From the Bachelor franchise, super fan Hannah Brown joins Scott to recap Season 2 E10 “The Bracebridge Dinner”
We already know Gilmore Girls is good for your soul, but how about your brain?! Find out the neurological reason why Hannah started watching the series.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
All that's just you.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I am all in with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast one
ELEVEE Productions, iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcasts, Season two, Episode ten,
The brace Bridge Jinner. Air date December eleventh, two thousand
and one. I have a very very special guest, Hannah Brown,
lifestyle expert, television personality, and two time New York Times
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best selling author. Her authenticity and charismatic personality have captured
her millions of followers. Yes, I checked. She's got millions
of followers and she continues to inspire and empower others. Hannah,
Welcome to this show. So what does Gilmore Girls mean
to you at this point?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I am a late bloomer when it comes to The
Gilmour Girls. I just started watching.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It this year.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I actually I'd always seen it, and I was like,
I don't know if I.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Could commit to that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It's so like for me, if it's not like three seasons,
it's hard for me to like get into it. I
just am busy and I'll want to go into the next.
So I've always seen it and people have been like Canna,
like you you are going to be obsessed with the
show and I can't do it. But then I did this.
I was doing it started because of therapy. I was
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doing this EMDR therapy plus doing this thing called neurofeedback,
so it's it's helping train your brain. But the system
that I did was I could pick. I needed to
pick a show that, you know, I could watch while
it's like connected to the screen, and what it's basically
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doing is training your brain to pick different narrow pathways.
By doing that, it's very passive. And I'm watching a
show as the screen goes darker and brighter, and the
way to know that my brain like giving it like
some positive reinforcements. It brightens up to where I can
actually see the show clear. So I had to pick
something to watch, and I was like, well, I guess
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this could be like my time to watch Gilmore Girls
because I'm like helping my brain. So for me, Gilmore
Girls like took something that like I was doing this
experience or this you know, I guess type of therapy
to just like help with my anxiety and everything. So
like Gilmore Girls really feels like a safe place for me.
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I think it does for so many people. It's like
something bad could happen in the next day, like luralize
cracking jokes, and it's like moved on.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
In some way.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And so I just feel like Gilmore Girls has just
become like this like safety net almost for me in
such a busy season. It's like the place that I
can go to and like fully be immersed in.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And it also has like positive.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Feelings because I'm like, oh, I started watching the show
to help my brain, and now it's.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Like helped my life. So I love it so much.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, I waited this long, but it's also been really
cool because like in this season being so I have
something that I'm like looking forward to at all times
to get that to watch.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, it's interesting how you how you're saying this is
because this is the experience. You know, this is a
this is a pretty common experience. It's kind of rewiring
the fan base. Fan bases brains to the point where
you know, they are having this euphoric experience with the show,
every interaction they have with the show, and then they
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want it when I meet them out there, you know,
they want to share that experience. Yeah, it has a
healing component to it. There's something very fit therapy about
this show, and it's so interesting that you made that connection.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Absolutely, And it's cool because like obviously, like not everything's
perfect like these Lurlai has like her own commitment things,
and I feel like I can really connect. My book
is also about a girl who that that has struggled
with commitment and fully being all in because of her past.
And you get to actually see like Laura Li's past
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and like have compassion for why she is the way
that she is, and then all the things that are
so lovable about her. And it's just like it brings
these like happy moments, but it's actually real life experiences
and not getting it right every time and sometimes making
the wrong decisions and miscommunication. And so it's so cool
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to have a show that like balances that in such
a beautiful way that you're you're not like feeling anxious
watching it because somebody's not getting it right or you know,
you feel the anxiety between the family dynamics. It's it
can still keep you like even killed while also having
like real experiences.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That right, and also on the other side of that,
it's not you know, she's not getting through the characters
not getting through their issues so easily because they're insulting
the audience to the point, well, we don't want to
put the audience through all this, and like no, the
Amy and Dan do want to put the audience through it,
but they want to make us laugh while we go
through it. Yeah, and it's it's and it's amazing, really
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an amazing way they do all this. All right, so
let's get into the episode Bracebridge Dinner. The Independence end
hosting its nineteenth century Bracebridge Dinner, but the group that
booked out the the event is snowed in in Chicago,
so they have to go to Plan B, which is
invite the entire town. What do you think about the
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Bracebridge Dinner? Would you go to something like that?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Absolutely? I would have loved to do it too, something
like that.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
It reminds me, I'm from Alabama and we had this
uh it's like we had this uh like school field
trip that you went on in fourth grade where you
had to go and you like re enacted this whole
thing dinner. I think one of the best days, one
of my favorite field trips. So I would have been
totally down to be a part of a dinner like this, right,
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especially in uh with with all my fellow like if
that could have been my dinner party, like simn me up.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Okay, yeah, just to go to dinner with Sally Strailers
is worth. Let me tell you. Let me tell you
should keep you in stitches. So Luke shares uh you
know about his white lives to Jess, which is you know,
it's I guess it's you'd call that kind of sweet
because it shows he's protecting Jess and yet Laurela I
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believes Jess can see through them. What did you think
of that?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think, Laura I, you know, Luke is doing his
absolute best, and I love his dynamic with Jess, but
I feel like Loralai, it's so like her relationship with
Rory can really help her with Luke being able to
be like, I know you think you're doing this parenting
thing right and that like you did your best, but
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he knows.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So, I mean, I think Laurai, obviously we know LOURAI
was spot on that.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
You know, I think you know when your parents, when
your parents aren't really showing up for you, when and
when somebody else is and it is trying to protect
you and Jess. I think was just trying to probably
make Luke feel better.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
In a little heartbreaking that you go to see if
the kid like that, and it's just you don't want
to hurt him again. But she was right, you know,
she'd been there, done that. Yeah, So it was like
it was like, hey, dude, you know he knows. But
you know that that's the kind of interaction between those two,
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that easy interaction that actually draws them closer together and
makes them trust each other there a little bit more.
You know. It's one of those nice moments based on
something that's somewhat tragic, you know, for for Jess anyway,
but at least their hearts are in the right place
and they're trying totally navigating life. Let's let's talk about
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the sleigh ride between Luke and Loreli. They're together. He
doesn't have his hat on. What's up with that? He
had the hat off? Did that throw you a little bit?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
With the no hat whenever he doesn't have I mean,
you know he was he was coming for the dinner.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He's trying to be glassy.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Right, you're not gonna wear a hat.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You're gonna wear a hat to dinner. But I can't.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean, I know it's you. But like, I just
love the backward hat. It's just really it was.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
A good look for Luke. So it's not a lie.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's like, I mean, from Alabama, I love a little
blade shirt, backwards hat moment.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know you already had the longer hair. It was great.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But I appreciate Luke for trying to, you know, be
a little classy for the establishment that he was in.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But I love that moment.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I I mean, I'm you know, I'm now in season six,
but like, just the tension between Luke and Laurli is
the best.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It is the best part of the whole show.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And it's my favorite whenever they're together and they have
these sweet moments, it's it's the best.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, that that was. I got so lucky with that.
Sometimes in life you get lucky, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I mean it was It's magic. It's true magic.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's just one of those things, one of those things.
Let's get to Jess and Dean. So we see Dean
breaks up a fight between Jess and another student. What
was a kid's name? This the other student of.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The Talk or something or something like that.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Anyway, Dean comes. Dean comes to the dinner with Clara,
but it's disappointed to see Jess at the dinner. Obviously,
poor Poortine. He's just they're constantly putting this kid through
the gauntlet man with this Jess character. It's a good
use of you know, how they use the characters. So
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we see that Jess kind of it looks like he
jumps out of a tree and into the carriage and
the sleigh. I mean it was just so jarring and abrupt,
and it was like, whoa where did he come from?
I mean it looked like he was coming from a
downward angle.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I know, it's like he was doing like parkour in
some way. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I mean, here's a guy who gets into a fight
with the kid who's a class jerk. It's established, right,
Dean helps him, right, But now Jess is jumping out
of a tree to get into the sleigh with his girlfriend. Yeah,
what's that all about?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, I've gone on.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
To social media eyes. I've been watching this show and
it's so interesting. I'm sure obviously you know, like all
the people are who are team Jess, And I'll be honest,
at the beginning, I was not a team Jess.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
At all because I was like he is.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Just like and it feels like he didn't like treat
Rory right, especially you know eventually and and Dean is
so especially especially at this point, so sweet, good guy,
good guy.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm like, he's such a good guy for Rory. It's sweet.
But you there's all.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
But then there's also this like palpable chemistry between Jess
and Rory, and especially during that scene when they're on
the carriage, Like it's true when Jess is just like,
what are you even talking about? Because like it's cool,
like Jess has this whole life per song, he's like
this bad boy, but yet he him and Rory have
so much in common when we do to like what
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like what they love, Like truly, when you when you
take off the mask of Jess just having to protect
himself with his whole life, like there might not have
been much difference had he not grown up in the
app with the the parents that he had and he
just had to create this falseic seria of who he
actually is.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like I definitely have compassion for that, but.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Gosh, like as you said, like things, just trying to
do his best.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think that was a really important scene between Jess
and yeah, and You're right about it, because there's this
knowing that Jess has, and even Rory like, really, why
are you with this guy? You know, I've been in
class with him. He doesn't really like kind of get
the literary references, like has he read the books you've read?
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You know? I mean this is what he's implying.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
He's just a good guy, right, He's just a good guy.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But long term, and like, why are you spending your
time with him? You can be spending your time with me,
and we read the same books and we have the
same kind of I don't know, artistic side. Yes, you
know we have. There's you know, they're both a little dark.
Dean doesn't really have any darkness, does he. I mean
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he's just a what you see is what you get
with him.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I love people like Dean. I wish I was a
person like Diana.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Like I'm like, it must be nice to be that
light and right right, But like you said, like Rory
and just just have this magnetic something to them. But
I think sometimes Rory doesn't want to have that darkness
about her, and so like you want to be with
somebody that just keeps you in the light, where just
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kind of brings out that other side of her that
even maybe you know from her mom, like Lorelai doesn't
wants her to stay in the light and be with
somebody that keeps that doesn't maybe challenge her. I think
just right challenges her and maybe would make her challenges
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to be herself, which means when you're like full of yourself,
like you're gonna make mistakes, You're gonna get it wrong sometimes.
And I think I just wants to protect her daughter
and be with somebody that she knows is not going
to push her.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Any who else challenges her logan, Yes, logan really challenges Yes,
I mean in other ways to totally.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah. But that's a whole kind of that's a different dynamic.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You know, I'm in season six right now, so like
I'm in fully the dynamic of it right now, and
it's so you just feel the tension of like, oh gosh,
is this gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
This could work?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is it going to work? I don't know. I'm kind
of scared. That's where I'm just like in I can't
remember what season episode I'm on, but it's and it's
kind of hard to see Rory question herself, but like
she has to to grow and so being with people
like Jess and it's very different than you know as
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you see her with Dean.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
There's two schools here when I think about who is better,
like who's a baby daddy? And who should it be?
And who do you want it to be? And there's
for me, there's like two schools. There's like what Luke
as a real person or Laura I as a real person.
The whole town is real people living that experience want
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for Rory. You know what they want? Is it Jess
or is it Logan? Because it's not going to be.
It's going to be Jess. Or Look, who's the baby daddy?
Who do you want it to be? Who I want
it to be? Who I think as Luke is Jess
because he's blood and I think he's going to evolve
into a more mature He's got a lot of maturity
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intellectually speaking, emotionally, he's got to catch up. When he does,
he's going to be this great guy and he's still
going to have that edge. He's still going to have
a little darkness, but he's going to love her freely.
He's going to be able to get out of his
own way and really be a great husband and father
to her. You know that's in him. It's in him.
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He just needs to live life a little more and
figure it out. Right. But in terms on the other
side of me, the other school is for me, it's like,
what's best for the storytelling, what's best for the tension.
I think it's Logan because project just ten years out,
two kids with Rory, three kids with Rory versus Logan
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ten years out, super successful guy or not three two
three kids? Who's more likely to cheat? I'm always saying
Logan for sure, and that's better for the storytelling for sure.
If we're going to get more seasons or more episodes,
if it isn't Logan, then you'll lose Jess as a
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guy who comes in and is always the guy. So
Jess is really kind of like the Luke where it's.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Like Jess is the Luke's.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
The Luke's He's the Luke to Rory's Laureley, and it's
like one of these two going to get together because
it's so the chemistry's so great and they're so right
and they should be together. But I don't know. I
think that that Logan is a better version of a Christopher.
He's like a young Christopher with his act together. Yeah,
certain a lot more than Christopher was at that same
age and better prospects long term. So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, so it's like, well yeah, because like for me,
I think, like I don't fully I mean, this shows
there's not too many bilers because I've seen every I
mean on for so long. But with Logan, I feel like, uh,
Rory is kind of living out like the other version
of what laural life life could have been like if
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she had not had Rory, and like exactly, you know,
you kind of love I have like a soft spot
for Christopher, and like you see that, and so you
kind of want to see what that life would be like,
what that would have been like even you know, we
have loural life story, but like you want to see that.
So for a story, I totally agree. I'm more intrigued
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by her with Logan for what could all come of
that and the tension of class and all that, Like
that is what's so fun?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
All that tension. Yeah, it's and it could come apart
every episode really easily. She could be facing Rory, could
be facing the same level of condescension from that family
and stress and storylines that you know, you could see
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like Luke facing when he tries to come into the
Gilmour house. It's like, who is this inappropriate person? He
doesn't dress, you know, and I think that's how high
falutin the the What the Huntsburgers are, Yeah, I mean
what a name, right, I mean the Palatine has even
gave it that name Huntsburger. Well.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I love that episode when it's like, but I'm a
Gilmore because like Rory had always like when she meets
that family for the first time, like like that name
for Luke, you know, they made him feel like so
below and then Rory's having to have that same experience.
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He's like, wait, I haven't had to have this experience.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Because being a Gilmore kind of like.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
That was my grandparents like token, like I fit where
my mom bitten, and now I know what it feels
like to not fit right and having It's just cool
how the writers made it to where, you know, Laura
Life tried so hard to make Rory have everything, have
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the emotional connect connection and closeness that she didn't get
from her parents, but also all the opportunities that you know,
being in that family could provide and wanted her to
have something totally different, but like as you watch it,
you see that, like Rory still has to go through
a lot of the same similar experiences, maybe just like
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different model.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Of Laura Lie.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And it's so interesting to kind of just watch that
and that's isn't that light life and what our parents,
like every parent tries to do. It's like it just
make it a little bit better, easier, but we still
all have to we have to go through this.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Human experience.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And it's gonna come with a lot of getting love wrong, loss,
feeling like not good enough, not worthy, and watching Laura
I like, I mean, Laurai is my favorite character. I
don't I don't know how she can't be like she's
the best, like just watching her like try to help
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Rory through it, knowing trying so hard to take a
back seat, but then just always being there for her
and protecting her when like the thing that she really
wanted to protect her from Rory does anyway, Like so.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So good too. Well, let's get into you know, Richard's
retirement was a big storyline in this episode and had
great impact. So he doesn't tell Emily about it, and
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he's incredibly happy. Yeah, you know, he's got the monkey
off his back for the first time for forty years.
He's free as a bird. He's feeling great, but nobody
knows why. And then we find out at the Brave's
Bridge dinner it slips out. What are your thoughts on this?
Was he in the wrong for not telling her?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Or was he just I understand why he doesn't tell her.
I mean he doesn't everyone kind of understand why he
doesn't tell her.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I love Emily.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I think she's like such an amazing character as well,
and but yeah, I think there's a pressure with her,
and I think he was done with the pressure and
just wanted to be able to not have to go
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into all the details of what this means now that
he's retired and just kind of live in it. And
eventually they do, of course, they're going to have to
get into the details of what does this mean Richard
being retired? But I kind of love that he got
to just like be happy and in the moment and
feel good about retirement, even though we all know.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
How I just just seeing his life, like how much
is he gonna actually love retirement? We'll see, but.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That he got to at least live in those feelings
of truly being happy and accept it, like it was
so fun to see and fun to see like Emily
just trying to like go with it and be like,
what is going on?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He's right?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But I loved I loved his monologue. I loved his
that scene late at night down in the living room
the lobby of the Dragonfly, when he said I didn't
expect to resign, but as I kept talking to the CEO,
I kept getting a little languier, and you know, I
realized that I just wanted to walk away. And what
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a what a great speech. Does you know what? I
want to get into your book. I know you don't
have a lot of time. You're super busy, You're doing
so many things. But let's get into your book a
little bit. Okay, Uh, the Four Engagement Rings of Sybil
Rain and this is going to be your second fiction book,
fourth overall? What inspired this one? So?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Uh, this book is my second, like you said, romance novel.
And what started the whole thing is I wanted to
write a book about love stories but also how our
friends are some of the big the best love stories
that we have in our life, and how they support
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us in those big moments when we fall in love,
when love hurts us, when we have heartbreaking, when we
do ad evident that happily ever after. And so the
first idea was to write about these this core for
group of best friends.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And my first one.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Was about Emma and the setting of that book was
at this new book, Sybil Rain, the main character, at
her wedding weekend that does not go as planned. And
so as I was writing that first book, I knew, Okay,
I've got to write about this runaway bride and why
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she didn't commit to this lovely man or where did
she go? And so this book takes place a year
after the wedding gone wrong, and she's just wanting to
have a break of vacation. So she takes her honeymoon
ticket vouchers and goes on a nice.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Vacation to Hawaii to.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Not run into one but two of her ex fiances
and really has to, you know, get really slapped in
the face with her past and that she can't really
run from it anymore. And I really wanted to get
into which is so interesting because I started writing this
book before I started watching Gilmore Girls, and what I've
related to with Laura life so much. It's kind of
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that fear of commitment and getting it wrong. That's a
lot of what Sybil struggles with, like the commitment when
like your past seems to just always beat you to
the love that you really deserve, so that you can't
fully receive what is right in front of you because
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of these gnawing thoughts and feelings of the past and
not going right. And so that's really what the book
is about, is Sybil having to have that confrontation with
her past and learning to love herself first fully to
be able to receive the love that is right in
front of her.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And so I feel like any who.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Loves Loreli would love Sybil because they are so similar,
like the light, the shiny, bright, fun thing that everybody
wants to be around. But when you really break it down,
is it really fun to be Sybil? Like in those
thoughts in that, you know, holding yourself back and watching
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somebody over you know, and getting to read about this
character overcoming that it's really fun and finding her happily
ever after.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Do you see this as something that could be turned
into a TV show or a film? And if so,
who do you want to play Sybil?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I would love that that would be a dream come true.
I feel like there could be so many people, and
you know, these things are so I don't really get
to pick who if this became a series, But like
Sidney Sweeney, I feel like would be so fun because
she has this kind of like lightness of out her
but seeing some of the roles that she's played, there's
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still like this dark this darkness that Sybil has that
I feel like Sydney could could be able to keep
both at play, So I think she could be a great.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Okay, Sydney Sweeney. If you're a fan and you're listening
to this col Hannah, you're going to get another offer.
We appreciate you coming on and carving out a little
part of your day for us. We know how busy
you are. You so busy on the business side. You're
getting married soon. Congratulations and all the best you. Please
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come back on.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I would love to. I've got to finish.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Up, finish up, and then come back on. We'd love
to have you back. Thank you for your time and
to the best fan base on the planet. I'm going
to see a Galaxy Con third week in July. Raleigh,
North Carolina, one of my favorite places on the planet.
Super fun weekend. I'll be there Thursday and Friday and
maybe Saturday too. I don't know, but I'll see you then. Anyway,
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keep the cards and letters coming, and remember always where
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ELEVEE Productions, iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcasts, Season two, Episode ten,
The brace Bridge Jinner. Air date December eleventh, two thousand
and one. I have a very very special guest, Hannah Brown,
lifestyle expert, television personality, and two time New York Times
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best selling author. Her authenticity and charismatic personality have captured
her millions of followers. Yes, I checked. She's got millions
of followers and she continues to inspire and empower others. Hannah,
Welcome to this show. So what does Gilmore Girls mean
to you at this point?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I am a late bloomer when it comes to The
Gilmour Girls. I just started watching.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
It this year.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I actually I'd always seen it, and I was like,
I don't know if I.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Could commit to that.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
It's so like for me, if it's not like three seasons,
it's hard for me to like get into it. I
just am busy and I'll want to go into the next.
So I've always seen it and people have been like Canna,
like you you are going to be obsessed with the
show and I can't do it. But then I did this.
I was doing it started because of therapy. I was
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doing this EMDR therapy plus doing this thing called neurofeedback,
so it's it's helping train your brain. But the system
that I did was I could pick. I needed to
pick a show that, you know, I could watch while
it's like connected to the screen, and what it's basically
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doing is training your brain to pick different narrow pathways.
By doing that, it's very passive. And I'm watching a
show as the screen goes darker and brighter, and the
way to know that my brain like giving it like
some positive reinforcements. It brightens up to where I can
actually see the show clear. So I had to pick
something to watch, and I was like, well, I guess
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this could be like my time to watch Gilmore Girls
because I'm like helping my brain. So for me, Gilmore
Girls like took something that like I was doing this
experience or this you know, I guess type of therapy
to just like help with my anxiety and everything. So
like Gilmore Girls really feels like a safe place for me.
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I think it does for so many people. It's like
something bad could happen in the next day, like luralize
cracking jokes, and it's like moved on.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
In some way.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And so I just feel like Gilmore Girls has just
become like this like safety net almost for me in
such a busy season. It's like the place that I
can go to and like fully be immersed in.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And it also has like positive.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Feelings because I'm like, oh, I started watching the show
to help my brain, and now it's.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Like helped my life. So I love it so much.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, I waited this long, but it's also been really
cool because like in this season being so I have
something that I'm like looking forward to at all times
to get that to watch.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Well, it's interesting how you how you're saying this is
because this is the experience. You know, this is a
this is a pretty common experience. It's kind of rewiring
the fan base. Fan bases brains to the point where
you know, they are having this euphoric experience with the show,
every interaction they have with the show, and then they
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want it when I meet them out there, you know,
they want to share that experience. Yeah, it has a
healing component to it. There's something very fit therapy about
this show, and it's so interesting that you made that connection.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Absolutely, And it's cool because like obviously, like not everything's
perfect like these Lurlai has like her own commitment things,
and I feel like I can really connect. My book
is also about a girl who that that has struggled
with commitment and fully being all in because of her past.
And you get to actually see like Laura Li's past
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and like have compassion for why she is the way
that she is, and then all the things that are
so lovable about her. And it's just like it brings
these like happy moments, but it's actually real life experiences
and not getting it right every time and sometimes making
the wrong decisions and miscommunication. And so it's so cool
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to have a show that like balances that in such
a beautiful way that you're you're not like feeling anxious
watching it because somebody's not getting it right or you know,
you feel the anxiety between the family dynamics. It's it
can still keep you like even killed while also having
like real experiences.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That right, and also on the other side of that,
it's not you know, she's not getting through the characters
not getting through their issues so easily because they're insulting
the audience to the point, well, we don't want to
put the audience through all this, and like no, the
Amy and Dan do want to put the audience through it,
but they want to make us laugh while we go
through it. Yeah, and it's it's and it's amazing, really
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an amazing way they do all this. All right, so
let's get into the episode Bracebridge Dinner. The Independence end
hosting its nineteenth century Bracebridge Dinner, but the group that
booked out the the event is snowed in in Chicago,
so they have to go to Plan B, which is
invite the entire town. What do you think about the
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Bracebridge Dinner? Would you go to something like that?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Absolutely? I would have loved to do it too, something
like that.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
It reminds me, I'm from Alabama and we had this
uh it's like we had this uh like school field
trip that you went on in fourth grade where you
had to go and you like re enacted this whole
thing dinner. I think one of the best days, one
of my favorite field trips. So I would have been
totally down to be a part of a dinner like this, right,
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especially in uh with with all my fellow like if
that could have been my dinner party, like simn me up.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Okay, yeah, just to go to dinner with Sally Strailers
is worth. Let me tell you. Let me tell you
should keep you in stitches. So Luke shares uh you
know about his white lives to Jess, which is you know,
it's I guess it's you'd call that kind of sweet
because it shows he's protecting Jess and yet Laurela I
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believes Jess can see through them. What did you think
of that?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I think, Laura I, you know, Luke is doing his
absolute best, and I love his dynamic with Jess, but
I feel like Loralai, it's so like her relationship with
Rory can really help her with Luke being able to
be like, I know you think you're doing this parenting
thing right and that like you did your best, but
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he knows.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So, I mean, I think Laurai, obviously we know LOURAI
was spot on that.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
You know, I think you know when your parents, when
your parents aren't really showing up for you, when and
when somebody else is and it is trying to protect
you and Jess. I think was just trying to probably
make Luke feel better.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
In a little heartbreaking that you go to see if
the kid like that, and it's just you don't want
to hurt him again. But she was right, you know,
she'd been there, done that. Yeah, So it was like
it was like, hey, dude, you know he knows. But
you know that that's the kind of interaction between those two,
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that easy interaction that actually draws them closer together and
makes them trust each other there a little bit more.
You know. It's one of those nice moments based on
something that's somewhat tragic, you know, for for Jess anyway,
but at least their hearts are in the right place
and they're trying totally navigating life. Let's let's talk about
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the sleigh ride between Luke and Loreli. They're together. He
doesn't have his hat on. What's up with that? He
had the hat off? Did that throw you a little bit?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
With the no hat whenever he doesn't have I mean,
you know he was he was coming for the dinner.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
He's trying to be glassy.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Right, you're not gonna wear a hat.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
You're gonna wear a hat to dinner. But I can't.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I mean, I know it's you. But like, I just
love the backward hat. It's just really it was.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
A good look for Luke. So it's not a lie.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's like, I mean, from Alabama, I love a little
blade shirt, backwards hat moment.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
You know you already had the longer hair. It was great.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
But I appreciate Luke for trying to, you know, be
a little classy for the establishment that he was in.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
But I love that moment.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I I mean, I'm you know, I'm now in season six,
but like, just the tension between Luke and Laurli is
the best.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It is the best part of the whole show.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And it's my favorite whenever they're together and they have
these sweet moments, it's it's the best.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, that that was. I got so lucky with that.
Sometimes in life you get lucky, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, I mean it was It's magic. It's true magic.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
It's just one of those things, one of those things.
Let's get to Jess and Dean. So we see Dean
breaks up a fight between Jess and another student. What
was a kid's name? This the other student of.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
The Talk or something or something like that.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Anyway, Dean comes. Dean comes to the dinner with Clara,
but it's disappointed to see Jess at the dinner. Obviously,
poor Poortine. He's just they're constantly putting this kid through
the gauntlet man with this Jess character. It's a good
use of you know, how they use the characters. So
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we see that Jess kind of it looks like he
jumps out of a tree and into the carriage and
the sleigh. I mean it was just so jarring and abrupt,
and it was like, whoa where did he come from?
I mean it looked like he was coming from a
downward angle.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
I know, it's like he was doing like parkour in
some way. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I mean, here's a guy who gets into a fight
with the kid who's a class jerk. It's established, right,
Dean helps him, right, But now Jess is jumping out
of a tree to get into the sleigh with his girlfriend. Yeah,
what's that all about?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, I've gone on.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
To social media eyes. I've been watching this show and
it's so interesting. I'm sure obviously you know, like all
the people are who are team Jess, And I'll be honest,
at the beginning, I was not a team Jess.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
At all because I was like he is.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Just like and it feels like he didn't like treat
Rory right, especially you know eventually and and Dean is
so especially especially at this point, so sweet, good guy,
good guy.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I'm like, he's such a good guy for Rory. It's sweet.
But you there's all.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
But then there's also this like palpable chemistry between Jess
and Rory, and especially during that scene when they're on
the carriage, Like it's true when Jess is just like,
what are you even talking about? Because like it's cool,
like Jess has this whole life per song, he's like
this bad boy, but yet he him and Rory have
so much in common when we do to like what
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like what they love, Like truly, when you when you
take off the mask of Jess just having to protect
himself with his whole life, like there might not have
been much difference had he not grown up in the
app with the the parents that he had and he
just had to create this falseic seria of who he
actually is.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Like I definitely have compassion for that, but.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Gosh, like as you said, like things, just trying to
do his best.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
I think that was a really important scene between Jess
and yeah, and You're right about it, because there's this
knowing that Jess has, and even Rory like, really, why
are you with this guy? You know, I've been in
class with him. He doesn't really like kind of get
the literary references, like has he read the books you've read?
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You know? I mean this is what he's implying.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
He's just a good guy, right, He's just a good guy.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But long term, and like, why are you spending your
time with him? You can be spending your time with me,
and we read the same books and we have the
same kind of I don't know, artistic side. Yes, you
know we have. There's you know, they're both a little dark.
Dean doesn't really have any darkness, does he. I mean
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he's just a what you see is what you get
with him.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I love people like Dean. I wish I was a
person like Diana.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Like I'm like, it must be nice to be that
light and right right, But like you said, like Rory
and just just have this magnetic something to them. But
I think sometimes Rory doesn't want to have that darkness
about her, and so like you want to be with
somebody that just keeps you in the light, where just
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kind of brings out that other side of her that
even maybe you know from her mom, like Lorelai doesn't
wants her to stay in the light and be with
somebody that keeps that doesn't maybe challenge her. I think
just right challenges her and maybe would make her challenges
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to be herself, which means when you're like full of yourself,
like you're gonna make mistakes, You're gonna get it wrong sometimes.
And I think I just wants to protect her daughter
and be with somebody that she knows is not going
to push her.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Any who else challenges her logan, Yes, logan really challenges Yes,
I mean in other ways to totally.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah. But that's a whole kind of that's a different dynamic.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You know, I'm in season six right now, so like
I'm in fully the dynamic of it right now, and
it's so you just feel the tension of like, oh gosh,
is this gonna.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
This could work?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Is it going to work? I don't know. I'm kind
of scared. That's where I'm just like in I can't
remember what season episode I'm on, but it's and it's
kind of hard to see Rory question herself, but like
she has to to grow and so being with people
like Jess and it's very different than you know as
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you see her with Dean.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
There's two schools here when I think about who is better,
like who's a baby daddy? And who should it be?
And who do you want it to be? And there's
for me, there's like two schools. There's like what Luke
as a real person or Laura I as a real person.
The whole town is real people living that experience want
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for Rory. You know what they want? Is it Jess
or is it Logan? Because it's not going to be.
It's going to be Jess. Or Look, who's the baby daddy?
Who do you want it to be? Who I want
it to be? Who I think as Luke is Jess
because he's blood and I think he's going to evolve
into a more mature He's got a lot of maturity
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intellectually speaking, emotionally, he's got to catch up. When he does,
he's going to be this great guy and he's still
going to have that edge. He's still going to have
a little darkness, but he's going to love her freely.
He's going to be able to get out of his
own way and really be a great husband and father
to her. You know that's in him. It's in him.
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He just needs to live life a little more and
figure it out. Right. But in terms on the other
side of me, the other school is for me, it's like,
what's best for the storytelling, what's best for the tension.
I think it's Logan because project just ten years out,
two kids with Rory, three kids with Rory versus Logan
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ten years out, super successful guy or not three two
three kids? Who's more likely to cheat? I'm always saying
Logan for sure, and that's better for the storytelling for sure.
If we're going to get more seasons or more episodes,
if it isn't Logan, then you'll lose Jess as a
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guy who comes in and is always the guy. So
Jess is really kind of like the Luke where it's.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Like Jess is the Luke's.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
The Luke's He's the Luke to Rory's Laureley, and it's
like one of these two going to get together because
it's so the chemistry's so great and they're so right
and they should be together. But I don't know. I
think that that Logan is a better version of a Christopher.
He's like a young Christopher with his act together. Yeah,
certain a lot more than Christopher was at that same
age and better prospects long term. So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, so it's like, well yeah, because like for me,
I think, like I don't fully I mean, this shows
there's not too many bilers because I've seen every I
mean on for so long. But with Logan, I feel like, uh,
Rory is kind of living out like the other version
of what laural life life could have been like if
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she had not had Rory, and like exactly, you know,
you kind of love I have like a soft spot
for Christopher, and like you see that, and so you
kind of want to see what that life would be like,
what that would have been like even you know, we
have loural life story, but like you want to see that.
So for a story, I totally agree. I'm more intrigued
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by her with Logan for what could all come of
that and the tension of class and all that, Like
that is what's so fun?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
All that tension. Yeah, it's and it could come apart
every episode really easily. She could be facing Rory, could
be facing the same level of condescension from that family
and stress and storylines that you know, you could see
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like Luke facing when he tries to come into the
Gilmour house. It's like, who is this inappropriate person? He
doesn't dress, you know, and I think that's how high
falutin the the What the Huntsburgers are, Yeah, I mean
what a name, right, I mean the Palatine has even
gave it that name Huntsburger. Well.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I love that episode when it's like, but I'm a
Gilmore because like Rory had always like when she meets
that family for the first time, like like that name
for Luke, you know, they made him feel like so
below and then Rory's having to have that same experience.
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He's like, wait, I haven't had to have this experience.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Because being a Gilmore kind of like.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
That was my grandparents like token, like I fit where
my mom bitten, and now I know what it feels
like to not fit right and having It's just cool
how the writers made it to where, you know, Laura
Life tried so hard to make Rory have everything, have
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the emotional connect connection and closeness that she didn't get
from her parents, but also all the opportunities that you know,
being in that family could provide and wanted her to
have something totally different, but like as you watch it,
you see that, like Rory still has to go through
a lot of the same similar experiences, maybe just like
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different model.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Of Laura Lie.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
And it's so interesting to kind of just watch that
and that's isn't that light life and what our parents,
like every parent tries to do. It's like it just
make it a little bit better, easier, but we still
all have to we have to go through this.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Human experience.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
And it's gonna come with a lot of getting love wrong, loss,
feeling like not good enough, not worthy, and watching Laura
I like, I mean, Laurai is my favorite character. I
don't I don't know how she can't be like she's
the best, like just watching her like try to help
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Rory through it, knowing trying so hard to take a
back seat, but then just always being there for her
and protecting her when like the thing that she really
wanted to protect her from Rory does anyway, Like so.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So good too. Well, let's get into you know, Richard's
retirement was a big storyline in this episode and had
great impact. So he doesn't tell Emily about it, and
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he's incredibly happy. Yeah, you know, he's got the monkey
off his back for the first time for forty years.
He's free as a bird. He's feeling great, but nobody
knows why. And then we find out at the Brave's
Bridge dinner it slips out. What are your thoughts on this?
Was he in the wrong for not telling her?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Or was he just I understand why he doesn't tell her.
I mean he doesn't everyone kind of understand why he
doesn't tell her.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I love Emily.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
I think she's like such an amazing character as well,
and but yeah, I think there's a pressure with her,
and I think he was done with the pressure and
just wanted to be able to not have to go
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into all the details of what this means now that
he's retired and just kind of live in it. And
eventually they do, of course, they're going to have to
get into the details of what does this mean Richard
being retired? But I kind of love that he got
to just like be happy and in the moment and
feel good about retirement, even though we all know.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
How I just just seeing his life, like how much
is he gonna actually love retirement? We'll see, but.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That he got to at least live in those feelings
of truly being happy and accept it, like it was
so fun to see and fun to see like Emily
just trying to like go with it and be like,
what is going on?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
He's right?
Speaker 1 (23:44):
But I loved I loved his monologue. I loved his
that scene late at night down in the living room
the lobby of the Dragonfly, when he said I didn't
expect to resign, but as I kept talking to the CEO,
I kept getting a little languier, and you know, I
realized that I just wanted to walk away. And what
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a what a great speech. Does you know what? I
want to get into your book. I know you don't
have a lot of time. You're super busy, You're doing
so many things. But let's get into your book a
little bit. Okay, Uh, the Four Engagement Rings of Sybil
Rain and this is going to be your second fiction book,
fourth overall? What inspired this one? So?
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Uh, this book is my second, like you said, romance novel.
And what started the whole thing is I wanted to
write a book about love stories but also how our
friends are some of the big the best love stories
that we have in our life, and how they support
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us in those big moments when we fall in love,
when love hurts us, when we have heartbreaking, when we
do ad evident that happily ever after. And so the
first idea was to write about these this core for
group of best friends.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And my first one.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Was about Emma and the setting of that book was
at this new book, Sybil Rain, the main character, at
her wedding weekend that does not go as planned. And
so as I was writing that first book, I knew, Okay,
I've got to write about this runaway bride and why
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she didn't commit to this lovely man or where did
she go? And so this book takes place a year
after the wedding gone wrong, and she's just wanting to
have a break of vacation. So she takes her honeymoon
ticket vouchers and goes on a nice.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Vacation to Hawaii to.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Not run into one but two of her ex fiances
and really has to, you know, get really slapped in
the face with her past and that she can't really
run from it anymore. And I really wanted to get
into which is so interesting because I started writing this
book before I started watching Gilmore Girls, and what I've
related to with Laura life so much. It's kind of
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that fear of commitment and getting it wrong. That's a
lot of what Sybil struggles with, like the commitment when
like your past seems to just always beat you to
the love that you really deserve, so that you can't
fully receive what is right in front of you because
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of these gnawing thoughts and feelings of the past and
not going right. And so that's really what the book
is about, is Sybil having to have that confrontation with
her past and learning to love herself first fully to
be able to receive the love that is right in
front of her.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
And so I feel like any who.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Loves Loreli would love Sybil because they are so similar,
like the light, the shiny, bright, fun thing that everybody
wants to be around. But when you really break it down,
is it really fun to be Sybil? Like in those
thoughts in that, you know, holding yourself back and watching
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somebody over you know, and getting to read about this
character overcoming that it's really fun and finding her happily
ever after.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Do you see this as something that could be turned
into a TV show or a film? And if so,
who do you want to play Sybil?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I would love that that would be a dream come true.
I feel like there could be so many people, and
you know, these things are so I don't really get
to pick who if this became a series, But like
Sidney Sweeney, I feel like would be so fun because
she has this kind of like lightness of out her
but seeing some of the roles that she's played, there's
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still like this dark this darkness that Sybil has that
I feel like Sydney could could be able to keep
both at play, So I think she could be a great.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Okay, Sydney Sweeney. If you're a fan and you're listening
to this col Hannah, you're going to get another offer.
We appreciate you coming on and carving out a little
part of your day for us. We know how busy
you are. You so busy on the business side. You're
getting married soon. Congratulations and all the best you. Please
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come back on.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I would love to. I've got to finish.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Up, finish up, and then come back on. We'd love
to have you back. Thank you for your time and
to the best fan base on the planet. I'm going
to see a Galaxy Con third week in July. Raleigh,
North Carolina, one of my favorite places on the planet.
Super fun weekend. I'll be there Thursday and Friday and
maybe Saturday too. I don't know, but I'll see you then. Anyway,
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keep the cards and letters coming, and remember always where
you lead, we will follow.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
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