November 27, 2025 • 44 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Oh, I am all in again with Scott Patterson and
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Speaker 1 (00:22):
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A deep fried Korean Thanksgiving air date November twenty six,
two thousand and two. So long ago. We very special
guest who needs no introduction. Beloved in the Gilmour universe.
(00:44):
You know our next guest as the perfect best friend
to Rory as Lane Kim Keiko againa joins us to
recap an iconic, extremely iconic Gilmore Girls episode. Keiko, welcome,
Nice to see you again.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
How Hi, Nice to see you too, Scott. It's good
to be back.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Good to be back. Great episode synopsis is a Laurel
I is shocked to learn Rory has applied to Yale,
and they have a memorable Thanksgiving when they end up
forcing down four celebratory meals, including a formal dinner party
with Richard and Emily, directed by the Great Kenny Ortega
(01:29):
and written by the greater Dan Palladino. Before we get
into it, Kiko, what do you remember about filming this,
this iconic Thanksgiving episode?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
That's a good question. How about you? What do you
remember I was gonna throw that potato back into your hands.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, then let's just get right into it. Prepping for Thanksgiving,
Loreal I has been avoiding Emily's calls, hasn't attended to
Friday Night dinners. Emily drops by at the end to
tell Laura I she expects her at Rory's Thanksgiving. You
know this is complicated for Rory and and and Laurel.
(02:12):
I Keiko, have you ever been to multiple Thanksgivings?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Sure, in that same day. I mean, I'm going to
friends giving tonight after I stop by. Hear, but I
wonder if I've done it in the same day. Probably
because our family is kind of spread out, it's sort
of inevitable. And then we also have those same type
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of things as what is what happened in the show
is that you have you have work relationships, you have
friend relationships, you have potential romantic relationships that you have
to juggle all at the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well, Thanksgiving Day, they first go to missus Kim, Rory
and Laura, and she's serving tofurky. David Galski's there, hired
by your mom as a Christian guitar player so that
they can lay the groundwork of Lane dating him. This
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is such a great storyline. It's just so and so funny.
And the one thing I enjoyed so much is that
when we first well, you know, Dave comes in in
the prior episodes, right, and he's so on it and
he's so and you're so pleased with how he's handling
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your mother that you just the beaming smile when he says, well,
my parents are in church now and they're going to
get out in like twenty minutes, and it's like code
to you to meet him in three and she doesn't
get it, you get it. It's just so great the
way this begins. What do you remember about out working
(04:00):
with Adam? Oh, because it seems like you guys have
this tremendous chemistry.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah. I think Adam is such a special performer. I
mean he's he's a very nice, charming guy in real life.
I mean, Adam is very easy to get along with,
and he's a he's a smart guy and a funny guy.
So it's it's fun. I think that he was happy
to have this little storyline as well, because it gives
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him a chance to do all of the charming things
that he's able to do, and that's such a great character.
I mean, you have the obstacle of missus Kim and
then all of the shenanigans that need to happen to
to make this little budding romance occur.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And this was really kind of This wasn't the first
thing he'd ever done, but this was kind of his
a little bit of his breakthrough role, was it?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
As you recall, I don't I don't remember what other
things he had done before that, but this, But I
think this is before he you know, he's a series
regular on a show. I'm assuming that recurring on a
television show is is great because you can really establish
a character and develop a fan base and things like that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
This is before the OC. So then he does this
for a year or two and then OC and then
Bubble And we have so.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Many people on our you know, whenever they do those
long lists of all the people that have been on
Gilmour Girls, like, I forgot that Matt Jones, who is
an incredible He's gone on to do a lot of things.
As I was rewatching this episode, I was like, oh
my god, Matt Jones is on there I actually do
improv with him very rarely, but sometimes I get a chance.
He's phenomenal funny. But he has a little bit at
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Suki and at the deep fried part of the deep
product Thanksgiving, all these people, you know, kind of pop up.
They were on that show, they were on our show too.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, all right, so we're gonna come back of this,
but we're gonna head to Suki's now and and talk
about Jackson and his deep frying a turkey. I mean,
the setup for this is just so hysterically funny. I mean,
what a contrast, you know, you go from from missus
(06:22):
Kim's quite stayed uh Thanksgiving celebration to go into like
the you know, the the rock, the rock and roll
version of of what a Thanksgiving could be. I mean,
it was just so much fun.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Right, And I love watching Melissa in that scene, both
both at the very beginning when you see her and
then when you wrap up when you come back to
her later on. But she's just so she plays frazzled
so well, Like at the very beginning, we see her
just uh manic and you know, uh, but her her discos.
(07:00):
It's fun to watch certain people be uncomfortable and She
just makes it so funny that how displeased she is
with everything that's going on and behind her.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You know, all all she would need to do on
an acting reel is put that first scene and then
that drunk scene, and there you go. It shows the
full range. Yeah, basically the full range of what she's
capable of doing. I mean, it's it's it's she's so good.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
She is so good.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
She's so hard to play drunk. It's so hard to
do it. You did it very well as.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, maybe, Schmid.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yes, no, no, no, you did a very good job
in that. You know that when they had that big
fight scene. There was a huge fight scene with right
Dean and Jess, And then you had that scene where
you were calling home, right right right, we're calling your
mother and you were hammered.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Uh huh?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Is that is that? What is that who you were calling?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes? I think I was calling you.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
The guts called your mother while you were drunk.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well doesn't isn't that how it happens? Though? Don't we
make all sorts of decisions when drunk. We many times regret,
you know, or conversations that need to be had, that
need that little extra juice in order to make them happen.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I don't know. I've never been drunk. I would not.
Oh okay, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I was gonna say I never.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I've never been drunk called my parents, that's for sure.
But all right, so lots of fun there. Suki is
getting a little unnerved by, you know, just the the
vibe that's been created there with all of these raucous individuals,
and then Jackson's playing into it. He comes out with
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a face mask and a and a bib and gloves
and he said, let's rock. Uh, And then they and
then they dip the turkey into the boiling oil and
the place explodes. I mean, the whole These guys just
(09:12):
oh man, they were tailgating. They were basically tail they
were tailgating. A Thanksgi family Thanksgiving fantastic. Then we see
uh uh and they had the Lukes, yeah, on their
quasi eating death march and they eat their male with
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Jess and and and Luke, who's a little disappointed that
they couldn't come. And then Laureli does the nice thing
and says, well, we're gonna make it rory and just kissed.
Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this kiss thing,
did you find it? Why is Jess so determined instead
(09:56):
of just being in love and focused on on this
budding relationship, right, Why does he risk, you know, appearing
manipulative or maybe he's just out of control, completely out
of control and almost demanding that it's not good enough
(10:17):
for him just to have won the battle and the
war with getting rory. You know, he's got to take
it to this level where he, let's rub it in
Dean's face, let's do this in front of Dozie. So
it kind of becomes about that. And when she calls
him on it and says, no, this is you know,
(10:41):
and he does, he's not pleased, and he just kind
of gives her a peck on sulks away. So, yeah,
that disturbed me. Did it disturb Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Well, you know, I think it's one of those things
where I think that, you know, because he's young, he's
a young person and he has a lot of maturing
to do. I think that's the thing that we yearn
for Jess to go through that kind of change. But
I think that that's a great example of not really
not valuing your partner's discomfort high enough and whatever it
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is that you think is fair or or or right
or justified that you can never bulldoze. The bulldozing is
what's what's really uncomfortable. It's that if the if your
partner is uncomfortable, that's it's like, okay, let's hold on,
let's find out why it's a valuable, important thing.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, that's a conversation that she's going to have to
have with him, like whoa. And if it happened again
where he just really insisted on it, then you've got
to reevaluate the whole relationship, right, I mean that's yeah, yeah,
that's well, we'll see what happens weaponizing a right right, right,
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and then they finally head to their their last stop
Emily and Richards, right. And I don't know this, this
might be my all time favorite inside the Gilmour House
rep Parte.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Oh nice. Wow, that's saying a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I mean, you just had the great lines flying around
the mile a minute. There was so much conflict there.
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
It's necessary fuel. It's necessary tension, and it's a necessary
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anxiety that that Laurel is having for you. Keiko. Is
Laurel I being selfish? Here? Is she making it about
her her feelings, or her contra or her parents, or
(13:04):
is it really Emily and Richard's total lack of respect
or total lack of recognition of the boundaries here and
respecting laurel I's you know, authority, respecting her relationship with
her own daughter. And you know that Richard and Emily
(13:28):
had these conversations before they went to I don't believe
Emily for a minute that she says I knew nothing
about this. Of course she did. They talked about it,
you know, they had to them. So what are your
thoughts on that, Laurle I really really really getting super
upset a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I think that's what makes this relationship so good is
that Lorala I has such a sensitive spot there. You
know that the very like a light breeze will just
you know, hurt her. But it's believable. And I think
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that's why we keep coming back to that, is that
it's just true people. We as people have those deep injuries,
and Lorala has this injury that she has never fully
recovered from. It's just this sensitive sore spot where she
feels like she's not she's not in control of her
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own life, or wasn't in the past, and she feels
like Rory is an extension of her, and so to
feel when whenever she has that tiny little sense that
she's losing control of her of her autonomy, she it's
just inflamed. It's like it's like everything is just as
fresh as it was, you know, when she was a
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child and she couldn't she had no real control over
her life and that and that's that's what I love.
That's why I think you have a series that could
last so long, is that Lauren was great at making
it believable in that moment that, yes, it's it's not
sensical how she's acting, but you believe that that's just
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her trying to deal with her to get a handle
on her emotions.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Right, And I'm glad she's acknowledged that, you know, in
her little speech to Rory. Yes, the end of the episode,
you know, I understand in my mind, I wish my
mind could have a meeting with my body and tell
it like this is the rational approach. Of Course, you
want a backup plan. Of course, Yale would be a
great place in you coming out on the other side
(15:44):
of any of these Ivy League schools would be a
great thing. For you. Yeah, she just can't. It's it's
got to be impossible to deal with the meddling, right.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, yes, and you can feel it in her, in
her whole I think. Yeah, so interesting about how she
talks about time, because that's also that's also her brain
trying to regain some sense of control. She's like, I
have a plan. It's going to be two hours. I
can I can manage this. She's just trying to put
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all of these tools in place for herself to feel
like she's still in control, because she's barely hanging on.
And we believe her that she she needs all of
these different mental games that she plays with herself in
order to get a sense that she's in control of
this situation. Right. Yeah, it's fun. It is terrible to watch,
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but fun also, right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
But it's you know, the absolute spine of this entire
piece is this relationship. Yes, it is this this fracture,
and you know, will it heal? Will they ever get
close to parody? Will they ever for distonte? You know?
And and it always seems they get a little they
(17:06):
get close sometimes and there's these little moments where there's
mutual respect and some love maybe you know, the light
shining a little brighter, and then Bubbo. There's so many
things that make it collapse and collapse fast because there's
such lack of trust. It's like it's like the two
sides do not trust each other. Yes, yes, so nobody,
(17:29):
nobody's getting the benefit of the doubts. She's not giving
them the benefit of doubt the same way. It's coming
back the other way.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh no, not at all, because I think for Emily, certainly,
what Laura did to her was the the worst pain
that she's ever felt, I'm sure you know, And so
she's dealing she's so wounded by this deep betrayal of
her daughter in that fierce rejection, that everything, everything that
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she every time she speaks, it's loaded. You just even
feel how heavy because that guilt is always the guilt
that she's trying to enforce and impose on Laura. Lai
is always just behind her words because she's still nursing
(18:19):
that huge pain at rejection.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
The question that's oft asked but to all of us
by the press and by fans, you know, why is
this show so enduring? Why does it hit people on
such a deep level. I think what we're discussing now
really addresses that it's because of this, this very anchored
(18:53):
and ancient pain that these two have for one another
or against, you know, Laura versus Emily and Richard. It's
it's it's so relatable, it's so universal, it's so deep,
and everything springs from that. And that's really the essence
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of in a way, to one degree or another, all families.
M There isn't a family that hasn't experienced a touch
of this. There's families that have more strife than this,
But I mean this is the most universal, the most relatable.
(19:36):
I mean, what a great setup for a show. Yeah,
I mean what it's just a beautiful setup for a show.
I mean, it couldn't fail, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think also something that that has kind of come
to me in more recent interviews is this thought that
I think perhaps something that special about Gilmourborls is that
you have people that disagree, but you know that they
love each other. You know that they love each other,
(20:09):
and so to be able to see people who do
not agree about anything, who have different philosophies, but you
know that the love is underneath. That's with Emily and Lorelei,
that's with missus Kimmon lane that comes up. It's a
(20:29):
you know, Taylor and Luke, I mean they are like
there are a lot of these different forces, but you
never doubt that everybody in this in this little bubble
of this world stars Hollow or the Gilmore Girls as
a whole that people love and need each other.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, it's a love story.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
It is a love story.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
It's it's ultimately a love story. It's a it's a
dysfunctional family, yes, background, but at the forefront it's positive.
It's it's it's moving towards love. Yes, it's it's it's
just so remarkable. The setup is so good. Yeah, man,
that's why so many people right in the business, writers
(21:13):
have attempted to write something. It inspired a lot of
TV shows.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I yes, I think so. And it's interesting because you
think there are a lot of different aspects of the
show that you can pull from. Certainly the fast paced
dialogue and the uh uh not social commentary, but the
(21:42):
the oh my gosh, it's escaping me. But like the
where where you're naming a bunch of different references, right,
But I think one of the things that would be
I would love to see more of is a kind
of is a kind of positivity. That's it. That's the positivity,
(22:07):
but that you're not shying away from challenging, challenging emotions.
I don't know. Maybe that's a show that I would
love to.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, And that's the message here right with Gilmore girls.
It's keep striving, keep the faith. It's going to get better. Yeah,
we keep loving each other, we keep trying, We're going
to know it is. It's it's it's moving forward. It's
it's moving us forward. It's it's it's a show that's
(22:37):
so full of hope. Yeah, by showing the uh, sometimes
the seamy side of the family dynamic. All right, m
Kirk and his cat Kirk.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But you know Sean hadcat too.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Did he really in real life?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, so who knows.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I gotta tell you that maybe the funniest speech ever
written for him, Yeah, may have occurred in this episode
when he's describing in the diner the Thanksgiving, when the Thanksgiving,
when he's describing how the cat he how he hid
naked in his bathtub, knowing that cats have an aversion
(23:33):
to water, but not this cat, it seemed to empower. Yeah,
just the image of a crazed cat going at a
naked Kirk.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, come on, man, the Kirk Runners, you know, having that,
having that him be able to come in and just
pop in multiple times during an episode, and this is
a this is a classic one.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
This is and uh, he's sustaining some pretty pretty serious
injuries and ultimately he uh he ended up sleeping on
the yes in the gazebo.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
In the gazebo.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh my god, I tell you what a miracle that
character is. No, I know it, it's it's it's you know.
You get asked. I get asked this a lot. What
other character would you want to play in the show?
I always say Kirk. I'd love a shot it, Like,
I don't know if the entire run of the series,
I'd love to hit a couple of episodes is Kirk. Oh,
(24:39):
just to try to pull it off? Oh yeah, if
you could be that funny?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh, I know. And he got such great storylines too,
My goodness, what fun things he gets to play.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Then he must have had a blast writing for him.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yes, I'm sure, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I gotta tell you. Yeah, one of the there were
a couple of really great moments. And we're bouncing around
a little bit, but that's okay. When he started playing
when you when you asked your mom, can Adam have
a break, and she says no, he's we hired him
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to play. He gets no breaks, and he continues to
play softly, and then she starts walking away and he
starts riffing on with that Nirvana song. Yeah but and
she stops and turns like, what the heck?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yes this morning when I was because I was doing
my rewatch early this morning. I think I got up
at like six point thirty this morning before I dropped
my husband off of the airport, and he was watching
that and we both burst out laughing because he's a
musician too, so that riff came up so good.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And then we get that beautiful call back after he
kisses you, oh yeah, and then he leaves and you're
just you just have this look on your face and
you're kind of like wavering a little. It's just kind
of like in La La Land. It was so great
that moment, and then we then the actual song called
(26:09):
I Don't Thinking Boy. That must have cost him a
pretty petty true right, Yeah, yeah, it was still fresher,
but probably not. I mean today it would be more,
but back then it was still but what a great moment.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
They they love their music. The Palladinos. Oh yeah, yeah,
mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So great. Not a big Luke Laurelye show. It was really,
it was really the It was really the Keiko Missus,
Kim Dave Rgalski Show, and the Emily uh and the
Emily Richard Laurel Eye Show.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But you know what I thought was so nice, and
I meant to mention it when we're actually talking about
that scene, was that I love when shows do this
where they say, oh, he looked disappointed, you know, because
what you did was so subtle. And I love when
when and that because that shows what it really shows
to me is how well they know you right right?
(27:11):
You know. That's always my favorite thing because it actually
shows in a very quick way you get a feeling
of how characters are are related to each other when
they're so affected by a small gesture, right. And I
thought that was such a great I thought that was
just such a great way to show those complicated emotions.
(27:34):
And and how many times, you know, Luke said, oh,
it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal.
But we knew, we knew that, you know, we know.
The opposite is true and just I love Also, I
love at the point where as soon as they sat down,
like all the plates are just fully dressed, you know,
like they all been sitting under the warmer, you know,
the whole time, just and they came as basically as
(27:57):
soon as they sat down, they're all like full right.
So it just tells so much with so little.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And I also like that she took the marshmallows off
his plate while he was getting Yes, more marshmallows for her.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It just shows a closeness, you know, I really I
love that. But you're right, it's like this writing is
so good that the challenge is really how small can
I be?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it really does give you that opportunity because that's
really where you want to live, in the small and
the smallness of it, because then it's so big, right
and you don't need and gosh, man, it's like acting
Police Central. So many times I have beg for another
take and I said, well why, It's like I just
(28:47):
thought it was too big and it was too showy,
and I got it, just I don't need to do that,
and they're like, uh okay, and then I'm like, thank.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
God, oh nice, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh sure, yeah, because you just don't need to do much. Yeah,
and that's that's the discipline with this writing, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, I think it's also I mean, I think also
your character was one that had to be restrained because
it was all about restraint. You know, if you did
too much, and I'm sure whoever else was auditioning at
the time, you know, probably did it, probably did too much.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
The supreme challenge of that role. Yeah, so many times
I just wanted to go bigger. And that's like, no, don't, please,
don't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Right because if you kind of once you once you
go too far, it's hard to pull it back because
you are you already established it as a different type
of person. Yeah, it can't like you can't like rein it.
You can't put it back in the barn or whatever that.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Thing, right, horse horse out of the barn. Yeah. I
like those kind of roles. Yeah. Yeah, they're very challenging.
But gosh, man, you actually can do a lot. You
can do a lot on top of that. There's a
lot to do to cover. Yeah, there isn't nothing to do. Yeah, yeah, yes,
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there's a lot you can do on top of it
without being obvious about it, and that's fun. It's fun
discovering that stuff. Oh man, I got do you miss
this show? Do you miss doing this dialogue? You miss
these situations that they put you in? I do you know?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
What I did? Was when I was watching it. It's
so funny and actors are so such funny creatures or
artists or everything. I'm watching it going, oh, I wish
I could do that scene again. I think I would.
Do you know, you're always You're always like I'm always
recalibrating me like hypercritical a little differently if I had
(30:48):
another shot at it, right, But it's so you know
what else I thought though when I was watching it
and I was telling my husband after as well as like, damn,
it was well, it was well cast. You know. I'm
looking especially at like especially at Alexis and just thinking like,
she's she's she's an anomaly, and that she also talk
(31:12):
about restraints because you she's not out there like pushing
her acting on you. She's out there being and because
she is so the shyness and the reserve that you feel,
you just know as an audience member, you just feel
the sense of her. It's that other people can go
(31:35):
and be more extreme. And it's because you're reserved that
Lorala can be so extreme, you know. It's why Paris
works off of off of Alexis, do you know, because
she's so she's so still and people can be so
big around or when it worked as well, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, you can't put to people like that together. Yea
as the core. You know, if you have two people
that are going off like the fourth of July at
all times, it gets a little exhausting. Yeah, she's smooth,
and but again she's working really small, yes, and she's
(32:19):
really good at it. Her instincts are really great. I'm
marvel at what she does for somebody who had like
very little acting experience if any. Yeah, right, I mean
she's just like coming at a was she even taking
acting classes and then she walks into this audition and
(32:41):
she was a freshman at NY she was like she
was like going to film school, right.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I think at the beginning she was even more interested
in directing or something like that. Yeah, film interested necessarily. Ye.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And she's got all of these instincts and it's just
marvel at it. Me too, I'm marvel at what she
was capable of doing. The more I watch this, I'm
just like, wow, me too. You know that's where I'm
trying to get to. Damn it. It's it's that easy.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You know, give us another decade and a half. Well,
it'll be.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Fine to get there one day.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
We're going We're getting close.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
We're getting there, We're getting there, all right. This closing scene, this, uh,
you know, Suki's brilliance, Melissa McCarthy's brilliance on full display
(33:47):
here doing an incredibly like if we were to compare
this to like the ten meter platform diving competition, this
would be a very degree of difficult on. This dive
is like through the roof. And she kind of did
it with ease.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yes, it looks very easy.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
And it and it and it and she the comedy
was there, She nailed all everything. Everything was perfect. That
that performance right there, the way she laid it down
was perfection. Now a detail left out?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, what do you say at ease? That's a great word. Yes,
she just let it flow.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Man. Man, I rewound that scene four times and watched it,
and it's just the woman is a miracle, a miracle.
Uh so really just just fantastic work. And and then
we have the final scene, the closing well, well not
(35:01):
the final scene. This is the penultimate scene where Rory
and just kiss She kisses him in front of the diner,
making a statement, making a big statement like we're doing
this in front of Luke and Laura l I and
here I go, I'm gonna smoot cheru right in front
(35:22):
of the window here right, And uh, it just makes
me like her even more because she's just trying to
make the guy feel better, you know, and she probably
wants to kiss him too.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, And she's trying to she's trying to grow up
in this town where everyone knows who she is. She's
kind of like she's kind of like this a celebrity.
Well it's a small town, so everyone knows who who
who everyone is. But but Rory, it's it's she is
(35:59):
like every one loves her, you know, everyone feels a
certain way of protective about her or and she and
and have known her since she was a child, and
so how does how does she establish herself as as
not a child anymore?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Ye? Growing pains? We're watching it, yeah, beautiful. Uh. And
then this this final confrontation scene between Jeane and Desk,
Gene and Dess Jess and Dean. Well, Dean's character takes
a step into the spotlight, doesn't he It's like, this
(36:41):
ain't over, buddy. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Uh, that was quite something. That was real drama. That
was that was a beautiful setup for what's to come
or what could come. And uh, you know, if I
got a six foot four dude who's angry and has
a real bond to pick, that's like Jess was looking
pretty small in that scene. Whunny. I mean you you
(37:08):
really notice the height difference there, and and and an
angry six foot four is much different from a from
a kind of a mousey guy who's just sort of
taking it on the chin all the time.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And we noticed that, we noticed that who do they
give the leather jacket to this time? It's I was like, oh,
they're establishing something. Who's the bad boy? Dean's wearing a
leather jacket, yes, has this nice blue sweater on. So
(37:41):
it's also one of those subtle things where you're like, oh, somebody,
somebody's getting tough.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, man, man, what's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? Overall?
I gotta say so far, and this keeps changing for you.
But this is my favorite episode so far.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Are you sure you don't say that all the time.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I don't say it all the time. I don't say
it all the time. This is about I thought, I,
you know, two on two prior occasions, I had favorite episodes,
like I didn't think anything could knock it off this.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Wow, Oh wow, wow, that's saying a lot.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, this this was my There just wasn't a flaw.
There was so much in it.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
There are a lot of they stuffed it like they
stuffed the turkey.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yes, Thanksgiving and it's a big it's probably a sweeps week.
Oh that's true, you know, thanksgiv big Thanksgiving episode. And
after I was done watching, you know, my wife came
in and we were watching the second half together and
I turned to when I said, this show is never
(38:54):
going to go away. She goes, you're just beginning to
realize that now, I said, But this doesn't age. This
is so good, I said, how is anybody ever going
to match this? Yeah? This is extraordinary. This show is extraordinary.
(39:16):
You know, we didn't even ask you any questions. You
narrated Christine Eckert's book Meet Me at Lukes. I did
about the life and love lessons of Gilmore Girls. You
narrated Meet Me at Lukes. You narrated it.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I did so the audio if you buy the audio book,
it's my voice, but it's really Christine's story. So a
lot of the book is a lot about her personal life,
which very interesting, and then also lessons that can be
learned from Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Okay, Okay, great, Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I get that for a few for few days and
got to got to spend time with it and got
reminded also a lot about all of the different scenes
that are in Gilmo Girls. She kind of spans the
whole series.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
In a way. Okay, cool, and something you're doing now,
you're starring in Breaking Bread and improv improvised family dinner
at the outside in theater every Saturday until Christmas. This
is an unscripted show. How's that going?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yes? Oh, I love it. We just had our first one.
I'm gonna I'm filling in and I'm adding a show
with them this Saturday because we have a cast that's
changing because it's improv But outside In is a new space.
It's Tamlintimita, who I've known for a long time, and
her husband, Daniel Blinkoff, and they do scripted and unscripted,
(40:55):
but the unscripted is as a result of a lot
of soul though together. So we get to know each
other as improvisers really well in this mt and then
this one is a holiday show, so we actually eat food.
We all bring. I bring mac and cheese. It's very good.
People love it. I know it's weird to brag about
(41:16):
mac and cheese, but I'm telling you it's really good.
If you had it, it's really good. And so we
bring it and we improvise the first half and then
the second part of the show after intermission we actually
eat and it's a family dinner. That's speaking of underlying
tensions within family. Things start kind of exploding and having
(41:39):
ramifications of all of the secrets that have sort of
built up over the.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
That's fun, all right. It's super fun breaking bread and
improvised family dinner at the outside in theater every Saturday
until Christmas. Where's the outside in theater? Is it downtown
Highland Park Park?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's new. Yeah, it's gorgeous town. I've I've loved her forever,
but she has like impeccable taste and in clothing and everything.
She always looks fantastic and she has brought that to
this space, so it just looks gorgeous. They have a
skylight that is like a stained glass skylight that is phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
All right, go check it out, everybody. Thank you again
for spending some time with us. It's always a pleasure
breaking down these episodes.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
With you, and thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Maybe I'm not announcing anything, but maybe maybe maybe we'll
see over the holidays. I don't know. Perhaps perhaps maybe
we'll see it holidays made here. I don't know. I'm
not saying anything. Maybe we'll see you. I'm doing a residency.
I'm doing a seventeen day residency, so.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Sort of you are putting in the hours.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
My friend, I'm gonna be there every day.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
You're You're gonna need to drink your own coffee and
get there and have the energy.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Always enjoy, good luck with your new show and the
success of Meet Me Luke's and and remember, best fans
on the planet watching the best show on the planet.
And maybe that has ever been. The more I watch it,
the more I am convinced of that it's not just opinion,
(43:31):
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and letters coming. And we really appreciate the communicas and
remember where you lead, we will follow.
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A deep fried Korean Thanksgiving air date November twenty six,
two thousand and two. So long ago. We very special
guest who needs no introduction. Beloved in the Gilmour universe.
(00:44):
You know our next guest as the perfect best friend
to Rory as Lane Kim Keiko againa joins us to
recap an iconic, extremely iconic Gilmore Girls episode. Keiko, welcome,
Nice to see you again.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
How Hi, Nice to see you too, Scott. It's good
to be back.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Good to be back. Great episode synopsis is a Laurel
I is shocked to learn Rory has applied to Yale,
and they have a memorable Thanksgiving when they end up
forcing down four celebratory meals, including a formal dinner party
with Richard and Emily, directed by the Great Kenny Ortega
(01:29):
and written by the greater Dan Palladino. Before we get
into it, Kiko, what do you remember about filming this,
this iconic Thanksgiving episode?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
That's a good question. How about you? What do you
remember I was gonna throw that potato back into your hands.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, then let's just get right into it. Prepping for Thanksgiving,
Loreal I has been avoiding Emily's calls, hasn't attended to
Friday Night dinners. Emily drops by at the end to
tell Laura I she expects her at Rory's Thanksgiving. You
know this is complicated for Rory and and and Laurel.
(02:12):
I Keiko, have you ever been to multiple Thanksgivings?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Sure, in that same day. I mean, I'm going to
friends giving tonight after I stop by. Hear, but I
wonder if I've done it in the same day. Probably
because our family is kind of spread out, it's sort
of inevitable. And then we also have those same type
(02:41):
of things as what is what happened in the show
is that you have you have work relationships, you have
friend relationships, you have potential romantic relationships that you have
to juggle all at the same time.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Well, Thanksgiving Day, they first go to missus Kim, Rory
and Laura, and she's serving tofurky. David Galski's there, hired
by your mom as a Christian guitar player so that
they can lay the groundwork of Lane dating him. This
(03:16):
is such a great storyline. It's just so and so funny.
And the one thing I enjoyed so much is that
when we first well, you know, Dave comes in in
the prior episodes, right, and he's so on it and
he's so and you're so pleased with how he's handling
(03:37):
your mother that you just the beaming smile when he says, well,
my parents are in church now and they're going to
get out in like twenty minutes, and it's like code
to you to meet him in three and she doesn't
get it, you get it. It's just so great the
way this begins. What do you remember about out working
(04:00):
with Adam? Oh, because it seems like you guys have
this tremendous chemistry.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah. I think Adam is such a special performer. I
mean he's he's a very nice, charming guy in real life.
I mean, Adam is very easy to get along with,
and he's a he's a smart guy and a funny guy.
So it's it's fun. I think that he was happy
to have this little storyline as well, because it gives
(04:32):
him a chance to do all of the charming things
that he's able to do, and that's such a great character.
I mean, you have the obstacle of missus Kim and
then all of the shenanigans that need to happen to
to make this little budding romance occur.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
And this was really kind of This wasn't the first
thing he'd ever done, but this was kind of his
a little bit of his breakthrough role, was it?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
As you recall, I don't I don't remember what other
things he had done before that, but this, But I
think this is before he you know, he's a series
regular on a show. I'm assuming that recurring on a
television show is is great because you can really establish
a character and develop a fan base and things like that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
This is before the OC. So then he does this
for a year or two and then OC and then
Bubble And we have so.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Many people on our you know, whenever they do those
long lists of all the people that have been on
Gilmour Girls, like, I forgot that Matt Jones, who is
an incredible He's gone on to do a lot of things.
As I was rewatching this episode, I was like, oh
my god, Matt Jones is on there I actually do
improv with him very rarely, but sometimes I get a chance.
He's phenomenal funny. But he has a little bit at
(05:50):
Suki and at the deep fried part of the deep
product Thanksgiving, all these people, you know, kind of pop up.
They were on that show, they were on our show too.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Yeah, all right, so we're gonna come back of this,
but we're gonna head to Suki's now and and talk
about Jackson and his deep frying a turkey. I mean,
the setup for this is just so hysterically funny. I mean,
what a contrast, you know, you go from from missus
(06:22):
Kim's quite stayed uh Thanksgiving celebration to go into like
the you know, the the rock, the rock and roll
version of of what a Thanksgiving could be. I mean,
it was just so much fun.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Right, And I love watching Melissa in that scene, both
both at the very beginning when you see her and
then when you wrap up when you come back to
her later on. But she's just so she plays frazzled
so well, Like at the very beginning, we see her
just uh manic and you know, uh, but her her discos.
(07:00):
It's fun to watch certain people be uncomfortable and She
just makes it so funny that how displeased she is
with everything that's going on and behind her.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
You know, all all she would need to do on
an acting reel is put that first scene and then
that drunk scene, and there you go. It shows the
full range. Yeah, basically the full range of what she's
capable of doing. I mean, it's it's it's she's so good.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
She is so good.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
She's so hard to play drunk. It's so hard to
do it. You did it very well as.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Well, maybe, Schmid.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yes, no, no, no, you did a very good job
in that. You know that when they had that big
fight scene. There was a huge fight scene with right
Dean and Jess, And then you had that scene where
you were calling home, right right right, we're calling your
mother and you were hammered.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Uh huh?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Is that is that? What is that who you were calling?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes? I think I was calling you.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
The guts called your mother while you were drunk.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Well doesn't isn't that how it happens? Though? Don't we
make all sorts of decisions when drunk. We many times regret,
you know, or conversations that need to be had, that
need that little extra juice in order to make them happen.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I don't know. I've never been drunk. I would not.
Oh okay, I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I was gonna say I never.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I've never been drunk called my parents, that's for sure.
But all right, so lots of fun there. Suki is
getting a little unnerved by, you know, just the the
vibe that's been created there with all of these raucous individuals,
and then Jackson's playing into it. He comes out with
(08:50):
a face mask and a and a bib and gloves
and he said, let's rock. Uh, And then they and
then they dip the turkey into the boiling oil and
the place explodes. I mean, the whole These guys just
(09:12):
oh man, they were tailgating. They were basically tail they
were tailgating. A Thanksgi family Thanksgiving fantastic. Then we see
uh uh and they had the Lukes, yeah, on their
quasi eating death march and they eat their male with
(09:32):
Jess and and and Luke, who's a little disappointed that
they couldn't come. And then Laureli does the nice thing
and says, well, we're gonna make it rory and just kissed.
Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this kiss thing,
did you find it? Why is Jess so determined instead
(09:56):
of just being in love and focused on on this
budding relationship, right, Why does he risk, you know, appearing
manipulative or maybe he's just out of control, completely out
of control and almost demanding that it's not good enough
(10:17):
for him just to have won the battle and the
war with getting rory. You know, he's got to take
it to this level where he, let's rub it in
Dean's face, let's do this in front of Dozie. So
it kind of becomes about that. And when she calls
him on it and says, no, this is you know,
(10:41):
and he does, he's not pleased, and he just kind
of gives her a peck on sulks away. So, yeah,
that disturbed me. Did it disturb Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Well, you know, I think it's one of those things
where I think that, you know, because he's young, he's
a young person and he has a lot of maturing
to do. I think that's the thing that we yearn
for Jess to go through that kind of change. But
I think that that's a great example of not really
not valuing your partner's discomfort high enough and whatever it
(11:18):
is that you think is fair or or or right
or justified that you can never bulldoze. The bulldozing is
what's what's really uncomfortable. It's that if the if your
partner is uncomfortable, that's it's like, okay, let's hold on,
let's find out why it's a valuable, important thing.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, that's a conversation that she's going to have to
have with him, like whoa. And if it happened again
where he just really insisted on it, then you've got
to reevaluate the whole relationship, right, I mean that's yeah, yeah,
that's well, we'll see what happens weaponizing a right right, right,
(12:02):
and then they finally head to their their last stop
Emily and Richards, right. And I don't know this, this
might be my all time favorite inside the Gilmour House
rep Parte.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Oh nice. Wow, that's saying a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I mean, you just had the great lines flying around
the mile a minute. There was so much conflict there.
Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.
It's necessary fuel. It's necessary tension, and it's a necessary
(12:44):
anxiety that that Laurel is having for you. Keiko. Is
Laurel I being selfish? Here? Is she making it about
her her feelings, or her contra or her parents, or
(13:04):
is it really Emily and Richard's total lack of respect
or total lack of recognition of the boundaries here and
respecting laurel I's you know, authority, respecting her relationship with
her own daughter. And you know that Richard and Emily
(13:28):
had these conversations before they went to I don't believe
Emily for a minute that she says I knew nothing
about this. Of course she did. They talked about it,
you know, they had to them. So what are your
thoughts on that, Laurle I really really really getting super
upset a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I think that's what makes this relationship so good is
that Lorala I has such a sensitive spot there. You
know that the very like a light breeze will just
you know, hurt her. But it's believable. And I think
(14:12):
that's why we keep coming back to that, is that
it's just true people. We as people have those deep injuries,
and Lorala has this injury that she has never fully
recovered from. It's just this sensitive sore spot where she
feels like she's not she's not in control of her
(14:33):
own life, or wasn't in the past, and she feels
like Rory is an extension of her, and so to
feel when whenever she has that tiny little sense that
she's losing control of her of her autonomy, she it's
just inflamed. It's like it's like everything is just as
fresh as it was, you know, when she was a
(14:54):
child and she couldn't she had no real control over
her life and that and that's that's what I love.
That's why I think you have a series that could
last so long, is that Lauren was great at making
it believable in that moment that, yes, it's it's not
sensical how she's acting, but you believe that that's just
(15:16):
her trying to deal with her to get a handle
on her emotions.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Right, And I'm glad she's acknowledged that, you know, in
her little speech to Rory. Yes, the end of the episode,
you know, I understand in my mind, I wish my
mind could have a meeting with my body and tell
it like this is the rational approach. Of Course, you
want a backup plan. Of course, Yale would be a
great place in you coming out on the other side
(15:44):
of any of these Ivy League schools would be a
great thing. For you. Yeah, she just can't. It's it's
got to be impossible to deal with the meddling, right.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, yes, and you can feel it in her, in
her whole I think. Yeah, so interesting about how she
talks about time, because that's also that's also her brain
trying to regain some sense of control. She's like, I
have a plan. It's going to be two hours. I
can I can manage this. She's just trying to put
(16:19):
all of these tools in place for herself to feel
like she's still in control, because she's barely hanging on.
And we believe her that she she needs all of
these different mental games that she plays with herself in
order to get a sense that she's in control of
this situation. Right. Yeah, it's fun. It is terrible to watch,
(16:44):
but fun also, right.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
But it's you know, the absolute spine of this entire
piece is this relationship. Yes, it is this this fracture,
and you know, will it heal? Will they ever get
close to parody? Will they ever for distonte? You know?
And and it always seems they get a little they
(17:06):
get close sometimes and there's these little moments where there's
mutual respect and some love maybe you know, the light
shining a little brighter, and then Bubbo. There's so many
things that make it collapse and collapse fast because there's
such lack of trust. It's like it's like the two
sides do not trust each other. Yes, yes, so nobody,
(17:29):
nobody's getting the benefit of the doubts. She's not giving
them the benefit of doubt the same way. It's coming
back the other way.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Oh no, not at all, because I think for Emily, certainly,
what Laura did to her was the the worst pain
that she's ever felt, I'm sure you know, And so
she's dealing she's so wounded by this deep betrayal of
her daughter in that fierce rejection, that everything, everything that
(17:57):
she every time she speaks, it's loaded. You just even
feel how heavy because that guilt is always the guilt
that she's trying to enforce and impose on Laura. Lai
is always just behind her words because she's still nursing
(18:19):
that huge pain at rejection.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
The question that's oft asked but to all of us
by the press and by fans, you know, why is
this show so enduring? Why does it hit people on
such a deep level. I think what we're discussing now
really addresses that it's because of this, this very anchored
(18:53):
and ancient pain that these two have for one another
or against, you know, Laura versus Emily and Richard. It's
it's it's so relatable, it's so universal, it's so deep,
and everything springs from that. And that's really the essence
(19:13):
of in a way, to one degree or another, all families.
M There isn't a family that hasn't experienced a touch
of this. There's families that have more strife than this,
But I mean this is the most universal, the most relatable.
(19:36):
I mean, what a great setup for a show. Yeah,
I mean what it's just a beautiful setup for a show.
I mean, it couldn't fail, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think also something that that has kind of come
to me in more recent interviews is this thought that
I think perhaps something that special about Gilmourborls is that
you have people that disagree, but you know that they
love each other. You know that they love each other,
(20:09):
and so to be able to see people who do
not agree about anything, who have different philosophies, but you
know that the love is underneath. That's with Emily and Lorelei,
that's with missus Kimmon lane that comes up. It's a
(20:29):
you know, Taylor and Luke, I mean they are like
there are a lot of these different forces, but you
never doubt that everybody in this in this little bubble
of this world stars Hollow or the Gilmore Girls as
a whole that people love and need each other.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, it's a love story.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
It is a love story.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
It's it's ultimately a love story. It's a it's a
dysfunctional family, yes, background, but at the forefront it's positive.
It's it's it's moving towards love. Yes, it's it's it's
just so remarkable. The setup is so good. Yeah, man,
that's why so many people right in the business, writers
(21:13):
have attempted to write something. It inspired a lot of
TV shows.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I yes, I think so. And it's interesting because you
think there are a lot of different aspects of the
show that you can pull from. Certainly the fast paced
dialogue and the uh uh not social commentary, but the
(21:42):
the oh my gosh, it's escaping me. But like the
where where you're naming a bunch of different references, right,
But I think one of the things that would be
I would love to see more of is a kind
of is a kind of positivity. That's it. That's the positivity,
(22:07):
but that you're not shying away from challenging, challenging emotions.
I don't know. Maybe that's a show that I would
love to.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, And that's the message here right with Gilmore girls.
It's keep striving, keep the faith. It's going to get better. Yeah,
we keep loving each other, we keep trying, We're going
to know it is. It's it's it's moving forward. It's
it's moving us forward. It's it's it's a show that's
(22:37):
so full of hope. Yeah, by showing the uh, sometimes
the seamy side of the family dynamic. All right, m
Kirk and his cat Kirk.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But you know Sean hadcat too.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Did he really in real life?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Really? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, so who knows.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I gotta tell you that maybe the funniest speech ever
written for him, Yeah, may have occurred in this episode
when he's describing in the diner the Thanksgiving, when the Thanksgiving,
when he's describing how the cat he how he hid
naked in his bathtub, knowing that cats have an aversion
(23:33):
to water, but not this cat, it seemed to empower. Yeah,
just the image of a crazed cat going at a
naked Kirk.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, come on, man, the Kirk Runners, you know, having that,
having that him be able to come in and just
pop in multiple times during an episode, and this is
a this is a classic one.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
This is and uh, he's sustaining some pretty pretty serious
injuries and ultimately he uh he ended up sleeping on
the yes in the gazebo.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
In the gazebo.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh my god, I tell you what a miracle that
character is. No, I know it, it's it's it's you know.
You get asked. I get asked this a lot. What
other character would you want to play in the show?
I always say Kirk. I'd love a shot it, Like,
I don't know if the entire run of the series,
I'd love to hit a couple of episodes is Kirk. Oh,
(24:39):
just to try to pull it off? Oh yeah, if
you could be that funny?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh, I know. And he got such great storylines too,
My goodness, what fun things he gets to play.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Then he must have had a blast writing for him.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yes, I'm sure, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I gotta tell you. Yeah, one of the there were
a couple of really great moments. And we're bouncing around
a little bit, but that's okay. When he started playing
when you when you asked your mom, can Adam have
a break, and she says no, he's we hired him
(25:16):
to play. He gets no breaks, and he continues to
play softly, and then she starts walking away and he
starts riffing on with that Nirvana song. Yeah but and
she stops and turns like, what the heck?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yes this morning when I was because I was doing
my rewatch early this morning. I think I got up
at like six point thirty this morning before I dropped
my husband off of the airport, and he was watching
that and we both burst out laughing because he's a
musician too, so that riff came up so good.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
And then we get that beautiful call back after he
kisses you, oh yeah, and then he leaves and you're
just you just have this look on your face and
you're kind of like wavering a little. It's just kind
of like in La La Land. It was so great
that moment, and then we then the actual song called
(26:09):
I Don't Thinking Boy. That must have cost him a
pretty petty true right, Yeah, yeah, it was still fresher,
but probably not. I mean today it would be more,
but back then it was still but what a great moment.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
They they love their music. The Palladinos. Oh yeah, yeah,
mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
So great. Not a big Luke Laurelye show. It was really,
it was really the It was really the Keiko Missus,
Kim Dave Rgalski Show, and the Emily uh and the
Emily Richard Laurel Eye Show.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
But you know what I thought was so nice, and
I meant to mention it when we're actually talking about
that scene, was that I love when shows do this
where they say, oh, he looked disappointed, you know, because
what you did was so subtle. And I love when
when and that because that shows what it really shows
to me is how well they know you right right?
(27:11):
You know. That's always my favorite thing because it actually
shows in a very quick way you get a feeling
of how characters are are related to each other when
they're so affected by a small gesture, right. And I
thought that was such a great I thought that was
just such a great way to show those complicated emotions.
(27:34):
And and how many times, you know, Luke said, oh,
it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal.
But we knew, we knew that, you know, we know.
The opposite is true and just I love Also, I
love at the point where as soon as they sat down,
like all the plates are just fully dressed, you know,
like they all been sitting under the warmer, you know,
the whole time, just and they came as basically as
(27:57):
soon as they sat down, they're all like full right.
So it just tells so much with so little.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
And I also like that she took the marshmallows off
his plate while he was getting Yes, more marshmallows for her.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
It just shows a closeness, you know, I really I
love that. But you're right, it's like this writing is
so good that the challenge is really how small can
I be?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And it really does give you that opportunity because that's
really where you want to live, in the small and
the smallness of it, because then it's so big, right
and you don't need and gosh, man, it's like acting
Police Central. So many times I have beg for another
take and I said, well why, It's like I just
(28:47):
thought it was too big and it was too showy,
and I got it, just I don't need to do that,
and they're like, uh okay, and then I'm like, thank.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
God, oh nice, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Oh sure, yeah, because you just don't need to do much. Yeah,
and that's that's the discipline with this writing, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Well, I think it's also I mean, I think also
your character was one that had to be restrained because
it was all about restraint. You know, if you did
too much, and I'm sure whoever else was auditioning at
the time, you know, probably did it, probably did too much.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
The supreme challenge of that role. Yeah, so many times
I just wanted to go bigger. And that's like, no, don't, please,
don't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Right because if you kind of once you once you
go too far, it's hard to pull it back because
you are you already established it as a different type
of person. Yeah, it can't like you can't like rein it.
You can't put it back in the barn or whatever that.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Thing, right, horse horse out of the barn. Yeah. I
like those kind of roles. Yeah. Yeah, they're very challenging.
But gosh, man, you actually can do a lot. You
can do a lot on top of that. There's a
lot to do to cover. Yeah, there isn't nothing to do. Yeah, yeah, yes,
(30:11):
there's a lot you can do on top of it
without being obvious about it, and that's fun. It's fun
discovering that stuff. Oh man, I got do you miss
this show? Do you miss doing this dialogue? You miss
these situations that they put you in? I do you know?
Speaker 2 (30:27):
What I did? Was when I was watching it. It's
so funny and actors are so such funny creatures or
artists or everything. I'm watching it going, oh, I wish
I could do that scene again. I think I would.
Do you know, you're always You're always like I'm always
recalibrating me like hypercritical a little differently if I had
(30:48):
another shot at it, right, But it's so you know
what else I thought though when I was watching it
and I was telling my husband after as well as like, damn,
it was well, it was well cast. You know. I'm
looking especially at like especially at Alexis and just thinking like,
she's she's she's an anomaly, and that she also talk
(31:12):
about restraints because you she's not out there like pushing
her acting on you. She's out there being and because
she is so the shyness and the reserve that you feel,
you just know as an audience member, you just feel
the sense of her. It's that other people can go
(31:35):
and be more extreme. And it's because you're reserved that
Lorala can be so extreme, you know. It's why Paris
works off of off of Alexis, do you know, because
she's so she's so still and people can be so
big around or when it worked as well, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, you can't put to people like that together. Yea
as the core. You know, if you have two people
that are going off like the fourth of July at
all times, it gets a little exhausting. Yeah, she's smooth,
and but again she's working really small, yes, and she's
(32:19):
really good at it. Her instincts are really great. I'm
marvel at what she does for somebody who had like
very little acting experience if any. Yeah, right, I mean
she's just like coming at a was she even taking
acting classes and then she walks into this audition and
(32:41):
she was a freshman at NY she was like she
was like going to film school, right.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I think at the beginning she was even more interested
in directing or something like that. Yeah, film interested necessarily. Ye.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And she's got all of these instincts and it's just
marvel at it. Me too, I'm marvel at what she
was capable of doing. The more I watch this, I'm
just like, wow, me too. You know that's where I'm
trying to get to. Damn it. It's it's that easy.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You know, give us another decade and a half. Well,
it'll be.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Fine to get there one day.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
We're going We're getting close.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
We're getting there, We're getting there, all right. This closing scene, this, uh,
you know, Suki's brilliance, Melissa McCarthy's brilliance on full display
(33:47):
here doing an incredibly like if we were to compare
this to like the ten meter platform diving competition, this
would be a very degree of difficult on. This dive
is like through the roof. And she kind of did
it with ease.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yes, it looks very easy.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
And it and it and it and she the comedy
was there, She nailed all everything. Everything was perfect. That
that performance right there, the way she laid it down
was perfection. Now a detail left out?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, what do you say at ease? That's a great word. Yes,
she just let it flow.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Man. Man, I rewound that scene four times and watched it,
and it's just the woman is a miracle, a miracle.
Uh so really just just fantastic work. And and then
we have the final scene, the closing well, well not
(35:01):
the final scene. This is the penultimate scene where Rory
and just kiss She kisses him in front of the diner,
making a statement, making a big statement like we're doing
this in front of Luke and Laura l I and
here I go, I'm gonna smoot cheru right in front
(35:22):
of the window here right, And uh, it just makes
me like her even more because she's just trying to
make the guy feel better, you know, and she probably
wants to kiss him too.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, And she's trying to she's trying to grow up
in this town where everyone knows who she is. She's
kind of like she's kind of like this a celebrity.
Well it's a small town, so everyone knows who who
who everyone is. But but Rory, it's it's she is
(35:59):
like every one loves her, you know, everyone feels a
certain way of protective about her or and she and
and have known her since she was a child, and
so how does how does she establish herself as as
not a child anymore?
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Ye? Growing pains? We're watching it, yeah, beautiful. Uh. And
then this this final confrontation scene between Jeane and Desk,
Gene and Dess Jess and Dean. Well, Dean's character takes
a step into the spotlight, doesn't he It's like, this
(36:41):
ain't over, buddy. The chickens are coming home to roost.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Uh, that was quite something. That was real drama. That
was that was a beautiful setup for what's to come
or what could come. And uh, you know, if I
got a six foot four dude who's angry and has
a real bond to pick, that's like Jess was looking
pretty small in that scene. Whunny. I mean you you
(37:08):
really notice the height difference there, and and and an
angry six foot four is much different from a from
a kind of a mousey guy who's just sort of
taking it on the chin all the time.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
And we noticed that, we noticed that who do they
give the leather jacket to this time? It's I was like, oh,
they're establishing something. Who's the bad boy? Dean's wearing a
leather jacket, yes, has this nice blue sweater on. So
(37:41):
it's also one of those subtle things where you're like, oh, somebody,
somebody's getting tough.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, man, man, what's gonna happen? What's gonna happen? Overall?
I gotta say so far, and this keeps changing for you.
But this is my favorite episode so far.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Are you sure you don't say that all the time.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I don't say it all the time. I don't say
it all the time. This is about I thought, I,
you know, two on two prior occasions, I had favorite episodes,
like I didn't think anything could knock it off this.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Wow, Oh wow, wow, that's saying a lot.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, this this was my There just wasn't a flaw.
There was so much in it.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
There are a lot of they stuffed it like they
stuffed the turkey.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yes, Thanksgiving and it's a big it's probably a sweeps week.
Oh that's true, you know, thanksgiv big Thanksgiving episode. And
after I was done watching, you know, my wife came
in and we were watching the second half together and
I turned to when I said, this show is never
(38:54):
going to go away. She goes, you're just beginning to
realize that now, I said, But this doesn't age. This
is so good, I said, how is anybody ever going
to match this? Yeah? This is extraordinary. This show is extraordinary.
(39:16):
You know, we didn't even ask you any questions. You
narrated Christine Eckert's book Meet Me at Lukes. I did
about the life and love lessons of Gilmore Girls. You
narrated Meet Me at Lukes. You narrated it.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
I did so the audio if you buy the audio book,
it's my voice, but it's really Christine's story. So a
lot of the book is a lot about her personal life,
which very interesting, and then also lessons that can be
learned from Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Okay, Okay, great, Okay.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I get that for a few for few days and
got to got to spend time with it and got
reminded also a lot about all of the different scenes
that are in Gilmo Girls. She kind of spans the
whole series.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
In a way. Okay, cool, and something you're doing now,
you're starring in Breaking Bread and improv improvised family dinner
at the outside in theater every Saturday until Christmas. This
is an unscripted show. How's that going?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yes? Oh, I love it. We just had our first one.
I'm gonna I'm filling in and I'm adding a show
with them this Saturday because we have a cast that's
changing because it's improv But outside In is a new space.
It's Tamlintimita, who I've known for a long time, and
her husband, Daniel Blinkoff, and they do scripted and unscripted,
(40:55):
but the unscripted is as a result of a lot
of soul though together. So we get to know each
other as improvisers really well in this mt and then
this one is a holiday show, so we actually eat food.
We all bring. I bring mac and cheese. It's very good.
People love it. I know it's weird to brag about
(41:16):
mac and cheese, but I'm telling you it's really good.
If you had it, it's really good. And so we
bring it and we improvise the first half and then
the second part of the show after intermission we actually
eat and it's a family dinner. That's speaking of underlying
tensions within family. Things start kind of exploding and having
(41:39):
ramifications of all of the secrets that have sort of
built up over the.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
That's fun, all right. It's super fun breaking bread and
improvised family dinner at the outside in theater every Saturday
until Christmas. Where's the outside in theater? Is it downtown
Highland Park Park?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
It's new. Yeah, it's gorgeous town. I've I've loved her forever,
but she has like impeccable taste and in clothing and everything.
She always looks fantastic and she has brought that to
this space, so it just looks gorgeous. They have a
skylight that is like a stained glass skylight that is phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
All right, go check it out, everybody. Thank you again
for spending some time with us. It's always a pleasure
breaking down these episodes.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
With you, and thank you.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Maybe I'm not announcing anything, but maybe maybe maybe we'll
see over the holidays. I don't know. Perhaps perhaps maybe
we'll see it holidays made here. I don't know. I'm
not saying anything. Maybe we'll see you. I'm doing a residency.
I'm doing a seventeen day residency, so.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Sort of you are putting in the hours.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
My friend, I'm gonna be there every day.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
You're You're gonna need to drink your own coffee and
get there and have the energy.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Always enjoy, good luck with your new show and the
success of Meet Me Luke's and and remember, best fans
on the planet watching the best show on the planet.
And maybe that has ever been. The more I watch it,
the more I am convinced of that it's not just opinion,
(43:31):
it's becoming fact. It's becoming fact and keep the cards
and letters coming. And we really appreciate the communicas and
remember where you lead, we will follow.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Stay safe everyone, Hey, everybody to forget.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
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