September 22, 2025 • 43 mins
Shelly Cole, aka Madeline, is BACK to recap S2 E21 “Lorelai’s Graduation” with Scott.
Hear why Shelly thinks Lorelai’s biggest accomplishment still leaves her with disappointment, will she ever feel like she’s enough for her parents?
Plus, Shelly makes Scott laugh when she brings up another role that may rival Luke’s character.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Am all in Again.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Hello, that's just you. I am all in again with
Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am All in Again podcast, one
of them productions. iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcasts. We are going
to recap season two, episode twenty one, Lorealized graduation day
with Shelley Cole. Hello, Shelley, how you doing? Thanks for
coming back on.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh I love this.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know everybody knows she is Madeline and Chilton student
Paris Keller's minion. Shelley calls back to recap with Us
season two episode twenty one. We had John recap season
one episode eight earlier, but a lot has changed since then. Okay,
let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Okay. I love coming on this show because I really
I don't watch the episodes, and so when I do
get an opportunity to come on the show, I'm like, Okay,
I'm gonna watch this episode. So I watched it last
night and I took copious notes.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, Okay, good, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I'm gonna do all the talking.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You do all the talking. Synopsis. Lorealize graduating from community
college and Rory convinces her to don the old kap
and gown for the commencement ceremony. Meanwhile, Roy takes a
spontaneous and curious trip to New York City to meet
who who? Did she meet Jess? But on our way home,
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she runs some traffic and could delay her arrival at
the big graduation event directed by Jamie Babbitt, written by
Daniel Peladino. You know lrelized Crammin for that right heat
her finals. She's got a final business school at the
community college. Roy tries to Convincerr the diploma will be
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worth it. Rory wants to invite family and friends and
the graduation ceremony because she's never walked in her high
school ceremony, but Lorlai refuses and doesn't want her parents
there because it'll just hurt them and me. Lorlai explains
her reasoning for not wanting her parents to attend the
ceremony because she feels like she's humulating them while in
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high school. Do you think, Shelley, the reason is good
enough to not have them there this time?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay, so I really have some I have some thoughts
on this. Okay, So what I wrote was I feel
like she didn't want her parents there because it was
I can't tell if she was disappointed in herself or
if she felt like her parents were going to be
disappointed in her. But this just kind of goes back
to the age old riff that happens between the two
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of them. And I love that Rory went behind her
mom's back and just was the peacemaker. I feel like
that's what her role in the family is, at least
during a lot of these beginning episodes, is she becomes
a peacemaker and and and you know, to piggyback on that,
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her dad. When she graduates, her dad gives her this
envelope of money and we presume it's money or it's
a check, and like a dad does at the you know,
graduation or college ceremony.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She says to him, and I rarely hear her call
him daddy, and she says to him, thank you, daddy.
And I feel like he was so pleased with her
reaction because the look on his face when he gave
it to her, and when she says daddy, the look
on his face like almost makes me we don't want
to cry right now, because it was such a daddy
moment and he was like he was so pleased that
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it was a really awesome connection between the two of them.
I really liked that.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, let's move on to Luke and laurel I.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yes, indeed that was awkward.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I mean a little bit. Right, they're still not talking.
She's got she had breakfast at Suki's the beginning of
the episode instead of going to the diner. Right, she's
avoiding him. They run into each other at Doses. I'm sorry,
what is that the.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Only time that you're in that episode?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah? I don't. I don't think I was in it
other than that, I don't know. It was one of
those great episodes where you show up for like one
morning and then you get the rest of it. You
got like ten days off. Yeah, beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, I that was that. That whole interaction at Doses,
like with both Rory and Dean, my god, and then
with and and Luke. It was almost like the two
of them, Lorelai and Ry were very much kind of
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cross like ships crossing in the night with their loves.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It was so awkward for all, like for all four
of those people. I thought that inane thing that they
gave poor Jared to say to make Dean just look
like I'm an idiot and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know, what did he say? They made him sound stupid.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think like she asked a question and I don't
remember specifically, but she asked a question and he just
kind of some dumb reply that really didn't mean anything,
and Roy was just didn't even really listen or respond.
She's like, oh, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You think Deane's looking for a parachute at this point
or she's just gonna jump out of the plane. He
doesn't care without a parachute. It's like, just get me
out of here. Not yet.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I don't think that Dean realizes, uh huh, how checked
out Rory is.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He doesn't even know he's on a skydiving tour, does
he He's not even aware of it. He's up in
the air twenty thousand feet. He don't even he thinks
he's on the ground.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, He's like, I don't think he really like really
is aware of her. Just absolute complacence towards him at
this point. Sad.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It's sad he is something, didn't she leaving her web?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So notable that Luke doesn't even look at Lorelea. One
time I noticed that too.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It was so what do you make of that? I'd
like to know your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Just don't know what to say to her, doesn't know
how to deal with her. He's shut down, it's all
shut down.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I mean, do you feel like he's really like fully
in love with her at this.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Point and he's heartbroken?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah? So what is he doing with those? Feels like
that's how Luke deals with things? Is he just kind
of like shuts down?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah? How do guys deal with that? How do guys
deal with getting a tongue lashings.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
On the guy? But I think you're right. I I
think a lot of guys just shut down.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, it's tough to come back from that. Yeah, it
destroys the ego.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Do you think shes guilty?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Do you think she, Laurla I feels guilty at all
in any way?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean, she's a conscious being. She has to feel
a little bit right in otherwise she'd just be like
an emotional terrorist. Yes, yeah, but I but I think
you know I was watching for her reactions. Did she
notice that I wasn't looking at her? And I think
she did. She just tried to rise above it and
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sort of stay positive and smiling and hopeful that you know,
maybe they're they could reconnect in some way, but that
wasn't happening.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well, I think she's doing the same thing that Luke
is doing, but in the Laurel I way of just
like okay with everything's fine, not at all. And then
she's also got a lot on her plate at this
point with with the graduation that, you know, all of
that stuff, and her fear and maybe insecurity about graduating
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from community college and maybe what hers are on that.
And I think she's she's got a lot going on
emotionally in this My God, she looks gorgeous in this episode.
I was like, whoa, well, she's pretty.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Her hair is right right, And I think that's one
of the reasons Luke couldn't look at her, because it
was just like like too fine, right. He didn't want
to get distracted and get drawnk you know, get the
hooked deeper in Andy's toast, right.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Obviously. I was directed by Jamie babbittat a ton of times, uh,
And I think she actually directed the last episode I
was in the girls in bikinis and boys doing the twist,
and I remember she was hardcore about her one direction.
I only ever got from her was faster, faster, faster, faster.
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They noticed that they everyone was talking like so fast
in the episode. I don't know if it was faster
than normal, but not your character, but the women mostly.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That I didn't allow myself to get caught up in
their pace. Oh god, you gotta hold your ground.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Man, Good for you, you.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Get sucked up, because I used to get sucked up
in that, And it was like, WHOA, Okay, that's not
the character.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
No, because this, this is why we had these very,
very very long days, is having to say all those
words exactly written in these tongue twitters and like faster, faster, faster,
and I'm like, I'm gonna feel like I can't even
talk any faster.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It was quite stressful, Wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It totally stressful?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It was so it's like every day, all day, it's
quite stressful.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I'll tell you this was. I think out of all
the acting jabs I've ever done, I think this one
was the hardest one in terms of like technicality stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Oh, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, technically speaking, it was grueling, honestly, And.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Did you go on other sets on other shows and
they thought that their stuff was difficult? And you're just
like really, yeah, wait, not to be arrogant about it,
but it's like, guys, you seriously you want to you
want to rehearse this really time?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Oh my god, don't we want to show up and
just steal all of this?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Like the scene partner comes out and they're like, you
know what, they just threw two new pages at us.
What are we gonna do?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh no, I remember when Live the would get like
two new pages. You're like, okay, I got this, I
got this, Like oh like, oh we're gonna yeah, oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
At least we have table reads every single episode.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But we stopped doing those.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh not not, I was always I stopped in season four,
so I okay.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, so after that we didn't do table reads.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know. I think I think certain people just
didn't want to do them anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Oh did you like them? I really enjoyed them.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Table reads?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I don't really like them, you know, I don't, but
you know, the writers need them.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah. I thought it was a really fun place to
come together.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The writers really need to hear it, right. I don't
like them because I don't like I don't like making
choices at all that I liked making choices like you know,
day of or right before we do the scene, like
formulating it. But on that show you kind of had
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to hum you had to form something.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Oh yeah, definitely. But your characters apart from like the
emotional stuff that he went through with all my daughter
and you know, all of it, all of it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But but but but the thing is is the the emotionality,
if you want to call it, that was in the
in the dialogue. It was it was mapped out. It
wasn't like you had to You didn't really have to do.
You didn't have to dig deep because the work was
done for you and the words just kind of brought
it up.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's true, I didn't. I didn't never have to dig deep,
but you know, mad was done.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But but you know what I'm you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I think that once once, once Amy and Dan got
that that storytelling of the characters they wrote for those
characters so magically well that that I didn't ever even
I didn't feel like I that was not a hard
part of the job in any way whatsoever. I just
how to say it and what to say. Look, the
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only problem for me was just like I mean on
that that dialogue, that tongue twisting dialogue.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Right, I would say ninety percent of the work was
already done in the writing.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know, I've been on other shows, like there's a
show I'm doing now where it's like they're giving you
ten percent and you got to do ninety percent and
dig deep and go go to that place and it's exhausting.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I was going to just ask you, are you enjoying it?
It a lot?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I mean three years after three years, I'm burnt. You are,
Oh god, Yeah, I mean it's just like it's unsettling. Yeah,
I mean you really gotta. But that's the work. That's
what's required. So that's the work. Yeah, that is required
to do. And that's fine. So it's either very naked
and spare yeah writing, or it's this stuff that's like
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so much meat on the bone, Yeah, where you just
have to nibble in. You're good. Right.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I had to to play the drums for a movie,
and so for three months prior to even filming, I
had to. That was the hardest job, and my character
was through a lot emotionally. That was by far the
hardest job I've ever ever done. Right, Right, But it
was fun.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But you know what, I think, Here's what I think.
Here's what I think. I think for the work that
Lauren had to do, I think she had to go
deep several several, several times per episode, even though the writing,
and I think the writing helped get her there, obviously,
but she had to go deeper than pretty much anybody
in the cast right on a daily basis. So I
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think that's the exhaustion that she was experiencing.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I think Alexis was just overwhelmed with just the
scope of what she'd gotten herself into. But you know, Lauren,
I gotta say I applaud her big time because not
only does she have to spew out like fifty seven
pages of dialogue for a forty two you know, minute
show or whatever it is you know I'm making. Not
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only that, but she also had to bring like a
lot of vulnerability to it with all the different relationships
in her life. So her huh with this one or
this one that you know, has so many different dynamics.
And I mean a hundred percent. Did she ever win
an Emmy for that?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Ridiculously?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, what not? Was she nominated? I gotta get my point.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I don't think so. I think she got a sag
Award nomination or some stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But well, would it have been would she have been
nominated for no Emmys?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, I don't know if she was. Maybe she was nominated.
I don't think she was nominated for Emmys. That was
kind of ridiculous because that was the heaviest lift probably
in the history of television. I mean no, think now
think about You're right, because she's at the center of
all the action. She's got to deal with everybody in
the cast, her daughter.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It was different with every single.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Person, right, every single day, all day. She was nominated
for a Golden Globe. Okay, Jackie says she was nominated.
She wasn't nominated for sagawar Jackie, that was it just
a just a Golden Globe.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, I'm going to tell you this. The one, the
one performance that I think rivals in the history of
television was when you played that episode about in my
sponge Worthy on Seinfeld. I feel like that rivals it
really really. I just happen to wonder upon that the other.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Day, right because on here I am on Seinfeld and
I'm working with all these really inexperienced people who don't
know what they're doing, and I have to you know,
I have to guide them through the scenes. It was
just horrible, actually, that was That was But that's the thing.
You can only pray that if you're like, Okay, if
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you're in a situation where the writing is spare and
you've got to add so much meat to the bone
and you got to dig deep, you can only pray
that your cast is experienced and they understand what it
takes and they respect what it is that you have
to do to go get that stuff, and that they're
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you know, they know how to deal with it, like
even after the fact, because it lingers, it stays around, right,
it just doesn't go away. And if you don't have
a cast that's experienced with that, doing that and then
being around that and knowing how to handle that, you're screwed.
You're just you're alone on an iceberg out in the
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middle the ocean. You're by yourself. The beauty of Gilmore
Girls is everybody was experienced and everybody supported. I think
Lauren got a tremendous amount of support from everybody right
because they understood, we all understood what a heavy lift
this was for her.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Right, absolutely and it was very much. She didn't get
a lot of support, and it was it was it
was like a I don't want to say it was
a dysfunctional family because that that would that's I don't
think it was per se dysfunctional family. I think it
was a very stressed out family that worked together and
understood the hmm, like the scope of what like all
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of these things to together Tree, Chuck, Bob and.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
You know, I'm right right, right right.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Isaac, and and you know everybody who.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Just kind of there was a mutual respect over all departments,
not just cast, but over all departments because everybody was working.
I mean, everybody had a hard job on that on
that set.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well, I think it was in two thousand and three
that we had a whole I don't know if you
guys ever did it again, but we had a whole,
huge cast and crew picture and there were hundreds.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
And hundreds of Yeah. I don't know if you.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Guys ever did it again, but I felt I feel
so blessed that I got to be the part of
I still have that picture too. Yeah, it's crazy, I
mean just hundreds and hundreds of Yeah, it looks like
a where's Waldo? Cartoon, you know what I mean, it's
many people's stuffed to it, tight into you know, into
a picture. It's just but that's I guess My point
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is it takes a huge village, of.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Course, Yeah, it's doing seven years of that. Yeah, just
to imagine how she felt. I mean, just like somebody
saved me.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Didn't you move on to parenthood right after that?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Like yeah, but I don't think it was a big
It wasn't a huge.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Lift, That's what I'm I'm saying further.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Down the call shoot, So it was she didn't she
have to carry the show, which is what she was
probably looking for. Like, man, I don't know if I
want to do this again, you know, not for another
seven years.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Ensemble there where she's right carrying a show on her back. Yeah,
you know, you can have the show without Rory. Not really,
but you can if you had to. You cannot have
the show without lorale I at all.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think it's tough either way.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I did do but if you had to take one
out for like, you know, an episode, you can't take Orlin.
I don't think you can do that.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I don't know, Like she adopts Jean or Dean or something,
and that's like she has a son.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Shut up? All right? Okay. I wanted to also mention
Seth McFarland.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Episode It's funny, And I looked it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Up on IMDb last night, and I think it was
like one of his first credits ever. And and I
looked on and he's in a bas Lureman film and
yeahs or no, he makes a line at that. But
on a one episode of Will and Grace right around
the same time, his credit was pencil sharpener.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
All right. Rory shows up at Emily's unplanned visit. They
don't mind, and they and she invites Richard and Lady
Laura or I'm sorry. Rory shows up and she invites
them to the graduation ceremony. Right, But that's Rory going
behind her mom's back because she didn't want her to
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do it. And it's like, Ry does this, Rory does
this a lot done, she goes behind her mother's back.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Does it ever? Has it ever been a major failure
or does it always seem to work out? What do
you think?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
What in this show with Rory?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
It just all the time that she's kind of gone
behind her mom's back too.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
But she's doing what a teenager, does you know, they
they break stuff and then you got to fix it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I feel like in this episode, for sure, it worked
out very much in in louralized favor because there was
so much unspoken between her and her mom and dad
that someone had to bridge that gap. If not, then
he wouldn't have Richard wouldn't have had that experience.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You know, I know it was really sad. You know,
they they were you know, Emily was humiliated. They were just.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They were humiliated. The graduation well.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, they you know, Emily was moved because you know,
it should have been Yale. It should have been this,
It should have been that. Everything that Laura like does,
every accomplishment that she tries to celebrate posts Rory. Yeah,
her parents make her feel that she just doesn't measure
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up now, does she? What could have been? And that's
their role on the show. That's their function, That's why
they're there. You know.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I feel, I feel, I truly feel.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That they can't help themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But I feel like there are times when when they
show like a lot of like kindness to her. I
feel like a lot, But I think there are times
when they look put that crop aside and they say
good job. You know. I feel like that, Shelley.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
The more I watch this show, yeah, the more I'm
coming to the realization that loral I has every right
to just say to her parents, get off your freaking
high horse and deal. This is who I am. This
is reality, absolutely, you know what I mean. It's like
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it's just grading sometimes to say it, but it's very
well written, it's very funny. It has to be. Conflict
is the soul of comedy, you know, it's just brilliant stuff. Yeah,
what I mean, you know, real world it's like, dude,
but in.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Reality that is that Those are the kind of relationships
we have oftentimes with parents or people that are guiding us.
Is I don't I'm not enough? And I think everyone
in some way with someone in their life struggles with that. Unfortunately,
for Loreli started at home when she was just young,
not even nearly even adult, scared to do anything, and
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to just have complete, like no emotional support from her
parents at an early age when you really like she
doesn't even know how to process this stuff. That's that
to me is the tragedy.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I love people or artists who come from that background
abuse and they turn their lives and their relationships and
their art into anything other than anger. Right, they turn,
they make something beautiful, They have beautiful relationship. That to
me is the win. That's that's wonderful. And that's what
she does. It's humor and.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And and she does exactly the opposite with Rory. She
lifts Rory up. She You know, that barrier between friend
and mom is gray a lot of times, and sometimes
it's not gray at all.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But I really she became. She became the mother she
never had and the father that.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I couldn't have said it any better. That's perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, let's talk about probably the most beloved and delightful
character in the entire Opus. It's Christopher.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
God, that's fun. I thought you were gonna say Sukie
because she's my favorite character. Yes, let's discuss discuss happy face.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That Jebby Cheeks shows up and his shirt so he's
wearing a shirt. You ever noticed that he's got a
shirt on Christopher and his shirt still shirt?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
My note was Christopher, dude, too little, too late with
the pearl. That was great job that suchasm, Christopher. What
do you got?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Really? That's all you got for Christopher?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's how little I appreciate christ this is a bark
free zone, little girl.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Do you think way a minute, you know, a question
just popped into my head. Do you think that Rory
is delusional that she can have that this guy is
worth it at all?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I absolutely do. But that's what But that's.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
The heartbreaking part about it, right, is that she's so
hopeful and still so so you know, a little bit
needy of that.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But again, that is a that's universal, I think people.
I hate to genderize this, but I do feel like
girls really need a strong father, and they want a
strong father, and very often we don't get them, and
and it makes us yearn for it more. And I
feel like there's a there's a what's a blinder in
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that whole you knowation I mean? And plus he didn't
do it, you know what he did. He did in
a way, he didn't do it directly to her, but
then he just disappeared, you know, and then showed back
up when she's all grown up and all put together,
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you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
For him, it's like it's either nothing or it's too much.
He's either over the top or he's not even present.
It's just he's always making up.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's just God with you. I am actually really surprised
that she goes back to him for any reason.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Why does she deal with this bozo at all? No,
what's happening?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I don't know. I first love, I guess, and I
don't know. But I think that Christian was a fairly
unpopular character universally speaking.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Do you think do you think that this is causing
do you do? You? Okay, what do you think she
should have done in the real world? Laurla cut him
out over their lives completely because he just keeps he
keeps disappointing that. Yeah, he keeps hurting them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I don't think that that's her decision entirely. I think
that there is a relationship between Rory and Christopher. I'm
not saying it's a good one. I'm just saying that
I think ultimately Rory does get to decide if she
wants to have a relationship with her father, and I
think that I think that laurel ies just kind of.
(28:24):
I think he's always scrambled her brain in a not
in good way, and I think she does her best
wade through those murky waters. What do you think do
you think that she should have cut him out? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You do?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah?
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I don't need it, sorry, but I mean, look, it's
there for a reason, right. It provides what it's supposed to.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well, I think what it does is really really puts
a spotlight on Luke the spotlighted.
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Speaker 1 (30:04):
All right, let's go to New York. Okay, you want
to go to New.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
York, let's go. I love that the Pixies were playing
and that song. I love that they chose that song.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Mm hmmmm, sow uncharacteristic for Rory. She skips school, gets
on a bus to the Big Apple. Yeah, go see
you know, the the runner up in the Jack Kerouac
Act to Like contest.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Although I really, I really did like Jess in this
I like to Jess in this episode. I don't like
what he encouraged her to do, but in a way,
I kind of feel like she needed to do that.
This is a this is the kind of decision she's
never made before to just get on a bus and
go to New York City by herself at what's six seven,
(30:56):
sixteen years old? Like that?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
All those Northeast kids, man, they grow up in the suburbs.
They want to go to New York. Going to New
York's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Did you do you think it was? Okay? If you
were her dad, would you have said, well, how would
you have responded.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
If I were the father in that relationship, yeah, yeah,
the biological father.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
And she skipped school to go see this guy in
New York and did, and.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
In essence, that's a pretty dangerous like choice.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, we definitely have a talk.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I'm on the fence about that, But I guess I
I'm glad she did because I feel like she's been
such a good girl that she needed to do something brave.
That's my opinion. I feel I feel it was brave.
I feel it was irresponsible.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Well, the thing is, she didn't tell anybody where she
was going.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
That's that's so. Yeah, I'm going to ground her.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
M your phone these days, I learned if you take
that phone, man, that's the biggest consequence in their lives.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Look, the most terrifying thing for a parent is not
knowing where your kid is. Yeah, and that's you know,
you don't you don't put your parents do that.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So so so she has done that, And what do
you think, how do you think this develops her relationship
with with Jess. Obviously you did a lot to want
to make that decision to go to New York.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
You know, it's supposed to be a goodbye. You never
said goodbye, so he says goodbye, right, yeah, he is
that permanent no, obviously, So as they say on the
Hallmark channel, the heart calls, you know, right, it does.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Indeed, the heart does.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
The heart calls. And guess what, you know, she's picking
up the phone and saying hello, I'll be right.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I don't know. Trailways is a bus.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
To Graham, Graham, why did you just ask ry as
she gets on the bus, why did you come here? Duh?
Why do you think?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I mean, come on, dude, I think I think he knew,
but he wanted to hear her say it. You know,
when we when we need that confirmation or that affirmation
from from someone.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I was curious, if you're going to change your clothes,
you can watch them.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I can smell you from from Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
It's like whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, So they are record shopping, they hang out, they
do that stuff. She gets back on the bus and
he says goodbye, and then she gets stuck.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Mm hmm. You know he did. He did ask Rory
how Luke was so, And that's really the only one
of the only times we see him caring about somebody
else besides you. Know obviously Rory. Yeah, he's that typical
hurt abused guy. Yeah, teen who can he can only
open up to one person and that's the object of
(34:07):
his desire. Yeah, everybody else is the enemy taking away
her attention, right, It's that. It's that mentality. He's he's
a he's a prototype. Yeah, it's a psychological prototype.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So yeah, absolutely that that, you know, the rebel without
a cause and uh kind of guy. That God, I
went through that phase when I was younger, and did
you Thank god I was when I was younger, when
I when I passed through that like bad guy phase,
because it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
So in high school, what did they vote in the yearbook?
What was your most likely to?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
What? Oh? My, my, my, like they just called me
cosmic Shelley. That was my moniker or whatever. In the
Europe you can put a little Madeline in there and
you could use your message.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Oh my god, that's great.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Did you have a most likely to?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I was most likely to join the s LA, that's
the Cymbionese Liberation Army and uh, I'm very proud of that. Actually,
all right, let's go to the graduation ceremony and there
we are with Seth Seth McFarlane the communist, hating the
wealthy with his and they had an hysterical dynamic. Yeah,
(35:31):
they hated each other, they loved each other, they told
each other to die. It's just so funny, so great. Yeah,
I like that, And it made me wonder how much
an audience could could tolerate that, maybe through an entire episode,
or if they were the lead this series, because it's
so great. But you probably tire of it. F but
(35:53):
I mean, really, just brilliant writing, just funny stuff, all right. So,
so Laurel I gets there early. Her mother's there setting
up camera equipment. She's horrified by this. She meets Seth McFarlane,
the the raging communist. Uh, and Rory misses the graduation
(36:13):
because her bus is you know, there's a there's an
accident on the New York Thruway.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Okay, I don't want to overstate this, but I do
feel like Lorelized reaction to Rory not being there.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Oh God, I agree, I agree with you. I agree
with you. God, I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I want to catch it. I felt like it was.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
A little childish, Yes, I.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Agree, Yeah, howdy you know, and granted, Yeah, she was
definitely had a lot going on and stuff, but I
was I was sort of taking it back. I was
always watching that reaction going. I don't remember her being
this like powdy, you know, like not temper chanterm, but
(37:01):
like poudy, little childish.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Girl before she had to from an acting point of
view from it, she had to to give Rory runway
for her speech.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, yes, of course, right.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
So that she could be you know.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one that that
had that reaction to it. Like I said, I feel
like anyway, yeah, I feel like I know what you mean,
what it is. It is what it is. So but
but okay, So, if Rory had been there, would she
have had that experience? Would her heart have been vulnerable
(37:40):
enough to have that experience with her dad? I feel
like the writing is brilliant, and I feel like there's
a very important purpose for Rory not being there, as
if Ory had been there, I don't know that she would,
Laura I would have been as open to the experience
that she had with her, especially her dad. So again,
(38:03):
great writing.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Again, it's like what's not written r is the genius
of it. What's not there?
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And then the last thing I wrote was that, like,
it feels like Laurla I really guilted Rory for not
being there, and then Rory starts spiraling, and then she
feels horrible at herself because she sat on the bus
for hours, and then there's all of this guilt and
guilt and guilt and Rory when she spirals, she just
spy rules and uh so, yeah, she totally spiraled, and
(38:38):
then they finally had their talk m h. And it's
kind of like it was kind of it's kind of
like a dot dot dot at the end of the episode.
I feel like it was kind of left a little open, you.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Know, Shelly, Let's talk about when Rory tells her mother
that Jess's phone call did something to her and that
she's she's sick and she's ill and she needs help.
And this is teenage melodrama, and you think she's genuinely
overwhelmed or she's just confused by her feelings. I mean,
this is like it's typical teenage trauma, right.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, I okay, I think what's going on with her?
And I do. I am with teenagers a lot, so
I don't really a lot of their drama. I think
what's going on with Rory in that because that I
feel like that's part of the spiral, is that she is,
first of all, she's feeling guilty about Secondly, I also
(39:34):
think that she's feeling I don't know if guilt is
the right word for it, but she knows Jess is
like a bad boy, and she knows that her mom
doesn't really approve of him. So I feel I feel
like she doesn't know what to do with her emotions
in regards to to Jess because she feels very drawn
(39:55):
to him. She knows that or she's been told and
she feels like the counterpoint that it's wrong. And I
feel like that's very very rough emotional terrain to navigate
as a sixteen year old kid who is always trying
to do the right thing. And it feels that she's
(40:15):
just very very confused and lost in all of that stuff.
And I think that's why she said those words to
her mom.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
That's why that's got to keep her on the tightrope,
can't It's easy for them to fall off, right, That's
that's the fear, all right, Well, that's it, all right?
He's like, is she in denial? I know, she says
I love Dean, but I love Dean, right, Mom. You
know it's like I don't think.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
So, no, no, that is too.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Love as a friend, love as a person, you know, trust.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
She's trying to say. I think she's saying that over
and over again because she's trying to convince herself of it,
because he's the right choice. But she doesn't. She doesn't
love Deane, and we know that when she was completely
tuned out to him, you know, when he was talking
to her, when they were walking on the street. She
was just tuned out. Her brain was somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
And we know, yeah, she's not getting the dopamine hits
from Dan.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
She she knows what she wants, but she just feels
too guilty to let herself have it.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So Shelly, what'd you think of this episode overall?
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I don't think that it was specifically like a vastly
entertaining episode in terms of, like, you know, I walked
away feeling like, oh that's a little more girls always
feel good. But I feel like it was a very
important episode of lauralized relationship with herself, Rory's relationship with herself,
(41:40):
larealized relationship, you know, with Rory, and then you know,
the parents and all that stuff. I think it was
a very important establishing, you know, episode that happens. Those
are the rough like the bumps in life, and I
feel like this was a bumps in life episode, right, it.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Was the purpose maybe the purpose of the episode was
to make us feel uncomfortable and unsettled so that the
a La Las can come back and take us away
from heaven.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Right yeah, sure, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Right, good deal. All right, we're gonna wrap this up,
Shelley call scuote observations from Cosmic Shelley.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yoh, I love it. Let's do that some more.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am All in Again podcast, one
of them productions. iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcasts. We are going
to recap season two, episode twenty one, Lorealized graduation day
with Shelley Cole. Hello, Shelley, how you doing? Thanks for
coming back on.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Oh I love this.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
You know everybody knows she is Madeline and Chilton student
Paris Keller's minion. Shelley calls back to recap with Us
season two episode twenty one. We had John recap season
one episode eight earlier, but a lot has changed since then. Okay,
let's get into this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Okay. I love coming on this show because I really
I don't watch the episodes, and so when I do
get an opportunity to come on the show, I'm like, Okay,
I'm gonna watch this episode. So I watched it last
night and I took copious notes.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Okay, Okay, good, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I'm gonna do all the talking.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
You do all the talking. Synopsis. Lorealize graduating from community
college and Rory convinces her to don the old kap
and gown for the commencement ceremony. Meanwhile, Roy takes a
spontaneous and curious trip to New York City to meet
who who? Did she meet Jess? But on our way home,
(01:45):
she runs some traffic and could delay her arrival at
the big graduation event directed by Jamie Babbitt, written by
Daniel Peladino. You know lrelized Crammin for that right heat
her finals. She's got a final business school at the
community college. Roy tries to Convincerr the diploma will be
(02:09):
worth it. Rory wants to invite family and friends and
the graduation ceremony because she's never walked in her high
school ceremony, but Lorlai refuses and doesn't want her parents
there because it'll just hurt them and me. Lorlai explains
her reasoning for not wanting her parents to attend the
ceremony because she feels like she's humulating them while in
(02:29):
high school. Do you think, Shelley, the reason is good
enough to not have them there this time?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay, so I really have some I have some thoughts
on this. Okay, So what I wrote was I feel
like she didn't want her parents there because it was
I can't tell if she was disappointed in herself or
if she felt like her parents were going to be
disappointed in her. But this just kind of goes back
to the age old riff that happens between the two
(02:58):
of them. And I love that Rory went behind her
mom's back and just was the peacemaker. I feel like
that's what her role in the family is, at least
during a lot of these beginning episodes, is she becomes
a peacemaker and and and you know, to piggyback on that,
(03:21):
her dad. When she graduates, her dad gives her this
envelope of money and we presume it's money or it's
a check, and like a dad does at the you know,
graduation or college ceremony.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
And.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
She says to him, and I rarely hear her call
him daddy, and she says to him, thank you, daddy.
And I feel like he was so pleased with her
reaction because the look on his face when he gave
it to her, and when she says daddy, the look
on his face like almost makes me we don't want
to cry right now, because it was such a daddy
moment and he was like he was so pleased that
(04:02):
it was a really awesome connection between the two of them.
I really liked that.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay, let's move on to Luke and laurel I.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yes, indeed that was awkward.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I mean a little bit. Right, they're still not talking.
She's got she had breakfast at Suki's the beginning of
the episode instead of going to the diner. Right, she's
avoiding him. They run into each other at Doses. I'm sorry,
what is that the.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Only time that you're in that episode?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah? I don't. I don't think I was in it
other than that, I don't know. It was one of
those great episodes where you show up for like one
morning and then you get the rest of it. You
got like ten days off. Yeah, beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, I that was that. That whole interaction at Doses,
like with both Rory and Dean, my god, and then
with and and Luke. It was almost like the two
of them, Lorelai and Ry were very much kind of
(05:10):
cross like ships crossing in the night with their loves.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It was so awkward for all, like for all four
of those people. I thought that inane thing that they
gave poor Jared to say to make Dean just look
like I'm an idiot and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
You know, what did he say? They made him sound stupid.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
I think like she asked a question and I don't
remember specifically, but she asked a question and he just
kind of some dumb reply that really didn't mean anything,
and Roy was just didn't even really listen or respond.
She's like, oh, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
You think Deane's looking for a parachute at this point
or she's just gonna jump out of the plane. He
doesn't care without a parachute. It's like, just get me
out of here. Not yet.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I don't think that Dean realizes, uh huh, how checked
out Rory is.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
He doesn't even know he's on a skydiving tour, does
he He's not even aware of it. He's up in
the air twenty thousand feet. He don't even he thinks
he's on the ground.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, He's like, I don't think he really like really
is aware of her. Just absolute complacence towards him at
this point. Sad.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
It's sad he is something, didn't she leaving her web?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So notable that Luke doesn't even look at Lorelea. One
time I noticed that too.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
It was so what do you make of that? I'd
like to know your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Just don't know what to say to her, doesn't know
how to deal with her. He's shut down, it's all
shut down.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I mean, do you feel like he's really like fully
in love with her at this.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Point and he's heartbroken?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Yeah? So what is he doing with those? Feels like
that's how Luke deals with things? Is he just kind
of like shuts down?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah? How do guys deal with that? How do guys
deal with getting a tongue lashings.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
On the guy? But I think you're right. I I
think a lot of guys just shut down.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah, it's tough to come back from that. Yeah, it
destroys the ego.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Do you think shes guilty?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Huh?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Do you think she, Laurla I feels guilty at all
in any way?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I mean, she's a conscious being. She has to feel
a little bit right in otherwise she'd just be like
an emotional terrorist. Yes, yeah, but I but I think
you know I was watching for her reactions. Did she
notice that I wasn't looking at her? And I think
she did. She just tried to rise above it and
(07:41):
sort of stay positive and smiling and hopeful that you know,
maybe they're they could reconnect in some way, but that
wasn't happening.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Well, I think she's doing the same thing that Luke
is doing, but in the Laurel I way of just
like okay with everything's fine, not at all. And then
she's also got a lot on her plate at this
point with with the graduation that, you know, all of
that stuff, and her fear and maybe insecurity about graduating
(08:09):
from community college and maybe what hers are on that.
And I think she's she's got a lot going on
emotionally in this My God, she looks gorgeous in this episode.
I was like, whoa, well, she's pretty.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Her hair is right right, And I think that's one
of the reasons Luke couldn't look at her, because it
was just like like too fine, right. He didn't want
to get distracted and get drawnk you know, get the
hooked deeper in Andy's toast, right.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Obviously. I was directed by Jamie babbittat a ton of times, uh,
And I think she actually directed the last episode I
was in the girls in bikinis and boys doing the twist,
and I remember she was hardcore about her one direction.
I only ever got from her was faster, faster, faster, faster.
(09:12):
They noticed that they everyone was talking like so fast
in the episode. I don't know if it was faster
than normal, but not your character, but the women mostly.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
That I didn't allow myself to get caught up in
their pace. Oh god, you gotta hold your ground.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Man, Good for you, you.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Get sucked up, because I used to get sucked up
in that, And it was like, WHOA, Okay, that's not
the character.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
No, because this, this is why we had these very,
very very long days, is having to say all those
words exactly written in these tongue twitters and like faster, faster, faster,
and I'm like, I'm gonna feel like I can't even
talk any faster.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It was quite stressful, Wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
It totally stressful?
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It was so it's like every day, all day, it's
quite stressful.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I'll tell you this was. I think out of all
the acting jabs I've ever done, I think this one
was the hardest one in terms of like technicality stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Oh, no question about it.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, technically speaking, it was grueling, honestly, And.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Did you go on other sets on other shows and
they thought that their stuff was difficult? And you're just
like really, yeah, wait, not to be arrogant about it,
but it's like, guys, you seriously you want to you
want to rehearse this really time?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Oh my god, don't we want to show up and
just steal all of this?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Like the scene partner comes out and they're like, you
know what, they just threw two new pages at us.
What are we gonna do?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Oh no, I remember when Live the would get like
two new pages. You're like, okay, I got this, I
got this, Like oh like, oh we're gonna yeah, oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
At least we have table reads every single episode.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But we stopped doing those.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Oh not not, I was always I stopped in season four,
so I okay.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, so after that we didn't do table reads.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know. I think I think certain people just
didn't want to do them anymore.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Oh did you like them? I really enjoyed them.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Table reads?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I don't really like them, you know, I don't, but
you know, the writers need them.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah. I thought it was a really fun place to
come together.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
The writers really need to hear it, right. I don't
like them because I don't like I don't like making
choices at all that I liked making choices like you know,
day of or right before we do the scene, like
formulating it. But on that show you kind of had
(11:56):
to hum you had to form something.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Oh yeah, definitely. But your characters apart from like the
emotional stuff that he went through with all my daughter
and you know, all of it, all of it.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But but but but the thing is is the the emotionality,
if you want to call it, that was in the
in the dialogue. It was it was mapped out. It
wasn't like you had to You didn't really have to do.
You didn't have to dig deep because the work was
done for you and the words just kind of brought
it up.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's true, I didn't. I didn't never have to dig deep,
but you know, mad was done.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
But but you know what I'm you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I think that once once, once Amy and Dan got
that that storytelling of the characters they wrote for those
characters so magically well that that I didn't ever even
I didn't feel like I that was not a hard
part of the job in any way whatsoever. I just
how to say it and what to say. Look, the
(13:01):
only problem for me was just like I mean on
that that dialogue, that tongue twisting dialogue.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Right, I would say ninety percent of the work was
already done in the writing.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
You know, I've been on other shows, like there's a
show I'm doing now where it's like they're giving you
ten percent and you got to do ninety percent and
dig deep and go go to that place and it's exhausting.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I was going to just ask you, are you enjoying it?
It a lot?
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I mean three years after three years, I'm burnt. You are,
Oh god, Yeah, I mean it's just like it's unsettling. Yeah,
I mean you really gotta. But that's the work. That's
what's required. So that's the work. Yeah, that is required
to do. And that's fine. So it's either very naked
and spare yeah writing, or it's this stuff that's like
(13:53):
so much meat on the bone, Yeah, where you just
have to nibble in. You're good. Right.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I had to to play the drums for a movie,
and so for three months prior to even filming, I
had to. That was the hardest job, and my character
was through a lot emotionally. That was by far the
hardest job I've ever ever done. Right, Right, But it
was fun.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
But you know what, I think, Here's what I think.
Here's what I think. I think for the work that
Lauren had to do, I think she had to go
deep several several, several times per episode, even though the writing,
and I think the writing helped get her there, obviously,
but she had to go deeper than pretty much anybody
in the cast right on a daily basis. So I
(14:39):
think that's the exhaustion that she was experiencing.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I think Alexis was just overwhelmed with just the
scope of what she'd gotten herself into. But you know, Lauren,
I gotta say I applaud her big time because not
only does she have to spew out like fifty seven
pages of dialogue for a forty two you know, minute
show or whatever it is you know I'm making. Not
(15:05):
only that, but she also had to bring like a
lot of vulnerability to it with all the different relationships
in her life. So her huh with this one or
this one that you know, has so many different dynamics.
And I mean a hundred percent. Did she ever win
an Emmy for that?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Ridiculously?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, what not? Was she nominated? I gotta get my point.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I don't think so. I think she got a sag
Award nomination or some stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
But well, would it have been would she have been
nominated for no Emmys?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
No, I don't know if she was. Maybe she was nominated.
I don't think she was nominated for Emmys. That was
kind of ridiculous because that was the heaviest lift probably
in the history of television. I mean no, think now
think about You're right, because she's at the center of
all the action. She's got to deal with everybody in
the cast, her daughter.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
It was different with every single.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Person, right, every single day, all day. She was nominated
for a Golden Globe. Okay, Jackie says she was nominated.
She wasn't nominated for sagawar Jackie, that was it just
a just a Golden Globe.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, I'm going to tell you this. The one, the
one performance that I think rivals in the history of
television was when you played that episode about in my
sponge Worthy on Seinfeld. I feel like that rivals it
really really. I just happen to wonder upon that the other.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Day, right because on here I am on Seinfeld and
I'm working with all these really inexperienced people who don't
know what they're doing, and I have to you know,
I have to guide them through the scenes. It was
just horrible, actually, that was That was But that's the thing.
You can only pray that if you're like, Okay, if
(16:53):
you're in a situation where the writing is spare and
you've got to add so much meat to the bone
and you got to dig deep, you can only pray
that your cast is experienced and they understand what it
takes and they respect what it is that you have
to do to go get that stuff, and that they're
(17:16):
you know, they know how to deal with it, like
even after the fact, because it lingers, it stays around, right,
it just doesn't go away. And if you don't have
a cast that's experienced with that, doing that and then
being around that and knowing how to handle that, you're screwed.
You're just you're alone on an iceberg out in the
(17:37):
middle the ocean. You're by yourself. The beauty of Gilmore
Girls is everybody was experienced and everybody supported. I think
Lauren got a tremendous amount of support from everybody right
because they understood, we all understood what a heavy lift
this was for her.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Right, absolutely and it was very much. She didn't get
a lot of support, and it was it was it
was like a I don't want to say it was
a dysfunctional family because that that would that's I don't
think it was per se dysfunctional family. I think it
was a very stressed out family that worked together and
understood the hmm, like the scope of what like all
(18:17):
of these things to together Tree, Chuck, Bob and.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
You know, I'm right right, right right.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Isaac, and and you know everybody who.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Just kind of there was a mutual respect over all departments,
not just cast, but over all departments because everybody was working.
I mean, everybody had a hard job on that on
that set.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well, I think it was in two thousand and three
that we had a whole I don't know if you
guys ever did it again, but we had a whole,
huge cast and crew picture and there were hundreds.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
And hundreds of Yeah. I don't know if you.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Guys ever did it again, but I felt I feel
so blessed that I got to be the part of
I still have that picture too. Yeah, it's crazy, I
mean just hundreds and hundreds of Yeah, it looks like
a where's Waldo? Cartoon, you know what I mean, it's
many people's stuffed to it, tight into you know, into
a picture. It's just but that's I guess My point
(19:12):
is it takes a huge village, of.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Course, Yeah, it's doing seven years of that. Yeah, just
to imagine how she felt. I mean, just like somebody
saved me.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Didn't you move on to parenthood right after that?
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Like yeah, but I don't think it was a big
It wasn't a huge.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Lift, That's what I'm I'm saying further.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Down the call shoot, So it was she didn't she
have to carry the show, which is what she was
probably looking for. Like, man, I don't know if I
want to do this again, you know, not for another
seven years.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Ensemble there where she's right carrying a show on her back. Yeah,
you know, you can have the show without Rory. Not really,
but you can if you had to. You cannot have
the show without lorale I at all.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think it's tough either way.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I did do but if you had to take one
out for like, you know, an episode, you can't take Orlin.
I don't think you can do that.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I don't know, Like she adopts Jean or Dean or something,
and that's like she has a son.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Shut up? All right? Okay. I wanted to also mention
Seth McFarland.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Episode It's funny, And I looked it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Up on IMDb last night, and I think it was
like one of his first credits ever. And and I
looked on and he's in a bas Lureman film and
yeahs or no, he makes a line at that. But
on a one episode of Will and Grace right around
the same time, his credit was pencil sharpener.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
All right. Rory shows up at Emily's unplanned visit. They
don't mind, and they and she invites Richard and Lady
Laura or I'm sorry. Rory shows up and she invites
them to the graduation ceremony. Right, But that's Rory going
behind her mom's back because she didn't want her to
(21:12):
do it. And it's like, Ry does this, Rory does
this a lot done, she goes behind her mother's back.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Does it ever? Has it ever been a major failure
or does it always seem to work out? What do
you think?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
What in this show with Rory?
Speaker 2 (21:32):
It just all the time that she's kind of gone
behind her mom's back too.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
But she's doing what a teenager, does you know, they
they break stuff and then you got to fix it.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I feel like in this episode, for sure, it worked
out very much in in louralized favor because there was
so much unspoken between her and her mom and dad
that someone had to bridge that gap. If not, then
he wouldn't have Richard wouldn't have had that experience.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
You know, I know it was really sad. You know,
they they were you know, Emily was humiliated. They were just.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
They were humiliated. The graduation well.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, they you know, Emily was moved because you know,
it should have been Yale. It should have been this,
It should have been that. Everything that Laura like does,
every accomplishment that she tries to celebrate posts Rory. Yeah,
her parents make her feel that she just doesn't measure
(22:35):
up now, does she? What could have been? And that's
their role on the show. That's their function, That's why
they're there. You know.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I feel, I feel, I truly feel.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
That they can't help themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
But I feel like there are times when when they
show like a lot of like kindness to her. I
feel like a lot, But I think there are times
when they look put that crop aside and they say
good job. You know. I feel like that, Shelley.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
The more I watch this show, yeah, the more I'm
coming to the realization that loral I has every right
to just say to her parents, get off your freaking
high horse and deal. This is who I am. This
is reality, absolutely, you know what I mean. It's like
(23:31):
it's just grading sometimes to say it, but it's very
well written, it's very funny. It has to be. Conflict
is the soul of comedy, you know, it's just brilliant stuff. Yeah,
what I mean, you know, real world it's like, dude,
but in.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Reality that is that Those are the kind of relationships
we have oftentimes with parents or people that are guiding us.
Is I don't I'm not enough? And I think everyone
in some way with someone in their life struggles with that. Unfortunately,
for Loreli started at home when she was just young,
not even nearly even adult, scared to do anything, and
(24:14):
to just have complete, like no emotional support from her
parents at an early age when you really like she
doesn't even know how to process this stuff. That's that
to me is the tragedy.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I love people or artists who come from that background
abuse and they turn their lives and their relationships and
their art into anything other than anger. Right, they turn,
they make something beautiful, They have beautiful relationship. That to
me is the win. That's that's wonderful. And that's what
she does. It's humor and.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
And and she does exactly the opposite with Rory. She
lifts Rory up. She You know, that barrier between friend
and mom is gray a lot of times, and sometimes
it's not gray at all.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But I really she became. She became the mother she
never had and the father that.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I couldn't have said it any better. That's perfect.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, let's talk about probably the most beloved and delightful
character in the entire Opus. It's Christopher.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
God, that's fun. I thought you were gonna say Sukie
because she's my favorite character. Yes, let's discuss discuss happy face.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That Jebby Cheeks shows up and his shirt so he's
wearing a shirt. You ever noticed that he's got a
shirt on Christopher and his shirt still shirt?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
My note was Christopher, dude, too little, too late with
the pearl. That was great job that suchasm, Christopher. What
do you got?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Really? That's all you got for Christopher?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
That's how little I appreciate christ this is a bark
free zone, little girl.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Do you think way a minute, you know, a question
just popped into my head. Do you think that Rory
is delusional that she can have that this guy is
worth it at all?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I absolutely do. But that's what But that's.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
The heartbreaking part about it, right, is that she's so
hopeful and still so so you know, a little bit
needy of that.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But again, that is a that's universal, I think people.
I hate to genderize this, but I do feel like
girls really need a strong father, and they want a
strong father, and very often we don't get them, and
and it makes us yearn for it more. And I
feel like there's a there's a what's a blinder in
(26:56):
that whole you knowation I mean? And plus he didn't
do it, you know what he did. He did in
a way, he didn't do it directly to her, but
then he just disappeared, you know, and then showed back
up when she's all grown up and all put together,
(27:16):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
For him, it's like it's either nothing or it's too much.
He's either over the top or he's not even present.
It's just he's always making up.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
It's just God with you. I am actually really surprised
that she goes back to him for any reason.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Why does she deal with this bozo at all? No,
what's happening?
Speaker 2 (27:38):
I don't know. I first love, I guess, and I
don't know. But I think that Christian was a fairly
unpopular character universally speaking.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Do you think do you think that this is causing
do you do? You? Okay, what do you think she
should have done in the real world? Laurla cut him
out over their lives completely because he just keeps he
keeps disappointing that. Yeah, he keeps hurting them.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I don't think that that's her decision entirely. I think
that there is a relationship between Rory and Christopher. I'm
not saying it's a good one. I'm just saying that
I think ultimately Rory does get to decide if she
wants to have a relationship with her father, and I
think that I think that laurel ies just kind of.
(28:24):
I think he's always scrambled her brain in a not
in good way, and I think she does her best
wade through those murky waters. What do you think do
you think that she should have cut him out? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You do?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I don't need it, sorry, but I mean, look, it's
there for a reason, right. It provides what it's supposed to.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Well, I think what it does is really really puts
a spotlight on Luke the spotlighted.
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Speaker 1 (30:04):
All right, let's go to New York. Okay, you want
to go to New.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
York, let's go. I love that the Pixies were playing
and that song. I love that they chose that song.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Mm hmmmm, sow uncharacteristic for Rory. She skips school, gets
on a bus to the Big Apple. Yeah, go see
you know, the the runner up in the Jack Kerouac
Act to Like contest.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Although I really, I really did like Jess in this
I like to Jess in this episode. I don't like
what he encouraged her to do, but in a way,
I kind of feel like she needed to do that.
This is a this is the kind of decision she's
never made before to just get on a bus and
go to New York City by herself at what's six seven,
(30:56):
sixteen years old? Like that?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
All those Northeast kids, man, they grow up in the suburbs.
They want to go to New York. Going to New
York's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Did you do you think it was? Okay? If you
were her dad, would you have said, well, how would
you have responded.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
If I were the father in that relationship, yeah, yeah,
the biological father.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
And she skipped school to go see this guy in
New York and did, and.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
In essence, that's a pretty dangerous like choice.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Yeah, we definitely have a talk.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I'm on the fence about that, But I guess I
I'm glad she did because I feel like she's been
such a good girl that she needed to do something brave.
That's my opinion. I feel I feel it was brave.
I feel it was irresponsible.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Well, the thing is, she didn't tell anybody where she
was going.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
That's that's so. Yeah, I'm going to ground her.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
M your phone these days, I learned if you take
that phone, man, that's the biggest consequence in their lives.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Look, the most terrifying thing for a parent is not
knowing where your kid is. Yeah, and that's you know,
you don't you don't put your parents do that.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
So so so she has done that, And what do
you think, how do you think this develops her relationship
with with Jess. Obviously you did a lot to want
to make that decision to go to New York.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
You know, it's supposed to be a goodbye. You never
said goodbye, so he says goodbye, right, yeah, he is
that permanent no, obviously, So as they say on the
Hallmark channel, the heart calls, you know, right, it does.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Indeed, the heart does.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
The heart calls. And guess what, you know, she's picking
up the phone and saying hello, I'll be right.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I don't know. Trailways is a bus.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
To Graham, Graham, why did you just ask ry as
she gets on the bus, why did you come here? Duh?
Why do you think?
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I mean, come on, dude, I think I think he knew,
but he wanted to hear her say it. You know,
when we when we need that confirmation or that affirmation
from from someone.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I was curious, if you're going to change your clothes,
you can watch them.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I can smell you from from Connecticut.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
It's like whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Okay, So they are record shopping, they hang out, they
do that stuff. She gets back on the bus and
he says goodbye, and then she gets stuck.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Mm hmm. You know he did. He did ask Rory
how Luke was so, And that's really the only one
of the only times we see him caring about somebody
else besides you. Know obviously Rory. Yeah, he's that typical
hurt abused guy. Yeah, teen who can he can only
open up to one person and that's the object of
(34:07):
his desire. Yeah, everybody else is the enemy taking away
her attention, right, It's that. It's that mentality. He's he's
a he's a prototype. Yeah, it's a psychological prototype.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
So yeah, absolutely that that, you know, the rebel without
a cause and uh kind of guy. That God, I
went through that phase when I was younger, and did
you Thank god I was when I was younger, when
I when I passed through that like bad guy phase,
because it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
So in high school, what did they vote in the yearbook?
What was your most likely to?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
What? Oh? My, my, my, like they just called me
cosmic Shelley. That was my moniker or whatever. In the
Europe you can put a little Madeline in there and
you could use your message.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Oh my god, that's great.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Did you have a most likely to?
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I was most likely to join the s LA, that's
the Cymbionese Liberation Army and uh, I'm very proud of that. Actually,
all right, let's go to the graduation ceremony and there
we are with Seth Seth McFarlane the communist, hating the
wealthy with his and they had an hysterical dynamic. Yeah,
(35:31):
they hated each other, they loved each other, they told
each other to die. It's just so funny, so great. Yeah,
I like that, And it made me wonder how much
an audience could could tolerate that, maybe through an entire episode,
or if they were the lead this series, because it's
so great. But you probably tire of it. F but
(35:53):
I mean, really, just brilliant writing, just funny stuff, all right. So,
so Laurel I gets there early. Her mother's there setting
up camera equipment. She's horrified by this. She meets Seth McFarlane,
the the raging communist. Uh, and Rory misses the graduation
(36:13):
because her bus is you know, there's a there's an
accident on the New York Thruway.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Okay, I don't want to overstate this, but I do
feel like Lorelized reaction to Rory not being there.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Oh God, I agree, I agree with you. I agree
with you. God, I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
I want to catch it. I felt like it was.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
A little childish, Yes, I.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Agree, Yeah, howdy you know, and granted, Yeah, she was
definitely had a lot going on and stuff, but I
was I was sort of taking it back. I was
always watching that reaction going. I don't remember her being
this like powdy, you know, like not temper chanterm, but
(37:01):
like poudy, little childish.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Girl before she had to from an acting point of
view from it, she had to to give Rory runway
for her speech.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, yes, of course, right.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
So that she could be you know.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one that that
had that reaction to it. Like I said, I feel
like anyway, yeah, I feel like I know what you mean,
what it is. It is what it is. So but
but okay, So, if Rory had been there, would she
have had that experience? Would her heart have been vulnerable
(37:40):
enough to have that experience with her dad? I feel
like the writing is brilliant, and I feel like there's
a very important purpose for Rory not being there, as
if Ory had been there, I don't know that she would,
Laura I would have been as open to the experience
that she had with her, especially her dad. So again,
(38:03):
great writing.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Again, it's like what's not written r is the genius
of it. What's not there?
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And then the last thing I wrote was that, like,
it feels like Laurla I really guilted Rory for not
being there, and then Rory starts spiraling, and then she
feels horrible at herself because she sat on the bus
for hours, and then there's all of this guilt and
guilt and guilt and Rory when she spirals, she just
spy rules and uh so, yeah, she totally spiraled, and
(38:38):
then they finally had their talk m h. And it's
kind of like it was kind of it's kind of
like a dot dot dot at the end of the episode.
I feel like it was kind of left a little open, you.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Know, Shelly, Let's talk about when Rory tells her mother
that Jess's phone call did something to her and that
she's she's sick and she's ill and she needs help.
And this is teenage melodrama, and you think she's genuinely
overwhelmed or she's just confused by her feelings. I mean,
this is like it's typical teenage trauma, right.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Well, I okay, I think what's going on with her?
And I do. I am with teenagers a lot, so
I don't really a lot of their drama. I think
what's going on with Rory in that because that I
feel like that's part of the spiral, is that she is,
first of all, she's feeling guilty about Secondly, I also
(39:34):
think that she's feeling I don't know if guilt is
the right word for it, but she knows Jess is
like a bad boy, and she knows that her mom
doesn't really approve of him. So I feel I feel
like she doesn't know what to do with her emotions
in regards to to Jess because she feels very drawn
(39:55):
to him. She knows that or she's been told and
she feels like the counterpoint that it's wrong. And I
feel like that's very very rough emotional terrain to navigate
as a sixteen year old kid who is always trying
to do the right thing. And it feels that she's
(40:15):
just very very confused and lost in all of that stuff.
And I think that's why she said those words to
her mom.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
That's why that's got to keep her on the tightrope,
can't It's easy for them to fall off, right, That's
that's the fear, all right, Well, that's it, all right?
He's like, is she in denial? I know, she says
I love Dean, but I love Dean, right, Mom. You
know it's like I don't think.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
So, no, no, that is too.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Love as a friend, love as a person, you know, trust.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
She's trying to say. I think she's saying that over
and over again because she's trying to convince herself of it,
because he's the right choice. But she doesn't. She doesn't
love Deane, and we know that when she was completely
tuned out to him, you know, when he was talking
to her, when they were walking on the street. She
was just tuned out. Her brain was somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
And we know, yeah, she's not getting the dopamine hits
from Dan.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
She she knows what she wants, but she just feels
too guilty to let herself have it.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
So Shelly, what'd you think of this episode overall?
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I don't think that it was specifically like a vastly
entertaining episode in terms of, like, you know, I walked
away feeling like, oh that's a little more girls always
feel good. But I feel like it was a very
important episode of lauralized relationship with herself, Rory's relationship with herself,
(41:40):
larealized relationship, you know, with Rory, and then you know,
the parents and all that stuff. I think it was
a very important establishing, you know, episode that happens. Those
are the rough like the bumps in life, and I
feel like this was a bumps in life episode, right, it.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Was the purpose maybe the purpose of the episode was
to make us feel uncomfortable and unsettled so that the
a La Las can come back and take us away
from heaven.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Right yeah, sure, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Right, good deal. All right, we're gonna wrap this up,
Shelley call scuote observations from Cosmic Shelley.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yoh, I love it. Let's do that some more.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
And always pleasure, please please come.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Back of course, Scott, it's so fun to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Best of luck to you. Fun to talk to you too,
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