, you thought you're getting
out of the business. Yeah, yeah, you know. I had
always like thought, look, I had a really good run.
I don't want to overstay my welcome at the party.
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I don't want to be sitting in a hallway reading
for you know, a guest spot on Matt Locke. Yeah,
I get it. And and and I was like, and Susan,
the girls were high school agent. She goes, I don't
want him to go to high school in La Los Angeles.
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And you know, if we lived there, my family's there.
Your families, you know, in North Florida, and you know
they'll have cousins and you know, it'll be an experience
that they ever had. And so we were like, okay,
let's go. And when we moved to Atlanta, I hadn't
done a film, like a film physically shooting in Los
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Angeles and probably seven years. I was in Canada for
years at a time, you know, literally I've spent over
a year in my life in the Southern Place Hotel
in Vancouver. And then then I was you know, a
series in Toronto, and then you know, and then in
Europe and you know, Czechoslovakia and Romania and yeah, you
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name it Bootpep Bogart. Yeah, and so traveling in South
Africa and you know, working around the world. It sounds
glamorous and ironically is, but it's also so so not. Yeah.
Well you see the world with no one to share
it with, you see it alone, and it's it's a
it's a really weird experience, such a strange experience. And
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uh and you were ready to just give community to
your daughters, but yeah, and I and so I went,
all right, I'll do that, and she said, look, you
give me these years. We can live anywhere in the
world you want to live. Oh, okay. And so, like
we've been in Atlanta, I'm like, oh my god. You know,
if you go to Spain and you bring X amount
of dollars, dadda, you get an EU passport and this say.
She's like, don't we're not moving. In Spain, you would
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have been on a very different team and we're not moving.
In New Zealand, I'd be like, here, we're not moving there.
I'm like, Okay, I see anywhere in the United States
in the world, as long as it's near your mom
and your sister. It led you to a completely different path. Yeah. Well,
so that first year in Atlanta, I did three movies
(29:04):
in la oh yeah. And then I just then I
shot a series in uh it was it Shreetport that
Colton was on. Oh yes, yes, the Gates. Yeah. I
had no you were on the Gates too, like or
seven episodes there. I had no idea that you am Colton.
This will be fun team of trivia that you and
(29:25):
Coulton are both on the Gates. Yeah. And then and
then I looked I was gonna buy this bookstore and
this little town that I grew up in Atlantic Beach,
and I love books and I love reading, and I
love this bookstore. And the people were interested in selling it,
and so the deal was going to be I was
going to commit, I was gonna five we'd worked together,
(29:47):
she would stay you know for five years or whatever
and transition out and da da da da da, And
it was all going to work out. And then it didn't.
It did just didn't pan out. U And right after that,
I think I got teen Wolf. But it was really
cool to be there in Florida doing that because I
(30:10):
was near my parents. I got to spend a lot
of time with them. My dad passed away, so I
got to be there when that all went down, and
and so everything works out for a reason. But yeah,
so then did teen Wolf and then came back to
LA And you've gotten a taste of success as far
(30:31):
as like massive fandom with Mortal Kombat, with shows like
Melrose Place. You saw you saw the lightning in a bottle?
Did you like you said you saw the table read
you felt there was something there and teen Wolf? Yeah, yeah, you.
I think a big part of the success ingredient list
is you and Dylan together as father and son. That
(30:51):
was such, um yeah, a very powerful moment to see
on It's and it's you know, because I don't I
don't even see Dylan anymore. I know, but you guys
are good actors in the chemistry. Dylan gives an amazing
chemistry on screen. He does. And Dylan's a good man,
and I think and I don't know, our paths have
(31:12):
just sort of gone these different ways, and and well,
you're incredible on screen. And that's love Dylan. I love Dylan. Yeah,
it's the world's a funny place in the Hollywood is
a funny place, and people go in different directions and
(31:33):
you you find your own path and it's yeah, yeah,
it's cool. Well, what was your take on um the
movie from the show, And then we're going to get
into the episode which was very much a coke bottle
episode because it was entirely in the school, um, and
I want to talk about other episodes that you were
in that that you were more front and center. I
(31:55):
loved the student Teacher Conference, which was just a couple
episodes back, um, but the confrontation of you and that teacher.
I wanted to just, Yeah, what are your favorite, like
top five memories, Like what comes to mind when that
from that first season oteen Wolf. Oh, you know what
what I love is I love working on something before
the world is seen it, and you're working in this
(32:17):
sort of weird, magical world, self contained little bubble they
haven't shared with anyone, and no one knows if it's
going to work. And there was such joy in that
first season. There was such love in that first season,
and it was such a tight knit little thing. You
(32:37):
had a lot of fun that first season. Oh my god,
we are Yeah, yeah, that's so much fun. And what
was it on the fun factor? Because you had been
working for so long, like it it was beautiful to
see this. I mean, you guys, you know, these young actors,
you're just sort of finding this thing and this and
just being so good. All of you were so good
(33:01):
and you were so good together, and it just it worked.
And to watch it and to watch it all happen
and there was no there was no stardom yet, there
was no ego, there was no nothing because it hadn't happened.
And then and then to watch it happened. I remember
I was in Italy for with the girls and when
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Team Wolf premiere and just to see this thing, it's
just like like happen and it was so cool and yeah,
I mean, like, look, I think that first year, people
talking about, oh, I didn't get paid. I've heard actors
like if I didn't get paid anything. I'm like, I
guarantee you got paid more than I did. In my
first you got you got paid more than I did.
(33:44):
Any actors like complaining and saying I didn't get paid right,
And I'm like, oh, you don't have any idea what
I was making? Scale local higher scale on the first
season of Team Wolf. Wow. I remember when to save
the money I was making, which wasn't much. Um So
(34:05):
I always lived with roommates that I would find on
Craigslist and I would go and find my Yeah, I
fot to this day. If they give you Kimberly and
Michigan a relocation fee, but it doesn't usually cover the
new place you have to live in plus your old
place back home, and so you're covering two rents and
they give you a little bit of a push to
help you out for two or three months, but if
(34:26):
you're there for eight or nine months, it doesn't cover it.
You'll cover your move, so to speak. Well, what cracked me?
Remember remember Dylan and Tyler and Tyler all live together
all yes, yes, T Squared d D Squared. Oh, my god,
So Nights School takes place all in the school, there's
a creature outside. You actually are the ones that saved
(34:46):
us at the end of the episode it was so cold?
You remember that episode being said? It was and the
episode starts with the battery being thrown through the school window. Right.
And how many times did you have to drive the jeep?
Had a very big role in this episode. How did
you feel about the jeep? Did you have any particular
feel like it never worked? Is what I heard? Yeah,
(35:09):
did you have to drive it that much? I'm trying
to think if you ever drove the I don't think
I ever drove it. Did you have a backstory for
the jeep when you came in? You know what? I
never thought about that, Like when when did Styles get it? Um,
I don't know if he got Anzel love a backstory
if you've ever thought of what? I don't know if
I gave it to him or he, you know, stole it.
(35:30):
He didn't have a job, so now give it to
I feel like it was definitely Stealinski's jeep. Yeah, I
think it was in the family. It had to be
in a family, right, one hundred percent of the family. Yeah,
And uh, and the Molotov cocktail. So yeah, this was
the first episode that that Scott has this bravery moment
where he's gonna go out and he's gonna save the
(35:51):
group and uh and Alison tells him not to go.
And do you ever remember you doing something in your
life that Susan told you not to do but you
did it anyway? That was dangerous because alicson it's very
mad in this all the time. Don't do it? Oh,
who's the genius in the family. This is the episode
(36:13):
where some of the Lydia technology technological vernacular comes out
with Molotov cocktails. So, so would you say Susan is
the is the more brainy one? B wa anybod? I'm
probably they'd be like Savannah and Grace and Susan and
then I'd be like down, like going that is true,
I would say, actually I would maybe maybe your daughters
(36:36):
they are the like really smart. Savannah's crazy, Grace's crag.
They're both Gracey and smart, really smart. That makes sense. Okay, Yeah,
what were your like best moments from season one? If
you if you if you have any uh best always
shot at night? Yeah, we always shot at night. We're
always cold. So you I didn't have prosthetics in this
(36:58):
show ever, not even in a dream sequence. No, not once,
completely scott free. Now you know three different kinds of
martial arts though, karate, kung fu, and what's the third one. Now,
I've studied a lot of different taekwondo, karate, a little
bit of winking chung and now I'm in krawbmaga and
(37:21):
I'm studying uh tungshudo, which is a different form of karate. Interesting. Yeah, Now,
have you ever done a surfing movie or No? I
can't get cast as a surfer. What I know, you
look like a surfer to me. I don't know what
I'm but they always want, like Hollywood's funny place. It'll
(37:41):
be like people will walk in or you know, they go,
can you surf? I go, yeah, yeah, I get sir.
You can be like I'm the greatest surfer in the
world and on this not and they believe him in
the person can't even paddle a surfboard. Oh my lord,
Well you've you've served in Fiji almost every year? Ye?
Hawaii north Shore every winner. Wow. My brother lives about
(38:05):
fifteen minutes from north Shore. He bought a house up
in the hills there nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he uh.
We've a lot in common in the sense that's off
topic of Teen Wolf, and that we're both scuba divers.
I think we're both love our vans. You have a
converted van, yeah, and and we're both outdoorsy. But none
of this was ever conveyed in Teen Wolf. No no,
(38:29):
but but I feel like you definitely got stunts in
the movie. Like, how are your thoughts on the movie?
Did you enjoy seeing everyone and that's the last time
we saw each other. It was lovely coming back and
seeing everybody. I mean, I remember going in for the
fitting and walking into that studio and it's like barber
in that room, and it's just like, oh my god,
it's it. While that we were back, it's like this
weird fever dream that is somehow reality. Exactly the first
(38:53):
day when I pulled up, when I pulled out a
base camp and Carol was there, it was too weird. Okay,
it's too weird. This is bizarre. The fact that Kara
came back to do the La portion of of Teen
Wolf was incredible. Yeah. Yeah, And did you wear the
same outfit as four years ago? Yeah? Yeah, same, You're surfing,
(39:16):
Vizique stays the same, same, same stuff. It's like, yeah,
it was crazy and it was a fun. It was
fun just to be around the people. Um, I think
we made a fun movie. I think that it's I
always look at that, you know, these kind of things ago.
Could you have done this different? Could you have done
this different? Yeah? Maybe, But at the end of the day,
(39:38):
I think we made a lot of people really happy.
That's exactly why I keep Yeah, that's pretty darn cool. Yeah.
Did you ever think season seven or a movie would
ever happen? Um? You and Jeff are pretty close, you
guys grabbed dinners very close. Um. Yeah, he talked. I remember,
I can't remember when, but he was like, do you
(40:00):
want to do a movie? And I was like yeah,
and then you know, it was it was I think,
you know, announcing it before you have a script was
was no tough man. Yeah, that's that's that's We talked
about that on this podcast. Where you know so much.
There's so many moving pieces that creators don't have control of,
and that's business and passing an ip that's expensive to
(40:24):
another studio that's essentially on lease and it's like one, two, three,
go and and make something of it and create a
bigger world of wolves. And so there's only one Jeff Davis,
but there was an entire show of Wolfpack plus teen Wolf.
And if the die hard fans know anything about Jeff
Davis is that he wants to be involved in everything
(40:45):
he cannot he can't. No, he's not. Jeff doesn't delegate.
He's like, he's like, I want to delegate. I want
to delegate. I'm gonna delegate. I can't delegate. Jeff's a
quiet guy, but he cares so much, so deeply about
everything that he does, and so I think that's why
he can't delegate um. And so writing two of those
(41:07):
things at the same time, it was you know, it
meant a lot to all of us, and so we
were just really grateful that we got to come back
and do this. Yeah, I wish to Lenski had way
more of a martial arts background, where like, as you know,
if you find out that he had a deeper past
and was like, you know, being a sheriff, was he
thought was going to go take the easier path out,
(41:28):
That's what I would have built for you. I never
got like a great fight scene. That's kind of sorry,
given you your experience and that Jeff wasn't I know,
but I think that it's like, I don't know. It
was good and I had a really fun fight, you know,
like in that final thing worked out. I wasn't gonna
say your your stunts with the ONI's were amazing. Yeah,
(41:50):
with that, but so with the ones that was all.
That was all me. But I had worked out this
whole fight with that final thing. And I get the
gun and this and that, and uh, you know, I
wrap up his thing and I hit him in the
head and then I and then I get the clip
in and I go to shoot him and I haven't
chambered around, and I'm like and it goes click, and
(42:11):
I'm like and then and then I just rack it
on the side of his head and then shoot him
and it got cut. It got cut. Yeah, but it
was good. It was a really fun, fun sequence. I
remember you rolling around in the woods that night because
I was always visiting set. Oh my God on her
shoulder and I was like Jesus, I was like, Lindon
(42:32):
is like tumbling out there, oh, flinging myself onto the ground,
and I'm like, hey, I have a stunt. I have
a stunt double, and Russe's like, no, it looks really
good with you doing it. I'm like yeah, but and
You're like, yeah, but my shoulder, Come on, guys, yeah yeah,
I know. I got that the microphone right on the
top of my shoulder, you know, like the police mike,
and it just got right in the shoulder. But I
(42:54):
think that was probably a mistake. All the things that
people were when they're watching a movie, they don't they're
the logistics behind it that just always catch us up
on set and so whenever there's a lot of props
or things that hang off our bodies. Screen fighting is
not the same as real fighting, you know, Stunt fighting
is not the same. It's it's like real fighting is
really quick and really quick and and and you don't
(43:17):
it doesn't probably look great. Screen fighting is is big,
and it's important to like boom, you look and you
get the camera something to go to and you and
your your moves are pretty well defined and it's a choreography.
It's a day Yeah, it's a day performance. Y, yes, exactly.
We had good stuff doubles on Teen Wolf, though they
were the creatures and because it's so much you know, movement,
(43:40):
or move, you know, that's what our show was essentially.
Um Tyler's got this part where he convulses in the
in the gymnasium, and it made me think back, like god,
he was eighteen, really carrying the show and the physicality
of what was required of him. It was something that
stuck out to me. And and you were definitely the
same the day, just at the end. But I wanted
(44:03):
to have you on because you're such a presence. Obviously
you would not have been the same if it didn't
have skill and ski like, think about that, it wouldn't
been the same without you either. I remember just like
being so impressed with you and like and just a
good actor, good actor. Well, I was lucky that your
your wife was my was my mom and then also
(44:24):
my girlfriend because she's so pretty. I was like, what
the what do you think? I kind I came from her.
That's okay, I'll take it absolutely well. I just wanted
to have you on and chatted about teen Wolf in
the movie. You for having me. Thank you for your time.
I appreciate it. I love you. I'll see you soon, okay,
love you, honey, see you bye bye. Thanks for listening, y'all.
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This is haller Back Now with me Holland Rowden and
I Hunt Radio Podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to haller
Back Now. My name is Holland Roden and we are
recapping season one, episode seven, Night School. Usually night school
is when you go to school at night. That is
(00:21):
technically what happened in this episode. A lot goes down
between the pack of Scott, Allison and definitely Lydia and
Jackson and don't worry, there's no shorts of Styles. We
begin where Scott wants to find out who the alpha is,
so he lets out this massive how Derek's there, Vet
Tech's there, And essentially what happens is this creature does
(00:46):
approaches attacks Derek. We think Derek might be dead. They
run into the school, they run upstairs, and that's when
Scott and Styles have this battery thrown through the window
and they realize that it is Stiles battery from his
jeep that the creature has torn literally out of the car.
(01:06):
And I like how Dylan played that line when they
realize it's his battery, that like he's almost like offended
that the creature chose his jeep to assault. I thought
that was really a fun way to play it. I
do remember the claw marks and them putting different hoods on,
Like we had fake hoods on the jeep. That's how
you do it, and so you'll bring in a fake
(01:28):
part of a car to like mimic a car crash
or altering of a particular part of the car, and
so that's what they did for this one. You had
the claw version of the clean version. And I remember
one of the first things when Lydia I have to
touch the claw marks on the on the hood as well.
I remember how sometimes it's nice when you have props
(01:49):
that you can really connect to, and that was I
think the first time on teen Wolf. So it took
me seven episodes in to realize like I was on
a ware wolf show truly because I didn't have to
kiss the werewolf so to speak, um like like Alison did.
So um yeah, I really liked that the fact that
they used the jeep as part of the storyline for
this For this episode, so basically Alison is trying to
(02:14):
get a hold of Scott because he's supposed to be
picking her up, and that's when she gets the third
wheel and it's Lydia and Jackson to the rescue and
it's porsh um. But that was a fun That was
a fun scene. I remember us shooting that scene and
that was I had a lot of car scenes in
season one, and I noticed that you can keep your sides,
your drinks, your food, your blanket, all under your phone,
(02:38):
all underneath the car, so if it was not an
intense scene, and it was usually really cold outside. Obviously,
the title of this episode is night School, so it's
very indicative to shooting at night. And yes, this entire
episode was shot on on on nights to always either
be inside er in a car for for my character,
for really any of our characters. That was a really
(02:59):
big blessing, really nice blessing because it was freezing in
the winter in Atlanta. Also, with Lydia and Jackson, there
was a lot of bickering in this episode, and Jackson
was not the nicest and I sometimes forget. I know
a lot of you guys will talk about how you
did not like Jackson and Lydia's episode because of how
(03:21):
he treated her, and I always thought of maybe some
key moments where that was the case, and I thought, well,
but otherwise they're kind, they're kind of high school people,
aren't they had a high school boyfriend and girlfriend, and
this episode made me change my mind about that a
little bit. Um the fact that she did find herself
dumbing herself down a little bit for Jackson in this episode.
(03:41):
I had forgotten that, So you guys, thank you for
reminding me. I definitely saw this episode with different eyes
watching it back for for Lydia's character, but to stay
to stay chronologically on track, we go to the school
because Scott Texas Alison meet us there and at that
point know Lydia has already seen a creature. She's really
(04:03):
on edge about not wanting to go into that school
because she knows she's seen a few too many horror
movies that I'll be back. And she also like, I
think this is back in like early teen Wolve days
where we're not really sure where our characters are going
to go. I don't think they're going to take the
main protagonist and put her with Jackson Alison's character, but
they have that little flirt for just a hint of
(04:23):
a second, and I thought that was funny because seeing
my reaction of that, but also scared to go in
the school. Um again, there were just moments that I
hadn't watched in a while that I completely forgot about UM.
When I think of Teen Wolf as a whole, I
think I think of seasons like three B and on.
(04:43):
So that was nice to dig back into the into
memory lane where there was potentially UM at least the
hint of a flirtation in the writing with an Alison
Jackson storyline, which I thought was fun. And I like
how Lydia sucked into yet another debacle that our friends
have set her up in. But I also love that
(05:06):
this is the Molotov cocktail scene. I think the episode,
I should say, I think that Molotov cocktail and Lydia
are really closely intertwined. And this is where it all started,
was the Molotov cocktail. And I actually specifically remember shooting
that scene and looking up how to pronounce all of
the words and learning how to make a bomb essentially
(05:26):
when we were rehearsing that scene and when I got
when I got the script. It was nice to have
such a vivid memory of mixing all of those concoctions,
and I kept thinking like, well, would this one be
a powder, would this one be a liquid, and wanting
to be accurate, and they did not care they're like,
now Holland does get all of the substances and throw
them in the beaker. And I was a science major
in college, and I wouldn't call myself a method actor
(05:49):
by any means, but I do use a lot of
sense memory, but I would not necessarily call it method.
So that was one of the bigger scenes that I've
actually been really concerned if I'm saying it correctly and
doing it correctly. Um, yeah, that was my It was
probably my my biggest memory of that episode in general. Um.
(06:11):
So this is the first time that the pool is featured,
and there's a fun scene which diehards will know coming up. Um,
a fun pool scene with Scott and Allison. So this
is the first time you see the pool. Um, I
just have a special knack for special affinity for for
indoor pools in schools. So at this point, Jackson tells
(06:32):
Styles to call the cops, and Styles doesn't want to
see his dad get eaten alive. So we've got a
family affair in this episode. And that Um, Jackson goes
to grab Styles his phone and then Styles punches Jackson
in the face and it's still able to you know,
call his dad. It gets his voicemail, and that's when
(06:55):
the wolf, the big creature in the school, starts banging
on all the doors and they run out of the
room upstairs into a new classroom, and all the classrooms
really got to get featured. I think that was a
very cheap episode. Coke bottle episodes fun fact for Kimberly
and Michigan. Coke bottle episodes are sometimes where a budget
(07:15):
is needed in another episode, or more of a budget
than you would normally get in an episode, so that
you have to write a coke bottle episode, meaning it's
only it pretty much only takes place in one one area.
And I think the first season the Porsche Jackson Jackson's
Porsche was actually Russell McKay's car, our director Russell's car,
so I think we got that for free. So pretty
(07:36):
much it was just the ambulance, which I think we
also owned, and then the school. So a very cheap
episode because I think it went to another episode or
two of that creature. All of the CGI money went
to that creature one or the other. Anyhow, So the
wolf starts banging out all the doors and they all
run upstairs in the new classroom and Scott and Stales
come up with a plan that they're going to get
the key from the jan or that it had passed
earlier in the episode to get access to the roof
(07:57):
and then go down the fire escape, and Lydia's like,
that is way too much to do in heels. She
didn't actually say that, that's the thing. I'm gonna That's
what I thought though when they were talking about that.
But they're gonna make a firebomb. That's the new thing
is the Molotov cocktail. That's when that comes in. And
I love that Jackson has to mess up this process
of the Molotov cocktail. Let's just pause for a second
(08:17):
that I love Crystal in this episode. This is such
a great episode that showed her range and so many
emotions in just one look. She's so good at that.
And that's something I noticed when I was watching back
this episode that she did a really good job of
smizing and giving the puppy dog eyes and the you know,
the genuine worry that she comes to Scott with when
(08:40):
she's like, please don't go out there, please, like the pleading.
I really looked at that and was like, wow, like
I just really believed her. I really loved that performance
that she that she had, and I also loved that
when Scott runs into the gymnasium and faces the creature
the way he likes spasms on the gymnasium floor, I
thought was really good. I did not see that coming. Again,
(09:02):
theseigious things you like watch back and you don't remember. Obviously,
I wasn't in the gymnasium for that scene, but I
could picture them shooting that with him by himself. The
rashes were very convincing, and the fact that I think
it's really telling that the creature didn't attack him. And
I liked how Jeff says, Okay, I'm not going to
kill them. You have to kill them. You have to
change packs. So we're kind of halfway through season one now,
(09:25):
and I thought that was a really nice plot point,
that this is where Scott's tested and that he has
to change packs, and I thought that was a really
powerful way to do it with his back all in
one location and he's the one that's quote unquote in
danger when he runs out to face the creature and
nothing even happens to him and he has to realize
it on his own. I thought that was a really
(09:46):
fun way of writing that kind of storyline. So at
that point, Scott starts to transform and he is this
ravenous monster. And one thing I really want to point
out at this point when Scott transforms and it's walking
through the hallway the way they did it through that
window of the door in the classroom, and then they
(10:07):
cut to his nails scraping along the wall. I thought
that was brilliant. It was so beautiful. And again another
throw to like the coke Bottle episode is when you
have one location, what can you play with? And they
really got to take their time with a cinematography. Jonathan
Hall crushes this episode. It was so beautifully shot. It's
(10:29):
something that like I just separate of the episode, was
noticing while I was watching, and it really felt it's
it's amazing how much us a good cinematographer can can
carry a show and make everybody just really up their
game and if anything, it can make a break a
show in my opinions. So I think this was like
(10:50):
one of the first episodes that you realize, you know,
you're watching a snarky, intense, a bit of a jump thrill,
fun show, but you're also watching a beautiful piece of
art and the way they lit and shot Scott walking through,
It's almost like he was a bit of a sexy werewolf,
even though he was so scary, and you could really
(11:10):
feel Allison's plight and and and allure to you know,
her boyfriend being awarewolf. Essentially, I could really side with
the fans. I completely know where you're all are coming
from that when the werewolves are a werewolf makeup, which
initially sounds silly, it can be a weird draw. I
thought Tyler was just shot really beautifully and that and
that's a testament to having that reaction and having that
(11:33):
feeling is because of the cinematography. If that was shot
in a different way, would not have been attractive and
alluring but scary at the same time. So that was
the first time I think that I had noticed that
watching season one, which was really fun. But when he
gets there, he goes crazy on the door. That was
the straw that broke the camel's back for Allison, And
(11:53):
even though he had left her when she asked him
not to, it was really him going crazy at the
door that made her sort of have this pregnant pause
of like, I don't know if I want to be
with this guy. But Lydia with apparently expert hearing. In
this episode, here's the ambulance from down the road and
they run to the window and stillnsky hint hint, hint
(12:14):
of who might be in this episode shows up to
save the day and Seth gets to pop out from
nowhere and be like, Hey, I'm fine, I got out.
Is he the alful? We don't know at that point,
but yeah, we lived to see another day. I thought
that was just a great fun creature feature way to
move the story along, creed a love of suspense, and
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then also break up our main couple, which again I loved.
I loved Crystal's performance saying I don't call me, but
not to overshadow the Alison Scott's storyline. Probably the biggest
relationship on the show, Scott and Styles. They have it
down at the end of the episode where Scott essentially
has to tell Styles, who's not picking up what he's
putting down, that this creature did not touch him because
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Scott realizes the creature wants Scott to get rid of
his old pack to join the new pack, and basically says, hey, buddy,
my best friend, the thing over there kind of wants
me to kill you and that does not go down well.
So I like that the middle of season one really
takes things for a turn, not only with Scott and Allison,
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but with Scott and his entire friend pack. That's pretty
much Night School in a nutshell. But today we have
the vip VP at the very end of the episode,
(13:39):
wrapping out what I call the Coke Bottle Episode, the
all Important Sheriff himself, Lyndon Ashby, Welcome to Night School. Hi, Hi,
thank you for joining. You're welcome. I want to start
kind of from the beginning. Let's start from the beginning.
That was a long time that we started that show, right,
(14:01):
fourteen years? Is that how long it's been. That is
how long it's been, Linden, I auditioned for this show
in November of two thousand and nine. Jesus nineteen twenty one,
twenty two twenty I'm sorry, yeah, no, fourteen fourteen years. Yeah,
well it's been technically thirteen and change because it's really like,
you know, the end of and then then we started
(14:21):
shooting February of two thousand and ten was the pilot,
and then we got picked up in May of ten
and then went back to Atlanta. Around what was it
like September October something like that, So we shot in
February of ten. Okay, okay, specifically remember ten February of ten.
It might have been like January thirtieth to like February
(14:43):
tenth or something like that, right, but it was. It
was the Yeah, pretty much at the heels of the
beginning of ebry. Yeah. Oh gosh, so many things I
get to like interview you about. Is you're one of
my mentors as well as your wife Susan. Yes, he's
a better mentor. You both are amazing mentors. You guys
have been married for thirty five years. How long did
you guys date? We didn't date such an amazing love story. Yeah,
(15:09):
I mean no, like I d We dated for like
three months and I asked her to marry me. We
got married less than three months later. You were literally
the o G ninety day fiance. Yeah, you know, six
months done she was. I was twenty five and she
was twenty two. So be odd to that working out
(15:30):
were as actors in Hollywood. Yeah, and like, looking back
on it, I can't imagine what our parents were thinking.
I was about to say, were your parents are proving
at least on the surface of this marriage. Yeah. Well,
on the surface they were all like, oh this is great.
Oh they were just Southern hospitality. Yea nay day, Yes,
But I think that underneath you had to be just
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going no, this is a terrible idea. So wrote a
three and a half decade marriage off of six months
of knowing each other is impressive in this business. Well
we've learned. We grew up together. You know, we grew
up together. Well, you guys are my mentors because you
are successful working actors many decades in and you've never
(16:15):
known what the next year is going to look like. Well,
some years you did, but some years you didn't. And
I really admire for raising two incredible girls that I
got to see grow up on this show. There pultry
scientists and a no s I ultry scientist at a lawyer. Yes, yes,
I'm like a proud Jewish mother. I got a doctor,
a lawyer, adopted a lawyer. And so you guys met
(16:38):
on loving as we did. How many times has the
joke come up that you guys met on loving and
then that no pun intended. You played cousins both from
the South. Yeah, so it was okay, Yeah, um, oh,
swait did you like growing up in Jacksonville? Was that
was there the arts somewhere in your zeitgeist or was
it just sports? Uh? I look, it's all I knew.
(17:02):
That's where I grew up, right, And I grew up
in a really cool I grew up in a pretty
great place. And I you know, I played soccer I
think either tenth grade eleventh grade, and it's a game
that I kept playing afterwards. But I didn't want to
do that anymore. I didn't want to be I just
didn't want to be sort of involved. When I turned eighteen,
I was like, I was going, I can relate. I
(17:25):
was seventeen, Yes, yes, you get out. Did you even
no relation to the arts through them that period? I did?
I think I did one play in high school. Um,
and that was when I was a senior, and I
didn't I thought, okar like this And then I did
(17:47):
a like audition for play. And when I went to
college and then is in Durango. Yeah, in Durango, Colorado,
at St. Louis College, I think better known as the
Harvard of the Southwest, the Harvard at the Southwest. I
skied and acted and did three years of college and
(18:08):
I did good. I had good grades, I did, you know,
And I did a lot of theater and then I
realized that I think I'm good at this. And then
I was like, Okay, well this is what I want
to do. And I told my parents and they were like,
oh Jesus. So I went to the neighborhood playoffs and
I got in. That's a huge school, right, And I
studied with Sandy Meisner, and wow, yeah, I don't think
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I ever knew that. Yeah, he was. He was my teacher.
We had other teachers, and we'd studied with him. It
was what was your best memory of studying? Literally, that's
a like we learned about Meisner in acting class in Dallas, Texas. Yeah.
I think his definition of acting is the best definition
(18:52):
that I've ever heard. It's, you know, living truthfully under
imaginary circumstances, and it's, you know, moment to unanticipated moment.
You never know what it's going to be. You you
stay connected and you stay in this moment and it's
and it's great. You know, you don't you don't know
what's going to happen. You know, it's like this ping
pong match. Anyway, second best quote is you where you say,
(19:17):
acting is like dogs. We show up, we go do
the trick. Yeah, and if we do the trick right,
meaning the scene, we get to go get a snack
which is a crafty and then we go back to
our kennel, which is our trailer. Yeah, good job boy,
come on out. Time to go on out. Ok. And
then they pet, you know, They're like, okay, go do it,
and you're like all right, and you get all groomed
(19:38):
up and you get all fancied up and they paint
you know when you look good for the show. And
then you go and you do it and they're like,
good job boy. Go get a cheat and think, all right,
we're not gonna need you for a bit, kennel to
go back to the trailer. Go back to the kennel. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
that's hilarious. I always loved that quote that that she said.
So so once you once you had finished up Playhouse,
how the age did you get to to Los Angeles
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or did you did you hang out in New York
for a while. I stayed in New York and I
did like off off Broadway, and were those times like
in the eighties in New York. I was in New
York from eighty one to eighty seven. So you met
you met Susan during this time. Loving was in New York. Yeah,
I didn't know that. Okay, yeah, Loving was in New
York and it was crazy. It's like when we met
(20:22):
on Loving and I feel like that's like a nineteen
eighties dating app called Loving, right, I know it should be.
And then we got off and we came to La together.
We were married, and we came out to LA together,
and I think I was here like two weeks and
booked this big miniseries really yeah, with Fara Fawcet called
(20:45):
Poor Little Rich Girl. Oh wow, that's when that happened, Okay, yeah,
And I did that and everyone was like, welcome to
Hollywood Hall. And there were years that, like my late twenties,
I didn't I worked. I always worked. I didn't. I'm
like thirty years I couldn't pay her taxes. Wow. But
back then that was it was really mean. It was
(21:08):
really of course, of course that's the other thing. Don't
even compare yourself to other people. But it's like, your
path is your path. And when I hit my early thirties,
I started working pretty much and then like for the
next ten years didn't stop working this when um, when
did When did Melrose Places? Mortal Kombat? And last I
(21:29):
started in the early thirties and I got a couple
of pilots that didn't go. And then I get this
movie called eight Seconds with with Luke Perry. You know,
it's cowboy, you know, think about bull riding, and then yea,
I think he was still doing and and it was
(21:52):
right at the end of that and Luke and I
knew each other from New York, but not directly. It
was really funny. I remember. So he was unloving after
I left, and the producer would always, you know, like
pull him in and you know, you remind me of
another actor I work. But he was a very talented
young actor, but he had bad attitude and you know,
(22:13):
blah blah blah, he's not here anymore and you won't
be here anymore. And so Luke always would, you know,
like I was a cautionary tale for Luke that this
guy Joe Stewart would use. And so I remember sitting
with Luke in this diner on Sunset Boulevard and he
had just gotten nine O two one oh, and he's like,
(22:34):
they want to fire me and I'm like, well, what's
going on. He goes, the network doesn't want me. They
don't I don't think I'm sexy enough. They don't think
I'm this and that. He goes, and Aaron is going
to bat for me. And so Aaron Spelling went to
bat and said, no, this kid's this kid's great, don't
don't replace him. He is sexy, he is that. And
(22:55):
then we know what happened. But they wanted to replace him.
He wasn't like Payo to know anything. They don't know
what's happening. It just all sort of comes into place.
And it's a lot of luck and a lot of work.
And I'm the first to say I think it's a
lot of luck. How do you feel about that? It
is luck, it's luck, and it is I mean, it
looked once the door has opened everybody and you get
(23:17):
in the door, then it should be a meritocracy of sorts.
But but I think it's very important for the door
to be open for everybody. Absolutely, and then yeah, luck
totally comes into play. I've sat on the other side,
you know, directing, on the other side of the table,
and it's putting casting a movie or a TV show
it's like building a puzzle. Yeah, and you know, it's
(23:41):
really what pieces fit and to be lucky enough that
that your piece fit in this myth. And then like
with teen Wolf, to get the cast that we had
that just it was so lucky. Teen Wolf's cast was
so lucky. It worked. I mean, it just worked. I
often wondered within Levy and Danny Zachaganino that the casting
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director and Jeff Davis were they just sort of throwing
it against the wall. You know, they didn't know. They
just were at a hunch and they said, Okay, this person,
this person, this person. Yeah, and you know they I
would like to think they had a sixth sense and
they knew, But I don't think they knew. Not that
nobody knows. You don't know. But I tell you what,
at that table read, I knew. I had a feeling
(24:26):
on the pilot. And I want to say, there's some
funny connections before we died fully into teen Wolf, and
you and I have two connections that will lead us
into teen Wolf. Our first connection was after I was
on teen Wolf, before you were on teen Wolf. We
both worked with an actor. Do you know who this
actor is? Before I was on teen Wolf and after
(24:48):
you were on teen Wolf. But I worked with them
before teen Wolf, and I worked with him after teen Wolf.
But I was so excited, and then I did not
know until this podcast for this research I was doing it,
I go what they worked together, and I am so
curious to know of your experience with Rudger Hower. Oh,
how did you work with Ruder I worked with Rudger
(25:10):
on a mini series called Channel Zero where he plays
a man that's going to coax me into getting rid
of my schizophrenia by going to purgatory with him. That
looks like the nineteen fifties where we eat where we're cannibals.
That's awesome. I ran into Rudgery. And then you worked
with Ian Bowen because I did on Wider That's right. Yeah,
(25:35):
and now he's working with Kevin again, and he's working
with Kevin again. It does come back around. Oh, it's
a small town. That's one thing that that people don't
realize is Hollywood is a Holly was a small town.
I mean, whence the last time you went on a
set and you didn't know somebody. M That's a good question,
that's a really good question. I'm assuming you got offered
(26:04):
tine Wolf from what you did not I did? I did?
I did not know that and uh and and then
I couldn't go back to the callback or you know whatever.
And Jeff was like, hey, you don't need to you
give them the job, you don't need to your So
my process of getting the job was pretty easy. No
(26:26):
on on on tape on tape. Yeah, you you did
the Atlanta move more than other before other actors were
doing the East coast. You did the Atlanta move. And
I thought that I was going to go do something
else with my life. And oh, you thought you're getting
out of the business. Yeah, yeah, you know. I had
always like thought, look, I had a really good run.
I don't want to overstay my welcome at the party.
(26:48):
I don't want to be sitting in a hallway reading
for you know, a guest spot on Matt Locke. Yeah,
I get it. And and and I was like, and Susan,
the girls were high school agent. She goes, I don't
want him to go to high school in La Los Angeles.
(27:09):
And you know, if we lived there, my family's there.
Your families, you know, in North Florida, and you know
they'll have cousins and you know, it'll be an experience
that they ever had. And so we were like, okay,
let's go. And when we moved to Atlanta, I hadn't
done a film, like a film physically shooting in Los
(27:32):
Angeles and probably seven years. I was in Canada for
years at a time, you know, literally I've spent over
a year in my life in the Southern Place Hotel
in Vancouver. And then then I was you know, a
series in Toronto, and then you know, and then in
Europe and you know, Czechoslovakia and Romania and yeah, you
(27:57):
name it Bootpep Bogart. Yeah, and so traveling in South
Africa and you know, working around the world. It sounds
glamorous and ironically is, but it's also so so not. Yeah.
Well you see the world with no one to share
it with, you see it alone, and it's it's a
it's a really weird experience, such a strange experience. And
(28:19):
uh and you were ready to just give community to
your daughters, but yeah, and I and so I went,
all right, I'll do that, and she said, look, you
give me these years. We can live anywhere in the
world you want to live. Oh, okay. And so, like
we've been in Atlanta, I'm like, oh my god. You know,
if you go to Spain and you bring X amount
of dollars, dadda, you get an EU passport and this say.
She's like, don't we're not moving. In Spain, you would
(28:44):
have been on a very different team and we're not moving.
In New Zealand, I'd be like, here, we're not moving there.
I'm like, Okay, I see anywhere in the United States
in the world, as long as it's near your mom
and your sister. It led you to a completely different path. Yeah. Well,
so that first year in Atlanta, I did three movies
(29:04):
in la oh yeah. And then I just then I
shot a series in uh it was it Shreetport that
Colton was on. Oh yes, yes, the Gates. Yeah. I
had no you were on the Gates too, like or
seven episodes there. I had no idea that you am Colton.
This will be fun team of trivia that you and
(29:25):
Coulton are both on the Gates. Yeah. And then and
then I looked I was gonna buy this bookstore and
this little town that I grew up in Atlantic Beach,
and I love books and I love reading, and I
love this bookstore. And the people were interested in selling it,
and so the deal was going to be I was
going to commit, I was gonna five we'd worked together,
(29:47):
she would stay you know for five years or whatever
and transition out and da da da da da, And
it was all going to work out. And then it didn't.
It did just didn't pan out. U And right after that,
I think I got teen Wolf. But it was really
cool to be there in Florida doing that because I
(30:10):
was near my parents. I got to spend a lot
of time with them. My dad passed away, so I
got to be there when that all went down, and
and so everything works out for a reason. But yeah,
so then did teen Wolf and then came back to
LA And you've gotten a taste of success as far
(30:31):
as like massive fandom with Mortal Kombat, with shows like
Melrose Place. You saw you saw the lightning in a bottle?
Did you like you said you saw the table read
you felt there was something there and teen Wolf? Yeah, yeah, you.
I think a big part of the success ingredient list
is you and Dylan together as father and son. That
(30:51):
was such, um yeah, a very powerful moment to see
on It's and it's you know, because I don't I
don't even see Dylan anymore. I know, but you guys
are good actors in the chemistry. Dylan gives an amazing
chemistry on screen. He does. And Dylan's a good man,
and I think and I don't know, our paths have
(31:12):
just sort of gone these different ways, and and well,
you're incredible on screen. And that's love Dylan. I love Dylan. Yeah,
it's the world's a funny place in the Hollywood is
a funny place, and people go in different directions and
(31:33):
you you find your own path and it's yeah, yeah,
it's cool. Well, what was your take on um the
movie from the show, And then we're going to get
into the episode which was very much a coke bottle
episode because it was entirely in the school, um, and
I want to talk about other episodes that you were
in that that you were more front and center. I
(31:55):
loved the student Teacher Conference, which was just a couple
episodes back, um, but the confrontation of you and that teacher.
I wanted to just, Yeah, what are your favorite, like
top five memories, Like what comes to mind when that
from that first season oteen Wolf. Oh, you know what
what I love is I love working on something before
the world is seen it, and you're working in this
(32:17):
sort of weird, magical world, self contained little bubble they
haven't shared with anyone, and no one knows if it's
going to work. And there was such joy in that
first season. There was such love in that first season,
and it was such a tight knit little thing. You
(32:37):
had a lot of fun that first season. Oh my god,
we are Yeah, yeah, that's so much fun. And what
was it on the fun factor? Because you had been
working for so long, like it it was beautiful to
see this. I mean, you guys, you know, these young actors,
you're just sort of finding this thing and this and
just being so good. All of you were so good
(33:01):
and you were so good together, and it just it worked.
And to watch it and to watch it all happen
and there was no there was no stardom yet, there
was no ego, there was no nothing because it hadn't happened.
And then and then to watch it happened. I remember
I was in Italy for with the girls and when
(33:22):
Team Wolf premiere and just to see this thing, it's
just like like happen and it was so cool and yeah,
I mean, like, look, I think that first year, people
talking about, oh, I didn't get paid. I've heard actors
like if I didn't get paid anything. I'm like, I
guarantee you got paid more than I did. In my
first you got you got paid more than I did.
(33:44):
Any actors like complaining and saying I didn't get paid right,
And I'm like, oh, you don't have any idea what
I was making? Scale local higher scale on the first
season of Team Wolf. Wow. I remember when to save
the money I was making, which wasn't much. Um So
(34:05):
I always lived with roommates that I would find on
Craigslist and I would go and find my Yeah, I
fot to this day. If they give you Kimberly and
Michigan a relocation fee, but it doesn't usually cover the
new place you have to live in plus your old
place back home, and so you're covering two rents and
they give you a little bit of a push to
help you out for two or three months, but if
(34:26):
you're there for eight or nine months, it doesn't cover it.
You'll cover your move, so to speak. Well, what cracked me?
Remember remember Dylan and Tyler and Tyler all live together
all yes, yes, T Squared d D Squared. Oh, my god,
So Nights School takes place all in the school, there's
a creature outside. You actually are the ones that saved
(34:46):
us at the end of the episode it was so cold?
You remember that episode being said? It was and the
episode starts with the battery being thrown through the school window. Right.
And how many times did you have to drive the jeep?
Had a very big role in this episode. How did
you feel about the jeep? Did you have any particular
feel like it never worked? Is what I heard? Yeah,
(35:09):
did you have to drive it that much? I'm trying
to think if you ever drove the I don't think
I ever drove it. Did you have a backstory for
the jeep when you came in? You know what? I
never thought about that, Like when when did Styles get it? Um,
I don't know if he got Anzel love a backstory
if you've ever thought of what? I don't know if
I gave it to him or he, you know, stole it.
(35:30):
He didn't have a job, so now give it to
I feel like it was definitely Stealinski's jeep. Yeah, I
think it was in the family. It had to be
in a family, right, one hundred percent of the family. Yeah,
And uh, and the Molotov cocktail. So yeah, this was
the first episode that that Scott has this bravery moment
where he's gonna go out and he's gonna save the
(35:51):
group and uh and Alison tells him not to go.
And do you ever remember you doing something in your
life that Susan told you not to do but you
did it anyway? That was dangerous because alicson it's very
mad in this all the time. Don't do it? Oh,
who's the genius in the family. This is the episode
(36:13):
where some of the Lydia technology technological vernacular comes out
with Molotov cocktails. So, so would you say Susan is
the is the more brainy one? B wa anybod? I'm
probably they'd be like Savannah and Grace and Susan and
then I'd be like down, like going that is true,
I would say, actually I would maybe maybe your daughters
(36:36):
they are the like really smart. Savannah's crazy, Grace's crag.
They're both Gracey and smart, really smart. That makes sense. Okay, Yeah,
what were your like best moments from season one? If
you if you if you have any uh best always
shot at night? Yeah, we always shot at night. We're
always cold. So you I didn't have prosthetics in this
(36:58):
show ever, not even in a dream sequence. No, not once,
completely scott free. Now you know three different kinds of
martial arts though, karate, kung fu, and what's the third one. Now,
I've studied a lot of different taekwondo, karate, a little
bit of winking chung and now I'm in krawbmaga and
(37:21):
I'm studying uh tungshudo, which is a different form of karate. Interesting. Yeah, Now,
have you ever done a surfing movie or No? I
can't get cast as a surfer. What I know, you
look like a surfer to me. I don't know what
I'm but they always want, like Hollywood's funny place. It'll
(37:41):
be like people will walk in or you know, they go,
can you surf? I go, yeah, yeah, I get sir.
You can be like I'm the greatest surfer in the
world and on this not and they believe him in
the person can't even paddle a surfboard. Oh my lord,
Well you've you've served in Fiji almost every year? Ye?
Hawaii north Shore every winner. Wow. My brother lives about
(38:05):
fifteen minutes from north Shore. He bought a house up
in the hills there nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he uh.
We've a lot in common in the sense that's off
topic of Teen Wolf, and that we're both scuba divers.
I think we're both love our vans. You have a
converted van, yeah, and and we're both outdoorsy. But none
of this was ever conveyed in Teen Wolf. No no,
(38:29):
but but I feel like you definitely got stunts in
the movie. Like, how are your thoughts on the movie?
Did you enjoy seeing everyone and that's the last time
we saw each other. It was lovely coming back and
seeing everybody. I mean, I remember going in for the
fitting and walking into that studio and it's like barber
in that room, and it's just like, oh my god,
it's it. While that we were back, it's like this
weird fever dream that is somehow reality. Exactly the first
(38:53):
day when I pulled up, when I pulled out a
base camp and Carol was there, it was too weird. Okay,
it's too weird. This is bizarre. The fact that Kara
came back to do the La portion of of Teen
Wolf was incredible. Yeah. Yeah, And did you wear the
same outfit as four years ago? Yeah? Yeah, same, You're surfing,
(39:16):
Vizique stays the same, same, same stuff. It's like, yeah,
it was crazy and it was a fun. It was
fun just to be around the people. Um, I think
we made a fun movie. I think that it's I
always look at that, you know, these kind of things ago.
Could you have done this different? Could you have done
this different? Yeah? Maybe, But at the end of the day,
(39:38):
I think we made a lot of people really happy.
That's exactly why I keep Yeah, that's pretty darn cool. Yeah.
Did you ever think season seven or a movie would
ever happen? Um? You and Jeff are pretty close, you
guys grabbed dinners very close. Um. Yeah, he talked. I remember,
I can't remember when, but he was like, do you
(40:00):
want to do a movie? And I was like yeah,
and then you know, it was it was I think,
you know, announcing it before you have a script was
was no tough man. Yeah, that's that's that's We talked
about that on this podcast. Where you know so much.
There's so many moving pieces that creators don't have control of,
and that's business and passing an ip that's expensive to
(40:24):
another studio that's essentially on lease and it's like one, two, three,
go and and make something of it and create a
bigger world of wolves. And so there's only one Jeff Davis,
but there was an entire show of Wolfpack plus teen Wolf.
And if the die hard fans know anything about Jeff
Davis is that he wants to be involved in everything
(40:45):
he cannot he can't. No, he's not. Jeff doesn't delegate.
He's like, he's like, I want to delegate. I want
to delegate. I'm gonna delegate. I can't delegate. Jeff's a
quiet guy, but he cares so much, so deeply about
everything that he does, and so I think that's why
he can't delegate um. And so writing two of those
(41:07):
things at the same time, it was you know, it
meant a lot to all of us, and so we
were just really grateful that we got to come back
and do this. Yeah, I wish to Lenski had way
more of a martial arts background, where like, as you know,
if you find out that he had a deeper past
and was like, you know, being a sheriff, was he
thought was going to go take the easier path out,
(41:28):
That's what I would have built for you. I never
got like a great fight scene. That's kind of sorry,
given you your experience and that Jeff wasn't I know,
but I think that it's like, I don't know. It
was good and I had a really fun fight, you know,
like in that final thing worked out. I wasn't gonna
say your your stunts with the ONI's were amazing. Yeah,
(41:50):
with that, but so with the ones that was all.
That was all me. But I had worked out this
whole fight with that final thing. And I get the
gun and this and that, and uh, you know, I
wrap up his thing and I hit him in the
head and then I and then I get the clip
in and I go to shoot him and I haven't
chambered around, and I'm like and it goes click, and
(42:11):
I'm like and then and then I just rack it
on the side of his head and then shoot him
and it got cut. It got cut. Yeah, but it
was good. It was a really fun, fun sequence. I
remember you rolling around in the woods that night because
I was always visiting set. Oh my God on her
shoulder and I was like Jesus, I was like, Lindon
(42:32):
is like tumbling out there, oh, flinging myself onto the ground,
and I'm like, hey, I have a stunt. I have
a stunt double, and Russe's like, no, it looks really
good with you doing it. I'm like yeah, but and
You're like, yeah, but my shoulder, Come on, guys, yeah yeah,
I know. I got that the microphone right on the
top of my shoulder, you know, like the police mike,
and it just got right in the shoulder. But I
(42:54):
think that was probably a mistake. All the things that
people were when they're watching a movie, they don't they're
the logistics behind it that just always catch us up
on set and so whenever there's a lot of props
or things that hang off our bodies. Screen fighting is
not the same as real fighting, you know, Stunt fighting
is not the same. It's it's like real fighting is
really quick and really quick and and and you don't
(43:17):
it doesn't probably look great. Screen fighting is is big,
and it's important to like boom, you look and you
get the camera something to go to and you and
your your moves are pretty well defined and it's a choreography.
It's a day Yeah, it's a day performance. Y, yes, exactly.
We had good stuff doubles on Teen Wolf, though they
were the creatures and because it's so much you know, movement,
(43:40):
or move, you know, that's what our show was essentially.
Um Tyler's got this part where he convulses in the
in the gymnasium, and it made me think back, like god,
he was eighteen, really carrying the show and the physicality
of what was required of him. It was something that
stuck out to me. And and you were definitely the
same the day, just at the end. But I wanted
(44:03):
to have you on because you're such a presence. Obviously
you would not have been the same if it didn't
have skill and ski like, think about that, it wouldn't
been the same without you either. I remember just like
being so impressed with you and like and just a
good actor, good actor. Well, I was lucky that your
your wife was my was my mom and then also
(44:24):
my girlfriend because she's so pretty. I was like, what
the what do you think? I kind I came from her.
That's okay, I'll take it absolutely well. I just wanted
to have you on and chatted about teen Wolf in
the movie. You for having me. Thank you for your time.
I appreciate it. I love you. I'll see you soon, okay,
love you, honey, see you bye bye. Thanks for listening, y'all.
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