August 4, 2025 • 20 mins
Suzanne has a hot take about Lorelai crossing the line with Christopher.
Plus, is Emily being irrational with her feelings about Sherry?
From our IAAI Town Meeting, cohost Suzanne French joins Scott this week to recap Season 2 episode 14 “It Should’ve Been Lorelai”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh, let's just you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio
Podcast Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one
of them productions. iHeart Radio Media. iHeart Podcast Recap, Season two,
Episode fourteen. It should have been Laurel I. Air date
February twelfth, two thousand and two. I have a very
special guest today, Ladies and gentlemen, we have somehow I
(00:41):
mean hit upon such a stroke of luck, Suzanne Francis
joining us. Her schedule is so filled right now. She
was on a helicopter on her way to the island
of Maui and then off on Dakona, and we got
her to step off and delay that trip because I
know happened to know the pilot and I know the
(01:02):
company that runs that, and she's decided, and she's in
the airport right now, in that little helliport, and she's
decided through her phone to give us some of her time.
Thank you for delaying your now your personal appearances all
over the world, your world famous, so much appreciated, Suzanne.
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And Aloha, absolutely aloha. I am always happy to drop
whatever I'm doing, even if I'm, you know, thirty thousand
feet over the Pacific Ocean, I.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Will Oh, you'd already taken off in your to circle back.
So that's wow. I appreciate that when you got that,
when you got those texts for me like that, do
you want to have a job or do you want
to go to Hawaii? Then you came back. I like that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I like that exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm subtle, all right. Christopher's backing Star's Hollow Company by
his new girlfriend Sherry, and she's committed to starting a
friendship with Rory Mean, while Emily is upset that Laura
and Christopher couldn't make their relationship work. Leslie Linka linka Gladder,
who directed the pilot directed this. Daniel Palladino wrote it,
(02:13):
And did I tell you Suzanne French? We plucked her
two thousand feet out of the air and here she
is And did they was the last couple hundred feet
just like a ladder he had to climb down or
did they laying?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, it was a little harry. It was kind of
windy out there as kind of blowing back.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And forth, but it was like a bond FHIW the podcast,
like I had unbelievable. Thank you so much, Suzanne, Tom
Cruise French. Chris is in town for work and comes
to Rory's debate at Chilton. He brings Sherry, his lady love.
Cherry approaches Laura and tells her how important it is
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to got her to know Rory. Rory and Cherry make
plans to hang out that night, much to the chagrin
of Loralai, while Chris and Lorlei go to the Gilmours
for a Friday night dinner. There's a lot of Christopher
for all you Christopher, of all three of you Christopher
fans out there, this must have been a great watch
for you. Listen, let's get into this. We see Christopher
(03:09):
coming to Rory's debate, but doesn't mention bringing his new girlfriend.
Share you think that was an appropriate way for christ
to introduced his girlfriend to his kid and to surprise Laurel.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I like that, well, I mean the invitation was initiated
by Laurel. I so I don't think Christopher necessarily planned
for that to be how they met. But it does
make me wonder, like, at what point was Christopher planning
to introduce Cherry to Rory, Because it would have to
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they've been living together for a while now, they say
they've been together for eight months, Like it had to
have happened at some point, So I wonder how Chris
was planning on doing that. But really it only happened
this way because Laura I had initiated that invitation. So
whether or not it's appropriate, you know, I don't know.
I think it just kind of happened the way it happened.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think you kind of expect something like that from Christopher.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, I mean he typically is. He's kind of oblivious.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
He's not not thinking right, he's not.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Always connecting the dots like he probably didn't.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Is he's smart enough to be, like, you know, chess
maneuvers manipulation, not really right, I don't think he's not
capable of that.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, I don't think he's capable of that.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
What do you think Sherry's motivations really were in pushing
to get so close to Rory so quickly, because she
really just was like all over everybody with her charm. Offensive.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, she really was, And I have to wonder like
maybe what we didn't see was maybe she had been
asking Chris, when can I meet Rory? When can I
meet Rory, and maybe Christopher is the one who wasn't
letting that happen, and maybe she thought this was going
to be her only chance to meet Rory, so it
was like, you know, take advantage of it because who
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knows what it's going to happen again.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So that's a very good that's actually a very good point.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So yeah, I think she was really pushy, But at
the same time, I kind of also didn't blame her,
like because we don't know, this is the first time
we've seen Sherry. We don't really know that much about her.
She seems like a likable enough person, so you know,
maybe she just she just thought this was going to
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be her only chance to do it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And it's one of the few times that we've ever
seen Laurel I dumbstruck. I mean, she was just profoundly
back on her heels the entire time she was dealing
with Sherry, and we never see that she was she
was she was.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
She was thrown off by that. And then Emily also
got inside her head at the Friday night dinner and
so Laurel I really like didn't know what to make
of Sherry, but also what to think about her relationship
like Laureli's relationship with Chris Right, it's a different side
of Laurelai that we don't see very often.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
All Right, So Lane's grounding. Lane is grounded over her
argument with her mother about Henry. Rory finds a way
to get Lane a newly released CD with Michelle and
Kirk's help. And this is a question for me. This
is from the fans. They want to know this as
a musician, as the musician that I am, how can
(06:18):
you relate to Lane's passion for music? Well, Susan, you
want to answer that, because I know answer that.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I You know, I can't speak for you, obviously.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But I'm telling you too.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So how how does Scott Patterson relate to Lane's passion
for music? I mean, I think I think both Scott
Patterson and Lane cam music is just like the foundation
of your soul. It just is kind of the underpinning
of everything else that happens. That's my opinion, really, really,
(07:00):
I promise.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So I'm gonna let's go with that. I like that.
I like that. I will not refute that. I could,
but I won't because I'm dying because I've got to
satisfy another hunger, which is actual food. So let's get
to the Friday night dinner. Huh. How's that for a segue.
Richard and Emily are thrilled to have Chris join them
(07:22):
for Friday night dinner, of course, and I'm counting them
as the two of the fans of Christopher. There's actually
registered in our Gilmour logs Bryan dinner. When Emily finds
out where Rory is, she drills Chris with questions about Sherry.
Emily and Laura I get into a heated argument in
the kitchen. Emily asked Laura if she really doesn't have
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feelings for Chris and if this is all fine with her,
Lauri said. Laura says, that's not important. All that is
important is that Christopher is doing well, Susanne. Emily says
she's heartbroken that Chris and Laura I are not together.
Is this heartbreak for lorell I or her vision of
a perfect Gilmore family.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Emily is really good at playing the victim. Emily's heartbreak
is one hundred percent about Emily and what she wants,
And it's irrelevant that Laurel I didn't want to be
with Christopher. It's just that Emily has this vision of
(08:26):
them being this happy little family, and after sixteen years
of this, Emily still can't accept that Chris and Laurel
I aren't together. And I think Emily's also jealous because
she's going on about how we'll never see she jumps
(08:48):
immediately to the conclusion that we're never going to see
Rory again and don't let that woman have her on
the weekends, et cetera. So I think Emily's heartbreak is
really about Emily and nobody else.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Right, do you think Laurlai and Christopher are meant to be?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
To me? And I know there's other people that have
different opinions, but Suzanne French's opinion Lorelai and Chris always
feels forced to me. Like the two characters, I don't
think they were meant to be. I think Chris was
just the boyfriend that happened to get her pregnant. We
know that Lorlai has dated a lot of guys, and
I think it was the last episode where maybe the
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last one where Laura I was talking about having a
guy hidden in the closet that Emily didn't. I mean,
she dated a lot. We know that, and I think
that Chris was just the one that happened to get
her pregnant. I don't think that they were ever endgame.
I don't think they were meant to be together in
some long term way. And we see that because when
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they tried to get together several times and it never
worked out, it always came apart for various reasons.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, I mean, look at the way they handled their
post pregnancy lives, right, Rory's point, Look at what she
did versus what he's done, right, I mean, he's miles behind.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
He's yeah, he never grew up Lauraake kind of had
to grow up. But Christopher is still always just very
much in that high school mentality that you know, nothing,
nothing affect him. He could just do whatever he wants.
He doesn't have any responsibilities. So yeah, so I don't
I don't think they were endgame.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Well, if Laura I has feelings for Chris, why won't
she tell him? And do you think she has feelings
for him?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think there's a couple of things going on here.
I think one is that if she does have feelings
for Chris, she doesn't ever want to admit that Emily
might be right, So that fact alone might prevent her
from saying anything. But I also think maybe she's not
sure if she has feelings for him, because there was
a previous episode where she told Emily that she might
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have feelings for Luke. So I don't think it's automatically
a foregone conclusion that Laura I always has feelings for Christopher.
I think she may not be sure how she.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Feels right, right, right, all right, And now we're getting
up to the closing. Seeing Laura I ask Rory if
she's ever pictured Chris and her together. She says, Rory, quote,
should it have been me? End quote? Laura I tells
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Chris that she's been sabotaging all of her relationship because
she's always had him in the back of her mind. Boy,
that was a tough sell, don't you think that was?
That was awkward? So that was like, wow.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, I probably would not have shared that particular revelation with.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Seeing him settle down with Sherry allows her to move
on to before storming out. Chris yells at Laura I,
saying that she's blaming fifteen years of unhappiness and her
breakup with Max on him. All right, so what does
laurel ize should it have been me? Calment say about
her regrets and her lack of closure with Chris.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Well, to me, first of all, I hate that she
even said that, Tory, because to me, that is crossing.
That's not something that you discussed with your child. And
I know that, like the line between parent and child
with the two of them is blurry. But I just
I hate that she even asked Rory that, because it's
not really the kind of thing that it felt to
(12:28):
me like she it was odd when she was putting
Rory on the spot. But in terms to answer your question,
like what does it say about her? I think Emily
got inside her head and got her confused. And now
she's looking at Christopher finally getting his act together and
maturing and moving on, and now she's seeing what she
(12:49):
could have had had she made a different decision, you know,
back when they were when this whole thing first started,
when she was when she was a teenager.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, that begs this question, should they have tried harder
to make it work as teens, even just so they
could have known they tried and it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I mean, yes and no, you could say that, But
at the same time, that isn't how teenage brains work, right,
So at the time when they were, you know, fifteen,
sixteen years old. They're not able to see past the
immediate crisis. They're not looking out into their thirties and
forties and thinking, you know, let's try to make this work.
(13:26):
I just I don't think that would have happened as teenagers.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You think Chris had the right to lash out a
Lauraai the way he did and Luke Steiner in front
of Luke, Well.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Like I said, I if I were Laura l I
would not have even said that to Chris in the
first place. I get where she was coming from. But
he misinterpreted what she said and then immediately jumped on
the defensive. So whether he had the right to lash out,
I mean, I think he was just reacting to what
he thought she was saying. I think he thought she
(13:58):
was blaming him, which she wasn't. Really, she was saying, hey,
you know, I realized that I've been sabotaging myself. It
was really more about what she was doing to herself,
not what he was doing to her. But he misinterpreted that.
So I can see how he was reacting to what
he thought she was saying, But it was an overreaction
to what she was actually.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But it's also you know, an interesting three dimensional device
in Dan's writing where you know, you're wondering, Luke's in
the background, what's he going to do? So it adds
tension to that and it makes him look better because
this guy's being such a you know what, even if
Laura I shouldn't have asked the question in the first place,
(14:39):
he's still being inappropriate. Everybody's being inappropriate. But I mean
there's levels to it, right.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, And I mean there's just basic decorum, like you
don't scream at someone in a restaurant. Like there's always
that aspect of it too.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
But it just it just shows how immature he is.
That's how I took it. And then Luke showing his
you know, he's resisting the urge to come over and
just like pick him up and throw them out.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Oh yeah, he was like ready to jump to Laurelized
defense if it was needed.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
For sure, you think the show should have given Chris
and Laurel I are real chance.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I think they did give them a chance. I do too,
together twice. The first time was right before Suki's wedding,
and they decided they're going to try to make a
go of it, and then they found out Sherry was pregnant,
and so Chris was like, oh, I have to turn
this direction now because he can't comprehend he can have
a relationship with Lorelai and still parent this new child.
(15:33):
And then of course the season seven when the whole
marriage fiasco. So I think they did try to give
them a chance, but the they didn't really have that
much in common. To me, they had like the their
high school romance, but that didn't translate into thirty something
adults still having a connection like they had that the
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Rory connection, but they didn't have really the connection independent
of that.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Right, you know, not to get too personal, but tell
me about moments in your life where you can relate
to everything that's happening here. Can exes be friends.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, not to put you on the spot, maybe
some can. I don't know. I am not personally. I
am not in contact with any of my exes. I
did recently one of my ex boyfriends, Well.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What about now that you've become like globally famous and
completely unattainable.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, now, you know, people from my past are calling
me all the time wanting loans and things like that.
So I just ignore them. But no, I did have
There was a college boyfriend that my husband also knew,
and he recently reached out to my husband on LinkedIn,
and so the two of them like had a nice
(16:51):
little conversation and I don't know, I don't even I
didn't talk to the accent. Actually, I don't even know
if he realizes that John is married to me. I
think like the two of them were just talking and
not not even realize that we're together. But yeah, so
probably some people can be friends with their exes. I
personally am not not that all. We just haven't kept
(17:14):
in touch.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Depends on how it ended, right right, right.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, there were definitely some that were worse than others.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yes, and we've touched on this, But what do we
think Luke is thinking during this fight.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I think he's just watching to see how it's gonna
play out, and I think he was ready to if
it escalated, he was ready to jump in and you know,
not rescue, but jump into Laurelized defense if needed. But then,
you know, because you saw how he like they he
and Laurela I made eye contact and then he really
(17:49):
quick looked down at whatever he was doing, Like so
he was watching it, but he didn't necessarily want her
to see he was watching it. But I think he
was ready to intervene. But Christopher's so.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It was and the fact that he did nothing right, well,
he did something. He stopped himself, So that's something. Yeah,
makes the punch all that much more satisfying, right, Susan French. Uh,
we're going to have to cut this off. We know
the hell of port is just panicked right now. They're calling, Uh,
(18:21):
get back on that shopper. Have a great trip to Hawaii.
Say hello to everybody. I understand you're going to the
North Shore and you're you're gonna do some kind of
ceremony over there. You're like paddling out on a surfboard
with all that. That's what I do a Lacama or somebody,
or Jason Momoa or somebody. And what are you doing.
You're you're blessing the sea. You're blessing the north Shore.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, I'm not even sure something.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like underneath the waves, right, okay, all right, well be safe, right.
I mean it's summertimes that the waves aren't huge, huge
over there, but you know there's still you know, ten
feet I think, right, that's that's big. Those when you
when you're in the water and a ten footer comes
you wish you weren't in the water.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, that's what I'm in a life jacket.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah no, that's a good idea, does it? But make
sure it has our logo. Okay, did they get you
on because we have those life jackets?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
First, your face is right across the back.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, well those are those are the new ones. Yeah yeah,
soon your face will be on them because you're blowing up.
We love you, Thank you for all the contributions and
good luck and Hawaii Helloa.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's going to wrap us up here. Thanks to Susanne French.
It's always a special recap when when she can put
her Gilmore brain to bear on this on this podcast.
We so appreciate your time and remember you're the best
fans on the planet. Keep the cards and letters coming,
and where you lead, we will follow. Stay sick, hey everybody,
(20:23):
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I am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh, let's just you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio
Podcast Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one
of them productions. iHeart Radio Media. iHeart Podcast Recap, Season two,
Episode fourteen. It should have been Laurel I. Air date
February twelfth, two thousand and two. I have a very
special guest today, Ladies and gentlemen, we have somehow I
(00:41):
mean hit upon such a stroke of luck, Suzanne Francis
joining us. Her schedule is so filled right now. She
was on a helicopter on her way to the island
of Maui and then off on Dakona, and we got
her to step off and delay that trip because I
know happened to know the pilot and I know the
(01:02):
company that runs that, and she's decided, and she's in
the airport right now, in that little helliport, and she's
decided through her phone to give us some of her time.
Thank you for delaying your now your personal appearances all
over the world, your world famous, so much appreciated, Suzanne.
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And Aloha, absolutely aloha. I am always happy to drop
whatever I'm doing, even if I'm, you know, thirty thousand
feet over the Pacific Ocean, I.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Will Oh, you'd already taken off in your to circle back.
So that's wow. I appreciate that when you got that,
when you got those texts for me like that, do
you want to have a job or do you want
to go to Hawaii? Then you came back. I like that.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I like that exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm subtle, all right. Christopher's backing Star's Hollow Company by
his new girlfriend Sherry, and she's committed to starting a
friendship with Rory Mean, while Emily is upset that Laura
and Christopher couldn't make their relationship work. Leslie Linka linka Gladder,
who directed the pilot directed this. Daniel Palladino wrote it,
(02:13):
And did I tell you Suzanne French? We plucked her
two thousand feet out of the air and here she
is And did they was the last couple hundred feet
just like a ladder he had to climb down or
did they laying?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, it was a little harry. It was kind of
windy out there as kind of blowing back.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And forth, but it was like a bond FHIW the podcast,
like I had unbelievable. Thank you so much, Suzanne, Tom
Cruise French. Chris is in town for work and comes
to Rory's debate at Chilton. He brings Sherry, his lady love.
Cherry approaches Laura and tells her how important it is
(02:47):
to got her to know Rory. Rory and Cherry make
plans to hang out that night, much to the chagrin
of Loralai, while Chris and Lorlei go to the Gilmours
for a Friday night dinner. There's a lot of Christopher
for all you Christopher, of all three of you Christopher
fans out there, this must have been a great watch
for you. Listen, let's get into this. We see Christopher
(03:09):
coming to Rory's debate, but doesn't mention bringing his new girlfriend.
Share you think that was an appropriate way for christ
to introduced his girlfriend to his kid and to surprise Laurel.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
I like that, well, I mean the invitation was initiated
by Laurel. I so I don't think Christopher necessarily planned
for that to be how they met. But it does
make me wonder, like, at what point was Christopher planning
to introduce Cherry to Rory, Because it would have to
(03:41):
they've been living together for a while now, they say
they've been together for eight months, Like it had to
have happened at some point, So I wonder how Chris
was planning on doing that. But really it only happened
this way because Laura I had initiated that invitation. So
whether or not it's appropriate, you know, I don't know.
I think it just kind of happened the way it happened.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
I think you kind of expect something like that from Christopher.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah, I mean he typically is. He's kind of oblivious.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
He's not not thinking right, he's not.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Always connecting the dots like he probably didn't.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Is he's smart enough to be, like, you know, chess
maneuvers manipulation, not really right, I don't think he's not
capable of that.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, I don't think he's capable of that.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
What do you think Sherry's motivations really were in pushing
to get so close to Rory so quickly, because she
really just was like all over everybody with her charm. Offensive.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, she really was, And I have to wonder like
maybe what we didn't see was maybe she had been
asking Chris, when can I meet Rory? When can I
meet Rory, and maybe Christopher is the one who wasn't
letting that happen, and maybe she thought this was going
to be her only chance to meet Rory, so it
was like, you know, take advantage of it because who
(04:56):
knows what it's going to happen again.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So that's a very good that's actually a very good point.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So yeah, I think she was really pushy, But at
the same time, I kind of also didn't blame her,
like because we don't know, this is the first time
we've seen Sherry. We don't really know that much about her.
She seems like a likable enough person, so you know,
maybe she just she just thought this was going to
(05:21):
be her only chance to do it.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And it's one of the few times that we've ever
seen Laurel I dumbstruck. I mean, she was just profoundly
back on her heels the entire time she was dealing
with Sherry, and we never see that she was she
was she was.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
She was thrown off by that. And then Emily also
got inside her head at the Friday night dinner and
so Laurel I really like didn't know what to make
of Sherry, but also what to think about her relationship
like Laureli's relationship with Chris Right, it's a different side
of Laurelai that we don't see very often.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
All Right, So Lane's grounding. Lane is grounded over her
argument with her mother about Henry. Rory finds a way
to get Lane a newly released CD with Michelle and
Kirk's help. And this is a question for me. This
is from the fans. They want to know this as
a musician, as the musician that I am, how can
(06:18):
you relate to Lane's passion for music? Well, Susan, you
want to answer that, because I know answer that.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I You know, I can't speak for you, obviously.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But I'm telling you too.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So how how does Scott Patterson relate to Lane's passion
for music? I mean, I think I think both Scott
Patterson and Lane cam music is just like the foundation
of your soul. It just is kind of the underpinning
of everything else that happens. That's my opinion, really, really,
(07:00):
I promise.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So I'm gonna let's go with that. I like that.
I like that. I will not refute that. I could,
but I won't because I'm dying because I've got to
satisfy another hunger, which is actual food. So let's get
to the Friday night dinner. Huh. How's that for a segue.
Richard and Emily are thrilled to have Chris join them
(07:22):
for Friday night dinner, of course, and I'm counting them
as the two of the fans of Christopher. There's actually
registered in our Gilmour logs Bryan dinner. When Emily finds
out where Rory is, she drills Chris with questions about Sherry.
Emily and Laura I get into a heated argument in
the kitchen. Emily asked Laura if she really doesn't have
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feelings for Chris and if this is all fine with her,
Lauri said. Laura says, that's not important. All that is
important is that Christopher is doing well, Susanne. Emily says
she's heartbroken that Chris and Laura I are not together.
Is this heartbreak for lorell I or her vision of
a perfect Gilmore family.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Emily is really good at playing the victim. Emily's heartbreak
is one hundred percent about Emily and what she wants,
And it's irrelevant that Laurel I didn't want to be
with Christopher. It's just that Emily has this vision of
(08:26):
them being this happy little family, and after sixteen years
of this, Emily still can't accept that Chris and Laurel
I aren't together. And I think Emily's also jealous because
she's going on about how we'll never see she jumps
(08:48):
immediately to the conclusion that we're never going to see
Rory again and don't let that woman have her on
the weekends, et cetera. So I think Emily's heartbreak is
really about Emily and nobody else.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Right, do you think Laurlai and Christopher are meant to be?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
To me? And I know there's other people that have
different opinions, but Suzanne French's opinion Lorelai and Chris always
feels forced to me. Like the two characters, I don't
think they were meant to be. I think Chris was
just the boyfriend that happened to get her pregnant. We
know that Lorlai has dated a lot of guys, and
I think it was the last episode where maybe the
(09:26):
last one where Laura I was talking about having a
guy hidden in the closet that Emily didn't. I mean,
she dated a lot. We know that, and I think
that Chris was just the one that happened to get
her pregnant. I don't think that they were ever endgame.
I don't think they were meant to be together in
some long term way. And we see that because when
(09:46):
they tried to get together several times and it never
worked out, it always came apart for various reasons.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, I mean, look at the way they handled their
post pregnancy lives, right, Rory's point, Look at what she
did versus what he's done, right, I mean, he's miles behind.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
He's yeah, he never grew up Lauraake kind of had
to grow up. But Christopher is still always just very
much in that high school mentality that you know, nothing,
nothing affect him. He could just do whatever he wants.
He doesn't have any responsibilities. So yeah, so I don't
I don't think they were endgame.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Well, if Laura I has feelings for Chris, why won't
she tell him? And do you think she has feelings
for him?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think there's a couple of things going on here.
I think one is that if she does have feelings
for Chris, she doesn't ever want to admit that Emily
might be right, So that fact alone might prevent her
from saying anything. But I also think maybe she's not
sure if she has feelings for him, because there was
a previous episode where she told Emily that she might
(10:53):
have feelings for Luke. So I don't think it's automatically
a foregone conclusion that Laura I always has feelings for Christopher.
I think she may not be sure how she.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Feels right, right, right, all right, And now we're getting
up to the closing. Seeing Laura I ask Rory if
she's ever pictured Chris and her together. She says, Rory, quote,
should it have been me? End quote? Laura I tells
(11:27):
Chris that she's been sabotaging all of her relationship because
she's always had him in the back of her mind. Boy,
that was a tough sell, don't you think that was?
That was awkward? So that was like, wow.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, I probably would not have shared that particular revelation with.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Seeing him settle down with Sherry allows her to move
on to before storming out. Chris yells at Laura I,
saying that she's blaming fifteen years of unhappiness and her
breakup with Max on him. All right, so what does
laurel ize should it have been me? Calment say about
her regrets and her lack of closure with Chris.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Well, to me, first of all, I hate that she
even said that, Tory, because to me, that is crossing.
That's not something that you discussed with your child. And
I know that, like the line between parent and child
with the two of them is blurry. But I just
I hate that she even asked Rory that, because it's
not really the kind of thing that it felt to
(12:28):
me like she it was odd when she was putting
Rory on the spot. But in terms to answer your question,
like what does it say about her? I think Emily
got inside her head and got her confused. And now
she's looking at Christopher finally getting his act together and
maturing and moving on, and now she's seeing what she
(12:49):
could have had had she made a different decision, you know,
back when they were when this whole thing first started,
when she was when she was a teenager.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Well, that begs this question, should they have tried harder
to make it work as teens, even just so they
could have known they tried and it didn't work.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I mean, yes and no, you could say that, But
at the same time, that isn't how teenage brains work, right,
So at the time when they were, you know, fifteen,
sixteen years old. They're not able to see past the
immediate crisis. They're not looking out into their thirties and
forties and thinking, you know, let's try to make this work.
(13:26):
I just I don't think that would have happened as teenagers.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You think Chris had the right to lash out a
Lauraai the way he did and Luke Steiner in front
of Luke, Well.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Like I said, I if I were Laura l I
would not have even said that to Chris in the
first place. I get where she was coming from. But
he misinterpreted what she said and then immediately jumped on
the defensive. So whether he had the right to lash out,
I mean, I think he was just reacting to what
he thought she was saying. I think he thought she
(13:58):
was blaming him, which she wasn't. Really, she was saying, hey,
you know, I realized that I've been sabotaging myself. It
was really more about what she was doing to herself,
not what he was doing to her. But he misinterpreted that.
So I can see how he was reacting to what
he thought she was saying, But it was an overreaction
to what she was actually.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But it's also you know, an interesting three dimensional device
in Dan's writing where you know, you're wondering, Luke's in
the background, what's he going to do? So it adds
tension to that and it makes him look better because
this guy's being such a you know what, even if
Laura I shouldn't have asked the question in the first place,
(14:39):
he's still being inappropriate. Everybody's being inappropriate. But I mean
there's levels to it, right.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, And I mean there's just basic decorum, like you
don't scream at someone in a restaurant. Like there's always
that aspect of it too.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
But it just it just shows how immature he is.
That's how I took it. And then Luke showing his
you know, he's resisting the urge to come over and
just like pick him up and throw them out.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Oh yeah, he was like ready to jump to Laurelized
defense if it was needed.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
For sure, you think the show should have given Chris
and Laurel I are real chance.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I think they did give them a chance. I do too,
together twice. The first time was right before Suki's wedding,
and they decided they're going to try to make a
go of it, and then they found out Sherry was pregnant,
and so Chris was like, oh, I have to turn
this direction now because he can't comprehend he can have
a relationship with Lorelai and still parent this new child.
(15:33):
And then of course the season seven when the whole
marriage fiasco. So I think they did try to give
them a chance, but the they didn't really have that
much in common. To me, they had like the their
high school romance, but that didn't translate into thirty something
adults still having a connection like they had that the
(15:56):
Rory connection, but they didn't have really the connection independent
of that.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Right, you know, not to get too personal, but tell
me about moments in your life where you can relate
to everything that's happening here. Can exes be friends.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, not to put you on the spot, maybe
some can. I don't know. I am not personally. I
am not in contact with any of my exes. I
did recently one of my ex boyfriends, Well.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
What about now that you've become like globally famous and
completely unattainable.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah, now, you know, people from my past are calling
me all the time wanting loans and things like that.
So I just ignore them. But no, I did have
There was a college boyfriend that my husband also knew,
and he recently reached out to my husband on LinkedIn,
and so the two of them like had a nice
(16:51):
little conversation and I don't know, I don't even I
didn't talk to the accent. Actually, I don't even know
if he realizes that John is married to me. I
think like the two of them were just talking and
not not even realize that we're together. But yeah, so
probably some people can be friends with their exes. I
personally am not not that all. We just haven't kept
(17:14):
in touch.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Depends on how it ended, right right, right.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, there were definitely some that were worse than others.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yes, and we've touched on this, But what do we
think Luke is thinking during this fight.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I think he's just watching to see how it's gonna
play out, and I think he was ready to if
it escalated, he was ready to jump in and you know,
not rescue, but jump into Laurelized defense if needed. But then,
you know, because you saw how he like they he
and Laurela I made eye contact and then he really
(17:49):
quick looked down at whatever he was doing, Like so
he was watching it, but he didn't necessarily want her
to see he was watching it. But I think he
was ready to intervene. But Christopher's so.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It was and the fact that he did nothing right, well,
he did something. He stopped himself, So that's something. Yeah,
makes the punch all that much more satisfying, right, Susan French. Uh,
we're going to have to cut this off. We know
the hell of port is just panicked right now. They're calling, Uh,
(18:21):
get back on that shopper. Have a great trip to Hawaii.
Say hello to everybody. I understand you're going to the
North Shore and you're you're gonna do some kind of
ceremony over there. You're like paddling out on a surfboard
with all that. That's what I do a Lacama or somebody,
or Jason Momoa or somebody. And what are you doing.
You're you're blessing the sea. You're blessing the north Shore.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know, I'm not even sure something.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Like underneath the waves, right, okay, all right, well be safe, right.
I mean it's summertimes that the waves aren't huge, huge
over there, but you know there's still you know, ten
feet I think, right, that's that's big. Those when you
when you're in the water and a ten footer comes
you wish you weren't in the water.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, that's what I'm in a life jacket.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah no, that's a good idea, does it? But make
sure it has our logo. Okay, did they get you
on because we have those life jackets?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
First, your face is right across the back.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, well those are those are the new ones. Yeah yeah,
soon your face will be on them because you're blowing up.
We love you, Thank you for all the contributions and
good luck and Hawaii Helloa.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
That's going to wrap us up here. Thanks to Susanne French.
It's always a special recap when when she can put
her Gilmore brain to bear on this on this podcast.
We so appreciate your time and remember you're the best
fans on the planet. Keep the cards and letters coming,
and where you lead, we will follow. Stay sick, hey everybody,
(20:23):
and to forget follow us on Instagram at I Am
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