In Sheep’s Clothing (w/ Jill Wagner - S1, E4)

Upon first meeting, Holland thought Jill was “a pretty, but tough girl” and boy was she right. Years later they sit down to discuss her career. From her first audition which consisted of an embarrassing moment of her make-shift head shot, to being fired from a role, to the major success of Teen Wolf. 

Plus, find out what was said on an out of the blue phone call from Ashton Kutcher, that kept her in the game!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Haller Back Now with Me, Holland Rowden and
I Hunt Radio podcast. Hey guys, we're back for another
episode of Haller Back Now and we have a lovely
lady that I have not seen in a while, but
I admire her entire career on and off camera, Ladies

(00:22):
and gentlemen. Joe Wagner, also known as Kate Argent. Oh,
I love you. I love you, honey. You are like
the big sister that I've never had. I remember when
you came in on teen Wolf and like your energy,
and the trailer was like, who is this pretty but
tough girl? Have you ever gotten that before? Like, I'm

(00:45):
sure you have. You know, It's it's weird. It's like
I have I really connect to my guests. You could
say my male energy that I have. And maybe it's
because I was raised by my dad and hung out
with my dad's friends and brother's friends, and so it
was just like this male energy. But I think I've
like it rubbed off on me in some way. And um,

(01:07):
I think I'm yeah, usually a little bit tougher than
the average chick, but you know, I'm still I'm still sissy.
Sometimes I felt maybe that's where I felt like a
kinship towards you because we were both were very good
friends with Ian Bowen, and Ian Bowen is like such
a rough and tumbled child Bobo is he puts a

(01:31):
smile on her face and makes you roll your eyes
at the same time. Um, you know, I think he
was the first So when we went to Atlanta, I
think he might have been the first person, the first
cast mate that I actually met, because I went to
ask you that. I think I went downstairs and he
was gosh. I can't really remember exactly, but I but

(01:54):
somehow I think we wound up at a bar shocker shocker,
like you want to go get a drink? And I
was like, oh, right, like and it just was this
automatic kind of like he's I've known him forever. We
you know. And that's a lovely thing about filming a
show and being with people is that you know not everyone,

(02:15):
but some people you get you find this connection with
and you wind up having life long friends. And I've
done it with almost every single one of my projects.
And I think that's what I love most about our world,
is the relationships and how close you get to people,
because when you are doing a show or a movie,

(02:37):
or whatever. I mean, that's your that is your family,
you know, and you learn really intimate details about one another,
and you go through the highs and lows and it's
and it's just a beautiful thing. And I and I
treasure it, you know. It is like because of what
we do, there's this fine line between like you know,
like you said, just getting in the trenches and it's

(02:58):
like a big group therapy set depending on the you know,
the material of the project as well, and so yeah,
and it's oddly enough, I find that sometimes I open
up more to my fellow actors than I do even
to my family and my close friends, which is and
I think I do that because we are such emotionally

(03:20):
driven creatures, you know what I mean, That's what we
do for a living. We analyze emotions and we put
it out there. And I think I and there's a
part of me that feels really safe talking to other
actors about personal stuff too, you know what I mean
That I that I kind of maybe am a little
tougher and hide from my family because I'm like, they

(03:41):
don't they don't want to hear all that. I grew
up in Texas as the tomboy playing sports, And I'm
assuming you had a similar situation in North Carolina. Yeah,
and Winston Salem, North Carolina. How big is that population? Oh? Well,
actually it's funny I claim Winston Salem, but I'm actually

(04:02):
from a little town called Wahlberg. Gets smaller. It's small, Yeah,
it's smaller. I never say Wahburg because everybody's like, where's that?
So for me to I'm just like, I'm from Winston
Salem because it's about twenty minutes away from from Wallburg.
But no, Wallburg. I don't even know the current population.
I just know that it was super small. We didn't

(04:23):
have I don't think we had a stoplight. Yeah, so
this is under five k Yeah, I think so. Well,
the town that I live in now is eight hundred. No,
I did not know you all were that small. Yeah,
we're like Teleco planes is like, I mean, I'm sure
it's I'm sure it's a little over that now. I

(04:43):
think that's what's on the internet, But um, we are.
I mean it's like Mennonites with their horse and buggies,
and I mean that's my traffic situation there, moving from
Los Angeles to that. You don't have the Tesla horse
yet the electric Horse. No, not yet, but when it
comes to LA because just like I'll test it for

(05:04):
you and that you know how Yeah I was to say,
you know, I grew up with that identity of like
the soccer player and the dancer, and you know, so
for me it was I was almost it wasn't an
embarrassment to be an actor, but it was this vulnerability
that I felt odd sharing. I felt like I had
two different identities. Yeah, And I don't know if you

(05:27):
felt that same thing where you when you came to
Los Angeles it was like you do get to reinvent
yourself and people can see you in a completely different light.
Where I had this almost like a secret that I
wanted to storytell, and for some reason that was viewed
as not necessarily a weakness but an exposed you know,

(05:48):
wound almost in Texas for sure. I mean, yeah, I
totally agree with you. I had a similar experience. And
I think that even in my scenes, like I wasn't
a person that grew up kind of emoting my oddly
enough my emotions. I really really kept everything behind doors.
And I was, you know, that stoic chick that never

(06:10):
cried and this and that but some of my scenes
that I would do force me to have those emotions
outwardly in front of people, and it kind of cracked
me open and in a way, and I was like,
wait a minute, all right, So the world isn't like
coming to an end if I have an emotion. But

(06:30):
you know, it just took me a minute to get
there because I've I've always looked up to my dad,
who I find, you know, oddly enough he cries later
on and you know, he's seventy seventy four now now
he's like emotional teddy bear, But before he was you know,
Marie tough marine and you know, um, so I tried

(06:52):
to emulate that. And I find as you get older,
you get a little wiser and you understand that likes
and sharing them with people are what life is about.
And soft is like not sappy, it's it's not goodful.
And as women, especially as women, we have this beautiful

(07:14):
thing that God has given us, this softness to us.
And I think that a lot of time women think
that that's well. I did that being vulnerable and being
soft was a weakness, and it's so not. It's a
beautiful thing that a woman is given and it's like, Wow,
why don't we why don't we share that? And I

(07:36):
think that's something that people love about us, you know. Yeah,
that's one of the reasons. You know. I know that
Hollywood's a very controversial place and it's it's a lot
of things. But the one thing I loved that, you know,
acting and moving to Los Angeles gave me was that
entire medium and entire port you know, portal to to
have that outlet because I was the same one growing up,

(07:58):
and I love of that Southern tough women can find
such a home and a bleeding heart that they can
they can showcase and they can bring into their personal lives,
and I know it's really a healing process. I think
for me, when I became an actor and I was
able to admit that I was an actor, like it

(08:19):
was like some sort of rehab center, Like I am
an actor and I'm aware of it. Yeah, Well, we
are in our own right. We have this little group,
and I think we all kind of understand it to
be therapy, and I feel like a lot of us
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(09:30):
Los Angeles? You're Burnam Wahlberg. Then went in Salem and
then how did you how did you get into acting?
I know you in two thousand and one. You went
to a modeling school. We've done our research. Fun back
in the door, you know, it's so funny, Like I
went to that, I don't actually go like it was

(09:51):
kind of like they were having a contest where it
was like, oh, you could like be a model, and
I was like, look, I need money, so that's where
I come from. The It was really as simple as
a check. I need money. And I was like, I
don't know where I work in at Abercrombie. I can't
really remember at that point in my life what I
was doing, but I know I was like odd jobs

(10:13):
in this and that. And I was like, look I
heard that like models like get paid. Right. Were you
in school when this happened? So I was in college, okay,
and so yeah, I mean I tried my stint at
that that kind of went nowhere, but it did like
kind of give me. I don't know, I guess the

(10:34):
guts to kind of say, look, I don't have to
live right in because I traveled a little bit with it, right,
So I went to New York and Miami, And then
I was thinking, well, I don't have to live in
North Carolina because everybody I knew just stayed there and
that was just it. You just like you have a
ten mile radius of where you grew up and that
was it. And so I kept thinking, well, what if

(10:58):
there's something else out there or that I just don't
know about yet, you know, I don't necessarily knew know
that I was talking about a career. I think I
was just curious. I was just really curious about what
else is out there, you know, And I've always been curious.
And so my grandparents gave me, like I think it

(11:20):
was four thousand dollars that they had saved up for me,
and they were like, here, there you go. All the
grandkids get that when they graduated, and they gave it
to me, and I was like, well, I'm rich now.
Like I thought, oh my god, I could live like
a year off of this, and the way I lived,
I could. I could totally live. I believe that. And

(11:40):
so yeah, I just went out to Los Angeles. Didn't
really have any sort of a plan. Had never acted
before in my life, had never taken acting cloud. Didn't
do it in high school, didn't do it in college.
Not because I didn't want to. It was because I didn't.
It was like no one kind of introduced me to it,
to be honest, I didn't connect the dots. Yeah, I
didn't connect the dots yet and I've never tried it

(12:02):
because I was a sports tick. I liked basketball, and
so yeah, and then went out to Los Angeles and
just met people just from talking to people, just talking
to people, becoming friends with people because I didn't know anybody.
And then I met a guy named Alex Fox and
he bent me off on this audition and which he

(12:24):
was like, I think you should audition for this show.
Like you got this weird, like kind of quirky personality
where I think it would work for the show because
you don't know a lot about Hollywood and I think
it would work for the show. I'm like, what show?
He's like, Punked, the show called Punked from which he
punked celebrities like Usher and like and I didn't know
half of it. That was your first job was Punked.
That was like my first real acting job. And I

(12:49):
remember in the audition process he was like, so you
have to bring in a headshot and go and I
was like, what is an audition? He's like, it's a
little bit like a like a job interview you. And
I'm like, oh, I can do that. He was like,
bringing a headshot and go to this address at this time,
So what do I do? I take a polaroid of
my head because I have a head shot. A headshot

(13:12):
to me, that's what bod shot head shot, you know.
I walk in there and there's all these beautiful, amazing
actresses and models with these wonderful, you know, flawless eight
by ten glossy headshot, and I'm like, what is that?
Everybody had him? Anyway, I gave it to the girl

(13:32):
and I was like, okay, like I feel so stupid.
And I remember Ashton was at that one and he
comes out with mine and he was like who is this?
He and I loved it. Yeah, Well he thought I
did it on purpose, and to which to this day,
I've never told him that I didn't do it. Oh
you you need to write him like a little letter

(13:52):
of a half holidays by the way, and you should
put a polaroid of just your head again, but this
time with your whole family. Like he thought I was brilliant. Yeah,
but that was it. That was you know. He for
my audition. He was like okay, So I auditioned and
then he was like, I want to take you up
to um mahlland you remember that was there's that um

(14:14):
I think it's a Starbucks up on the top of
ma Holland in that little market. Anyway, we went there
and he was like, okay, I'm gonna like go in
before you and I just want you to go and
like reek havoc, and so I went into Look. The
only thing is I was like, you gotta get me
out of jail if I go to jail. He's like, Okay,
I'll get you out of jail. And I just remember

(14:35):
telling them that I was from North Carolina and I
was really depressed because I used to be a barista
and they retired my number. I was number two fifty
seven and barista school. I made up all this shit anyway,
Like they really had so much fun. Did you were nervous?
It was so much fun. I wasn't nervous because I
just didn't know. I didn't even really know who Ashton was.

(14:58):
Like I didn't know who any buddy. When I was
punking Usher, I thought he was an actor. I didn't
know who Usher was. I didn't know he played Mick's girlfriend.
Was that accurate? Is researching? This is me trying to
remember this is also didn't know who Mick G was,
had no clue who MICKG was. Like, didn't when you
were punking Katie Holmes, I knew who she was, but

(15:22):
but didn't really care, you know what I mean? Like
I was just straight off the bus and I was
just like, I from you know, North Carolina, and I'm
usually outside, I'm not near TV, and I'm just I
didn't know. I just didn't know what I was getting into.
And then, um, you know, there was a really really
cool story that nobody knows about, only very few people

(15:44):
know about with Ashton and me is. Um I booked
a show called The north Shore. Right after punked, I
booked a show called The north Shore, and um I
shot it with Peyton Reid and Jason Momoa and Christopher Blaha,
a lot of people who I'm still friends with today.
That's an adventure group right there. Yeah, it was, and

(16:05):
it was probably one of the best shoots of my
entire life. We had we were in Hawaii, had so
much fun. Well anyway, so um, I guess they decided
to go with a different director and wanted to reshoot
the pilot and everything. Well, I got fired along with
some other people, and I remember I was just I

(16:26):
was just like, this is not for me. I don't
like this world is not for me. And so somehow
it had gotten back to Ashton and I was driving
down Mahaland one evening and my phone rings. I answer
it and he's like, hey, he's like wags. He's called
me wags. Wags. Did anyone else call you wags? That's
such a funny nickname. That's a great Yeah, that's it's funny.

(16:47):
The people on this show called me wags. That's funny.
He called me wags. And he was like, hey, listen.
He was like, so, I don't have a lot of
time here. He's like, but I just want to he goes,
I heard about north Shore, I heard about the show's
I just want to tell you a story. He said.
So when I moved out to La he goes, I
auditioned and a book two shows. I'm like, where's this going?

(17:10):
Because this is now I want to hear. He was like,
a book, two shows. One was a comedy, one was not.
And he was like, I couldn't make up my mind
which one I wanted to do. It was really really
hard for me. He was like, So the people the
studio in which had the drama told me, they were like, look,

(17:31):
you're not funny. You're not funny. You're never gonna work
in comedy. This show will make you a star. And
he was like, I felt in my gut, like what
I wanted to do was the comedy. He was like,
so I wound up doing it. He was like, although
I was really afraid after I talked to all those
executives at that big network, he was like, they made

(17:52):
me feel like I was making the wrong decision. He
was like, I had to go with my gut. He
was like, that show was at seventies show, the comedy,
and he said, so, my point of telling you this,
he said, is that sometimes the suits don't know what
they're talking about. And he was like, I hired you
because I saw something, and I think you should continue

(18:13):
to do this and not go home, don't give up,
and so and literally that was it, and that was
and it was in the holiday Polaroid card. I know, well,
he probably wouldn't even remember, but it was literally it
was that moment where you know, I don't know if

(18:34):
I would have left or not, but I was certainly
feeling down on myself and kind of lost. And sometimes
it really sometimes people can It doesn't always have to
be an Ashton Kutcher or a big celebrity. Sometimes people
can say things at the right moment to where it
hits so hard and it's like that's all I needed.
That's all I needed to get me back on track.

(18:55):
And he probably doesn't realize that he did that for me,
but he did that for me, and I'll never forget it,
and I try to do that for people. I try
to remember what he did, and I try to do
that from time to time for other people, other young girls,
other young actors that maybe in a similar situation. You know,

(19:16):
oh yeah, yeah, it's warranted. Right when it's warranted, you know,
you do come in with such gusto and such confidence externally. Um,
just that looks like, you know, that looks like it
comes from within, and I know it does, but it's
it's it's I think it's always fascinating to hear these
stories when it's like you you didn't feel that you
belonged or that you like that, that that was that

(19:39):
you were contemplating going home and and feeling that you know,
of course you're going to feel the role of coaster
of of a show not going forward, and it's you know,
I did a show on HBO that it did six
episodes of a dark comedy and then they didn't air
any of them. They had the whole comic can Yeah,
my first show and it was with Lily Tomlin and
Gary Cole and you know, these like comedy giants that

(20:00):
I would have had a very different career. And um,
I just thought shows didn't air because then team Will
took it took a year and a half from the
pilot to area. I was like, I felt like everything
was a short student film because I was like, oh no,
like I so I never actually connected anything to from
airing And to this day, when I look at a scene,

(20:21):
I'm like, oh, that's when I took my dog to
the vet. That's when, like I think of so much
of my life memory that sense memory connected to my
life at that point in that project. So you know,
the the airing portion, I'm like, oh, yeah, that happens.
And so you like producing this podcast, I have to
go back and walk, you know, listen to the episodes,

(20:41):
you know, make sure everything's that sounds okay and flows,
and and then now we're watching the show, and so
I am it's just interesting to hear that you know
this business. Obviously we get you down from a show
going forward, but just you just have such an air
about you that is so particular remind me of my

(21:01):
stepmom because you would think you're from Louisiana, Like there
is something so cajun about you, like have you bet
it's a massive compliment. I mean, she's a boatload of fun,
tons of confidence. You can totally take a joke, but
then we'll get serious real fast and be like this
what you need to do. Here's your guys, Like you know,

(21:21):
it's like there's just a lot of centeredness around all
that fun and so and so you guys have a
very similar Yeah, that's an interesting way to put it,
because that's way I feel inside. I feel like there's
a strong root system in myself and I think that's
where the confidence. The confidence comes from my family from
a vert from the time I was born, making me

(21:45):
feel like it wasn't like, oh, you can do anything
you want. My dad was just like, go do it
and fail. Just go do it and fail. See what happens. Yeah,
you know what I mean. There wasn't ever like, well,
you're gonna do everything perfect. It was just this sense
of realness and genuineness around everybody that I kind of

(22:05):
grew up within my family and there was no sugarcoating
that was just it was just like, look, Jill, this
is how it is. And I think I loved that,
and I had such a good childhood because of that
that I've modeled myself around it and and it just
naturally comes right. I'm so grounded. It doesn't matter if

(22:26):
you put me. I always say this, it doesn't matter
if you put me in from the United the President
of the United States, or at a biker bar, I
am going to be the exact same person because that's
just who I am. I can't believe that, you know,
And I think that's where confidence comes from. If you
are who you are and you're comfortable in that, there
is no other way to be but confident. And it

(22:48):
doesn't mean cocky, it doesn't mean it just means you're
settled in who you are. And I think that's a
beautiful thing with people. I love seeing someone who I'm
like that's they're being authentically because you can tell how
they're happy, you know. I just love seeing that like
in this business too, because it's it's something that can
be such shaky ground and so to see deep roots

(23:10):
and people with a very particular flare coming in that's
genuine is like what this business needs. And like, how
did wipe out? Because you are so smart, Jill, like
so smart, and I remember thinking this, you are though,
and I don't know if you knew it, but you were,
because I remember you and Ian were like best friends,

(23:30):
you know, for so many years, and mister Peter Hale
mean boone himself and it's and I remember thinking, like,
this girl's got it together. You always had a fun,
good job, like you just figured it out and you
paved such a particular path for yourself. It was a
very particular, like I still look back and I'm like,
I don't have like it's such a weird career path.

(23:54):
But it wasn't thought out, you know what it was,
And you said it like it was all about fun.
And I hate to like, I hate to like kind
of dumb myself down. It's not, It's not dumb at all.
Like life is way too short. And when things for
me stop being fun, like I'm not out here to
win any awards, I never have that I don't care
about any of that stuff. What I do care about

(24:17):
is from day to day when I go to work,
that I'm I'm fulfilled and I'm working around people that
are good people that I love, that I laugh, that
I have fun stories. I mean, all of that means
so much to me, like the actual process, even the
final product, Like, oh god, I probably shouldn't say this

(24:38):
out loud, but I'm going to the final product doesn't
matter as much as the process to me, Like this
is my life. The product will live on, yes, but
this is my life now. And these days, every hour
that I spend with these people and these conversations, and
I've had some really great d went to lunch with

(25:01):
a fellow cast mate today and we had this super
deep conversation in which I'm like, Wow, I'm so glad
that I can that I can share this with people.
You know. It's like it's just such a beautiful thing
that we do, and and I'm sure other people have it. Look,
I love interior design, Like I would totally go off
and do that at some point, and I might, I

(25:22):
don't know, you know. I think it's when we start
to say, Okay, I have to do this and this
has got to be the next thing. That's when you'll fail.
It's when you are like water, when you let yourself
flow and kind of go in between the cracks every
once in a while and flow off to the right
or the left and just just do it. You know,

(25:42):
just go where life takes you and don't always fight it.
You know, I'm really proud of You've did this from
like day one and I and I noticed that a
teen wolf, because you get a lot of voices in
your ears saying like, oh, don't take that show or
to you know, it's trying to carve start and I'm like,

(26:03):
and I finally it took me. I did not, It
did not come naturally to me where I felt so
much pressure and um, in the last couple of years,
I've said, no, I'm going to go exactly where I
want to go. I love interviewing people. I have seen
every episode of Oprah. Uh, and you're so sweet, like
you're really podcast is I'm sure you have, but it's uh,

(26:28):
it's something very comfortable, and it's a world I can
tell in which you feel very comfortable and so that
like lean into that and which I know you do
because you're you're doing it. You know, it's been it's
been fun that you know, but you were one of
the first people I thought of, and you know, I
don't get to obviously see you, you know, on a
regular basis, So like I this is, this is my
platfor I was like, oh, we get to talk to everybody.

(26:49):
I know this, even if it's not a podcast like
this catch up with me was wipe Out so fun
when you hosted wipe Out, Like did you audition? Like
how did that happen? That's an even crazier story. I
am fascinated with Wipeout, so it was yeah, so I

(27:11):
had done. I was a spokesperson for a car for
like six years for it was Mercury, so I had
all these Mercury commercials going. Well. Apparently the creator of
wipe Out, Matt Kunitz, he saw me on these commercials
and he was like, oh my gosh, she would be
great for hosting the show. So I was just like,

(27:34):
what is happening. So Ken Lender, which is a big
hosting agent like the like a really big guy an
industry forever, he contacted my manager and was like, hey,
I think you know your client would be great for
the show. Well I turned it down. I was like,
I was like, I'm not hosting. I was like, I

(27:56):
not because I thought I was too good or I didn't.
I was like, I don't don't know how, I don't
know why they way like I was thinking like Joan
rivers and like, I can't do that. I was like, no,
I can't do that, Like, no, I'm an actor, I
can't host because I don't know how well. I said no.
So anyway, months go by and then I'm at my

(28:17):
grandma's house in North Carolina and my manager calls again.
Was like, look like they're calling again and they really
really want you to just sit down and talk with
them and all that, and I was like, look, I
was like, I am not flying my ass, but I'm
at grandma's house. I'm like, if anybody wants to come
and see me, they can come out to grandma's house.

(28:39):
They did not come to grandma's house. So they did.
They had two camera guys come to my grandma's house.
My audition was me auditioning my brother and his best
friend that I was just like, okay, you've won. Wipe out,
Like what are you gonna do with the money? And
he's like, buy diapers. I'm like, what the hell are
you talking about? What? You just have a kid? Like no,

(29:02):
and I was like, like diapers. He was like, well,
I was nervous. He was nervous. Diapers is what it
comes to some mind. I was like, well, I got
twins on the way and so I was like, wow,
you really went there with the whole acting thing. Um.
But yeah, so that was my that was my audition,
and I had no clue what I was doing. Like

(29:26):
you talk about, I didn't even know how to hold
the microphone. I was trying to do it like I
was like okay, so like as if. I was like,
you know, a character like how and I was like
trying to hold it like sideways and cool and they
were like, yeah, Genal, we can't hear the contestant. It's like,
oh my god, that's so funny though, that's how you
got the job. Yeah. It was saying no. Typical. I

(29:49):
was like typical situation. And I actually had no idea
you had said no. I thought you had said yes,
and you were like sure, Wow, that's that's I had
no idea. Yeah, I said no and um, and then
they just kept on and he was like, no, I
think that she's right for it. I think that she's
right and you know, I have to say and that

(30:10):
that has led me into like one of my life lessons.
When you're when you're fearful of something, I I think
you should run towards it, not away from it. Now.
I don't mean like run into a pit of fire
like I mean, you know, um, gravitate towards your fears
more because the more familiar something is to you, the

(30:32):
less scary it is. Um. And that's just the fat
there's I'm obsessed with YouTube. It's my favorite thing to watch.
And um, there is a channel called yes Theory. Um,
these boys say yes to everything because they have this
sort of slogan that says seek discomfort, and so seeking

(30:53):
discomfort brings a lot of joy in your life when
you lean into something that has resistance. Yeah, well, because
I think subconsciously you're like I've conquered that, Like whether
you have or not, whatever it is, you know, it's like, okay,
it's it's not as bad. Well, my dad has this
saying nothing's ever as bad or as good as it seems,

(31:14):
and I kind of find that true except for right now.
I'm like, no, Dad, this is pretty much as good
as it seems. In better my situation right now that
I'm you know, with the show and everything, it's been
way bigger than I could ever have thought. But but yeah,
I think that people need to remember that it's never

(31:35):
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(32:44):
Wolf come around? Like? Did you how did Jeff meet you?
How did you meet Jeff? Did you audition? Yeah? I
had done a movie called Splinter. Toby Wilkins was the director.
He magic Bullet your first episode. Yes, yeah, so that's
how I That's how m Jeff found out about me
because of me. And I was actually in my in

(33:08):
my trailer on wipe Out on the wipe Out set
when I auditioned for teen Wolf. In my trailer, it
was just like I was like, God, can this be
more like high schoolish right now? Um? But you do
what you have to, you know, and then send it
in and um and has no idea. That's what came
from Toby Wilkins. Yeah, I came from Toby. Oh he

(33:31):
needs a polaroid Happy Holidays as well. You know it
means do you know what he's doing now? Haven't talked
to him forever? No? I don't. I have. I feel
like I'm going to text him after this part of
the podcast is like we want you know. I feel
like it's tip the cast is the tip of the
Iceberg and then there's the rest of the company obviously,
and so you know, makeup artists, different executives, the casting

(33:53):
director Wundio Brian what we would hopefully be on here,
and then I am praying we get Toby on here.
Um yeah, for sure, for sure. I'm gonna actually text
him after him in so many years, I'm just gonna say,
he popped up on your podcast and it's lovely. Do
you remember your first line on Teen Wolf? And that's

(34:15):
okay if you don't, but it is an epic first
line running out into the street you've just shot the Oh.
It was like, come on god, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was such a fun line. It was such like
a rocky, like bad moment to have is your first
line on Teen Wolf? I love that scene, the gun

(34:38):
that everything. I'm like, oh, like, can I just be
Kate Argent without the murder? Murder? The great thing about
Teen Wolf is anyone who had this malevolent tone to
them also was so likable at the same time. I mean,
Peter Hale was a villain that was also very likable.

(34:59):
I mean, how do you not like Ian Bowen, though, well,
how do you not like hate Argent? You had such
a likability to that. I don't know. I think a
lot of people didn't like Kate like it was funny
is because you know, you you try not to read
the stuff online because I'm like, oh god, I know
him the villain, like nobody's saying, and like people really
get invested and they're like, you know, death to still

(35:24):
Wagner And I'm like, oh my god, well I'm not.
I don't I'm not really her, but I feel like
you felt like such a I know you were her aunt,
but you felt such a big sister to Crystal's character,
to Alice. Yeah, I loved that role. I love Teen Wolf.
I think it's such a great show. It's iconic show.
It will be an iconic show. I mean you guys

(35:45):
in an essence like grew up, Oh, grew up. Yeah,
I was a senior in college. Tyler Posey and Dylan
were eighteen years old when they when they remember they
were babies. Babies. Yeah, And you know we joked that,
like the fart jokes were right up till action on
Teen Wolf because of Tyler and Dylan, and to this day,

(36:06):
that show trained me as an actor. With like the
night shoots, the wetness that told the you know, but
we had so much fun and it was I've heard
other people go to other projects and big movies and um,
I think Dylan had a story where, you know, he
was on some a pretty intense shoot and everybody, you know,
that was kind of a lot for them, and he

(36:27):
was like, well, this is like a Wednesday on teen Wolf,
Like this is not a problem. Like we are all
just very I guess well trained because of that show,
and so I was always really grateful for it. But
had you ever shot a gun on screen prior to that?
Like it was that the first time? Yeah? Yeah, on Blade,
the series I played, that makes sense. Yeah, Krista Starr,

(36:49):
she she had some some stuff going on. So you
had some bad roles before before, Kate. Yeah, but I
also had some like you know, girl at the Bar
and neighbor and girl next Door and those like they
don't even have names, they just have Girl at the
backstory was just never showcase, but it was there. Yeah.

(37:12):
I mean, you know, you you have to do. I
think that's one of the things that I that I've
really tried to do is to speak out things that
are are built around a strong female personality strong, character strong,
you know what I mean? Like, actually, I probably should
do the opposite, to be honest with you, because that

(37:34):
would be way harder for me to play anyone that
is you know what I mean that that is Meek
and um, I don't know, I don't even know if
I don't even know if I could do it. To
be honest, you could totally do it. You could totally
do it. I think I don't know you could do it.
But my character on this show is definitely online us

(37:55):
is definitely not that character. So we'll get to that too. Um,
your next scene is you shoot Derek. Yeah, you remember
this and the world. Do you remember your first crossing
with with Tyler Hecklin on or off screen? Because you
guys had great chemistry, the fact that it was Werewolf
Werewolf Hunter, and like the sexual chemistry was amazing on

(38:18):
that show with Tyler Hecklin. Yeah, I mean, gosh, how
could you not like you like those abs? Like, I mean,
it was just you know, there was like eye candy everywhere. Um,
it's weird. I didn't really like I remember there was
a there was I think like Posey was having like
some sort of a house party or something and he

(38:39):
was there. There wasn't like I don't know, we were like.
It wasn't like Ian like I was, you know, oh
my gosh, we're like brother and sister. Right in the beginning,
was very serious almost I wouldn't say shy, So that's
what I want to say, Like I felt like he
was really shy. Um, very different man. Now he's now

(39:00):
become very good friends to Ian Bowen and very similar people. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and they both become really good friends and I try
to keep up with both of them, and I'm glad
they're on that show together. Was it Superman Superman? Yes? Yeah,
that was a really fun relationship. I wish it would
have been explored more because there was just this love hate.

(39:23):
You know. I think that Kate probably really still felt something,
but she was just you know, it's kind of hard
once you kind of go down that road. You're just like, Okay,
I love you so much, I'm gonna kill you. Like
you know what I mean. There's feelings that I may
or may not have had. It was fun that you guys,

(39:45):
like in that supernatural genre, you get to go there,
you get to be a little bigger than life and
and have that I love you so much, I'm going
to kill you. And then there's somehow a little bit
of a comedic sassy zing on the and totally totally
I love that about Jeff's writing there is that there
can be a comedic tone right in the middle of it.

(40:07):
And I think that's what's great about your audience is
they get it, you know what I mean, they all
are your audience too, you know, and they're but they're
there for it, right they're they're there for it, and
they they understand and that genre is so um that
the fans are. I mean, they're so invested. Um. I
just love that, Like, you know, yeah, Team Will never

(40:27):
took it, always knew what it was. It never took
it too seriously. And I think all the personalities of
the actors involved in Team Will, we all got that too,
and got the humor and thought we were we were
in on the fun, we were in on the joke,
and so that's what I just loved about Kate. I
just I wish I wish you had a bigger arc
in the show, because it was so fun having like

(40:49):
the sas just just like whipping around. Um. Yeah. Yeah.
There was one scene where I loved it When uh
Posey was walking to the back, he asked me where
the bathroom was, and I was like worried. I got
what it was, but I forgot what the line was.
But it was like you look like a little lost puppy.
And then like just looking him down and he's like,

(41:11):
oh my god, it's like, you know, I feel like
you're addressing me. I'm like, yeah, yeah, it happened both ways. Huh.
Very very appropriate on teen Wolf. Yeah, yeah, totally. I
love when you asked him if if he took anything
from your bag and then no, I did, Yeah, No,

(41:33):
it was you know. The fun thing about Kate was
there was always, you know, kind of a wink behind
you know, you really kind of didn't know. I mean
I didn't even know. When I was reading her, I
was like, what it what she getting ready to do?
You know? You it was like she's she was kind
of like, hey, look at my hand while she's you
know us totally a slight of hand. Totally you wanted

(41:58):
to trust her because she was so ever vescent and charismatic,
but then you just didn't. And I think, you know,
for Allison, I think there was a true I think
there was a true love for her for her niece.
I really do. I do. But I also think that

(42:19):
she was a little militant when it comes to like
operation first, as far as if we're talking about, you know,
the operation of her family and what she was kind
of called to do or what she felt was her duty,
and I think she put that above everything well, and
so chargin I think you guys did as a sibyling

(42:43):
ship that it was family was entangled in the mission,
and so it is family first, but the family was
the mission. You're basically, you know, the supernatural royal family. Yeah,
the job is the mission. The mission is the job,
and the families in the middle of all of that bay. Yeah, yeah,

(43:04):
that's what I just There was never another chick that
walked into teen Wolf that had your exact flavor. And
that's what I loved about Kate Um. It was just
a lot of fun and I had fun with you guys.
I really did. Although I was like, oh my God, like,
who who am I I think I don't know how
old I was at the time when I went in,
but I feel like I was like, God, these kids,

(43:26):
these are babies, Like you guys were like babies. I'm like,
oh my god, and am I coming in like you weren't? No,
you were. You were definitely in your twenties. You were definitely.
Don't know, yes you were because it was fourteen years ago. Yes, yeah,
I mean it was, but it was a long time ago.
And like looking at Tyler and Dylan, I'm like, oh

(43:47):
my god, there so young. They were young. They were young.
I was twenty three. I think Crystal is twenty five.
And and that was, you know, to play someone with
her love interest, you know that, because she's so young
to play to play opposite of Tyler Posey who was
only eighteen eighteen eighteen. And then Hecklin was younger than me.

(44:09):
He was twenty one when he did Team Yes for
some reason because he has a five o'clock shadow. He
came out of the wound with five clock shadow. That
is true. And like one second, So we went on
a blind date, actually, Hecklan and I did you know this?
You didn't know this? No, I didn't know this. Yeah,

(44:30):
we went on a blind date. Um, how got hell?
So we were I met him in college. I was
not acting yet and our best friends dated for two
years and yeah, and so I knew Hecklin at all
our little house parties on the weekends. And my best
friend Mahali of like still my best friend twenty plus
years later, and she dated this dude that happened to

(44:52):
be Um was a child actor or teenage actor best
friends with Hecklin. So we went on a date and
um no, actually, I take that back. I had. I
had just I've been acting a year because I was
doing a cheerleading movie and he's very in his faith.
Called him Christian Nabs because he worked out all the time,
And um, I had. I knew a chick that I

(45:14):
thought was also Christian Abs, and she just I just
felt their energies were so similar, and I was like,
I think you actually should meet this chick I work with.
And on the day, on the days we were we
were immediately like brother and sister and so, um he
is very cute. Somehow I don't that doesn't connect form

(45:37):
because you know when someone's so cute, but you don't
really see them that way, and so yeah, he's adorable,
he's so handsome, But um no, all I saw him
with was this this woman. Did it work out? They
did it for a couple of years. Yeah, oh yeah,
you did good. I had another couple of my other
two couples are married, so so my track records decent.
But by sensing a TV show a Matchmaker with Holland,

(46:02):
oh god, no they haven't. There's enough of those love
shows out there. I will. I will leave that to
a bachel nation. We're Good or Love Island or whatever
whatever the popular one is, whichever we're on right now.
Oh my lord. Um but anyway, yeah, so so hecklin
Is is such a special place. But I love that.
I loved y'all storyline, and forever the fence scene will

(46:25):
be in my brain. Oh my god, the abs, the
licking of the abs. I think everybody came to set
that day. It was funny. I was like who, I'm like,
I was it Poesy or was Dylan or I forgot
who all came. But I'm like, you guys are in
the scene. You're not working. They're like, yeah, the licking
of the abs was scripted. I think I'm trying to

(46:48):
remember from I don't know, but I did it. That's great.
Oh we have to, like, I gotta ask Jeff if
he if he can remember if they were scripted or not.
I pretty I mean, God, that would be that would
that would have been a real ballsy move on my behalf.
But I'm not saying I wouldn't yet. I'm not saying
I didn't do it, but I definitely agreed with doing

(47:10):
it if it was scripted. Oh my lord, that's hilarious.
And do you have any wishes that you would have? Um?
You know, there's only so much time in episodes, as
we all know, Um, but what do you wish for Kate?
What do you think she is today? You know? I
just I just um, I wish I could see after

(47:30):
the finale, like what happened because she essentially kills Gerard, right,
who is the big bad wolf? Not really but probably wrong?
Wrong this screams man. Yeah, but that I would have
liked to have seen, like what happens to her? Just

(47:53):
like where you know, what happens? What does she do?
Does she remain who she is? Does she get even
you know, more twisted down the wrong path? Or does
she kind of come to and um, I don't know,
like because I guess that was her that was her goal, right? Yeah,
your character is definitely one of those that I would
have I would have liked a new chapter two yeah,

(48:15):
just I think another chapter just to see, like what
you know, where she is now? I don't know, and
I would hope at some point there was I think
there are redeeming qualities in Kate, although you know, she
essentially killed a lot of people, but I think there
is something there. I just don't I would like to
know what Jeff would write. You know, you were the

(48:37):
heart of this episode, and so I wanted to have
you on. And I love for people to get to
know everything else that they don't get to see it
that we know about you. I love to showcase here. No,
that's great. I mean, look, it's funny because when I
did you know, well, if it was, you know, obviously
you get like a lot of the hate mail and
you get people like, ah, like hey Kate, but I
don't think they really The people that know me are like,

(48:59):
oh god, yeah, no, you're just like you don't like that.
I'm like, yeah, no, I'm not mean, I don't know.
I think the sas that that Swagger's fun Sasser definitely, definitely,
that's such a good nickname. Man. That's great. I love it.
That's truly, It's like Kate Wagg's argent. Yeah, that's so true.

(49:23):
So you've done a lot since teen Wolf. You moved
to Tennessee, and and what's life been like for Joe
Wagner in the last like I'm a mom, which I
think is now for the biggest, greatest role I've ever had,
multiplied um and I love I know, Army, army and

(49:47):
Dave is such a beautiful name, like I had never
I'll never forget when you know in the world's photo
album that is Instagram. I was like, that is a
great name. How did you come with that beautiful name?
I mean, look, she A lot of people were like,
especially people in our family, were like, what in the
hell are you gonna name your little girl like that?

(50:09):
And look it for us, it was like, kid's neither
here nor there, Like I don't care who says what
I'm gonna name my kid like my kid, I've never
even It's such a genius name. I think all for
us it was, well, thank you, and for us it
was I mean, there's a little too much information, but
she was conceived on July fourth. We wanted a patriotic name,
and you know, we were like going through all these names,

(50:32):
and then I thought about the reason why I love David,
my husband, her father, and I was like, because part
of the reason there's a lot of reasons I love him,
but part of the initial reason why I fell in
love with him was that he was in the army
and he was protecting I just find it so for me.

(50:55):
It is such an attractive thing when someone is puts
themselves in the line of fire and protect someone you know.
And he was like, he was Canadian and he joined
the US Army, and he was like, so, I don't know,
it just actually came, just came to you. I love

(51:16):
the chill RV. On the side note, I built a
van in twenty twenty. Smartest thing ever done. Oh I agree.
I agree. I lived in my van for thirteen months,
and that it was so much fun. The people you meet,
the bonfires every night. Um. I met a lot of
bike packers that were like they had traveled across I

(51:36):
want to traveled across Africa on his bike. One did
the Pan American Highway from Canada to the tip of
Argentina on his bike, or Patagonia on his bike. Oh,
the stories I would hear um were incredible. That there
were these like van meetups in the desert with like
seven hundred rigs of like box trucks and military vehicles

(51:57):
and ambulance trucks that had all been converted. So um.
So I think that you and your husband might enjoy
that one day down the road with your girls. We
love it. I mean I never thought that I was
like that. I mean I never thought that I was
like a koa chick. Um. I was always just like
I'd never done it. I never Wow, you didn't you
didn't camp growing up? No, I didn't, can't grown up? Okay.

(52:20):
So when we started, it was there was something very
romantic for me and my husband too, because we started
before we had the kids, and there was just something
that was so romantic about us just being in a
car together traveling and then just finding these little places
like who cares where we pull, We'll just find a
place to stay. And I don't know, it was it

(52:42):
was bonding for us. It was really a bonding experience. Yeah,
I am. I'm a big camper. So I when I
saw the RV on the road and y'all going up
to Vancouver as a fan, I was loving that entire
thing on it. I love Instagram. Social media has its pitfalls,
but I love that it I called the World's Photo
album because you get to keep in touch with everybody. Yeah,

(53:03):
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(53:45):
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen
to podcasts. So what's next for you? What's on the horizon? Yeah,
I mean Lioness will be next. It's my project that
my husband and I oddly enough came up with this
on our farm drunk off of the off of a

(54:08):
bottle of whiskey and a bonfire. And we came up
with this, this kind of idea for this show and
flushed it out a little bit and called Taylor Sheridan
was actually my acting coach in LA and myself and
obviously you know, Ian Bowen is still friends with him,
and I had no idea that Taylor was your acting coach.
Yeah a long time ago when he was riding Safario Wow. Okay, yeah,

(54:32):
and I modeled with Nicole a little bit, so I
kind of knew his world, but we weren't you know,
his wife Nicole, So I wasn't like friends with him,
but we knew each other. And then I remember I
called Ian first and I was like, Ian, so I
have this idea about this show. And I told him
about it. He was like, how many people have you told?

(54:52):
I'm like nobody. He's like, you need to call Taylor.
It's like I think I think he's really gonna like this.
I'm like, okay, can you give me a song number? Oh?
I know I know this story and I was so
incredibly producing is something that I would I've always wanted
to do, and so I was really inspired by your
story and your husband's story that you came up with

(55:14):
and to how what I guess, how has it been
to birth something together, especially with the person that you left.
It's incredible. I mean, this is this is lightning in
a bottle. This is a moment in time in which
if you've ever had a dream, no matter if it's
in acting or if it's in you know, you're doing
whatever you're doing, it is catching that dream and multiplying

(55:37):
at times a million. That is what this experience has been. Like.
I mean, I just got to wrap Nicole Kidman the
other night, like screaming to everybody that's to wrap the
Nicole Kidman, Like for me, never MILLI if you told
me when I was twenty years old that I'd be
doing this, I would have said, I'll bet you a
million dollars. I don't. I would have bet against myself

(55:58):
and well to tie to the story that you Taylor
and David came up with your husband, Yeah, I mean,
look we my husband puts it right. David's like, look
like you know, we're the We're the seed and Taylor's
the sunshine and the plant it's grow. I mean, he
he has created this world in which I had this

(56:19):
small idea, Like he took it and I was like
how are we going to do this? Like, this is
gonna be really expensive, Taylor. He's like, Oh, it'll be fine,
you know, But I was just thinking there's no way
we can make the show happen. But that's just a
testament to him and the trust in which the people

(56:43):
over at Paramount have with him because they know he's
proven right, he's proved himself. He's amazing, I know from
Ian the storyline, and I'm smiling because I love documentaries. Um,
there's a place you and your husband to check up
Mountain Film in May. Everyone. I can tell you ride.
It's an outdoor documentary film festival with mountaineers in different

(57:05):
sports and they have special impact documentaries, and there was
a documentary that touched upon this story about salons and particular.
I don't want to give too much away because I
you know, this is this is you know, y'all story.
But I'm smiling because it was such incredible IP And

(57:26):
I love real stories and real stories that aren't getting
its day in the sun, and this story gets its
day in the sun about the kind of information you
were able to collect and where you were able to
collect it from. And I just love the story. I
agree with you. And I think for David and I
it was so important that we're we're very patriotic family.

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I can't come from a family of marines. My husband
is currently in the Army um I. But more than that,
I wanted to care ate something in which I felt
like this group of women no one knew about, and
me going to Afghanistan myself and talking to a lot

(58:10):
of women that are over there, They're just I'm like,
you guys, need you need a moment, like you need
you need a round of applause, you need a need.
I want this show like it's really important that everybody
loves it, of course, but for me, it's super important
that the men and women of the military watch this

(58:31):
show and they're like, hell yeah, you know, like finally,
And I think if anybody can do that, Taylor can
do that, because since Cicario, who's not really written anything
quite like this, and I know Cicario, especially for me
my husband, was like one of the best movies. So
I'm just hoping that we are able, me and David

(58:55):
are able to give back in the way that we
know because I'm like, look, I can't do anything for
the military. I don't you know, but I but I
am in film and TV, and I'm like, what can
I do in my world to give back to these people,
and if I can entertain them a little bit and
make and like maybe up recruitment a little bit, you know,

(59:16):
like how with recruitment because once you see this as
a woman, you're going to be like, I'm going to join.
Like there's just there is something so amazing about these
female characters that he's written. I'm excited they are so
when I say badass, it's not even like that's not
even the word, like it's they're explosive. They're explosive and

(59:38):
he's written them. And I was just like, nobody can
do this with Taylor Sheridan, And thank god he said yes,
because I don't know what I would have done. Well.
I get tingles because I mean, this is truly a
track where I'm sure you can see this on a
macro scale in your life, but it was lightning in
a bottle. But it's also opportunity meets preparedness and you've
always put yourself out there and lived best foot forward

(01:00:01):
and I think that it's now life saying like yeah
you did you know? Yeah, And it's the hustle right,
like it's it's the hustle, like I've always hustled. And
that conversation that I had with my husband in our
backyard with the bonfire drunk, we had that conversation and
my husband was like, well, you know, I was complaining.
I was like, well, I really only get to play

(01:00:21):
the girl next door and I have something else in me.
And I was like, I really want to play a
woman in the military. I feel like, you know, with
my dad and with him, and I was like, I
want to pay homage to these women. And you know,
he's like, well, why don't you just write something? Like
I can't write anything, and he said, well, look, your

(01:00:42):
husband is in the army. Why don't you ask me
some questions. So all of that happened within probably like
there was God. We stayed up till the sun came
up of just talking about his experience and what he
had seen overseas, and one of the things he said
was he was like, you know, it's interesting because some
of the most impressive people overseas to me when when

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I was over there were women, and he was telling
me about their stories and I'm just like this needs
to get told, like I didn't know at what level
it needed, you know, but I was just like, something
needs to happen. And so the next morning, hungover, very hungover,
we proceeded to write this like really awful treatment but

(01:01:27):
kind of like starting that ball rolling. And then like
I was just like, I'm not giving up on this,
like this is and I think it was less about
my career then and it was more about my desire
to do what I felt called to do for the
people in the military who have given so much. And

(01:01:49):
I was like, you know what, I should be able
to give a little something back, and I felt called
to do it. I felt like this this energy within myself,
and I feel like when it comes from the heart
and comes from that space you it's like you it's
gonna happen, Like you can feel all that though, Like
I'm you know, while you're out in the nosebleed section

(01:02:09):
of the stands watching the story, you know, and I
can feel it. I'm just so proud of you, guys.
I don't really get excited about TV shows, but I
am so excited because I'm such a cheerleader from every
angle of how this was incepted for knowing you big
fan of the other actresses. But this story is so exciting. Yeah,

(01:02:30):
it gets really good into like Taylor, Like I said,
he took this little idea that I had and he
ran with it. And if anybody has ever watched any
Taylor Sheridan shows, they know that it is very complex.
It's very kind of It just weaves in and out
of this place and then oh my god, we're over here,

(01:02:51):
and then but it's it's like so nicely tied up
at the end, but but not you know, and I'm
not even in that much. But getting to be on
set and learn as an executive producer and learn from
the best I think that's invaluable to me. And getting
to share this experience with my husband is like magical.

(01:03:15):
It's so special to us. It's such a special project
for us. Well, I hope your husbands enjoyed the process
of TV making. He thinks we're all crazy. He's like,
you guys are crazy. He's like, where is the schedule?
Because he's military works at the Pentagon, so he's like,
where is the schedule? Like, like, how can you just
change things like this? I'm like, David, oh my god,

(01:03:36):
it like you would be an awful actor he cannot
roll with the punches when it comes to scheduling. He's like,
how can you guys just go the night before and
it all changes and like baby weather weather, he's getting
a crash course, that's for sure. Are your baby's able
to be out there with you? Are you going back?
And from no? No, it's such a it's such a

(01:04:00):
sad thing for me. Because David actually did make it out. He's,
like I said, working at the Pentagon right now, and
so he was able to make it out for a
week to see me. But I've really kind of been
on my own on this portunate. It was in Baltimore
the whole time. It was great because we were working
in Baltimore and he's in DC, so we were able

(01:04:21):
to see each other almost every day. But this has
been it's been bitter sweet because I want to share
it with him and to my girls, I like, I
can't even you will if you know, due time, he will.
I'm just so excited for you guys, And oh yeah,
I could ask you a whole other slew of questions,
which I might do alf camera at some point. I

(01:04:43):
truly am so excited. You're the one that had the
seed with David to tell this story and then you
connect it to the storyteller that could blow it out
of the water. Like it just I'm really genuinely, I
don't get excited about TV shows, but this topic is
so I'm so I'm not surprised the talent came calling

(01:05:04):
because the story is so fascinating. I mean Morgan Freeman
in which I was like, the voice of God is here,
like we have God on our show. And I'm really
not even that surprised by the talent because I again,
like I love IP, I love true stories, I love nonfiction,

(01:05:25):
I love historical fiction. So I'm just as a fan,
I'm already a pre fan of this topic. I'm very excited.
I'm so excited that you are the center of it
because raised by a marine, I had no idea who
was Canadian. I think on some level I did, but
the fact that I didn't put the two together that
he joined the US Army as a Canadian is wild
to me. So yea like he had he was a

(01:05:47):
he was a special Agent for the Air Force m
OSI officer. It's kind of like it's like kind of
like CSI a little bit, but he was um, yeah,
he had to renounce his Canadians and ship and all
of that, and it was just a yeah, so he
is fully fully American. Oh well, Jill, you're so sweet

(01:06:08):
to do this, dude, You're so so sweet. I love
you for thinking of me, and I will do I
will follow you anywhere. You just let me know and
I'll and I'll be there. So if you want to
come back for another episode, we'll do another Jill episode.
But uh, you know, Kate Argent, We're just really grateful
that you came on because Kate, Kate could not be
not discussed in this show. Yeah, Kate lives on. She's

(01:06:28):
in my Orka somewhere very can have it. Well, thank you, honey,
I appreciate it. I appreciate love. I love you, honey.
I'm congrats. I'm really proud that it all came together.
Thank you. I'm really excited to just see it all.
And I did my first Hallmark Christmas movie last year.
Oh god, I saw that and I was like, wait

(01:06:49):
a minute. I even texted Ian I go is that
Holland Yeah, it was so fun. It was so fun.
What I love about them is because I'm like, you're
in people's homes at Christmas. I know that it's like
this is the opposite of the one Jill that everybody knows,
but like there's a very soft side of me and

(01:07:11):
which I love that my daughters can watch those movies
and I love that they're sweet and I love that
they you know that. And I have to like tell
something on my husband, like he watches them, has been
at five am before and he will have the Hallmark
channel on, or he will have GAC or whatever it is,

(01:07:32):
and he will be looking at those movies and I'm like,
those aren't my movies, babe. He's like, well, I know,
I just had him on the background. I'm like, you're
watching My stepdad's a massive fan of of all all things.
All things. So there's real least something sweet about a man.

(01:07:54):
I don't know. I find it so sweet and I'm like,
I love that person's soul. Oh I'm literally going from
this to shoot a Christmas movie. Oh gonna be like okay,
readjust I was gonna say resetmentally, yeah, like yeah, it's
not Bobby, but it's funny because it's actually one that

(01:08:14):
I sold to GAC and it's and it's military base.
That's fine, that's fun yeah, so I'm like, maybe I
can keep my hair. I don't know, but I have
to may have to throw in a wig, but its
wiggs or you can keep it doesn't matter, you know.
It's like, yeah, not every you know girl has to
have long hair. So congratulations on the Teen Wolf movie.

(01:08:37):
I know it did incredible for Paramount Plus. Um, so
let's just keep doing wonderful things for that network. Well,
I look forward to line this man. I'm so excited.
Honey Bewell, I love talking to you. Thank you, sweetie
for coming on. You're so sweet. Kisses, love you, bye bye.
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