April 10, 2023 • 47 mins
You won’t believe the story behind Seth landing his role on Teen Wolf (it’s actually pretty hard for him to believe too!)
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Hawler Back Now with Me Holland Rowden and
I Hunt Radio Podcast. Hey, everybody, welcome to Hallerback Now.
This is season one, episode eleven formality. The air date
was August eighth to twenty eleven. The synopsis of this
episode was it's the episode right before the season finale
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and it's why Struggling with family secrets. Alison focuses on
the Winter formal dance. Meanwhile, as the tensions between Werewolves
and Hunter's rise to a boiling point, Scott struggles to
protect both his friends and enemies. M Monica Maser wrote
this episode with Russell McKay directing. Stacked House with the
cast from everyone obviously from the main cast, Butt, Melisa Ponziolan,
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Ashbeatland and ashbj are Born, Joe Wagner, Ornie Adams, and
none other than our guests today, Seth gilliam And he
plays doctor Alan Dedon aka our resident Beacon Hills Vet
and we're very excited to have him on. Hello. Hello, Hello,
how are you great? How good are you are you?
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East coast or west coast? Right now? East coast? I'm
in New York City, New York City. How was your trip?
I know you just got back from from Europe, right, Yeah,
it was in Scotland. It was great. Oh was it
your first time? No, it was my second time, but
I hadn't been there in about fourteen years or something
like that. Wow. And then went to a completely different
area and did the whole tourist thing. So castles and
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so lovely. Yeah. I apologize. I had an eye surgery
last week, so I get to wear these cool spectacles
for a few weeks. It's toally fine. Was it a
success your eye surgery? It was with scary having an
eye surgery and I don't even wear glasses, so I'm
not I'm not a good eye patient. My doctor can
attest and everything's good, but just drops at the end
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of time. Yeah, yeah, all good. I just had to
hear this goes on so well. I can't go on
camera right now, but as far as the zoom camera,
I just get to look ridiculous and it's not shameful.
So it's like, yeah, guys, had eye surgery. Sorry exactly.
It's not like you hit yourself for the you know,
in the eye with the door. Yeah yeah. But anyway, well,
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thank you for so much for coming on. Welcome, Thank
you and I know that your first episode was episode three,
And do you remember basically the first time you heard
Team Wolf? How did it come about for you? The
casting director for the first season of teen Wolf was
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actually assigned. I was doing a PBS made for TV
movie down in Atlanta, and I was staying at the
hotel called the Mansion, which was fairly new at that point,
where you had butler's assigned to each room, and the
production assigned me a personal assistant because it have a
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car to drive me and my wife and at that
point my fairly newborn son around. While I was down
in Atlanta, and he told me that he wanted to
be a casting director, and he said if there was
something that he was casting because he was a fan
of mine from the Wire, would I do it? And
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I said yes, And then I get a call from
him one day saying yea, he casting Team Wolf. So
then so then casting Garthy called me up and asked
me if I'd be interested in um coming in. And
then he called me later on that day and said
that M. Jeff Davis, who was a fan of mine
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from the Wire, just wanted to offer me the role. Wow,
see you audition, but not really are you never even
audition never even auditioned. No, No, it was one of
those oh I know this guy. Oh I like that guy.
Oh well, let's use this guy. And that's how amazing.
Well I'm a big fan, so Ellis Carver means a
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lot to me. And I remember when when you came
on the show. It's like, oh my gosh, guys, we're
getting insane actors. This is amazing. I just got so tickled.
And we'll get to that at the end, because you've
had three really really long runs and then there's also
obviously odds too, so I have a ton of questions
about your other work and including Okay, So we start
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in Alison's car for episode eleven Formality, and she's driving
home and she's having these flashbacks that Aunt Kate just
showed her Derek chained up on the wall, and she
is having these kind of blank out moments when you're
driving but you don't realize you're driving, and she kind
of comes to and realizes that the sheriff's behind her
wants to pull her over, and he's trying just to
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give her a warning, and she's like, no, no, give
me a ticket. This isn't who I am, you should
give me a ticket, And it then cuts to you know,
Allison practicing her crossbow and her shooting, and there's a
picture on the target and it is none other than
Derek Kale And that's when we cut two. And I
loved you in this episode. It was hard to decide
which episode if you were willing to come on, and
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we were so honored to have you that which episode
do we choose? But I really loved you in episode
eleven because the next scene is the animal clinic. In
this episode where Scott wakes up and I love on
teen Wolf, they start with really fun inserts, and so
it was that overhead light that sort of blinks on.
Do you remember do you remember watching that scene? Did
you watch the episodes back? How have you viewed Teen
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Wolf so far? I watched them when they first when
they first came on at the same time that everyone
else is watching them, and I watched them in the
real time. I haven't revisited the show in quite a while, yeah, um,
in some years. Yeah. I started to about a month
before we did the movie because I wanted to remind
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myself of you know, the tone and tamber and all
that kind of thing, but I didn't get very far.
I think I got like three episodes in and then
life that's that was your first episode? Yes, three episodes
that Yes? Um well, I love the scene that you
open up with because it's showing way more of your
cards than you had shown so far in the season.
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Was that you you know in the previous episode in
episode ten, it shows something along the lines of like, hey,
I don't just deal with human I mean just with
normal animals the ninety percent of my cases or cats
and dogs. And in this episode you come face to
face with Peter Hale. Was that your first scene with
Ian Bowen from from your recollection? Yes, yes it was. Yes?
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What was it quite fun playing together? Do you have
any memories of that scene? It's so funny. He reminds
me so much of like a nineteen forties movie villain.
His style is so old school kind of you see
him you know this, Yeah, you know what I mean,
on the wall type of type of screen chewing acting.
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Um so, So I loved working with Ian on that. Yeah.
I loved when you know, he's very animated in that
scene and you were just dead pan right at him
and uh and when you threw and he throws the chair.
Was the chair not flinch? Yeah, it was a stunt drop.
I mean they were throwing things against the wall, you know.
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But the whole idea is that Deaton is fortified. He's
got the mountain ash around the thing. He also knows
how that he knows his wear around and Werewolf or two.
Do you know what a scene like it was yesterday? Yes,
And he's not going to be intimidated. And and also
I thought it was a good contrast to what Ian
was doing. You know, did you see on the day, like,
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do you remember if they did his coverage first? You
were watching it and you're like, okay, and you've seen
enough of the other I got the feeling that they
mostly did everyone's coverage before they did my coverage. I
tended to work really fast. Ye back then I kind
of prided myself on two chains and you're out, you know,
so um remember that. So it seemed it seemed better
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to get everybody else's coverage before mine because they could
try a lot of different things. Because you know, I
made two choices, and that's what I was going with.
I love that. I love that they trusted you. You know, yeah,
I love you yeah, yeah, they did at that point
and continue to do so, and so um. You know,
I it's always exciting for me for my same partners
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to give them as many options to do as many
different thinks on it as they have. You know, if
they've got five choices, I'm like, let's do all five,
you know, just I'll give you the same stuff for
each one, and we'll see what goes better chemistry wise,
what fits. That's the way I kind of kind of
like to do it. The directors necessarily don't necessarily care
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for that, you know. They kind of want to get
They have a lot of things to get done in
the day, you know, and I want to spend time
messing around. I think it's nice if you have have
five different takes. But I love that Deton was just
so about business and had no fear in that is
very clear that like do you and your mind have
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you know, they had many inner passings before, have they
have they been kicking around Beacon Hills and you in
your mind did you think you already knew each other?
You know? And in my mind was kind of thing
where I'd heard of him but not had This is
where I was going with it. But now I had
a face to face confrontation with him, you know first, Yeah, yeah,
and uh and I also at the time, I was
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also thinking, you know, if you've got a wild animal,
you don't go given a lot of you don't do
a lot. True, that's so true. You're very still. Yeah,
you're very still so as not to set it off.
Oh that's such a good thing. I didn't think about that. Yeah,
I could tell both stories. One that he was unafraid,
it had nothing to fear, and another was that he
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was recognizing it's a very dangerous creature. And you know
how I could have mess around, kick jumping around him
because God knows what he'll do to you or try to, right,
I didn't even think. I just saw Cocaine Bear for
the first time. Oh yeah, have you seen it yet?
It's quite silly. It's love Elizabeth Thanks directed it, and
it's got a great tone of just a wild, weird,
(10:18):
bizarre tone to the movie. In the best way possible.
It's like nineteen eighties, all the tropes of like the
fun eighties, silliness, um, the outfits, the somewhat of the
you know, the banter, but that it's it's a comedy
but it's also a slash or horror. Um it's it's. Yeah,
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it's a really fun very much suspended in reality, very slightly.
If you blink, you miss the true story part of it. Um.
So it's it's but it's it is based on is
a real thing that happens. So it's pretty crazy that happened.
Um But anyhow, so, yeah, I did even think about that. Yeah,
the stillness of the animal such a smart perspective to
take on it. Yeah, that's why they that's why they
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hired you. The next scenes, at Scott's house, he's looking
for his phone and sounds like, you know what, I'll
buy a new one. Derek took it spoil alert and
his styles reminds him that, you know, Derek tried to
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kill him, and Scott's like, you know, he wasn't trying
to kill anybody. But he hears a noise and it
turns out it's his mom on the phone because he's
having that supersonic hearing and his mom was nervous about
the fallout from the date with good old Peter Hale
and you know, feeling that just Scott seeing a different
side of his arm of being um, just dating and
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a little on her heels exactly exactly, because I remember
seeing my mom going on dates like growing up once
it hears divorced, and so I remember, like for the
first time, feeling that like, oh, Mom's a human as
an adult, like and that was that first time that
Scott's you know, well this second time, I guess you know,
the first one was when Peter picture of the house.
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But but yeah, just feeling that that sense of failure
from his mom that his mom felt data. Yeah. No, Uh,
my past divorce with my mother had pretty much a
long term boyfriend after that, so I didn't see many
instances of her you know, that kind of nervous unsurety, Yeah,
that adults have that they rarely show kids, you know,
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Um totally, So I didn't get that kind of insight
into my mom and would have been an insight into
into her to see her in that in that state
of being and that that frame of mind. But uh,
I didn't really, I didn't really get to experience that
I had. I had the opposite thing of the boyfriend,
um really going overboard to try to make me feel
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comfortable whenever he was around. Yeah, you know, and approve
and approve of him. You know, well, hopefully you have
some good memories of Yeah, take him taking you out
and showing you all kinds of New York. I've got
some great memories. He's the reason why I'm a Mets
fan because he took first baseball games. Did you and
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Dylan bond over that? I'm sure at some point we did.
Bothered over that, we did. We had some we had
some long Mets conversations actually, um, and you know, and
we're a generation apart essentially, so it was kind of
different players of who who was doing what was Were
you teaching him about the previous players or did he
know your players? He knew my players, and he was
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teaching me more about the younger players. Oh really, Yeah,
he's a he's a ridiculous Mets fan. Oh, yes he is.
And he's got a whip of a memory man that
he's at Rolodex. Yeah, he's a Mets historian. Yeah. Oh,
they should have like a plaque of Dylan O'Brien just
and all the other mega fans of the Mets. I
thought where he got to throw out a first pitch
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at some home? Did he? Oh that's really exciting for him,
that's amazing. That's amazing. And then and then did he
take you? Did your step to take or mom's boyfriend
take you to any plays? Or is that? Did that
bugs start differently? That was? That was my grandmother and
my mother mostly taking me to theater. Yeah, my grandmother
took me to movies and plays, and my mother would
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tag along, and her boyfriend Jean took me to other
sporting events. So this is all in New York. This
is all in New York. You got to see New
York in so many phases. I did got your life. Yeah,
I got the early seventies when I was a kid,
all the way through to the twenty eighth century New
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York city I live in. Now. Do you do you
keep your playbills from your plays and your do you
like musicals? Plays? Both? Like what's your what's your? Jan?
I prefer, I prefer, but the same way I enjoyed musicals.
Strangely enough, I'm not a Disney musical person, and they
seem to be lots of Disney musical but but for
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some reason I am I wasn't really into Disney cartoons,
so I never never really made the transition into Disney
musicals right right as a kid, I liked other kinds
of cartoons, which which led me to more violent fair
you know. You know, as cartoons, you're not the first
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boy or even the first person, you know. I tell
myself I would be broke if I lived in New
York City because I there's not a budget, really, very
very a very faint idea of a budget to the
extent where like I'll I will, I will make heavy
sacrifices elsewhere in my life for that month if I
can go see my plays. I totally get that I'm
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going to place here. For years, there was a little
time when I was in college and I was short
on funds where we used to second act plays. Do
you know what second act do? You only go for
the second act? Yeah. You go to Broadway Way for
the shows to let out, and people come out and
some of them drop their ticket stop to whatever. People
who were walking out on the player who were leaving
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usually old, older people who you know, have to get
back to wherever you know they're coming in from before,
like the rush hour crowd. Yeah, which they'd be in
danger of traveling along with. So they leave the show,
leave the matinee, take the ticket, you go sit in
their seat and wants the second half. That is, so
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you only thought you never got to see the first half.
You're like, well, I'll figure out what happened. No, I'm
still waiting to see what the first act of Burn
This would be, like David Member, I think it was
a David play. I would to see it with Madonna
three times a second act that that played. Wait, Madonna
was in Burn This Mananna was in the original cast
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of Burn This. God, there's so much I want to
pick your brain about about play. That's a whole different podcast. Yeah,
Mistakes Were Made was my first one I saw when
we were there for the upfronts of the Teen Wolf
and Michael Shannon was a ninety minute monologue, one man show,
and I waited afterwards because I was such a fan
of his from Take Shelter and June Bug, and he
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was just coming on a boardwalk Empire where a bunch
of people wanted to see him. Because of that, I
was like, get out of the way, people. I've been
a fan a lot longer, and this one group of
guys just would not leave him. And I'm I never
the person that wants to meet anybody because there's really
not really a big connection for me as far as
like the work to their real life. But for some reason,
I was fan girling out on Michael Shannon and I
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waited and so awkwardly my friends like let's just go.
I'm like, please, No, we have to stay and waiting
for this group of guys to shut shut their yappers
about about Boardwalk Empire so that I could meet him,
and he sure enough. You know, it was so kind.
He's like, well, what are you doing here if you're
an actor? And I was like, well, I'm here for
this upfront. He's like, okay, that's a big deal. And
he like really took an interest in teen Wolf, wanted
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to know the synopsis, wanted to see who you know
created it, and she was just very quiz about it.
And I know he did that for my benefit and
not his, and so that was very sweet of him.
Um well generous, Yeah, very generous. That was my first
New York fancy play. I got to go spend money
on it and did not disappoint. So I'm glad you
had that experience with it. Yeah, yeah, it was great.
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But uh but yeah, do you have a favorite play,
top three that you've seen over time? You want to see.
You want to see the first actor burn this that's
on the list. I want to see the first actor
furn list. Yeah, you know when I was, when I
was studying acting, Uh, you know, most of the days
before I started trying to pursue a career, I always
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wanted to see and I love this movie with Elizabeth
Taylor and Richard Burton, But I've always wanted to see
a live production of Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf. Yeah.
I know it's like a classic, and I haven't read
it in years. I don't know if how it would
hold up or not, but I just remember being kind
of traumatized by the last couple of lines, and you know,
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he was afraid of Virginia Wolf. I am George. I
am George, and it just really kind of bottomed me out.
So I'd love to go to a theater and see
some company to a production of that. I remember hearing
about it. I don't know about the center or eight
years ago, and I didn't get a chance to see it.
And uh, I saw that movie for the first time
at the New Beverly that Quentin Tarantino owns. And I
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have a friend that takes me to old movies. My
friend Joel Michaeli and he took me to Anti Mame
where everybody dresses up as Anti Mame at the New Beverage.
Yes in Los Angeles, Guys, it's on so usually Wednesday
is between either two or three o'clock. They play an
old movie and it's really fun. There's like a bunch
of like cinephiles around LA that like really take it
really seriously, so it's really quite fun to watch. But
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that's that was the first time I saw that movie.
I love the old movies. I love getting a sense
of what the style was, you know, what the acting
style was, clothing, what they were speaking about, what the
issues of the day were, you know. Yeah, and it's
always kind of like a little time capsule. Society was, well, yeah,
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what the error was. Well, it's it's this is definitely
my biggest play play a talk but uh, I know,
it's just I had to. I had to pick your
brain because it's, uh, it's something so fun to to
talk to you about, especially coming from New York. So
the next scene, guys, is basement with Derek where Kate
he still has obviously Derek tied up and Kate's saying,
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you know that Derek killed his sister, and Derek's asks
if she's gonna torture him, and she says, no, I
just want to catch up and she's just saying her
to remember all the fun we had together and Derek,
you know, they always have this very odd banter when
Derrett's like, oh the fun, like you know, when you
burn my family alive, and she says, you know, she
just loves how much he hates her, and she doesn't
want to torture him. And the door opens and there's
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a man and Kate says, but he does, and then
it goes to Alison's roof for Scott is watching Alison's
sleep and he's having hard time keeping his eyes open
and he falls off the roof to cut to the
locker room, where there's this big scene that Scott's family
a bunch of classes, so they were going to kick
him off the lacrosse team and coach Finn Stock puts
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a stop to that because that's now a star player
and says, listen, he won't go to the formal so uh,
Scott basically says, okay, well I quit the team and
he's like, that's not an option I'll pull your teeth
out if you try to do that. Or and he
always had quite a lot of fun. I love that
he uh was just had no idea how a script
work worked. And he I was gonna say that didn't
he read the scripts or did they just give him
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he did? Right? You go, He's like, so, what's what's
going on this episode? Uh? He is just a funny,
funny guy. Man, He's hilarious. So, um, Scott goes to
Jackson and says, listen, you gotta take Alison to the dance.
He better just do it as friends. Come on, you
know you're her friend too. Um, you guys have spent
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a lot of time together when you're trying to get
to me, and Jackson's like nah basically, and um, styles
like let's try to say your life and he's just
not having it. Jackson walks off and Scott's like, hey,
one more thing and turns the eyes yellow. And I
think it's always fun when we play these gags where
it cuts to straight too Jackson being terrified of the
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yellow eyes to a sweating face locker clothes. Hey, let's
go to the dance with me. You know, there's a
lot of these like fun little gags that Team Wolf
always played into. UM that I think I think that
the fans, the fans really enjoyed and made teen Wolf
um a bit different than the other Supernatural shows for
its time. And then we're at the mall and that's
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a fun scene. I do remember that the mall was
at night and it was closed. Um, South, I know
you were not in this scene. Have you ever have
you ever shot at a at a mall at night
or store at night. I've not shot at the mall
at night. I did do a convention in a mall
that was closed for the weekend. That's crazy, that's fun.
So that was kind of kind of weird. It felt
(22:58):
a bit like being at in some like post apocalyptic center. Right.
Everything is there, but the people are gone, right. I
did I one convention at only one mall once and
it was during what it was open, and I was
so excited because there was a it was, oh my gosh,
where was I was at San Francisco or Seattle. There
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was Seattle where there was a handmade pulled noodles and
it was like a mom and pop that had rented
out one of the kiosks at the food court and
it was like a site TBC. I mean it was
like people flocked to this one kiosk at the food court,
and I thought it was so smart of them because
it's cheaper than a strip mall, and it's like, if
you can build a good reputation, and everything else was changed,
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it was like Panic Express and it's sabarrow but but but, um,
just this one kiosk and it's some of the best
pulled noodles, like Chelsea Market style, like good pulled noodles. Yeah, yeah,
that's so. That's that's my that's my mall convention story.
But uh yeah, shooting the mall at night was fun.
I remember Macy's has sponsored us, and it was a
(24:02):
very big deal of what color I'm gonna wear and
what color Crystal's gonna wear. It was a very big deal,
and so they decided she's good, the Brunette's gonna wear silver,
and the Redhead's gonna wear um kind of goldish color.
And at first it is too similar. I mean, the
conversations that go on behind the scenes that have nothing
to do with acting or directed it's it's quite funny. Um,
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the marketing behind and you know how many hats are
in the room about you know, from Macy's being like,
we really want these brands pushed, not these brands. I mean,
I actually haven't told this story. I don't think ever. Yeah,
it was just a very funny story about this. It's
like this is a TV series, not of intial life.
Oh but we had we had no money, so any
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money they were gonna give us, We're like, we will
fit all of that in that episode. Yes we will
for that product placement. Um. But I remember being like
it was, yeah, it was. I remember we had an
escalator scenes like when you you know, you cut the
escalator scene, you got to go around and come back down,
come back up, like there's no shortcut to get back there.
You know. It's the setups were quite funny, and it's like,
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why don't we put this damn scene on the escalator, um,
something along the lines of that. Yeah, but because the
edged stairs are never anywhere near the escalator as never, no,
absolutely not absolute. Um. So yeah, that was I do
wonder in like, you know, thirty years, our department store
is gonna be a thing in the past, and you
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know all those floors of like makeups on this always
on the lower level like with shoes and you know,
but um, yeah, it's just how this show will age,
will be interesting. But so yeah, so that's Peter shows
up at the mall says, you know that's not her color.
The Macy's executives worth that imperfectly to steer her towards
another color, And um, you know, I'm piling all the
dresses on styles and building our our character banter back
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and forth in season one. Um, but um, you know
Peter did Warren. He's gonna go after the more innocent
and you're scene if you're not going to give up Scott,
so uh yep, yep. So we're going into Scott's bedroom
and Scott's getting ready for the formal and his mom's like,
you know, it does get better, and he's like, I
don't want it to get better, Like she's the one
for me. M Jackson and his alcoholism in the car
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as she's like, you know, sucking down the flask for
for the formal and she Alice's like, you don't want
to be a little sober and he's like, no, I
don't remember this. She's like, well, I want to remember
a little maybe, but the formal was quite fun. I
do wish she were there because Russell was having a
blast with all of his cranes. It was like the
first one of the bigger stories. Yeah. And then we
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had a band from New Zealand called Kids of eighty
eight and they actually ended up coming into town where
I took them to a party that was our first
party and about one of our only parties really publicly
with Nylon magazine and we did a Nylon shoot with
for them, and so I got to take the New
Zealand the Kiwi band into the the party and I
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remember they were they were nine people in their group
and I had to call Perez Hilton out of all people,
I did not know him, but someone's like, you know,
Perez can get them in. Because I was like, hey, guys,
I call my agency. Can I get a plus nine
to the Nylon party. They're like, no, that's absolutely And
I don't know. And I got my makeup done at
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the Bobby Brown counter and they gave me massive eyebrows.
It was so bad. And I'm on my first one
of my first big red carpets with these massive eyebrows
and I didn't have enough money to get my makeup done.
So you're the trick of the actors back in the
day as you go buy one product, like a cheap product,
like a lip gloss, but if you buy a product
at the makeup counter, they have to do your whole
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makeup if you ask, I don't know if you knew this?
Did you know this? I did not know that that's
good today. This was like the old school tricks back
in the day. And so you'd buy like a twelve
dollars lip gloss, like are you I'm like can I can?
I just see like how what this color looks like
eyebrows and you get your whole face done like the
three treatment flight twelve boys. That's what I did for
the Nyland party that I took kids of eighty eight
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two that they were in town for like one day.
So anyway, so the formal was quite a long night.
I think it was a couple of nights that we
ended up filming that. We also didn't pay the light
bill accidentally in this episode, and those lights got carted
off on the formal day that we had to wait
eleven hours to get them back, so we were all
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in overtime. Oh wow, As Posey says, there's I always
mentioned smartlest This is my favorite podcast. They have this.
Uh when they talk about the business, they're layment, they
you know, for to describe certain terms. They'll say, oh,
Sean's aunt Tracy in Maryland or Wisconsin, that's where it is.
And uh so I was gonna use Tracy and Wisconsin,
and Tyler goes, no, no, no, we should use Kimberly
(28:44):
and Michigan. So Kimberly and Michigan. You know, overtime is
you work more than twelve and a half hours. It's
a twelve hour day plus lunch ascentiallyfts, assuming of a
half hour lunch, and then you go in overtime and
that's when our overtime starts as actors. And um, yeah,
we were in overtime before like really the day started.
It was pretty nuts and yeah, and some mistake hap
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I don't know what happened if we did pay it,
but they didn't think we did, so they carted off
all the lights. It was like being evicted on our
own set. Yeah, that's the true story, guys. Um, wow,
there was a mix up of some sort and um
and yeah, and so everyone's just kicking it on the
playground and that's when we got to know the band.
That's why they contacted me when they got right. Yeah,
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so fun stories behind the episode of formality. There's some
fun stuff where you know, Scott sneaks into the formal.
He endn't getting to dance with Allison um Styles and
I have a really fun moment where he's like, get
your cute butt up and you know, I know you're
gonna doin a Nobel Prize. I'm the one who knows
how smarts you are. And and there was a Fields Medal.
Um I said, well, you don't win the Nobel Prize
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from mathematics, that's the Fields Medal. And that was like
one of our first bonding moments. Um So, I know
the fans loved, loved that line. But outside the formal,
Jackson gets drunk and is looking into the woods. He's
these two red eyes. It turn is that the way
actually lasers that are coming up with argents, the argents
and saying like well you know, Jackson's like, hey, I
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want you to make me what you are. And so
when they come out with the lasers like well you're
not our guy, but we think we know your guy,
so you're gonna help us. But the scene basically ends
with um Styles running out to get Jackson. I'm now
looking for Jackson and I walk out to the field
where Peter Hale comes out and bites me and they
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styles in him one off. There was always a lot
of shadowing on Teen Wolf. Um what what stuck out
to you? Was it like the lighting? Was it the
camera shots? Like what made you faun of the show
and watching episodes on a continuous basis, It to me
it was the characters. There was the interplay. It was
the interplay in the chemistry of the characters. Really, Um,
(30:51):
I'm not a big supernatural guy. We're horror guy. Interestingly enough,
I likewise, yeah, so, um so I've never never really
didn't wanted to follow what the you know what, what
what the structure of the genre was all about. But
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I one thing I do recall is that or I did.
I don't recall much humor in supernatural stuff. And there
was a lot of one lighter quick off what they
just say humor things in the Team Wolf that I
really liked about it that I think set it apart
(31:34):
from all that those other shows in the genre, absolutely
in reading had a tongue in cheek, but not just
tongue in cheek is kind of simple humor, but it
had a tongue like a forked tongue in tee in cheek.
Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, totally sharp, sharp puncture,
(31:56):
totally so. So that's so that's what got me. It
was the performances and the interaction between the characters. I
always thought the characters really fun. And it's only going
back this time watching the show that I'm like, God,
the you know, like I said, when I watch for
different perspectives, it was like the amount of inserts that
they use really was an interesting way to tell a story,
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and it's one that sets it apart from stage. Was
because as a director, I truly do feel more of
a puzzle piece. I'm a puzzle piece, you know. It's
it's I have to fit in to the story as
an actor, and depending on how they shoot that, there's
so many different tones that they can capture and how
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they edit it obviously, and I find that really fun
and daunting. I don't know if I could ever direct,
because that just sounds so daunting to me of what's
the right way to tell it. But I always thought
I always appreciated how teen Wolf absolutely had the tongue
in cheek, very much different than every other supernatural Sean
TV at the time. Yeah, and it was very like
(33:02):
when Stranger Things came out. Stranger Things reminded me so
much a Teen Wolf and yeah, yeah, and I thought
the one regret I have that I asked Jeff and
he's like, Holland Money. I wish we went full eighties
Like I wish we had Benched an eighties show. I
think that would have captured a lot of people's hearts.
They don't necessarily really would have. Yeah, do you remember
(33:25):
the first person you met on Teen Wolf? Was the
first person that I met? Yeah, I think it was
Tyler Posey, was it? Yeah, when Tyler Posey, I mean
after Jeff Davis put as far as the cast goes,
and yeah, okay, it's interesting. Huh uh. I remember thinking,
(33:46):
this kid has a lot of energy. I mean, do
you remember the bart jokes up until actually, oh my god,
left and right, him and Dylan farting all over each other,
farting all over each other. What are you? First of all,
are you eating? They weren't eating anything. He would order
a whole pizza and wings. Yeah, not at crafty, like
(34:09):
just calling delivery because they didn't have you know, food
delivery at the time. But it was just yeah, it
was he he ate more than any other human I've
ever seen eat to have apps. I was like, where
where is the professional athletes? Literally like these kids and
they were parkouring, like jumping off the trailer walls literally,
(34:29):
and I know, I was like, thank god producers are
not at base camp right now because I'm sister, like, yeah,
please don't get hurt. Episodes. Yeah, they're just a funny bunch. Um,
So yeah, there was fun stuff that went on a
base camp. Like I remember it was so hot one
day in LA that we put a baby pool out
(34:50):
in base camp in season three. Um, but you know,
always shenanigans on this show man, it was. It was
a fun set to work on. Do you remember that.
You remember I remember thinking these guys keep me young,
you know, because the energy was just such And I
also remember the lack of ego from anyone. But you know,
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it's weird. You get you know, you run into young
actors and they're either just so full of themselves it's
really it's gross, or they're so clueless that you're afraid
you won't be able to get a performance out of it. Yea,
you know, they're just so happy to be there and
just the coolest. But but these guys had the right
kind of mixture of both, like, I know, I'm here,
(35:34):
it's a job, but at the same time, you know,
I'm I'm not thirty yet, and I'm not going to
act like I'm forty. They were eighteen fifty. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like I'm still I'm still a kid, and I'm
going to enjoy myself because that's what life is about
for me. So I always felt like, you know, they
kept me young. They It's such a good way to
say that too, Like that hasn't really been brought up before.
(35:57):
I mean, obviously we've all I can speak to from
personal experience in Hollywood of seeing like really full of
themselves young people uma, and it's I can't imagine what
you've seen. It is. It is very depress and scary. Yeah,
it's depressing because it's like, oh, these are the people
you're hiring. Oh, you're gonna set the whole like, you know,
the whole generation back and the whole company of that
(36:20):
of that show, that whole business is waiting. That's the foundation,
you know, from a public stand standpoint, and so the
face of it and so um no, it was very
much a roll your sleeves up kind of show. And
I think between like how much water was involved and
cold temperature, freezing temperatures at night. Um we had to
(36:43):
keep them morale high and they did a really good
job of just like the silliness invigorated everybody who did it.
It really did it, and it helped. It helped for
the sense of play, you know that you have to
have when you're acting. You have to have a sense
of like trying to thinking. It was Brian Cox or
Alan Comming. I think it was Alan Cummings the other
(37:03):
day that I heard this quite He's like, it's play.
We pretend that. He's like, I I just get up
and play. He's like, that's what I do for a living. Yeah,
He's it's not a process. He's like, it's just a play.
It's a play. They call it a play. They don't
call it a work. You know, it's a a work. Bye.
But when it comes down to it, it's a play. Storry, Yeah, Yeah,
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how is the Wire? How is Oz? How is Walking Dead?
Super Troopers? Like you are a bit a part of
so many iconic shows and movies like what what are
your favorite jobs? Would you get recognized the most from?
Recognize the most of these days from a cross between
The Walking Dead and The Wire. Um, I have a
(37:56):
lot of generational fans from Starship Troopers because I guess
a lot of kids because there was a nude shower
scene in it that wasn't a sex scene, but it
made it like a g rating or or something like that.
So you know, I get lots of kids who were
like twelve when they saw it come up to me.
(38:16):
You know, who are adults now because the movie is
like twenty years old or twenty one years old, but yeah,
they're walking dead in the Wire is mostly when I
get recognized for hardcore criminals and cops recognize me from OZ.
Did you ever get to talk about the ends that
have come up to that? Hop? Done time? Do they
open up about that? Yeah? They do, they do for
(38:38):
the most part. They're happened to be out for one
and being able to have a conversation about it. And
its strangely enough, OZ was one of those shows you
know in the person you get to watch TV for
an hour or a week or something like that and
it's got to be a communal thing, and they usually
have something like a sporting event or something like that
that they can watch. But I've talked to three different
(39:00):
um people who've done time who said that they were
shown OZ and I'm like, that's weird. The one show
you get a week, Yeah, would be a show that's
you know, a reflection of had tapes and yeah, that's
that's all. It's almost form of punishment in a weird way,
(39:21):
you know, to to to you're but I guess it's
kind of like people watching reality shows. You know, Yes,
it's cathartic on Sunday level. Yeah, but they like, they
clearly liked. I mean, it's a great show, so it's like,
you know, I'm sure they enjoyed it. Ever done anything
in a person? Have you ever gotten to a president?
And like, no, only asylums, A lot of asylums, um
(39:43):
and like nineteen fifty abandoned. I worked in a one
asylum that was super long building in Connecticut and will Amantic,
Connecticut was one of the I call it my movie
jail job actually because it was the first season after
I don't even think it was the first season after
Team I think it was after the pilot p sentation
where we got picked up that that may So it
(40:03):
was that summer before we started to go to shoot
the first season in October of two thousand and ten.
And um, I just wanted to do that. I liked
it because, um, the spirit inhabits your body and you
got to play like as this young girlfriend girl I
would play. The previous tenants of the asylum building would
(40:24):
inhabit me. So I was like that, what a fun
What a fun thing to play. But yeah, a terrible production.
And I could say that now wholeheartedly. I have no
shame about it, and I'm not going to pretend it's
something it's not. And you know, the people involved were
just not very that the cast was professional. They cast
(40:44):
a real cast. I don't know how. I think it
was with a lot of money, but we were not
paid a lot of money. But the guy was a
computer developer wanting to become a director. He knew nothing
about He kept doing these masters and um, and I
would be like, do you do you want to get
coverage or a lot of us would coverage huh, you
(41:04):
know coverage And he's like, guys, we're gonna get some coverage.
And I mean it was bad. It was really and
my team tried to warn me, don't go do this.
You're not gonna make any money. This is not gonna
go and I was like, I don't care. I want
to go. Yeah out And the cast had a lot
of fun, but it was really stressful. The crew wasn't
treated very well. They were like working at CVS part time,
and then we were doing these night shoots at night
(41:25):
and they were sleeping on mattresses and a bit. It
was a very bizarre experience. But this was where I
shot at this that asylum with this long building and
we were shooting in one wing of it, and they said,
don't go to the other winging, so what do we do?
Of course, on our lunch break, like, let's go to
the other wing. And the lead paints like coming off
the walls and it was the most and all the
(41:45):
cells were like it was it looked like a prison,
but it was technically it was like a nineteen forties
or fifties, you know, far banded asylum that you know
very much embodied a prison back then. Um with the
treatments that they were doing and um, yeah, it was
interesting variance, but that's the closest I've actually never been
to a prison. I mean I was going to ask
you for your researcher for the wire, did you Yes,
(42:09):
I did not. I did a couple of play readings,
um for prisoners who brought to a particular place, and
they were the I'd say, I have to say, they're
some of the best audiences all right, I mean, hanging
on every word, doing the bad guy, cheering for the
(42:30):
good guy present there. Yeah, when you're deprived of certain
things we take for granted and interactions day to day,
then they live for storytelling. I could see that. Yeah, yeah,
totally total. It's just the human spirit. Yeah, it's weird.
It's like either high school kids at early morning productions. Um.
(42:54):
I remember I was doing The Maids um by Jean Jennet,
which is at the Classic Stage Company here in New York.
It was on thirteenth and Third Avenue. I think it
might be called something else now, but it might still
be Classic Stage Company. But The Maids is by Jennet
is played by three men, two men dressed up as
(43:17):
two women. And and then there's the Madame, who was
a woman who was being played by a man. So
you've got three men playing women and dressing up as women,
and I played the madame. So I come in at
one point, might make my big entrance, and I was.
(43:38):
I was so terrified to do it because the kids
were so loud. This was a ten am performance or
a bunch of sophomores and juniors in high school. And
I was wearing a thong and a third cape and
six inch heels and nothing else. First time in your
first time in six inch heels this production. Yes, first
time in six inches and I had to I'm down
(44:00):
a stairwell. Stairwell that must have been a ninety degree angle.
Welcome to night for most women. Yeah, staircase is literally
at such more of an appreciation because I come to
the top of the stairwell, I dropped the cape and
then walked down the phase and these kids must have
(44:23):
hooted and hollered for about five minutes. Streight's amazing. I
got down to the deck to the stage and I
had to hold for five minutes. We do these. We
were doing these talkbacks after the show to see, you know,
what they thought. And Peter Francis, James and Charles Bush
and I were in the cast and we came out
(44:45):
to do the talk back, and they were hooting and
hollering about, you know, the cross dressing. Yeah, cross dressing
was just crazy to them. And Peter Francis James said,
We'll let me put it to you this way. How
many any of you are taking biology? All taking biology?
What makes up a man and what makes up a woman?
(45:05):
You have an X X chromosome makes a woman, X
Y chromosome makes a man. So that means that every
man is at least half a woman. Drop off. Hilarious.
That's a great response. Oh that's so they fell out.
That's so funny. That's such a great story. I love that. Yeah,
(45:28):
what's next for what's next for you right now? Do
you have any stage coming up and doing some kind
of podcast zoom series of love, Labor, Loss starting Shakespeare
starting next week, I believe um. And then I and
then I go off to Boston to do another horror film.
(45:50):
I don't know what the deal is with the horror
and the supernatural, but once we get in there, it's
like a it's like a it's like a it's a
tattoo stamp to our fourheads. Yeah, yeah, well, you know,
I think it's really fun because I'm not traditionally a
horror person. I'm a sci fi I love like Contact
or Gattica like I am. I love space, travel time
and travel different interstellar gravity like I am. I am there. Yeah, yes, exactly. Yeah,
(46:16):
even even cocaine beart. You know, it's it's at least
has a fresh idea of like, hey, let's tell a
movie like this, let's tell a true story. It's gonna
be a comedy, but it's also got to grab you
and and I think teen Wolf also, Jeff had the
foresight to put a lot of those kind of you know,
oil and water ideas back in the day, which which
(46:37):
made it really fun. Oh, I could pick your brain
for hours about plays. Let's learn with your top three
favorite restaurants in New York. Do you eat out a lot?
Either outer or not? Not something I do, but I
eat out, but I eat it the same a few places.
I like sushi. I love my sushi. I love Chinese
food and pizza. You know, you're such a New Yorker man,
(47:01):
I'm assuming you couldn't. You could never do la long term.
I tried. It's not for me. Yeah, no, I get it.
Get Crystal Krstal moved in New York a couple years ago.
Oh yeah yeah, she says she can't go back either. Well,
thank you, honey for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you, Holland,
it's great to see you. Take care you too, honey.
Bye bye. Thanks for listening, y'all. Follow us on Instagram
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next time.
This is Hawler Back Now with Me Holland Rowden and
I Hunt Radio Podcast. Hey, everybody, welcome to Hallerback Now.
This is season one, episode eleven formality. The air date
was August eighth to twenty eleven. The synopsis of this
episode was it's the episode right before the season finale
(00:24):
and it's why Struggling with family secrets. Alison focuses on
the Winter formal dance. Meanwhile, as the tensions between Werewolves
and Hunter's rise to a boiling point, Scott struggles to
protect both his friends and enemies. M Monica Maser wrote
this episode with Russell McKay directing. Stacked House with the
cast from everyone obviously from the main cast, Butt, Melisa Ponziolan,
(00:46):
Ashbeatland and ashbj are Born, Joe Wagner, Ornie Adams, and
none other than our guests today, Seth gilliam And he
plays doctor Alan Dedon aka our resident Beacon Hills Vet
and we're very excited to have him on. Hello. Hello, Hello,
how are you great? How good are you are you?
(01:09):
East coast or west coast? Right now? East coast? I'm
in New York City, New York City. How was your trip?
I know you just got back from from Europe, right, Yeah,
it was in Scotland. It was great. Oh was it
your first time? No, it was my second time, but
I hadn't been there in about fourteen years or something
like that. Wow. And then went to a completely different
area and did the whole tourist thing. So castles and
(01:35):
so lovely. Yeah. I apologize. I had an eye surgery
last week, so I get to wear these cool spectacles
for a few weeks. It's toally fine. Was it a
success your eye surgery? It was with scary having an
eye surgery and I don't even wear glasses, so I'm
not I'm not a good eye patient. My doctor can
attest and everything's good, but just drops at the end
(01:55):
of time. Yeah, yeah, all good. I just had to
hear this goes on so well. I can't go on
camera right now, but as far as the zoom camera,
I just get to look ridiculous and it's not shameful.
So it's like, yeah, guys, had eye surgery. Sorry exactly.
It's not like you hit yourself for the you know,
in the eye with the door. Yeah yeah. But anyway, well,
(02:16):
thank you for so much for coming on. Welcome, Thank
you and I know that your first episode was episode three,
And do you remember basically the first time you heard
Team Wolf? How did it come about for you? The
casting director for the first season of teen Wolf was
(02:37):
actually assigned. I was doing a PBS made for TV
movie down in Atlanta, and I was staying at the
hotel called the Mansion, which was fairly new at that point,
where you had butler's assigned to each room, and the
production assigned me a personal assistant because it have a
(03:00):
car to drive me and my wife and at that
point my fairly newborn son around. While I was down
in Atlanta, and he told me that he wanted to
be a casting director, and he said if there was
something that he was casting because he was a fan
of mine from the Wire, would I do it? And
(03:21):
I said yes, And then I get a call from
him one day saying yea, he casting Team Wolf. So
then so then casting Garthy called me up and asked
me if I'd be interested in um coming in. And
then he called me later on that day and said
that M. Jeff Davis, who was a fan of mine
(03:41):
from the Wire, just wanted to offer me the role. Wow,
see you audition, but not really are you never even
audition never even auditioned. No, No, it was one of
those oh I know this guy. Oh I like that guy.
Oh well, let's use this guy. And that's how amazing.
Well I'm a big fan, so Ellis Carver means a
(04:02):
lot to me. And I remember when when you came
on the show. It's like, oh my gosh, guys, we're
getting insane actors. This is amazing. I just got so tickled.
And we'll get to that at the end, because you've
had three really really long runs and then there's also
obviously odds too, so I have a ton of questions
about your other work and including Okay, So we start
(04:27):
in Alison's car for episode eleven Formality, and she's driving
home and she's having these flashbacks that Aunt Kate just
showed her Derek chained up on the wall, and she
is having these kind of blank out moments when you're
driving but you don't realize you're driving, and she kind
of comes to and realizes that the sheriff's behind her
wants to pull her over, and he's trying just to
(04:48):
give her a warning, and she's like, no, no, give
me a ticket. This isn't who I am, you should
give me a ticket, And it then cuts to you know,
Allison practicing her crossbow and her shooting, and there's a
picture on the target and it is none other than
Derek Kale And that's when we cut two. And I
loved you in this episode. It was hard to decide
which episode if you were willing to come on, and
(05:10):
we were so honored to have you that which episode
do we choose? But I really loved you in episode
eleven because the next scene is the animal clinic. In
this episode where Scott wakes up and I love on
teen Wolf, they start with really fun inserts, and so
it was that overhead light that sort of blinks on.
Do you remember do you remember watching that scene? Did
you watch the episodes back? How have you viewed Teen
(05:33):
Wolf so far? I watched them when they first when
they first came on at the same time that everyone
else is watching them, and I watched them in the
real time. I haven't revisited the show in quite a while, yeah, um,
in some years. Yeah. I started to about a month
before we did the movie because I wanted to remind
(05:54):
myself of you know, the tone and tamber and all
that kind of thing, but I didn't get very far.
I think I got like three episodes in and then
life that's that was your first episode? Yes, three episodes
that Yes? Um well, I love the scene that you
open up with because it's showing way more of your
cards than you had shown so far in the season.
(06:16):
Was that you you know in the previous episode in
episode ten, it shows something along the lines of like, hey,
I don't just deal with human I mean just with
normal animals the ninety percent of my cases or cats
and dogs. And in this episode you come face to
face with Peter Hale. Was that your first scene with
Ian Bowen from from your recollection? Yes, yes it was. Yes?
(06:39):
What was it quite fun playing together? Do you have
any memories of that scene? It's so funny. He reminds
me so much of like a nineteen forties movie villain.
His style is so old school kind of you see
him you know this, Yeah, you know what I mean,
on the wall type of type of screen chewing acting.
(07:02):
Um so, So I loved working with Ian on that. Yeah.
I loved when you know, he's very animated in that
scene and you were just dead pan right at him
and uh and when you threw and he throws the chair.
Was the chair not flinch? Yeah, it was a stunt drop.
I mean they were throwing things against the wall, you know.
(07:23):
But the whole idea is that Deaton is fortified. He's
got the mountain ash around the thing. He also knows
how that he knows his wear around and Werewolf or two.
Do you know what a scene like it was yesterday? Yes,
And he's not going to be intimidated. And and also
I thought it was a good contrast to what Ian
was doing. You know, did you see on the day, like,
(07:44):
do you remember if they did his coverage first? You
were watching it and you're like, okay, and you've seen
enough of the other I got the feeling that they
mostly did everyone's coverage before they did my coverage. I
tended to work really fast. Ye back then I kind
of prided myself on two chains and you're out, you know,
so um remember that. So it seemed it seemed better
(08:06):
to get everybody else's coverage before mine because they could
try a lot of different things. Because you know, I
made two choices, and that's what I was going with.
I love that. I love that they trusted you. You know, yeah,
I love you yeah, yeah, they did at that point
and continue to do so, and so um. You know,
I it's always exciting for me for my same partners
(08:28):
to give them as many options to do as many
different thinks on it as they have. You know, if
they've got five choices, I'm like, let's do all five,
you know, just I'll give you the same stuff for
each one, and we'll see what goes better chemistry wise,
what fits. That's the way I kind of kind of
like to do it. The directors necessarily don't necessarily care
(08:50):
for that, you know. They kind of want to get
They have a lot of things to get done in
the day, you know, and I want to spend time
messing around. I think it's nice if you have have
five different takes. But I love that Deton was just
so about business and had no fear in that is
very clear that like do you and your mind have
(09:11):
you know, they had many inner passings before, have they
have they been kicking around Beacon Hills and you in
your mind did you think you already knew each other?
You know? And in my mind was kind of thing
where I'd heard of him but not had This is
where I was going with it. But now I had
a face to face confrontation with him, you know first, Yeah, yeah,
and uh and I also at the time, I was
(09:33):
also thinking, you know, if you've got a wild animal,
you don't go given a lot of you don't do
a lot. True, that's so true. You're very still. Yeah,
you're very still so as not to set it off.
Oh that's such a good thing. I didn't think about that. Yeah,
I could tell both stories. One that he was unafraid,
it had nothing to fear, and another was that he
(09:54):
was recognizing it's a very dangerous creature. And you know
how I could have mess around, kick jumping around him
because God knows what he'll do to you or try to, right,
I didn't even think. I just saw Cocaine Bear for
the first time. Oh yeah, have you seen it yet?
It's quite silly. It's love Elizabeth Thanks directed it, and
it's got a great tone of just a wild, weird,
(10:18):
bizarre tone to the movie. In the best way possible.
It's like nineteen eighties, all the tropes of like the
fun eighties, silliness, um, the outfits, the somewhat of the
you know, the banter, but that it's it's a comedy
but it's also a slash or horror. Um it's it's. Yeah,
(10:38):
it's a really fun very much suspended in reality, very slightly.
If you blink, you miss the true story part of it. Um.
So it's it's but it's it is based on is
a real thing that happens. So it's pretty crazy that happened.
Um But anyhow, so, yeah, I did even think about that. Yeah,
the stillness of the animal such a smart perspective to
take on it. Yeah, that's why they that's why they
(11:01):
hired you. The next scenes, at Scott's house, he's looking
for his phone and sounds like, you know what, I'll
buy a new one. Derek took it spoil alert and
his styles reminds him that, you know, Derek tried to
(11:21):
kill him, and Scott's like, you know, he wasn't trying
to kill anybody. But he hears a noise and it
turns out it's his mom on the phone because he's
having that supersonic hearing and his mom was nervous about
the fallout from the date with good old Peter Hale
and you know, feeling that just Scott seeing a different
side of his arm of being um, just dating and
(11:43):
a little on her heels exactly exactly, because I remember
seeing my mom going on dates like growing up once
it hears divorced, and so I remember, like for the
first time, feeling that like, oh, Mom's a human as
an adult, like and that was that first time that
Scott's you know, well this second time, I guess you know,
the first one was when Peter picture of the house.
(12:04):
But but yeah, just feeling that that sense of failure
from his mom that his mom felt data. Yeah. No, Uh,
my past divorce with my mother had pretty much a
long term boyfriend after that, so I didn't see many
instances of her you know, that kind of nervous unsurety, Yeah,
that adults have that they rarely show kids, you know,
(12:28):
Um totally, So I didn't get that kind of insight
into my mom and would have been an insight into
into her to see her in that in that state
of being and that that frame of mind. But uh,
I didn't really, I didn't really get to experience that
I had. I had the opposite thing of the boyfriend,
um really going overboard to try to make me feel
(12:49):
comfortable whenever he was around. Yeah, you know, and approve
and approve of him. You know, well, hopefully you have
some good memories of Yeah, take him taking you out
and showing you all kinds of New York. I've got
some great memories. He's the reason why I'm a Mets
fan because he took first baseball games. Did you and
(13:12):
Dylan bond over that? I'm sure at some point we did.
Bothered over that, we did. We had some we had
some long Mets conversations actually, um, and you know, and
we're a generation apart essentially, so it was kind of
different players of who who was doing what was Were
you teaching him about the previous players or did he
know your players? He knew my players, and he was
(13:33):
teaching me more about the younger players. Oh really, Yeah,
he's a he's a ridiculous Mets fan. Oh, yes he is.
And he's got a whip of a memory man that
he's at Rolodex. Yeah, he's a Mets historian. Yeah. Oh,
they should have like a plaque of Dylan O'Brien just
and all the other mega fans of the Mets. I
thought where he got to throw out a first pitch
(13:55):
at some home? Did he? Oh that's really exciting for him,
that's amazing. That's amazing. And then and then did he
take you? Did your step to take or mom's boyfriend
take you to any plays? Or is that? Did that
bugs start differently? That was? That was my grandmother and
my mother mostly taking me to theater. Yeah, my grandmother
took me to movies and plays, and my mother would
(14:18):
tag along, and her boyfriend Jean took me to other
sporting events. So this is all in New York. This
is all in New York. You got to see New
York in so many phases. I did got your life. Yeah,
I got the early seventies when I was a kid,
all the way through to the twenty eighth century New
(14:38):
York city I live in. Now. Do you do you
keep your playbills from your plays and your do you
like musicals? Plays? Both? Like what's your what's your? Jan?
I prefer, I prefer, but the same way I enjoyed musicals.
Strangely enough, I'm not a Disney musical person, and they
seem to be lots of Disney musical but but for
(15:00):
some reason I am I wasn't really into Disney cartoons,
so I never never really made the transition into Disney
musicals right right as a kid, I liked other kinds
of cartoons, which which led me to more violent fair
you know. You know, as cartoons, you're not the first
(15:22):
boy or even the first person, you know. I tell
myself I would be broke if I lived in New
York City because I there's not a budget, really, very
very a very faint idea of a budget to the
extent where like I'll I will, I will make heavy
sacrifices elsewhere in my life for that month if I
can go see my plays. I totally get that I'm
(15:46):
going to place here. For years, there was a little
time when I was in college and I was short
on funds where we used to second act plays. Do
you know what second act do? You only go for
the second act? Yeah. You go to Broadway Way for
the shows to let out, and people come out and
some of them drop their ticket stop to whatever. People
who were walking out on the player who were leaving
(16:07):
usually old, older people who you know, have to get
back to wherever you know they're coming in from before,
like the rush hour crowd. Yeah, which they'd be in
danger of traveling along with. So they leave the show,
leave the matinee, take the ticket, you go sit in
their seat and wants the second half. That is, so
(16:27):
you only thought you never got to see the first half.
You're like, well, I'll figure out what happened. No, I'm
still waiting to see what the first act of Burn
This would be, like David Member, I think it was
a David play. I would to see it with Madonna
three times a second act that that played. Wait, Madonna
was in Burn This Mananna was in the original cast
(16:48):
of Burn This. God, there's so much I want to
pick your brain about about play. That's a whole different podcast. Yeah,
Mistakes Were Made was my first one I saw when
we were there for the upfronts of the Teen Wolf
and Michael Shannon was a ninety minute monologue, one man show,
and I waited afterwards because I was such a fan
of his from Take Shelter and June Bug, and he
(17:11):
was just coming on a boardwalk Empire where a bunch
of people wanted to see him. Because of that, I
was like, get out of the way, people. I've been
a fan a lot longer, and this one group of
guys just would not leave him. And I'm I never
the person that wants to meet anybody because there's really
not really a big connection for me as far as
like the work to their real life. But for some reason,
I was fan girling out on Michael Shannon and I
(17:32):
waited and so awkwardly my friends like let's just go.
I'm like, please, No, we have to stay and waiting
for this group of guys to shut shut their yappers
about about Boardwalk Empire so that I could meet him,
and he sure enough. You know, it was so kind.
He's like, well, what are you doing here if you're
an actor? And I was like, well, I'm here for
this upfront. He's like, okay, that's a big deal. And
he like really took an interest in teen Wolf, wanted
(17:53):
to know the synopsis, wanted to see who you know
created it, and she was just very quiz about it.
And I know he did that for my benefit and
not his, and so that was very sweet of him.
Um well generous, Yeah, very generous. That was my first
New York fancy play. I got to go spend money
on it and did not disappoint. So I'm glad you
had that experience with it. Yeah, yeah, it was great.
(18:15):
But uh but yeah, do you have a favorite play,
top three that you've seen over time? You want to see.
You want to see the first actor burn this that's
on the list. I want to see the first actor
furn list. Yeah, you know when I was, when I
was studying acting, Uh, you know, most of the days
before I started trying to pursue a career, I always
(18:38):
wanted to see and I love this movie with Elizabeth
Taylor and Richard Burton, But I've always wanted to see
a live production of Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf. Yeah.
I know it's like a classic, and I haven't read
it in years. I don't know if how it would
hold up or not, but I just remember being kind
of traumatized by the last couple of lines, and you know,
(19:00):
he was afraid of Virginia Wolf. I am George. I
am George, and it just really kind of bottomed me out.
So I'd love to go to a theater and see
some company to a production of that. I remember hearing
about it. I don't know about the center or eight
years ago, and I didn't get a chance to see it.
And uh, I saw that movie for the first time
at the New Beverly that Quentin Tarantino owns. And I
(19:23):
have a friend that takes me to old movies. My
friend Joel Michaeli and he took me to Anti Mame
where everybody dresses up as Anti Mame at the New Beverage.
Yes in Los Angeles, Guys, it's on so usually Wednesday
is between either two or three o'clock. They play an
old movie and it's really fun. There's like a bunch
of like cinephiles around LA that like really take it
really seriously, so it's really quite fun to watch. But
(19:45):
that's that was the first time I saw that movie.
I love the old movies. I love getting a sense
of what the style was, you know, what the acting
style was, clothing, what they were speaking about, what the
issues of the day were, you know. Yeah, and it's
always kind of like a little time capsule. Society was, well, yeah,
(20:06):
what the error was. Well, it's it's this is definitely
my biggest play play a talk but uh, I know,
it's just I had to. I had to pick your
brain because it's, uh, it's something so fun to to
talk to you about, especially coming from New York. So
the next scene, guys, is basement with Derek where Kate
he still has obviously Derek tied up and Kate's saying,
(20:26):
you know that Derek killed his sister, and Derek's asks
if she's gonna torture him, and she says, no, I
just want to catch up and she's just saying her
to remember all the fun we had together and Derek,
you know, they always have this very odd banter when
Derrett's like, oh the fun, like you know, when you
burn my family alive, and she says, you know, she
just loves how much he hates her, and she doesn't
want to torture him. And the door opens and there's
(20:49):
a man and Kate says, but he does, and then
it goes to Alison's roof for Scott is watching Alison's
sleep and he's having hard time keeping his eyes open
and he falls off the roof to cut to the
locker room, where there's this big scene that Scott's family
a bunch of classes, so they were going to kick
him off the lacrosse team and coach Finn Stock puts
(21:09):
a stop to that because that's now a star player
and says, listen, he won't go to the formal so uh,
Scott basically says, okay, well I quit the team and
he's like, that's not an option I'll pull your teeth
out if you try to do that. Or and he
always had quite a lot of fun. I love that
he uh was just had no idea how a script
work worked. And he I was gonna say that didn't
he read the scripts or did they just give him
(21:31):
he did? Right? You go, He's like, so, what's what's
going on this episode? Uh? He is just a funny,
funny guy. Man, He's hilarious. So, um, Scott goes to
Jackson and says, listen, you gotta take Alison to the dance.
He better just do it as friends. Come on, you
know you're her friend too. Um, you guys have spent
(21:52):
a lot of time together when you're trying to get
to me, and Jackson's like nah basically, and um, styles
like let's try to say your life and he's just
not having it. Jackson walks off and Scott's like, hey,
one more thing and turns the eyes yellow. And I
think it's always fun when we play these gags where
it cuts to straight too Jackson being terrified of the
(22:14):
yellow eyes to a sweating face locker clothes. Hey, let's
go to the dance with me. You know, there's a
lot of these like fun little gags that Team Wolf
always played into. UM that I think I think that
the fans, the fans really enjoyed and made teen Wolf
um a bit different than the other Supernatural shows for
its time. And then we're at the mall and that's
(22:35):
a fun scene. I do remember that the mall was
at night and it was closed. Um, South, I know
you were not in this scene. Have you ever have
you ever shot at a at a mall at night
or store at night. I've not shot at the mall
at night. I did do a convention in a mall
that was closed for the weekend. That's crazy, that's fun.
So that was kind of kind of weird. It felt
(22:58):
a bit like being at in some like post apocalyptic center. Right.
Everything is there, but the people are gone, right. I
did I one convention at only one mall once and
it was during what it was open, and I was
so excited because there was a it was, oh my gosh,
where was I was at San Francisco or Seattle. There
(23:19):
was Seattle where there was a handmade pulled noodles and
it was like a mom and pop that had rented
out one of the kiosks at the food court and
it was like a site TBC. I mean it was
like people flocked to this one kiosk at the food court,
and I thought it was so smart of them because
it's cheaper than a strip mall, and it's like, if
you can build a good reputation, and everything else was changed,
(23:42):
it was like Panic Express and it's sabarrow but but but, um,
just this one kiosk and it's some of the best
pulled noodles, like Chelsea Market style, like good pulled noodles. Yeah, yeah,
that's so. That's that's my that's my mall convention story.
But uh yeah, shooting the mall at night was fun.
I remember Macy's has sponsored us, and it was a
(24:02):
very big deal of what color I'm gonna wear and
what color Crystal's gonna wear. It was a very big deal,
and so they decided she's good, the Brunette's gonna wear silver,
and the Redhead's gonna wear um kind of goldish color.
And at first it is too similar. I mean, the
conversations that go on behind the scenes that have nothing
to do with acting or directed it's it's quite funny. Um,
(24:26):
the marketing behind and you know how many hats are
in the room about you know, from Macy's being like,
we really want these brands pushed, not these brands. I mean,
I actually haven't told this story. I don't think ever. Yeah,
it was just a very funny story about this. It's
like this is a TV series, not of intial life.
Oh but we had we had no money, so any
(24:48):
money they were gonna give us, We're like, we will
fit all of that in that episode. Yes we will
for that product placement. Um. But I remember being like
it was, yeah, it was. I remember we had an
escalator scenes like when you you know, you cut the
escalator scene, you got to go around and come back down,
come back up, like there's no shortcut to get back there.
You know. It's the setups were quite funny, and it's like,
(25:10):
why don't we put this damn scene on the escalator, um,
something along the lines of that. Yeah, but because the
edged stairs are never anywhere near the escalator as never, no,
absolutely not absolute. Um. So yeah, that was I do
wonder in like, you know, thirty years, our department store
is gonna be a thing in the past, and you
(25:30):
know all those floors of like makeups on this always
on the lower level like with shoes and you know,
but um, yeah, it's just how this show will age,
will be interesting. But so yeah, so that's Peter shows
up at the mall says, you know that's not her color.
The Macy's executives worth that imperfectly to steer her towards
another color, And um, you know, I'm piling all the
dresses on styles and building our our character banter back
(25:54):
and forth in season one. Um, but um, you know
Peter did Warren. He's gonna go after the more innocent
and you're scene if you're not going to give up Scott,
so uh yep, yep. So we're going into Scott's bedroom
and Scott's getting ready for the formal and his mom's like,
you know, it does get better, and he's like, I
don't want it to get better, Like she's the one
for me. M Jackson and his alcoholism in the car
(26:17):
as she's like, you know, sucking down the flask for
for the formal and she Alice's like, you don't want
to be a little sober and he's like, no, I
don't remember this. She's like, well, I want to remember
a little maybe, but the formal was quite fun. I
do wish she were there because Russell was having a
blast with all of his cranes. It was like the
first one of the bigger stories. Yeah. And then we
(26:37):
had a band from New Zealand called Kids of eighty
eight and they actually ended up coming into town where
I took them to a party that was our first
party and about one of our only parties really publicly
with Nylon magazine and we did a Nylon shoot with
for them, and so I got to take the New
Zealand the Kiwi band into the the party and I
(27:00):
remember they were they were nine people in their group
and I had to call Perez Hilton out of all people,
I did not know him, but someone's like, you know,
Perez can get them in. Because I was like, hey, guys,
I call my agency. Can I get a plus nine
to the Nylon party. They're like, no, that's absolutely And
I don't know. And I got my makeup done at
(27:20):
the Bobby Brown counter and they gave me massive eyebrows.
It was so bad. And I'm on my first one
of my first big red carpets with these massive eyebrows
and I didn't have enough money to get my makeup done.
So you're the trick of the actors back in the
day as you go buy one product, like a cheap product,
like a lip gloss, but if you buy a product
at the makeup counter, they have to do your whole
(27:41):
makeup if you ask, I don't know if you knew this?
Did you know this? I did not know that that's
good today. This was like the old school tricks back
in the day. And so you'd buy like a twelve
dollars lip gloss, like are you I'm like can I can?
I just see like how what this color looks like
eyebrows and you get your whole face done like the
three treatment flight twelve boys. That's what I did for
the Nyland party that I took kids of eighty eight
(28:03):
two that they were in town for like one day.
So anyway, so the formal was quite a long night.
I think it was a couple of nights that we
ended up filming that. We also didn't pay the light
bill accidentally in this episode, and those lights got carted
off on the formal day that we had to wait
eleven hours to get them back, so we were all
(28:23):
in overtime. Oh wow, As Posey says, there's I always
mentioned smartlest This is my favorite podcast. They have this.
Uh when they talk about the business, they're layment, they
you know, for to describe certain terms. They'll say, oh,
Sean's aunt Tracy in Maryland or Wisconsin, that's where it is.
And uh so I was gonna use Tracy and Wisconsin,
and Tyler goes, no, no, no, we should use Kimberly
(28:44):
and Michigan. So Kimberly and Michigan. You know, overtime is
you work more than twelve and a half hours. It's
a twelve hour day plus lunch ascentiallyfts, assuming of a
half hour lunch, and then you go in overtime and
that's when our overtime starts as actors. And um, yeah,
we were in overtime before like really the day started.
It was pretty nuts and yeah, and some mistake hap
(29:05):
I don't know what happened if we did pay it,
but they didn't think we did, so they carted off
all the lights. It was like being evicted on our
own set. Yeah, that's the true story, guys. Um, wow,
there was a mix up of some sort and um
and yeah, and so everyone's just kicking it on the
playground and that's when we got to know the band.
That's why they contacted me when they got right. Yeah,
(29:26):
so fun stories behind the episode of formality. There's some
fun stuff where you know, Scott sneaks into the formal.
He endn't getting to dance with Allison um Styles and
I have a really fun moment where he's like, get
your cute butt up and you know, I know you're
gonna doin a Nobel Prize. I'm the one who knows
how smarts you are. And and there was a Fields Medal.
Um I said, well, you don't win the Nobel Prize
(29:46):
from mathematics, that's the Fields Medal. And that was like
one of our first bonding moments. Um So, I know
the fans loved, loved that line. But outside the formal,
Jackson gets drunk and is looking into the woods. He's
these two red eyes. It turn is that the way
actually lasers that are coming up with argents, the argents
and saying like well you know, Jackson's like, hey, I
(30:07):
want you to make me what you are. And so
when they come out with the lasers like well you're
not our guy, but we think we know your guy,
so you're gonna help us. But the scene basically ends
with um Styles running out to get Jackson. I'm now
looking for Jackson and I walk out to the field
where Peter Hale comes out and bites me and they
(30:27):
styles in him one off. There was always a lot
of shadowing on Teen Wolf. Um what what stuck out
to you? Was it like the lighting? Was it the
camera shots? Like what made you faun of the show
and watching episodes on a continuous basis, It to me
it was the characters. There was the interplay. It was
the interplay in the chemistry of the characters. Really, Um,
(30:51):
I'm not a big supernatural guy. We're horror guy. Interestingly enough,
I likewise, yeah, so, um so I've never never really
didn't wanted to follow what the you know what, what
what the structure of the genre was all about. But
(31:12):
I one thing I do recall is that or I did.
I don't recall much humor in supernatural stuff. And there
was a lot of one lighter quick off what they
just say humor things in the Team Wolf that I
really liked about it that I think set it apart
(31:34):
from all that those other shows in the genre, absolutely
in reading had a tongue in cheek, but not just
tongue in cheek is kind of simple humor, but it
had a tongue like a forked tongue in tee in cheek.
Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah, totally sharp, sharp puncture,
(31:56):
totally so. So that's so that's what got me. It
was the performances and the interaction between the characters. I
always thought the characters really fun. And it's only going
back this time watching the show that I'm like, God,
the you know, like I said, when I watch for
different perspectives, it was like the amount of inserts that
they use really was an interesting way to tell a story,
(32:19):
and it's one that sets it apart from stage. Was
because as a director, I truly do feel more of
a puzzle piece. I'm a puzzle piece, you know. It's
it's I have to fit in to the story as
an actor, and depending on how they shoot that, there's
so many different tones that they can capture and how
(32:40):
they edit it obviously, and I find that really fun
and daunting. I don't know if I could ever direct,
because that just sounds so daunting to me of what's
the right way to tell it. But I always thought
I always appreciated how teen Wolf absolutely had the tongue
in cheek, very much different than every other supernatural Sean
TV at the time. Yeah, and it was very like
(33:02):
when Stranger Things came out. Stranger Things reminded me so
much a Teen Wolf and yeah, yeah, and I thought
the one regret I have that I asked Jeff and
he's like, Holland Money. I wish we went full eighties
Like I wish we had Benched an eighties show. I
think that would have captured a lot of people's hearts.
They don't necessarily really would have. Yeah, do you remember
(33:25):
the first person you met on Teen Wolf? Was the
first person that I met? Yeah, I think it was
Tyler Posey, was it? Yeah, when Tyler Posey, I mean
after Jeff Davis put as far as the cast goes,
and yeah, okay, it's interesting. Huh uh. I remember thinking,
(33:46):
this kid has a lot of energy. I mean, do
you remember the bart jokes up until actually, oh my god,
left and right, him and Dylan farting all over each other,
farting all over each other. What are you? First of all,
are you eating? They weren't eating anything. He would order
a whole pizza and wings. Yeah, not at crafty, like
(34:09):
just calling delivery because they didn't have you know, food
delivery at the time. But it was just yeah, it
was he he ate more than any other human I've
ever seen eat to have apps. I was like, where
where is the professional athletes? Literally like these kids and
they were parkouring, like jumping off the trailer walls literally,
(34:29):
and I know, I was like, thank god producers are
not at base camp right now because I'm sister, like, yeah,
please don't get hurt. Episodes. Yeah, they're just a funny bunch. Um,
So yeah, there was fun stuff that went on a
base camp. Like I remember it was so hot one
day in LA that we put a baby pool out
(34:50):
in base camp in season three. Um, but you know,
always shenanigans on this show man, it was. It was
a fun set to work on. Do you remember that.
You remember I remember thinking these guys keep me young,
you know, because the energy was just such And I
also remember the lack of ego from anyone. But you know,
(35:13):
it's weird. You get you know, you run into young
actors and they're either just so full of themselves it's
really it's gross, or they're so clueless that you're afraid
you won't be able to get a performance out of it. Yea,
you know, they're just so happy to be there and
just the coolest. But but these guys had the right
kind of mixture of both, like, I know, I'm here,
(35:34):
it's a job, but at the same time, you know,
I'm I'm not thirty yet, and I'm not going to
act like I'm forty. They were eighteen fifty. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like I'm still I'm still a kid, and I'm
going to enjoy myself because that's what life is about
for me. So I always felt like, you know, they
kept me young. They It's such a good way to
say that too, Like that hasn't really been brought up before.
(35:57):
I mean, obviously we've all I can speak to from
personal experience in Hollywood of seeing like really full of
themselves young people uma, and it's I can't imagine what
you've seen. It is. It is very depress and scary. Yeah,
it's depressing because it's like, oh, these are the people
you're hiring. Oh, you're gonna set the whole like, you know,
the whole generation back and the whole company of that
(36:20):
of that show, that whole business is waiting. That's the foundation,
you know, from a public stand standpoint, and so the
face of it and so um no, it was very
much a roll your sleeves up kind of show. And
I think between like how much water was involved and
cold temperature, freezing temperatures at night. Um we had to
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keep them morale high and they did a really good
job of just like the silliness invigorated everybody who did it.
It really did it, and it helped. It helped for
the sense of play, you know that you have to
have when you're acting. You have to have a sense
of like trying to thinking. It was Brian Cox or
Alan Comming. I think it was Alan Cummings the other
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day that I heard this quite He's like, it's play.
We pretend that. He's like, I I just get up
and play. He's like, that's what I do for a living. Yeah,
He's it's not a process. He's like, it's just a play.
It's a play. They call it a play. They don't
call it a work. You know, it's a a work. Bye.
But when it comes down to it, it's a play. Storry, Yeah, Yeah,
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how is the Wire? How is Oz? How is Walking Dead?
Super Troopers? Like you are a bit a part of
so many iconic shows and movies like what what are
your favorite jobs? Would you get recognized the most from?
Recognize the most of these days from a cross between
The Walking Dead and The Wire. Um, I have a
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lot of generational fans from Starship Troopers because I guess
a lot of kids because there was a nude shower
scene in it that wasn't a sex scene, but it
made it like a g rating or or something like that.
So you know, I get lots of kids who were
like twelve when they saw it come up to me.
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You know, who are adults now because the movie is
like twenty years old or twenty one years old, but yeah,
they're walking dead in the Wire is mostly when I
get recognized for hardcore criminals and cops recognize me from OZ.
Did you ever get to talk about the ends that
have come up to that? Hop? Done time? Do they
open up about that? Yeah? They do, they do for
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the most part. They're happened to be out for one
and being able to have a conversation about it. And
its strangely enough, OZ was one of those shows you
know in the person you get to watch TV for
an hour or a week or something like that and
it's got to be a communal thing, and they usually
have something like a sporting event or something like that
that they can watch. But I've talked to three different
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um people who've done time who said that they were
shown OZ and I'm like, that's weird. The one show
you get a week, Yeah, would be a show that's
you know, a reflection of had tapes and yeah, that's
that's all. It's almost form of punishment in a weird way,
(39:21):
you know, to to to you're but I guess it's
kind of like people watching reality shows. You know, Yes,
it's cathartic on Sunday level. Yeah, but they like, they
clearly liked. I mean, it's a great show, so it's like,
you know, I'm sure they enjoyed it. Ever done anything
in a person? Have you ever gotten to a president?
And like, no, only asylums, A lot of asylums, um
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and like nineteen fifty abandoned. I worked in a one
asylum that was super long building in Connecticut and will Amantic,
Connecticut was one of the I call it my movie
jail job actually because it was the first season after
I don't even think it was the first season after
Team I think it was after the pilot p sentation
where we got picked up that that may So it
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was that summer before we started to go to shoot
the first season in October of two thousand and ten.
And um, I just wanted to do that. I liked
it because, um, the spirit inhabits your body and you
got to play like as this young girlfriend girl I
would play. The previous tenants of the asylum building would
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inhabit me. So I was like that, what a fun
What a fun thing to play. But yeah, a terrible production.
And I could say that now wholeheartedly. I have no
shame about it, and I'm not going to pretend it's
something it's not. And you know, the people involved were
just not very that the cast was professional. They cast
(40:44):
a real cast. I don't know how. I think it
was with a lot of money, but we were not
paid a lot of money. But the guy was a
computer developer wanting to become a director. He knew nothing
about He kept doing these masters and um, and I
would be like, do you do you want to get
coverage or a lot of us would coverage huh, you
(41:04):
know coverage And he's like, guys, we're gonna get some coverage.
And I mean it was bad. It was really and
my team tried to warn me, don't go do this.
You're not gonna make any money. This is not gonna
go and I was like, I don't care. I want
to go. Yeah out And the cast had a lot
of fun, but it was really stressful. The crew wasn't
treated very well. They were like working at CVS part time,
and then we were doing these night shoots at night
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and they were sleeping on mattresses and a bit. It
was a very bizarre experience. But this was where I
shot at this that asylum with this long building and
we were shooting in one wing of it, and they said,
don't go to the other winging, so what do we do?
Of course, on our lunch break, like, let's go to
the other wing. And the lead paints like coming off
the walls and it was the most and all the
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cells were like it was it looked like a prison,
but it was technically it was like a nineteen forties
or fifties, you know, far banded asylum that you know
very much embodied a prison back then. Um with the
treatments that they were doing and um, yeah, it was
interesting variance, but that's the closest I've actually never been
to a prison. I mean I was going to ask
you for your researcher for the wire, did you Yes,
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I did not. I did a couple of play readings,
um for prisoners who brought to a particular place, and
they were the I'd say, I have to say, they're
some of the best audiences all right, I mean, hanging
on every word, doing the bad guy, cheering for the
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good guy present there. Yeah, when you're deprived of certain
things we take for granted and interactions day to day,
then they live for storytelling. I could see that. Yeah, yeah,
totally total. It's just the human spirit. Yeah, it's weird.
It's like either high school kids at early morning productions. Um.
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I remember I was doing The Maids um by Jean Jennet,
which is at the Classic Stage Company here in New York.
It was on thirteenth and Third Avenue. I think it
might be called something else now, but it might still
be Classic Stage Company. But The Maids is by Jennet
is played by three men, two men dressed up as
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two women. And and then there's the Madame, who was
a woman who was being played by a man. So
you've got three men playing women and dressing up as women,
and I played the madame. So I come in at
one point, might make my big entrance, and I was.
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I was so terrified to do it because the kids
were so loud. This was a ten am performance or
a bunch of sophomores and juniors in high school. And
I was wearing a thong and a third cape and
six inch heels and nothing else. First time in your
first time in six inch heels this production. Yes, first
time in six inches and I had to I'm down
(44:00):
a stairwell. Stairwell that must have been a ninety degree angle.
Welcome to night for most women. Yeah, staircase is literally
at such more of an appreciation because I come to
the top of the stairwell, I dropped the cape and
then walked down the phase and these kids must have
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hooted and hollered for about five minutes. Streight's amazing. I
got down to the deck to the stage and I
had to hold for five minutes. We do these. We
were doing these talkbacks after the show to see, you know,
what they thought. And Peter Francis, James and Charles Bush
and I were in the cast and we came out
(44:45):
to do the talk back, and they were hooting and
hollering about, you know, the cross dressing. Yeah, cross dressing
was just crazy to them. And Peter Francis James said,
We'll let me put it to you this way. How
many any of you are taking biology? All taking biology?
What makes up a man and what makes up a woman?
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You have an X X chromosome makes a woman, X
Y chromosome makes a man. So that means that every
man is at least half a woman. Drop off. Hilarious.
That's a great response. Oh that's so they fell out.
That's so funny. That's such a great story. I love that. Yeah,
(45:28):
what's next for what's next for you right now? Do
you have any stage coming up and doing some kind
of podcast zoom series of love, Labor, Loss starting Shakespeare
starting next week, I believe um. And then I and
then I go off to Boston to do another horror film.
(45:50):
I don't know what the deal is with the horror
and the supernatural, but once we get in there, it's
like a it's like a it's like a it's a
tattoo stamp to our fourheads. Yeah, yeah, well, you know,
I think it's really fun because I'm not traditionally a
horror person. I'm a sci fi I love like Contact
or Gattica like I am. I love space, travel time
and travel different interstellar gravity like I am. I am there. Yeah, yes, exactly. Yeah,
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even even cocaine beart. You know, it's it's at least
has a fresh idea of like, hey, let's tell a
movie like this, let's tell a true story. It's gonna
be a comedy, but it's also got to grab you
and and I think teen Wolf also, Jeff had the
foresight to put a lot of those kind of you know,
oil and water ideas back in the day, which which
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made it really fun. Oh, I could pick your brain
for hours about plays. Let's learn with your top three
favorite restaurants in New York. Do you eat out a lot?
Either outer or not? Not something I do, but I
eat out, but I eat it the same a few places.
I like sushi. I love my sushi. I love Chinese
food and pizza. You know, you're such a New Yorker man,
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I'm assuming you couldn't. You could never do la long term.
I tried. It's not for me. Yeah, no, I get it.
Get Crystal Krstal moved in New York a couple years ago.
Oh yeah yeah, she says she can't go back either. Well,
thank you, honey for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you, Holland,
it's great to see you. Take care you too, honey.
Bye bye. Thanks for listening, y'all. Follow us on Instagram
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