May 26, 2025 • 39 mins
JESS HAS ARRIVED TO STARS HOLLOW!
Adam Wylie aka Brad Langford joins Scott this week to break down Jess’ big debut!
It’s the iconic Luke/Jess lake push! Hear the incredible behind the scenes details on how Scott and Milo Ventimiglia pulled it off!
Plus, hear Adam’s hot take on Jess’ storyline disrupting Rory’s relationship with Dean.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh that's just you. H.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast, one
of them productions. iHeartRadio Media. iHeart Podcast, Nick and Norris,
Sid and Nancy. Season two, Episode five, special guest Adam
Wiley Air Day, October thirty, two thousand and one. Adam welcome,
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How are you hey?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm well. How are you look? I did this for
you and you're.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
A fantastic Yeah, I see it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You look like you got a Walmart hat on. There
you go nice, There we go.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Now we're good. Now we're hem.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Adam's known for his role in Picket Fences, The Swan Princess,
the Broadway play Into the Woods, in which was actually
incorporated into the script. We will tell you about that later.
We see Adam first in season two, episode nine, Runaway
little Boy, as Brad Langford, a student at Chilton who
is absolutely terrified of Paris. So we know that his
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character is mentally healthy. You were going to We're going
to talk about all about you, but first let's recap
this episode. Luke takes in his wild seventeen year old
nephew Jess, ignoring laws well intentioned advice, and Rory is
drawn to the new guy in Town, directed by the
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Great Michael Cattleman and written by the Great Amy Sherman Palladino.
Jess is in town. Adam Luke gets called from his
sister Liz and her son Jess is going to stay
with Luke, so Luke puts Jess on the floor in
a blow up raft next to his bed. Luke has
a hard time managing Jeff Jess, to say the least,
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and his antics around town are many. Most likely with
push from Laurel I, Luke eventually takes charge of Jess
and and set some boundaries for all of his wrongdoings.
What's your first impression of Jess?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I mean, my first impression of Jess is that he's
a troubled kid. I think as soon as he comes
off that bus, you feel the energy that he's been
tossed around, that he doesn't want to be there, and
that he's just you know, this is this is just
his life now, this is another day, and he's angry.
He's angry at the world and feels like he's been
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his own parent for so long that that's the just
the way it is, there is no structure. He is
the structure. He hates it, right and he hates everyone
because of it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Right, Well, right out of the gate, you see that,
you know Luke and Jess. Is there chemistry right away?
What do you think ken feeling getting? What do we
get in between Luke and Jess?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You like it?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Here's the thing I think with Luke and Jess, you
can tell they're related, right. The energies are so similar
with the two characters, you definitely know that they are family.
I think I think Luke is excited for the opportunity.
I don't think Luke knows how to handle it, and
I think that's pretty obvious. I think it's obvious from
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the cold open that Luke doesn't know how to handle children.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And that just I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
That may with with the just the whole interaction with
with the with the Scout troop, you can see that,
you know, and it's just and maybe that's because he
doesn't like Taylor, but that's that's a whole, that's a
whole nother like can of worms, and you.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Got to think and the whole, you know, hierarchy of
the Danes family. Luke is a successful one. He's absolutely,
he's like the one that went off and you know,
created a huge business and he's super successful. So I
mean if if you know he's got the diner, he
works his butt off, he's a successful one.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Imagine what a sister's like, because just seeing Luke at
the Pinnacle and Jess getting off the bus, it's like, whoa.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
There's a few panicked phone calls by Luke's sister too, right,
and so that causes a lot of alarm, going ooh,
if this is what Jess has had to grow up with.
He's always in chaos, and so he's got to find
some kind of calm, which you know he turns to
reading and the big one.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Magic mm hmmmm hm.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Just great. I don't know why, but I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I loved this. I loved I love the Rory's line
if you ever doing a if you ever do another
magic trick again and pull something out of an area
that I don't want you to, I'll never speak to you.
I guess it's like stop with the stick. You know,
it's not that you're not impressing me.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, I think I think my favorite line in the
entire episode, though, is is Lorelai talking to Luke and saying,
you want to get him something inflatable, get him up,
get him up, blonde.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I was dying. Oh good.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
That's like he has some good equips in that one,
some just good one liners.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So you know, and Milo couldn't be more opposite to
this character is the amazing part about it. I mean,
he's just you know, he came on set and just
ingratiated himself right away with everybody, never acted like, you know,
he was the man or that you know, he he
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didn't try to. I mean, he understood that he was
coming into a situation that was established. He had respect,
so and we like that.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I never got to work with him, unfortunately, but I
feel like we've done this for a very long long time.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Uh huh yeah, well maybe one day, just circling. Maybe
one day, maybe one day.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Maybe I'll get to push him into a lake.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I'm yes, and I'm very proud of work we
did together. We did some iconic work together, the lake push,
you know, the relationship there. I really thought that relationship
elevated the show somewhat because now we see Luke in
a different type of situation. We'ren't expecting to see it
really is, I mean, and I think the fans really
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receive received it very very well.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Mm hmmm. I would agree.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Again, it's like the writing. He got to do that writing,
Like I always comment on how lucky I feel to
be able to do that writing and be in the
imagine this. So this is a starm the just rolls
of star making role right an anybody who's lucky enough
to get that role. It's so well written right away,
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right off the bat. It's like it's like James Dean
and Rebel Out cause it's it's all of those great
care it's it's it's Brando. It's it's right in the
uh in on the waterfront, or or there was a
movie he did, a motorcycle movie he did before called
the what was it? What was the Brando film he
did when the early Brando films. Yeah, I don't know,
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Motorcycle Leader. What was it called? Anyway, But it's that
kind of a role where it's just like it's it's incendiary.
It just it hits like a bomb and it's like boom,
this guy has arrived. This actor has arrived in this role.
That is so far afield from what the Wild One?
The wild One? Yes, right, and that's it. That's the perfect, perfect,
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perfect description. Yeah, and it just it just you know,
a bomb detonates and star stars hollow.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh right, but what's it going to do.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's gonna scramble everybody's eggs.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, I mean he's looking for a night out and
it stars hollow. There's there's that line that that Rory
says that even the twenty four hour can nvenience store
closed at nine, which is also such a such a
great line. But if you also look at Luke through
the relationship of Jess, you know, at first he's like
he can handle himself. I mean, he's not a he's
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not a baby, he's not a child. And then he
realizes immediately, oh he is a child. Oh he does
need structure. Oh I can do this. I can figure
it out. And it does force Luke to kind of go, Okay,
I'm a parent, now I gotta I gotta do this.
And it's really kind of awesome to not only see
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the structure happen, but to see it work immediately.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It just works, and it's so good to see that.
I think it's good. I think this.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Relationship in particular, and this move by Jess is great
for both characters.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Oh made me very sad, you know, made me very sad.
You know, this kid has so much potential.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Absolutely, he's smart.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's gonna take years. It's gonna take years for him
to get out of this. It's not just a quick fix.
It's not just Luke, you know, tough loving him into
a discipline, into a new dawn and a new realization
his eyes open in six months. Now, this is years.
This is yeah, totally, this is years of you know whatever, abuse,
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bad parenting, and it's gonna take it's going to take
that much time for him to come out of it.
And it just it just breaks my heart to see it.
And I think that's really the point.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I love the fact how he plays it like he's
not aware of it, where it's just a super confidence.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, And I think that does make him aware of it.
I actually think that that is the bravado he has
to have to survive. He's in pure survival mode at
that point and he knows nothing else. That's how he's
parenting himself is by being overconfident. So I actually do
think he is aware of it. I think that that's
the way he's learned to cope with himself.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He hates he hates the situation.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You know, it's a big, big changes everything for Laurel
I too, because the alarm bells are going off inside her.
It's like, boy, and how close is she gonna let
him near her daughter, who's like, you know, this perfect
China doll who's going off to Harvard or yet you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And the influence starts.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh man, oh man, that's that's when you're begin the work.
All right, Let's let's go to the family dinner. Okay.
That that Laurel I invites everybody over for dinner to
meet Jess.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
What a nice quart?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
What what? What an exceptionally nice thing? And he is
so very nice. He's so rude to Laurel I.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
He is, and he just wants to bail. Yeah, he
just wants to bail. He's like, I'm grabbing a beer
him out right.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So Rory just meets Jess and we immediately see they
have chemistry. Right, we learned he likes books. We see
the look on Rory's face and I think it's a.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Collective uh oh in the audience, right, does not appreciate
the help and tells Laurel ies she should she wouldn't
give the best advice because she was pregnant at sixteen.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That was harsh.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That was that comment was harsh. It was harsh when
I when I actually heard it, I was like, Oh,
we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Oh and no, wonder they're fighting.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Let's let's stick into this, Okay. Yes, tell me, Adam,
do you think Laurel is overstepping with Jess or is
she helping Luke?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Helping Luke?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Because if you, especially because of that interaction in the
very beginning in that cold open with the with the
Scout troupe, I really think that she is Like, this
guy's clueless and he needs all the help he can get.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, I've been a mother for obviously.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Sixteen years or whatever it is, and I can really
help this guy.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And he's a good dude.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
He's just he's a little clumsy in how he deals
with people. And I can help. You know, I've got
I've got a good demeanor. I know how to deal
with with kids. I know how to deal with actually
troubled and rebellous kids.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Why is he so defensive? Why would he say that
to her?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Why would Luke say that to her? Yeah, you're pregnant
at sixteen?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
What the hell do you know? I mean, what a blow?
What tell me? Why say that?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Hereious, here's why I think you'd say that. And obviously
you know this character inside and out. I have no
idea why you think you'd say that. But from an
audience point of view, Luke has proven, especially thus far
in the show, to not be good with his emotions.
And when, in my experience, when people aren't wonderful with
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their emotions, the first thing when they feel threatened.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Is to bite. So he tries to bite his way
out of the situation.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's a deep insecurity one.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Hundred percent, And I feel he tries to bite his
way out of the situation and it comes across hurting
somebody that he really cares about.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right, And that's tough, That's really tough.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
She he interprets like, she doesn't have confidence in me.
She doesn't think I'm smart enough or capable enough to
deal with the situation. So she feels she has to
intervene and overstep without talking to me first.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Right, one hundred percent? One hundred percent? Which is is
that the right way to handle it. No, I think
it should have been a very I think it should
have been a plan for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Do you think he's moving the goalpost to suit his insecurities? Right?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I got it? I got it. Why are you doing that?
You know? I appreciate you doing this. I didn't really
need it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
He'll be fine, He's okay, right, Okay, you're gonna tell
me what to do. Now, I'm gonna now I'm gonna
come at you. Oh I'm really sorry for coming at you.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It does seem like he values her opinion, right, and
he's quick to course that right.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, of course he cares about her a lot at
the end.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So this kind of back and forth, right, this kind
of back and forth, it's good for a relationship.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
What do you think? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I think with I think especially Lorelei and Luke's back
and forth, they have such a good chemistry. The quips
to be able to humble people, especially people you really
care about, I think are a good thing. If you
have somebody in your life that doesn't challenge you and
help you grow, then what are you doing with that person?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That's how I feel personally.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, you nailed it. I agree hundred percent. You think
Laurel I was right. I think Laurel has got really
good instincts. Yes, and it's really easy to see that
character Jess and go oh oh.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Totally totally. It's red Flag City, like, there's no there's
no tub about it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It's obvious.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Man, yeah, sure, crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
All right, let's get into Rory Jess. We immediately see
their chemistry with the books. The writers know what they're
doing bringing in Jess to break apart the Dean and
Rory relationship. Do we like what they are doing? Do
we want Dean to go? Do we want Jess to
step in? Now? How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I think that's an audience member to audience member question,
because this is a huge question.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
All right, let's get them all on the phone, guys,
let's get all the fans on the phone right now.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Let's ask one at a time. Here we go, Yes,
first caller, you're on.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
In my personal opinion, no, I'm not rooting for her
to explore a wild side with Jess.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
What are the chances of success with Jess in your opinion?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Man, right now? Chances negative four, negative five.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think it's pretty slim.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
To none that Rory is going to be some incredibly
good influence on Rory. I think it's so much more
likely that Jess is going to be the worst influence
Rory can have.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, but he's literate. He reads books.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Great, awesome, so many people who read books. If he
can read a book, then he can read a book
to understand. Hey, man, maybe I need therapy and.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Not bite everybody's head off because my situation sucks.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Read that well?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean, at seventeen, you know who's introspective? At seventeen,
you know nobody nobody, no, no.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Not even introspectives are introspective.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
They certainly are. They think they are, but they're not.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Everybody thinks they are. At seventeen, we had it made.
We were in control of life.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So how was that Ginsburg Owl?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Great? The masterpiece of the beat generation. M boy, I'll
tell you that's uh. That's the one book you don't
want your daughter reading if.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
She had it to r That's fair, It's very fair.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I remember when I was fifteen, my older sister gave
me a book and my mom was like, you really
don't want to read that to you? You don't want
to do that and it was. It was a Season
in Hell and a very good translation of it, Rambo's
The Season in Hell, and it blew my mind. Some
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things should not be read until you're of age, right, yeah, absolutely,
But the impact books can make on the young mind
is it's extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Books are the biggest influence that I think one can have,
and that's mainly because you can you say your own
reality inside your head.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Of what that means exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
The imagination is engaged. You build your future inside your head.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I don't know how kids are doing it today by
looking at the screen. TikTok, that's it, I think, right,
I mean, where's the imagination? Where? Where? Where are the
worlds that you're creating inside your head? I don't know that. Well,
we can get that's that's another podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think the only world you can create inside your
head with a digital age and a digital generation is
how do I want to come across in these videos?
And I think there's some very creative people that are
editing inside their head going on there we goicklick click
click click click, and that's how they think now because
there's no words to read, you know, how do I
do this?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
In under a minute. And there there, there there you.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Have right, right, But I, but I The thing that
is so romantic to me and so intriguing hooks is
that there's this intellectual connection between Rory and Jess. That
she doesn't have a Dean.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
That's true. That's where Dean is from a small town
and he is a small town minded.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So so you know, now we've got this art is involved. Now,
art is going to take over now and you know,
aesthetics are at play, so interesting, interesting dynamic. All right,
Rory in Paris Chilton, Wow, the conflict is real.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Paris is the editor of the school paper, The Franklin,
does everything in her power to punish Rory because she
is holding a grudge against her from her date with Tristan,
her quote unquote imaginary date with T. PJ. Harvey. She's
still harping on this and it never happened. Paris tells
Rory the wrong meeting time for the first meeting of
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The Franklin that year and gives her story accoun but Rory,
Rory knocks it out of the park right what she does,
and then Paris intentionally assigns Rory an uncomfortable piece about
Max Medina, and that's just we have to concede. Paris
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is an evil genius, right.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Listen, Paris is my is one of my favorite characters
in the entire show. And I've said this for a
very long time. I think that she is a gem
of a human when she allows herself to be.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So I do. I do agree with you. She's she's
absolutely an evil genius.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So we see that she's going to force her to
talk to mister Medina about her piece. That's it's very awkward,
you know, and I love how it was handled, and
I love that they both confess to each other. I
wish you I wanted to be your stepdad and I
wish you were going to be my stepdad.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
And that was very so cute that she goes off
the record to do that. Yes, pauses the recorder and
it's like, I just want you to know. Can we
just also stay that Like you can really see Laura
Lai in Rory all the time and kind of vice versa.
You can understand exactly why they are two peas in
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a pod. They both have the same tendencies and they
both have such great hearts, and you really see it there.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's such a good moment.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You're right, But but Rory has that softer candy shell.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah that's true now because she wasn't raised with Laurie's parents, right.
I mean that has a lot to do with how
you know, she was in survival mode as well her
entire childhood, and everyone thought, oh, this rich girl hasn't
made and she's like, yeah, sure, emotionally I don't right, right, But.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like Rory can't
stand up for herself. In fact, she displays a real
emotional maturity here. And some games she can play. She
can play Paris's games and beat her.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
We see that so good.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
That is so good when she takes the piece and
just gets those kudos and finds that she finds the good.
I think Rory ultimately is really great about finding the
good in the situation and really exposes the good instead
of being mad, instead of biting back, she punches back
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with good. It's very cool.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, she's a wolf in sheep's clothing sometimes, isn't she.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Totally She's unexpected. She's very unexpected. She will say that,
all right, see.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Your character, Brad, Yes, hi, Brad, you left chilting for
a bit because of Paris. Okay, do you think he
could have ever stood up to Paris like Rory does?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
No, absolutely not, kind of melt melted like a puddle.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Right, Yeah, I don't think No matter how confident Brad
ever got, I think it would have birded.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Those triggers, no matter.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
What he would have been like, I got this, I
can stand up to everybody in my life on Paris.
I think Paris would have always been the I'm too
scared to deal with life moment, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right, All right, now we move on to the iconic
push that we'll call it the the push. Luke picked
Jess up from school and confronts him about Taylor, accusing
Jess being a thief stealing that donation money for the bridge.
Jess once Luke to essentially stopped caring for him, he
tells him, as they walk and talk across the bridge
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until Luke shoves him in. Now this is one of
the you know it was a we did thirty God,
we did something like we did so many takes of
that walk and talk? Really yeah, we did like thirty Wow,
Wait a minute, wait a minute, but I thought it
was a different director because this was Michael Cattleman. So
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maybe it was a different scene with a walk and
talk with Jess that we did so many takes. I
think it was a different director.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I feel like this is all one shot of the
walk and talk.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, right, it is one shot. I think it took
a few takes. But that that push off the off
the bridge, that's one take. Because yeah, had had we
to do it again, it would have required Milo to go,
you know, into his trail, change his clothes into dry clothes,
and then redo his makeup and the thing, and it
would take would have taken an hour, hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right, totally, it would have been a long day.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
That would have been a long day. So they know
they told they told us, hey, you got one shot
at this.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
This is also it was. It was perfectly shot, and
you guys nailed it. I have to say, you guys
really nailed it. Because when you see that argument and
walking off, you guys walk off with the exact same cadence. Right,
It's hilarious. Luke getting so much mad that nothing is said,
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he just what pushes him. It's like it's one of
those moments where like, oh, like it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And then you're like, it's not gonna it's not gonna end.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Well, but the dialogue leading up to it was like
you would have expected Luke to walk in the opposite direction.
Those should walk walk in opposite directions, because he said,
leave me alone, get stop following me, stop doing this,
get out of you know, get out of my life basically.
So then yeah, instead they walk together in unison, in harmony.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Absolutely, And I think that's the moment where Luke figures
it out, where he goes, leave me alone, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
This kid clearly can't be alone.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
This is what got you here, right, And so no,
you know, you little I'm gonna walk next to you, right,
and we're gonna do this whether you like it or not.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And then he's just like, you know what, screw this kid.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know what. I missed this show. I really too.
What a great experience that was working with the yeah
and working in these situations. What a gift, What a gift.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
What I have to say watching back and rewatching all
of the episodes is that I wish I would have
appreciated it as much when it was happening as I
do watching it, because it's one of those shows that's
so classic that no matter how you're feeling, it's going
to help.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's one of those shows. It's a comfort show.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Every day I was there, it felt like, you know,
I was on stage in New York and we were
doing theater and it was challenging every day, and it
was you get to work with great actors every day
with these great words, and what a treat that was
that job, man.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's so amazing. What I also love is the subtleties.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
There's a lot of things where you can watch an
episode three or four times and catch something different because
there's a lot of hidden subtleties and every single episode.
This one didn't have any, but usually if you watch
the seasons as a whole. It's funny because Amy loves
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to reference music Man specifically throughout the entire show. She
has a lot of musical theater references, but music Man
is the one that comes up the most. And I
and I figured out why. It kind of just clicked
that stars Hollow is river City, Iowa.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So if you really look, there's so many music Man
references and it makes me crack up as a musical
theater nerd watching it because I'm like wow, because they're
in River City, Iowa. Like I get all of these clips.
There wasn't any in this particular episode, but it happens
so much, right, so much right right right.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Closing scene just runs into roy Intown, does a couple
of magic tricks. Right, we've talked about these stolear book, yes,
owl put some No, it's in the margins. Oh gosh,
he's really she he's really smart. And the coin trick,
the coin tricks.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, he shows how smart he is for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yes, right. What's her level of interest in him?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I think he's very intriguing because there's things to know.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What is her level of Oh it's her.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I thought you said mine that.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Was like.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You know, it started out at kind of like zero, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think it was a zero or one, and I
think now it's like an eight.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, it's probably sticks to eight.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Total. You think Jess already sees the potential and Rory
right away? What do you think? What do you how
do you think he sees her?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I mean I think he sees her as a cute
girl that he can just kind of corrupt right away.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I think he's like, ah, you'll do let's go. Yeah,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
No, we're we're doing this thing. And I think he's
testing her, you know what, I think, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think he thinks she's the one.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Really, you think that.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I think he knows that right away that she's the
one and he's never gonna be good enough for I
think he's in love observation right away. Yeah, but he
knows he can't touch her or can't have her, but
he's gonna try like hell, because he's she's gonna save him.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's how he sees her.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, you can save me.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
There's nothing worse in life than relying on somebody to
save you or thinking you can save somebody else. And
it happens all the time daily. It's heartbreaking to see
because I think, I think you're absolutely right, And I
think Jess just doesn't have confidence in himself in that moment,
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because he could he could be there is a world
where he could be with Rory and be incredibly happy,
but he knows that the changes that he would have
to make are so significant, doesn't He doesn't see even
a step to be able to.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Get to that floor. There's no way. Yeah, that's an.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Interesting take that that he thinks that she's the one
right away. That's that's a good observation.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, he can recognize that. He knows why, it's why
is there. He's thunderstruck right away. Boom. All right, Adam Wiley.
Fan questions here we go. Fans want to know, they
want to know, Adam. Let's talk about Into the Woods. Okay, okay, yeah, okay.
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So your character had to leave to star in Broadway. Okay,
that is a fact. Brad had to leave. No more, Brad.
But because we're going a Broadway now, yes, well, you
were actually in that same Broadway production with the role
of Jack. What was it like to have your time
on the show referenced?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Oh my god, gosh.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
When I got back from New York and moved home
after however long and got the script for Gilmore Girls,
cracked it open and saw that my Broadway career was referenced,
I died laughing. I thought that there was nothing more
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genius than this, and it was almost like Laura I
herself teasing me in a sense, and I loved every
second of it. I thought it was the biggest honor
that I could possibly have, especially that there was an
actual New York Times review in the script.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
There was nothing that was cooler in that moment in time.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And I don't know if I've experienced much that's cooler since,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So tell us about your own relationship with Broadway. You
did TV as a kid and Broadway. Yeah, what were
you more passionate about.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I was passionate about what would hire me. I'm gonna
be honest with you. I feel like I have severe ADHD.
So pulling myself into a million different directions is something
that I'm really really good at and become accustomed to,
to be honest, and if I'm not doing one thing,
I kind of miss doing it. So when I wasn't
filming TV, I was doing Broadway, I missed it, but
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it was happening at the same time. So when I
first started, I was doing Beauty in the Beast in
LA and I was filming picket Fences, So I was
doing pick offences during the day Beauty and the Beast
at night, and they were across the street from one another,
so I could see the theater from the studio and
vice versa, and it was just it was like, this
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is living. I get to do both. So I never
really had that choice of I had to choose. Even
when I was doing Into the Woods, I was on
another TV show, So I never have that choice, And
I think nowadays it's become so seamless to do both
that it's just a different world.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
If I had to choose, I don't know if I could.
I'm gonna be honest with you, but.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I think ultimately I would pick TV because Broadway is
the hardest work you can possibly do, in my opinion,
as an actor in your life, you have to be
It's a twenty four hour a day job. People think, oh,
you're just doing a two and a half hour show.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, no, you're not.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
You have to prep every single day to be so consistent.
Especially if you're singing. You have to be vocally in
tiptop shape all the time. You have to be aware
of what you're the food you're taking in. You have
to be aware of how much sleep you're getting. Do
you have as reflux so you need to sleep with
a humidifier, is your bed propped or you're getting enough sleep.
You have to check in to see if your voice
is still there. You know what notes are you hitting?
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Can you even speak that day? There's so much to
worry about. It is a constant battle. It's a constant,
constant maintenance. Whereas with TV it's not that. It's not
that at all. Right, right, You've got takes, it doesn't matter.
Just just keeping your voice in shape alone, is there? Yeah,
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I know, I did all.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Those exercise Yeah, it's singing is.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hard, it is.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And to do it, and to do it every day
form every day, that's that's man, that's hard.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
It's a lot. Eight shows a week is no joke.
It's it's a it's a war, especially when you're doing
it for a nine month contractor or more.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, a lot, it's a lot. What's your favorite Broadway show?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
My personal favorite Broadway show is Big River And I
got to play Huck Finn in North Carolina, and I
was I've done the show three times, but the time
that I got to play Huck was like obviously my favorite.
He never leaves the stage. You know, the singing in
it is is insane. For Huck, he just never stops talking.
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He does magic in it, which is great, and he's
just singing and dancing and narrating the story. So for me,
that was my dream role and I and I got
to play it. That was my ultimate dream role. So
that's my favorite show. That's my favorite show because of
the relationship between Huck and Jim. It's an incredible story.
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I love that Relationshob Did you have any on set crushes?
Did I have any? I think if you didn't have
a crush on Alexis, you weren't human if you were.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
My age to be as to a few, So yeah,
of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Okay the song cherish, yes, pick for you to sing
a graduation in the show.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yes, how was that?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
So? I listened to that style of music every single
day of my life, mostly because when I was in
my younger years, my mom was transporting me and she
was in control of the radio, which means that Krona
one and ninety nine point nine were constantly on the radio.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
So the oldies but goodies.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
That was a massive song in its day.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
It was huge.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Everybody in my generation learned a slow dance to that song.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh so good.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
And so when I first heard I was like, oh,
the cherish is the word I used to describe bong bong. Okay,
I got I got it, I got it, I got it.
So we go and we we do the rehearsal and
I sing the bong bong and everyone's like, what are
you doing there?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
That's how the song goes. And I was completely oblivious
that the supposed to see these bong bongs.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I was just following the music, like in my head, going, no,
that's that is that is how this goes.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
That is that is it?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
And it does this bong bong and then you you
go uh and it was funny and they were like
heye bit and I was like, oh okay, Like I
didn't get it at the time. I didn't get why
it was funny. I just did it right right, But
I love that song. The song is incredible.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Do you get recognized for being on Gilmore Girls? Every
single day of my life? Isn't an amazing it's Mezls.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I will be anywhere, especially when I'm performing at the
Magic Castle. People are you that guy from Gilmore Girls
the graduation right, Brad? You're the Paris Brad. And it's
amazing how many people also know the trivia and are like,
I know you actually went to Broadway and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Whoa, this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
It's it's shocking every time that the show it really
is just as popular now as it was.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Oh more so, you think so, more.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So, more so, more people are a Netflix. The numbers
are creaty, the streaming numbers are nuts. Yeah, I mean,
I mean it's like been off the air for you know,
eighteen years, and it's still number six and number seven
on Nielsen Raiding. Yes, streaming numbers, yes, what a.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
What a blessing for us as actors to have that
show man.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I still walk into like random spots where you can
buy T shirts and I'll see a Luke's T shirt
or a mug and I'm just like, it's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
They're ubiquitous. They're everywhere. That logo is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
The Luke's logo is everywhere.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh my goodness, Adam. A joy to reconnect.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Absolutely, thank you for having me. I would love to
you have me anytime.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
We have so many more questions to ask you. We
didn't get to all of them. Apologize to fans for that,
but we're running out of time here. Please come back.
All the best to you. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Absolutely, thank you for having me. I praraazy gentlemen, mister.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Adam Wiley, and thank you all for all your cards
and letters and your downloads. Best fans on the planet,
and remember where you lead, we will follow and Adam
is going to be there too. Stay safe, everyone.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Dot everybody off again.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
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Sid and Nancy. Season two, Episode five, special guest Adam
Wiley Air Day, October thirty, two thousand and one. Adam welcome,
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How are you hey?
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I'm well. How are you look? I did this for
you and you're.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
A fantastic Yeah, I see it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
You look like you got a Walmart hat on. There
you go nice, There we go.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Now we're good. Now we're hem.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Adam's known for his role in Picket Fences, The Swan Princess,
the Broadway play Into the Woods, in which was actually
incorporated into the script. We will tell you about that later.
We see Adam first in season two, episode nine, Runaway
little Boy, as Brad Langford, a student at Chilton who
is absolutely terrified of Paris. So we know that his
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character is mentally healthy. You were going to We're going
to talk about all about you, but first let's recap
this episode. Luke takes in his wild seventeen year old
nephew Jess, ignoring laws well intentioned advice, and Rory is
drawn to the new guy in Town, directed by the
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Great Michael Cattleman and written by the Great Amy Sherman Palladino.
Jess is in town. Adam Luke gets called from his
sister Liz and her son Jess is going to stay
with Luke, so Luke puts Jess on the floor in
a blow up raft next to his bed. Luke has
a hard time managing Jeff Jess, to say the least,
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and his antics around town are many. Most likely with
push from Laurel I, Luke eventually takes charge of Jess
and and set some boundaries for all of his wrongdoings.
What's your first impression of Jess?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I mean, my first impression of Jess is that he's
a troubled kid. I think as soon as he comes
off that bus, you feel the energy that he's been
tossed around, that he doesn't want to be there, and
that he's just you know, this is this is just
his life now, this is another day, and he's angry.
He's angry at the world and feels like he's been
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his own parent for so long that that's the just
the way it is, there is no structure. He is
the structure. He hates it, right and he hates everyone
because of it.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Right, Well, right out of the gate, you see that,
you know Luke and Jess. Is there chemistry right away?
What do you think ken feeling getting? What do we
get in between Luke and Jess?
Speaker 2 (02:58):
You like it?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Here's the thing I think with Luke and Jess, you
can tell they're related, right. The energies are so similar
with the two characters, you definitely know that they are family.
I think I think Luke is excited for the opportunity.
I don't think Luke knows how to handle it, and
I think that's pretty obvious. I think it's obvious from
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the cold open that Luke doesn't know how to handle children.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And that just I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
That may with with the just the whole interaction with
with the with the Scout troop, you can see that,
you know, and it's just and maybe that's because he
doesn't like Taylor, but that's that's a whole, that's a
whole nother like can of worms, and you.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Got to think and the whole, you know, hierarchy of
the Danes family. Luke is a successful one. He's absolutely,
he's like the one that went off and you know,
created a huge business and he's super successful. So I
mean if if you know he's got the diner, he
works his butt off, he's a successful one.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Imagine what a sister's like, because just seeing Luke at
the Pinnacle and Jess getting off the bus, it's like, whoa.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
There's a few panicked phone calls by Luke's sister too, right,
and so that causes a lot of alarm, going ooh,
if this is what Jess has had to grow up with.
He's always in chaos, and so he's got to find
some kind of calm, which you know he turns to
reading and the big one.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Magic mm hmmmm hm.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Just great. I don't know why, but I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I loved this. I loved I love the Rory's line
if you ever doing a if you ever do another
magic trick again and pull something out of an area
that I don't want you to, I'll never speak to you.
I guess it's like stop with the stick. You know,
it's not that you're not impressing me.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, I think I think my favorite line in the
entire episode, though, is is Lorelai talking to Luke and saying,
you want to get him something inflatable, get him up,
get him up, blonde.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
I was dying. Oh good.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
That's like he has some good equips in that one,
some just good one liners.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So you know, and Milo couldn't be more opposite to
this character is the amazing part about it. I mean,
he's just you know, he came on set and just
ingratiated himself right away with everybody, never acted like, you know,
he was the man or that you know, he he
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didn't try to. I mean, he understood that he was
coming into a situation that was established. He had respect,
so and we like that.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I never got to work with him, unfortunately, but I
feel like we've done this for a very long long time.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Uh huh yeah, well maybe one day, just circling. Maybe
one day, maybe one day.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Maybe I'll get to push him into a lake.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And I'm yes, and I'm very proud of work we
did together. We did some iconic work together, the lake push,
you know, the relationship there. I really thought that relationship
elevated the show somewhat because now we see Luke in
a different type of situation. We'ren't expecting to see it
really is, I mean, and I think the fans really
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receive received it very very well.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Mm hmmm. I would agree.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Again, it's like the writing. He got to do that writing,
Like I always comment on how lucky I feel to
be able to do that writing and be in the
imagine this. So this is a starm the just rolls
of star making role right an anybody who's lucky enough
to get that role. It's so well written right away,
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right off the bat. It's like it's like James Dean
and Rebel Out cause it's it's all of those great
care it's it's it's Brando. It's it's right in the
uh in on the waterfront, or or there was a
movie he did, a motorcycle movie he did before called
the what was it? What was the Brando film he
did when the early Brando films. Yeah, I don't know,
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Motorcycle Leader. What was it called? Anyway, But it's that
kind of a role where it's just like it's it's incendiary.
It just it hits like a bomb and it's like boom,
this guy has arrived. This actor has arrived in this role.
That is so far afield from what the Wild One?
The wild One? Yes, right, and that's it. That's the perfect, perfect,
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perfect description. Yeah, and it just it just you know,
a bomb detonates and star stars hollow.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh right, but what's it going to do.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's gonna scramble everybody's eggs.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, I mean he's looking for a night out and
it stars hollow. There's there's that line that that Rory
says that even the twenty four hour can nvenience store
closed at nine, which is also such a such a
great line. But if you also look at Luke through
the relationship of Jess, you know, at first he's like
he can handle himself. I mean, he's not a he's
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not a baby, he's not a child. And then he
realizes immediately, oh he is a child. Oh he does
need structure. Oh I can do this. I can figure
it out. And it does force Luke to kind of go, Okay,
I'm a parent, now I gotta I gotta do this.
And it's really kind of awesome to not only see
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the structure happen, but to see it work immediately.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It just works, and it's so good to see that.
I think it's good. I think this.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Relationship in particular, and this move by Jess is great
for both characters.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Oh made me very sad, you know, made me very sad.
You know, this kid has so much potential.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Absolutely, he's smart.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It's gonna take years. It's gonna take years for him
to get out of this. It's not just a quick fix.
It's not just Luke, you know, tough loving him into
a discipline, into a new dawn and a new realization
his eyes open in six months. Now, this is years.
This is yeah, totally, this is years of you know whatever, abuse,
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bad parenting, and it's gonna take it's going to take
that much time for him to come out of it.
And it just it just breaks my heart to see it.
And I think that's really the point.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I love the fact how he plays it like he's
not aware of it, where it's just a super confidence.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, And I think that does make him aware of it.
I actually think that that is the bravado he has
to have to survive. He's in pure survival mode at
that point and he knows nothing else. That's how he's
parenting himself is by being overconfident. So I actually do
think he is aware of it. I think that that's
the way he's learned to cope with himself.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
He hates he hates the situation.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
You know, it's a big, big changes everything for Laurel
I too, because the alarm bells are going off inside her.
It's like, boy, and how close is she gonna let
him near her daughter, who's like, you know, this perfect
China doll who's going off to Harvard or yet you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
And the influence starts.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Oh man, oh man, that's that's when you're begin the work.
All right, Let's let's go to the family dinner. Okay.
That that Laurel I invites everybody over for dinner to
meet Jess.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
What a nice quart?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
What what? What an exceptionally nice thing? And he is
so very nice. He's so rude to Laurel I.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
He is, and he just wants to bail. Yeah, he
just wants to bail. He's like, I'm grabbing a beer
him out right.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So Rory just meets Jess and we immediately see they
have chemistry. Right, we learned he likes books. We see
the look on Rory's face and I think it's a.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Collective uh oh in the audience, right, does not appreciate
the help and tells Laurel ies she should she wouldn't
give the best advice because she was pregnant at sixteen.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
That was harsh.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
That was that comment was harsh. It was harsh when
I when I actually heard it, I was like, Oh,
we're going to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Oh and no, wonder they're fighting.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Let's let's stick into this, Okay. Yes, tell me, Adam,
do you think Laurel is overstepping with Jess or is
she helping Luke?
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Helping Luke?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Because if you, especially because of that interaction in the
very beginning in that cold open with the with the
Scout troupe, I really think that she is Like, this
guy's clueless and he needs all the help he can get.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
You know, I've been a mother for obviously.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Sixteen years or whatever it is, and I can really
help this guy.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
And he's a good dude.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
He's just he's a little clumsy in how he deals
with people. And I can help. You know, I've got
I've got a good demeanor. I know how to deal
with with kids. I know how to deal with actually
troubled and rebellous kids.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Why is he so defensive? Why would he say that
to her?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Why would Luke say that to her? Yeah, you're pregnant
at sixteen?
Speaker 1 (12:28):
What the hell do you know? I mean, what a blow?
What tell me? Why say that?
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Hereious, here's why I think you'd say that. And obviously
you know this character inside and out. I have no
idea why you think you'd say that. But from an
audience point of view, Luke has proven, especially thus far
in the show, to not be good with his emotions.
And when, in my experience, when people aren't wonderful with
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their emotions, the first thing when they feel threatened.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Is to bite. So he tries to bite his way
out of the situation.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
It's a deep insecurity one.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Hundred percent, And I feel he tries to bite his
way out of the situation and it comes across hurting
somebody that he really cares about.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Right, And that's tough, That's really tough.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
She he interprets like, she doesn't have confidence in me.
She doesn't think I'm smart enough or capable enough to
deal with the situation. So she feels she has to
intervene and overstep without talking to me first.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Right, one hundred percent? One hundred percent? Which is is
that the right way to handle it. No, I think
it should have been a very I think it should
have been a plan for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Do you think he's moving the goalpost to suit his insecurities? Right?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I got it? I got it. Why are you doing that?
You know? I appreciate you doing this. I didn't really
need it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
He'll be fine, He's okay, right, Okay, you're gonna tell
me what to do. Now, I'm gonna now I'm gonna
come at you. Oh I'm really sorry for coming at you.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It does seem like he values her opinion, right, and
he's quick to course that right.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, of course he cares about her a lot at
the end.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So this kind of back and forth, right, this kind
of back and forth, it's good for a relationship.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
What do you think? What do you think?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I think with I think especially Lorelei and Luke's back
and forth, they have such a good chemistry. The quips
to be able to humble people, especially people you really
care about, I think are a good thing. If you
have somebody in your life that doesn't challenge you and
help you grow, then what are you doing with that person?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That's how I feel personally.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, you nailed it. I agree hundred percent. You think
Laurel I was right. I think Laurel has got really
good instincts. Yes, and it's really easy to see that
character Jess and go oh oh.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Totally totally. It's red Flag City, like, there's no there's
no tub about it.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
It's obvious.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Man, yeah, sure, crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
All right, let's get into Rory Jess. We immediately see
their chemistry with the books. The writers know what they're
doing bringing in Jess to break apart the Dean and
Rory relationship. Do we like what they are doing? Do
we want Dean to go? Do we want Jess to
step in? Now? How do you feel?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I think that's an audience member to audience member question,
because this is a huge question.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
All right, let's get them all on the phone, guys,
let's get all the fans on the phone right now.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Let's ask one at a time. Here we go, Yes,
first caller, you're on.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
In my personal opinion, no, I'm not rooting for her
to explore a wild side with Jess.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
What are the chances of success with Jess in your opinion?
Speaker 5 (16:00):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Man, right now? Chances negative four, negative five.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think it's pretty slim.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
To none that Rory is going to be some incredibly
good influence on Rory. I think it's so much more
likely that Jess is going to be the worst influence
Rory can have.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, but he's literate. He reads books.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Great, awesome, so many people who read books. If he
can read a book, then he can read a book
to understand. Hey, man, maybe I need therapy and.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Not bite everybody's head off because my situation sucks.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Read that well?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean, at seventeen, you know who's introspective? At seventeen,
you know nobody nobody, no, no.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Not even introspectives are introspective.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
They certainly are. They think they are, but they're not.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Everybody thinks they are. At seventeen, we had it made.
We were in control of life.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
So how was that Ginsburg Owl?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Great? The masterpiece of the beat generation. M boy, I'll
tell you that's uh. That's the one book you don't
want your daughter reading if.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
She had it to r That's fair, It's very fair.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I remember when I was fifteen, my older sister gave
me a book and my mom was like, you really
don't want to read that to you? You don't want
to do that and it was. It was a Season
in Hell and a very good translation of it, Rambo's
The Season in Hell, and it blew my mind. Some
(17:39):
things should not be read until you're of age, right, yeah, absolutely,
But the impact books can make on the young mind
is it's extraordinary.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Books are the biggest influence that I think one can have,
and that's mainly because you can you say your own
reality inside your head.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Of what that means exactly.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
The imagination is engaged. You build your future inside your head.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I don't know how kids are doing it today by
looking at the screen. TikTok, that's it, I think, right,
I mean, where's the imagination? Where? Where? Where are the
worlds that you're creating inside your head? I don't know that. Well,
we can get that's that's another podcast.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Totally.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think the only world you can create inside your
head with a digital age and a digital generation is
how do I want to come across in these videos?
And I think there's some very creative people that are
editing inside their head going on there we goicklick click
click click click, and that's how they think now because
there's no words to read, you know, how do I
do this?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
In under a minute. And there there, there there you.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Have right, right, But I, but I The thing that
is so romantic to me and so intriguing hooks is
that there's this intellectual connection between Rory and Jess. That
she doesn't have a Dean.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
That's true. That's where Dean is from a small town
and he is a small town minded.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So so you know, now we've got this art is involved. Now,
art is going to take over now and you know,
aesthetics are at play, so interesting, interesting dynamic. All right,
Rory in Paris Chilton, Wow, the conflict is real.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Paris is the editor of the school paper, The Franklin,
does everything in her power to punish Rory because she
is holding a grudge against her from her date with Tristan,
her quote unquote imaginary date with T. PJ. Harvey. She's
still harping on this and it never happened. Paris tells
Rory the wrong meeting time for the first meeting of
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The Franklin that year and gives her story accoun but Rory,
Rory knocks it out of the park right what she does,
and then Paris intentionally assigns Rory an uncomfortable piece about
Max Medina, and that's just we have to concede. Paris
(20:15):
is an evil genius, right.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Listen, Paris is my is one of my favorite characters
in the entire show. And I've said this for a
very long time. I think that she is a gem
of a human when she allows herself to be.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
So I do. I do agree with you. She's she's
absolutely an evil genius.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
So we see that she's going to force her to
talk to mister Medina about her piece. That's it's very awkward,
you know, and I love how it was handled, and
I love that they both confess to each other. I
wish you I wanted to be your stepdad and I
wish you were going to be my stepdad.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
And that was very so cute that she goes off
the record to do that. Yes, pauses the recorder and
it's like, I just want you to know. Can we
just also stay that Like you can really see Laura
Lai in Rory all the time and kind of vice versa.
You can understand exactly why they are two peas in
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a pod. They both have the same tendencies and they
both have such great hearts, and you really see it there.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's such a good moment.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You're right, But but Rory has that softer candy shell.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah that's true now because she wasn't raised with Laurie's parents, right.
I mean that has a lot to do with how
you know, she was in survival mode as well her
entire childhood, and everyone thought, oh, this rich girl hasn't
made and she's like, yeah, sure, emotionally I don't right, right, But.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like Rory can't
stand up for herself. In fact, she displays a real
emotional maturity here. And some games she can play. She
can play Paris's games and beat her.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
We see that so good.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
That is so good when she takes the piece and
just gets those kudos and finds that she finds the good.
I think Rory ultimately is really great about finding the
good in the situation and really exposes the good instead
of being mad, instead of biting back, she punches back
(22:28):
with good. It's very cool.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, she's a wolf in sheep's clothing sometimes, isn't she.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Totally She's unexpected. She's very unexpected. She will say that,
all right, see.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Your character, Brad, Yes, hi, Brad, you left chilting for
a bit because of Paris. Okay, do you think he
could have ever stood up to Paris like Rory does?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
No, absolutely not, kind of melt melted like a puddle.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Right, Yeah, I don't think No matter how confident Brad
ever got, I think it would have birded.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Those triggers, no matter.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
What he would have been like, I got this, I
can stand up to everybody in my life on Paris.
I think Paris would have always been the I'm too
scared to deal with life moment, no matter what.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Right, All right, now we move on to the iconic
push that we'll call it the the push. Luke picked
Jess up from school and confronts him about Taylor, accusing
Jess being a thief stealing that donation money for the bridge.
Jess once Luke to essentially stopped caring for him, he
tells him, as they walk and talk across the bridge
(23:38):
until Luke shoves him in. Now this is one of
the you know it was a we did thirty God,
we did something like we did so many takes of
that walk and talk? Really yeah, we did like thirty Wow,
Wait a minute, wait a minute, but I thought it
was a different director because this was Michael Cattleman. So
(24:00):
maybe it was a different scene with a walk and
talk with Jess that we did so many takes. I
think it was a different director.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
I feel like this is all one shot of the
walk and talk.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, right, it is one shot. I think it took
a few takes. But that that push off the off
the bridge, that's one take. Because yeah, had had we
to do it again, it would have required Milo to go,
you know, into his trail, change his clothes into dry clothes,
and then redo his makeup and the thing, and it
would take would have taken an hour, hour and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right, totally, it would have been a long day.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
That would have been a long day. So they know
they told they told us, hey, you got one shot
at this.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
This is also it was. It was perfectly shot, and
you guys nailed it. I have to say, you guys
really nailed it. Because when you see that argument and
walking off, you guys walk off with the exact same cadence. Right,
It's hilarious. Luke getting so much mad that nothing is said,
(25:02):
he just what pushes him. It's like it's one of
those moments where like, oh, like it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And then you're like, it's not gonna it's not gonna end.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Well, but the dialogue leading up to it was like
you would have expected Luke to walk in the opposite direction.
Those should walk walk in opposite directions, because he said,
leave me alone, get stop following me, stop doing this,
get out of you know, get out of my life basically.
So then yeah, instead they walk together in unison, in harmony.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Absolutely, And I think that's the moment where Luke figures
it out, where he goes, leave me alone, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
This kid clearly can't be alone.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
This is what got you here, right, And so no,
you know, you little I'm gonna walk next to you, right,
and we're gonna do this whether you like it or not.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
And then he's just like, you know what, screw this kid.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know what. I missed this show. I really too.
What a great experience that was working with the yeah
and working in these situations. What a gift, What a gift.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
What I have to say watching back and rewatching all
of the episodes is that I wish I would have
appreciated it as much when it was happening as I
do watching it, because it's one of those shows that's
so classic that no matter how you're feeling, it's going
to help.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's one of those shows. It's a comfort show.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Every day I was there, it felt like, you know,
I was on stage in New York and we were
doing theater and it was challenging every day, and it
was you get to work with great actors every day
with these great words, and what a treat that was
that job, man.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
It's so amazing. What I also love is the subtleties.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
There's a lot of things where you can watch an
episode three or four times and catch something different because
there's a lot of hidden subtleties and every single episode.
This one didn't have any, but usually if you watch
the seasons as a whole. It's funny because Amy loves
(27:12):
to reference music Man specifically throughout the entire show. She
has a lot of musical theater references, but music Man
is the one that comes up the most. And I
and I figured out why. It kind of just clicked
that stars Hollow is river City, Iowa.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So if you really look, there's so many music Man
references and it makes me crack up as a musical
theater nerd watching it because I'm like wow, because they're
in River City, Iowa. Like I get all of these clips.
There wasn't any in this particular episode, but it happens
so much, right, so much right right right.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Closing scene just runs into roy Intown, does a couple
of magic tricks. Right, we've talked about these stolear book, yes,
owl put some No, it's in the margins. Oh gosh,
he's really she he's really smart. And the coin trick,
the coin tricks.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, he shows how smart he is for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yes, right. What's her level of interest in him?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I think he's very intriguing because there's things to know.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
What is her level of Oh it's her.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I thought you said mine that.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Was like.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You know, it started out at kind of like zero, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I think it was a zero or one, and I
think now it's like an eight.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Yeah, it's probably sticks to eight.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Total. You think Jess already sees the potential and Rory
right away? What do you think? What do you how
do you think he sees her?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I mean I think he sees her as a cute
girl that he can just kind of corrupt right away.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I think he's like, ah, you'll do let's go. Yeah,
let's go.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
No, we're we're doing this thing. And I think he's
testing her, you know what, I think, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think he thinks she's the one.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Really, you think that.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I think he knows that right away that she's the
one and he's never gonna be good enough for I
think he's in love observation right away. Yeah, but he
knows he can't touch her or can't have her, but
he's gonna try like hell, because he's she's gonna save him.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's how he sees her.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, you can save me.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
There's nothing worse in life than relying on somebody to
save you or thinking you can save somebody else. And
it happens all the time daily. It's heartbreaking to see
because I think, I think you're absolutely right, And I
think Jess just doesn't have confidence in himself in that moment,
(29:50):
because he could he could be there is a world
where he could be with Rory and be incredibly happy,
but he knows that the changes that he would have
to make are so significant, doesn't He doesn't see even
a step to be able to.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Get to that floor. There's no way. Yeah, that's an.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Interesting take that that he thinks that she's the one
right away. That's that's a good observation.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, he can recognize that. He knows why, it's why
is there. He's thunderstruck right away. Boom. All right, Adam Wiley.
Fan questions here we go. Fans want to know, they
want to know, Adam. Let's talk about Into the Woods. Okay, okay, yeah, okay.
(30:40):
So your character had to leave to star in Broadway. Okay,
that is a fact. Brad had to leave. No more, Brad.
But because we're going a Broadway now, yes, well, you
were actually in that same Broadway production with the role
of Jack. What was it like to have your time
on the show referenced?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Oh my god, gosh.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
When I got back from New York and moved home
after however long and got the script for Gilmore Girls,
cracked it open and saw that my Broadway career was referenced,
I died laughing. I thought that there was nothing more
(31:20):
genius than this, and it was almost like Laura I
herself teasing me in a sense, and I loved every
second of it. I thought it was the biggest honor
that I could possibly have, especially that there was an
actual New York Times review in the script.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
There was nothing that was cooler in that moment in time.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And I don't know if I've experienced much that's cooler since,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
So tell us about your own relationship with Broadway. You
did TV as a kid and Broadway. Yeah, what were
you more passionate about.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I was passionate about what would hire me. I'm gonna
be honest with you. I feel like I have severe ADHD.
So pulling myself into a million different directions is something
that I'm really really good at and become accustomed to,
to be honest, and if I'm not doing one thing,
I kind of miss doing it. So when I wasn't
filming TV, I was doing Broadway, I missed it, but
(32:26):
it was happening at the same time. So when I
first started, I was doing Beauty in the Beast in
LA and I was filming picket Fences, So I was
doing pick offences during the day Beauty and the Beast
at night, and they were across the street from one another,
so I could see the theater from the studio and
vice versa, and it was just it was like, this
(32:49):
is living. I get to do both. So I never
really had that choice of I had to choose. Even
when I was doing Into the Woods, I was on
another TV show, So I never have that choice, And
I think nowadays it's become so seamless to do both
that it's just a different world.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
If I had to choose, I don't know if I could.
I'm gonna be honest with you, but.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
I think ultimately I would pick TV because Broadway is
the hardest work you can possibly do, in my opinion,
as an actor in your life, you have to be
It's a twenty four hour a day job. People think, oh,
you're just doing a two and a half hour show.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
No, no, you're not.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
You have to prep every single day to be so consistent.
Especially if you're singing. You have to be vocally in
tiptop shape all the time. You have to be aware
of what you're the food you're taking in. You have
to be aware of how much sleep you're getting. Do
you have as reflux so you need to sleep with
a humidifier, is your bed propped or you're getting enough sleep.
You have to check in to see if your voice
is still there. You know what notes are you hitting?
(33:48):
Can you even speak that day? There's so much to
worry about. It is a constant battle. It's a constant,
constant maintenance. Whereas with TV it's not that. It's not
that at all. Right, right, You've got takes, it doesn't matter.
Just just keeping your voice in shape alone, is there? Yeah,
(34:11):
I know, I did all.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Those exercise Yeah, it's singing is.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Hard, it is.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
And to do it, and to do it every day
form every day, that's that's man, that's hard.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
It's a lot. Eight shows a week is no joke.
It's it's a it's a war, especially when you're doing
it for a nine month contractor or more.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah, a lot, it's a lot. What's your favorite Broadway show?
Speaker 3 (34:32):
My personal favorite Broadway show is Big River And I
got to play Huck Finn in North Carolina, and I
was I've done the show three times, but the time
that I got to play Huck was like obviously my favorite.
He never leaves the stage. You know, the singing in
it is is insane. For Huck, he just never stops talking.
(34:54):
He does magic in it, which is great, and he's
just singing and dancing and narrating the story. So for me,
that was my dream role and I and I got
to play it. That was my ultimate dream role. So
that's my favorite show. That's my favorite show because of
the relationship between Huck and Jim. It's an incredible story.
(35:16):
I love that Relationshob Did you have any on set crushes?
Did I have any? I think if you didn't have
a crush on Alexis, you weren't human if you were.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
My age to be as to a few, So yeah,
of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Okay the song cherish, yes, pick for you to sing
a graduation in the show.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yes, how was that?
Speaker 3 (35:44):
So? I listened to that style of music every single
day of my life, mostly because when I was in
my younger years, my mom was transporting me and she
was in control of the radio, which means that Krona
one and ninety nine point nine were constantly on the radio.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
So the oldies but goodies.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
That was a massive song in its day.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
It was huge.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Everybody in my generation learned a slow dance to that song.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh so good.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
And so when I first heard I was like, oh,
the cherish is the word I used to describe bong bong. Okay,
I got I got it, I got it, I got it.
So we go and we we do the rehearsal and
I sing the bong bong and everyone's like, what are
you doing there?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
That's how the song goes. And I was completely oblivious
that the supposed to see these bong bongs.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I was just following the music, like in my head, going, no,
that's that is that is how this goes.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
That is that is it?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
And it does this bong bong and then you you
go uh and it was funny and they were like
heye bit and I was like, oh okay, Like I
didn't get it at the time. I didn't get why
it was funny. I just did it right right, But
I love that song. The song is incredible.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Do you get recognized for being on Gilmore Girls? Every
single day of my life? Isn't an amazing it's Mezls.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I will be anywhere, especially when I'm performing at the
Magic Castle. People are you that guy from Gilmore Girls
the graduation right, Brad? You're the Paris Brad. And it's
amazing how many people also know the trivia and are like,
I know you actually went to Broadway and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Whoa, this is crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
It's it's shocking every time that the show it really
is just as popular now as it was.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Oh more so, you think so, more.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So, more so, more people are a Netflix. The numbers
are creaty, the streaming numbers are nuts. Yeah, I mean,
I mean it's like been off the air for you know,
eighteen years, and it's still number six and number seven
on Nielsen Raiding. Yes, streaming numbers, yes, what a.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
What a blessing for us as actors to have that
show man.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I still walk into like random spots where you can
buy T shirts and I'll see a Luke's T shirt
or a mug and I'm just like, it's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
They're ubiquitous. They're everywhere. That logo is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
The Luke's logo is everywhere.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Oh my goodness, Adam. A joy to reconnect.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Absolutely, thank you for having me. I would love to
you have me anytime.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
We have so many more questions to ask you. We
didn't get to all of them. Apologize to fans for that,
but we're running out of time here. Please come back.
All the best to you. Thank you for your time.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Absolutely, thank you for having me. I praraazy gentlemen, mister.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Adam Wiley, and thank you all for all your cards
and letters and your downloads. Best fans on the planet,
and remember where you lead, we will follow and Adam
is going to be there too. Stay safe, everyone.
Speaker 5 (39:05):
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