Special episode popping into your feed today, live from Every Woman's Marathon, featuring Molly Huddle and Des Linden. Huddle's a 2x Olympian, and recently toed the line in Scottsdale for her first marathon since having her second child six months ago. Linden, the 2018 Boston Marathon Champion and fellow Olympian, recently ran the TCS New York City Marathon alongside first-timer Anthony Ramos.
In this conversation, Huddle and Linden get candid about the highs and lows of training and competing, offering advice on how to conquer big goals while remaining honest and compassionate with yourself.
In this episode, we discuss:
- Molly Huddle’s first marathon back postpartum
- Des Linden’s experience running the New York City Marathon alongside Anthony Ramos
- How to conquer the “pain cave” during a hard race
- The importance of self-compassion and being honest with yourself
- Mental strategies for running a marathon (staying present, embracing the challenge)
- The significance of celebrating the small wins
- Advice for first-time marathoners
- QUOTABLE MOMENTS
On Mental Toughness & The Pain Cave
- "You're stronger than you think." – Des Linden (as parting advice to the audience)
- "You didn't train so that this would be something easy. You trained so you'd be prepared for when it got difficult." – Des Linden
- "The best thing to do for that [the pain cave] is to just stay in the moment." – Molly Huddle
- "When you cross the finish line, you're going to just have that tool in your pocket of like, 'Look what I did, look what I can do.'" – Molly Huddle
On Strategy & Planning
- "I like to just think bottle to bottle ... you can pretend you're starting over again." – Molly Huddle
- "Stay here... You're strong... Hang on." – Molly Huddle
- "What can I get out of something that's not going my way?" – Des Linden
- "If it was easy, everyone would do it." – Emily Abbate
On Life, Balance, and Identity
- "This year I will have made a baby, ran a marathon, and I'm like writing a book. Like, what's wrong with me? Like, why am I feeling like that's not enough stuff?" – Molly Huddle
- "You put in work, and you stay committed, and have this self-belief, and if you keep looking forward, there's always things to tackle that are out in front of you." – Des Linden
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This year, I will have made a baby, ran a marathon,
and I'm like writing a book, Like what's wrong with me?
Like why am I feeling like that's.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Not enough stuff?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, Hey, Emily Baudi here pop it in with a
special bonus episode of Hurdle, a podcast where you'll get
the true stories and mindset lessons of the most inspiring
women in sports and wellness, empowering you to live a healthier, happier,
more motivated life and of course, conquer your own hurdles
along the way. This episode was recorded live at every
(00:44):
Woman's Marathon in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I am so excited
to bring it to the feed.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
For it, I am chatting.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
With Molly Huddle, her first ever appearance on the show.
A pro runner for Socany, Molly told the line of
every Woman's Marathon, checking off her first marathon since having
her second child just six months ago.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Wow wow wow Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Also a part of today's episode, Des Linden, a favorite
of many a past Hurdle guest. She is the twenty
eighteen at Boston Marathon champion, as well as co host
of Nobody Asked Us with Destin Kara along with Carrik Goucher.
So many things I could say and accolades I could
highlight about these women in this intro, but.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Want to keep things short and sweet.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
The conversation not just advice for aspiring marathoners, but also
so many outstanding takeaways on how to show up and
do hard things, self belief and the importance of being
honest with yourself, knowing when to pivot from a goal,
and how to talk to yourself with compassion. Make sure
you're following along with Hurdle over on social It's at
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Curdle podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I am over at Emily Abodi.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Make sure you're following iHeart Women's Sports as well over
at iHeart Women's Sports. And listen to Hurdle with Emily
Body on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you
get your podcasts. And with that, let's get to it.
Let's get to hurdling. Hello, Hello, Hey everyone. My name
(02:19):
is Emily A.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Body. I host a podcast called Hurdle.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I'm so excited to be here today with all of
you at the Every Woman's Marathon Expo. Show up hands
if you're running on Sunday, that's what we love to see. Well,
we are here to give you some inspiration. But before
we get into it, of course, I've got to introduce
these two rock stars next to me. First, up to
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my left, two time Olympian author podcaster Molly Huddle. Next
to Mollie des Lindon twenty eighteen Boston Marathon champion, also
an Olympian herself, author podcaster Mollie long overdue first appearance
(03:05):
on Hurdle Welcome, Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Thanks, so happy to finally be meeting you and talking
in person.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So happy to be finally meeting you and talking in person.
I always like to level set so everyone can be
on the same page as we get into this combo today.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
How are you doing really?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I just had my second baby six months ago, so
obviously very sleep deprived and doing a lot of just
baby schedule, breastfeeding, wrangling two kids, but managing to get
some runs in so I can feel sane.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Some runs in so I can feel sane.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And you also were just sharing with me backstage that
you took your first plane ride with your six month old.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yes, it went well. I was nervous about it, but
everything went smoothly. Just a lot of juggling back and
forth with my husband, but yeah, nobody pooped. Anywhere or
peed anywhere or head of tantrum. It was just chill,
So that was good.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
As long as all of the things are confined, it's
all good. It's all good. Does how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Really doing great?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I feel like the last time we had this question
answer scenario was in Boston before my final pro marathon,
So last time I was like, oh good, but I
was really sad. So yeah, I'm good now and feeling
relaxed and excited for an exciting weekend where I don't
have any nerves, but I'm like kind of anxious, nervous
(04:30):
for all of you, which will be a really fun
marathon on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Now, I don't know if I can ever actually trust
Dez ever again, because I woke up on that marathon
Monday and saw the news and thought, Wow, my buddy
just totally left me in the dark.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Wasn't cool? Wasn't cool? Never again? Never again? Never again?
I know.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Now, I'll hold you to that now, as you both said, obviously,
just had.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Your second baby.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Does transitioning out of pro marathoning big transitionary period for
both of you? How are you feeling getting back into
the swing of things?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Molly I'm feeling like I'm just trying to keep it
fun in what I can handle. I feel like physically
it's just a lot, like your energy is just kind
of gone. You're not sleeping a lot. Like I said,
the breastfeeding is just taxing. So I've been doing just
the training that makes me feel good and not to
the point where I'm like, you know, overdoing it and
feeling more tired and just not able to come home
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and take care of everyone like I have to. So
it's kind of a weird middle ground. But I feel
good with it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Feel like question mark, I think I feel okay, Am
I okay?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah? Are you okay? But things feel different? Yes, yeah,
things feel different.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'm not as fit as i'd like.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm not doing the level of workouts I'm used to,
but I think that's just where I'm at right now,
and I'd definitely rather be doing this than not doing
it at all.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
So what has been the most surprising thing for you
in this come back to running postpartum?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think, just like.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
When you have, yeah, an extra person to worry about, you,
just do you have that much less energy?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
And it just Yeah, I didn't think it could get
harder but it did.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
But it's a phase and I think it just will
get easier as the months go on and things are good.
It's just yeah, it's just it's like the physicality of
young kids is with a surprise to me, I guess.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Right, and a whole other training component to the training plan.
Of course, now does in your transition Obviously things will
look a little bit different for you now as you're
scaling up your mileage for different types of challenges.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Give us some insight into how things are.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Different now that you're not competing on that pro level.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's much more about what's fun,
what's interesting, what's going to motivate me, and just redefining that,
you know, I think for so long it was performance
and trying to push yourself and comparing yourself with the
best in the world, and you're always measuring and focusing
in on how can I be better? How can I
y at my best? And now it's like what is fun,
(07:02):
what's interesting? And I'm curious about the long distance, I'm
curious about the trail. Although I went on a really
good trail and run with somebodies after a wedding and
took it just a face plant, cracked my knee, So
maybe the trail doesn't love me back already.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I'm learning, but that's okay.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
I think the longer distances are intriguing and now I
feel like I need to go spend more time on
the trails to try and master it. And so it's
just what moves me at the moment, and I think
that that's a fun place to be. And instead of
you know, fine tuning and dialing everything into you know,
high performance and being very specific about.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That, finding the fun. We love that.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And you did find some fun recently in New York
City running the New York City Marathon alongside Hamilton's Anthony
Ramos Dez ran that marathon a bit slower than her
normal marathon, in four hours and forty four minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
The difference is there. Talk to me, is one harder
than the other?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Is it harder to run us up to thirty marathon
then a four forty four?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
They're very different.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I wouldn't say one is specifically harder than the other.
They're both very challenging. I wasn't planning on running the
full thing with Anthony. I was planning on doing the
fifty miler and then I had this knee thing pop up,
and I was gonna run like ten to twelve miles
with him. As we got closer to the race, I
realized that I was gonna kind of be leaving him
at a point where it starts to get hard, and
(08:27):
I was like, I don't really understand how the exit
strategy is gonna work.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Like, okay, I know.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
It's really tough, see you later, good luck, go get him.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
So I sort of wrapped my mind around the idea
that I would be in there all day, and then
it was just like, how can we make this fun?
I had a beer at one point, I brought him candy,
I brought a pen for him so he could sign autographs,
and it was great. It was just like four and
a half hours of all of us yelling like let's go,
(08:55):
and then the last you know, several minutes were me
yelling at him like you got this, you can do it,
stay strong. So it was very emotionally exhausting in a
way that you know, at sub two point thirty is
not just physically exhausting.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, I think there's probably some really applicable takeaways here
that we can use when we talk about the context
of what some of these women are going to be
doing on Sunday, Right, we know that you're going to
show up and you're going to be out there for
a while, and you're going to be doing a hard thing.
When you're in the pain cave, Molly, what comes to
mind for you? Do you have anything that you return
to time and time again? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think the best thing to do for that is
to just stay in the moment. I feel like a
lot of times you want to get out of that
moment and distract yourself. But whenever I think ahead to like,
oh I want this to be over, when will I
be at the end? I almost feel worse. So I
kind of just let it like flow through me, like
this is uncomfortable. I just kind of have to steep
in it. That's the challenge of the marathon. Make it,
my friend, it's very zen. You have to get zen
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about the marathon because it's like mentally, it's just it
can really be intimidating if you don't have like that
kind of approach of like I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
One with this race, this feeling is part of me.
It's okay, we're gonna do this, We're gonna get through this.
So that's been my.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Go to just kind of stay in the mile, stay
in that moment, run with your animal.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Brain, run with your animal brain.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You don't think, you just you're like a deer. You're
just like run, I just run.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Never have I ever heard this before, but I'm interested
in it. Okay, And so then let's take this a
step further. When you're out there and you're in the
pain cave and things aren't going as you'd hoped, that
definitely takes a little bit of mental gymnastics, as is
that something that you've dealt with before, and if so,
how did you learn from that experience?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
I mean, I think we all get really latched onto
our goals, and there's things that make us have to pivot.
Sometimes it's the weather. Sometimes it's the training block, going
not to plan. Sometimes it's in the moment where you
see your goals slipping away and you want to be like, well,
the goal's gone, so maybe I should just step off.
But I think that you can learn so much from
those moments and pushing through even when it's not going
your way, Like how can you pivot? How can you reevaluate?
(11:00):
How can you redefine what you want to get out
of a day.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And I think.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
That's really important for me as a performance athlete. It's
always like, Okay, this is not a good day. How
good can I make my bad day? You know, like
what can I get out of something that's not going
my way? And I think that's really applicable to like
life as a whole, Like what do I do when
things are stacked against me?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
How do I respond to when it's difficult?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
But I also think at the other side of where
I'm in my career now, it's like maybe it's just
going out and having a ton of fun, like high
five of your friends, help somebody out, make a friend
on their course. Like, there's all kinds of different pivots
to make it a positive, successful experience even though the
a goal slips away.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Molly, I know that you also have certainly had moments,
as we all have, where things haven't gone according to plan.
How have you been able to mentally rebound, either in
the heat of the moment during a race to get
the best out of that opportunity possible, or even you know,
in the moments, hours, days, weeks after it.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, I definitely think mid race it's hard.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think it's good to have kind of contingency plans
like what's my agle beagle seagal. Some are process oriented,
some are more time based. You know, have that variety
to kind of get you through and then afterwards, I
think just learning from it, Like if you can look
back and say, well, like here's here's what I did
to prepare, how could I do that better? Here's maybe
what caused what made me unhappy, and use it to
(12:21):
make you a better athlete, or at the very least
just kind of like solidify your why of doing it
for next time. I think definitely you can grow from
it no matter what happens. Definitely, just like reflecting on
things and giving yourself time to be bummed, for sure,
because you all put a lot of work into it.
It's a lot of energy and time going into training
even just getting to the start line. So for sure
(12:42):
it's a vulnerable thing to be like I'm getting ready
to take to tackle this. It might or might not
happen totally.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And to your point, a lot of opportunity costs right
as well, Like you've put in not only so much work,
but you've made these conscious decisions day in and day
out to do things differently. So that you could set
yourself up for this goal. I mentioned podcasting, both of
you podcasting also both of you authors. How has diversifying
(13:07):
your portfolio, if you will, made you feel does it
make you kind of revisit the identity of you as
a runner?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
What's going on there?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I think it's just fun to be able to use
other skills, use other parts of yourself, do some storytelling,
engage with the community in different ways.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I've kind of always.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Felt that way throughout my running career.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But I think I only have given myself permission to
kind of do it later, once you've really felt like
you've given it one hundred percent. On the competitive side,
you're like, oh, what else can I do with this?
And what's interest? Like?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
What does said? What's interesting?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
What's I mean, that's kind of what motivates me?
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Now?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
What's interesting?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I'm curious and just it's actually a bigger world outside
of the elite scope that's a very narrow piece of this.
And so it's been really fun to just engage with
more of the running community and talk to people about
different perspectives and learn so much. I feel like one
thing a lot of what I do with my podcast
in books, as I talk to like women's sports research,
(14:05):
women's health research experts, and it's been cool to just
meet so many really smart people doing some great things
for the sport.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And you know, so interesting does with your podcast when
we were both in Tokyo, like you were there for
podcasting right among some other things. A very different avenue
to still be in the circuit.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, I mean it's really fun.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I think one thing, with the professional side and the
performance side, it feels really selfish. You know, like all
the decisions you're making are around your training, around your performance,
or around your habits or around you know, it's me, me,
me all the time, so that I can get the
most out of myself, extract the most out of myself
on race day and then that result you go, like
(14:46):
you share it with your team. But it feels a lot,
you know, after a lot of years, it can feel
pretty self centered. So I think this is a really
nice way to tell other stories or to you know,
be around for other people or elevate other athletes performances.
And so it's nice to have that, to just share
different parts of the sport.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And yeah, that's it's very.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Fulfilling and maybe it's selfish to dig into that and
be like, oh, this is a nice way to like
engage in the sport for myself. But also it's not
my stories anymore, it's other folks, So hopefully it's giving
back to a degree.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Do you feel, Mollie that you experienced a little bit
of that too, like feeling as though your training was.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
A little bit selfish at times? Totally?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, I think just in at least sport is inherently unbalanced.
Your life is really unbalanced. Your whole life revolves around
you know, how fast you can be, which is a
really small part of yourself. And don't get me wrong,
I enjoyed it, you know, when it's giving stuff back
to you, when you're making progress and results, like you
feel so alive, like it's amazing, but it is. It's
(15:48):
you know, your my husband didn't work. He just your
husband's a huge support too, Like that's why we got
to where we did. We had someone in our life
supporting us, like twenty four to seven. You know, so
not a lot of female athletes have that. Actually, you
know a lot of the male athletes you see out
on the football field on the basketball court, like they
have their family helps them get there. So I'm glad
that we can kind of live for each other, like he's.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Not all in on me anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We had a great journey, but I feel like things
are more balanced now, and definitely that selfishness can be
hard to get around sometimes.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Those support systems such an integral part to being able
to show up and do your best and also support
you during your training. Something else that I think a
lot of people here today are thinking about when it
comes to running the marathon is going out there and
feeling their most confident self, something that you both know
(16:56):
very well. You've had to hype yourself up before big races.
When you think about some of the ways that you
feel you're most confident before you tow a starting line,
what comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'll start with you, Daz.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
I kind of dig into the preparation and something that
I do ahead of time is write out a race plan.
So I look at where I started, where I've gotten
to in the build up, and then I write out
my race plan for you know, obviously race morning, all
the way through to the finish line, and the decisions
I want to make so that when it gets art
out there, I'm not negotiating, I'm not bargaining with myself,
(17:29):
and so I think once I can take that off
the table, I feel really confident that I can just
go and stick to a plan.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And it's not like based on.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Anyone else's decisions or what they're doing out there. It's
really just focused on myself, like what decisions do I
want to make so that I could get to the
finish line feeling like I had a great performance, and
so that helps me feel confident on the start line
all the way through to the finish.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Was there an experience where you learn the importance of
doing that? Because I feel like that is such a
valuable takeaway. It's like I know now that I want
to go into this specific moment and have my race
plan and visualize it in this way. But typically speaking,
usually something has to go wrong for you to get
to this place where you say, Okay, this is what
I'm going to do the next time.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
I mean I started doing that in college, and it's
something that you can work on and it's just like
the marathon itself. There's all these little tools that you'll
learn how to tweak it and make it better and
refine it, and you're never going to write the perfect
race plan.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
But that's kind of the point is you go back
and you look.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
At the moments and you're like, well, I didn't do
it quite right here. How can I write this plan
better so that next time, like the bargaining's gone, like
this is what I should have been thinking.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
And so it's a process just like the marathon.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
But I think getting that first one down and giving
yourself a tool to work with out there is super helpful.
And then you look back at it and you go,
where did I have make really good decisions?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And what can I be better at?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
And how can I use this plan to help me
have a better plan on the race course.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The thing that's interesting though, is like, let's even go
to twenty eighteen Boston. Like you probably you definitely had
a race play and for that day, right, and things
at one point felt like they went out the window.
Then you were able to come back and pivot and
embrace what was working to your advantage on that day.
So it's like, Okay, I have the plan, but what
happens if the plan was out the window?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
It shouldn't be a plan that you just totally throw
out right, Like there's moments where you make decisions that
you're like, that's probably not it next time. You need
to be better here, here, and here. But then you
get back on the plan. You know, It's just like
if you miss a day in training, You're not like, oh,
I need to make that up before I can move forward.
You just what's the next thing on the schedule. Let's
go there and make sure that I'm doing that right. So,
(19:35):
like Molly was saying earlier, it's not like what do
I how much.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Do I have left? Or what decisions did I make wrong?
It's just be very.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Zen what do I need to do right now? And
so it's staying in that moment.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Staying in that moment now.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Obviously being out there for the marathon is a lot
different than being out there for the ten k the
five k events that both of you have experienced. With
Molly on the track for quite some time. How for
you has it been different in that transition of going
from the track diligently to now in this later phase
of your career really being more on the roads.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, I think the roads are definitely something I had
to learn to be better at. I mean I was
used to like the data of the track every lap.
You know, to me, that's like a safe space because
you're just like I get to click off laps, I
can't get too far off pace in the roads are
just there can be a harder feel to them. You
can be feeling like you're very far away from things sometimes.
But then I got comfortable with the roads, and then
the marathon is a whole nother sport. So I had
(20:29):
to really like still wrapping my head around the marathon,
you know, just the pacing, the mental strategies with the marathon.
I feel like it's just such a like a U
verse you thing every time you go out. So it's
a challenge that I see why it keeps people coming back,
because it's like it's just such a big challenge.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
You said something very important, the mental strategies of the marathon,
something that I would be remiss if we didn't unpack
here with two great women marathoners, let's talk about perhaps
maybe your most helpful tip when it comes to approaching
the mental side of things racing twenty six point two miles.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Does what comes to mind for.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
You wrapping your head around the fact that it's going
to be difficult, Like you signed up for a very
challenging thing. That's why it's so meaningful you when you
cross the finish line. So I think for me, it's
just reminding myself at the start and then throughout the day.
You know, you didn't train so that this would be
something easy. You train so you'd be prepared for when
it got difficult, and just trust that training. Believe that
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you're prepared so when the challenging moment comes, when the
difficult moment comes, you can look at in the eyes
and say, I am ready for this. This is why
I trained, this is why I did the twenty mile
long runs. All of the things you put in to
get there. You're prepared for that moment, but don't expect
it to be easy. Just know that when it shows up,
you're ready.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And it shows up, you're ready.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Mollie, what's the mental gymnastics that you go through on
the marathon course?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, that it can be hard to wrap your head around,
you know, just the attention span, like it starts to
wane right when you start to get tired. You're like, Okay,
I've been out here for two three hours, and like
it's just getting harder and harder.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So I like to just like wipe the slate clean.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Every like twenty or thirty minutes and just play.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Mental tricks and like bottle to bottle, Like we get
fuel bottles every like five k. I like to just
think bottle to bottle and then you know, just focus
in that small chunk and then you get sort of
like a refreshing burst with the bottle. You can pretend
you're starting over again. So whatever your fuel strategy is,
you go from like you know, fuel to fuel and
just keep the race in those small chunks. That's helped
me a lot. Yeah, just kind of have a mantra
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for that last ten k. I feel like that helps
a lot too.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
What's the mantra.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Mine's usually changes a little bit, but it's usually just
simple and positive, like those are the two important pieces,
and it's just something that can if you're saying it
over and over, you don't have room to think bad
things like I want to stop, so like you're fine,
or stay here.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Stay here?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Is when I like, just stay here or hang on
if someone's in front of me, things like that, and
I just say it over and over again for like
half an hour.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Calm, Calm, Calm, Relax, Relax, Relax, that's mine.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, kind of boring. I don't think it's boring.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I think to Molly's point, it's it's a mantra that
doesn't take mental energy to like repeat to yourself, if
that makes sense, it's not. I always laugh, you know
when you when you talk to someone and it's a
paragraph long, It's like, how do you remember that when
you're out there and struggling for that entire time?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And I nearly don't want it to be too emotional,
like I don't want to say my kids names or anything.
I just want to be like, stay, you're strong. Stay
like something simple like a pep talk, kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Like a pep talk. You'll need a pep talk.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
You going out there this Sunday to run this marathon?
What's this marathon mean to you? And how are you feeling?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
For me? I feel okay.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I did basically a couple of long runs and mostly
like shorter workouts, so I'm not super prepared to run hard.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But it was a good sized.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Challenge to get me back into running after having my
daughter six months ago. And there are just a lot
of things about the race that lit me up, like
I love coming to Scottsdale. I have fun memories of
training here during my pro career and for fifteen years,
you know, we'd come in the winter and train really
hard on this very course to this very course on
the Greenway on the canal. And then Soccany is the
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sponsor of the race, and so it's opened up opportunities
for me here to do some things for Soccany, which
is great, and I just you know, have some friends
I love to come visit down here. And then I'm
doing fundraising for four all mothers. I always like to
hop in and do something for four our mothers every year,
and this presented itself as a great, great timing. So
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just lots of things that were like green flags, and
so I'm very happy to be here doing this and
getting a marathon in, which is everyone like it got
me out the door for the last six months. So
I think, no matter what happens on Sunday, like, I'm
happy for.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
What it did for me, just getting a marathon in,
you know, bigger than that, though, your first marathon since
having your daughter and six months after doing so. When
I say that to you and I repeat that to you,
how does that make you feel?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
It doesn't sound like much time what that level set
right now.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It felt like a long time, and then when you
look back, you're like, that was I was only I've
only been running a couple months, so I think it's
you know, it's given me a lot of freedom. I've
taken a lot of pressure off. You know, just to
do a marathon is a big thing, and I feel
like I'm appreciating that right now. And it's funny, like
in the doldrums after having a baby, when you're just like,
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you don't feel like you're getting much done. But then
I look back this year, I will have made a baby,
ran a marathon, and I'm like writing a book, like
what's wrong with me? Like why am I feeling like
that's not enough?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Stuff?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
So, yeah, it's good to remind yourself you.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Have nothing going on, MOLLI, Yeah, why does it need
to be more than that?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Duys, You'll be out there cheering on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
It's been fun to be on that side of the
sport more frequently now. I mean even in the past
being an ambassador has been great. But you know, obviously
watching that finish line last year and Savannah was incredible.
I feel like the energy and the emotion was just
like heightened by people experiencing the marathon for the first time.
There's so many first timers and people maybe just at
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the beginning of this thought like I can't do it,
and now you can look back at where you started,
how the build up went, and when you cross the
finish line on Sunday, it's just it's going to be spectacular.
And that energy last year is like I can't wait
to come back. I think this course is going to
be epic. Same energy from Team Milk and yeah, I'm
excited to be at the finish and true people.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
On I'm excited to be at the finish line too,
and I'm sure everybody here that's running it also excited
to be at that finish line. Advice that you wish
that you had before your first marathon. We know that
this marathon has a lot of first timers in the mix.
I feel like we would be really missing a big
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opportunity if we didn't offer them that this.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Is random, but remember what socks were your favorite on
your long run, Like for blister prevention, sometimes you forget
with all the details, you probably have a pair of
socks that was like the most comfortable on your long run.
Don't forget to wear those on Sunday. I feel like
everyone's always, you know, busting out a new pair and
then a blister is just going to ruin your day.
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Yeah no, And you feel like such a whimp because
they're so small, but they're so painful.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Small things is going to make a major difference. Reiterating here,
nothing new on race day does advice you wish you
had before your first marathon.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Stick to your fueling strategy.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Hopefully you've pressed practiced it in training, but make sure
you're taking that in particularly if it's on the warmer side,
you're gonna want to be hydrating. But if for some
reason it's on the cooler side, I think people you know, like, oh,
I don't need to hydrate.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's not that hot.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
It was eighty five when we sat down for that
panel and now it's a Chile morning. But the fueling
element is still really important, so make sure you stick
to that. And Arizona state rule of thumb here, drink early,
drink often, get it in early, and then you can
maybe skimp after twenty two miles or so.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Are you feeling nostalgic vah for us? I think I
heard one chuckle at the ASU Ji.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Does is like, where are the ASU students going to
be on the course? And can I come hang out
with you? That's exactly what you want. That's exactly what
she wants. Also important when it comes to running a
marathon is the night before the marathon something you do
without fail before you go to bed.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
The night before a marathon, Mollie hit me, I.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Make a list of everything I'm gonna need and what
my schedule is the next morning, and it includes the breakfast,
fueling if you can just I'm someone who just if
you write it down, then you don't feel it's like
flustered in the morning, especially with the adrenaline of race day,
you kind of forget stuff. So I pack, write my
schedule for the next day, and then when I wake
up in the morning, I'm on autopilot until the gun
goes off. So that's all that's really helped reduce my stress.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Doaz, what do you do the night before?
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Yeah, I mean I think that's the main thing is
reduce stress as much as possible, Like have the plan
for transportation, what time you're going to wake up, all
of those things. A thing that I do just for
the mental side of the race part is write the
race plan, but also look back at your training log,
like look back at that first week of running where
you thought like, there's no way you did. I was
with Anthony a couple of weeks ago and his I
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reminded him. I was like, your first run was five
miles and it took like two hours. And you texted
me and you're like, I walked a bunch. It was
super hard, and I don't know if I can do this,
Like look back at that and see where you started
and see all the work you put in, how much
you've improved, and just be really proud of that. It's
this is the celebration for all of that work. So
it's it's a really fun day and be ready to
enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
When we think about being proud and we think about
the pig wins from your career, do you have a
proudest moment?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I mean finishing my first marathon.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I was probably pretty close, because it was the one
thing where like you're really afraid that like not only
will you maybe not hit your goal, you might not
finish the race, you might have to stop and to
find like even elite runners are worried about running twenty
six point two at the pace they're trying to run
it like it's it's everyone is.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Pretty wretch to try to heave it on. So I
think when I crossed.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
That finish line, I was pretty proud of myself because
there was some major doubt there and.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
It's very empowering when you can pull it off.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
So I hope you all feel that.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
And is the madra the thing that you lean into
when that doubt really creeps in?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It is?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
It is?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Especially because like I was alone for a lot of
the race and I just needed something to engage in.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Really helpful, so helpful again, going back to that mantra
can really be the thing that helps you get through
the difficult moments. And of course also knowing your why,
why it is that you showed up in the first place,
reflecting on all of that opportunity cost and like Dez said,
looking back at all of the training that you've done,
and feeling confident that you put in the work to
show up there and do exactly what you're setting out
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to do. Come this weekend or maybe if you're listening
at home, whenever you tell that line for twenty six
point two proudest moment for you, Dez, Do you have one.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I mean, I think it's anytime that I was counted out,
or you know, you thought you accomplished something you thought
you couldn't. So there's a few different things, but I'll
go with the finishing at the two and sixteen Olympic
Marathon and I had to drop. I've run like thirty marathons,
thirty one now in my career, and I've only DNFD once,
but it was the twenty twelve games and it was heartbreaking,
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and you go like, I don't know if I'll ever
get to cross an Olympic marathon finish line. So four
years later, make the team again, the whole thing, and
you know, I didn't finish exactly where I wanted or
run the time exactly that I wanted, but I got
across the finish line and that was that was really special.
It was probably you know, you just don't know if
you're going to have that opportunity, and so that.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Was I was really proud of that, so so special.
Something to definitely be proud of. Twenty sixty Olympics. I
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have a fun fact for all of you. These two
women on this age. Were roommates, Yeah, at the twenty
sixteen Olympics. Reflecting on that experience, is there anything that
we should know about what it's like to room with
Mollie's Is there anything we you know about?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Rooming with death is so messy? Now?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
We actually, because of our events, we didn't. It was
kind of like I was exiting as you were entering
type of thing.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Like we didn't overlap a ton, so it was great.
We didn't bother each other.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Is there anything that you would keep in the room
that was a must?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I mean the rooms were just like all our kids. Yeah,
just like all our free stuff. They give you a
lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I think that you probably already had them done. But
Mollie's nails are a big things.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Molly is known for her nails.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I'm not sure if the fumes hit you.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
It was fun, but it's like she had them done.
They were ready.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
There are fierce.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
And then I got to watch her race and just
really set the tone American record in the ten k
and set the tone for the games.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, we were early and you guys were later.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
The first day, right, yep. Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I asked this thing about the roommates in the situation,
because like when I think to like the roommates that
I had, like in college, it was just a very
different scenario than I would imagine being roommates at the
Olympic Games would look like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Very very small rooms.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
I think it's like, yeah, your stuff is in the bag,
and then you're just like your stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Basically, it's not luxurious at the Olympic village at all.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Not luxurious at all.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Well, again, so excited to be here with all of
you this weekend and every Woman's marathon. So excited to
be out there cheering on not only this woman to
my left here first marathon six months postpartum.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Uh, but then also all of you.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You have an opportunity to offer this group of humans
one piece of advice before we let you go today.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Where are you gonna go with it?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Mollyh Yeah, you've worked hard to get here. Don't just
credit that that's done amazing things for you and I'm Sunday.
Just let it all pour out, enjoy the energy, and
when you cross the finish line, you're gonna just have
that tool in your pocket of like, look what I did,
like what I can do.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's gonna make you feel.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Great about so many other things that maybe you have
doubts about.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Even though it's just running. Sometimes it's more than just running.
So good luck. I would say, you're stronger than you think.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
I think you'll have a moment where it's hard and
you'll want to quit, and you'll want to give up,
and just remember you're stronger than you think. Dig a
little deeper, try again, never give up. Out there, there's
always just a little bit more than you thought.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
So go out, test yourself, have fun.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
This is the reward for the hard work.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
And when you cross the finish line, if you haven't
done this before, you go from being a runner to
a marathonor and that's really special.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So enjoy the.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Day going from a runner to a marathonor so special.
I remember I ran Chicago recently and I was having
a hard day, and I kept saying to myself, if
it was easy, everyone would do it. That's what I
kept repeating. And so remember, as Does said earlier, you
signed up to do a hard thing.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Now you get to do the hard thing.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So happy that we were able to have this conversation
here For those that aren't I mean, obviously we're all
following along with you, but in case there are people
listening to this on the show that don't keep up
with you just yet.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Where do we find you? On social Molly, I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
For Instagram at Molly Huddle. My podcast is keeping track.
We don't have a very regular schedule, but it's there.
And my book currently out is How She Did It.
And then there's one.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Coming out probably next year or a little later, so
up in the.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Air that progress does.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Where do we find You does underscore Linden on Instagram
nobody asked us what does and carry a podcast and
choosing to run is my book that is out in
the world.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Out in the world. I'm over at Emily a Body
and at Hurdle Podcast. As we say on the show,
another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.
This year, I will have made a baby, ran a marathon,
and I'm like writing a book, Like what's wrong with me?
Like why am I feeling like that's.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Not enough stuff?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, Hey, Emily Baudi here pop it in with a
special bonus episode of Hurdle, a podcast where you'll get
the true stories and mindset lessons of the most inspiring
women in sports and wellness, empowering you to live a healthier, happier,
more motivated life and of course, conquer your own hurdles
along the way. This episode was recorded live at every
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Woman's Marathon in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I am so excited
to bring it to the feed.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
For it, I am chatting.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
With Molly Huddle, her first ever appearance on the show.
A pro runner for Socany, Molly told the line of
every Woman's Marathon, checking off her first marathon since having
her second child just six months ago.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Wow wow wow Wow.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Also a part of today's episode, Des Linden, a favorite
of many a past Hurdle guest. She is the twenty
eighteen at Boston Marathon champion, as well as co host
of Nobody Asked Us with Destin Kara along with Carrik Goucher.
So many things I could say and accolades I could
highlight about these women in this intro, but.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Want to keep things short and sweet.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
The conversation not just advice for aspiring marathoners, but also
so many outstanding takeaways on how to show up and
do hard things, self belief and the importance of being
honest with yourself, knowing when to pivot from a goal,
and how to talk to yourself with compassion. Make sure
you're following along with Hurdle over on social It's at
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Curdle podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I am over at Emily Abodi.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Make sure you're following iHeart Women's Sports as well over
at iHeart Women's Sports. And listen to Hurdle with Emily
Body on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you
get your podcasts. And with that, let's get to it.
Let's get to hurdling. Hello, Hello, Hey everyone. My name
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is Emily A.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Body. I host a podcast called Hurdle.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I'm so excited to be here today with all of
you at the Every Woman's Marathon Expo. Show up hands
if you're running on Sunday, that's what we love to see. Well,
we are here to give you some inspiration. But before
we get into it, of course, I've got to introduce
these two rock stars next to me. First, up to
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my left, two time Olympian author podcaster Molly Huddle. Next
to Mollie des Lindon twenty eighteen Boston Marathon champion, also
an Olympian herself, author podcaster Mollie long overdue first appearance
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on Hurdle Welcome, Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Thanks, so happy to finally be meeting you and talking
in person.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So happy to be finally meeting you and talking in person.
I always like to level set so everyone can be
on the same page as we get into this combo today.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
How are you doing really?
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I just had my second baby six months ago, so
obviously very sleep deprived and doing a lot of just
baby schedule, breastfeeding, wrangling two kids, but managing to get
some runs in so I can feel sane.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Some runs in so I can feel sane.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And you also were just sharing with me backstage that
you took your first plane ride with your six month old.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yes, it went well. I was nervous about it, but
everything went smoothly. Just a lot of juggling back and
forth with my husband, but yeah, nobody pooped. Anywhere or
peed anywhere or head of tantrum. It was just chill,
So that was good.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
As long as all of the things are confined, it's
all good. It's all good. Does how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Really doing great?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I feel like the last time we had this question
answer scenario was in Boston before my final pro marathon,
So last time I was like, oh good, but I
was really sad. So yeah, I'm good now and feeling
relaxed and excited for an exciting weekend where I don't
have any nerves, but I'm like kind of anxious, nervous
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for all of you, which will be a really fun
marathon on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Now, I don't know if I can ever actually trust
Dez ever again, because I woke up on that marathon
Monday and saw the news and thought, Wow, my buddy
just totally left me in the dark.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Wasn't cool? Wasn't cool? Never again? Never again? Never again?
I know.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Now, I'll hold you to that now, as you both said, obviously,
just had.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Your second baby.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Does transitioning out of pro marathoning big transitionary period for
both of you? How are you feeling getting back into
the swing of things?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Molly I'm feeling like I'm just trying to keep it
fun in what I can handle. I feel like physically
it's just a lot, like your energy is just kind
of gone. You're not sleeping a lot. Like I said,
the breastfeeding is just taxing. So I've been doing just
the training that makes me feel good and not to
the point where I'm like, you know, overdoing it and
feeling more tired and just not able to come home
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and take care of everyone like I have to. So
it's kind of a weird middle ground. But I feel
good with it.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Feel like question mark, I think I feel okay, Am
I okay?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah? Are you okay? But things feel different? Yes, yeah,
things feel different.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'm not as fit as i'd like.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I'm not doing the level of workouts I'm used to,
but I think that's just where I'm at right now,
and I'd definitely rather be doing this than not doing
it at all.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
So what has been the most surprising thing for you
in this come back to running postpartum?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think, just like.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
When you have, yeah, an extra person to worry about, you,
just do you have that much less energy?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
And it just Yeah, I didn't think it could get
harder but it did.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
But it's a phase and I think it just will
get easier as the months go on and things are good.
It's just yeah, it's just it's like the physicality of
young kids is with a surprise to me, I guess.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Right, and a whole other training component to the training plan.
Of course, now does in your transition Obviously things will
look a little bit different for you now as you're
scaling up your mileage for different types of challenges.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Give us some insight into how things are.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Different now that you're not competing on that pro level.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's much more about what's fun,
what's interesting, what's going to motivate me, and just redefining that,
you know, I think for so long it was performance
and trying to push yourself and comparing yourself with the
best in the world, and you're always measuring and focusing
in on how can I be better? How can I
y at my best? And now it's like what is fun,
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what's interesting? And I'm curious about the long distance, I'm
curious about the trail. Although I went on a really
good trail and run with somebodies after a wedding and
took it just a face plant, cracked my knee, So
maybe the trail doesn't love me back already.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I'm learning, but that's okay.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
I think the longer distances are intriguing and now I
feel like I need to go spend more time on
the trails to try and master it. And so it's
just what moves me at the moment, and I think
that that's a fun place to be. And instead of
you know, fine tuning and dialing everything into you know,
high performance and being very specific about.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
That, finding the fun. We love that.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And you did find some fun recently in New York
City running the New York City Marathon alongside Hamilton's Anthony
Ramos Dez ran that marathon a bit slower than her
normal marathon, in four hours and forty four minutes.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
The difference is there. Talk to me, is one harder
than the other?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Is it harder to run us up to thirty marathon
then a four forty four?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
They're very different.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
I wouldn't say one is specifically harder than the other.
They're both very challenging. I wasn't planning on running the
full thing with Anthony. I was planning on doing the
fifty miler and then I had this knee thing pop up,
and I was gonna run like ten to twelve miles
with him. As we got closer to the race, I
realized that I was gonna kind of be leaving him
at a point where it starts to get hard, and
(08:27):
I was like, I don't really understand how the exit
strategy is gonna work.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Like, okay, I know.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
It's really tough, see you later, good luck, go get him.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
So I sort of wrapped my mind around the idea
that I would be in there all day, and then
it was just like, how can we make this fun?
I had a beer at one point, I brought him candy,
I brought a pen for him so he could sign autographs,
and it was great. It was just like four and
a half hours of all of us yelling like let's go,
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and then the last you know, several minutes were me
yelling at him like you got this, you can do it,
stay strong. So it was very emotionally exhausting in a
way that you know, at sub two point thirty is
not just physically exhausting.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, I think there's probably some really applicable takeaways here
that we can use when we talk about the context
of what some of these women are going to be
doing on Sunday, Right, we know that you're going to
show up and you're going to be out there for
a while, and you're going to be doing a hard thing.
When you're in the pain cave, Molly, what comes to
mind for you? Do you have anything that you return
to time and time again? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I think the best thing to do for that is
to just stay in the moment. I feel like a
lot of times you want to get out of that
moment and distract yourself. But whenever I think ahead to like,
oh I want this to be over, when will I
be at the end? I almost feel worse. So I
kind of just let it like flow through me, like
this is uncomfortable. I just kind of have to steep
in it. That's the challenge of the marathon. Make it,
my friend, it's very zen. You have to get zen
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about the marathon because it's like mentally, it's just it
can really be intimidating if you don't have like that
kind of approach of like I'm.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
One with this race, this feeling is part of me.
It's okay, we're gonna do this, We're gonna get through this.
So that's been my.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Go to just kind of stay in the mile, stay
in that moment, run with your animal.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Brain, run with your animal brain.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
You don't think, you just you're like a deer. You're
just like run, I just run.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Never have I ever heard this before, but I'm interested
in it. Okay, And so then let's take this a
step further. When you're out there and you're in the
pain cave and things aren't going as you'd hoped, that
definitely takes a little bit of mental gymnastics, as is
that something that you've dealt with before, and if so,
how did you learn from that experience?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (10:38):
I mean, I think we all get really latched onto
our goals, and there's things that make us have to pivot.
Sometimes it's the weather. Sometimes it's the training block, going
not to plan. Sometimes it's in the moment where you
see your goals slipping away and you want to be like, well,
the goal's gone, so maybe I should just step off.
But I think that you can learn so much from
those moments and pushing through even when it's not going
your way, Like how can you pivot? How can you reevaluate?
(11:00):
How can you redefine what you want to get out
of a day.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And I think.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
That's really important for me as a performance athlete. It's
always like, Okay, this is not a good day. How
good can I make my bad day? You know, like
what can I get out of something that's not going
my way? And I think that's really applicable to like
life as a whole, Like what do I do when
things are stacked against me?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
How do I respond to when it's difficult?
Speaker 5 (11:22):
But I also think at the other side of where
I'm in my career now, it's like maybe it's just
going out and having a ton of fun, like high
five of your friends, help somebody out, make a friend
on their course. Like, there's all kinds of different pivots
to make it a positive, successful experience even though the
a goal slips away.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Molly, I know that you also have certainly had moments,
as we all have, where things haven't gone according to plan.
How have you been able to mentally rebound, either in
the heat of the moment during a race to get
the best out of that opportunity possible, or even you know,
in the moments, hours, days, weeks after it.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, I definitely think mid race it's hard.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I think it's good to have kind of contingency plans
like what's my agle beagle seagal. Some are process oriented,
some are more time based. You know, have that variety
to kind of get you through and then afterwards, I
think just learning from it, Like if you can look
back and say, well, like here's here's what I did
to prepare, how could I do that better? Here's maybe
what caused what made me unhappy, and use it to
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make you a better athlete, or at the very least
just kind of like solidify your why of doing it
for next time. I think definitely you can grow from
it no matter what happens. Definitely, just like reflecting on
things and giving yourself time to be bummed, for sure,
because you all put a lot of work into it.
It's a lot of energy and time going into training
even just getting to the start line. So for sure
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it's a vulnerable thing to be like I'm getting ready
to take to tackle this. It might or might not
happen totally.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
And to your point, a lot of opportunity costs right
as well, Like you've put in not only so much work,
but you've made these conscious decisions day in and day
out to do things differently. So that you could set
yourself up for this goal. I mentioned podcasting, both of
you podcasting also both of you authors. How has diversifying
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your portfolio, if you will, made you feel does it
make you kind of revisit the identity of you as
a runner?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
What's going on there?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I think it's just fun to be able to use
other skills, use other parts of yourself, do some storytelling,
engage with the community in different ways.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I've kind of always.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
Felt that way throughout my running career.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
But I think I only have given myself permission to
kind of do it later, once you've really felt like
you've given it one hundred percent. On the competitive side,
you're like, oh, what else can I do with this?
And what's interest? Like?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
What does said? What's interesting?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
What's I mean, that's kind of what motivates me?
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Now?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
What's interesting?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I'm curious and just it's actually a bigger world outside
of the elite scope that's a very narrow piece of this.
And so it's been really fun to just engage with
more of the running community and talk to people about
different perspectives and learn so much. I feel like one
thing a lot of what I do with my podcast
in books, as I talk to like women's sports research,
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women's health research experts, and it's been cool to just
meet so many really smart people doing some great things
for the sport.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
And you know, so interesting does with your podcast when
we were both in Tokyo, like you were there for
podcasting right among some other things. A very different avenue
to still be in the circuit.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Yeah, I mean it's really fun.
Speaker 5 (14:26):
I think one thing, with the professional side and the
performance side, it feels really selfish. You know, like all
the decisions you're making are around your training, around your performance,
or around your habits or around you know, it's me, me,
me all the time, so that I can get the
most out of myself, extract the most out of myself
on race day and then that result you go, like
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you share it with your team. But it feels a lot,
you know, after a lot of years, it can feel
pretty self centered. So I think this is a really
nice way to tell other stories or to you know,
be around for other people or elevate other athletes performances.
And so it's nice to have that, to just share
different parts of the sport.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And yeah, that's it's very.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
Fulfilling and maybe it's selfish to dig into that and
be like, oh, this is a nice way to like
engage in the sport for myself. But also it's not
my stories anymore, it's other folks, So hopefully it's giving
back to a degree.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Do you feel, Mollie that you experienced a little bit
of that too, like feeling as though your training was.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
A little bit selfish at times? Totally?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, I think just in at least sport is inherently unbalanced.
Your life is really unbalanced. Your whole life revolves around
you know, how fast you can be, which is a
really small part of yourself. And don't get me wrong,
I enjoyed it, you know, when it's giving stuff back
to you, when you're making progress and results, like you
feel so alive, like it's amazing, but it is. It's
(15:48):
you know, your my husband didn't work. He just your
husband's a huge support too, Like that's why we got
to where we did. We had someone in our life
supporting us, like twenty four to seven. You know, so
not a lot of female athletes have that. Actually, you
know a lot of the male athletes you see out
on the football field on the basketball court, like they
have their family helps them get there. So I'm glad
that we can kind of live for each other, like he's.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Not all in on me anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We had a great journey, but I feel like things
are more balanced now, and definitely that selfishness can be
hard to get around sometimes.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Those support systems such an integral part to being able
to show up and do your best and also support
you during your training. Something else that I think a
lot of people here today are thinking about when it
comes to running the marathon is going out there and
feeling their most confident self, something that you both know
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very well. You've had to hype yourself up before big races.
When you think about some of the ways that you
feel you're most confident before you tow a starting line,
what comes to mind.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I'll start with you, Daz.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
I kind of dig into the preparation and something that
I do ahead of time is write out a race plan.
So I look at where I started, where I've gotten
to in the build up, and then I write out
my race plan for you know, obviously race morning, all
the way through to the finish line, and the decisions
I want to make so that when it gets art
out there, I'm not negotiating, I'm not bargaining with myself,
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and so I think once I can take that off
the table, I feel really confident that I can just
go and stick to a plan.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And it's not like based on.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Anyone else's decisions or what they're doing out there. It's
really just focused on myself, like what decisions do I
want to make so that I could get to the
finish line feeling like I had a great performance, and
so that helps me feel confident on the start line
all the way through to the finish.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Was there an experience where you learn the importance of
doing that? Because I feel like that is such a
valuable takeaway. It's like I know now that I want
to go into this specific moment and have my race
plan and visualize it in this way. But typically speaking,
usually something has to go wrong for you to get
to this place where you say, Okay, this is what
I'm going to do the next time.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
I mean I started doing that in college, and it's
something that you can work on and it's just like
the marathon itself. There's all these little tools that you'll
learn how to tweak it and make it better and
refine it, and you're never going to write the perfect
race plan.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
But that's kind of the point is you go back
and you look.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
At the moments and you're like, well, I didn't do
it quite right here. How can I write this plan
better so that next time, like the bargaining's gone, like
this is what I should have been thinking.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
And so it's a process just like the marathon.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
But I think getting that first one down and giving
yourself a tool to work with out there is super helpful.
And then you look back at it and you go,
where did I have make really good decisions?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
And what can I be better at?
Speaker 5 (18:49):
And how can I use this plan to help me
have a better plan on the race course.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
The thing that's interesting though, is like, let's even go
to twenty eighteen Boston. Like you probably you definitely had
a race play and for that day, right, and things
at one point felt like they went out the window.
Then you were able to come back and pivot and
embrace what was working to your advantage on that day.
So it's like, Okay, I have the plan, but what
happens if the plan was out the window?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
It shouldn't be a plan that you just totally throw
out right, Like there's moments where you make decisions that
you're like, that's probably not it next time. You need
to be better here, here, and here. But then you
get back on the plan. You know, It's just like
if you miss a day in training, You're not like, oh,
I need to make that up before I can move forward.
You just what's the next thing on the schedule. Let's
go there and make sure that I'm doing that right. So,
(19:35):
like Molly was saying earlier, it's not like what do
I how much.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Do I have left? Or what decisions did I make wrong?
It's just be very.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Zen what do I need to do right now? And
so it's staying in that moment.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Staying in that moment now.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Obviously being out there for the marathon is a lot
different than being out there for the ten k the
five k events that both of you have experienced. With
Molly on the track for quite some time. How for
you has it been different in that transition of going
from the track diligently to now in this later phase
of your career really being more on the roads.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, I think the roads are definitely something I had
to learn to be better at. I mean I was
used to like the data of the track every lap.
You know, to me, that's like a safe space because
you're just like I get to click off laps, I
can't get too far off pace in the roads are
just there can be a harder feel to them. You
can be feeling like you're very far away from things sometimes.
But then I got comfortable with the roads, and then
the marathon is a whole nother sport. So I had
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to really like still wrapping my head around the marathon,
you know, just the pacing, the mental strategies with the marathon.
I feel like it's just such a like a U
verse you thing every time you go out. So it's
a challenge that I see why it keeps people coming back,
because it's like it's just such a big challenge.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
You said something very important, the mental strategies of the marathon,
something that I would be remiss if we didn't unpack
here with two great women marathoners, let's talk about perhaps
maybe your most helpful tip when it comes to approaching
the mental side of things racing twenty six point two miles.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Does what comes to mind for.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
You wrapping your head around the fact that it's going
to be difficult, Like you signed up for a very
challenging thing. That's why it's so meaningful you when you
cross the finish line. So I think for me, it's
just reminding myself at the start and then throughout the day.
You know, you didn't train so that this would be
something easy. You train so you'd be prepared for when
it got difficult, and just trust that training. Believe that
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you're prepared so when the challenging moment comes, when the
difficult moment comes, you can look at in the eyes
and say, I am ready for this. This is why
I trained, this is why I did the twenty mile
long runs. All of the things you put in to
get there. You're prepared for that moment, but don't expect
it to be easy. Just know that when it shows up,
you're ready.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
And it shows up, you're ready.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Mollie, what's the mental gymnastics that you go through on
the marathon course?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, that it can be hard to wrap your head around,
you know, just the attention span, like it starts to
wane right when you start to get tired. You're like, Okay,
I've been out here for two three hours, and like
it's just getting harder and harder.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So I like to just like wipe the slate clean.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Every like twenty or thirty minutes and just play.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Mental tricks and like bottle to bottle, Like we get
fuel bottles every like five k. I like to just
think bottle to bottle and then you know, just focus
in that small chunk and then you get sort of
like a refreshing burst with the bottle. You can pretend
you're starting over again. So whatever your fuel strategy is,
you go from like you know, fuel to fuel and
just keep the race in those small chunks. That's helped
me a lot. Yeah, just kind of have a mantra
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for that last ten k. I feel like that helps
a lot too.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
What's the mantra.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Mine's usually changes a little bit, but it's usually just
simple and positive, like those are the two important pieces,
and it's just something that can if you're saying it
over and over, you don't have room to think bad
things like I want to stop, so like you're fine,
or stay here.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Stay here?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Is when I like, just stay here or hang on
if someone's in front of me, things like that, and
I just say it over and over again for like
half an hour.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Calm, Calm, Calm, Relax, Relax, Relax, that's mine.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, kind of boring. I don't think it's boring.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I think to Molly's point, it's it's a mantra that
doesn't take mental energy to like repeat to yourself, if
that makes sense, it's not. I always laugh, you know
when you when you talk to someone and it's a
paragraph long, It's like, how do you remember that when
you're out there and struggling for that entire time?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
And I nearly don't want it to be too emotional,
like I don't want to say my kids names or anything.
I just want to be like, stay, you're strong. Stay
like something simple like a pep talk, kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Like a pep talk. You'll need a pep talk.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
You going out there this Sunday to run this marathon?
What's this marathon mean to you? And how are you feeling?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
For me? I feel okay.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I did basically a couple of long runs and mostly
like shorter workouts, so I'm not super prepared to run hard.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
But it was a good sized.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Challenge to get me back into running after having my
daughter six months ago. And there are just a lot
of things about the race that lit me up, like
I love coming to Scottsdale. I have fun memories of
training here during my pro career and for fifteen years,
you know, we'd come in the winter and train really
hard on this very course to this very course on
the Greenway on the canal. And then Soccany is the
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sponsor of the race, and so it's opened up opportunities
for me here to do some things for Soccany, which
is great, and I just you know, have some friends
I love to come visit down here. And then I'm
doing fundraising for four all mothers. I always like to
hop in and do something for four our mothers every year,
and this presented itself as a great, great timing. So
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just lots of things that were like green flags, and
so I'm very happy to be here doing this and
getting a marathon in, which is everyone like it got
me out the door for the last six months. So
I think, no matter what happens on Sunday, like, I'm
happy for.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
What it did for me, just getting a marathon in,
you know, bigger than that, though, your first marathon since
having your daughter and six months after doing so. When
I say that to you and I repeat that to you,
how does that make you feel?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
It doesn't sound like much time what that level set
right now.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
It felt like a long time, and then when you
look back, you're like, that was I was only I've
only been running a couple months, so I think it's
you know, it's given me a lot of freedom. I've
taken a lot of pressure off. You know, just to
do a marathon is a big thing, and I feel
like I'm appreciating that right now. And it's funny, like
in the doldrums after having a baby, when you're just like,
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you don't feel like you're getting much done. But then
I look back this year, I will have made a baby,
ran a marathon, and I'm like writing a book, like
what's wrong with me? Like why am I feeling like
that's not enough?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Stuff?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
So, yeah, it's good to remind yourself you.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Have nothing going on, MOLLI, Yeah, why does it need
to be more than that?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Duys, You'll be out there cheering on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
It's been fun to be on that side of the
sport more frequently now. I mean even in the past
being an ambassador has been great. But you know, obviously
watching that finish line last year and Savannah was incredible.
I feel like the energy and the emotion was just
like heightened by people experiencing the marathon for the first time.
There's so many first timers and people maybe just at
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the beginning of this thought like I can't do it,
and now you can look back at where you started,
how the build up went, and when you cross the
finish line on Sunday, it's just it's going to be spectacular.
And that energy last year is like I can't wait
to come back. I think this course is going to
be epic. Same energy from Team Milk and yeah, I'm
excited to be at the finish and true people.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
On I'm excited to be at the finish line too,
and I'm sure everybody here that's running it also excited
to be at that finish line. Advice that you wish
that you had before your first marathon. We know that
this marathon has a lot of first timers in the mix.
I feel like we would be really missing a big
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opportunity if we didn't offer them that this.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Is random, but remember what socks were your favorite on
your long run, Like for blister prevention, sometimes you forget
with all the details, you probably have a pair of
socks that was like the most comfortable on your long run.
Don't forget to wear those on Sunday. I feel like
everyone's always, you know, busting out a new pair and
then a blister is just going to ruin your day.
(27:05):
Yeah no, And you feel like such a whimp because
they're so small, but they're so painful.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Small things is going to make a major difference. Reiterating here,
nothing new on race day does advice you wish you
had before your first marathon.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Stick to your fueling strategy.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Hopefully you've pressed practiced it in training, but make sure
you're taking that in particularly if it's on the warmer side,
you're gonna want to be hydrating. But if for some
reason it's on the cooler side, I think people you know, like, oh,
I don't need to hydrate.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's not that hot.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
It was eighty five when we sat down for that
panel and now it's a Chile morning. But the fueling
element is still really important, so make sure you stick
to that. And Arizona state rule of thumb here, drink early,
drink often, get it in early, and then you can
maybe skimp after twenty two miles or so.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Are you feeling nostalgic vah for us? I think I
heard one chuckle at the ASU Ji.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Does is like, where are the ASU students going to
be on the course? And can I come hang out
with you? That's exactly what you want. That's exactly what
she wants. Also important when it comes to running a
marathon is the night before the marathon something you do
without fail before you go to bed.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
The night before a marathon, Mollie hit me, I.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Make a list of everything I'm gonna need and what
my schedule is the next morning, and it includes the breakfast,
fueling if you can just I'm someone who just if
you write it down, then you don't feel it's like
flustered in the morning, especially with the adrenaline of race day,
you kind of forget stuff. So I pack, write my
schedule for the next day, and then when I wake
up in the morning, I'm on autopilot until the gun
goes off. So that's all that's really helped reduce my stress.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Doaz, what do you do the night before?
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Yeah, I mean I think that's the main thing is
reduce stress as much as possible, Like have the plan
for transportation, what time you're going to wake up, all
of those things. A thing that I do just for
the mental side of the race part is write the
race plan, but also look back at your training log,
like look back at that first week of running where
you thought like, there's no way you did. I was
with Anthony a couple of weeks ago and his I
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reminded him. I was like, your first run was five
miles and it took like two hours. And you texted
me and you're like, I walked a bunch. It was
super hard, and I don't know if I can do this,
Like look back at that and see where you started
and see all the work you put in, how much
you've improved, and just be really proud of that. It's
this is the celebration for all of that work. So
it's it's a really fun day and be ready to
enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
When we think about being proud and we think about
the pig wins from your career, do you have a
proudest moment?
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I mean finishing my first marathon.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I was probably pretty close, because it was the one
thing where like you're really afraid that like not only
will you maybe not hit your goal, you might not
finish the race, you might have to stop and to
find like even elite runners are worried about running twenty
six point two at the pace they're trying to run
it like it's it's everyone is.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Pretty wretch to try to heave it on. So I
think when I crossed.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
That finish line, I was pretty proud of myself because
there was some major doubt there and.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
It's very empowering when you can pull it off.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
So I hope you all feel that.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
And is the madra the thing that you lean into
when that doubt really creeps in?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
It is?
Speaker 2 (30:15):
It is?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Especially because like I was alone for a lot of
the race and I just needed something to engage in.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So yeah, that was.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Really helpful, so helpful again, going back to that mantra
can really be the thing that helps you get through
the difficult moments. And of course also knowing your why,
why it is that you showed up in the first place,
reflecting on all of that opportunity cost and like Dez said,
looking back at all of the training that you've done,
and feeling confident that you put in the work to
show up there and do exactly what you're setting out
(30:42):
to do. Come this weekend or maybe if you're listening
at home, whenever you tell that line for twenty six
point two proudest moment for you, Dez, Do you have one.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I mean, I think it's anytime that I was counted out,
or you know, you thought you accomplished something you thought
you couldn't. So there's a few different things, but I'll
go with the finishing at the two and sixteen Olympic
Marathon and I had to drop. I've run like thirty marathons,
thirty one now in my career, and I've only DNFD once,
but it was the twenty twelve games and it was heartbreaking,
(31:12):
and you go like, I don't know if I'll ever
get to cross an Olympic marathon finish line. So four
years later, make the team again, the whole thing, and
you know, I didn't finish exactly where I wanted or
run the time exactly that I wanted, but I got
across the finish line and that was that was really special.
It was probably you know, you just don't know if
you're going to have that opportunity, and so that.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Was I was really proud of that, so so special.
Something to definitely be proud of. Twenty sixty Olympics. I
(31:56):
have a fun fact for all of you. These two
women on this age. Were roommates, Yeah, at the twenty
sixteen Olympics. Reflecting on that experience, is there anything that
we should know about what it's like to room with
Mollie's Is there anything we you know about?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Rooming with death is so messy? Now?
Speaker 4 (32:16):
We actually, because of our events, we didn't. It was
kind of like I was exiting as you were entering
type of thing.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Like we didn't overlap a ton, so it was great.
We didn't bother each other.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Is there anything that you would keep in the room
that was a must?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I mean the rooms were just like all our kids. Yeah,
just like all our free stuff. They give you a
lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
I think that you probably already had them done. But
Mollie's nails are a big things.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Molly is known for her nails.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
I'm not sure if the fumes hit you.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
It was fun, but it's like she had them done.
They were ready.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
There are fierce.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
And then I got to watch her race and just
really set the tone American record in the ten k
and set the tone for the games.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, we were early and you guys were later.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
The first day, right, yep. Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I asked this thing about the roommates in the situation,
because like when I think to like the roommates that
I had, like in college, it was just a very
different scenario than I would imagine being roommates at the
Olympic Games would look like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Very very small rooms.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
I think it's like, yeah, your stuff is in the bag,
and then you're just like your stuff.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Basically, it's not luxurious at the Olympic village at all.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Not luxurious at all.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Well, again, so excited to be here with all of
you this weekend and every Woman's marathon. So excited to
be out there cheering on not only this woman to
my left here first marathon six months postpartum.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Uh, but then also all of you.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
You have an opportunity to offer this group of humans
one piece of advice before we let you go today.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Where are you gonna go with it?
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Mollyh Yeah, you've worked hard to get here. Don't just
credit that that's done amazing things for you and I'm Sunday.
Just let it all pour out, enjoy the energy, and
when you cross the finish line, you're gonna just have
that tool in your pocket of like, look what I did,
like what I can do.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's gonna make you feel.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Great about so many other things that maybe you have
doubts about.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Even though it's just running. Sometimes it's more than just running.
So good luck. I would say, you're stronger than you think.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
I think you'll have a moment where it's hard and
you'll want to quit, and you'll want to give up,
and just remember you're stronger than you think. Dig a
little deeper, try again, never give up. Out there, there's
always just a little bit more than you thought.
Speaker 6 (34:34):
So go out, test yourself, have fun.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
This is the reward for the hard work.
Speaker 5 (34:39):
And when you cross the finish line, if you haven't
done this before, you go from being a runner to
a marathonor and that's really special.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
So enjoy the.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Day going from a runner to a marathonor so special.
I remember I ran Chicago recently and I was having
a hard day, and I kept saying to myself, if
it was easy, everyone would do it. That's what I
kept repeating. And so remember, as Does said earlier, you
signed up to do a hard thing.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Now you get to do the hard thing.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So happy that we were able to have this conversation
here For those that aren't I mean, obviously we're all
following along with you, but in case there are people
listening to this on the show that don't keep up
with you just yet.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Where do we find you? On social Molly, I'm.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
For Instagram at Molly Huddle. My podcast is keeping track.
We don't have a very regular schedule, but it's there.
And my book currently out is How She Did It.
And then there's one.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Coming out probably next year or a little later, so
up in the.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Air that progress does.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
Where do we find You does underscore Linden on Instagram
nobody asked us what does and carry a podcast and
choosing to run is my book that is out in
the world.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Out in the world. I'm over at Emily a Body
and at Hurdle Podcast. As we say on the show,
another Hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.
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