September 29, 2025 • 33 mins
Rini Bell, aka Kirk’s girlfriend Lulu, joins Scott to recap the Season 2 finale “I Can’t Get Started.”
Rini reveals she’s never seen this episode, but loves all the realistic moments between all the characters.
Plus, she offers what could have been between Lorelai and Christopher if there was more time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in again. Oh that's you. I Am
all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey everybody,
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Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one of them
productions iHeartRadio Media. iHeart Podcast Recap the season finale of
season two, episode twenty two, and we and that's called
I can't get started And it seems like I can't
get started either. We have very special guests once again
joining us, Rene Bell. Rene Welcome, How are you? How
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have you been?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Rene has been in such movies It's Ghost World, The Terminal,
Bring It On, road Trip, Baja Beach Bombs, and jar Head.
She had a recurring role in Gilmore Girls, playing Lulu,
local third grade teacher, our Hollow Elementary and Kirk's girlfriend.
She also has done some voice acting, being in the
PSP game Genie d Arc and also voices roles in
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episodes of animated television series King of the Hill. And
we're going to go over this word by word that
we're gonna get No, I'm kidding. Listen. Jackson and Suki's
wedding is upon us. Renie, what do you think of that? Festival?
Begin festivities? Christopher shows up it's just mayhem. Lorealized happy,
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but her future plans before each other get derailed by
phone call from Sherry. Oh boy, what a what a
bomb to drop in the middle of at the end
of this episode boring, It's definitely not boring. And but
did you I knew it was going to be something.
I'd seen the episode before. I forgot what it was
going to be, but I knew it was going to
be something. Meanwhile, big surprise turn throws Rory for a loop.
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Paris convinces Roy to run as her student body vice president,
and we have a really special episode here. Written and
directed by Amy Sharn Palladino, also written by John Stevens.
All Right, so let's discuss Suki's wedding. Hey, they're choosing
music for the wedding. The opening, sukis Laurela to invite
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Emily and Richard, but then Lorelei tells him that it's they.
When she tells him, they say it's a pity invite,
which is some very funny stuff right there. Suki's up
in the middle of the night before her wedding, freaking
out about getting married. Lorelei calms her down by telling
her that she slept with well not at the wedding.
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Laurela and Christopher are happy. Everybody's happy, even Emily is glad,
and they're going to give it a try. In For me,
it was a stomach churning moment. H Rory turns around
and sees Jess. He tells her that he moved back,
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and then Rory impulsively kisses him. Renie, there's a lot
going on in this thing, and she enjoyed the level.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Of drama upon me as it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Was happening again.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's been a long time. I've completely revisited it, like
it was a complete rewatch for me, like a new experience.
So I was really enjoying the newness of it, and
it was it was exciting. Trouble e way, you're comfortable.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You think Suki getting married has Loria reflecting on her
own love life?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh and thought of that? Oh yeah, Laura is so
like well behaved as a human and such a mature
friend that she would never show that to Suki, which
is nice. They don't even address that, but yeah, your
average chick would probably feel that loss.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Mm hmmmm. Were you rooting for the moment when the
camera revealed Jess was standing there towards the end.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, it was, well, it was it was kind of
a like m m oh, okay, here this guy. All right,
It was kind of like that. It was like, I
don't know about this, But then it was like, but
it's kind of.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Interesting complications cute.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, you.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Like, we don't know how long we're going to have
this kid because another show is going to pick him up,
so we better use him. Yeah, at our top, right, right, Well,
that kiss they had, right, it's been a long time
coming to to the best of your recollection, Is that
the first time they've kissed it?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right? Is it?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I don't think I think it is. That's their first kiss? Maybe? Right?
Is it?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh, well that's a different Yeah, I admit to not
being fully up to.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I'm a chime in here. Does anybody know it's Yeah,
it's the first it's the first time they've kissed.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, that that adds another layer. Man, Rory, she's she's
she's not as frail as she looks.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
She's something. Well, it's been a long time coming. Yeah, interesting,
you think that's the moment and h Rory finally realizes
she's in love of them and couldn't hold back her feelings.
I mean that, what what else would that indicate?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, Yeah, it's sort of a like my feelings are
bigger than moment. But yeah, the feeling has taken me
and she's in touch with that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Definitely quarantine. Dean's looking good, he's acting good. He's a
good dude. Right man. He's taller, so it's not fair
because he's six'. Four he's a he's a drink of,
water isn't? He For god's? Sake and he's just going
to get left in the. DUST i feel bad for the.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Guy, well, look this girl's got.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Options she's got. Options they're coming out of the. Woodwork,
man they my. God all, right let's go To Looks.
Down laura finally makes, it and that's that's a pretty funny, scene.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So, cute and she's weaving back and forth.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Right, right, right that's good. Stuff and then she gets
in there and, she's you, know she has to be
parented by her own, Daughter like you're gonna do, fine
don't worry ABOUT i.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Know their dynamic is like really top like it's like
it's like so good in The, like my favorite with
between them is the beginning of the series because they're
just the most there's just so much like there's just
so much compatible humor between.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Them it's very.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Touching it's not like every day you see a mother
daughter like have that kind of compatible.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Humor, no just and this episode, ESPECIALLY i just the
zingers were flying in this. ONE i was laughing out
loud most of.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It, yeah there are a lot of just.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
World, yeah there were a lot of belly laughs in this. One,
Uh luke's kind of freezing her. Out what's that, About?
Ranie what's that? About what's he? Doing you think he's? Done,
no because he didn't smirk after she. Left you know
How jess always has a little smile after he does
some manipulations On. Rory he seems the same game.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That dry, humor, right that Dry.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Luke but but it's like it's Not it's, LIKE i
don't know what's he. Doing he's not giving it, away.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So i'm not, sure totally sure what happened beforehand she.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Did they got a huge they got a huge. Fight
they got a huge yelling match because of the car
accident with just driving The dean built a used car
that he gave To. Rory they're fighting by the, kids
they're fighting about The, yeah it was a big screaming
match at night in front of the diner and she
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says screw you and he goes screw. You but you,
know it was it was really. Bad it was really,
bad and they just sort of ended their. FRIENDSHIP i
mean they're not even speaking for for weeks and.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They're just friends right, now that's. It but they got
chemistry just popping off.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The, balls. Right but the thing, is is he? Done you?
Think does he seem like he's, Done like he's moved
on and, like oh, NO.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I think she's just being the bigger person in that
interaction and he's he's graciously kind of like he's like being,
gracious Like, OKAY i hear. You you're coming to me for,
peace And i'm taking that in and he's kind of
taking his time with. It that's my. Feeling that's that's
MY i think that's WHAT i.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Felt do you think he doesn't have the bandwidth to
even deal with it and? Her do you think he's
realizing this is this is just too much for?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Me well he's a little slower moving with the whole
movie getting over it. Thing but isn't that just men and?
Women like she wants to she wants to apologize openly
and make official, peace and he's, Like i'm interacting with.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You he, is he's an. Iceberg he's.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Slow that tells you all you need to.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Know he's an. Iceberg he's. Slow he doesn't come around. Fast,
yeah he's Got he thinks about it a. Lot he's
not a. Talker he takes his. TIME i mean he, can,
yeah but he.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Doesn't seem angry in that interaction to. Me he just
kind of seems, like.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right well.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Stressed, yeah, yeah, yeah it must be weird for, you
like analyzing, it but, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
No it's like a different. Person. Yeah well, yeah so long.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Ago it's so long, ago and it wasn't actually YOU i, know, RIGHT.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I can be, objected right.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Exactly but it's kind of funny to talk to you
about that.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Guy you, know what do you think is this push
him further away From laurala because he can't seem to
get back to where they were?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Before?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh does it push him away that he's not more
receptive to, her because.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
If you're not moving, forward you're moving, backwards right in these.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
THINGS i DON'T i don't remember it being like a
really like him shutting Her, okay so so she was,
like this, happened let's make, peace and he was just
kind of like, raw and she's, like, OH i Get
i've been left, right that's kind of what.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Happened he was Stone he wasn't even looking at her,
practically he was just stone walling the whole.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Thing, Okay, WELL i assume, That. LAURA i was, thinking
he just needs to he just needs a, Minute he
just needs a little, space and he'll get over, it
because obviously we both were screaming at each other about our.
Kids BUT i don't, know she seems like a pretty patient.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Person she is, actually isn't She she really.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Is, yeah she's really patient and forgiving and, yes realistic
ABOUT i THINK i don't. Know, well she's been through
she's already been through it with men quite, young in
a high stakes, setting and she's okay with. It she's
kind of like found. Out it seems like that holding
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onto the holding onto anything doesn't do her any good
because she's.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Got stuff to, do right, Rug polls don't bother. Her
she's been. Thrown, yeah you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Don't get the sense that she freaks out.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Easily been, there done. That, yeah that's to just apologize
and apologize and apologize and hope for the best and.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Whatever, right she's done her, part and it's kind of
one of those reasons why she's such a fun, character
because she's not, boring but she's still kind Of OH
i could use a little of.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That not a reactive, person right, right.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
All, Right Now luke goes, upstairs she's just. THERE i love.
This i'm. Sweet, YEAH i like the. Scene, YEAH i
forgot about this. SCENE i forgot about this. Scene So luke, is,
uh you, know what are you doing? Here what are
you doing? Here what'd you think of this? Scene this
back and?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Forth, well, YEAH i MEAN i liked it was An
it was a window Into luke because he's this is
how he acts when he's, hurt like get out of,
here kind of like he just was With. LAURA i,
like just no. Reaction but then it's like obvious he was.
Hurt it's like you didn't you didn't do it either
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you you didn't call me or, whatever you didn't reply
to my. Call and and then he's just like it
was so moving When jess was, like So i'm going
to stay, here and he's just like doesn't do. Anything
but you can see how. Excited he is very sweet
that he misses, him even though he acts all, gruff
but he just loves this. Guy you, know you can
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see the love in those Little this is the a
Nice this is HOW i like that the show has
the moments towards the men because they sort of separate.
SOMETIMES i feel like there's the girls and there's the,
boys and the way that the it shows how how
men are vulnerable and it's not the. Same so it
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was just a really, sweet, vulnerable realistic male moment and
it must be, awful like it's kind of. That it
was like sucteinct in that. Moment you, see, gosh how
hard it is for him not to be with his
son and why his son isn't with. Him you kind of,
see well you don't see why his son isn't with,
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him but you just see that like they're not that,
close but that there's a loss there and a desire
for both of.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Them he Just luke needs to be respected and he
wants to play and he and he wants to be
there for that. Boy you, know he really feels it
because That's jesus last. Chance there's nobody in his life
that's going to pull him out of his train wreck
of his. Life, yeah so there's real compassion. There.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah it's so quickly shown with so little, exposition so few.
Lines it's nice well.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Done now this episode is just so well. Written, gosh
is so taut and it's just so beautifully. Written, yeah
this Is amy at her. Best this is, like this
is like a chest hitting it out of the. Park,
agreed boy, man.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Agreed it was, Lovely.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It really, was all. Right so let's get To rory In.
Paris hilarious stuff of, them you, know and their dynamic
And paris at her best and her worst at the
same time at the same.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Time, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But performance, wise just the whole thing was just so.
Great all. Right, so So paris is running for student body.
President she makes that you, Know mussolini like.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Speech, yeah camera shotscreen, angle like all, serious.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Right, right, right it was you, know they took SOME
i THINK i Think amy took some inspiration as a
director From. GOD i think the, candidate you, know was
It redford and the early seventies or something late. SIXTIES
i haven't.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Seen, okay but it's like a it's like a suspense
death government, movie right.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah but it was just there's some some great camera. Shots,
yes but she makes a speech and then it was,
like you, know, crickets she sits, down she's she's not.
Happy if you, know if they, win they they. Both
if she, wins she gets to spend six weeks In
washington and some junior leadership. Internship, Okay and then at the,
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Wedding paris Calls dean to talk To, rory hands over
the phone to Tell rory they won And rory is
the vice. President she will be vice. President so If
paris is assassinated or falls, ill Then rory will be the.
President love love the, guilting the guilt, speech, like, hey
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you know you want this to be the thing that
doesn't get you Into harvard when you would have lived
your whole life regret and you're gonna be In Connecticut
state and you could have been At.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
HARVARD i, know you see the wheels of greatness turning
In paris's, head like you see the master manipulator just.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
By so Obviously paris is, insecure she doesn't know what
she's gonna. Win she Needs. RORY i liked.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
HOW i liked. That it's like there's that kind of
poignant moment in a young woman's life when, like you
realize that life isn't, fair but you didn't know that.
Before so it's, Like i'm the, BEST i have the
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best to. Offer i'm doing the best. Work and then it's,
like but that's not what people want from. You that's.
Hard that's a hard pill to swallow from someone who
cares so. Much SO I i related to. THAT i liked.
THAT i thought that was that was sweet and made
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me like her more.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Basic human. Psychology it's tough growing. Up what a funny
scene that she pulled well in two, areas but in, Likability, no.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
The two cutest girls on the planet just.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Like, right, yeah like and Then paris, says, uh you, Know,
louise get on that right away like.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Hers it's just it's it's.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Weird and, right like create a, scandal create a scandal
with the other male, candidate bring them, DOWN i.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Know and then she's just like she's back to being
ruthless and.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Right i'm on. It oh my.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Gosh so it's like these moments where, YOU i like
how they make you care about, her and then you're, Like,
okay she's all, right she doesn't need my concern at.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
All, right, Exactly so it looks like opposites are attracting
here with these. Two ah, yeah a relationship made in. Heaven.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah They it's Like paris really Respects rory and is
just kind of feel sorry for. Her But i'm sure
she respects some things about. Her but like it's it's
kind of they definitely have certain interest in. Common it's it's.
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Sweet they need each other in a, way Like rory
gets to sort of, WELL i Think roy just feels,
bad but that matters to. Her she has to be
a good. Person that's like important to her to not
make people feel.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Bad rory is To paris As luke is To. Jess
a lot of. Compassion there a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Chaos, yeah she's like her.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Parent yeah, yeah somebody's got a, razor, Right.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah that's that's a good. Point it is a sort
of yeah, caretaker yeah, yah which is sweet too because
they're just little little. Ladies they're little, kids and it's
like it's like it's also it's also real for, them you,
know it's a big. Deal all of, it all.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
These, dynamics all, Right laura And. Christopher there was a
lot Of, christopher a lot Of LAUREL i in THIS
i can't be objective, Here but what did you think of? This?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
WELL i like my first thought was how Sweet laura
And christopher were as, Friends that they have an obvious
physical chemistry just based on the, past but that they
were both kind of okay with, it like they could
rise above. It when he was spoken for in the
beginning and And LAURA i was just, LIKE i don't,
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know she was just his, friend but there was a
really nice energy between, them and it just seemed like
they were kind of nailing the whole co parenting the.
Best it was like the best scenario because they were
both just being they were both coming from a place
of thinking the best of each. Other and then the,
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CHEMISTRY i could see how that would happen because they
do have, chemistry and there is the, past and he just.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Seems to, me does he seem to you like he
he comes off so much younger Than. LAURA i, yeah
so less, capable so much. YOUNGER i, MEAN i know
the same, age but he comes off like, he's you,
know five to seven years, younger and.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
He's, yes well he's the guy that he. Was he hasn't, changed, right.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Right that's the that's the immature.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Guy, yeah and she's always loved him because of their
nice chemistry and because of the good vibes between, them
but he always lets her down because that's how he.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Is, yeah this is a big one.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Thought oh, YEAH i was, like oh and he had
to do it? Right why she walks down the, Aisle
that's like it couldn't wait ten? Minutes. Whoa that's when
you really Respect LAURA, i because she's just, Like, okay
have a great. Baby, wow that's a sure.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Lady right? Right what else can you? SAY i, mean
these guys are, now they're. Intimate you, know they're together.
Again everybody's.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Happy everybody's so. HAPPY i Mean rory just like The
Rory park is, like why did they make this huge
announcement like one day after they got together for one?
Night like that seemed a little. Premature they could have
waited a. Minute there was that like they made this
huge national announcement at the, Wedding like, WELL i mean
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they told several people where it's like it could be
wise to take a little. Time BUT i guess they
just were. BOTH i Think LAURA i was the one
who was just like so. Trusting she had to get
hurt again to sort of slow. Down, maybe but he's
just the one who's like more impulsive. Anyway. Maybe. Well oh,
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yeah it was Very it didn't feel. Unrealistic though it
felt like things like, this it seemed like it wasn't like.
Unbelievable it was just more. Information mm.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Hm tough to. Watch whole thing was tough to.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Watch but that's why it was so hard to, watch
because it was like you could see the best and
the worst of. EVERYBODY i, mean he didn't just like
change his mind for no. Reason it was a legitimate.
Reason he just didn't handle it too.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well it's just such A i, mean his his. Character you,
know it's LIKE i, know he's not. Cheating he's like
With LAUREL, i which you know he gets he gets
a pass for for some reason because It's LAUREL, I.
Right everybody Wants laurela to be, happy so they have
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this blind. Spot, yeah what does can pontentially do to? Her?
Again and this guy he just when she, said when
he turned around for the last time and looked at
her and he was depressed that he had to leave
because his girlfriend was pregnant with his. Kid oh, yeah
so he's got so. Much how do you how do
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you even come. Back, wow, guy go take care of your.
Kid you got a baby, coming you. Know oh my,
God oh, terrible, terrible. Terrible that was.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Awful but that's a big, episode.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So, right you have to have.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It, yeah and it makes you love lauralit, more which is.
COOL i, mean it's just, deeper it goes deep. Whatever but,
YEAH i did want to punch him in the. Face
BUT i wanted to punch him in the face immediately
because he was just a little too familiar WITH i don't,
KNOW i just, well you worry right away that he's
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being a little irresponsible when he's, like should we just
make out on this?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Couch right when he sat down with the arm and
then she leaned back on his, arm and it was, like,
whoa this is a little too much, hair right too.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Fast you, worry, RIGHT i MEAN i worried right. Away
but THEN i was, like, well, look they really care
about each, other AND i, mean this is how these
things sometimes, happened so maybe and then it's like and
then they sit down and talk about it and it
all looks really of off, board and the worry was
the right. One but she would never have, KNOWN i,
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guess because they hadn't really revisited this since What roy was.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Born, YEAH i. GUESS i, mean haven't they flirted? AROUND
i can't even, remember don't. Know it's like this guy's
always digging, around, right and he's looking for an, opportunity rooting,
around showing, up.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Just showing up and rooting, around.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Showing up in his, shirts my.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Shirts look at, ME i have a. Shirt look at.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Me i'm. Back it's on. Touck i'm. Casual, Now i'm so.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Casual i'm amazing Because i'm even here at. All, like
And rory's also so mature because she's just like so
kind with him and expects, nothing but she's so happy
for what he has to. Bring she's just a really
lovely little child of. Divorce you, know we're not.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Divorce you, know we skipped over that one scene THAT
i thought was so. Funny you, know they went To
friday night dinner And emily was offended at the when's
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the wedding a week from? Now she, Could, oh so
it's a pity. Invite so the whole pity invite thing was.
Great and Then Laurel laurelai trying to change the. Subjects
this isn't doesn't.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Again it was like you see all, that like how
they they work together as a, team as a, Team
richard And emily worked together as a team because they're
both like right on the same page. Too he's like
that was a pity in, Fight they're, like, wow they're
really hooked up, Too like it's, nice it's kind of.
Sweet everybody's so close in their. Corners it.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Was it was very funny When emily showed up at
the wedding And laurela's questioning, her And emily, says, well
it would have been equally as rude not to show
up knowing that we didn't have anything else to. Do
that's called rising, above but be condescending her own daughter
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by saying that's called rising.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Above so fun she really.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Is and so pretty and like put. TOGETHER i just
like WHENEVER i see her after not seeing her for a,
while and she's so pretty and, right everything is just
you just like where of me wants to be like,
that you, know and so just.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Spicy is there a part of you that wishes that
That lorela had fought harder instead of just sort of
accepting it and being so classy about, it you?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Know The christopher thing, no, no The christopher, thing or
does that make her look?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
BAD i think your average woman would have at least
thrown a little, tantrum made it about, herself and possibly
drawn this focus from the bride and felt stupid about it.
Later so she did the best. Thing she just. Had, like,
really maybe she's been through enough that she knows and
(28:53):
maybe maybe it's just Being emily's. Daughter she knows how
to how to have dignity in the face of. Indignity
but uh, NO i. DON'T i. DON'T i think she
knows him well enough that and she doesn't want him
there because she yelled at. Him she wants him there
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because he wants to be, there and she wants to
let him maybe have the consequences of his own, choices so,
that you, know let him say with that without her
harping voice in his ear to. Blame, NO i doubt
that was. WHAT i doubt that was really her forethought about.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It but you, know here's a. Thought maybe she didn't
fight for him because she knew in her heart of
hearts that he was not capable of balancing his own
family and also being there For, rory so she just
gave him. Up it's like just go do that because he.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Leaves confirmation of her, fear her worries maybe right, right
it's like maybe he's. Changed and then she's, like oh,
god she hasn't.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Changed, right same old.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Guy, Yeah and he says to, her you KNOW i.
DIDN'T i wasn't here for. Worry it's just like that's
the whole. Point but she's, like that's, Okay i'd be
there for someone else's. Baby but, okay you, know it's
like ouch, ouch and she didn't show, it so you.
Don't it's almost like you feel her pain more because she.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Didn't you. Know he just is not good at, life is?
He he's he's not very good at. Life so there they,
are both women are women are standing there heartbroken over
what just.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Happened OH i.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Know just then they start stepping toward the. Wedding it's
a it's a contrast that is uh quite beautiful for
a season. Finale oh, yeah it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Was it was sort of like the in the sadness
moment mixed dramatic.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Moments. Funny where would you rank this in your season
finale FOR tv, shows other shows that you're fond? Of
what do you think of this as a.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
SEASON i can't think of a single other season well
CAN i nothing's coming to mind of a season finale in.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Particular but those are had some good ones you See
did you see?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Those AREN'T i don't remember IF i saw a. SEASON
i saw some, episodes BUT i don't have a memory
of the SEASON i, REMEMBER i don't. Know it's like
a really bad, memory like very shoddy pieces of. Memory
so WHAT i can say is that it's up there
now and and there's really nothing wrong with it in my.
(31:44):
Opinion SO i don't think we'll say season finales or
any episode. EVER i don't think things that you that
feel like they were really just spot on are, common
and so it's hard to it's nice to really give
credit to that because it's sort of like hard to
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imagine how difficult it is to really pull that off
because so much isn't good.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well whether whether it's a finale or. Not it. Was
it was one of my. Favorites great episode executed on every.
Level just just a great one to rewatch and rewatch.
Anyway it was a delight to have you back. On thank,
you please come back again and again and again you thank.
You your comments and insight is deep and Welcome Renie. Bell,
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I am all in again. Oh that's you. I Am
all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey everybody,
(00:23):
Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one of them
productions iHeartRadio Media. iHeart Podcast Recap the season finale of
season two, episode twenty two, and we and that's called
I can't get started And it seems like I can't
get started either. We have very special guests once again
joining us, Rene Bell. Rene Welcome, How are you? How
(00:46):
have you been?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Rene has been in such movies It's Ghost World, The Terminal,
Bring It On, road Trip, Baja Beach Bombs, and jar Head.
She had a recurring role in Gilmore Girls, playing Lulu,
local third grade teacher, our Hollow Elementary and Kirk's girlfriend.
She also has done some voice acting, being in the
PSP game Genie d Arc and also voices roles in
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episodes of animated television series King of the Hill. And
we're going to go over this word by word that
we're gonna get No, I'm kidding. Listen. Jackson and Suki's
wedding is upon us. Renie, what do you think of that? Festival?
Begin festivities? Christopher shows up it's just mayhem. Lorealized happy,
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but her future plans before each other get derailed by
phone call from Sherry. Oh boy, what a what a
bomb to drop in the middle of at the end
of this episode boring, It's definitely not boring. And but
did you I knew it was going to be something.
I'd seen the episode before. I forgot what it was
going to be, but I knew it was going to
be something. Meanwhile, big surprise turn throws Rory for a loop.
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Paris convinces Roy to run as her student body vice president,
and we have a really special episode here. Written and
directed by Amy Sharn Palladino, also written by John Stevens.
All Right, so let's discuss Suki's wedding. Hey, they're choosing
music for the wedding. The opening, sukis Laurela to invite
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Emily and Richard, but then Lorelei tells him that it's they.
When she tells him, they say it's a pity invite,
which is some very funny stuff right there. Suki's up
in the middle of the night before her wedding, freaking
out about getting married. Lorelei calms her down by telling
her that she slept with well not at the wedding.
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Laurela and Christopher are happy. Everybody's happy, even Emily is glad,
and they're going to give it a try. In For me,
it was a stomach churning moment. H Rory turns around
and sees Jess. He tells her that he moved back,
(03:13):
and then Rory impulsively kisses him. Renie, there's a lot
going on in this thing, and she enjoyed the level.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Of drama upon me as it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Was happening again.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
It's been a long time. I've completely revisited it, like
it was a complete rewatch for me, like a new experience.
So I was really enjoying the newness of it, and
it was it was exciting. Trouble e way, you're comfortable.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You think Suki getting married has Loria reflecting on her
own love life?
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh and thought of that? Oh yeah, Laura is so
like well behaved as a human and such a mature
friend that she would never show that to Suki, which
is nice. They don't even address that, but yeah, your
average chick would probably feel that loss.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Mm hmmmm. Were you rooting for the moment when the
camera revealed Jess was standing there towards the end.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, it was, well, it was it was kind of
a like m m oh, okay, here this guy. All right,
It was kind of like that. It was like, I
don't know about this, But then it was like, but
it's kind of.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Interesting complications cute.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Well, you.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Like, we don't know how long we're going to have
this kid because another show is going to pick him up,
so we better use him. Yeah, at our top, right, right, Well,
that kiss they had, right, it's been a long time
coming to to the best of your recollection, Is that
the first time they've kissed it?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Right? Is it?
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I don't think I think it is. That's their first kiss? Maybe? Right?
Is it?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh, well that's a different Yeah, I admit to not
being fully up to.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I'm a chime in here. Does anybody know it's Yeah,
it's the first it's the first time they've kissed.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, that that adds another layer. Man, Rory, she's she's
she's not as frail as she looks.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
She's something. Well, it's been a long time coming. Yeah, interesting,
you think that's the moment and h Rory finally realizes
she's in love of them and couldn't hold back her feelings.
I mean that, what what else would that indicate?
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, Yeah, it's sort of a like my feelings are
bigger than moment. But yeah, the feeling has taken me
and she's in touch with that.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Definitely quarantine. Dean's looking good, he's acting good. He's a
good dude. Right man. He's taller, so it's not fair
because he's six'. Four he's a he's a drink of,
water isn't? He For god's? Sake and he's just going
to get left in the. DUST i feel bad for the.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Guy, well, look this girl's got.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Options she's got. Options they're coming out of the. Woodwork,
man they my. God all, right let's go To Looks.
Down laura finally makes, it and that's that's a pretty funny, scene.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So, cute and she's weaving back and forth.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Right, right, right that's good. Stuff and then she gets
in there and, she's you, know she has to be
parented by her own, Daughter like you're gonna do, fine
don't worry ABOUT i.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Know their dynamic is like really top like it's like
it's like so good in The, like my favorite with
between them is the beginning of the series because they're
just the most there's just so much like there's just
so much compatible humor between.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Them it's very.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Touching it's not like every day you see a mother
daughter like have that kind of compatible.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Humor, no just and this episode, ESPECIALLY i just the
zingers were flying in this. ONE i was laughing out
loud most of.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It, yeah there are a lot of just.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
World, yeah there were a lot of belly laughs in this. One,
Uh luke's kind of freezing her. Out what's that, About?
Ranie what's that? About what's he? Doing you think he's? Done,
no because he didn't smirk after she. Left you know
How jess always has a little smile after he does
some manipulations On. Rory he seems the same game.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That dry, humor, right that Dry.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Luke but but it's like it's Not it's, LIKE i
don't know what's he. Doing he's not giving it, away.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So i'm not, sure totally sure what happened beforehand she.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Did they got a huge they got a huge. Fight
they got a huge yelling match because of the car
accident with just driving The dean built a used car
that he gave To. Rory they're fighting by the, kids
they're fighting about The, yeah it was a big screaming
match at night in front of the diner and she
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says screw you and he goes screw. You but you,
know it was it was really. Bad it was really,
bad and they just sort of ended their. FRIENDSHIP i
mean they're not even speaking for for weeks and.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They're just friends right, now that's. It but they got
chemistry just popping off.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The, balls. Right but the thing, is is he? Done you?
Think does he seem like he's, Done like he's moved
on and, like oh, NO.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I think she's just being the bigger person in that
interaction and he's he's graciously kind of like he's like being,
gracious Like, OKAY i hear. You you're coming to me for,
peace And i'm taking that in and he's kind of
taking his time with. It that's my. Feeling that's that's
MY i think that's WHAT i.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Felt do you think he doesn't have the bandwidth to
even deal with it and? Her do you think he's
realizing this is this is just too much for?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Me well he's a little slower moving with the whole
movie getting over it. Thing but isn't that just men and?
Women like she wants to she wants to apologize openly
and make official, peace and he's, Like i'm interacting with.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
You he, is he's an. Iceberg he's.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Slow that tells you all you need to.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Know he's an. Iceberg he's. Slow he doesn't come around. Fast,
yeah he's Got he thinks about it a. Lot he's
not a. Talker he takes his. TIME i mean he, can,
yeah but he.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Doesn't seem angry in that interaction to. Me he just
kind of seems, like.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Right well.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Stressed, yeah, yeah, yeah it must be weird for, you
like analyzing, it but, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
No it's like a different. Person. Yeah well, yeah so long.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Ago it's so long, ago and it wasn't actually YOU i, know, RIGHT.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I can be, objected right.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Exactly but it's kind of funny to talk to you
about that.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Guy you, know what do you think is this push
him further away From laurala because he can't seem to
get back to where they were?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Before?
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Right?
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh does it push him away that he's not more
receptive to, her because.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
If you're not moving, forward you're moving, backwards right in these.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
THINGS i DON'T i don't remember it being like a
really like him shutting Her, okay so so she was,
like this, happened let's make, peace and he was just
kind of like, raw and she's, like, OH i Get
i've been left, right that's kind of what.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Happened he was Stone he wasn't even looking at her,
practically he was just stone walling the whole.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Thing, Okay, WELL i assume, That. LAURA i was, thinking
he just needs to he just needs a, Minute he
just needs a little, space and he'll get over, it
because obviously we both were screaming at each other about our.
Kids BUT i don't, know she seems like a pretty patient.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Person she is, actually isn't She she really.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Is, yeah she's really patient and forgiving and, yes realistic
ABOUT i THINK i don't. Know, well she's been through
she's already been through it with men quite, young in
a high stakes, setting and she's okay with. It she's
kind of like found. Out it seems like that holding
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onto the holding onto anything doesn't do her any good
because she's.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Got stuff to, do right, Rug polls don't bother. Her
she's been. Thrown, yeah you.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Don't get the sense that she freaks out.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Easily been, there done. That, yeah that's to just apologize
and apologize and apologize and hope for the best and.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Whatever, right she's done her, part and it's kind of
one of those reasons why she's such a fun, character
because she's not, boring but she's still kind Of OH
i could use a little of.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That not a reactive, person right, right.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
All, Right Now luke goes, upstairs she's just. THERE i love.
This i'm. Sweet, YEAH i like the. Scene, YEAH i
forgot about this. SCENE i forgot about this. Scene So luke, is,
uh you, know what are you doing? Here what are
you doing? Here what'd you think of this? Scene this
back and?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Forth, well, YEAH i MEAN i liked it was An
it was a window Into luke because he's this is
how he acts when he's, hurt like get out of,
here kind of like he just was With. LAURA i,
like just no. Reaction but then it's like obvious he was.
Hurt it's like you didn't you didn't do it either
(13:06):
you you didn't call me or, whatever you didn't reply
to my. Call and and then he's just like it
was so moving When jess was, like So i'm going
to stay, here and he's just like doesn't do. Anything
but you can see how. Excited he is very sweet
that he misses, him even though he acts all, gruff
but he just loves this. Guy you, know you can
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see the love in those Little this is the a
Nice this is HOW i like that the show has
the moments towards the men because they sort of separate.
SOMETIMES i feel like there's the girls and there's the,
boys and the way that the it shows how how
men are vulnerable and it's not the. Same so it
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was just a really, sweet, vulnerable realistic male moment and
it must be, awful like it's kind of. That it
was like sucteinct in that. Moment you, see, gosh how
hard it is for him not to be with his
son and why his son isn't with. Him you kind of,
see well you don't see why his son isn't with,
(14:12):
him but you just see that like they're not that,
close but that there's a loss there and a desire
for both of.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Them he Just luke needs to be respected and he
wants to play and he and he wants to be
there for that. Boy you, know he really feels it
because That's jesus last. Chance there's nobody in his life
that's going to pull him out of his train wreck
of his. Life, yeah so there's real compassion. There.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah it's so quickly shown with so little, exposition so few.
Lines it's nice well.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Done now this episode is just so well. Written, gosh
is so taut and it's just so beautifully. Written, yeah
this Is amy at her. Best this is, like this
is like a chest hitting it out of the. Park,
agreed boy, man.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Agreed it was, Lovely.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It really, was all. Right so let's get To rory In.
Paris hilarious stuff of, them you, know and their dynamic
And paris at her best and her worst at the
same time at the same.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Time, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
But performance, wise just the whole thing was just so.
Great all. Right, so So paris is running for student body.
President she makes that you, Know mussolini like.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Speech, yeah camera shotscreen, angle like all, serious.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Right, right, right it was you, know they took SOME
i THINK i Think amy took some inspiration as a
director From. GOD i think the, candidate you, know was
It redford and the early seventies or something late. SIXTIES
i haven't.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Seen, okay but it's like a it's like a suspense
death government, movie right.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, yeah but it was just there's some some great camera. Shots,
yes but she makes a speech and then it was,
like you, know, crickets she sits, down she's she's not.
Happy if you, know if they, win they they. Both
if she, wins she gets to spend six weeks In
washington and some junior leadership. Internship, Okay and then at the,
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Wedding paris Calls dean to talk To, rory hands over
the phone to Tell rory they won And rory is
the vice. President she will be vice. President so If
paris is assassinated or falls, ill Then rory will be the.
President love love the, guilting the guilt, speech, like, hey
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you know you want this to be the thing that
doesn't get you Into harvard when you would have lived
your whole life regret and you're gonna be In Connecticut
state and you could have been At.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
HARVARD i, know you see the wheels of greatness turning
In paris's, head like you see the master manipulator just.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
By so Obviously paris is, insecure she doesn't know what
she's gonna. Win she Needs. RORY i liked.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
HOW i liked. That it's like there's that kind of
poignant moment in a young woman's life when, like you
realize that life isn't, fair but you didn't know that.
Before so it's, Like i'm the, BEST i have the
(17:40):
best to. Offer i'm doing the best. Work and then it's,
like but that's not what people want from. You that's.
Hard that's a hard pill to swallow from someone who
cares so. Much SO I i related to. THAT i liked.
THAT i thought that was that was sweet and made
(18:00):
me like her more.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Basic human. Psychology it's tough growing. Up what a funny
scene that she pulled well in two, areas but in, Likability, no.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
The two cutest girls on the planet just.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Like, right, yeah like and Then paris, says, uh you, Know,
louise get on that right away like.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Hers it's just it's it's.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Weird and, right like create a, scandal create a scandal
with the other male, candidate bring them, DOWN i.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Know and then she's just like she's back to being
ruthless and.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Right i'm on. It oh my.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Gosh so it's like these moments where, YOU i like
how they make you care about, her and then you're, Like,
okay she's all, right she doesn't need my concern at.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
All, right, Exactly so it looks like opposites are attracting
here with these. Two ah, yeah a relationship made in. Heaven.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah They it's Like paris really Respects rory and is
just kind of feel sorry for. Her But i'm sure
she respects some things about. Her but like it's it's
kind of they definitely have certain interest in. Common it's it's.
(19:23):
Sweet they need each other in a, way Like rory
gets to sort of, WELL i Think roy just feels,
bad but that matters to. Her she has to be
a good. Person that's like important to her to not
make people feel.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Bad rory is To paris As luke is To. Jess
a lot of. Compassion there a lot of.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Chaos, yeah she's like her.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Parent yeah, yeah somebody's got a, razor, Right.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah that's that's a good. Point it is a sort
of yeah, caretaker yeah, yah which is sweet too because
they're just little little. Ladies they're little, kids and it's
like it's like it's also it's also real for, them you,
know it's a big. Deal all of, it all.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
These, dynamics all, Right laura And. Christopher there was a
lot Of, christopher a lot Of LAUREL i in THIS
i can't be objective, Here but what did you think of? This?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
WELL i like my first thought was how Sweet laura
And christopher were as, Friends that they have an obvious
physical chemistry just based on the, past but that they
were both kind of okay with, it like they could
rise above. It when he was spoken for in the
beginning and And LAURA i was just, LIKE i don't,
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know she was just his, friend but there was a
really nice energy between, them and it just seemed like
they were kind of nailing the whole co parenting the.
Best it was like the best scenario because they were
both just being they were both coming from a place
of thinking the best of each. Other and then the,
(21:08):
CHEMISTRY i could see how that would happen because they
do have, chemistry and there is the, past and he just.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Seems to, me does he seem to you like he
he comes off so much younger Than. LAURA i, yeah
so less, capable so much. YOUNGER i, MEAN i know
the same, age but he comes off like, he's you,
know five to seven years, younger and.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
He's, yes well he's the guy that he. Was he hasn't, changed, right.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Right that's the that's the immature.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Guy, yeah and she's always loved him because of their
nice chemistry and because of the good vibes between, them
but he always lets her down because that's how he.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Is, yeah this is a big one.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Thought oh, YEAH i was, like oh and he had
to do it? Right why she walks down the, Aisle
that's like it couldn't wait ten? Minutes. Whoa that's when
you really Respect LAURA, i because she's just, Like, okay
have a great. Baby, wow that's a sure.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Lady right? Right what else can you? SAY i, mean
these guys are, now they're. Intimate you, know they're together.
Again everybody's.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Happy everybody's so. HAPPY i Mean rory just like The
Rory park is, like why did they make this huge
announcement like one day after they got together for one?
Night like that seemed a little. Premature they could have
waited a. Minute there was that like they made this
huge national announcement at the, Wedding like, WELL i mean
(22:45):
they told several people where it's like it could be
wise to take a little. Time BUT i guess they
just were. BOTH i Think LAURA i was the one
who was just like so. Trusting she had to get
hurt again to sort of slow. Down, maybe but he's
just the one who's like more impulsive. Anyway. Maybe. Well oh,
(23:08):
yeah it was Very it didn't feel. Unrealistic though it
felt like things like, this it seemed like it wasn't like.
Unbelievable it was just more. Information mm.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Hm tough to. Watch whole thing was tough to.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Watch but that's why it was so hard to, watch
because it was like you could see the best and
the worst of. EVERYBODY i, mean he didn't just like
change his mind for no. Reason it was a legitimate.
Reason he just didn't handle it too.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Well it's just such A i, mean his his. Character you,
know it's LIKE i, know he's not. Cheating he's like
With LAUREL, i which you know he gets he gets
a pass for for some reason because It's LAUREL, I.
Right everybody Wants laurela to be, happy so they have
(23:56):
this blind. Spot, yeah what does can pontentially do to? Her?
Again and this guy he just when she, said when
he turned around for the last time and looked at
her and he was depressed that he had to leave
because his girlfriend was pregnant with his. Kid oh, yeah
so he's got so. Much how do you how do
(24:20):
you even come. Back, wow, guy go take care of your.
Kid you got a baby, coming you. Know oh my,
God oh, terrible, terrible. Terrible that was.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Awful but that's a big, episode.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
So, right you have to have.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It, yeah and it makes you love lauralit, more which is.
COOL i, mean it's just, deeper it goes deep. Whatever but,
YEAH i did want to punch him in the. Face
BUT i wanted to punch him in the face immediately
because he was just a little too familiar WITH i don't,
KNOW i just, well you worry right away that he's
(25:00):
being a little irresponsible when he's, like should we just
make out on this?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Couch right when he sat down with the arm and
then she leaned back on his, arm and it was, like,
whoa this is a little too much, hair right too.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Fast you, worry, RIGHT i MEAN i worried right. Away
but THEN i was, like, well, look they really care
about each, other AND i, mean this is how these
things sometimes, happened so maybe and then it's like and
then they sit down and talk about it and it
all looks really of off, board and the worry was
the right. One but she would never have, KNOWN i,
(25:34):
guess because they hadn't really revisited this since What roy was.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Born, YEAH i. GUESS i, mean haven't they flirted? AROUND
i can't even, remember don't. Know it's like this guy's
always digging, around, right and he's looking for an, opportunity rooting,
around showing, up.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Just showing up and rooting, around.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Showing up in his, shirts my.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Shirts look at, ME i have a. Shirt look at.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Me i'm. Back it's on. Touck i'm. Casual, Now i'm so.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Casual i'm amazing Because i'm even here at. All, like
And rory's also so mature because she's just like so
kind with him and expects, nothing but she's so happy
for what he has to. Bring she's just a really
lovely little child of. Divorce you, know we're not.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Divorce you, know we skipped over that one scene THAT
i thought was so. Funny you, know they went To
friday night dinner And emily was offended at the when's
(26:56):
the wedding a week from? Now she, Could, oh so
it's a pity. Invite so the whole pity invite thing was.
Great and Then Laurel laurelai trying to change the. Subjects
this isn't doesn't.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Again it was like you see all, that like how
they they work together as a, team as a, Team
richard And emily worked together as a team because they're
both like right on the same page. Too he's like
that was a pity in, Fight they're, like, wow they're
really hooked up, Too like it's, nice it's kind of.
Sweet everybody's so close in their. Corners it.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Was it was very funny When emily showed up at
the wedding And laurela's questioning, her And emily, says, well
it would have been equally as rude not to show
up knowing that we didn't have anything else to. Do
that's called rising, above but be condescending her own daughter
(27:53):
by saying that's called rising.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Above so fun she really.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Is and so pretty and like put. TOGETHER i just
like WHENEVER i see her after not seeing her for a,
while and she's so pretty and, right everything is just
you just like where of me wants to be like,
that you, know and so just.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Spicy is there a part of you that wishes that
That lorela had fought harder instead of just sort of
accepting it and being so classy about, it you?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Know The christopher thing, no, no The christopher, thing or
does that make her look?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
BAD i think your average woman would have at least
thrown a little, tantrum made it about, herself and possibly
drawn this focus from the bride and felt stupid about it.
Later so she did the best. Thing she just. Had, like,
really maybe she's been through enough that she knows and
(28:53):
maybe maybe it's just Being emily's. Daughter she knows how
to how to have dignity in the face of. Indignity
but uh, NO i. DON'T i. DON'T i think she
knows him well enough that and she doesn't want him
there because she yelled at. Him she wants him there
(29:14):
because he wants to be, there and she wants to
let him maybe have the consequences of his own, choices so,
that you, know let him say with that without her
harping voice in his ear to. Blame, NO i doubt
that was. WHAT i doubt that was really her forethought about.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
It but you, know here's a. Thought maybe she didn't
fight for him because she knew in her heart of
hearts that he was not capable of balancing his own
family and also being there For, rory so she just
gave him. Up it's like just go do that because he.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Leaves confirmation of her, fear her worries maybe right, right
it's like maybe he's. Changed and then she's, like oh,
god she hasn't.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Changed, right same old.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Guy, Yeah and he says to, her you KNOW i.
DIDN'T i wasn't here for. Worry it's just like that's
the whole. Point but she's, like that's, Okay i'd be
there for someone else's. Baby but, okay you, know it's
like ouch, ouch and she didn't show, it so you.
Don't it's almost like you feel her pain more because she.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Didn't you. Know he just is not good at, life is?
He he's he's not very good at. Life so there they,
are both women are women are standing there heartbroken over
what just.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Happened OH i.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Know just then they start stepping toward the. Wedding it's
a it's a contrast that is uh quite beautiful for
a season. Finale oh, yeah it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Was it was sort of like the in the sadness
moment mixed dramatic.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Moments. Funny where would you rank this in your season
finale FOR tv, shows other shows that you're fond? Of
what do you think of this as a.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
SEASON i can't think of a single other season well
CAN i nothing's coming to mind of a season finale in.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Particular but those are had some good ones you See
did you see?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Those AREN'T i don't remember IF i saw a. SEASON
i saw some, episodes BUT i don't have a memory
of the SEASON i, REMEMBER i don't. Know it's like
a really bad, memory like very shoddy pieces of. Memory
so WHAT i can say is that it's up there
now and and there's really nothing wrong with it in my.
(31:44):
Opinion SO i don't think we'll say season finales or
any episode. EVER i don't think things that you that
feel like they were really just spot on are, common
and so it's hard to it's nice to really give
credit to that because it's sort of like hard to
(32:05):
imagine how difficult it is to really pull that off
because so much isn't good.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Well whether whether it's a finale or. Not it. Was
it was one of my. Favorites great episode executed on every.
Level just just a great one to rewatch and rewatch.
Anyway it was a delight to have you back. On thank,
you please come back again and again and again you thank.
You your comments and insight is deep and Welcome Renie. Bell,
(32:35):
Everybody thank you and remember best fans on the. Planet
thank you totally for all of your, downloads, cards and.
Letters keep them coming and remember where you, lead we will.
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