Life Altering Transformation (w/ Ian Bohen - S1, E3)

Ian joins Holland with the tale of the day he found out he got the role on TW, where he was working at the time and the moment he knew his life would never be the same. Find out what was waiting for him on day 1 of filming that had him fearing he was in over his head. 

Plus, Ian talks about a potential Teen Wolf spinoff show!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is how they're back now with me Holland Rowden
and I Hunt Radio podcast. Today we have Ian Bowen
and we are going over season one, episode three pack mentality.
And Ian has never heard my podcasting voice, and now
he has, and he's dying. I am so enamored with

(00:21):
what I'm hearing right now. I can see her, but
I don't believe it's really, really, really real. Isn't it weird? Yeah,
it's it's fantastic. Can you listen to podcasts? Yeah, of course.
I started listening more to news and politics and just
sort of current events, like this is what's happening. Then
I do actually watching daily or like absolutely, I love

(00:41):
the Daily. That's like first up, that's exactly what switched around.
Um Sean Hayes, I like him a lot. Um. Yes,
so I just podcast. So I've stopped watching TV as
much and I just I'm listening from you know, the
car to the gym too. Is it full circle? We've
gone radio show? No, it's back to the basics. Back
to the basics. Good. I like it's less stylized, a

(01:04):
lot more entertaining. Well, thank you for being here, You're
very sweet. We're in. We'll set the scene, we're in
Ian's apartment. His condo is beautiful condo. I have seen this.
Can we talk about your renovation? Yeah, you talk about
whatever you want. Uh So Ian had like the most
retro old school apartment and like room by room he renovated.
So I was here for all the rooms for you,

(01:25):
from the very very even the original kitchen. So it
was a dungeon and it was all I could afford
when I got this. And then my buddy and I
decided if we didn't start the renovations now, it was
never gonna happen. So we had a baseball and we
took turns throwing it through the wall, separating the kids.
I didn't know that, yeah, me and Christopher amatrono ye.
And then after which was a great laugh. And then

(01:47):
when we do that for about an hour and you
realized the mess that you've created with zero plan, then
the depression said in I slept in the closet of
my bedroom. I was. We were good friends. I would
come over every day and you're like, this is my life?
Why did I do to myself? And there was like
draw well everywhere? But I don't remember the baseball story. Yeah,
that was I actually have it on film to oh,
we have to watch this hard drive somewhere. Maybe we

(02:08):
can look look on your Instagram with this U when
this podcast post, because that will be the marketing tool
for four in this episode. No, no, I do have
it for sure. Yeah, you'll see you'll see all the pitches.
So so now we're in. Every room has been renovated.
It's beautiful. Thank you, and uh, it's it's been fun
to have ten plus years of friendship. At least we

(02:28):
were trying to count exactly from the beginning, because you
guys got together a whole year early before I came
in to do the season. When from when you did
the pilot, Yes, the pilot was shot in February, so
the casting took place in October two thousand and nine,
November two thousand and nine, and then we shot the
pilot in February two thousand and ten. We got picked
up in May of that year, and then October through December.

(02:52):
This was probably episode three. Was probably shot around what
like November something of two thousan ten. I think this
was still before I actually came on the scene. I
want to say that I were you December of two
thousand times I think so staying at the Wawnum you
can say that now because we're no longer staying there. Yeah, exactly,
I think it was. It could have been four, could

(03:13):
have been five, could have even been six. And I'll
just as a quick intro. I had no idea what
character I was playing because I had read for Daton
for the VET a couple of times and I thought
for sure I was going to get This is why
we have VSP. This is My next question was like,
what was your audition projects? I read, but they have
the scenes haven't been seen yet. I think they come

(03:33):
up in an episode four, really like really interesting scenes
between him and Lyndon. And so they said, now they
didn't you didn't get this job. But you want to
read for this other guy that you know. He comes
in and he's kind of going on a blind date
or something like that. They're being real kg or. I said, sure, whatever.
So I go in and I read the scene where
I pick up um styless mom are not style Scott's

(03:56):
mom at the house and I've got all the black
on and You're like, who is this guy? So I
read that and they're like, great, you you got a job.
And I show up, and I'm like, what am I doing?
And no one would talk to me. No one. It
was that KG was it? Because the scripts weren't written.
No that season they were written, I hadn't received anything.
They were definitely written for season one sent they would

(04:18):
get behind. And that's a thing that shows. It's not
just teen Wolf. A lot of shows get behind, sure,
but this one I think was all written. They were
just that secretive. Yeah, So when you joined a show,
you know midway through or you know midway through a
season or later than the beginning, you're just not really
funneled into the main stream of things until later. So
there was just really no need to tell me anything.

(04:40):
And also the secret of who the who the Alpha
ended up being, obviously was closely guarded. So I I
got to my first day of work and h I
walked in the makeup trailer and there was about ten
feet of prosthetics laid out on the makeup you know board,
in front of you, and I'm like, oh, those are cool.
What is that for? And they said those are for
you and I'm like what. And I proceeded to spend

(05:01):
four hours in makeup and I'm like, I have no
idea what's goinged? It was like, have you ever had
prosthetics like that before? No? Not even close. So what
year was this? This was two thousand and ten, two
thousand and ten. I'm no mathematician. Yes, I was thirty
two in two thousand and ten, and I'm not thirty five.
Oh my god, isn't that nutty? And so you were
twenty six? Is that right? No? I was twenty I

(05:23):
was twenty three, twenty three. I just turned maybe twenty
four by that, my god. And here's the funny thing.
And I won't I won't out anybody else's ages that
are not on this podcast right now, but I loved that.
Jeff and Justin Levy and Danny Zacchanino, the casting director, um,
the ages of the girls we were. We were both
significantly older than the boys than than the people that

(05:44):
were playing um, you know, with Poseyan and Dylan um,
which was really unique. But for that time it was
even now even as we saw you and I just
reviewed some of these episodes, but the look and the
fit and the feel is perfe It was perfect. So
it just goes to show you that, you know, when
you're casting a show, age is not near as important
as people make it out to be and stone and it's, uh,

(06:07):
it's just that chemistry, absolutely and so and they you know,
Jeff nailed it with with that four pack for sure,
no question, and really well every other couple that came
along in the matches that subsequently, and so, yeah, that
was your audition process. You were you were you thought
you were going to be a vet and caring for
animals right already thinking are the animal ian? It's on screen.

(06:28):
So then like about a week later at some point,
because we're going through this process of all you know,
every day and all I do is I sit in
a chair and I slightly moved my head and I'm like,
if somebody had to tell me what the fuck is
going on? And eventually somebody was like, you're the alpha,
and I'm like, what does that mean? Because I haven't
you know, I haven't seen I don't talking to the scripts.
At that point, they're like, you're the bad guy, and

(06:49):
I'm like, all right, how you played a lot of
bad guys to that point. Um, this was really the
beginning of an interesting dark villain arc for me. I
was kind of a little bit more clean cut and
a little bit so you never even read for any
bad guy. They just you read for Vet and then
all of a sudden you're on the team Wolf set. Yeah,
and so seen, Oh this guy's horrible, He'll be Peter Hale.

(07:10):
This is a certainly a Peter Hale person. So I
don't know if that's good or bad. But here where
we find ourselves and I love that it kind of
foreshadowed the fact that you play Peter Hale Derek, you know,
Paklin plays Derek Hale, and the friendship that you guys
have off screen. I think, I weirdly think the fact
that you guys were a family to begin with. Have
you ever thought about that? This sort of a synchronicity

(07:31):
of that's the word. Yeah, Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
He was the first person that I met on set.
I'd love telling the story and he always rolls his
eyes whenever I tell the story. I get dropped up,
like so many the secretive things that you get dropped
off from a white van in your first day of work.
And it was at a hybrid like school slash hospital
in Atlanta. Is the kidnapping correct? Yeah? And then you're

(07:52):
at the space camp and there's trucks everywhere, and if
there's just a few people milling about and there's no
one to greet me, and so I literally am just
walking around between cars and trucks and van and I'm like,
what's going on here? So I see this person We're
walking together as the break and the these big trucks
happen in the in between break. As we're walking along,
I can see him and like then we run up
to the next break, and I can tell that he
sees that I'm looking at him, and he's like, fucking please,

(08:13):
don't talk to me. So, yeah, of course he's got
just just like this. I don't. I just can't not today,
Just don't. I'm not interested. So I finally raced around
to the front and kind of had him off on them.
But Hi, I'm Ian, and he's like Tyler. He was
full on Derek. He completely was, And so of course
we'd come to be related, and then just started this
dance of the way we related to each other on

(08:38):
screen between these these two people, and then started building
a friendship. And then of course here we are twelve
years later and we basically you're best friends. Yeah, exactly,
And then we just rebooted the friend the exact relationship
dynamic in a different show that we just it's called
Superman and Lois and so it would literally come full
circle and we just laugh and laugh and laugh. But

(09:00):
that was the genesis of of me understanding how Peter
fit into the world, is figuring out who Derek was
and how I played off of him to make it
in a prosthetic show, and then tracking him down between bands,
yeah and prosthetics trailer, yeah exactly, And then you know,
things started to literally peel away, layers peeled away, and
the next thing you know, you know, as the seasons progress,

(09:21):
you have these these people with histories and lives and
these men they're together and you have a place to go.
And so we built you know, the relationship of the
show for ourselves, and we built a friendship and you know, man,
I'll be standing next him at his wedding. Oh I
love the story. It's it's a did you have any idea?
I have to ask everyone this, but you know, we

(09:44):
all go back in our lives and go, that's the
day my life changed, or that's the day my life
like really pivoted. And did you feel that energy and
if so, when along the process did you feel that yes,
I you know, I've been working for almost thirty years
and there's ups and downs and ups and downs. And
when I got this job whatever it was twelve years ago,
I was working at a bar in Hollywood. I knew you, remember.

(10:06):
I remember you were like, I can't believe I'm here,
and like you hit it from all of us until
you told us are good friends and you're like, I
want to be an actor. I'm like you are an actor.
Like the amount of support we had for each other
was so real. It's necessary because you go through phases,
and as you know, it's really hard for an actor
once you start to get twenty six, twenty seven, late

(10:26):
twenties really really rough. As you're outgoing out of like
the kind of the young boyishness into manhood. There's a
gap there of about six or seven years that women
hit mid thirties. Okay, there you go. So you know
when this this thing is if you go from like
really excited and happy at two, I'm running out of
money and then it just spirals down. The next thing,
you know, you're like, well, if I want to live

(10:46):
and keep doing this job, yeah, I gotta get a
job at a p So I did that I get.
I booked this job, and I tell everybody, of course
everyone you know as an actor, aspiring whatnot. And I
so I booked this thing called teen Wolf, and if
everyone made fun of me, tore like, dude, the Micheliney
Fox team, like that sounds ridiculous, and I'm like, well,
that's what I'm doing. And so I kind of kept

(11:07):
it a secret because it would be on TV and
I would be doing shifts no way, yeah, and it
was there that much of an overlap yeah, big sports
bar yeah, um. And so it would be on sometimes
and I'd be like freaking making drinks. People would look
up at me and look at the TV and look
at me, and I'd be like, fuck, yeah, that's how
it goes. I think it's I think it's good to

(11:29):
like that's where podcasting is a great place to like
rip the band aid and say like, this is a
profession and there's not a lot of magic pills that
go on behind the scenes of you know, actors or
people and it is what it is. They're not there,
you know, it's point zero one percent that make a
ton of money. Otherwise, it's a pretty regular job with
really cool perks. Absolutely there's ebbs and flows, and I

(11:51):
think that the more we talk about that as actors,
I think that's important. Yeah. So, to just to answer
your question, it wasn't until the beginning of the second
season where I started to think I might be able
to not do the Barton anymore, I might be able
to survive and that. And I remember that day specifically
when I went in to talk to a guy named
Rick Ute who saved my life literally and I said, Rick,

(12:12):
I'm done, and he just grinned and shook my hand
as a congratulation. And so, did you feel like teen
Wolfe was a hit by that point? By the beginning
of season two, You're like, there's something I felt, something,
Yes that I that I've because I wouldn't walk away
from you know, that kind of a steady thing without yeah,
thinking you got something happened. There's a way, yeah, exactly.
And then uh, and so I'm still writing, you know

(12:34):
a dozen years later. That energy into every new job
that I that I take, And you've been a part
of fostering a lot of beautiful careers which I will
remain nameless. But he's had a lot of friends around
town that he's supported. So I remember being your cheerleader
for first stepping into just being an actor again because
it was important. Yeah, it's quite a ride. So today

(13:06):
we are going to jump into pac mentality, episode three
of season one. I asked Ian to be on the
show because a lot of our friends come from a
lot of different seasons on the show. But he said,
I'm in a coma, and I said, well, it'll be fine.
It'll be fine. So we actually watched the episode together
and it's so fitting that you're on this episode because

(13:28):
you're literally the climax of the last shot of the episode.
So I love that you're not even physically in this episode,
but you are. Yeah, exactly. I watch it back like
we did today, I realize how important the one, how
great the writing is to piecemeal the information out along
episodes and to establish this new unknown character after all

(13:50):
the feints and you your shirts, Derek and your shirt's
this guy in your shirts? It was Scott that did
it himself. And then at the end we see the
red eyes and Derek says he wants you. There's something
else out there. That's that's the beginning really of not
even Peter Hill, but the Alpha. And then it's later
that we connect Peter Toom, which is pretty genius at
the end. So yeah, it is. It's an important episode

(14:10):
for this character, albeit I'm not technically on screen. I
love it. I think it's deep products the way I
was supposed to. So I like that this episode is
named pac Mentality for several reasons. One, I feel like
episode three year finally starting to get into the groove
of the teen Wolf vibe, of the pattern that of
the jokes, of the music, of the pacing of the scenes,

(14:34):
and pac mentality I think relates obviously to Scott starting
to realize what a werewolf and tails like I have
to kill people and how did I become a werewolf?
To begin with? It starts addressing that question, you know,
where he thinks he finally confronts Derek, and Derek's like, yo,
it wasn't me. But we'll get to that point. But

(14:54):
there's also the pac mentality of the school culture and
the fact that they go on this double eight for
the first time where Scott feels accepted by the other
students outside of Styles. So I think there's a shocking
a lot of layered analogies going on in the teen
Wolf world, which is um met Jeff so good at Yeah,
this is a really I think instrumental point in the

(15:15):
whole idea of what the show is about. Um, different cliques,
different groups. We've got, first of all, we've got humans
and sort of supernaturals. We've got hunters and wolves. We've
got the cool kids, and we've got the outcasts. We've
got the geeks and the nerds, and and really it's
it's the beginning of, from as I understand it, of

(15:36):
a class system of the ins and the outs. You're
either cool, you're not, you're accepted, yeah, and so. And
then what we established, what Jeff did so so so
so well, is to once you have those two groups,
you can start to realize that you can be an
outcast and still be cool, you can be accepted, you
can you don't have to be mainstream. But you do
have your packs, and you just understand what your family

(15:56):
unit is. And in this episode we see that there's
a bunch of different packs within the show. Exactly. Yeah,
I do feel like this is the first time you're
seeing Scott and Styles not in their bubble and you're
starting to answer just beginnings of those questions of why
you know, if it was Derek. He wants revenge from

(16:17):
finding his sister in pieces from it and shifting packs too,
like you know, maybe integrating into a different like like
you said, you have Scott entering you know styles Lydia
and Jackson. He's like, I'm out of place here. But
by the end of it, they're going to be together.
So it's constantly changing. Yeah, I uh so the dream
sequence opens up and I informed Ian of this opening act.

(16:40):
I was like, we don't have time to watch that part,
so I'm gonna tell you that part. And God, what
I loved about how Jeff would write the script in
the writer's room is the vehicles on this show will
have their own characters, and we always think about the jeep,
but we don't think about the bus. And a lot
of scenes went down to the bus throughout the seasons

(17:00):
and even you got everything from like you know, Hotel California,
Motel California. Yeah, all the field trips would take like
there was a lot of you know, mingling on the bus.
But this is the bus's debut. It was Peter Hale's
pretend debut, but it's the bus is real debut, right,
and um it is you know with this amazing dream
sequence where I feel like, you know, Crystal and Tyler

(17:22):
had such great chemistry. You really see that captured in
this scene, and you obviously realized it's a dream. He
kills her in the dream and he wakes up thinking
Alison is dead. I'm telling you all this for the
first time. No, I remember it. Ian's got an incredible memory. Um.
Half the time, I'm like, what did you say. I
was like, I thought you're in a coma. You're like,

(17:42):
it's a pretend coma. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right.
I was like, are you sure you killed mister Meyers
the bus driver. You're like, yes, I'm positive, yes, as
you as you as you rewatch him, you realized that
the Peter was coming out at night. Well, he wasn't
full strength. He had to stay in a coma to
heal himself, because Scott, you were in a comba. Wasn't
It wasn't just hiding, and it wasn't even pretending like

(18:03):
he literally needed to get back to full strength, so
he couldn't be, you know, full speed. But at night
he could go out and get like your average bus
driver and then we figure out what happy meal. Yeah, exactly,
what he needed for why each person was a target
later and so he was the guy they did. And
there's a little telltale signs like the alphahn that you
see in the dream sequence really quick and like oh
I didn't care, Yeah, totally giveaway in retrospect. So so

(18:27):
dream sequence. Yet they think Alison's dead. Boom, she's not dead.
She's back alive, thank god, thank god. Oh what a
quick series. That was serious and we were we were
trying to be Game of Thrones. Before a Game of
Thrones knew how did to be Game of It would
have just been dead at at it um. So you see, like,

(18:49):
you know, the banter of Scott and Styles going down
the hallway and uh, you know, still thinking, oh God
is also dead. Seeing the class they then cut to
the classroom. Jason's in the classroom. You get a little
punch of attitude from Jackson teachers like you guys need
to separate Scott and Style as you talk too much.
Ambulance outside everyone rushes to the window, and that's where

(19:11):
we realize it's mister Myers, or Scott realizes I know
that guy. It's mister Myers. It was the bus driver, right,
So he's at least revealed a relief that he didn't well, no,
he thinks he did it. He's like, I did that, right,
but it wasn't Allison. No, it wasn't Alice. Right. But
then it's just that a new mystery is or still remains,
is did I do that? Did I even do this?
There's something weird happening to me, and I'm easily I

(19:32):
could have done it. Yep. And I'll go back to
that storyline because our next scene is the lunch room scene,
and I felt like this was such an establishing scene
for the pattern of the foursome. That is, you know,
Scott Jackson. I always want to say our real names,
Alison and lydia Um. They were like pretty, I would say,

(19:54):
I don't aggressive jokes like you know, kiaho Danny's you
can always care do anything? You know, I don't look
at you know, your his girlfriend's coin slot. I have
not heard that before or since ever used colloquially or
in the vernacular. That is a that is a gay
man writing a straight man's judge. Right. I don't know.

(20:15):
It was hilarious though I loved it, which then begs
a question of well, never mind, But yeah, there there's
that one that was for the time of humor um
on this show on an off screen. So things that
might be slightly inappropriate to the movements that have thus happened,
please take the solid stride. Everyone is absolutely proquil on

(20:36):
the set. They were all good friends. It was all
said in a good Listen. You read the words that
are scripted for you and you make them work. Yes,
And you don't judge your character. Correct. You do not
judge your character like actor if they want, but you
do not judge your own character. Yeah. And it was
funny looking back at that lunchroom scene because that's the
first time I had seen myself in that episode when

(20:57):
I first appear it, and the acting style was so
different from season one to season four, for instance, we
all really settled in and it was it stayed in
m you know, I always use my Tracy Flick reference.
So it was funny watching the bounce and the pacing
of all playing off each other and really playing our
characters almost like hyperbole of who they really were. Sure.

(21:21):
But and if you look at the you know, the
first couple of episodes or season of every show, it's
exactly the same way. It's just like a hodgepodge, and
then it can jeels, and then it gets solid and
it gets locked in together, and then it's like six
people on one surfboard. So it's you know, the pilot
of Friends looks really weird. Yeah, and then it you
just kind of glide into it. But I don't think
it's as stilted or jilting, as jolting as you think

(21:44):
it is. It's always more exaggerated your own head in
your head, because yeah, because I'm not in that scene.
So I'm watching it and I'm like, this is just
like I remember it, and right, like you can watch
you don't see yourself get older in the mirror every day,
so it just seems like the same flow. Yeah, there's
definitely this was shot eleven and a half years ago,
you know, and I were like, oh my god, they
look like a different parts there. Seriously, I think Hacklin

(22:06):
looks the same personally. You think Hacklin looks different. I
see him on a nearly daily basis, either in person
or on the FaceTime. Right, I know, he looks like
he looks like he's seventeen. He looks the same to me. Yeah,
he looks the same to you as he does now. Yes,
not even clothes. I think he looked exactly the same. See,
that's what I'm saying. And what did I say to you?

(22:28):
I said, you look exactly it's the same to me
right now as you do on screen. Absolutely don't. My
face was so much more baby fat back then, which
is quite quite funny to me. Well, and the curls
were out of control. I'm very glad that we were
toned down the curl But the perception is like it's
going to be skewed for everybody, so funny to me.
We both agreed. I think Jr. With all the love,
he's so like he was handsome back then, but he

(22:51):
looks like did he look like a boy? He looks
like a boy, and now he looks like a rugged man.
But for me, I don't think it looks older. It
just looks more different. Yeah. But at the time I
was like, Yeo, that looks like a father of a girl.
That's you know, sixteen, sixteen, seventeen. But now that I
look at it, I'm like, that dude looks like he's
twenty four. He's a child. He looks like a baby. Yes,
it's so funny. Just goes to show you can't trust

(23:13):
actors and perceptions off and we can barely walk and
check go at the same time. Truly. Yeah, so the
lunchroom scene was fun because I think just that music
for me really hit such a stride in this episode
because it had such a fun soundtrack at the same time,
I had really cool music involved. At the same time,
it had like very genred sound beats as well, and

(23:37):
they all they all mold pretty well together. It's important
to note that that we didn't have a huge budget
to be putting on like the hits of the day
on the TV shows like they do now, because we
just simply couldn't afford it. But we had to find
music that sounded like that that that added to it.
It's a huge part of the success of the show
that they were able to do that with very little budget.
Well and ironically, yes, we're on a music video at work,

(24:00):
but that like, yeah, we don't care. If you can't
pay for it, you ain't playing it. This is where
I rip all the band aids of dreams off. People
musty I'm like wrong, wrong again. Yeah, I think it's important.
I mean we've you know, do these like team of
press events occasionally and where we get to meet all
you guys. And I do think it's important to put

(24:22):
it on a real level. I know you agree, it's
it's you know, I believe. I mean, look, this show
gave me every opportunity to be an actor full time,
so I mean, I absolutely love the show, and um,
I mean, I'm totally grateful for teen Wolf, as we
all are. But I don't think we're bursting anybody's bubbles

(24:44):
by just giving them a little bit of the inside dirt.
And if behind the scenes of a feature film or
anything on the screen that is so perfect on that
one dimension, if you like literally were to walk around
the TV and look at the back of it, it
would be stuck together with duct tape and glue and
hairspray and and there's eight people that made that look
perfect for that two minute scene exactly that, and it
would be like the sweating, struggled mass trying to hold

(25:06):
it together. And then if you walk back around on
the front of the TV, you're like, God, that looks
so perfect. That's every single frame of everything that's filmed
yea forever. It's not like ours was special. And I
don't think everything is quite unique. Maybe for the except
the very minute movies that get two years preproduction, most
shows and most movies are not near as organized or

(25:30):
as prepared as one would think. You know, people get
material two days before they film us or the same
morning they they film that scene. Absolutely, and and that's
unfortunately the majority of stuff versus the minority stuff. And
you have to adapt, like and you do. You could
be ready to shoot a scene, you rehearsed it all day,
and then they oh, the crane that we're using for
the shot, it's not working. We're going to shoot a

(25:51):
different scene right now. Oh shit, well okay, oh they'll
pull people in. That happened. We're shooting the Team Wolf
movie right now, and that happened three days ago. You know,
Shelley's a pillau and she's like, what I gotta go? Yeah, No,
it's it's typical. You just exactly how it goes. Yeah,
that's why if you're on hold on a schedule, you're
very scared to go out of town. No, you have
to get the first approval. Yes you do, Oh, yes

(26:12):
you do. You make For all you aspiring actors out there,
there's two people on set that you need to know
very very well. A d needs to be on your
favorites number one. The first is the first ad gotta
be your best friend. In the second is the travel coordinator.
That's true. Keep that in mind. That's true. I didn't
check with the travel coordinator and got put at the
wrong hotel and I already but I already told Ian.
I was like, I already forgot. I know what it

(26:33):
starts with. Though. Um oh oh, actors, we're like children
in a lot of ways. Yeah, exactly. Um so yeah,
so that's the lone room scene. We planned this double date.
We're gonna go bowling. Um. I love there's so many
iconic lines from this episode. He's like, I'm a great bowler. Um.
That's when I love that the fans talk about a
lot that happened during this episode. Um, you know. I

(26:55):
love that Styles is like not included any of this
and they're all talking around him, like about their double date. Yeah,
and he just all of his dialogue is nonverbal, but
it's it's just brilliant. He really hits his stride too. Yeah.
Episode there was like a sweet spot I feel like
of when Team Wolf really Fountain Wolf, because those first
couple episodes are you're massaging into it. Yeah, and you're
establishing some things and getting some facts going, but we

(27:17):
really let the characters out and we go, Okay, I
know who these people are, and then we can give
them a stage to play on. So you're absolutely right.
This is when we started running. Yeah, we started started
running totally. And then the next scene was Hecklin through
the glass hole. Oh that is Twilight, and we thought
Twilight was dead. Yeah, and we were warned, is genre
really going to stick around? Cough cough, Riverdale fourteen years

(27:40):
later is doing great? So we thought, I remember Holton
and in particular, we're like, I don't know if this
is like between the pilot and airing, it was a
year and a half, and so we were like, is
it gonna be popular long enough? Can we etch it
out in time where people are gonna care? Is it
gonna be relevant? And you know, cut to like now
watching this ten years back, being like it was totally

(28:02):
still relevant. It felt so separated at the time, but
if you look back between Twilight to Teen Wolf to
Vampire Diaries, it all feels like the same moment. Yes,
it was perfect timing, perfect timing, and Hecklin was our
Twilight boy man, he like went far. I think for
the Twilight movies is what he used to say back then.
I just remembered that, although I'd forgotten about that, And

(28:25):
then this was the reward. It was one hundred episodes
of this show. Yes, so you know, I'd say he
came out the winner, and that he did. He was
such a gem. He had the perfect look for Derek
Hale and fun also go doing back to age. He
was all of our same age and was playing older
than us outside of high school exactly, and we all

(28:45):
laughed about that. We thought it was he was actually
younger than myself and so the fact that he played
out of high school and could grow a beard and
by quite a lot. Yeah, yes, yes he and watching
this episode, if you guys check it out. When you
first see him through the window, it it looks like
they photoshopped his skin. It is so like literally, I
was like technology back then. I'm like, no, that's just

(29:08):
what he looked like. I'm like, what an I forget?
You know that we were set up on I tell
this story too much because it just somehow works his
way back around. We were set on a blind date.
I did not remember that. Yes, we were said about
blind date from our best friend's dating for multiple years
when before, oh way before teen Wolf and uh, and
then I set him up on on our date. I

(29:31):
was like, I got a call like this hang't gonna work.
But we both knew it was not gonna work. Knowing
you guys as much as I do, you would be
the worst coup couple. And it was so funny though,
because I look back at like the glass whole scene
and you're like, oh, yeah, he is pretty, but you don't,
you know, think of Hecklin like that. I always forget
Hecklin's pretty. Oh I still do. He's a gorgeous man.
He's a gorgeous man, but I forget. I just think

(29:53):
of a Hecklin. Yeah, it's like your bro. Yeah, every
I will say my bro, it's like my brother. Exactly.
Every buddy on the show is pretty beautiful. I mean
like it's just every person. And you, you you know, you
are my favorite. I've been telling you this for ten years.
You are so stupidly beautiful with those ridiculous curls. Yep,

(30:14):
hilarious show stopper. And wouldn't you say the same thing
every time? You're hilarious hilarious because can't you just say
ten years ten years have been listening to this yep.
Um So that we would put a lot of our
stuff on tape together for auditions in between days on work,
and I would drive me a nuts. We've done a
hundred between now and then. At least I finally found
someone else to tape with me, because it would have

(30:35):
we would not be friend. I was gonna kill. You
had to go out, you lost your battery pack at
midnight and we had to work the next scene like
I'm remember us to having eleven, I'm got to be killing.
It's the one I am. I wanted a growny. I
would always reward him. I was like, I'll do anything.
Um we have some trivial questions that you'll get all
of them spot on two point five seconds about all

(30:58):
of our Atlanta shenanigans. But um so we see heckled
through the glass a hole and his ridiculously staged home
that is this dilapidated Adams family house that we did
not realize was just so funny to me until watching
it Back's House. The idea at the time was, oh, yeah,

(31:19):
of course he lives in this, like you know that
that's yes, we wanted and then we all thought it
was brilliant. We're like, oh, what a beautiful set. And
it was a beautiful set, right, but you're like, why
the why the f would he live there with a
brand new car exactly, which I think he actually said
on the day. I remember back in this episode, he's like,
why is my car spotless? But my house is not?

(31:41):
And I doesn't even have a roof, so it was
burned out. We talked about that. We referenced that in
season three when Styles is like where do you live?
And I and I say in an underground network of
caves deep in the woods, and he's like really, and
I'm like, no, you well, I have an apartment down too,
because we kind of we finally caught on that this
the Hales are wealthy family and they have money, and
so he got over the Adams family set. It was

(32:04):
so Watch having said that will probably go back to it.
Oh right, I wonder, I wonder if I'll go back
to Derek's. It didn't get any upgrades. Every other every
other house gets upgrades, but Derek's ten years later, it'll
be worse. Oh uh yeah, that Watch having a Rewatch
podcast is uh, it's a purchase seeing something like you know,
like a set piece like that that just makes a smile. Um. Uh.

(32:27):
So then we get to Scott trying to uh grasp
that he is probably gonna have to kill people. Big
big plot line. Yeah, big moment, big moment. And another
great line is can I be Batman some of the
time that Dylan says, yeah, when when Derek sends him
back to go like try to feel your way through
the bus, and then they're jumping over fences and so

(32:48):
always not just comic relief, but like real character, how
do I fit into this pat because I'm not a wolf?
And you know, you would see him always coming up
with these one liners that are just so genuine Jeff
at the time, Oh my god, Jeff, and um, you
know even when he was in the hallway when he
was like, Scott, am I not attractive to gay guys?
Like he's just didn't answer my questions. Yeah, it's so good.

(33:11):
Uh you know, I think it's obviously all of his,
like you said, non verbal acting. But then it's these
lines that were zingers that just made styles so redisikable.
It's truly greatest hits. Um. And then another big plot
point for for teen wolfiz locations and and the fact
that if you can go back to that place, you
can feel the memories that have happened there. Um. I

(33:33):
thought that was important for the show and a big
moment that's happening in season or I keep saying season three,
episode three, Um again back at the bus, so establishing
the bus as a character. Um and so at that
point um oh, I will say some of the action
sequences in the bus, like that's a tiny spot to
space to shoot in, and the beginning sequence of him

(33:55):
taking out the seat and like throwing it down the
aisle and the way it like clung down. Like I
remember going to some superhero movies like Avengers and some
of the ways that they would throw things towards the
camera or have a certain fight scene. I would have
like this double take of like wait, team will do
that on that small budget? Exactly? Yes, so crazy that

(34:16):
that you know, it's it's same tricks, more sparkle. Yeah,
but that is a specific take that I remember watching,
the way that the seat clangs from. Yeah, that's very
that's a very like important memory that I have of
this one. It's a it's a very good effect, very
good effect, and the fighting was incredible in this episode. Um,

(34:36):
I believe it's a it's a shout out to Jonathan
Hall who was the DP as well. Um. So the
next thing is, uh, Scott and Styles. Uh he realizes
Scott realizes in the bus that he was not in
fact the one that killed this person in the bus
and mister Myers, and uh, he's now happy that, Hey,
maybe I don't have to kill people as awarewolf. So

(34:56):
I'm not going to kill Allison and Styles of course,
you know, but hurt. But didn't he think romance? Didn't
he think then that it was Derek And that's most
of the new conclusion adapt because he doesn't know any
other werewolves, right, and then so he's like, I'm so excited.
I didn't you know Ellison's not dead? And Styles is like, yeah,
but also you're not gonna kill me most likely, But

(35:17):
I'm bumpact. The John Hughesy in effect that this show
was able to capture I thought was really special. Well
Jeff and I I think I actually might be even
a month older than him. But where this that was
our you know, we grew up with that. I did
not realize you were the same age. Ye, I think
I'm what I feel. Yeah, so much more immature? Are

(35:38):
you way way more mature? Are you kidding me? I'm
I'm I'm at play here, I believe me. All the
world is the stage. But the point is that, Yeah,
we grew up with those same watching you know, John
Hughes a breakfast called pretty Pinkole, all that heathers. You
know that was our like you watched him over and
over again. So it's no no reason why that that's
laced in everything. Yeah, I love that we had that
ode to such a romantic and simple time, especially throughout

(36:02):
season one. It's charming, so charming, you're that's a perfect word.
You don't have to overstyle as that was just there.
The next one a good old argent. This is another
good famous loop down that's like a little hussy head

(36:30):
in hand on the elbow, will be like and he
doesn't even like I think he was directed not to
clock it. He was directed not to clock it because
I I had forgotten that beat, and I was like,
Jesus Christ, they let you do that. And Allison didn't
notice it either. That scene is fresh. There's a lot
of movie magic that happens where um, you know, even

(36:51):
in We'll talk about the bowling scene in a second,
because the bowling thing is a whole thing for us
on screen and off screen. But they're h Lydia pulls
some fast ones that everyone just sort of turns a
blind eye. Yeah, she is so sharp and quick. She's
the quick, quickest in the group, and then has to
go three moves ahead to not appear, so when someone

(37:11):
does catch a glimpse of it, she then reverses three
grips down to like three before you know. It's interesting though,
with the closet scene and watching my acting back, and
I'm not confident in a lot of areas in my life.
As Ian will constantly remind me of just your beauty,
just take a compliment. The one thing I was rather

(37:34):
confident of was the acting. And I go back now
I'm like, like, even in the closet when she's like
path Path, I didn't even look at the clothes. I
just set the line right. Well, but you know how
and if those moments you're like, why didn't I take
a bee look at the outfit? Make it funny or
make to texturize it when you don't have your character
and the world laid out and you don't know where
you are in it. You over I also think stylize.

(37:56):
I feel for early twenties people like, I don't feel
like I've aged that much. But then you look back
in mid thirties to early twenties and you approach something differently,
like you think about more things. And I think also
the nerves that I had shooting those scenes at that time.
I was so nervous. I walk on a set now
and don't I don't give it right, Like, you don't

(38:17):
care people watching you, You You don't care if you're not
you don't care about any of it. I was so
nervous that I would get fired at any point for
something for like three seasons. Would you do anything different?
How do you think? You look at the damn clothes
and say, passed normally. Um, But you know it's funny
if you if you went and redid the whole show

(38:38):
now ten years from now, you would look at your
second performance and you go, oh my god, I've learned
so much and I would have didn't that, you know.
So that's an endless cycle. Yeah, So you can't be
anywhere but where you are, and it's it's really fun
to go back and watch it this you know this,
uh far back again and see the progress. You just
gotta fall in love with your parking spots. My friend

(38:58):
has he fall in love it? Who says this? Oh, oh,
Hassie I know has buddies. Yea from Texas. I I
went to school with her cousin for fifteen years. Yeah,
she's fantastic. She's on the Tacoma. This great, this really
funny show. Anyway, we got our own show to talk about.
The next scene is uh, yes, we're sneaking out of

(39:19):
the house and we were at the bowling scene. Now
the bowling scene, I can't take the turn. The turn
was of of uh Colton and myself. Colton mentioned the
other day when we were shooting our scenes on the
team of movie and he's like, you know the turn.
I was like, oh my god, I remember the turn.
And it's these like little moments you'll do on a
scene that you just have no IDEA synchronized head. The

(39:40):
synchronized head was not planned. If anyone's wondering, I'm sure
they're not, but if they were there, it was not
a great shots as a great shot and as over
the top as our characters were and they were played
very over the top. There is something to be said
like it worked at times I think where it was
quite funny. Um yeah, a lot of is reminiscent to

(40:02):
me of um a karate kid. Uh, we don't never
seen it. Well, was so Ralph macho. It gets accosted
about like the cool kids all the time, and Colton
played a lot of that the cool guy very similar
to me, which I'm sure Jeff's and Jeff definitely seen.
It's definitely not seen it, we can guarantee that. But
it's just written that way and it's played perfectly. Yeah,

(40:24):
And I loved I loved like Tyler you know, doesn't
get enough credit posey I think with like how he
even toddles up to like miss the bowling ball into
the gutter and he was a bad bowler and we'll
laugh at him or Jackson last laughs at him. That
his physical comedy was quite funny. Um as well. Yeah,
he filled it all in. He really did fill it

(40:44):
all in. I thought I thought that was that was
really fun And um uh Crystal, I have not spoken
enough about Crystal and how she the way she looks
at Tyler throughout this entire episode throughout the series. She's
so good, like painting six colors. She the look yes yes,

(41:05):
and like the grooves that she falls into. Yep, She's terrific.
She was really fun to watch back, just really natural.
She was in love with this guy and it was
a big fan Yeah, Crystal and Crystal you know she, Um,
she had so much thought into that character. I remember
us talking about it and and just it's I don't know,

(41:27):
I guess I'm the pause here is just like seeing
ten years back. It's just cool to see how much
heart she had. Yeah. For me, the pause is just
enjoying the performance, just watching her and just remembering the
nuances in the way she sticks up for him and
how smirks, the smile, the defensiveness, and and just she
parries everything and helps you know, the man or the

(41:50):
boy man that she's with and this team and this
pack right. Um, it just seamlessly and very I would say, gracefully.
And so I really enjoyed. I enjoyed watching her back
in this episode for sure. I was. It was definitely
an out of body experience. It was like I wasn't
on the show, and I'm just like an executive of
a studio, not foreshouting that at all, like I just
you know, what what do I want? Like? But watching

(42:12):
her as an actor, I would want to hire this
as an audience member, as an audience member as as
somebody in the business that would want to produce and
being like I like that girl, we want that girl
from our project. You can't see that when you're watching
yourself in something contemporary. I can't and things that I'm
doing now, No, I don't can't see it as an
audience member until you're so far removed that you can
watch it from a different perspective. Yeah, for me, yeah,

(42:33):
I really saw her as like not Holland, but someone
that wasn't on the show's watching her back there these
last three stuff, but especially with this something about episode
three you really start to fly and Chris was no exception. Um,
and the thing about you naked, that's a famous line.
So many famous lines, like within the teen Wolf community
came from this episode. We guys talk about Argent, Derek,

(42:54):
I love this is like that when they come ahead
to head and I love like the shiny car the
batmobile analogy to Derek as well. It is quite fun.
Um And yeah, I don't know what are your thoughts?
What are your thoughts? You can have no thoughts on Well, no,
it's it's like it's a tat, you know, man to man.

(43:16):
It's like we're fighting, but we're not allowed to fight
in this scene. So we have to fight with the words,
and we're going to use the imagery and cleaning the car.
I protect things. I want to keep them clean. And
so now look it's crystal clean. You could see through it,
and it's like it's very on the nose. But it
worked because it wasn't overacted. Um, so the double down
paid off point and then um, of course Tyler just

(43:38):
asked for it. He's like, why don't you check the oil?
And I was like, oh, why did you say that?
Because that's that starts conflict. Yeah, I guess that just right. Yeah, exactly.
We needed a reason to hate Argent the good guy
a little bit, and then make the good perceived bad
guy seem like the good guy. So it was flipped
in that moment totally. This is why you're on the podcasts.

(44:00):
I bring a hand commentary and color commentary. She's still
real life Lydia. Yeah, I know that's so true. It
is so true, and he had been paid in a
really ugly light. Yet, Yeah, we don't have one dimensional characters,
and they often flip into different packs and they have
everyone really flipped. I mean, look at the clock at
Void styles down the road. Sure, so it's not fun

(44:21):
to just play you know, one note and so those Jeff,
it's brilliantly he knew that there was a time when
you had to then Okay, we have to do a
little a little shift to genre too. Man. Yeah. Um,
you know, I don't think genre gets enough credit for
how much you can play as actors. Um even just
on like you said, just character work, not even not
even creature work. Um. So yeah, So I I love

(44:44):
that scene just because I'd completely forgotten about that scene.
I'm sitting there thinking there's you know, faces that look familiar.
I was like, wait, is that it that that's part
of the pack. He's like, no, that's a hunter exactly.
You were like, those are Arminians. I'm like, no, bro,
those that's those are Hunters. And because I remember seeing
them on set, they were you know, I didn't get
to know them very well because I wasn't in the
same scenes, but he was that one particular actor was

(45:05):
there for for several episodes. So that's what's it's a
fun ass walked down memory lane. I can tell you
that is. I was like, I want to watch moneld Binge,
but like three or four of the heath and you know,
I I sign on to this podcast before we knew
there was going to be like officially a movie. Did
she really? I did, Yeah, this is just going to
be like a side game rate. So then like the
movie really worked out and came Yeah, it came together,

(45:27):
and it brought us all back to organically together. I mean,
and I do catch up in real life, not as
much as I would like to, but we do. And
then Colton and I too much. And and then some
people you know, move away and they have families in
different cities, and yeah, we don't. We don't get to
chat as much. So yeah, this has been a great opportunity.
Whenever I'm in town, I'd love to hang out. We

(45:48):
always did it. We always were absolutely. I hijacked his
house when I was living in the van and having
some van issues. I do remember that. Oh no, no,
there was a fire into Penga Thats and I came
into town and I was like, can I take your
car into a fire and get my van. But I
need a second car because I need to like you
need to drive me into it. My main road was closed,

(46:09):
and um, this is only like a that was in
the middle of pandemic, was it not? It was only
actually less than a year ago. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
it was like summer one. That was a fun that
was a fun field trip, the little rendezvous and it
was like, this is fun. And we had to do
like a different way around and the main canyon and
grab my van. It wasn't burnt down. I had to
pick my car. My van were next to each other,

(46:30):
and I had to pick which one I had to take.
And it's like, I'll take the van. It's more expensive.
And I parked the van outside of his house and
on the street, and we like totally went. I would
take him out to dinner every night to say thank you,
and we just like talk for three days, okay, like
oysters and like cocktails sotos. Yeah, no, oh, brilliant. Yeah,
this is a fun girl to hang out with. Everybody

(46:51):
likewise back at you. Yeah, we had a great time. Um,
and then and then there's been a couple times where
you're gonna be my roommate coming into town and stay
at my house. And then I worked out one time
you said one night yes, and then we made a
tape the next day. Oh yeah, I forgot about that
in the bedroom with the light came in. Yeah, you know,
I don't use my ring light anymore for auditions. Right,
this is an actress. This is actual conversation. Serious, right,

(47:13):
we've we've gone off topic though, Like, guys, get back
to the please. Um. So yeah, we we loved uh
you know again, pact mentality. It's it's it's the Hunters
versus the Warewolves and building all the all the different worlds.
That was teen Wolf. Um. I thought was done really
well in this episode. I think we're coming to the

(47:38):
end what we are we actually, you know, we get
to talking you and I and it's like time goes by.
So I don't given how long how long have we
been chatting? Fifty? Okay? Nikes? I wish I wish Peter
Hale cooked more. On a side note, you're not in
this episode yet, but I love when oaths literally like

(47:59):
Oni on fire and was a skin cooking No, because
that would be funny that happened Oh, you mean you
want to be fed? Yeah, well I think I think
it's funny when, like you know, Peter Hale was like
the charming kind of villain Bond. A side note, fun fact,
if there's any time to say this, it is now.
We bowled all the time in Atlanta, and I've never
talked about bowling really sens teen Wolf. So there's something

(48:21):
about eerie about teen Wolf and bowling that go hand
in hand. And they put the bowling scene in there
because we would constantly go bowling, and Jeff's like, yeah,
it was perfect. It was a perfect double date. And
we always fuld people do when they're young. Hell, I
still like to do it. I love bowling. People just
can kind of connect with it. You don't have to beat,
you can be awkward and have steal fun. And our
series finale party, of the whole entire show we had

(48:42):
bowling was a bowling part. I was on vocal rest
because I was, well, I wait, the serious finale of
the season finale, series finale. I think the season finale
probably was also also bowling, also bowling, also bowling. So
it's funny that bowling never made it on, Like you know,
I never made it did. It did the double date extent,
but never like a lacrosse level. Well you know ode
but the little the little easter egg was this this episode.

(49:05):
Um and uh, we're gonna get do you see you
have true questions? Oh I do for me or for
the audience? For you? Oh? Um and we have a
few fan questions, but they're more like behind the scenes
fun ones. Um and then I love us Jackson. We
hit it in a little earlier with Karate Kid. But um,
I love when when Jackson always refers to steroids or

(49:28):
something weirder, Um, where you're getting your juice? That was
not this episode, but the steroids are weirder was an
ode to juice. Um. Right, that's another conversation at the
lockers later on when when he just repeats that idea
of like you're onto something. It's a great moment where
we see the guy that we kind of don't like, Jackson,
who's just mean, kind of beings the smartest, he's the

(49:49):
most perceptive. He's knows something's going on and he's gonna
he's gonna ferret it out, whereas everybody else is just
going about their life. But it's it's a neat moment
for a character that's pinned as just a one note
sort of had the archetypes. I mean, yes, I liked
that teen Wolf, and everybody casting teen Wolf from the
network as well as the creative team, really went against
type casting. It was you had the archetypes, but they

(50:11):
weren't the conventional versions of them, and they were my mind,
far more charming all the way across the board, each
of these characters than they had to be likable. I
remember thinking, I can't be truly hated because I'll get fired.
Everything was about me not getting fired. Everything everything I
was like, I had applied to nursing schools, and I
was like, I only had X amount of years to

(50:32):
have the pre requisit still counts. So my goal was
to let my prerequisites run out of its five year
term and I could be an actor. You made this girl,
so she's became the star of the show. Well yes,
I mean because Allison died. Well, but that's the thing
is that at the very end, that's it was you.

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I'm a cockroach. The final drag around, you know, you know,
the sun the final Girl and Slasher movies is the
last one that doesn't go right. So it's based on
famous painting which one final the final and you know
it's by like a Dutch artist. I think, Um, I
actually saw it in k I can't. I don't recall
to be honest, but it's like she's kind of like
lying in a field of wheat looking at the house

(51:12):
where the machine and that's where all horror movies take
that inspiration from. It's here. Um, that's okay, I'll go
get a replica of this of this painting. Okay, we'll
use that and um your baseball drywall video to yeah
for show and tell all that together visual and then

(51:36):
you know again it's like just when Styles like falls
into um, well plotline Master Meyer's freak outs in the hospital,
he dies, Styles then you know is doing oh top
gun moment still in ski. Yes, he shows up a
detons Detons and and deton By the way, we need
to give him a shout out, uh of all the
mythology and not having wolves for sixty years and and

(51:58):
and how wolves would go for the wrote and not
where this I don't I never knew when Jeff was
making fake mythology or fake logic because I would be like, oh,
is that true? Yeah? Is that true and he no,
no one does. Yeah, no one. That's how no War
becomes mythology, is that enough people repeat it. So and
Jeff was so good at being like I was like, oh,
are there not wolves in California? Or like do they

(52:19):
really go for the throat or you know, Argent was
silver and Argents kill where wolves? And I was like,
wait is Argent was that? Why? Yeah, it's all tied together,
you know. And so Seth is another great character because he,
like me, got into this not knowing where who his
character was, where it was going to go to theater
actor isn't he he's from the wire Seth killing? Yeah,
so he had to like blindfolded going I don't know
who the vet is and who he's going to become. Um.

(52:41):
So he's such a fantastical actor too, he is. He
says everything with such conviction. Scot sparkly eyes too, so
you're like, what is going totally and he's hiding something
sometimes like I'm you know, I keep it pretty real
when I say cut. I'm like, I'm always very self deprecating.
I It's just kind of my personality. And Seth stays
in it. He's so he well you don't know if

(53:03):
the throat, you know, was there something blocking like like
he goes in obvious like this Christopher walk in like
like inner monologue. Yes, after scenes and I'm like, are
you still acting? What's happen? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you could
literally roll on that man and he's always in character.
Come out of the water. Yeah, yeah, you don't, like,
I think that's just set. He's like such a theater mentality. Um,

(53:27):
he's so fantastical and as there's a lot of conviction. Yeah,
he was such a fun such a fun beat to
like even off screen cast. Um. And then we've got
what's the next moment um you know styles again, like
the falling into the room was just establishing all those
like spastic styles moments um. And then we we we

(53:50):
rounded out with a heavy metal uh fight scene that
was done really well both and how and how Derek
morphs through the metal the p the pebbled glass, Yes,
was such a great way to do that. Call that
a wipe where you can have you can cut because
obviously he had to have the prosthetics on for when
he came out the other side and in between as

(54:10):
you have that cut and so they dissolved it perfectly,
but you could have just turned around or you know, yeah,
the way the glass, yes, very and it made it,
It made the wipe just it was just very elegant
for what we had to work with. And that's a
lot of you know, we've stitched things together in a
way that was like better than it should have been.
Are you ready for your debut? Who bits Scott? We

(54:38):
think it's Derek the whole time, the whole time, and
little do we know, mister Ian Bowen is in his fake,
weird pretend kind of real coma, uh, biting people at night. Yeah,
he's got to have the protege ready for when he
gets fully healed. So Derek reveals that there is this
other unknown person and then we you know, the camera

(55:00):
pulls backwards out of the house and we turned its
pivot and see the forest and we see these two
glowing red eyes and we're like, what what is that?
We just kind of felt like we're on some solid footing.
There's another another character out here that we don't know about.
So that is the alpha in its alpha stage, and
then it turns out to be connected to this sort
of decrepit looking burnt Rice Crispy, which is me later

(55:22):
on and such a champ. Side note, it was like
thirty degrees. That was rough, like like zero degrees negative
two degrees for you, for you Selsia's people and um
playing on the ground and laying on the ground wet
naked with like prosthetics would weirdly just make it colder,
so sticky, because when you have a burn, you have

(55:43):
to like put that wetness to put the gel on
it to make it look like fresh. That was miserable,
you were. He was miserable and he never complained and
I did. I don't think you read no, you were
such a champ, such a champ, and now to get
fired welcome And I did in the last episode, did
yeah K killed me? Do you know that I didn't

(56:05):
know about that. You know we're watching this podcast for
basically I have the last episode of season one, Derek
slashes my throat and he becomes you thought you had died? Well, yeah,
because I read it in the script and then and
I was back to me, Wow, the ride is over,
I lose my family, We're done. And everyone was that
kind of looked at me and they were like looking

(56:26):
like sorry, man, that's tough. Lug pell and it wasn't
until months later, like later that summer when Jeff asked
if I'd like to come back? Yeah, and like how
but yes, I didn't even it was that was the
life changing momentum that remember very specific. I was standing somewhere,
we were doing pick up shots, cleaning up some things,

(56:46):
and you just came and stood next to me and said,
how would you feel about coming back? He loves your acting,
because that's why. That's very sweet. That was a life
changing but that's something I'll remember. That was life life
saving as well. I got a couple of life changing
and life saving usually go hand and nah, yeah, a
lot of people have saved me along Louis Well. It
was a special show. And as much as we were

(57:08):
kind of joking type people, we're also a relatively private
I mean, none of us have like brand deals that
and professional instagrams like we're all you know, kind of
just chilling. Yeah, we're just sort of kids on the block.
We are kind of kids on the block. Um, as
much as I would like to be a branding empire,
we know we're not well and uh it's I think
that's a testament to we're all, like you said, kids

(57:32):
in the block. We're all kind of relatively grounded as
as crazy as we are. Um, that's why we all
work together. I think that is why we all work together.
Great casting, great great knit and knit together. We've crocheted
and I will remain so and that's what we still
hang out. Yeah, why the way, we haven't said enough
about JR. Born. He is just He was on set

(57:53):
the other day and Rachel's just looking at the modern
He goes, sorry, sorry, they talk about a sparkle that
man's eyes. It's ridiculous, It's ridiculous. JR. Time. Oh he's good.
I saw him this week and we were we were
both the minds together. So uh yeah, you get a
lot of them. I only seem not. I haven't seen sparingly,

(58:14):
but we FaceTime quite a bit. Oh that please him. Yeah,
he's a special one. My god, if you have you ever,
anyone that spent to a convention knows, uh Jr's he's
he's quite special. He ebbs and flows through like a
good time in Yogi mentality pretty seamlessly. Um, I don't
know anyone that can can ebb and flow like that. No,
never in a bad mood, Never in a bad mood

(58:36):
get very passionate, but he's never in a bad mood, true, right, yes, no, no,
absolutely absolutely not. It gets very very opinionating and very passionate,
but he comes from a lot of love. Um, So
quick fire questions these are kind of ones that are
more just educating the audience. How many days is to

(58:58):
take the film? An episode eight? It's supposed to, but
go up to and in our case, we block shot,
and when that means you filmed like two episodes at
a time, But what it meant for the Teen Wolf
block block shooting was we're gonna shoot all over all
the time. It's going to be shot like, you know,
an eight to ten month movie. And we did shoot

(59:18):
very much like a feature. Yes, and then you turn
around in the same spot and shoot everything from that angle.
All the scenes. We were shooting like six episodes at one. Yeah,
it's it's rough. We had too because we just didn't
have toime to the money man. And I go back
to saying, like, what a testament to a the audience
for finding us and be you know, it was such

(59:40):
a collective mentality between Russell, Tim and Jeff. We really
literally had two serious directors and sprinkled in other directors,
and that's very rare for a TV show. Usually you'll
have more than just two serious directors. Those guys didn't
sleep for they would go to from prep to shoot,
prep to shoot, prep to shoot. It paid off. Yeah,
I do think there was a conversation happening between the

(01:00:03):
three of them with the DP. I mean, everyone was
so collaboratives as a solidarity as you know, one one
for all between those that you know, those people and
so uh technically eight, but in in teen Wolf's case,
it's always a well let me it's it's complicated. It's complicated. Um,
did you know the arc of each season before they started?
Absolutely not? No, not even close. Um did shoot an

(01:00:27):
actual bowling alley? We did? We did? We started an
actual bowl. It looked like it's hard to fake a
bowling alley, Like it's so much easier to just to
rent one. That's why why would you build one? You
can just use one at night? Ye did? Did the
cast and crew stay after in play? I don't think
we did. We didn't. You weren't there yet, I wasn't there. No, No,
we didn't. We didn't we we we did not. The
day is over. People want to go home. It doesn't
matter if you're Disneyland when you've been shooting for thirteen

(01:00:48):
fourteen hours and they call and we were like fifteen
sixteen on average most shows. We like the amount of
overtime because it was obscene. We were such I mean,
Russell's such a perfectionist and so is Jeff. Um. They
they had, they fought for those extra hours and so
we were working fifteen sixteen hour days. Um, yeah, I
know we went home. If you could reasoot a scene,
would you do anything differently performance wise? I mean you listen,

(01:01:11):
an actually can always tear their own performance down and
pick it apart, and we'll always want to change it.
So was there anything when you think about Peter Hale
that you're like, I want to do this. There's so
many different things that I wanted to flesh out and
see histories with and understand the past of where he
came from, his relationship with with Argent for sure, and
then I obviously want to see movies itself. Well, yeah,

(01:01:32):
so that's something that JR. And I talk about all
the time, and I guess the cat is out of
the bag. We are looking hard at making a spinoff
about Peter Hale and Argent, and obviously I want Heckling
to participate. He's very busy these days, but we think
we can lure him over to play. We would like

(01:01:53):
to shoot it overseas and put some you know, some
flashback and some history into it, since these are sort
of kind of asal um. So that is that is
what I would like to flesh out, because the adults
did not get enough fleshing out in this because it's
just too many people to do that. So yeah, so
that's what Jay and I are talking about NonStop, and

(01:02:15):
we're going to work hard for that. So if you guys, yeah,
if you guys are interested in that, like you know, yeah,
like Argent Hale, Hale, Argent Hale, Argent, spinoff something like that,
because we're going to start beating down doors until they
let us do it. And I think Instagram lives or
any any you know, you know, we did the JR
On Bobo show for a while. How do I not

(01:02:36):
know about this? Oh my god? You follow me? Yes,
of course I follow you. Yeah, we would just sit here.
We would do one in my house and one in here.
Is we alternate like once every time? Kidding? How do,
I like know everything about every day Instagram Live and
we would just talk for an hour and just they're
freaking funny. Dude, I gotta go. They're obviously archived, they're archived,

(01:02:58):
and they're also we put them on YouTube, dude, Jaron
Bobo Show, we did like five or six of them.
I'm so that's what you're gonna get. Did you watch
my van series that I built on YouTube? Yes? I did,
because you sent it to me, your a little architect.
Yes I did. Every time I see a sprinter van,
I think about you should um And then how long
does it take to quarter fight scene? Oh honey, that

(01:03:19):
takes like two seconds, because yeah, you don't have much there, Like,
can you step over here for a second. You're gonna
be doing this in about four minutes, So just punch, punch,
duck turn hits like kick, turn, punch, flip back and repeat.
Got it? And you're like basic ballerinas. You're all Joey
from that from that Friend's episode. Yeah, exactly, Jazz. Yeah, yeah,
it's a dance so but it's it's fun. We have
great stunt coordinators that make it really easy and uh,

(01:03:42):
great camera work to cheat and if there's one dessert
we could have in Atlanta. There is a correct keep
thinking I was gonna, but oh do we remember where?
Ice cream? But the ice cream? Do we remember where
the restaurant was? Because it no longer exists? I don't
imagine it does you don't remember the name. I remember

(01:04:04):
the row, I remember the road it was on, but
not it was there, Freshie, but I don't remember. I
remember the restaurant of the door in the facade, and
I could spot it if it was there. But if
it's not that we discovered our love for for sticky
toffee pudding, both of us and all things like culinary.
Didn't we go to Benny Hanna once. I freaking love
Benia favorite restaurant. I want to go there on Valentine's
Day and we went to like a French restaurant, nice,

(01:04:25):
nice French retir. I was like, what am i Benny
Hannas He's like, I don't know, You're like Benihanas? Oh
my god? We do? Have we been to Benihanas together?
You know there's one in the valley we could go. Dude,
I bring Colton at least once a year. Okay, I'll
totally take you. I'm in town for the Benny Hannas
Bobo Show. Yeah, um, Ian, thank you for coming anytime.

(01:04:47):
And it's probably the biggest episode yet. As far as
focusing on the episode, because I get woo. I like
to talk to my friends and I you know, I
know that you guys, we see you in person occasionally
when we come to you a city or neer ule
sometimes to Team Wolf Team Wolfers out there the Howlers.
As far as this, this podcast goes kind of sticks, right, yeah,

(01:05:09):
of course, Um, let us know, like hit me up
on Instagram. Um if you want to see you know,
more behind the scenes stories, less behind the scenes stories. Um, yeah,
what do you want to see throughout these episodes? These
these we watch podcast chats. But thank you, mister Bowe.
You're welcome. So appreciate it, you bet. I can't wait
to listen to it when it comes out, honest. I

(01:05:29):
note he shot a short film eons ago, probably around
filming this third third episode of the first season, Where
can you find Morning Love? Oh? The one you and
I did? Yeah? Oh, so that was a project for
a class at UCLA that I was taking. Lighting it is,
that's the just cinematography that is Morning Love. Is all.
Just search for it on the internet. It's on I
think it's on YouTube or vimeo venmo venmo. Which one

(01:05:52):
is that one of them? Vimeo Venmo has just money.
That's that's just money money, um. And if not, I
will post it again because as it's gorgeous. I might
have had to take it down because I used a
tool song at the very end that I never got authorized.
You loved that tool song. It was the whole like
you couldn't short, didn't make sense. You were like, we
got this tool song. I'm gonna put it back up

(01:06:12):
on Instagram and tell me take it down and tell
me that I've like stolen and Maynard's intellectual property. It's fun,
I will say, you know, especially with the Team Off movie.
We've already covered this essentially, but we're just really happy
to be back and Field was so much more connected
to everybody through this weird dream that we're living right
now where Team Wolf is back in our lives kind
of on the forefront. Yeah, and maybe who knows, if

(01:06:34):
this movie turns out right, maybe they'll be more stuff,
more stuff. If you guys are digging it, we're gonna
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