I Know... Let's Go (S1 E10, “Forgiveness and Stuff”)

Emily knows. She sees it. There is something stronger than friendship between Luke and Lorelai even if they don't know it yet.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Am all In. I Am all In with Scott
Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Hey everybody, I'm Scott

(00:23):
Patterson and this is the I Am All In podcast
I Heart Radio. Hey everybody. Hey Amy, Danielle Riley, Hello, Hello, Hello,
what what do we just we're discussing forgiveness. Merry Christmas everybody,
by the way, Merry Christmas. Yes, it's uh, it's it's

(00:44):
it's Christmas in July and we're all you know, it's
all ninety degrees and just got out of the swimming pool,
but it's it's it's Christmas for God's sake, and I'm
in the spirit. I just actually booked my Christmas vacation.
I do it well ahead, planning ahead. Yes, well it's like,
you know, there's a feeding frenzy and you got you

(01:06):
gotta plan ahead. But so I'm really in the Christmas spirit.
And what an episode that might go two weeks before Christmas.
We should say, as you mentioned that a couple of times,
that it's not it is not quite, but it's it's
like in that anticipatory, joyful headspace everybody gets into. When

(01:27):
you said you got uninvited to your parents fake Christmas party,
I laughed out loud when Luke says that so good. Um,
what an episode, My god. And I think some of
the most difficult sledding emotionally speaking for for Lauren. Um,
I mean she's had some tough episodes to do so far.

(01:49):
I mean as far as you know, the type of
emotional gymnastics that she has to go through on a
weekly basis. But I thought this one was especially especially tough.
And I was just like, why, she's getting through it
beautifully and and there was, you know, a lot going on.
Oh my god, she's battling her mom, she's been on
roaring everybody's man at her. Um. You know, she's she's

(02:14):
getting a little attitude from me. Uh. You know, overall,
I thought it was Um, I don't. I don't know
if it was my favorite episode. I thought it was
a big episode. Do you think that's because you're too
hard on yourself? Because I love this episode really and

(02:34):
maybe you you don't because there is so much you
in it that maybe you're judging it. No, No, it's
not that. It just took us out of familiar environs
and here we are in a hospital. You know that's
not familiar. Set pieces that that we're used to or
want to get used to. It's just so. I think

(02:56):
they made a choice that Richard was going to have, um,
you know, a health issue, and he had to go
into the hospital. What I what I think it did
for me is kind of jarred me out of the
Gilmour world while keeping me in and at the same time,
with so outside of my familiar set pieces what I know,
the Dragonfly or Luke Steiner or Laurelized house or everything

(03:16):
that we're anchored in. It almost and I don't want
to say this word, I'm not. I don't want to
be negative. I really don't. It almost came off like,
I don't know, outside of it's familiar um um scenes,
set pieces and sets, it almost felt like melodrama at
at times. I'm not saying it's an interesting it's an

(03:39):
interesting thought. It didn't bother me. For me, the hospital
scenes were extraordinary. No, no, absolutely, absolutely, But I I
wish they just got him out of the hospital. I
wish they didn't spend so much time in the hospital.
I wish they got think that's true. The hospital was
probably twenty minutes of the episode. I thought your scenes

(04:02):
with Rory were amazing your scenes with lorea lie where
means amazing, You're scene with Emily amazing that scene. I
like that scene. She knows, she knows, she knows you too,
are a thing a hundred percent. She knew in the

(04:23):
episode when she met you previously. She knows in this one,
and I I loved it. It's it's not difficult for
people of a certain maturity, a certain vintage to know
what younger people are thinking and feeling. That's not difficult,
It's it's obvious. The older you get, the more obvious
that becomes. She knows Laura Lae, even though they have

(04:45):
so many issues and so much drama. She knows, and that,
to me, it just hits me, and I love it. Yeah,
she wrecked her life with Christopher, now she's gonna reck
her life with me. She's she's she's hell bent for
leather yet again. I think Emily likes you. I think

(05:06):
Emily likes Luke. I do too, And I think Luke
likes Emily. Yeah. I think Luke really likes Emily, I
really do. I think he's a little bit afraid of her. Um,
you're so kind to her. Yeah, Well, I mean she
didn't do anything to me. I mean, I don't know
how much I even I am privy to the trauma

(05:29):
going on between mother and daughter, you know, between between
Laurelie and Emily. I probably don't know a lot because
Laura la Are and I are not that close yet,
and I don't know that she shares any of that
stuff with me. I mean, I mean, I know she's
I know she's probably frustrated with her mother because she
comes to the diner at times is oh my mother.
But I mean, have I been really so heavily like

(05:52):
am I inner circle Luke with her such good friends
and we're tight and we we sort of talk about
her mother. I don't think we do love Where she's
explaining Richard to you, you know, she says, I don't
know what loweral lies told you, but he's a he's
a really good father. And you you say, that's exactly
what she told me, and whether that is a hunt

(06:15):
of her sent the truth, it was so what she
needed to hear. I mean. Kelly Bishop is an amazing
actress and I love her performance in this episode. Everything
is just so believable. Yeah, she's she's an old she's
a pro. I mean, she's really gifted on top of
being a super pro. I mean, she's just a natural.
You know, it's it's you know, I don't want to

(06:37):
I don't want to sound sexist, but women are just
such better actors than just are. I think we just
take that as a compliment. They just are. I mean,
you take you take a mediocre actress and they're is
good as the best actor. I mean it's like, you know,
there's women can do anything in front of a camera.

(06:59):
It's just it's not even fair. It's not a fair fight.
But I think and that's but but in that situation,
Luke is just being supportive to her. He's he's if
he doesn't know that Richard's a great guy, he's probably
just saying that to to be classy and to be
supportive in a very difficult time because nobody knows if
he's going to hang on he might die well. And
maybe it's also because you know, ultimately this relationship with

(07:23):
Morala is not going anywhere, and this woman is going
to be in your life, whether your friends or more.
I just saw it as the groundwork for Yeah, but
he I don't think he's he's not strategic, He's not
you know, thinking that way he's just in the moment
and being a solid guy, being a friend. He's being

(07:46):
a friend. He's doing exactly he was. He's saying what
a friend would say. I think he's more well, he
obviously feels a lot more. Yeah, but I think in
this time he's he's not letting that spill over. He
just wants to be a supportives as he possibly can.
He's more of a friend at this point. He feels
like he wants more, obviously, but at this point, you know,

(08:08):
he's not seeing this as a way to ingratiate himself.
He's just functioning as a friend. I don't think he
I have the benefit of hindsight being I don't know.
This episode was powerful and their relationship was like so
evident between Luke and LAURELOI. Yeah, yeah, they they flow

(08:30):
very well together, you know they are. They're not so opposite,
are they. I Mean, it would appear on the service
that opposites attract and they're just very different. But I
think they're very very similar. I think they're both tough
as nails. I think the thing that comes across for
her is she's really tough. She's tough like Emily, and
she when she digs her heel in, heal's in. I mean,

(08:52):
don't don't get in her way, and she's not backing down,
and I think he's the same way. So it's I
think that's where it is. They're both very, very similar totally.
But I thought she was so vulnerable in this episode
with you, so what I thought was interesting. And again
I don't want to see him sexist, but I felt
like when she got that message, she starts to fall

(09:14):
apart and Luke stepped up, almost like you want the
man to do, or you want your boyfriend to do.
I felt like Luke stepped up. He took control. He
got everybody out of the diner. He's like, Taylor, close up,
have your hot chocolate. Everything's on me, let's go. Luke
took over. You know. I think it took him too long.

(09:36):
I think it took I was waiting for him to
get to kick everybody out and take action. I said, like,
come on, guy, go go go. You're so hard on yourself.
I thought I was wondering what is taking him so long?
And then finally he It's like, why is it even
a decision? Why is he hesitating? I'm not gonna lie.
I was like that. That was hot of hot of Luke,

(09:58):
like go. And then this is what I was saying
to you off there before we started today when in
the diner, Luke is getting everybody out and she's starting
to really lose it and she says, Luke, I'm and
you say, I know, let's go, and I'm atrocious actor.

(10:20):
No, no no, no, that was very convincing. See even like
even you think you suck, you're better than me. I
have watched that scene three times just yesterday, and like
I said, I'm shook. Like it was so I got chills.
I was just like, oh my god, he's so dreamy
and awesome and he's just handling this and just gets

(10:46):
her up. He's but he's just doing anybody would do
that for He would have done that for Michelle, would
have done that for her if she had gotten that
phone call at the Dragonfly during the day, then they
all would have done that for her. And they would
have been there for her at the hospital. Nope, not
the way Luke did. Nope. Yes, they all would have

(11:08):
driven her. They would have been there for you, not
like the way you did where you understood why she
isn't going in that room and then drive twenty miles
an hour on the freeway. I guess it's icy. Do
you remember shooting that? How do you shoot those driving scenes?
Are you on like some weird contraption behind a car? Yeah,
we're behind a We're on a rig, behind a truck.

(11:30):
We're actually off the ground but driving. No we're no, no,
we're being driven. The car is on a dolly and
I mean it's actually moving. It's not like, yeah, we're
being pulled around. Yeah. The cameras are set up outside
the car at different angles and we just sit in
the car and I act like I'm driving. I do
this around the Warner Brothers set. Or do you go out? No? No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

(11:52):
we go we go out into the real world and
dude with a police escort. Oh yes, yes, all right,
everybody gonna take a little break. When we come back,
we're gonna talk about Jane Lynch. This is I Am
All In Podcast with Scott Patterson I Heart Radio. Hi everybody,

(12:14):
we're back. We're talking about Jane Lynch, forgiveness and stuff.
Jane Lynch played the hospital. I guess one of the
nurses check in who was preventing laure Ali from going
in and seeing her dad unless she filled out all
of those forms and that was not gonna or no, Emily,
I'm sorry, Emily and Emily, boy, what a great scene

(12:35):
that was. And you will see his he will see
his painting in the lobby. He is one of the
founders of this hospital. I immediately, WHOA, there's Jane Lynch,
but I don't remember it from twenty years ago, like
standing out. You know, you know why Jane lynn you know,
you know why Jane Lynch is a star because Jane Lynch.
I remember very distinctly that day filming with Jane Lynch,

(12:58):
and she was not Jane Lynch yet, and and she
really took that entire scene. She did those couple of scenes.
She did very very meticulous about it, very seriously. She
wanted to be as supportive and as good as she
could be and as real as she could be. Um

(13:19):
I was. I was very impressed. I mean most guest
stars do that, but not to the extent that that
she she took it. I mean, she pretty much took
over the set and it was appropriate because that was
her set. That was her space, her character space. That
is her space, not Emily space, not my space and

(13:40):
she behaved that way too, So I thought, how very
tom Brady of her. She's perfect in that. I mean,
and obviously they like her because she's she plays a
great character on Mrs mais all, Oh, yeah, she's she's done.
She's done beautiful work throughout her career. I mean over
the last she's so and Lynch. I mean, she was

(14:02):
Jane Lens back then. You could see the seats right there, like, wow,
that girl. She's super prepared. She knows what she's doing
on set. She wants to get it, not just get
it right, she wants to make it great. Um. And
so she was a great scene partner, right, I mean
I was there for all the rehearsals, and you know
I didn't I didn't really interact with her, but I

(14:23):
saw her in action. It was it was impressive. All right,
let's go, let's go back to the serious stuff and
then we'll get to the fun stuff. But like, what
else can you remember about those scenes? Because that's hard,
Like Laurea la Lauren has to cry in multiple scenes,
and then the part where she knows her dad's okay,
it just loses it and then you hug her. I'm

(14:45):
like these two people love each other, but it's you know,
even though Luke and Laurel I are just friends. And
I'm not denying the tremendous amount of feelings coming out
of Luke and maybe maybe a colonel of of something
happening on Laurels, but um, you know, circumstances have thrown
these two together. But I think he's really just acting
like any friend would act as supportive person. I again,

(15:08):
I'm not trying to diminish I'm not trying to diminish it.
He doesn't see it as an opportunity to to to
you know, to move the ball down the field as
it was on a relationship, and I I don't think
he sees it that way. And that's not how I
played it. That is I was there, I am the character.
Don't you argue with me. Okay, but here's the beauty.

(15:33):
We're going to bring in producer Riley and Danielle to
weigh in because I know you didn't play it that way,
because I think the chemistry between you and Lauren meaning
Scott and Lauren, Laura lyon Luke, whatever we want to say,
it is real. It's helpable. So as the viewer, you
don't even have to try, because it's just there. Therefore,

(15:53):
you don't have to play it. It's already there. You
just act like you just be the friend, be the
supportive person. That's it. That's the soul of any relationship anyway.
At the end of the day, your friends so be
a great friend. And that's all he was doing. That's
all he knows how to do with her. Okay, Riley, Danielle,
what do you guys think when I'm watching, I'm like,

(16:16):
he loves her so much. It wasn't even a second thought.
Boom done, dinner closed, everyone, get out, Get in my car,
we're going. And then at the hospital, laurelized, like drive
Rory home. He's like, yep, got it done. Like literally,
it was no hesitation whatsoever, which to me as a
viewer and a fan, I'm like, he loves her so much.

(16:39):
You could you could feel the raw emotions, you could
feel the intensity, you could feel it. And also even
the coffee at the end, like he went out of
his way to get her the coffee. I forgot about
the coffee. Yep, you're so right, Scott. I'm so interested.
Why you don't see it? And I don't know if
it's because your Luke or you know how you did it.

(17:00):
But these two people are in love, and I think
you're just so in it you didn't even have to
try have two words. Santa Burger sant the iconic Santa Burger.
Hey grouchy Luke who still says it's two weeks before Christmas.

(17:21):
Come on. He loves her. He's cool about it, he's
not creepy, but he just loves her and she loves him. Uh. Well,
you know, look, it's a small town. You gotta be careful.
You can't push things. You know, you want people to
continue to come to the diner, right and and and
enjoy your food. I mean, I just you know, he's

(17:44):
a very and whenever she says I'm not being flirty,
it's because she's being flirty. It's like he looked good, yeah,
and then he smiled. That's all I did. He just
looked at her and smiled. Yeah. It's it's a fun
relationship to play. It really is, because it's just like

(18:06):
a couple of I don't know, it's just like a
couple of really good friends who really like each other
and maybe something's going to happen, but nobody's pushing it.
I'm not pushing. They are a couple who just aren't
together yet exactly, and Luke is being patient. He really
because anybody else would. I mean, look what Max Medina

(18:28):
is has done. I mean he's pushing. He's pushing the
narrative like he's like a game show host for God's sake,
and like, you know, it's take take it, take the
deal now, or it's you know, it's like I want
to close this deal. And and you know, Luke's just
the opposite. It's like, yeah, I just think he's very
he's very, very careful with her because he wants to.

(18:50):
He respects that this is a small town. She has
a daughter. He doesn't want to upset her. He doesn't
want to loose who's a friendship with her, you know
what I mean. I think he I think he really
values that friendship. Right once they do this, there's no
going back, right, no, right exactly. Rory is so comfortable

(19:13):
with you. That's the other thing. It's like you're there
in this most personal scary moment for them, and there's
nothing random about you being there. It's absolutely perfectly normal
that you are there. My my favorite scene, I think
in the entire thing is when I'm bent down covering

(19:36):
my head because I was avoiding seeing anybody on the guarnee,
and and and and and Rory comes out and says,
how are you okay looking? Huh. She just keeps It's
so true. There's still laughs in there. But frankly, it
would have been weird if it was Max there. That
would have been uncomfortable for everybody, for Rory, for Lore life,

(19:59):
for Emily. But you being there is like, yeah, of
course Luke's there. He's he's handling this. But I think yes,
because he she Laurela trusts him. She trusts that he's
not going to take it too far. He's not going
to take it over the line. He's just gonna be
a rock solid friend to me and do everything I

(20:19):
asked and be there for me. He's anybody else I
think in that situation is is gonna you know, I
don't know, I mean, I mean, I don't know. I
just I just I just remember playing it like where
dear friends. I'm not thinking about the relationship at all.
I'm not trying to move the ball forward at all.

(20:42):
The balls moving itself. Nobody has to move it for us. No,
you know, it's just it's just it's just a question
of time. It's just a matter of time, and if
it's right, it's right, we'll know the moment. Yeah, And
I think that's why he's so comfortable. It's like he's
patient because I think he knows if this is real,
it'll all work out, So I don't I don't have

(21:03):
to push this. Yeah, I don't think he's walking away
from that, you know, the next morning waking up thinking, Yeah,
that's that's that's that's more coins in the bank. No,
I'm gonna be making big deposits, big withdrawals soon. That's right.
He doesn't have an agenda, doesn't any kind of agenda, Scott,

(21:24):
I have a question for Luke. Answer. He's right here
by the way to join us high Luke. So, how
did he feel at the end of the episode when
he got the new hat from water Lize. Yeah, because
she's reciprocating feelings and at that moment, don't well, you
don't seem smile a lot, do you? And he really

(21:46):
smiled on that one. I mean for him, that was
like consummating the relationship. I mean he he probably went
home and slept with a hat. Are slept with it on.
You know, that was a big deal. That was a
really big deal. And another thing that really shocked me

(22:06):
was is I used to have a lot of hair
and it was all over the place and it was
very long, and I just went, God, you know, things
change in twenty years, don't they. You look good, Actually,
you look good and I'm not being flirty. You look
really good today. I was noticing, like you seem like
you're like beIN and looking good and I'm like, Lorela,

(22:28):
I'm not flirting. I you know, I played some golf,
I went to the gym, I jumped in the pool,
and here I am, you know, tough life, okay, speaking
of two people in love like Luke and Lorely, Emily
and Richard. Wow, that scene where Richard wants to talk
about the money and the will and she says no,

(22:52):
and she says, I demand to go first. I mean,
I'm gonna like cry talking about it. But it's like
the the ease with which she she played that scene.
This is what I'm talking about. It's not fair. Women
are so much better actors than men. It's just remarkable.
She was remarking, I mean, you know, we've been getting

(23:14):
some emails about what you know, people want me to
shut up about talking about how we deserve Emmy's and
like move on and get over it, and said, no,
I'm not. I'm gonna point it out every single time
the bone heads at the at the Academy are not
watching this show because if they were and they saw
that scene. Uh, Kelly Bishops gets nominated every single year, right,

(23:37):
you know, it seems like Masal is getting the Emmy's
because of the mistakes. They didn't give them to Gilmore.
I mean because Mazel. I don't know about this recent Emmy's,
but in the past they've gotten so many nominations that
maybe they're making it up it right, I just think
it's because it's it's worthy of getting awards. It's not

(23:58):
like they feel like they're owed. But it's like maybe
just people didn't get it how how brilliant this was,
or maybe they didn't watch it enough when it was
on the first time. We have to remember that people
discovered it in the masses later they did. There was
no you know, this was the first brush with death,

(24:18):
and I think shows that are heavy with death, hospital shows,
cop shows, that kind of thing. You know, they'll get
the nominations because they're dealing with death. We we don't
deal with that stuff. This is we dealt with that
one time. M was sort of the first of the
drama tase too. I mean, I need to like check
my facts, so don't everyone cannot at me on that.
But it was a full comedy with drama. Yeah, no,

(24:42):
it was. It was a true drama ty but it
but it also you know, I've had I had this
discussion with my wife about the different facets of this
show and how many different types of comedy there are
in the show. There is, in my opinion, the funniest
moments come from the most dramatic um setups, and that's
where the real human that's when you come in with

(25:03):
a knockout punch with with a funny line or a
funny gesture or or or hesitate a pause or something
like that. It's in a dramatic situation. And there's also
kind of like sitcomy stuff in here too, so it's
sort of like there's you know, there's like there's like
bits that go on. So it's like they're they're they're,
they're they're crossing the streams and get she's crossing the

(25:24):
streams and getting away with it somehow totally. The opening
scene is a bit but I think that provided critics
or Academy members with you know, that maybe it put
a little doubt in their minds to the you know,
do the do the writers really know what the show is?
If they don't know what the show is, if it's
not you know, comedic moments coming out of dramatic situations,

(25:47):
and it's also this sort of you know, this almost
sticky kind of stuff. Um. You know, then if they
don't know what the show is, and if they don't
want to define the show narrowly enough for us, how
how are we supposed to vote for How are we
supposed to get on board with it? Because maybe they
felt that that the writing was a little bit out
of control and a little bit on disciplined. You know.
I don't know, I can't get in their heads. But

(26:08):
it was ahead of its time, Yes, I think it was.
It seamlessly um embraced all different forms of comedy. Um.
He's the opening scene where they're getting ready for the
I don't even really know what they're getting ready for.
The Christmas Story, the play, the in a Manger. I
don't know what they're doing what are they doing? They're

(26:30):
like getting ready to do the telling of Jesus Nativity,
and the baby's missing its arm and then the dog
has it in the arm. And the baby is a girl,
which Danielle noticed, and not a boy. Well Rory noticed.
It was like, you might want to get a doll
that's not a girl. Baby Jesus, you know. And so

(26:52):
much is happening because Kirk is back and he's being funny.
But then that scene also shows us that Rory and
Lorea Lie are not getting along still. There's all that tension,
but it's all with this crazy hoop blah and you're
seeing the town. I mean, there's so much happening in
that scene. Well that's why all those characters were created,

(27:15):
so you could do that kind of stuff. It's all
sort of background. You know. Let's now we can use
Miss Patty and Taylor and Sean and you know we can,
really we can. We can do this scene where there's
tension between mother and daughter and backdrop as the wacky town.
So it keeps it light, it keeps it all very

(27:36):
kind of light, and in that the delivery is very pleasant,
but then it's sort of resonates on a deeper level
because of the backdrop, because it's so contrasting. Well, and
then it's so funny because that sets us up because
Rory is telling Lane they're calling him our gilepsy boys.

(27:57):
So then later on when we get the joke when
Lauren makes the quick, you know, witty remark about an
arcolepsy boy, I mean, it's all just so hilarious. So
much time in that hospital was much time. I think
it's just because you have a harder time watching you
and you were in a straight twenty minutes of that show.

(28:21):
I think I was still figuring out the character. I
was still trying to find the character with the accent
and you know, his level of energy and that kind
of thing. And I liked I actually liked what I
did in this episode because I pulled pulled it back
way back. And I think that's where I'm best is
if I just don't lean on it so much, you know,

(28:43):
because I have a tendency to be a little intense.
And did you think you were leaning on it too
much in this I know I liked it because I
was laid back and just you know, just sort of supporting,
supporting supporting, supporting in this as a friend in this
horrible situation, you know, and just trying to be you
know and not be you know. I mean it's it's

(29:05):
in the writing and tells you what you do anyway.
So yeah, but I liked it. I liked I liked
the whole thing, and I the toughest parts about the
episode for me was reacting to the people that were
being wheeled by and grossing me out, you know, because
the whole episode, because there's just so much going on,

(29:26):
and I think that's why it's so entertaining, and I
I say, that's why we can watch it three times
in two days and you're like, it's still good. Yeah,
because it's a big tease for the audience because you know,
all of the unanswered question is rich You're gonna die?
Are Emily and Laurela are gonna reconcile our Luke and

(29:46):
Laurela I finally gonna you know, get I mean, there's
so many The tension that is that is created with
with the writing is marvelous because it's coming at you
from all angles all the time. Did anyone catch the
Moorla calls you honey? Yes? I did catch that you know,

(30:08):
I didn't know if it was intentional. I didn't know
if she's sort of She's not a honey baby hooky type,
so it was like, wow, oh, what do you make
of that. I just think that he's again, and I've
said it before. I just think he's afraid of her.
I'm he's afraid of getting rejected by somebody that he

(30:28):
desires so much and that he sees a future with.
He wants that's his forever woman. There's nobody else for him.
But he doesn't want to make the move yet. He
wants to make sure that it's solid that she feels
the same way. And he definitely doesn't want to screw
up Rory's life by coming in. And you know, if

(30:48):
the relationship doesn't work out, that drama for Rory, that's
tension for Rory. He doesn't want that. So he is
you know, he really is a throwback guy. He's a
really selfless guy. Um and he's very very careful with
her because he's going to survive without her, And I
think that's part of his appeal to her eventually, like

(31:09):
he's gonna be okay without me because he's Luke and
he's just gonna go and he's going to open the
dinner every morning, and he's gonna work hard and that's
what he does and that's who he is. And um,
but wouldn't life be so much sweeter with her? Right? Yeah,
he's in denial by about how much happier he could
be if he'd let her in. But he's so afraid

(31:31):
of all the things you're saying. But it's like that's
the unknown, you know. It's like he maybe he's not aware.
He probably well, he obviously feels in the moment that
it could be much sweeter, but on it consistently because
he's a guy who's like a day and day out guy.
What's it gonna be like every day? And he sees
what she goes through with her mother and all the

(31:51):
you know, the whacking is that the surrounding this woman
that comes into her diner, his dinner like a tornado
every day, you know, uh, with with the moods changing
all the time, and you he honestly doesn't know if
he can keep up with her. I think I think
that's one of the reasons. Here's what's coming into my mind,
and I can see it so vividly, the pain on

(32:14):
your face when you saw her when you were with
the reenactors and she's walking with Max through town, and
it's like that face, that pain, that emotion comes back
to my mind and it's like, I it's like I
saw that yesterday because we all know that feeling, and
Luke felt that, and it's like that's when I knew,

(32:34):
like this guy loves her. And then everything just completely
proves it. Everybody has been in that situation. That is
a universal feeling. That's why I was so powerful. I
don't know that it was anything I did or or
that in particular, it was just everybody can relate to that.
You know. Everybody has that person in their life or

(32:56):
had that person in their life where they're just like
they felt so powerless to do anything about it. Maybe
it was too late, oh the one that got away.
It's it's just it's just an incredibly smart way for
the writers to set those characters up because it's a
universal experience. Everybody has gone through that and multiple times. Yeah,

(33:18):
I think it's really weird, But what's happening to me
right now? And I want to see what everyone thinks.
Two scenes stand out to me so much of the
episodes we've seen so far, that moment when Luke sees
her walking and I can just feel the pain. And
then the other one is when Lane put her hands
through that guy's hair because it was so embarrassing. And

(33:40):
both of those scenes are like literally imprinted in my brain.
And I don't know why those two are the two,
but it's like, oh God, because they were non verbals.
And that's the power of TV and that's the power,
that's the true power of film. Oh, it's it's it's
it's moving pictures. It's not called moving words. It's called

(34:05):
moving pictures, motion pictures, pictures in motion. Yeah, man, yeah, yeah,
the non verbal devastation. Right, Yeah, those two are actions.
I can see them. I can see them in my head.
It's like Ham. All he does is talk and give speeches.

(34:26):
He doesn't do anything right. It's a triumph of thought
over action, character over plot. Alright, guys, let's take a
little break. I'm Scott Patterson. This is the I Am
All In podcast with My Heart Radio. We'll be back
after these works. Yeah, all right, everybody, we're back. We're

(34:48):
gonna we're talking funny stuff. What's the funny stuff. Well,
there is some funny stuff and there obviously narcilepsy boy
A little fun fact. Lauren calls for lore Lie says
that Dean is six but in real life, Jared is
how lucky is six four? And I don't know if
they did that on purpose or just they didn't want
him to seem so gigant or well, he was what

(35:09):
seventeen eighteen at the time. Maybe he was just six too.
Oh maybe still gross, a little Grossbert, What did you
think of the dinner party, the holiday fake Christmas party?
I gave Dean's I gave Jared some tips on nutrition
and weightlifting. Is that true? That's true. Yes, he was
very concerned about it because he thought he was too

(35:31):
lean or he wanted to know how he could bulk up.
What did you say. I said, there isn't a damn
thing you can do about it, That's true. I said,
you'd have to bulk up when you were playing baseball. Yeah, yeah,
I did, but I had, you know, and I'm like him,
I'm naturally thin. And I said, there is nothing you

(35:51):
can do about it without like completely like ruining your
body because you like eat too much or something. I
have no idea. I bulked up through Yeah, eating and weightlifting,
and it just wasn't a good idea for sports. For
for when I played baseball, it wasn't a good idea.
What happens. No, I gained, you know, I gained a

(36:15):
lot of muscle. I was, you know, I got up
to about two pounds. How tall are you? I'm a
shade under six one. So do you remember Jared being
tall or were you pretty Eyeline with him? Now he
was a little bit taller. Yeah, but he really he
wanted to beef up and he wanted to like, hey,
you know, what what can I do? Because I remember

(36:35):
at that time, I was beef I was. I was
working out on the gym a lot, you know, because
I was on this show and my free time, I'd
go work out just to you know, get my energy.
And that's how I did it. So I was, I was,
I was getting a little bit beefy, a little bit,
you know, when I was doing it for skiing too,
because I love this gate. So I wanted to be
strong and powerful for skiing, not for Laura Lae. What about. Yes,

(36:58):
that's the reason. That's what I can't talk about. That's
the only reason strong and powerful. But I didn't feel
like you were strong and powerful so so, but yeah,
he was, and I gave him some tips. But I
just said, listen, you're just gonna have to get older,
I said. He said, you're gonna be thin your whole life.

(37:18):
But if you start eating a lot of carbohydrates when
you when you hit fifty five, you're gonna you're gonna
put all up pounds. Just stop working out. I don't
think he's quite there yet. We'll have to see, as
I don't know he's as far as young. I think
he's like he's ripped. He's thirty nine and he's ripped.
Before we get into pop culture, Scott, it's Christmas. Can

(37:43):
you sing us a little Christmas song to get in
the mood for our pop culture moments? Sure? Yeah, yeah,
I think I happen to have a guitar right here.
Thank you in the Chris miss spirit because I'm assuming
next week is going to be Christmas, so we really

(38:03):
got to get ourselves sing along with me now. Jingle bells,
jingle bells, Jingle all the way? Now, what fun is?
One horse soup and sligh jingle bell jingle bell jingle
all the way? Oh, what fun is? And on one

(38:27):
hole Soap? And Sligh one hole soup and Sligh one
horse open. Well, it's beautiful. I'm Riley and this is
your pop culture. It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.
This song was written by Meredith Wilson. Meredith Wilson incorporated

(38:50):
this song into his nineteen sixty three musical Here's Love.
This song has been recorded by numerous artists such as
Michael blue Way, Harry Connick Jr. And Megan Trainer, to
name a few. How about Jimmy Hoffa says Luke. Jimmy
Hoffa was an American labor union leader who served as
the president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters from nineteen

(39:11):
fifty seven to nineteen seventy one. He disappeared in nineteen
seventy five and was declared dead in two because I
gotta do what I gotta do. Yeah, I gotta do it.
This is because he became involved with organized crime, which
potentially led to his death. He was convicted of jury tampering,
attempted bribery, and fraud. Do you remember the Jack Nicholson

(39:33):
film where he played half A? Did you do you
remember Halfa? Do you remember that film? Literally when he
goes up to what a performance. I mean when he
goes up to when he's like going toe to tell
with Bobby Kennedy, who was an Attorney general at the time.
He hated his guts. This is all blurry in real
life and in the movie it's blurry because I gotta

(39:56):
do what I gotta dope. Oh man, what a performance,
Laura Lie. I'll never be able to understand what Charro
was saying. Charo, you know, Charo was a guest on
Johnny Carson Johnny Tonight Show. I don't know. She was
on like almost every week, and she would come on

(40:20):
like I mean, dressed to the nines, you know, the
overflowing up top, if you know what I mean. And
she did that when she wasn't on the Love Boat.
But this was even before she was on I think
this was even before she was on the Love Boat.
She was on Carson, I mean almost weekly. He loved her.
He loved her. She would come out and crack everybody up.

(40:42):
And who doesn't love She was just so positive and
full of energy and and and funny and talented and
she played the flamenco guitar. Yeah, she's legit. She's legit,
like talented musician singer and players she put Gucci Coucci.

(41:02):
I got a lot of the Gucci Coucci. Charo's full
name is Maria del Rosario, Mercedes Pilar Martinez Molina Beza
and as we've mentioned, Charo made many appearances on the
Love Boat Between n I just I just remember from

(41:23):
the Johnny Carson Show. She was fantastic. She was a
great guest. She was almost she was you know that
he had some great guests, uh, Don Rickles and Dom
Deloise and all those people, hysterical people. She would come
out and like to stay. I mean, she wouldn't stop talking.
She was just like amazing, amazing personality. Agree, Riley and Danielle.

(41:45):
Do you know who Charo is? I know. I only
know Charo because she made an appearance on Jane the Virgin,
which is one of my favorite show. I thought you
were gonna say, wife swap go back YouTube her Charo,
Johnny Carson, just check her out. You're sitting there as
a kid watching this, going do people like this really exist? Like?

(42:08):
What is this? This is fantastic? I need one more
Kuchi COUCHI from Scott Hi, Johnny Cochichi. Laurliz says, where
is the Scarecrow when you need him. This reference is
this to the Scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz American
musical fantasy film produced by Metro Goldwyn Mayor. The Scarecrow

(42:31):
joins Dorothy and the hope that the Wizard will give
him a brain. The Scarecrow was played by Ray Bulger,
and the face prosthetics he wore ended up leaving Marx
on his face for more than a year. Yeah, they do.
I lost face. What did you wear? Prosthetics? They had
to put a head on a headpiece on me every
morning for six weeks. When I played this alien alien

(42:54):
nation did I played the tank Tanese commander coming to
Earth doing to enslave all of the escaped uh tank
Tannis and get him back on my plane for you.
On that show I remember, you know it was it
was It was a TV movie. It was I wasn't
in the series. It was a TV movie. I remember
a different show that I don't know what's called, but
there was like you were like in a plane and

(43:16):
like there was an explosion. That was that was the
event on Nbcito at the show actually ended up like
a plane crash. Um. That was pretty good. But you know,
they would glue that headpiece on you with medical adhesive
and it would take them an hour to get it
off you because they had to be very careful. Um.

(43:40):
I mean I was there. I was in the makeup
chair at three thirty in the morning for for seven
or eight o'clock. Called time. Makes you kind of love
Luke that much more right in there. Throw a hat on,
throw a little powder on me. I'm you know, I'm good.
I lived six miles away from the studio. I just
jam in their fifteen minutes form a call time, put
my hat on. They throw a little powder on me.

(44:02):
I'm gonna sit down on the chair. I said, just
throw it up in the air. I'll run through it.
I'm outta here. Oh my god. And those poor girls,
I mean Laura and Alexis and the poor girls are
sitting in the big up chair for hours and hours
getting the hair done, the megup perfect. It's like, hey,
you're telling everybody I'm gonna be a breakfast bye bye.
Oh my god. Oh yeah, oh yeah. But that was
a different experience. Yeah that so that rips your face

(44:24):
apart with you that medical adhesive for six weeks like that, man,
I my face was all jacked up for a year. Anyway,
go ahead. Our last pop culture references from Rory Roy says,
no things are still a miracle Worker at my house.
Miracle Worker is a nineteen sixty two film about An Sullivan,
a blind tutor to Helen Keller, directed by Arthur Pennon.
Helen Keller was great friends with Mark Twain, and although

(44:46):
Patty Duke had been playing helen Keller in the play
for more than a year, she almost didn't get the
part in the film adaptation. The studio felt that, being
a teenager, she looked too old to play a seven
year old. Also, Helen Keller wrote a total of twelve books.
I'm ready to give my line, but Scott, can you
do it with me? Because then it'll just be that
much better? What's your line? When I said before, I'm

(45:09):
gonna do my part and then your part is? I know?
Let's go all right? Right? Okay? You want to you
kind of want to do that reenacting thing. You want
to you want to reenact, you want to recta getting character.
I'm gonna just have to really do my best acting here. Okay, ready,
you don't know, you don't you're a woman. You can
do it in your sleep. I'm the one that has
to prepare. I have to be serious. This is very

(45:32):
emotional moment. Luke. I'm just cut stop right, stop it,
stop it. I'm you can't smile while you're doing it.
Give me some directions. I don't stop smiling. All right, listen,

(45:55):
all right, you want to do a sense memory exercise
right here? I'll get you in the movie. Yeah you
got time for that, all right? So what do you
what do you want? You want to be? You want
to cry a little bit, you freak out a little bit.
You're on the You're on the edge. You're on the
verge of tears. The energy is flying around because my
dad's in the hospital. I don't know what's going on.
I only know to go to the hospital. I don't
know where Roary is. I don't know where my mom is.

(46:15):
No one's answering the phone. I don't know what I go.
Talk to the dialect right now, go, Luke. I'm no
like you were doing it before. Luke, I'm I know.
Let's go. You have to say, oh, let's do it again? Okay,
Oh I nailed it back time. Now I have to

(46:36):
under yes, you do you right? Sit on and feel it,
but then sit on it. Go Luke, I'm do it
again again. That was good. That was good, getting better good.
That was good. But but don't lose the energy. You're
going limp. Now you're getting at where you need to be.
But don't lose that energy. Remember Stanislavsky said, inspiration quick

(46:57):
as flame, god acting as hard. It's not easy, Luke.
I know. Let's go all close at dinner and we
can drive twenty on the black ice all the way
up to Hartford and you can drive me crazy on
the way. You can piss and moan the whole way.
Well done, guys. Wow, I felt that that was That

(47:19):
was a pretty good performance. I thought, I thought, I
thought that was good. That was good. I think you
helped a lot. I mean, I'd like to try that
bit again and maybe by the end of the ten
years we do this podcast. Go ahead, let's do it again.
We can do full scene. Find a new I'll find
something new in the next episode. No, but you got
you got you know what. Let me tell you something, Amy,

(47:40):
You've got something there. There's something going on there, there's
something interesting. Thank you, thank you. I'll try and I'll
try and up my game. But there's some depth, there's
some mystery, there's there there are layers there, Amy, Sugarman,
I don't think so what's your blind you deliver girl? Okay,

(48:02):
Mine's mind's fun though, so no problem delivering it. Um.
This is from Laura Lae when Dean's tapping on the window,
like trying to see Rory on Christmas or when she
was at the Christmas party. Um, and she goes, you know,
we have a really nice friend door. You might want
to use it sometime. I just loved it. Mine is
from Emily and she's, you know, going back with Jane

(48:24):
Lynch and talking back with Laura Lae and then she
stops her to tracks and she goes, Brianna, date, you
have an escort st I know, I love that. You know.
We actually have a listener question about this episode. So um,
I'll go ahead and read it. It's from Grace. Grace Um,

(48:45):
she wrote in and she asked, when was it decided
for Luke to change the blue hat after Forgiveness and Stuff,
which is the title of this episode, or was that
something that Amy and Dan had planned all along to
advance the Laura Lae and Luke storyline. Well, I suggested
at a top secret dinner. I refer to it as

(49:06):
the Hat dinner with Amy and Dan, and I said, listen,
I have blue eyes, and I think I should have
a blue hat. Good story. That's where it came from.
So that's why Laura ly gives Luke the blue hat.
I give good, I give good dinner. Wow, do you

(49:26):
reme where the hat dinner was? They ordered lobster in
and you went to their home or at the set? No, no, no, no,
we went to a restaurant and oh oh they had
lobster at the restaurant you were at. What did you have?
I think if I go to a fancy schmancy place,

(49:48):
I always get the Phili Mignon or a Prime rip
or something. So it's hot, dear dinner dinner good. Yeah,
we're We were in the private room too. It was
a big deal. Security outside no season one, dude, no

(50:11):
one knew who you were. Okay, give us your favorite line,
take us out. What was your favorite line from this episode?
I gotta tell you, um, my favorite line in the
entire thing was yeah, when I just said to Rory, yeah,

(50:32):
when I has been over it was. It's the one
that made me chuckle. The most. And then because it's
made me chuckle and the other the other favorite line
that's not me um is Michelle. Uh what did he
say when he was he was so irritated at the
guy who didn't know what a um a wand was

(50:54):
remember on the Christmas ornament on the Christmas tree when
there he said, he goes, No, that's staff because he
went to the shepherd. He went, he said, that's not
that's not an angel with a wander. That's not a
fairy fairy princess or whatever the anyway, I don't even
know what the line was, but he said, he said,
he Michelle kills me. I mean, he just killed. His

(51:17):
timing is so good and he just gets so irritated
with that guy. And I just laughed out loud. I
mean I laughed right away. Or that was my whatever
the line was, that was my favorite line. It's still
like when you called it her parents fate Christmas party.
That's good stuff. What's next week? What's the next episode?
The next episode is Paris is burning? Oh gosh, scary.

(51:47):
Oh wait, before we go, nobody should miss uh. Soon
we're gonna put up our tutorial video of how to
make the Santa Burger. Be ready for that on the
Instagram and send us your own Santa Burgers. Oh my god,
so yeah, I get ready for that. It's going to
be fun Instagram. Listen, everybody, Happy holidays, Merry Christmas to everybody.

(52:13):
Um really, just I hope you have a wonderful holiday
in July. And uh anyway, so that's so that's gonna
wrap it up. Huh, good work, good episode, all right, bye.

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