August 11, 2025 • 42 mins
You may recognize her from the legendary soap opera Days of Our Lives, Patrika Darbo joins Scott to recap Season 2 E15 “Lost and Found”
Luke and Lorelai are fire and ice in this episode, but which scene made Patrika yell at her TV?
Plus, hear the hilarious thing Patrika did to land a small role in Gilmore Girls.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Am all in again. Oh, let's I am all
in again with Scott Patterson in iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey Everybody,
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Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast one eleven productions,
iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcast Season two, episode fifteen, Lost and
Found Episode recap with somebody who I know You are
familiar with. Patrica Darbo as an actress and producer with
a career spanning over four decades countum four. She is
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known for her roles in soap opera's like Days of
Our Lives, Bold and Beautiful, and was most recently in
a new movie Lulu. She had a fabulous guest appearance
on Gilmore Girls as a waitress in season two episode twenty.
Help Wanted, but it is here today? Recap Season two,
episode fifteen. As I just stated, Lost and Found, Patrica, welcome,
(01:05):
Thank you. Let's do a synopsis. Jess, Luke and Jess
start to feel cramped by all the stuff overtaking their
small apartment. Roy tries to convince Laura La to hire
Jess to clean out out there rain gutters. Meanwhile, De
notices that Rory isn't wearing the bracelet he made for her.
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I want to ask you right off the top. You've
had such an amazing career, a part of so many projects.
How did disappearance in Gilmore Girls land in your lap? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I offered to pay for it me too. No, I
mean I did go to the audition, and at that
time it was an in person audition, and anyway, they said,
I said, I brought my checkbook. I'll pay for this role.
I mean, because I love the show as so many
fans have, and the fact that now we get to
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see the re runs it's even more fun. Yeah. Up, Yes,
I did offer. I guess I was the best or
maybe they did want to check me. I don't know,
But anyway, I got the part, so and I didn't
have to pay for it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
That is that's a really brilliant way to go into
a room, I think. I mean, it's either it's not
like sucking up. You use humor to say listen, I'll
pay you. That's just it's just such a compliment, right.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, I think so. And I think those kind
of auditions were so helpful in hiring. And I'm not
tooting mount hornor hiring the best because you knew right
away you wanted to work with me. Because I had
a sense of humor, and those in person things where
the producer was there and the casting director and people
could say, could you try it this time, but do this,
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pick up this or something. So those in person auditions
were so great other than just being here with a
camera acting to that camera there with nobody's there.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So yeah, I think it affects the overall quality of shows. Now.
They're not nailing the casting in a lot of situations.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I think. So it's you know, who's most popular, Well,
they might be most popular for this show, but not
for that show. So it's it's that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So yeah, Jess, boy, it's all anyway. Gilman Cuso directed.
Amy Sherman Palladino wrote this episode, we're going to talk
about rain gutters. The Gilmour girls needed their rain gutters
cleaned out. After Laura I gets are trying to clean
them herself, Luke suggests hiring Jess to clean them. Laura
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I agrees after Rory pleads were there to give Jess
a chance. Rory asked Jess why he is so short
with Laurelai, not why he is so short, but short
with Laura I. All right. She says that if he
cares about it all. He will be polite to Laura
I Jess smirks and asks, well, he's good at smirking.
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He's so good at all those little facial.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And you do want to slap sometimes, right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Jess smarks and asks Rory what makes her think he
cares about her?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Boy, I tell you a lot of angst in this show,
a lot of angst.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Let me ask you this, Patrika, have you ever had
a home improvement disaster? Do you relate to this to
his I'll just do it myself.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
The part of it, yes, I've related that where you
have to call somebody to come back in and fix
what you tried to do yourself. But I think finding
that I like ike in there was one of the
funniest things, cleaning out that cutter.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That was fun right, that was funny. Laurela is not
a fan of Jess. Why do you think or what
do you think Rory sees in jests that Laurelai doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think Rory sees the intelligence, the reading, the the
difference between one boy going to Lord of the Rings
and the other boy like, let's read this, you know,
And she's so in education, so it's very you see
what's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, I think that one line she said to Dean,
you know, I'd see this movie one hundred times. We're
taking everything very literally literally. Yes, it was just sort
of that's the relationship in a nutshell, and you know
it's not going to work out if she's if she's
gonna snark him like that. You know, that's that doesn't
have long to go.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And it's kind of sad because you're so attached to
the characters, especially you know Laurie. I mean she's she's
everybody's daughter friend, thing like that, and you don't want
her to see it get hurt. And you do see
the that last scene I think when Laurli goes after
him about you know, this is the most precious thing
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to her and then he stops her. Well, she lost
her for two weeks before she noticed. Maybe you got
to I mean you go, oh, the writing on the walls,
come in here. This is not good.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, I don't blame Laurla. I mean, I mean, this
is a daydangerous kid anyway. It's like that, that's a
dangerous kid for anybody's daughter. And whether it's you know,
an unwanted pregnancy or whether it's you know, actual physical
harm because this guy didn't take care of something and
(06:17):
there's a car accident, which I think has got Yeah,
I mean she's just being a mama bear.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean I think that, and I think at times,
because of her age, I think she relates to that
hurt herself, you know, being that sixteen year old and
so in love and then having somebody throw shade on
it is not a good thing, right, But I like
to talk about you, Snehi.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Do you really think Rory likes the attention from Jess.
I think she does, right.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean I think she is. I think she likes
the fact that they can sit and talk for hours
about a book and talk about education or just a
particular author that they both like, whereas Lord of the
Rings is so is starting to make her look at
things different.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, mother, Jess and larel I are butting heads. Do
you think it's a little inappropriate, maybe on moralized end
or I think she validated. I think we talked about this.
I think she has every right and to call him
a little jerk. Sure he was being a little jerk.
He was being disrespectful to.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
You know, but I think I think when Rory talks
about the fact about the bracelets missing and hears all
that going on, that he realizes that that she she's
really hurt. I mean, the mere fact that he would
take it. I think it shows that he doesn't quite
like Dean.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So mm hmmm, yeah, he's just he's you know, all's
fair in love and war?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right, Yeah, well, I think so. But I think Dean
hasn't read orn Vice or anything, so it's gonna be
kind of weird going on there.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Right right, Well, Roy gets a little embarrassed and stumbles
on her words when Jess as why she thinks he
cares about her, and then she walks away.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And I think, yeah, I think that's the teenage thing
where she doesn't know how that's the you know, where
it's easy to talk to Deane because Dean doesn't is
not that biting talking back and forth and education all mean,
all the books and stuff they've read, and suddenly this
man that she really kind of likes, but she still
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loves Dean. There's that difference. And anyway, I think that
that that's that teenage angst that well, I don't even
care for me that way. I mean, like like like
you would care for a puppy you know that that
you know, that kind of thing. She doesn't know exactly
how to handle it. And remember too, I mean, Dean
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is really the first person she's dated, right, you know,
so m just.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Like uh, comparison comes to mind between Dean and Jess.
Dean seems very structured. He wants to do this, and
then he wants to do the movie, and then after
that they can go do this and do you want
to do that Rory, and she yes, sure, let's do
that structure. And Jess is more kind of like, you know,
anything goes, you know, it's a sea of possibilities with Jess, right,
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isn't it good or bad? But therein lies the excitement.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I think it's the difference between let's go to college
together and let's start a business and someone who says, honey,
I'm home, what's for dinner? Right, It's those that economy
between the two of them. Let's you know, get on
the back of my bike and let's go to Big
Bear for the weekend. And no, no, no, no, no,
this is what we have planned, Pete. So on Friday
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night we're gonna have Chinese, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Right, All right, well, let's go on to Luke's apartment hunting.
There's a lot of Luca this, a lot of Luke
in this episode, a lot of Luke rants. This was
particularly Ranti Luke this episode. He's struggling to adjust to
Jess moving into a small apartment and Jess go hunting
for a new place. Luke calls Lorelei for a second
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opinion on her apartment. He's really frustrated. He doesn't know
what to do. The realtor refers to Luke to then
they go and see the apartment and Luke is referred
to by the realtor's lorealized husband, So they do that
funny little bit and she goes along with it. This
is why it was so great working with her. She
had such freedom in what she did, and she had
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so much fun. She's so good at comedy, you know,
and her timing is just like you know, well.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think that's one of the nicest things about the
show in general, is that everybody it is connected in
such a way because you know what she's going to say,
she knows what it's like this and I think that's
Amy's writing and the christness of it. Back and forth
like that, but the timing for both of you delivering
those lines. As an actor, it's boom boom.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It was exciting.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yes, I mean, and you're like, what's going on and
the little quips that come in between, and I can't
think of any right this moment, but this like, okay,
fish for dinner and I don't know where she pulls
face nowhere? You know, Okay, you can put curtains, what
you'll get hot, No, we won't do this. You like,
you do need two bathrooms, that kind of thing. So
it's but it was all just very timing wise.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Great, great, Yeah, that was always the challenge, and the
writing did kind of I'm not I don't. I don't
want to say it made it easy, but it made
it a lot easier.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, I think so there are times as actors
you can say you can learn lines faster when they're
they're like you speak to one another versus how you
read something like that and I'm sorry I cut you off.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, no, no, no, go ahead, We're here to listen
to you.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I think the quistness of the writing again is like that,
but again the delivery has to be there. And it's
one of those shows that everybody wanted to do, but
everybody was afraid of the audition because what's the timing
of my character yet, because I don't know her yet.
You know, mine is like giving us the little coffee
cup when I did the thing, which was a dema task.
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But you serve a fish bowl for them. So but
it's that kind of thing. So when you went to audition,
you were like, oh god, oh god, maybe I should
just pay for this. It's great.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, Laura like and visus Luke to sign the lease.
She tells him to be open to the opportunity more
and adds that if he wants to take a lady
friend home, he's going to need a bigger place. Well,
Luke's just trying to do a good thing by getting
dressed himself more privacy. But but Jess continues with the
bad attitude. Do you do you feel bad for Luke
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at this point?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't feel bad for Luke. I mean I am
as a viewer and as a as a woman, I'm
like going like this, what are you talking about? Other women?
What are you talking about? What are you? Are you
out of your mind? What's fazy part? You know? But
then again that's how their friendship is. It's like their
friends first so everybody was always hoping that that was
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you're the pair and stuff like that, though you're you
know different. I mean, it's kind of like ice and heat.
There's no way that you got especially especially when you
ordered that Sunday and that didn't eat it because of
you're frustration about that. I mean, there were so many
cute things in there about that, but you're as a
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as a viewer and a fan. I'm screaming, what are
you talking about? Other women? We just got rid of
that other one.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, you can really feel the Luke's frustration through the
screen about the apartment and what a message is and
his struggle to find a new one. Can you relate
to this kind of frustration, Patrika?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, I could probably show you my dining room table
right this moment. You know, my frustration about where is
this called? What's that? Why did the dogs would get
here so soon? I got to find place? So yes,
I could relate to that. I as much as I
have a clutter around like this, Nothing like that room
that he was sleeping in and how he slept with
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that music is another thing for me. And I have
to tell you the little black and white television with
the coat hangar things. I mean, I don't think kids
remember rabbit ears are putting, you know, tenfoil and things.
There was just such a lovely little touch of who
you are.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
That was everybody's college dorm room when I was in college.
It's the tiny little TV with the rabbit ears and
the tinfoil that you'd.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Worked all summer long to pay for so you could
bring it.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Right exactly, Why do you think, Patrika, and I'm really
interested to hear your opinion on this. What makes this
on screen loc and Loreli relationship so compelling? Why is
it so compelling? Besides the right, I.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Think it's because, again, your total opposites and opposite to attract.
I mean, like this and as the outsider looking in
for me, I'm going, would you both open up your eyes?
What's wrong with you? But at the same time, the
other part of me's going, oh, this friendship is too
perfect to ruin my grandmother, to be ashamed to spoil
(15:21):
two houses with you. So you know it's that kind
of thing fire and ice again, though you want it,
you know that it be disastrous.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right right? Potentially disastrous?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, I mean yeah, I guess because we can't see
the future. But again, though every part of you goes
you want them together, but you don't want them together.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I don't know how many guys out there wish they'd
taken their shot, right, you got to take your shot.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, I think so. I think other people find that
they you know, they screwed up. And I don't know
if Laura lies, if she's sown enough. No, it's because
she was sixteen when she had Laurie and she's become
a mother, so she's never a nightclub and done all
this stuff, though they did some, you know, I'm sure
she had a few dates and stuff out there before
this happened, but her parents are not, Let's go to
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the car hop at night, Like, what is a hot dog?
I've never had? What is that? You know, all those
different things that happened in the show.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
How she went to the she went from the country
club to Stars Hollow, yep.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And I'm all the better for it, yep. But I
think there's a sadness, not in this particular episode, but
the sadness about she missed out on a lot of stuff,
and I think that's some of the resentment between her
and her mother.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You know, Rory's bracelet, how did this come off to you?
Did you think that they were making too much out
of the bracelet, they were just trying to get too
much milk out of this cow?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, not really, I mean for me, I mean sometimes
you can, but basically I think it was the well
Roy's if you care for me to one gentleman, I mean,
she's confused, but at this point that meant the world
to her. And as a young woman myself, which I
have to go by my feelings, if I had something
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that my boyfriend gave me and suddenly I couldn't find it,
I would be just like Rory. I would be throwing
things around trying to find it. I mean just my
house would be spotless because I would go through every
newk and cranny to find it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I mean I remember losing a charm one time that
a friend, not a boyfriend, had given me and I
was devastated. That charm meant a lot to me, and
it meant a lot to her to give that to me.
So I don't think so as a teenage girl, no,
that reaction is perfect, okay, mister no teenage boy? Fine,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
When she said that line to Dean at the book fair,
that you. I see, we're taking things quite literally. Yes today, Okay.
To me, that meant that she was over it. She
was bored. I don't know how she can say that
even under her breath, and it was and it was
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kind of loud enough for him to hear it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, but I think she intentionally said it, and I
think that that's that's it's kind of an awakening, awake,
an awakening for her.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well why is she? But the thing is starting to interrupt,
But it's almost an opportunity to to fan the flames
with the Rory Jess thing. If she doesn't care so
much about looking for the bracelet and her mother and Laura,
I notices that, why don't you care? You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, I can look at it. I can look
at it that way. The fact that she she's wanting,
she's seeing a different light and Dean that has always
been there, but this is the first time she's really
kind of thought, this is my life. Watching Lord of
the Rings every episode every Friday night or and Saturday
night too, We'll watch the neck outlet. So but at
the same time, she still cares for him a lot,
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and I think losing the bracelet was like almost facing
the fact that there is a difference sixteen. Yeah, you know,
you know what I'm saying. In other ways, why am
I so attached to my bracelet and stuff like that?
When he wants to watch I think there's a lot
of teenage inks going through there. It's things that I
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think the show was so nice, in the fact that
everybody was on their cell phones all the time, and
you know that people were sitting down at the dinner
table talking to one another, and even you know, tonight
we're gonna eat things you don't even want to know about,
sitting on our sofa watching this movie we've watched twenty times,
Mother and Daughter versus.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean, really, if you were to create a modern
television show that depicted real life, it would people be
sitting around looking at their phones.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And every single okay, yeah, okay, I to my it would.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Be yeah, nobody talks to one another.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Of course, at this point, everybody talks with abbreviations, and
you can't figure out what the hell's going on. And
I'm an older woman though I look damn good, but
I understand any of this stuff. I had to call
emergency going. I can't get in I can't get in
while I was three minutes early but late according to
my phone. But anyway, now it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
We know Jess took the bracelet from the bridge when
Rory dropped it, and laurle I catches him coming out
of Rory's bedroom, so she knows he planted it back
in there after getting a case of the guilts, and
she confronts him.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
About it, and deservedly, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And he asked Laurlai how the bracelet could be so
important to Rory if it took her two weeks to
notice it was gone. Yeah, that's like boom, and he says,
he to Laurela, you might want to reevaluate how madly
in love Rory is. And that's when orl I kind
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of gets edgued with.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
She gets edgi with him at that point, but she can't.
I mean I think she's I think his attitude, the
way he is has turned her off from the very beginning.
I mean, his sharpness, he's no wanting to talk, his
you know, glib tongue and what did he say when
he came out of the shower or something, by my
hair just wouldn't puff today or something. It's all about
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him leaving the house still a mess, and I quite
don't know why you were putting up with it. But
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, he's you know, everybody's abandoned him. He's had to
raise himself and he's not doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But at the same time, I mean, I think books
are his escape place, a safe place, and then to
find Rory's read the same books and stuff and somebody
he can sort of talk to about here read this
book and she goes, oh, well, thank you very much.
If the book becomes the bracelet, if that makes any sense,
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I mean I think that truly, that book. It means
the world to her that she just got and the bracelet,
and she's she's in this position right now, not knowing
which way to jump.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So Laurala I asked Luke if he thinks anything is
going on between Justin Rory. Luke says he doesn't. Nobody
thinks worry would be great for you. Yes, yes, well
you know, Dean seems to be nagging Rory about her
every move in this episode. What do you think about
this relationship?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Very controlling, very controlling, and that again like honey, I'm home,
what's for supper? Where are my slippers? You know, that
kind of stuff. I mean a little his way of
thinking is a little old fashioned. And again he'd rather
watch a movie than read a book. So I mean,
I think the whole thing where he talks about the fact, no,
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fifteen minutes you were over there, but it's been two
hours I've been sitting here, you know. And then when
she points out the fact that there's observatory books, the
science books over here, she hadn't even looked at yet,
and he says, go ahead, and well, then we'll watch
Lord of the Rings and then we'll do this. So
he's bartering at the same.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Time, What advice would you give Jess to get Rory's attention?
What do you think you should do at this point? Wow?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I mean that's more. That's more of it. That's kind
of a question for you. As as the male thing here.
For me, I think he needs to stop with the
smart ally key things and be honest about feelings and
it's coming. But I think he's so closed off. He's
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afraid to get there's a fear of getting too attached
to Rory, even though he's trying everything in his power
to sort of break up. So he can ask her out.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
How about if he wrote a poem about Rory and
gave it to her, that that'd be a move, right.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
That would be a good bye Dean moves.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That would be a good the pub of the poem
as weapon. All Right, Taylor drops the bomb that he
owns the building that Luke wanted to rent from. And
isn't Michael Winners just wonderful?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Isn't he just he's the best I'm gonna have plates?
Who wants to plate? You can't have that sign there
with the plates?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I mean right? And that he wants to buy the
flower shop next to Luke's diner. Luke's just like lulling
a gasket at this point.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Uh well, the fact he wants his father's hardware sign
turned down kind of shows who Luke is too. He
likes that, I think the the familiarity of family, and
that's that's something that's never coming down unless he's dead
out front with the other sign hanging office, there's no
way you're gonna give that sign up ever. Yeah, but
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I love the fascist I'm going It's unbelievable. You know.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Luke just eventually buys the building and puts the hole
through a wall in his apartment tells j just this,
this is real and and it's I love when laural
I opens the door and Luke says, I just spent
one hundred thousand dollars. It's all year, it's your fault.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But after this whole rating and ranting like this, would
you like some tea.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Right right right right now? But it's like, you know again,
the writing is so delicious. It's a full meal. Those
scenes were so much fun, not not just to read
and table read, but to rehearse them because you know,
you it's God, I miss that show. I miss working
(25:51):
at that level, you know, because you don't get that
you know, it just it just doesn't come around very often.
And man, just such a pleasure to.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's little things like Kurt sixty two cents get out
of here, Kurt, right, I mean those little subtle things
like that that go in and out of that whole
thing and back to where it. So the I like
Ike button in the when did you last clean these?
I found out like I like Ike? So we just
clever little things like that. And the funny part about
it is half of the audience probably didn't know who
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Ike was.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Right, have you Patrika, have you ever made a spur
of the moment purchased like that, like Luke.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Did off on a pair of shoes that went like, hello,
don't walk away, come back here, look at me at colors. Yes,
I've done that, going yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Uh, I know what that's like. But Luke buys the
whole building for him and Jess to have more space.
What do you think about the love shown through frustration
throughout the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, I mean, it's that whole thing, and you also
see how he did it on the spur of the moment.
Yet somewhere in the back of his mind he was
not taken down his dad's signs and he didn't want
stinky plates next door to right whatsoever. It's just everything
weaves together. That's I think that's her amy, the fact
that it's a glib everything is sharp dialogue wise. But
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then also the characters are so interwoven that you you
recognize everybody and you're going, where's the guy that sings
on the street, And let's not talk about Miss Patty
driving back there with a cigarette and hand one two
the way we go, you want your bady gone, light
me up, Light me up. I mean just the whole
town that she created was just incredible and missed and missed.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
But let me ask you this funny behind the scene
moments on the set.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Do you remember anything, No, I just remember being terrified
that I was. I mean, it truly isn't when you're
when you're coming into a show that you First of all,
the first thing you do as a supporting actor coming
into a show is you go, please God, let these
people I love be nice. That's the first thing. And
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of course working with the two ladies, they were darling.
Everything was great, the crew and stuff. We didn't get
to have any interaction and stuff like that, but it
was basically the astonishment of the waitress and that's my episode,
so we don't want to talk about that. But I
was terrified through the whole thing that I was going
to do something wrong or something. You know, that kind
of thing you go like, you're always saying yourself, I'm talented, crave, intelligent,
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I can handle this, and then you get on the
set and you go brain dead or you're like, so like,
my god, okay, my line is coming. My line is coming.
It's almost time. Hi there. That's kind of things like that,
But nothing really because we had a very short, nice
little fun scene, so we really didn't have anything going
on behind us at this point. I think those are
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the fun. You probably have more to share about what happened,
especially knocking a hole in that wall, because I'm sure
that was one take.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So one of my favorite scenes to shoot. Because we
never we talk so much. You never got to do
a lot of things. You never love got to do actions,
and that was an action, you know, something to do.
I just enjoyed that scene, and I love how they
cut it together, and I love the music they chose,
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and it was just a really fun scene to watch.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Well, even I mean when when she's trying to convince
you that you need apartment to go the mere fact
that now you've bought the building. Because that interaction with Taylor,
I mean, the writing is so crisp, and you really
got some good ranting. I guess those are the best.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I don't know if you, I don't know if you
could have dealt with lanting, ranting Luke every single episode,
but every once in a while it's It's It's fun,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
But I think that I think your character is so
fun because you're like a curmudgeon, but you're not get out.
We're closed now, finish up, get out time with you people.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So those kind of things that you do just a
typical Northeastern dude.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Maybe maybe not Northeast, you'd be net Waffle.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Trust me, typical Northeastern dude. I grew up with guys
like that. Well, look, let's talk about your career, starting
so many series, and you're most famously known for roles
in sitcom Step by Step Days of Our Lives. What
would you say have been the highlights of your career.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Oh, well, one of the biggest highlights was I had
done a stage production at a ninety nine seat theater.
It was called Theater Theater. It's on Coin I think
it's the bus stop now and there's a Methadone center
right across from it. Was very interesting doing our little
theater production there for two years. We did Daddy's Dying
there and we took it to the Fringe Festival in
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Scotland and then I got to reprise my role in
the film, which got me a contract with ABC, and
so that was kind of the biggest highlight there. Second
would be working with John Malkovich and getting killed.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Oh wow. Yes, yes, in the line of Fire.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, that was really nice. Wow, and uh, that was
one of those movies that your mother called you five
minutes after she saw it because it upset her so much,
that death scene and stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Did you see him on Broadway?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I know I didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I have not, but oh boy, that was I have
to say.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know, we talked about a minute ago. You go,
please God, I'm going on the show. Let them be
nice people, and I do that every time I go there.
He was so wonderful. I was doing another stage show
and one of the little girls in the course was like,
grab me, let this one final get to meet. I'll
kill you like this. Anyway, I got permission to bring
her on and he talked while they were setting up
(31:53):
the kill scenes and stuff. He talked like for two
hours with this young girl who was a UCLA theater major,
about you know, back in Chicago, just everything. He was wonderful.
But then when it was time for him to go on,
it was like you just saw him turn into that character.
I mean, as watching another actor do that was was wonderful.
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So that was one of the highlights. And then I
didn't do any scenes with Clint, but he asked me
to be in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So from that thing, so it was I read for
in Line of Fire. I remember being very disappointed that
I didn't get the part.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I think they told me that they read over five
hundred william women for the role and I got the part,
and that it was the sensitivity, the like don't open
that door. I mean, to this day, I'll be in
a grocery store and I'll have people go generally older
mental to stop me and go, what the hell was
the dog tied up from? Why would you let him in?
(32:49):
It was a very hot, big highlight.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That was all man. What's what? Incredibly tragic scene that
was boy man.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Especially for the younger that was my roommate. This was
her first it was her first film and she spent
like two hours being slammed against that mental piece.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
But it was really a highlight.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I guess it was a like working with Eastwood. I mean,
I hear he's quick. He doesn't do a lot of takes,
he doesn't say action, he just says whenever you're ready, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And he also has the same crew or he had
the same crew all the time. And in fact, his crew,
the greens were the camera all that stuff, and the
camera crew were one family. And I'd worked with them
when we did Speed too, But he when we did
Midnight the Garden of Good and Evil, he just was
he said, this is what I want you to do,
(33:42):
blah blah blah. And I said, I asked him a question.
I said, wouldn't it be better since and going this way?
And then he went, yep, she's right, that's like this.
And then and I called him mister Eastwood and he
said that I could call me Clint little Darland. So
it's like that kind of thing. The things that I
remember that was fun.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
What a what a gifted director?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Just what a and lo the longevity of it, you know,
and you go back and watch the the old movies, that.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, unbelievable. Well, he loves filming. He wanted to be filmed,
He wanted to produce, direct, star, he wanted to be
out there on set all the time and make make
his art.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You know, I think he was always under budget, always
under time and everything, and uh trusted who he'd hired,
and trusted his crew terrifically and treated them very nicely.
Everybody was you know, that's I think a key is kindness,
in which we have very little of anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
So, well, that's the sign of a good leader who
you know, hires competent people, trust them to deliver a
product that exceeds their expectations and that's how it's done.
Or else you get the micromanagers that drive everybody crazy
and get you know, crap in return, you know, and
it's a bad set. So compare Gilmore Girls to other
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shows that you've been on. What's the difference reality?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I think for me, the Gilmore Girls, I mean everything
is like, oh, you come in, there's ankst. They're teenage
angst over here, and the parents are arguing over this,
and that's a typical kind of sitcom. You come into
Gilmore Girls and there were things that were going on
in life that you kind of looked at two ways
or laughed. You saw why LAURALI got the hell out
when you see these things with the mothers, the father
(35:33):
handing Rory the financial page, when the two the Laura
II and the mom are having dissertations. I think it's
the fact that she hit political things, the fact that
how many people looked up the word fascist after seeing
it on the Gilmore Girls. It probably didn't learn it
in school. And what the hell is a fascist? You know,
that kind of thing. I think the intelligence of the series,
(35:57):
her writing, and the performances of course, that brought those
words to life. But I think that's kind of a
difference between that. And also if on other episodics, you're
you know, you've got a formula that they go by.
You never quite knew what the formula was going to
be on Girls, Where are we going today? And we
may have gone to fifty different things in and out
(36:17):
of that, both the different townspeople and things going on
in the neighbors, and it's it's that reality you kind
of went. I'd like to live in Stars Hall. I
don't care if everybody knows my business. I'd rather live there,
you know. But I also know I have a family there.
They'll take care of me if i'm there. I mean,
I think that's the whole thing about the family and
hollow is the is the camaraderie, the friendship, they're looking
(36:42):
out for each other. And then the nosy snoopy people
that want to change stuff because of what will we
do without Taylor?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Mm hmmm hmm. And the possibility of seeing Sally Strothers
on screen.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
My nemesis, my nemesis.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
All right, last question, we're running out of time. If
you could play any recurring role on the show on
Gilmore Girls, who would it be and why?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I think I would have to play a character with Suki's.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I was just thinking Suki's mom.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I could do that very well. I think older sister there,
I could be your mom, Okay, I don't care, and
be your grandma. I just want to part. But I mean,
you just when you think about the people that came
out of this show to go on to do other things.
I mean, Alexis winning an Emmy for that red Cape
(37:38):
and white hat. Yeah that I mean it kind of
makes me like this thinking about that show. But I
think Dean, you know, he went on to do a
teen different shows like this, Jared Pedalaki, and oddly enough
he was working with Jensen Acles, who came from Days
(37:58):
of Our Lives.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Oh yeah, they had a good run. Then. Whether they
do fourteen seasons or.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Something, fourteen or fifteen, I think yes. And then he
went on. Jared went on to do.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
What is it the Western Right They.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Czech Nurse remake thing and then Dean's got a new
one now called Countdown. I think, who does Jensen acles?
He has? Who is the partner? He has a new
thing called Countdown?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I think right this moment, well, those those guys are
always going to work, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I mean their first, their first there were heart throbs,
and they went everywhere. But look at v somebody say
his name for because I don't want to pronounce it wrong,
just his name in real life.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh Milo, I mean look at.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Him and what he's done. I mean, uh, And the
guest stars, and to round up just a great characters.
I'm sorry we didn't get to meet the what's her
face's mom? And now what's her faces? Going out of
my head?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Oh Laine Kim and missus Missus Kim.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I mean again, the writing, you know, and the great characters,
and I think that's what makes them.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It was.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
It was appointment television definitely, which you know, it came
really after a lot of appointment television, but this one
still was one nobody wanted to miss. And now we're
getting to watch it again and remembering that Chris writing
and the fun acting and everything.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
So well, Patrika, thank you for your time and your insights.
Please come back. We'd love to have you.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Back anytime, anytime. Are you in the show, I'll come back. Listen,
come on, mister producer, it's your own show. I'm available.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I'm trying, man, it's not easy.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Well, I live I live in Burbank and the Warner
Brothers tore down the entire ranch and now there's sixteen
new sound stages, a huge office building and a parking thing,
and I go, exactly, what's going on in there? Where's
the work?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Wait a minute, I'm sorry, Warner Brothers ranch.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Is update Warner Brothers ranch that you.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Used to be like a neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
It's just like there was a church team that there.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Was some funny, it was a whole set was shot there,
a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Everything went down and it's now like sixteen new sound
stages and a big, huge office building and they just
put two new office buildings Warner Brothers did on the
Burbank lot that used to be the old NBC lot.
And you go, like, why we're building all these sound stages,
where's the work? When is it coming back? What's happening
(40:42):
at you know, of course we're just getting ready to
come out of the hiatus. So maybe things will pick
up a.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Little bit, right, I hope. So well, what's you the best?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Thank you darling.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I wish you much work, much quality work back at you,
and it would be fun. It would be fun to
be on a series together or a film together.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So come on, people, make it happen.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
All the best and remember, best fans on the planet,
keep the cards and letters coming. Thanks for all the downloads.
Really appreciate the support of this podcast. It's growing every
week for the last four years, and it's just an
amazing testament to this fan base and how loyal and
great they are.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I think. And without our fans, what are we nothing?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, we ain't nothing. I mean we're something. We're people.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Well yes, but I just don't have these great jobs.
You know, we have great jobs and we do stuff.
But I think two we wouldn't have risen to this
without fans. I mean, I know a lot of the
daytime fans are some of the most incredible people, and
a lot of them have become friends because I've done
it for over twenty eight years. There twenty five so
again and this show had a big fan base. It's
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growing and of course you have love, so.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
All the best. Thank you Patrica, and remember everybody, where
you lead.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
We will follow.
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Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast one eleven productions,
iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcast Season two, episode fifteen, Lost and
Found Episode recap with somebody who I know You are
familiar with. Patrica Darbo as an actress and producer with
a career spanning over four decades countum four. She is
(00:43):
known for her roles in soap opera's like Days of
Our Lives, Bold and Beautiful, and was most recently in
a new movie Lulu. She had a fabulous guest appearance
on Gilmore Girls as a waitress in season two episode twenty.
Help Wanted, but it is here today? Recap Season two,
episode fifteen. As I just stated, Lost and Found, Patrica, welcome,
(01:05):
Thank you. Let's do a synopsis. Jess, Luke and Jess
start to feel cramped by all the stuff overtaking their
small apartment. Roy tries to convince Laura La to hire
Jess to clean out out there rain gutters. Meanwhile, De
notices that Rory isn't wearing the bracelet he made for her.
(01:28):
I want to ask you right off the top. You've
had such an amazing career, a part of so many projects.
How did disappearance in Gilmore Girls land in your lap? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I offered to pay for it me too. No, I
mean I did go to the audition, and at that
time it was an in person audition, and anyway, they said,
I said, I brought my checkbook. I'll pay for this role.
I mean, because I love the show as so many
fans have, and the fact that now we get to
(01:59):
see the re runs it's even more fun. Yeah. Up, Yes,
I did offer. I guess I was the best or
maybe they did want to check me. I don't know,
But anyway, I got the part, so and I didn't
have to pay for it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
That is that's a really brilliant way to go into
a room, I think. I mean, it's either it's not
like sucking up. You use humor to say listen, I'll
pay you. That's just it's just such a compliment, right.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, I think so. And I think those kind
of auditions were so helpful in hiring. And I'm not
tooting mount hornor hiring the best because you knew right
away you wanted to work with me. Because I had
a sense of humor, and those in person things where
the producer was there and the casting director and people
could say, could you try it this time, but do this,
(02:45):
pick up this or something. So those in person auditions
were so great other than just being here with a
camera acting to that camera there with nobody's there.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So yeah, I think it affects the overall quality of shows. Now.
They're not nailing the casting in a lot of situations.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I think. So it's you know, who's most popular, Well,
they might be most popular for this show, but not
for that show. So it's it's that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So yeah, Jess, boy, it's all anyway. Gilman Cuso directed.
Amy Sherman Palladino wrote this episode, we're going to talk
about rain gutters. The Gilmour girls needed their rain gutters
cleaned out. After Laura I gets are trying to clean
them herself, Luke suggests hiring Jess to clean them. Laura
(03:33):
I agrees after Rory pleads were there to give Jess
a chance. Rory asked Jess why he is so short
with Laurelai, not why he is so short, but short
with Laura I. All right. She says that if he
cares about it all. He will be polite to Laura
I Jess smirks and asks, well, he's good at smirking.
(03:55):
He's so good at all those little facial.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And you do want to slap sometimes, right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Jess smarks and asks Rory what makes her think he
cares about her?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Boy, I tell you a lot of angst in this show,
a lot of angst.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Let me ask you this, Patrika, have you ever had
a home improvement disaster? Do you relate to this to
his I'll just do it myself.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
The part of it, yes, I've related that where you
have to call somebody to come back in and fix
what you tried to do yourself. But I think finding
that I like ike in there was one of the
funniest things, cleaning out that cutter.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That was fun right, that was funny. Laurela is not
a fan of Jess. Why do you think or what
do you think Rory sees in jests that Laurelai doesn't.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I think Rory sees the intelligence, the reading, the the
difference between one boy going to Lord of the Rings
and the other boy like, let's read this, you know,
And she's so in education, so it's very you see
what's coming.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, I think that one line she said to Dean,
you know, I'd see this movie one hundred times. We're
taking everything very literally literally. Yes, it was just sort
of that's the relationship in a nutshell, and you know
it's not going to work out if she's if she's
gonna snark him like that. You know, that's that doesn't
have long to go.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And it's kind of sad because you're so attached to
the characters, especially you know Laurie. I mean she's she's
everybody's daughter friend, thing like that, and you don't want
her to see it get hurt. And you do see
the that last scene I think when Laurli goes after
him about you know, this is the most precious thing
(05:45):
to her and then he stops her. Well, she lost
her for two weeks before she noticed. Maybe you got
to I mean you go, oh, the writing on the walls,
come in here. This is not good.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, I don't blame Laurla. I mean, I mean, this
is a daydangerous kid anyway. It's like that, that's a
dangerous kid for anybody's daughter. And whether it's you know,
an unwanted pregnancy or whether it's you know, actual physical
harm because this guy didn't take care of something and
(06:17):
there's a car accident, which I think has got Yeah,
I mean she's just being a mama bear.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
I mean I think that, and I think at times,
because of her age, I think she relates to that
hurt herself, you know, being that sixteen year old and
so in love and then having somebody throw shade on
it is not a good thing, right, But I like
to talk about you, Snehi.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Do you really think Rory likes the attention from Jess.
I think she does, right.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean I think she is. I think she likes
the fact that they can sit and talk for hours
about a book and talk about education or just a
particular author that they both like, whereas Lord of the
Rings is so is starting to make her look at
things different.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, mother, Jess and larel I are butting heads. Do
you think it's a little inappropriate, maybe on moralized end
or I think she validated. I think we talked about this.
I think she has every right and to call him
a little jerk. Sure he was being a little jerk.
He was being disrespectful to.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
You know, but I think I think when Rory talks
about the fact about the bracelets missing and hears all
that going on, that he realizes that that she she's
really hurt. I mean, the mere fact that he would
take it. I think it shows that he doesn't quite
like Dean.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
So mm hmmm, yeah, he's just he's you know, all's
fair in love and war?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right, Yeah, well, I think so. But I think Dean
hasn't read orn Vice or anything, so it's gonna be
kind of weird going on there.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Right right, Well, Roy gets a little embarrassed and stumbles
on her words when Jess as why she thinks he
cares about her, and then she walks away.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And I think, yeah, I think that's the teenage thing
where she doesn't know how that's the you know, where
it's easy to talk to Deane because Dean doesn't is
not that biting talking back and forth and education all mean,
all the books and stuff they've read, and suddenly this
man that she really kind of likes, but she still
(08:31):
loves Dean. There's that difference. And anyway, I think that
that that's that teenage angst that well, I don't even
care for me that way. I mean, like like like
you would care for a puppy you know that that
you know, that kind of thing. She doesn't know exactly
how to handle it. And remember too, I mean, Dean
(08:52):
is really the first person she's dated, right, you know,
so m just.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Like uh, comparison comes to mind between Dean and Jess.
Dean seems very structured. He wants to do this, and
then he wants to do the movie, and then after
that they can go do this and do you want
to do that Rory, and she yes, sure, let's do
that structure. And Jess is more kind of like, you know,
anything goes, you know, it's a sea of possibilities with Jess, right,
(09:19):
isn't it good or bad? But therein lies the excitement.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
I think it's the difference between let's go to college
together and let's start a business and someone who says, honey,
I'm home, what's for dinner? Right, It's those that economy
between the two of them. Let's you know, get on
the back of my bike and let's go to Big
Bear for the weekend. And no, no, no, no, no,
this is what we have planned, Pete. So on Friday
(09:45):
night we're gonna have Chinese, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Right, All right, well, let's go on to Luke's apartment hunting.
There's a lot of Luca this, a lot of Luke
in this episode, a lot of Luke rants. This was
particularly Ranti Luke this episode. He's struggling to adjust to
Jess moving into a small apartment and Jess go hunting
for a new place. Luke calls Lorelei for a second
(10:10):
opinion on her apartment. He's really frustrated. He doesn't know
what to do. The realtor refers to Luke to then
they go and see the apartment and Luke is referred
to by the realtor's lorealized husband, So they do that
funny little bit and she goes along with it. This
is why it was so great working with her. She
had such freedom in what she did, and she had
(10:33):
so much fun. She's so good at comedy, you know,
and her timing is just like you know, well.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think that's one of the nicest things about the
show in general, is that everybody it is connected in
such a way because you know what she's going to say,
she knows what it's like this and I think that's
Amy's writing and the christness of it. Back and forth
like that, but the timing for both of you delivering
those lines. As an actor, it's boom boom.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
It was exciting.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yes, I mean, and you're like, what's going on and
the little quips that come in between, and I can't
think of any right this moment, but this like, okay,
fish for dinner and I don't know where she pulls
face nowhere? You know, Okay, you can put curtains, what
you'll get hot, No, we won't do this. You like,
you do need two bathrooms, that kind of thing. So
it's but it was all just very timing wise.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Great, great, Yeah, that was always the challenge, and the
writing did kind of I'm not I don't. I don't
want to say it made it easy, but it made
it a lot easier.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, I think so there are times as actors
you can say you can learn lines faster when they're
they're like you speak to one another versus how you
read something like that and I'm sorry I cut you off.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, no, no, no, go ahead, We're here to listen
to you.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I think the quistness of the writing again is like that,
but again the delivery has to be there. And it's
one of those shows that everybody wanted to do, but
everybody was afraid of the audition because what's the timing
of my character yet, because I don't know her yet.
You know, mine is like giving us the little coffee
cup when I did the thing, which was a dema task.
(12:14):
But you serve a fish bowl for them. So but
it's that kind of thing. So when you went to audition,
you were like, oh god, oh god, maybe I should
just pay for this. It's great.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Well, Laura like and visus Luke to sign the lease.
She tells him to be open to the opportunity more
and adds that if he wants to take a lady
friend home, he's going to need a bigger place. Well,
Luke's just trying to do a good thing by getting
dressed himself more privacy. But but Jess continues with the
bad attitude. Do you do you feel bad for Luke
(12:45):
at this point?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't feel bad for Luke. I mean I am
as a viewer and as a as a woman, I'm
like going like this, what are you talking about? Other women?
What are you talking about? What are you? Are you
out of your mind? What's fazy part? You know? But
then again that's how their friendship is. It's like their
friends first so everybody was always hoping that that was
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you're the pair and stuff like that, though you're you
know different. I mean, it's kind of like ice and heat.
There's no way that you got especially especially when you
ordered that Sunday and that didn't eat it because of
you're frustration about that. I mean, there were so many
cute things in there about that, but you're as a
(13:29):
as a viewer and a fan. I'm screaming, what are
you talking about? Other women? We just got rid of
that other one.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, you can really feel the Luke's frustration through the
screen about the apartment and what a message is and
his struggle to find a new one. Can you relate
to this kind of frustration, Patrika?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, I could probably show you my dining room table
right this moment. You know, my frustration about where is
this called? What's that? Why did the dogs would get
here so soon? I got to find place? So yes,
I could relate to that. I as much as I
have a clutter around like this, Nothing like that room
that he was sleeping in and how he slept with
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that music is another thing for me. And I have
to tell you the little black and white television with
the coat hangar things. I mean, I don't think kids
remember rabbit ears are putting, you know, tenfoil and things.
There was just such a lovely little touch of who
you are.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
That was everybody's college dorm room when I was in college.
It's the tiny little TV with the rabbit ears and
the tinfoil that you'd.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Worked all summer long to pay for so you could
bring it.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Right exactly, Why do you think, Patrika, and I'm really
interested to hear your opinion on this. What makes this
on screen loc and Loreli relationship so compelling? Why is
it so compelling? Besides the right, I.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Think it's because, again, your total opposites and opposite to attract.
I mean, like this and as the outsider looking in
for me, I'm going, would you both open up your eyes?
What's wrong with you? But at the same time, the
other part of me's going, oh, this friendship is too
perfect to ruin my grandmother, to be ashamed to spoil
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two houses with you. So you know it's that kind
of thing fire and ice again, though you want it,
you know that it be disastrous.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Right right? Potentially disastrous?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, I mean yeah, I guess because we can't see
the future. But again, though every part of you goes
you want them together, but you don't want them together.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I don't know how many guys out there wish they'd
taken their shot, right, you got to take your shot.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Well, I think so. I think other people find that
they you know, they screwed up. And I don't know
if Laura lies, if she's sown enough. No, it's because
she was sixteen when she had Laurie and she's become
a mother, so she's never a nightclub and done all
this stuff, though they did some, you know, I'm sure
she had a few dates and stuff out there before
this happened, but her parents are not, Let's go to
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the car hop at night, Like, what is a hot dog?
I've never had? What is that? You know, all those
different things that happened in the show.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
How she went to the she went from the country
club to Stars Hollow, yep.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And I'm all the better for it, yep. But I
think there's a sadness, not in this particular episode, but
the sadness about she missed out on a lot of stuff,
and I think that's some of the resentment between her
and her mother.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You know, Rory's bracelet, how did this come off to you?
Did you think that they were making too much out
of the bracelet, they were just trying to get too
much milk out of this cow?
Speaker 2 (16:54):
No, not really, I mean for me, I mean sometimes
you can, but basically I think it was the well
Roy's if you care for me to one gentleman, I mean,
she's confused, but at this point that meant the world
to her. And as a young woman myself, which I
have to go by my feelings, if I had something
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that my boyfriend gave me and suddenly I couldn't find it,
I would be just like Rory. I would be throwing
things around trying to find it. I mean just my
house would be spotless because I would go through every
newk and cranny to find it.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
I mean I remember losing a charm one time that
a friend, not a boyfriend, had given me and I
was devastated. That charm meant a lot to me, and
it meant a lot to her to give that to me.
So I don't think so as a teenage girl, no,
that reaction is perfect, okay, mister no teenage boy? Fine,
thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
When she said that line to Dean at the book fair,
that you. I see, we're taking things quite literally. Yes today, Okay.
To me, that meant that she was over it. She
was bored. I don't know how she can say that
even under her breath, and it was and it was
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kind of loud enough for him to hear it.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, but I think she intentionally said it, and I
think that that's that's it's kind of an awakening, awake,
an awakening for her.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Well why is she? But the thing is starting to interrupt,
But it's almost an opportunity to to fan the flames
with the Rory Jess thing. If she doesn't care so
much about looking for the bracelet and her mother and Laura,
I notices that, why don't you care? You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I mean, I can look at it. I can look
at it that way. The fact that she she's wanting,
she's seeing a different light and Dean that has always
been there, but this is the first time she's really
kind of thought, this is my life. Watching Lord of
the Rings every episode every Friday night or and Saturday
night too, We'll watch the neck outlet. So but at
the same time, she still cares for him a lot,
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and I think losing the bracelet was like almost facing
the fact that there is a difference sixteen. Yeah, you know,
you know what I'm saying. In other ways, why am
I so attached to my bracelet and stuff like that?
When he wants to watch I think there's a lot
of teenage inks going through there. It's things that I
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think the show was so nice, in the fact that
everybody was on their cell phones all the time, and
you know that people were sitting down at the dinner
table talking to one another, and even you know, tonight
we're gonna eat things you don't even want to know about,
sitting on our sofa watching this movie we've watched twenty times,
Mother and Daughter versus.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I mean, really, if you were to create a modern
television show that depicted real life, it would people be
sitting around looking at their phones.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
And every single okay, yeah, okay, I to my it would.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Be yeah, nobody talks to one another.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Of course, at this point, everybody talks with abbreviations, and
you can't figure out what the hell's going on. And
I'm an older woman though I look damn good, but
I understand any of this stuff. I had to call
emergency going. I can't get in I can't get in
while I was three minutes early but late according to
my phone. But anyway, now it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
We know Jess took the bracelet from the bridge when
Rory dropped it, and laurle I catches him coming out
of Rory's bedroom, so she knows he planted it back
in there after getting a case of the guilts, and
she confronts him.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
About it, and deservedly, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
And he asked Laurlai how the bracelet could be so
important to Rory if it took her two weeks to
notice it was gone. Yeah, that's like boom, and he says,
he to Laurela, you might want to reevaluate how madly
in love Rory is. And that's when orl I kind
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of gets edgued with.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
She gets edgi with him at that point, but she can't.
I mean I think she's I think his attitude, the
way he is has turned her off from the very beginning.
I mean, his sharpness, he's no wanting to talk, his
you know, glib tongue and what did he say when
he came out of the shower or something, by my
hair just wouldn't puff today or something. It's all about
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him leaving the house still a mess, and I quite
don't know why you were putting up with it. But
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, he's you know, everybody's abandoned him. He's had to
raise himself and he's not doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But at the same time, I mean, I think books
are his escape place, a safe place, and then to
find Rory's read the same books and stuff and somebody
he can sort of talk to about here read this
book and she goes, oh, well, thank you very much.
If the book becomes the bracelet, if that makes any sense,
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I mean I think that truly, that book. It means
the world to her that she just got and the bracelet,
and she's she's in this position right now, not knowing
which way to jump.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
So Laurala I asked Luke if he thinks anything is
going on between Justin Rory. Luke says he doesn't. Nobody
thinks worry would be great for you. Yes, yes, well
you know, Dean seems to be nagging Rory about her
every move in this episode. What do you think about
this relationship?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Very controlling, very controlling, and that again like honey, I'm home,
what's for supper? Where are my slippers? You know, that
kind of stuff. I mean a little his way of
thinking is a little old fashioned. And again he'd rather
watch a movie than read a book. So I mean,
I think the whole thing where he talks about the fact, no,
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fifteen minutes you were over there, but it's been two
hours I've been sitting here, you know. And then when
she points out the fact that there's observatory books, the
science books over here, she hadn't even looked at yet,
and he says, go ahead, and well, then we'll watch
Lord of the Rings and then we'll do this. So
he's bartering at the same.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Time, What advice would you give Jess to get Rory's attention?
What do you think you should do at this point? Wow?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I mean that's more. That's more of it. That's kind
of a question for you. As as the male thing here.
For me, I think he needs to stop with the
smart ally key things and be honest about feelings and
it's coming. But I think he's so closed off. He's
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afraid to get there's a fear of getting too attached
to Rory, even though he's trying everything in his power
to sort of break up. So he can ask her out.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
How about if he wrote a poem about Rory and
gave it to her, that that'd be a move, right.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
That would be a good bye Dean moves.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
That would be a good the pub of the poem
as weapon. All Right, Taylor drops the bomb that he
owns the building that Luke wanted to rent from. And
isn't Michael Winners just wonderful?
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Isn't he just he's the best I'm gonna have plates?
Who wants to plate? You can't have that sign there
with the plates?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I mean right? And that he wants to buy the
flower shop next to Luke's diner. Luke's just like lulling
a gasket at this point.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Uh well, the fact he wants his father's hardware sign
turned down kind of shows who Luke is too. He
likes that, I think the the familiarity of family, and
that's that's something that's never coming down unless he's dead
out front with the other sign hanging office, there's no
way you're gonna give that sign up ever. Yeah, but
(24:58):
I love the fascist I'm going It's unbelievable. You know.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Luke just eventually buys the building and puts the hole
through a wall in his apartment tells j just this,
this is real and and it's I love when laural
I opens the door and Luke says, I just spent
one hundred thousand dollars. It's all year, it's your fault.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
But after this whole rating and ranting like this, would
you like some tea.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Right right right right now? But it's like, you know again,
the writing is so delicious. It's a full meal. Those
scenes were so much fun, not not just to read
and table read, but to rehearse them because you know,
you it's God, I miss that show. I miss working
(25:51):
at that level, you know, because you don't get that
you know, it just it just doesn't come around very often.
And man, just such a pleasure to.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's little things like Kurt sixty two cents get out
of here, Kurt, right, I mean those little subtle things
like that that go in and out of that whole
thing and back to where it. So the I like
Ike button in the when did you last clean these?
I found out like I like Ike? So we just
clever little things like that. And the funny part about
it is half of the audience probably didn't know who
(26:23):
Ike was.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Right, have you Patrika, have you ever made a spur
of the moment purchased like that, like Luke.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Did off on a pair of shoes that went like, hello,
don't walk away, come back here, look at me at colors. Yes,
I've done that, going yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Uh, I know what that's like. But Luke buys the
whole building for him and Jess to have more space.
What do you think about the love shown through frustration
throughout the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, I mean, it's that whole thing, and you also
see how he did it on the spur of the moment.
Yet somewhere in the back of his mind he was
not taken down his dad's signs and he didn't want
stinky plates next door to right whatsoever. It's just everything
weaves together. That's I think that's her amy, the fact
that it's a glib everything is sharp dialogue wise. But
(27:14):
then also the characters are so interwoven that you you
recognize everybody and you're going, where's the guy that sings
on the street, And let's not talk about Miss Patty
driving back there with a cigarette and hand one two
the way we go, you want your bady gone, light
me up, Light me up. I mean just the whole
town that she created was just incredible and missed and missed.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
But let me ask you this funny behind the scene
moments on the set.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Do you remember anything, No, I just remember being terrified
that I was. I mean, it truly isn't when you're
when you're coming into a show that you First of all,
the first thing you do as a supporting actor coming
into a show is you go, please God, let these
people I love be nice. That's the first thing. And
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of course working with the two ladies, they were darling.
Everything was great, the crew and stuff. We didn't get
to have any interaction and stuff like that, but it
was basically the astonishment of the waitress and that's my episode,
so we don't want to talk about that. But I
was terrified through the whole thing that I was going
to do something wrong or something. You know, that kind
of thing you go like, you're always saying yourself, I'm talented, crave, intelligent,
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I can handle this, and then you get on the
set and you go brain dead or you're like, so like,
my god, okay, my line is coming. My line is coming.
It's almost time. Hi there. That's kind of things like that,
But nothing really because we had a very short, nice
little fun scene, so we really didn't have anything going
on behind us at this point. I think those are
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the fun. You probably have more to share about what happened,
especially knocking a hole in that wall, because I'm sure
that was one take.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
So one of my favorite scenes to shoot. Because we
never we talk so much. You never got to do
a lot of things. You never love got to do actions,
and that was an action, you know, something to do.
I just enjoyed that scene, and I love how they
cut it together, and I love the music they chose,
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and it was just a really fun scene to watch.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Well, even I mean when when she's trying to convince
you that you need apartment to go the mere fact
that now you've bought the building. Because that interaction with Taylor,
I mean, the writing is so crisp, and you really
got some good ranting. I guess those are the best.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I don't know if you, I don't know if you
could have dealt with lanting, ranting Luke every single episode,
but every once in a while it's It's It's fun,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
But I think that I think your character is so
fun because you're like a curmudgeon, but you're not get out.
We're closed now, finish up, get out time with you people.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
So those kind of things that you do just a
typical Northeastern dude.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Maybe maybe not Northeast, you'd be net Waffle.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Trust me, typical Northeastern dude. I grew up with guys
like that. Well, look, let's talk about your career, starting
so many series, and you're most famously known for roles
in sitcom Step by Step Days of Our Lives. What
would you say have been the highlights of your career.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Oh, well, one of the biggest highlights was I had
done a stage production at a ninety nine seat theater.
It was called Theater Theater. It's on Coin I think
it's the bus stop now and there's a Methadone center
right across from it. Was very interesting doing our little
theater production there for two years. We did Daddy's Dying
there and we took it to the Fringe Festival in
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Scotland and then I got to reprise my role in
the film, which got me a contract with ABC, and
so that was kind of the biggest highlight there. Second
would be working with John Malkovich and getting killed.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Oh wow. Yes, yes, in the line of Fire.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, that was really nice. Wow, and uh, that was
one of those movies that your mother called you five
minutes after she saw it because it upset her so much,
that death scene and stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Did you see him on Broadway?
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I know I didn't.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I have not, but oh boy, that was I have
to say.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know, we talked about a minute ago. You go,
please God, I'm going on the show. Let them be
nice people, and I do that every time I go there.
He was so wonderful. I was doing another stage show
and one of the little girls in the course was like,
grab me, let this one final get to meet. I'll
kill you like this. Anyway, I got permission to bring
her on and he talked while they were setting up
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the kill scenes and stuff. He talked like for two
hours with this young girl who was a UCLA theater major,
about you know, back in Chicago, just everything. He was wonderful.
But then when it was time for him to go on,
it was like you just saw him turn into that character.
I mean, as watching another actor do that was was wonderful.
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So that was one of the highlights. And then I
didn't do any scenes with Clint, but he asked me
to be in Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
So from that thing, so it was I read for
in Line of Fire. I remember being very disappointed that
I didn't get the part.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
I think they told me that they read over five
hundred william women for the role and I got the part,
and that it was the sensitivity, the like don't open
that door. I mean, to this day, I'll be in
a grocery store and I'll have people go generally older
mental to stop me and go, what the hell was
the dog tied up from? Why would you let him in?
(32:49):
It was a very hot, big highlight.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
That was all man. What's what? Incredibly tragic scene that
was boy man.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Especially for the younger that was my roommate. This was
her first it was her first film and she spent
like two hours being slammed against that mental piece.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
But it was really a highlight.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
I guess it was a like working with Eastwood. I mean,
I hear he's quick. He doesn't do a lot of takes,
he doesn't say action, he just says whenever you're ready, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
And he also has the same crew or he had
the same crew all the time. And in fact, his crew,
the greens were the camera all that stuff, and the
camera crew were one family. And I'd worked with them
when we did Speed too, But he when we did
Midnight the Garden of Good and Evil, he just was
he said, this is what I want you to do,
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blah blah blah. And I said, I asked him a question.
I said, wouldn't it be better since and going this way?
And then he went, yep, she's right, that's like this.
And then and I called him mister Eastwood and he
said that I could call me Clint little Darland. So
it's like that kind of thing. The things that I
remember that was fun.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
What a what a gifted director?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Just what a and lo the longevity of it, you know,
and you go back and watch the the old movies, that.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, unbelievable. Well, he loves filming. He wanted to be filmed,
He wanted to produce, direct, star, he wanted to be
out there on set all the time and make make
his art.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You know, I think he was always under budget, always
under time and everything, and uh trusted who he'd hired,
and trusted his crew terrifically and treated them very nicely.
Everybody was you know, that's I think a key is kindness,
in which we have very little of anymore.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
So, well, that's the sign of a good leader who
you know, hires competent people, trust them to deliver a
product that exceeds their expectations and that's how it's done.
Or else you get the micromanagers that drive everybody crazy
and get you know, crap in return, you know, and
it's a bad set. So compare Gilmore Girls to other
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shows that you've been on. What's the difference reality?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I think for me, the Gilmore Girls, I mean everything
is like, oh, you come in, there's ankst. They're teenage
angst over here, and the parents are arguing over this,
and that's a typical kind of sitcom. You come into
Gilmore Girls and there were things that were going on
in life that you kind of looked at two ways
or laughed. You saw why LAURALI got the hell out
when you see these things with the mothers, the father
(35:33):
handing Rory the financial page, when the two the Laura
II and the mom are having dissertations. I think it's
the fact that she hit political things, the fact that
how many people looked up the word fascist after seeing
it on the Gilmore Girls. It probably didn't learn it
in school. And what the hell is a fascist? You know,
that kind of thing. I think the intelligence of the series,
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her writing, and the performances of course, that brought those
words to life. But I think that's kind of a
difference between that. And also if on other episodics, you're
you know, you've got a formula that they go by.
You never quite knew what the formula was going to
be on Girls, Where are we going today? And we
may have gone to fifty different things in and out
(36:17):
of that, both the different townspeople and things going on
in the neighbors, and it's it's that reality you kind
of went. I'd like to live in Stars Hall. I
don't care if everybody knows my business. I'd rather live there,
you know. But I also know I have a family there.
They'll take care of me if i'm there. I mean,
I think that's the whole thing about the family and
hollow is the is the camaraderie, the friendship, they're looking
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out for each other. And then the nosy snoopy people
that want to change stuff because of what will we
do without Taylor?
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Mm hmmm hmm. And the possibility of seeing Sally Strothers
on screen.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
My nemesis, my nemesis.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
All right, last question, we're running out of time. If
you could play any recurring role on the show on
Gilmore Girls, who would it be and why?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I think I would have to play a character with Suki's.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I was just thinking Suki's mom.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I could do that very well. I think older sister there,
I could be your mom, Okay, I don't care, and
be your grandma. I just want to part. But I mean,
you just when you think about the people that came
out of this show to go on to do other things.
I mean, Alexis winning an Emmy for that red Cape
(37:38):
and white hat. Yeah that I mean it kind of
makes me like this thinking about that show. But I
think Dean, you know, he went on to do a
teen different shows like this, Jared Pedalaki, and oddly enough
he was working with Jensen Acles, who came from Days
(37:58):
of Our Lives.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Oh yeah, they had a good run. Then. Whether they
do fourteen seasons or.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Something, fourteen or fifteen, I think yes. And then he
went on. Jared went on to do.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
What is it the Western Right They.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Czech Nurse remake thing and then Dean's got a new
one now called Countdown. I think, who does Jensen acles?
He has? Who is the partner? He has a new
thing called Countdown?
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I think right this moment, well, those those guys are
always going to work, you know.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I mean their first, their first there were heart throbs,
and they went everywhere. But look at v somebody say
his name for because I don't want to pronounce it wrong,
just his name in real life.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh Milo, I mean look at.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Him and what he's done. I mean, uh, And the
guest stars, and to round up just a great characters.
I'm sorry we didn't get to meet the what's her
face's mom? And now what's her faces? Going out of
my head?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Oh Laine Kim and missus Missus Kim.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
I mean again, the writing, you know, and the great characters,
and I think that's what makes them.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It was.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
It was appointment television definitely, which you know, it came
really after a lot of appointment television, but this one
still was one nobody wanted to miss. And now we're
getting to watch it again and remembering that Chris writing
and the fun acting and everything.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
So well, Patrika, thank you for your time and your insights.
Please come back. We'd love to have you.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Back anytime, anytime. Are you in the show, I'll come back. Listen,
come on, mister producer, it's your own show. I'm available.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
I'm trying, man, it's not easy.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Well, I live I live in Burbank and the Warner
Brothers tore down the entire ranch and now there's sixteen
new sound stages, a huge office building and a parking thing,
and I go, exactly, what's going on in there? Where's
the work?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Wait a minute, I'm sorry, Warner Brothers ranch.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Is update Warner Brothers ranch that you.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Used to be like a neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
It's just like there was a church team that there.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Was some funny, it was a whole set was shot there,
a lot.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Everything went down and it's now like sixteen new sound
stages and a big, huge office building and they just
put two new office buildings Warner Brothers did on the
Burbank lot that used to be the old NBC lot.
And you go, like, why we're building all these sound stages,
where's the work? When is it coming back? What's happening
(40:42):
at you know, of course we're just getting ready to
come out of the hiatus. So maybe things will pick
up a.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
Little bit, right, I hope. So well, what's you the best?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Thank you darling.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
I wish you much work, much quality work back at you,
and it would be fun. It would be fun to
be on a series together or a film together.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So come on, people, make it happen.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
All the best and remember, best fans on the planet,
keep the cards and letters coming. Thanks for all the downloads.
Really appreciate the support of this podcast. It's growing every
week for the last four years, and it's just an
amazing testament to this fan base and how loyal and
great they are.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I think. And without our fans, what are we nothing?
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, we ain't nothing. I mean we're something. We're people.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Well yes, but I just don't have these great jobs.
You know, we have great jobs and we do stuff.
But I think two we wouldn't have risen to this
without fans. I mean, I know a lot of the
daytime fans are some of the most incredible people, and
a lot of them have become friends because I've done
it for over twenty eight years. There twenty five so
again and this show had a big fan base. It's
(41:47):
growing and of course you have love, so.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
All the best. Thank you Patrica, and remember everybody, where
you lead.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
We will follow.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Stay safe us dot everybody, and don't forget. Follow us
(42:26):
on Instagram at i Am all In podcast and email
us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com
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