April 14, 2025 • 40 mins
He’s Lane’s first love interest — Eddie Shin, aka Henry, is here to recap the season 1 finale!
Rory can’t hold back her feelings for Dean anymore and says one of her most iconic lines in the series.
Plus, Eddie thinks Max is acting desperate in this episode, hear his reasons why!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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I heart Podcast one on one episode with Eddie Shan
we are breaking down Season one, episode twenty one, Love
Daisy's and Troubadours.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Eddie, Welcome, how are you? I'm great man, good to
be here, Suzanne.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hello, Hello, Hello, our newly anointed superstar with all the
charisma for Riz as the kid said the todays, Eddie Shin,
as you know, is Henri Cho on Gilmore Girls. He
was first appearance season one, episode seventeen, The Breakup, Part two,
where he meets Lane at a party and sparks do
(01:08):
fly unexpectedly because he is the perfect person that Lane's
mom would approve of and therefore he is unsuitable to Lane.
Thanks for joining us, Bud. This is the season one
and finale. Have you watched Gilmore Girls before?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
This is your first episode? Ddie? No, I remember last
you when I when I got cast. So Gilmore Girls
was my first TV job ever, right Like I was
actually in Vegas when I got the call to you know,
from my agent twit and hadn't even met yet, being like, hey,
there's a show Gilmore girls, you have an audition. You've
got to be in La by Monday. It was like
a Saturday night or something like that. So I remember
(01:43):
after I got cast, I had watched that episode, and
then of course I rewatched the episode that you just mentioned. Episode. Yeah, well,
here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Air date May tenth, two thousand and one, twenty almost
twenty four years ago. Here's their synopsis. Lower a line, Max,
we kindled the romance, and boy do that they ever?
As Luke and Rachel fade, Rory clashes with Tristan, which
is pretty easy to do. Who misleads Paris and Friends,
(02:17):
and finally speaks to Dean post breakup. Directed by the
one and only Amy Sherman Palladino, written by the one
and only Daniel palladin all right, let's get into this, guys,
Rory and Dean's breakup and reunion.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Rory and Dean have been through a rough patch.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Since, they say, since she didn't say I love you
back when when Dean you know, said his I love
you and it was hanging out there like a big
moss of ball. Rory's curiosity leads her to look for
Dean around Star Sola.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
What you guys think of this? I liked it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, it was. It was cute. The whole thing with
the younger sister. I thought was a little weird that
they had dated for three months but Clara didn't recognize
Rory and Rory did no Claire's name. I thought that
was a little odd, But in general I thought it
was cute how she was starting to realize she still
had feelings for Dean and was running around town looking
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for him.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And they needed a little sister to like draw up
the drama of like, wait, what do you mean my
picture is still in his room or whatever? You know,
sort of draws you in to be like, wait o,
there's a little feelings or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and yeah she was. She got a little overbearing.
Laurie got a little overbearing there, didn't she trying to
force the issue go in the room and get the pictures.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, a little stocker is Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It was a little much, but I'm out a little
out of character for her, But I guess she feels
like she screws up and then she speaks. Roy does
at the town meeting in favor of the town Jupiter,
but her speech takes on a deeper meaning with hidden
messages regarding the way she feels about Deane.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I thought that was a very clever device.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And I enjoy those scenes because you get to see
Dean react, you know, and it keeps us in the story.
So later Dean surprises Rory at Chilton, only to see
Rory in Tristan together. Good god, what a scene. What
a satisfying scene. I mean, if you're ever gonna you know,
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wallop the creepy Tristan, right, that's the way to do it. Yeah,
I mean, there's there's this is just no coming back.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Ro What did you guys think of that? Well? It
was especially good in light of the other sort of
love stories that had sort of come to a head,
come to ahead by this episode, which was you know,
obviously you're you're you know, I should say, Luke's story
with Rachel, and then you know Laura Lai, you know,
with with her whole sort of like you know, the proposal,
So everything sort of crescendoed and you're just kind of like,
well this is crazy, you know. So it was very satisfying.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, you know, to sort of recap all this. Rory
finally says I love you back, but she doesn't say
I love you. She says, I love you you idiot,
don't you idiot? I loved Is that what she said? Yes,
it was just such a terrific It was such a
terrific film moment.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And boy uh you know the director that where they
put the camera and how they focused on Tristan a
little bit into that moment where we could see his
entire world just crumble before our eyes and he just
put the books down.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It just put her books down and wandered off in
his sadness.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yes, and Rory and Dean have this passionate kiss right
in front of the entire Chiltern student body. Let me
ask you this, Henri and you two Susan, have either
of you gone out of your way accidentally to run
into someone you had feelings for?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh yeah, especially at that age, like in school, Not
not that it was you know, particularly hard to do.
You know, you just go go go to like Barnes
and Nobles to study, you know, because you know someone
else is studying there, and you know you bring your
group of friends that they bring their you know, group
of friends and you also hang out but all the time. Yeah,
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of course.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, we used to do basically what Rory did because
our you know, my group of friends and I our
crushes all worked at places that we would go into normally.
So we would just accidentally go to the yolkre shop
when someone was working, like it was exactly the same
thing as Rory going into Dosie's Market. But yeah, we
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totally did that at that age. We drive by their
house and all that. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, I think we've all done that at one time
or another.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It's usually high school. Yeah, you don't know, you don't
know how else to go about it. But the semi
you know, stocker is shit right exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We don't do that anymore though, No, No.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I stopped doing that last week Tuesday. Let's talk about
this storyline. Max proposes to Laura. I wow, this was
packed with Max Laurel I cage match, what what a
and a really great scene. You know, I think the
Luke Max uh uh how should we call this?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh? They had some kind of a I.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Think we can call it jealousy.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It was a measuring contest.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, that's a good way way to put it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And and if that wasn't great enough, the scene that
followed between Max and Laurel I was just great.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It was.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It was my favorite Max Laurel I scene.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You mean, the one where she shows up at the hotel.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
No no, no, no, no no, in the living room, because it
spills into the living room because Max says, you know,
what's going on there? I sense something's going on, like
what is he doing?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Like right after you leave?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He seems to be everywhere, you know, like I'm sensing something.
So they're in the living room, they're going at it,
and then they decided to start over it. That absolutely
is my favorite because it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Because it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Shows her feelings, it shows everybody's feelings, and it shows
his insecurity. It shows Luke's insecurity in another way, and
it shows Laureli's confusion right and her unconscious attraction to
Luke perhaps who knows right. Very interesting dynamic there, interesting
how they how they write it. And one of the
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more satisfying scenes in the entire series is that scene overall,
but especially the one in the living room between Max
and Laurel I.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, frustrating too, frustrating scene too, because we spend so
much time with Luke and you know, obviously he goes
through his whole break, you know, Rachel takes off and
so you know, secretly, as fans, like you're like, oh,
Max is a good guy. He's playing you know, he's
staying the right things. Obviously by the end of the
scene he's sort of doing the right things, I guess.
But as a fan you're like, well, that's getting in
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the way of what we want for Lorelai, which is Luke.
You know. So it's like this, It's like, why am
I hating on a guy that's just like a great
a great dude. So it almost gives you internal conflict
in the same way maybe that Laura.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Lies right right, and Luke is so much more cautious
than Max. Max really just lays it out there, doesn't he.
I mean, he's not shy. He's like, this is how
I feel, Boom, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I love you? Will you marry me?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And who's this guy? And I don't like how that
makes me? So it seems like Max is more in
touch with his feelings. He's not a shame to lay
it down the line with her because the statics are
so high for him. He just but I think are
you getting the sense that Max is blowing it because
he's pushing too hard?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I that is, That's kind of where I went with it.
And I feel like the more I watched the show,
maybe the less I like Max. He's very he was
very possessive.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I felt like, uh, right away, coming from.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
The last episode where he was getting on Laura Live
for not telling all her friends that they had started
speaking again and he wasn't happy about that, And now
this episode he varied that scene in the foyer with Luke.
He was totally trying to mark his territory. And I
was kind of glad that Laura called him out on
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the proposal because I didn't feel like he was proposing
because he really wanted to get married. It almost felt
like he was proposing to show that she's his.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, And I can almost get what Max is trying
to do up until that point, Like I mean, if
that's your girl and some dudes like pushing up against her, yeah,
you got to say something. And even if it's a
little inappropriate or jealous, you understand where that comes from.
But once the proposal hit, I was like, that is
such a misstep, Like, where's that coming from? I totally agree.
I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That is the worst time to do that. When you're
in the middle of a fight. That's just that's just
absolute desperation that you're going to lose her.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, it's just so.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
It really does show a very deep insecurity.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, and I think he does love her, I think,
but I think he was just the proposal was more
out of panic than anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
But Suzanne, love is letting something go, and if it's
really love, it comes back. You know that here, all right,
Sophocles will shut up here.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
When we get to the inn. The daisies I thought
were an adorable touch, But he wasn't there. He was
on the phone, which that kind of bugged me too.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Like he should have been there.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Like he may be just in his underwear, covered in
roast in days thousand das with a note on top
and say, you know, find me or something.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
That wouldn't have been desperate at all. I never even
thought about that because I was just so caught up
visually in the moment. I was like, oh, that's a
that's a really cool scene. That's a great gesture. But
you're right, and he's just like, okay, cool, I'll tell
you that she called.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, but it was it was beautifully said.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It was a beautiful that's right, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I just it was just over the top.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And that was way more than a thousand daisies.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I'm sorry, it looked like like ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, but her reaction was was just really precious, wasn't it.
And it was mixed with it still the confusion and
the indecision. It wasn't like, this is it, He's got me,
there's this doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It's like, yeah, guys.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Even when she was talking to Luke at the end,
she's like, well I think I'm happy maybe, like just yeah,
she was flattered by the gesture, but still wasn't sure
about the deeper the deeper sentiment.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
But yeah, it's that confusion like this is everything I want,
but it's.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The wrong guy, you know, kind of subtextually, and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
She does that so well, right, Yeah, you can feel that,
you can read it on her face a little bit
and without being obvious about it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
That thing's hard. It's hard, right, Eddie. It's so hard.
So fun, Scott, but so fun.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's fun, but it's really hard to nail those moments.
I mean, you really just have to prep and oh
my all right, lor Ling, Okay, so yeah, there you go.
I mean I think that storyline we can put that
to bed as it were, no pun intention.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
All right, let's let's get into.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
A little bit Luke and Rachel breakup stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Uh what do you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Think I felt overall it was a little bit incomplete.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I wanted more.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I wanted to see more, you know, I don't know,
one more scene of not just the sort of finale
where she's packed and she's gone and it's like, hey.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Did you want something to like tie up the loose
ends more or what? Yeah, I did, just to have
at least a conversation. You know. I think it's because.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I don't know that the fans are so invested at
that point in Rachel and Luke, and they're a little
more invested in Max and Laurele I because they really
developed Max. I mean Max has been, you know, a
serious contender. And did you guys ever take Rachel seriously
as a contender for his heart?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You do in a way where you think he's going
it's a wayward path and you want to get him
off that path, you know, fan wise, like no, no, no, no,
he's for laurel I he loves laurel I don't do that, Rachel,
we hate you.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Go away?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So they didn't, you know, so they wrote it that way,
so he went away. But with Max and laurel I
do you think the fans felt that way too, Like
Max go away? This is the wrong path, because it
felt right a lot of the time, right between Max
and Laurelai until he started getting you know, uber possessive.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Anyway, that's my thought.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I tend to agree with that. I think they didn't
fully develop Rachel to the extent that they did with Max,
because Max was also a figure in Rory's life, you know,
as her teacher, so he was kind of always around,
and Rachel was more like just a plot device to
put some tension or some space between Luke and LORELEI.
(15:36):
Having said that, I actually liked Rachel and Luke. I
liked that storyline. They weren't endgame, but I liked that
kind of tension between the three of them, and I
agree that there could have been more there. They could have.
I mean, I get that they were at the end
of the season, and so they kind of wanted to
just tie that off and not have to carry it
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into the next season, but I would have liked to
see another couple episodes of that storyline to see how
it all played out. I liked Rachel as a character.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I did too. But at the same time, though, since
we spent so much more like this proportionate amount of
time with Luke just his reaction to like always being
at laurel Ies fixing stuff up, you're like, what else
really needs to be said? Like if his heart is
not even in that space and he's physically not even there,
Like what more do we really need to see from
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a conversation or what could she say to make him
you know what I mean, to win us over? Whereas
for Laurel I, it's almost the opposite, where we're almost
kind of like we're almost like pulling our hair out
because we're like, the gestures are so grand, but you're
almost hoping that she doesn't get swept away by the
gesture and to listen to like what's underneath that, because
they're so over the top that you're like, who wouldn't
(16:48):
fall in love with that? But then you have to
like take a breath and be like, well, what's going
on inside? And so you're like, please pay attention to
that too.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, that's that's true.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I also liked that Laurel I became really unhinged and
kind of yelled at Luke for being there so early
and driving her crazy, and that they have the comfort
with each other where she can do that and he
doesn't take it personally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's almost like they are already I.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Mean they're behaving somewhat in a way where they're already
a married couple and settled in their relationship, but without
you know, you know, consummating it or being together in
a real sense in reality.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And the flip side is true too, because Luke tends
to be so rough around the edges and so not
willing to open up to anybody that the fact that
he does even show, like you know, a modicum of
emotion and openness with Laura l or like see, she's
the one who can like draw you out and like
you can be open with her. That that that goes
a long way, Whereas I feel like Max can be
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open with anybody. He's just so well spoken and smooth
in that way that that makes us love Luke that
much more. You know, I should say, Luke and Laura
Lai that much more right, right? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, you know, Rachel all packed up and he walks
into the diner and it's see Saya and Aura. Yeah,
uh relief. Did we feel relief? Where we like, yeah,
that was going to happen, And I'm glad they didn't
make up such a meal out of it. You know,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think it wasn't unexpected. I mean, I don't think
that anybody watching it for the first time would think
that they're that relationship was going to continue. I mean
we kind of we kind of knew it wasn't going
to last, right all right.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I felt bad. I still felt bad for her.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So sweet, and she obviously, like anyway, just thinks that
it Sometimes it just turns out that way. It's one
of those things. So here's a question for both of you.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
What is it about Luke and Laurel I that makes
them such a great match even though they aren't together yet?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Why Why does it work so well?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I think it's it's what you just touched on, that
they're just so comfortable with each other, Like they're clearly
good friends, and you know, they they can they they
bicker and they banter, but it's all good at the end,
Like they always if they argue, they always make up.
Like it's just there's just a basis there that's of
friendship before the physical attraction. So I think it's just
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that they know each other well and they're good.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Friends, do you think, Eddie, Yeah, it's kind of like
that thing else, you know, I have. I have like
certain people in my life where you know, they could
be a little gruff, a little rough around the edges,
but they're like the meanest, nicest people I know, do
you know what I mean? I kind of feel of
like that's kind of like Luke to Laurelize that like
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he does little things that you're like, if you didn't
know any better, you just be like, yeah, he's just
getting a coffee or whatever it is. But there's like
little things that you're like, oh, and you know, and
obviously a big part of it is just like chemistry,
right like between between you and Lauren, there's obviously something
that we see that's sort of like an alchemy that
we're like something works, you know, and it's almost unspoken,
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and so the mixture of all that stuff, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, it's they're so unabashedly themselves and they feel that
they can be themselves around each other. Yeah, so there's
that comfort level right where he doesn't change who he
is in her presence, and she doesn't change. She becomes
more of who she is in his presence, and I
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think it's the same with him. So like any type
of social mask that they would wear, ever, however thin
it might be, comes off when they are together, and
so there's that comfort level, I think.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, very very.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Interesting dynamic between those two.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
All.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Let's get into Paris's resentment towards Rory and Tristan. Laugh
out loud stuff, the Eliza Wheel reactions, the anger, the force,
the potential violence is just too funny for words, all
wrapped up in one sort of shortish.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Teenage girl in a private school.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So Tristan stretching the truth by telling Madeline, Louise and
Paris that he's taking Rory to peach the PJ.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Harvey concert, He's not even stretching the truth.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
He's lying right, right.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Right, right, not even aware that PJ.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Harvey is a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And then later a little later on, Paris with her
passive aggressive resentment towards Rory for setting up Tristan in
Paris in the first place, right, Do you think Rory
should have done more to smooth over things with.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Paris, because I think she did a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Actually, I don't know that she could have done more.
I mean, Paris was set in her belief as to
what happened and she wasn't having anything that Rory had
to say, So I don't know that Rory could have
done anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I thought I thought Rory defended herself very well in
a situation where, you know, Paris flipped the power dynamic
and I'm editor and you're gonna get parking a lot
of assignments, and now Rory's like, oh geez, now I've
got to kiss the ring a little bit and you know,
and make up make it up here.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And I thought she quit herself very well. M hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
She Paris wasn't having it, wasn't having it, so find
herself in a pickle there, Rory again.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah. I felt bad for Rory because Tristan was a
complete jerk in this episode, spreading lies about her and
getting her in trouble with Paris, and uh, you know,
Rory was just the innocent victim. She didn't do anything wrong.
I felt bad for her.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I forget. Did Rory ever say straight up that, like
Tristan's just lying, I'm not going with him. Yes, she
did say that, right yeah, and then and it still
sort of fell on deaf ears right, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
She was an av Yeah, yeah, there was that fog
of rage over her brain, just like she was just
on the war path. But again, hysterical stuff. The slamming
of the locker just great.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Waiting for a tram or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh and then they're all like positioned on the stairs
like in some choreographed and then they turn and walk away.
Ye did they steal that from something that It looked
like they Still it looked.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Like they did, but I don't know, huh. I probably
shouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But it was that mean girls or something, and I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It definitely did look like it was an.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Omock thing, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The Troubadour Wars, which I found just fall off the
couch funny. Any Grantly Phillips that you get in the episodes,
they're just a joy. And he really got some nice
coverage in this episode, right. He had had some lines,
he had a couple of scenes, just a great storyline
for for Grant and and David, the stars hollow Town Troubadour.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Getting some unexpected competition across the street. So good, so good,
so Grant.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You know, Grant's only been the town Troubadour for six
months and he presents his concerns the town town hall meeting.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I thought I thought.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Michael Winters was on fire in this in this episode.
It was just this was my favorite town hall meeting,
I think it was. This was really like tops for
me so far, but really just great funny stuff and everybody,
you know, they decide on it and vote and that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Too bad, Too bad, David, you're done, You're out.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You can't do that to the Town Troubadour. We value
this guy so much. And that's the same town all
meeting where Rory makes her little speech, right, yeah, yeah,
Why do you guys think this was even in the episode.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
There's got to be a reason.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
There always has to be some weird town quirkiness going on.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, it also, as you mentioned, sets up Rory's big
speech yeah right, which is directly relates to what the
Troubadour is going through. As you know, obviously the audience
knows better, but the people in the town hall think
it's just about the troubadour.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Right, but what a brilliant way to do it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Right, so good, so charming.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, what a brilliant, right charming way to do this,
and so entertaining and so much fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
And it ties back to you know, there's there's like
a territory war going on between Luke and Max, and
now there's this literal territory war going on between these
two troubadours fighting over this town.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Right and then Dean interested in and interested.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
In Paris and yeah, right, yeah, all fighting for turf.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I loved the way the troubadour thing wrapped up though,
like with the two of them performing, because.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's what music's all about. Man, it was so good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So now we have this closing scene we see special
moment at the end where and I thought this was
really the great ending of all endings of any episode
to see these two running at each other, mother and
daughter running at each other because their lives are starting
(26:41):
to really blossom and they're in love again and they
all and they just run at each other and jump
up and down like they're like, you know, Lorealize the
little kid and we really see how special their relationship is.
I mean, it's just it's just very heartwarming to see that.
And I think anybody watching that mother and daughter watching
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that scene is just they fall deeper and deeper in
love with this show.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And I bet you the tears were just flowing, you know.
I mean, especially in light of all the relationships that
we talked about in this episode. It brings it back
to like what the show's at the heart. It is
called gil Mortals, right, and this is this is the
primary thing.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And the healing quality of the show, because you know,
I do a lot of conventions, and what I hear
most what is the mother daughter and how it brought
us back together. And now we watch it religiously together
and it's healed our relationship and now our father's involved
and our brothers are involved, and it's just it's really
(27:45):
helped our family. So it's like this this tonic for
people's lives and it's just wonderful to hear it. And
and that scene, that scene encapsulates that the power of love.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
The power of love? Right, Yeah, what are we gonna say? Sorry?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Oh, I was just gonna say I loved the camera
work the way that they told the story with the
close up of each of them running and then it
goes out to the macro level with the crane shot
above the whole square. I just I love the way
they did that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, thinks they know what they're doing things. They know
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
They's they are master storytellers for sure. What a what
a team Eddie. Now we're going to focus on you,
young man.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Can I just say yes? After seeing Gilmore Girls, after
of years of like, you know, obviously there was a
fair amount of nostalgia for me since, like I said,
that was my first job. I mean, you guys, you know,
obviously you guys talk about this all the time, their
pot and stuff. But I have to say, just the
overall just feeling, I didn't, you know, I didn't expect
to feel the way that I felt after that show,
(28:47):
you know, after that one episode, just to be like, man,
it just feels like an old friend that you just
love so much, and it just you just wish that
life could feel that way, right, And I just I
don't know, it was pretty shocking, is shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And I was like, wow, that was like I think
you're trying to say you teared up.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I was like wallowing. I was like, Wow, that vibe
is just so it's just unique.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, in the fields that it does. Man, all right,
how did you first get the role of Henry Show?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Do you remember? Yeah? I was? I was. I was
doing theater in Chicago. My my reps out there were like, hey,
you're getting some interest down in LA. I was like, great,
I don't want to go. I just want to be
a theater actor in Chicago. They're like, you're a moron.
Just go see what happens. Chicago's not going anywhere. So
I was like okay. So I took like a two
week road trip with my buddy Jimmy. We're in Vegas.
(29:39):
This will date me. My page is blowing up and
I'm like I'm like all right, and they're like, yeah,
you got to be in La by Monday. Was I
was there for the weekend and and they're like, there's
a show Gilmore Girls that wants to you know, meet you.
Drop my buddy off at the airport, pulled out the
old paper Thomas Guide and I was like, where this
(30:00):
Warner Brother's place When there was a room full of people.
Turns out that all the casting directors were actually from Chicago,
so that sort of put me at ease. Uh and
then yeah, I read for it, and then like a
day and a half later, they're like, yeah, cut, you're
you got the part. And I was like, nice, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, how many episodes did you expect to be and
did they tell you?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I don't remember. At the time, they may have even
said that I was recurring, but I'm not sure. But
I mean at the time I was so green, I
wouldn't even know what that meant, right, Because I think
the first season ended, I went back to Chicago to
do a theater show and then and then they called
again to be like, hey, we wrote him in a
few more episodes. Yeah mm hmm. Nice. Yeah that's great. Well,
(30:44):
so what was it like working with Keiko? Yeah, it was,
it was It was great. It was funny watching the
episode that we went over because my memory of it's
it's weird when like offset dynamics mirror onset dynamics, and
I remember like I would rarely see like Teal, Paris
and Shelley without one without the other two, so you know,
(31:05):
and then with Keko, I always saw Kiko sort of separately.
And then I would always you know, you know as
far as and then and then Rory would just sort
of sort of be coming in and out as as
I saw her. But Keko was just such such a sweetheart.
And I've seen her since a few times, like she's uh,
she just does a lot of improv and there was
(31:26):
a time where I was deep into the improv scene,
so I would see her at shows and you know
we'd always say hi and stuff like that. But yeah,
she was always just really really fun and sweet. Favorite
memories I think just the excitement of, like I said,
this was my first TV job and I had just
landed in in LA so just just you know, the
(31:47):
thrill of just being on an actual professional set and
like you know the party scene where I met they
were like all these extras and I'm like, whoa, this
is like this is how they do it, and just
like you know, wide eyed, and it was this a
great foraid to the industry. Yeah, uh, do you get
recognized for being on the show. Yeah, you know, years
after this, like maybe about five years ago, I was
(32:10):
doing a different show, and like mothers would bring their
daughters to like you know meet the cast of that
show and the daughters would be fans of that show,
and the mothers would be fans of Gilmore Girl. So
it'd be like this weird dynamic where like the kid
would be like, hey, you're Dave and the parents would
be like, no, he's Henry. So you know, yeah, just randomly. Yeah,
(32:32):
Gilmore Girls fans very passionate. Man Like, there's no there's
not like a middle ground of like the Gilmore Girl
like either they're in or they're like, what's you know,
Either they're like I don't know what Gilmore Girls would
like do he's Henry show? You know? Yeah, they are
quite extraordinary. Yeah, so you were a series regular on
that eighties show. Yeah, that was the show that took
(32:54):
me off. Gilmore Girls. Oh really yeah, because, like the
way I remember it well, people know that seventies show,
and the creators of that show were creating a spin off,
and so we let the show, you know, Gilmore Girls,
you know, Amy know that hey he's I mean I
probably went in the audition for that thing like seven
(33:14):
or eight times, and by the time the fifth or
sixth audition came around, we sort of let Gilmore Girls
and they're like, hey, this is turned this might turn
into something, and of course it did, and then so
you know, Amy was like, oh that's too bad. You know,
we had other things planned for Henry. But you know
what Best of Love? Right? Seven auditions? Yeah, because like
(33:35):
they did again, I was sort of new to the
to the city and a lot of the cast were
like who Eddie who, Like where's he from? Blah blah blah.
So you know, the first couple of rounds were just
like these hundreds of people where they just read you.
And then eventually I got to meet the producers and
then you know, you sort of moved.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So it took you, you know, three or four auditions
just to get to the producer level.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, it was like three auditions to get to the producer,
then like two of the producers, and then there's a
studio level, and then then you know, the network level. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Wow, man, I just I got this job so easily.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I had Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
One read Yeah, because it was because Luke was a
guest star in the pilot.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Oh my god. And then they're just like, yeah, this
guy's gonna stick around. I didn't have to get amazing,
and I've been through all that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I've been through the whole Ringer of Yeah, all the
studio level, network level, you know, it takes right and
you never you're going to get it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, I've been through. I don't have to go through
that on this. That's that's the best way where you
sort of take the back door. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's amazing.
Announced in the first meeting.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Listen, this is the only chance you're going to get
to read me, So either get or I'm sailing.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Nice cocky. I remember in the room there was for
Gilmore Girls. It was it was it was it was
the two casting directors of the casting associate who has
now since become a casting director, and then Amy was there,
and then there was another like consultants to the show
who wanted to see if, like I could authentically pass
(35:16):
as like a young Korean American man. Oh really, okay,
I think it was she was like, actually Amy's actual
friend Helen Pie. Is that who it was?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Helen Pie. It was probably Helen. Yeah, yeah, they're very
good friends.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And I have and I have the audition side somewhere
for Gilmore Girls. I was trying to find him before
the podcast, be like what scene did I read for?
But it's floating around in my house somewhere right right.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So you've had a pretty diverse career, really, West World, Beef, sitcoms,
Alex and Katie. You prefer comedy drama?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
What do you like? I think just my personality I
think lends it self to like the multicam. Well, I
just like it as the genre. But as you know,
as you know, as you go through things in your
own life, you kind of want to express it in
different ways, and sometimes you're just feeling like, I want
(36:15):
to do something a little bit more dramatic versus I
feel like, you know, letting loose a little bit on
the silly side. So that was something that was always
important to me to do a variety of different stuff.
Let's create a new character of the multiicam dramas so.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
We don't have to do it over and over and
over again, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I mean, you still have to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You still have to repeat your stuff on the multicams,
but they're all unique takes and they're all preserved that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I mean. The tricky thing about that is sometimes they
just read write a lot. I mean not sometimes they
all the time they're like, hey, your new line is
this and sort of on the spot you have to deliver.
But some I'm sure some of the hours you had
on Gilmore Girls must have been brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Sometimes, yeah, but I mean that's just that's just TV.
That's yeah, that's the nature of the thing it is.
That's that's the nature of the beast. They they say
they don't pay for to act. They pay you to
wait to wait around.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, right, right right. Any upcoming projects fans should look
out for. Uh yeah, I'm doing a bunch of voiceover
stuff right now. Unfortunately they're sort of riddled with like
I signed my life away with like NDA's you know,
I don't talk about this stuff. I'm like, you know whatever,
but just you know, voiceover stuff I'm doing, you know,
a project with Sony. We're working on a game and
(37:26):
then some an animated series that's gonna come out sometime
whatever they decide to release it.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I am not one to get you to violate India's
new I don't.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Want to get in the middle of that.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, exactly, all right, We're gonna do rapid Fire. You ready,
let's go passing your seatbelts, coffee, your tea coffee.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
How do you take your coffee. Black Children or Yale
Yale Team Dean Jess or Logan Dean Why I it's
it's it's a it's a gut instinct thing where I'm
just like I just like Dean. You know, it's none
of my business. Richard or Emily, Oh, Richard.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Again, none of my business? Favorite season?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Oh one? The introduction to it All one is fantastic?
Are you kidding? Wow? I am being very serious.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
One word to describe Gilmour Girls heart Mmmm, So'syne?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Uh comfortable?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Favorite character Henry Laura Lai answer, good answer, most iconic
Gilmore Girls quote.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I will say I I I rarely laugh out loud,
but I did laugh out loud when Rory said I
you know I love you? You did? I was like heart,
that hit my heart. You know I don't do that
a lot. Yeah. Luke's Diner or Friday night dinner. Oh Lukes.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
It says a lot about you like that. Ni Shan,
you are amazing. Thank you for spending some time with us.
We've heard your ass catching up. All the best to
you and good luck on all your future projects and
please please come back. All right, man, there's more to
unearth here. Okay, thanks for coming on already, Shin, everybody.
(39:18):
Let's give him a round of applause, all right, Bud,
take care, all right, everybody, and also again follow us
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us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
I heart Podcast one on one episode with Eddie Shan
we are breaking down Season one, episode twenty one, Love
Daisy's and Troubadours.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Eddie, Welcome, how are you? I'm great man, good to
be here, Suzanne.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hello, Hello, Hello, our newly anointed superstar with all the
charisma for Riz as the kid said the todays, Eddie Shin,
as you know, is Henri Cho on Gilmore Girls. He
was first appearance season one, episode seventeen, The Breakup, Part two,
where he meets Lane at a party and sparks do
(01:08):
fly unexpectedly because he is the perfect person that Lane's
mom would approve of and therefore he is unsuitable to Lane.
Thanks for joining us, Bud. This is the season one
and finale. Have you watched Gilmore Girls before?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
This is your first episode? Ddie? No, I remember last
you when I when I got cast. So Gilmore Girls
was my first TV job ever, right Like I was
actually in Vegas when I got the call to you know,
from my agent twit and hadn't even met yet, being like, hey,
there's a show Gilmore girls, you have an audition. You've
got to be in La by Monday. It was like
a Saturday night or something like that. So I remember
(01:43):
after I got cast, I had watched that episode, and
then of course I rewatched the episode that you just mentioned. Episode. Yeah, well,
here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Air date May tenth, two thousand and one, twenty almost
twenty four years ago. Here's their synopsis. Lower a line, Max,
we kindled the romance, and boy do that they ever?
As Luke and Rachel fade, Rory clashes with Tristan, which
is pretty easy to do. Who misleads Paris and Friends,
(02:17):
and finally speaks to Dean post breakup. Directed by the
one and only Amy Sherman Palladino, written by the one
and only Daniel palladin all right, let's get into this, guys,
Rory and Dean's breakup and reunion.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Rory and Dean have been through a rough patch.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Since, they say, since she didn't say I love you
back when when Dean you know, said his I love
you and it was hanging out there like a big
moss of ball. Rory's curiosity leads her to look for
Dean around Star Sola.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
What you guys think of this? I liked it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, it was. It was cute. The whole thing with
the younger sister. I thought was a little weird that
they had dated for three months but Clara didn't recognize
Rory and Rory did no Claire's name. I thought that
was a little odd, But in general I thought it
was cute how she was starting to realize she still
had feelings for Dean and was running around town looking
(03:09):
for him.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And they needed a little sister to like draw up
the drama of like, wait, what do you mean my
picture is still in his room or whatever? You know,
sort of draws you in to be like, wait o,
there's a little feelings or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah, and yeah she was. She got a little overbearing.
Laurie got a little overbearing there, didn't she trying to
force the issue go in the room and get the pictures.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, a little stocker is Yeah it was.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
It was a little much, but I'm out a little
out of character for her, But I guess she feels
like she screws up and then she speaks. Roy does
at the town meeting in favor of the town Jupiter,
but her speech takes on a deeper meaning with hidden
messages regarding the way she feels about Deane.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I thought that was a very clever device.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And I enjoy those scenes because you get to see
Dean react, you know, and it keeps us in the story.
So later Dean surprises Rory at Chilton, only to see
Rory in Tristan together. Good god, what a scene. What
a satisfying scene. I mean, if you're ever gonna you know,
(04:16):
wallop the creepy Tristan, right, that's the way to do it. Yeah,
I mean, there's there's this is just no coming back.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Ro What did you guys think of that? Well? It
was especially good in light of the other sort of
love stories that had sort of come to a head,
come to ahead by this episode, which was you know,
obviously you're you're you know, I should say, Luke's story
with Rachel, and then you know Laura Lai, you know,
with with her whole sort of like you know, the proposal,
So everything sort of crescendoed and you're just kind of like,
well this is crazy, you know. So it was very satisfying.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, you know, to sort of recap all this. Rory
finally says I love you back, but she doesn't say
I love you. She says, I love you you idiot,
don't you idiot? I loved Is that what she said? Yes,
it was just such a terrific It was such a
terrific film moment.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
And boy uh you know the director that where they
put the camera and how they focused on Tristan a
little bit into that moment where we could see his
entire world just crumble before our eyes and he just
put the books down.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It just put her books down and wandered off in
his sadness.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yes, and Rory and Dean have this passionate kiss right
in front of the entire Chiltern student body. Let me
ask you this, Henri and you two Susan, have either
of you gone out of your way accidentally to run
into someone you had feelings for?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh yeah, especially at that age, like in school, Not
not that it was you know, particularly hard to do.
You know, you just go go go to like Barnes
and Nobles to study, you know, because you know someone
else is studying there, and you know you bring your
group of friends that they bring their you know, group
of friends and you also hang out but all the time. Yeah,
(06:08):
of course.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Yeah, we used to do basically what Rory did because
our you know, my group of friends and I our
crushes all worked at places that we would go into normally.
So we would just accidentally go to the yolkre shop
when someone was working, like it was exactly the same
thing as Rory going into Dosie's Market. But yeah, we
(06:29):
totally did that at that age. We drive by their
house and all that. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, I think we've all done that at one time
or another.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
It's usually high school. Yeah, you don't know, you don't
know how else to go about it. But the semi
you know, stocker is shit right exactly.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
We don't do that anymore though, No, No.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I stopped doing that last week Tuesday. Let's talk about
this storyline. Max proposes to Laura. I wow, this was
packed with Max Laurel I cage match, what what a
and a really great scene. You know, I think the
Luke Max uh uh how should we call this?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Uh? They had some kind of a I.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Think we can call it jealousy.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It was a measuring contest.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, that's a good way way to put it.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
And and if that wasn't great enough, the scene that
followed between Max and Laurel I was just great.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
It was.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It was my favorite Max Laurel I scene.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You mean, the one where she shows up at the hotel.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
No no, no, no, no no, in the living room, because it
spills into the living room because Max says, you know,
what's going on there? I sense something's going on, like
what is he doing?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Like right after you leave?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
He seems to be everywhere, you know, like I'm sensing something.
So they're in the living room, they're going at it,
and then they decided to start over it. That absolutely
is my favorite because it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Because it.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Shows her feelings, it shows everybody's feelings, and it shows
his insecurity. It shows Luke's insecurity in another way, and
it shows Laureli's confusion right and her unconscious attraction to
Luke perhaps who knows right. Very interesting dynamic there, interesting
how they how they write it. And one of the
(08:23):
more satisfying scenes in the entire series is that scene overall,
but especially the one in the living room between Max
and Laurel I.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Well, frustrating too, frustrating scene too, because we spend so
much time with Luke and you know, obviously he goes
through his whole break, you know, Rachel takes off and
so you know, secretly, as fans, like you're like, oh,
Max is a good guy. He's playing you know, he's
staying the right things. Obviously by the end of the
scene he's sort of doing the right things, I guess.
But as a fan you're like, well, that's getting in
(08:53):
the way of what we want for Lorelai, which is Luke.
You know. So it's like this, It's like, why am
I hating on a guy that's just like a great
a great dude. So it almost gives you internal conflict
in the same way maybe that Laura.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Lies right right, and Luke is so much more cautious
than Max. Max really just lays it out there, doesn't he.
I mean, he's not shy. He's like, this is how
I feel, Boom, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I love you? Will you marry me?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
And who's this guy? And I don't like how that
makes me? So it seems like Max is more in
touch with his feelings. He's not a shame to lay
it down the line with her because the statics are
so high for him. He just but I think are
you getting the sense that Max is blowing it because
he's pushing too hard?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I that is, That's kind of where I went with it.
And I feel like the more I watched the show,
maybe the less I like Max. He's very he was
very possessive.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I felt like, uh, right away, coming from.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
The last episode where he was getting on Laura Live
for not telling all her friends that they had started
speaking again and he wasn't happy about that, And now
this episode he varied that scene in the foyer with Luke.
He was totally trying to mark his territory. And I
was kind of glad that Laura called him out on
(10:10):
the proposal because I didn't feel like he was proposing
because he really wanted to get married. It almost felt
like he was proposing to show that she's his.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, And I can almost get what Max is trying
to do up until that point, Like I mean, if
that's your girl and some dudes like pushing up against her, yeah,
you got to say something. And even if it's a
little inappropriate or jealous, you understand where that comes from.
But once the proposal hit, I was like, that is
such a misstep, Like, where's that coming from? I totally agree.
I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
That is the worst time to do that. When you're
in the middle of a fight. That's just that's just
absolute desperation that you're going to lose her.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, it's just so.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
It really does show a very deep insecurity.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Yeah, and I think he does love her, I think,
but I think he was just the proposal was more
out of panic than anything else.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
But Suzanne, love is letting something go, and if it's
really love, it comes back. You know that here, all right,
Sophocles will shut up here.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
When we get to the inn. The daisies I thought
were an adorable touch, But he wasn't there. He was
on the phone, which that kind of bugged me too.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Like he should have been there.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Like he may be just in his underwear, covered in
roast in days thousand das with a note on top
and say, you know, find me or something.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
That wouldn't have been desperate at all. I never even
thought about that because I was just so caught up
visually in the moment. I was like, oh, that's a
that's a really cool scene. That's a great gesture. But
you're right, and he's just like, okay, cool, I'll tell
you that she called.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, but it was it was beautifully said.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
It was a beautiful that's right, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Yeah, I just it was just over the top.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And that was way more than a thousand daisies.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I'm sorry, it looked like like ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, but her reaction was was just really precious, wasn't it.
And it was mixed with it still the confusion and
the indecision. It wasn't like, this is it, He's got me,
there's this doubt.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
It's like, yeah, guys.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Even when she was talking to Luke at the end,
she's like, well I think I'm happy maybe, like just yeah,
she was flattered by the gesture, but still wasn't sure
about the deeper the deeper sentiment.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
But yeah, it's that confusion like this is everything I want,
but it's.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The wrong guy, you know, kind of subtextually, and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
She does that so well, right, Yeah, you can feel that,
you can read it on her face a little bit
and without being obvious about it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
That thing's hard. It's hard, right, Eddie. It's so hard.
So fun, Scott, but so fun.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's fun, but it's really hard to nail those moments.
I mean, you really just have to prep and oh
my all right, lor Ling, Okay, so yeah, there you go.
I mean I think that storyline we can put that
to bed as it were, no pun intention.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
All right, let's let's get into.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
A little bit Luke and Rachel breakup stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Uh what do you.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Think I felt overall it was a little bit incomplete.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
I wanted more.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I wanted to see more, you know, I don't know,
one more scene of not just the sort of finale
where she's packed and she's gone and it's like, hey.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Did you want something to like tie up the loose
ends more or what? Yeah, I did, just to have
at least a conversation. You know. I think it's because.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
I don't know that the fans are so invested at
that point in Rachel and Luke, and they're a little
more invested in Max and Laurele I because they really
developed Max. I mean Max has been, you know, a
serious contender. And did you guys ever take Rachel seriously
as a contender for his heart?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
You do in a way where you think he's going
it's a wayward path and you want to get him
off that path, you know, fan wise, like no, no, no, no,
he's for laurel I he loves laurel I don't do that, Rachel,
we hate you.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Go away?
Speaker 2 (14:52):
So they didn't, you know, so they wrote it that way,
so he went away. But with Max and laurel I
do you think the fans felt that way too, Like
Max go away? This is the wrong path, because it
felt right a lot of the time, right between Max
and Laurelai until he started getting you know, uber possessive.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Anyway, that's my thought.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
I tend to agree with that. I think they didn't
fully develop Rachel to the extent that they did with Max,
because Max was also a figure in Rory's life, you know,
as her teacher, so he was kind of always around,
and Rachel was more like just a plot device to
put some tension or some space between Luke and LORELEI.
(15:36):
Having said that, I actually liked Rachel and Luke. I
liked that storyline. They weren't endgame, but I liked that
kind of tension between the three of them, and I
agree that there could have been more there. They could have.
I mean, I get that they were at the end
of the season, and so they kind of wanted to
just tie that off and not have to carry it
(15:57):
into the next season, but I would have liked to
see another couple episodes of that storyline to see how
it all played out. I liked Rachel as a character.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I did too. But at the same time, though, since
we spent so much more like this proportionate amount of
time with Luke just his reaction to like always being
at laurel Ies fixing stuff up, you're like, what else
really needs to be said? Like if his heart is
not even in that space and he's physically not even there,
Like what more do we really need to see from
(16:27):
a conversation or what could she say to make him
you know what I mean, to win us over? Whereas
for Laurel I, it's almost the opposite, where we're almost
kind of like we're almost like pulling our hair out
because we're like, the gestures are so grand, but you're
almost hoping that she doesn't get swept away by the
gesture and to listen to like what's underneath that, because
they're so over the top that you're like, who wouldn't
(16:48):
fall in love with that? But then you have to
like take a breath and be like, well, what's going
on inside? And so you're like, please pay attention to
that too.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, that's that's true.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I also liked that Laurel I became really unhinged and
kind of yelled at Luke for being there so early
and driving her crazy, and that they have the comfort
with each other where she can do that and he
doesn't take it personally, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It's almost like they are already I.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Mean they're behaving somewhat in a way where they're already
a married couple and settled in their relationship, but without
you know, you know, consummating it or being together in
a real sense in reality.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And the flip side is true too, because Luke tends
to be so rough around the edges and so not
willing to open up to anybody that the fact that
he does even show, like you know, a modicum of
emotion and openness with Laura l or like see, she's
the one who can like draw you out and like
you can be open with her. That that that goes
a long way, Whereas I feel like Max can be
(17:49):
open with anybody. He's just so well spoken and smooth
in that way that that makes us love Luke that
much more. You know, I should say, Luke and Laura
Lai that much more right, right? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Well, you know, Rachel all packed up and he walks
into the diner and it's see Saya and Aura. Yeah,
uh relief. Did we feel relief? Where we like, yeah,
that was going to happen, And I'm glad they didn't
make up such a meal out of it. You know,
what do you think?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I think it wasn't unexpected. I mean, I don't think
that anybody watching it for the first time would think
that they're that relationship was going to continue. I mean
we kind of we kind of knew it wasn't going
to last, right all right.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I felt bad. I still felt bad for her.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
M hmm.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
So sweet, and she obviously, like anyway, just thinks that
it Sometimes it just turns out that way. It's one
of those things. So here's a question for both of you.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
What is it about Luke and Laurel I that makes
them such a great match even though they aren't together yet?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Why Why does it work so well?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I think it's it's what you just touched on, that
they're just so comfortable with each other, Like they're clearly
good friends, and you know, they they can they they
bicker and they banter, but it's all good at the end,
Like they always if they argue, they always make up.
Like it's just there's just a basis there that's of
friendship before the physical attraction. So I think it's just
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that they know each other well and they're good.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Friends, do you think, Eddie, Yeah, it's kind of like
that thing else, you know, I have. I have like
certain people in my life where you know, they could
be a little gruff, a little rough around the edges,
but they're like the meanest, nicest people I know, do
you know what I mean? I kind of feel of
like that's kind of like Luke to Laurelize that like
(19:39):
he does little things that you're like, if you didn't
know any better, you just be like, yeah, he's just
getting a coffee or whatever it is. But there's like
little things that you're like, oh, and you know, and
obviously a big part of it is just like chemistry,
right like between between you and Lauren, there's obviously something
that we see that's sort of like an alchemy that
we're like something works, you know, and it's almost unspoken,
(20:00):
and so the mixture of all that stuff, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, it's they're so unabashedly themselves and they feel that
they can be themselves around each other. Yeah, so there's
that comfort level right where he doesn't change who he
is in her presence, and she doesn't change. She becomes
more of who she is in his presence, and I
(20:25):
think it's the same with him. So like any type
of social mask that they would wear, ever, however thin
it might be, comes off when they are together, and
so there's that comfort level, I think.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah, very very.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Interesting dynamic between those two.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
All.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Let's get into Paris's resentment towards Rory and Tristan. Laugh
out loud stuff, the Eliza Wheel reactions, the anger, the force,
the potential violence is just too funny for words, all
wrapped up in one sort of shortish.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Teenage girl in a private school.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
So Tristan stretching the truth by telling Madeline, Louise and
Paris that he's taking Rory to peach the PJ.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Harvey concert, He's not even stretching the truth.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
He's lying right, right.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Right, right, not even aware that PJ.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Harvey is a woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And then later a little later on, Paris with her
passive aggressive resentment towards Rory for setting up Tristan in
Paris in the first place, right, Do you think Rory
should have done more to smooth over things with.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Paris, because I think she did a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Actually, I don't know that she could have done more.
I mean, Paris was set in her belief as to
what happened and she wasn't having anything that Rory had
to say, So I don't know that Rory could have
done anymore.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I thought I thought Rory defended herself very well in
a situation where, you know, Paris flipped the power dynamic
and I'm editor and you're gonna get parking a lot
of assignments, and now Rory's like, oh geez, now I've
got to kiss the ring a little bit and you know,
and make up make it up here.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
And I thought she quit herself very well. M hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
She Paris wasn't having it, wasn't having it, so find
herself in a pickle there, Rory again.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah. I felt bad for Rory because Tristan was a
complete jerk in this episode, spreading lies about her and
getting her in trouble with Paris, and uh, you know,
Rory was just the innocent victim. She didn't do anything wrong.
I felt bad for her.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I forget. Did Rory ever say straight up that, like
Tristan's just lying, I'm not going with him. Yes, she
did say that, right yeah, and then and it still
sort of fell on deaf ears right, yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
She was an av Yeah, yeah, there was that fog
of rage over her brain, just like she was just
on the war path. But again, hysterical stuff. The slamming
of the locker just great.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Waiting for a tram or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Oh and then they're all like positioned on the stairs
like in some choreographed and then they turn and walk away.
Ye did they steal that from something that It looked
like they Still it looked.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Like they did, but I don't know, huh. I probably
shouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But it was that mean girls or something, and I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
It definitely did look like it was an.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Omock thing, all right.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The Troubadour Wars, which I found just fall off the
couch funny. Any Grantly Phillips that you get in the episodes,
they're just a joy. And he really got some nice
coverage in this episode, right. He had had some lines,
he had a couple of scenes, just a great storyline
for for Grant and and David, the stars hollow Town Troubadour.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Getting some unexpected competition across the street. So good, so good,
so Grant.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You know, Grant's only been the town Troubadour for six
months and he presents his concerns the town town hall meeting.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I thought I thought.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Michael Winters was on fire in this in this episode.
It was just this was my favorite town hall meeting,
I think it was. This was really like tops for
me so far, but really just great funny stuff and everybody,
you know, they decide on it and vote and that's it.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Too bad, Too bad, David, you're done, You're out.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
You can't do that to the Town Troubadour. We value
this guy so much. And that's the same town all
meeting where Rory makes her little speech, right, yeah, yeah,
Why do you guys think this was even in the episode.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
There's got to be a reason.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
There always has to be some weird town quirkiness going on.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, it also, as you mentioned, sets up Rory's big
speech yeah right, which is directly relates to what the
Troubadour is going through. As you know, obviously the audience
knows better, but the people in the town hall think
it's just about the troubadour.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Right, but what a brilliant way to do it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Right, so good, so charming.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, what a brilliant, right charming way to do this,
and so entertaining and so much fun to watch.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
And it ties back to you know, there's there's like
a territory war going on between Luke and Max, and
now there's this literal territory war going on between these
two troubadours fighting over this town.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Right and then Dean interested in and interested.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
In Paris and yeah, right, yeah, all fighting for turf.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I loved the way the troubadour thing wrapped up though,
like with the two of them performing, because.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
That's what music's all about. Man, it was so good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So now we have this closing scene we see special
moment at the end where and I thought this was
really the great ending of all endings of any episode
to see these two running at each other, mother and
daughter running at each other because their lives are starting
(26:41):
to really blossom and they're in love again and they
all and they just run at each other and jump
up and down like they're like, you know, Lorealize the
little kid and we really see how special their relationship is.
I mean, it's just it's just very heartwarming to see that.
And I think anybody watching that mother and daughter watching
(27:03):
that scene is just they fall deeper and deeper in
love with this show.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And I bet you the tears were just flowing, you know.
I mean, especially in light of all the relationships that
we talked about in this episode. It brings it back
to like what the show's at the heart. It is
called gil Mortals, right, and this is this is the
primary thing.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
And the healing quality of the show, because you know,
I do a lot of conventions, and what I hear
most what is the mother daughter and how it brought
us back together. And now we watch it religiously together
and it's healed our relationship and now our father's involved
and our brothers are involved, and it's just it's really
(27:45):
helped our family. So it's like this this tonic for
people's lives and it's just wonderful to hear it. And
and that scene, that scene encapsulates that the power of love.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
The power of love? Right, Yeah, what are we gonna say? Sorry?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Oh, I was just gonna say I loved the camera
work the way that they told the story with the
close up of each of them running and then it
goes out to the macro level with the crane shot
above the whole square. I just I love the way
they did that.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, thinks they know what they're doing things. They know
what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
They's they are master storytellers for sure. What a what
a team Eddie. Now we're going to focus on you,
young man.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Can I just say yes? After seeing Gilmore Girls, after
of years of like, you know, obviously there was a
fair amount of nostalgia for me since, like I said,
that was my first job. I mean, you guys, you know,
obviously you guys talk about this all the time, their
pot and stuff. But I have to say, just the
overall just feeling, I didn't, you know, I didn't expect
to feel the way that I felt after that show,
(28:47):
you know, after that one episode, just to be like, man,
it just feels like an old friend that you just
love so much, and it just you just wish that
life could feel that way, right, And I just I
don't know, it was pretty shocking, is shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
And I was like, wow, that was like I think
you're trying to say you teared up.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I was like wallowing. I was like, Wow, that vibe
is just so it's just unique.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, in the fields that it does. Man, all right,
how did you first get the role of Henry Show?
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Do you remember? Yeah? I was? I was. I was
doing theater in Chicago. My my reps out there were like, hey,
you're getting some interest down in LA. I was like, great,
I don't want to go. I just want to be
a theater actor in Chicago. They're like, you're a moron.
Just go see what happens. Chicago's not going anywhere. So
I was like okay. So I took like a two
week road trip with my buddy Jimmy. We're in Vegas.
(29:39):
This will date me. My page is blowing up and
I'm like I'm like all right, and they're like, yeah,
you got to be in La by Monday. Was I
was there for the weekend and and they're like, there's
a show Gilmore Girls that wants to you know, meet you.
Drop my buddy off at the airport, pulled out the
old paper Thomas Guide and I was like, where this
(30:00):
Warner Brother's place When there was a room full of people.
Turns out that all the casting directors were actually from Chicago,
so that sort of put me at ease. Uh and
then yeah, I read for it, and then like a
day and a half later, they're like, yeah, cut, you're
you got the part. And I was like, nice, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, how many episodes did you expect to be and
did they tell you?
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I don't remember. At the time, they may have even
said that I was recurring, but I'm not sure. But
I mean at the time I was so green, I
wouldn't even know what that meant, right, Because I think
the first season ended, I went back to Chicago to
do a theater show and then and then they called
again to be like, hey, we wrote him in a
few more episodes. Yeah mm hmm. Nice. Yeah that's great. Well,
(30:44):
so what was it like working with Keiko? Yeah, it was,
it was It was great. It was funny watching the
episode that we went over because my memory of it's
it's weird when like offset dynamics mirror onset dynamics, and
I remember like I would rarely see like Teal, Paris
and Shelley without one without the other two, so you know,
(31:05):
and then with Keko, I always saw Kiko sort of separately.
And then I would always you know, you know as
far as and then and then Rory would just sort
of sort of be coming in and out as as
I saw her. But Keko was just such such a sweetheart.
And I've seen her since a few times, like she's uh,
she just does a lot of improv and there was
(31:26):
a time where I was deep into the improv scene,
so I would see her at shows and you know
we'd always say hi and stuff like that. But yeah,
she was always just really really fun and sweet. Favorite
memories I think just the excitement of, like I said,
this was my first TV job and I had just
landed in in LA so just just you know, the
(31:47):
thrill of just being on an actual professional set and
like you know the party scene where I met they
were like all these extras and I'm like, whoa, this
is like this is how they do it, and just
like you know, wide eyed, and it was this a
great foraid to the industry. Yeah, uh, do you get
recognized for being on the show. Yeah, you know, years
after this, like maybe about five years ago, I was
(32:10):
doing a different show, and like mothers would bring their
daughters to like you know meet the cast of that
show and the daughters would be fans of that show,
and the mothers would be fans of Gilmore Girl. So
it'd be like this weird dynamic where like the kid
would be like, hey, you're Dave and the parents would
be like, no, he's Henry. So you know, yeah, just randomly. Yeah,
(32:32):
Gilmore Girls fans very passionate. Man Like, there's no there's
not like a middle ground of like the Gilmore Girl
like either they're in or they're like, what's you know,
Either they're like I don't know what Gilmore Girls would
like do he's Henry show? You know? Yeah, they are
quite extraordinary. Yeah, so you were a series regular on
that eighties show. Yeah, that was the show that took
(32:54):
me off. Gilmore Girls. Oh really yeah, because, like the
way I remember it well, people know that seventies show,
and the creators of that show were creating a spin off,
and so we let the show, you know, Gilmore Girls,
you know, Amy know that hey he's I mean I
probably went in the audition for that thing like seven
(33:14):
or eight times, and by the time the fifth or
sixth audition came around, we sort of let Gilmore Girls
and they're like, hey, this is turned this might turn
into something, and of course it did, and then so
you know, Amy was like, oh that's too bad. You know,
we had other things planned for Henry. But you know
what Best of Love? Right? Seven auditions? Yeah, because like
(33:35):
they did again, I was sort of new to the
to the city and a lot of the cast were
like who Eddie who, Like where's he from? Blah blah blah.
So you know, the first couple of rounds were just
like these hundreds of people where they just read you.
And then eventually I got to meet the producers and
then you know, you sort of moved.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So it took you, you know, three or four auditions
just to get to the producer level.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yeah, it was like three auditions to get to the producer,
then like two of the producers, and then there's a
studio level, and then then you know, the network level. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Wow, man, I just I got this job so easily.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I had Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
One read Yeah, because it was because Luke was a
guest star in the pilot.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Oh my god. And then they're just like, yeah, this
guy's gonna stick around. I didn't have to get amazing,
and I've been through all that.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I've been through the whole Ringer of Yeah, all the
studio level, network level, you know, it takes right and
you never you're going to get it.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, I've been through. I don't have to go through
that on this. That's that's the best way where you
sort of take the back door. Yeah, exactly, exactly. That's amazing.
Announced in the first meeting.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Listen, this is the only chance you're going to get
to read me, So either get or I'm sailing.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Nice cocky. I remember in the room there was for
Gilmore Girls. It was it was it was it was
the two casting directors of the casting associate who has
now since become a casting director, and then Amy was there,
and then there was another like consultants to the show
who wanted to see if, like I could authentically pass
(35:16):
as like a young Korean American man. Oh really, okay,
I think it was she was like, actually Amy's actual
friend Helen Pie. Is that who it was?
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Now?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Helen Pie. It was probably Helen. Yeah, yeah, they're very
good friends.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
And I have and I have the audition side somewhere
for Gilmore Girls. I was trying to find him before
the podcast, be like what scene did I read for?
But it's floating around in my house somewhere right right.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So you've had a pretty diverse career, really, West World, Beef, sitcoms,
Alex and Katie. You prefer comedy drama?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
What do you like? I think just my personality I
think lends it self to like the multicam. Well, I
just like it as the genre. But as you know,
as you know, as you go through things in your
own life, you kind of want to express it in
different ways, and sometimes you're just feeling like, I want
(36:15):
to do something a little bit more dramatic versus I
feel like, you know, letting loose a little bit on
the silly side. So that was something that was always
important to me to do a variety of different stuff.
Let's create a new character of the multiicam dramas so.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
We don't have to do it over and over and
over again, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
I mean, you still have to do it.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
You still have to repeat your stuff on the multicams,
but they're all unique takes and they're all preserved that way. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I mean. The tricky thing about that is sometimes they
just read write a lot. I mean not sometimes they
all the time they're like, hey, your new line is
this and sort of on the spot you have to deliver.
But some I'm sure some of the hours you had
on Gilmore Girls must have been brutal. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Sometimes, yeah, but I mean that's just that's just TV.
That's yeah, that's the nature of the thing it is.
That's that's the nature of the beast. They they say
they don't pay for to act. They pay you to
wait to wait around.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, right, right right. Any upcoming projects fans should look
out for. Uh yeah, I'm doing a bunch of voiceover
stuff right now. Unfortunately they're sort of riddled with like
I signed my life away with like NDA's you know,
I don't talk about this stuff. I'm like, you know whatever,
but just you know, voiceover stuff I'm doing, you know,
a project with Sony. We're working on a game and
(37:26):
then some an animated series that's gonna come out sometime
whatever they decide to release it.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I am not one to get you to violate India's
new I don't.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Want to get in the middle of that.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, exactly, all right, We're gonna do rapid Fire. You ready,
let's go passing your seatbelts, coffee, your tea coffee.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
How do you take your coffee. Black Children or Yale
Yale Team Dean Jess or Logan Dean Why I it's
it's it's a it's a gut instinct thing where I'm
just like I just like Dean. You know, it's none
of my business. Richard or Emily, Oh, Richard.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Again, none of my business? Favorite season?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Oh one? The introduction to it All one is fantastic?
Are you kidding? Wow? I am being very serious.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
One word to describe Gilmour Girls heart Mmmm, So'syne?
Speaker 1 (38:22):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Uh comfortable?
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Favorite character Henry Laura Lai answer, good answer, most iconic
Gilmore Girls quote.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
I will say I I I rarely laugh out loud,
but I did laugh out loud when Rory said I
you know I love you? You did? I was like heart,
that hit my heart. You know I don't do that
a lot. Yeah. Luke's Diner or Friday night dinner. Oh Lukes.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
It says a lot about you like that. Ni Shan,
you are amazing. Thank you for spending some time with us.
We've heard your ass catching up. All the best to
you and good luck on all your future projects and
please please come back. All right, man, there's more to
unearth here. Okay, thanks for coming on already, Shin, everybody.
(39:18):
Let's give him a round of applause, all right, Bud,
take care, all right, everybody, and also again follow us
(39:54):
on Instagram at I Am all In podcast and email
us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
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