May 20, 2025 • 20 mins
Lorelai and Rory take a road trip to Harvard—but something doesn’t look quite right…
Is the photo of the Valedictorian Erika Hilson Palmer telling us something more about Lorelai’s life?
Plus, the engagement with Max is off and this begs us asking for more answers and theories.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Am all in again. Oh it's you. I Am
All in Town meeting with Suzanne French and Tara suit
(00:22):
An iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode
of I'm All in Town Meeting with myself, Tara, and Susanne.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello. We're talking about Season two, Episode four, road Trip
to Harvard, which aired October twenty three, two thousand and one,
and this is a special episode I kind of forget,
you know, it's really funny. Out of all things that
I distinctly remember about this episode is the outfit that
Rory wore going to Harvard, because she had this thick
(00:55):
gray sweater wrapped around her and I was like, oh, yeah,
she's going Harvard because of this outfit.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I hated the T shirt she had on. I even
mentioned it to my husband, like it just was I
don't know, it was too tight. And when they were
standing there staring at the library and she just was
she like standing like just in this weird position, her
mouth was hanging open. I don't know, I just I
did not like that outfit.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I didn't mind it, but I was just like, why'd
they give her this giant gray sweater to wrap around her? Waist.
Mind you if you remember back then, it was totally
instyl to wrap around yeah, and then it like went
away and it was like such a like not cool
thing to do. And I always tie my sweater around
my waist now, like always because I'm like, well it's hot,
(01:43):
so but I'm gonna be cold later. But like for
a TV show for them to just like have her
wrap around this sweater was it was just so funny
to me. I was like, Laurelin doesn't have a sweater on, yeah,
or maybe she did, but it wasn't wrapped. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It was just and the other since we're talking fashion
at the end, the last scene, the sideways baseball cap
on Rory, that was not working for me.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh, speaking of hats, while we're here, the man in
the diner with this blue, wrinkly bucket hat kiss me
off the whole time, and he was right in the shot.
And then actually Luke mentioned like, oh, nice hat, like
or whatever. I'm like, no, this hat was so distracting
in the diner. It was pissing me off there. You know.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I think that we could do like a whole episode
about bad hats in this series because there's a problem
with hats.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It was just wrinkly, Like why why couldn't we like
iron it out a little? You know what I mean?
It was like they found and also what was the
point of the hat? Like, yeah, it wasn't needed. And
it was.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Saying that sarcastically because he was like making fun of it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I don't know, maybe, but like I don't know, it
was just we didn't need the hat. Yeah, no, it
was just it was just funny. I'm so happy you
also noticed that hat, because I was like, God, damn,
this stupid hat.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
The hats were bad.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You know. The interesting thing about this episode and when
it comes to doing our town meeting is when you're
out of the town, I don't have much to like
call out because we're in such a different place. However,
I do know that Harvard is actually UCLA. It is
which is the school that you went to?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I did?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I did?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I went to UCLA. So when they first the very
first time I saw this episode and I saw them
standing there, I'm like, that is UCLA. Like I knew
it immediately, and I can picture, like I know, watching
the whole thing, I could picture exactly where they were
in everything.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh that's what I was gonna ask. I was gonna say, like,
do you know what building these were? And yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So the funny part was that when they first get
there and they're standing there looking at the gate, when
they're looking through the gate, that was in the sculpture garden.
But when when the so when the camera's looking at
them from the back there in one yeah, but when
the camera's looking at them from the front, they're in
a completely different place.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well you can tell because the lighting. There's sun hitting
them from the back or from the side. So then
I was like, they totally just shot this, Like was
it still on UCLA property just a different place.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, it's on campus. It just was in a different spot.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I could tell because the lighting and it was bugging
me right there.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I noticed that too. There was another scene too
where they were uh oh, when they were at the
coffee cart and it was sunny, and then when they're
walking across the lawn it was all of a sudden overcast.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, yeah, which is I guess. You know, it's hard
to do when you're you can't control the weather, right.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Especially if you only have like if you have to
get everything done in one day and it takes time
to shift and move everything.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, it can happen. I feel like the chessure Cat
was like such a thing, but it was only in
this episode, right, we don't see it again?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
They so, yeah, we only saw it in this episode.
Although in the the episode where the independence in burns down,
they mentioned the cheshire Cat, but it doesn't It sounds
like they're not referring to this place.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's like they just read yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Because Michelle's on the phone and he's like, is this
the cheshire Cat? Do you have any job openings? Like
the all the fires happening. But they're trying to put
guests there too, so it wouldn't be close enough if
it's chesher Cat, it wouldn't be close enough for them
to put guests there.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
No, they took a I think they just pulled road
trip to get to the chesshure Cat.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, it was. It was so I don't know. I
thought those scenes were hilarious.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Though, Oh my god, when she literally when they go
into the room and they open the door and lare
realize like, ah, what's wrong. She's like flowers, so many flowers.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I have researched this and I didn't come up with anything,
but there. I don't know if if any of our
listeners will remember this, but there was a short story
I read it in college in an English class called
The Yellow Wallpaper, and it was about this woman who's
I can't remember the exact story, but her husband like
puts her, he like puts her.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
In a room.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's like a mental health thing, and she starts to
see the wallpaper like coming alive, and it's like really creepy,
and she's like kind of descending into further into mental illness.
And I almost wonder like if that was a very
oblique reference to that short story, because it's the it's
this yellow floral wallpaper and they're talking about how it's
(06:40):
moving because it's you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
About the fact I wouldn't be surprised knowing Amy and Dan.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, because Amy's very literary, so I I but it's
it's not a like super well known short story, but
it just always made me wonder like it just made
an impression on me when I read it thirty years ago,
and so I immediately thought of that when I.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I loved the moment where they're like we have like
a nine minute window or whatever time they said to
go get food and they go down there and everyone's
bird watching, and I know, we don't.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Put things like this on the freaking list.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It kind of gave us the quirkiness of stars Hollow
that we didn't get in a different town.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It really did, like it really would have fit right
in with stars Hollow.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, it wouldn't have been surprised if it was like
the next town over and then they're like there was
a whole like storyline with the Cheshire Like I kind
of would have liked it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But yeah, yeah, I thought it was great. And the
actress that played Ladawn, I've seen her in other things.
She was I don't know if you ever saw bless
this Mess. It was. It only had two seasons. It
was with Dax Shephard and Rose Abdu was actually in.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It, oh okay, and it was very it was.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
About it was kind of the stereotypical story this New
York young couple moves to farm country to it was
like a green Acre's kind of story. Almost. Yeah, it's
like this town full of quirky people, just like stars Hollow.
And she was one of the one of the people
in the town in that series. And she was really
good and She also played in My Name Is Earl.
(08:13):
She played them she was Earl's mom for Oh, okay,
so I've seen her so she was great. And then
I don't know anybody who remembers la Law. Susan Rutan
was the couple that Rory was talking to when Laurel
I went to make a phone call and she was, yeah,
it was for l A Law. So it was nice
to see her again.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Okay, I don't know, I have never seen anything they
were in, but they were great in this episode.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I just the whole, the whole little inn I
just thought was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So cute. A couple of call outs I had was
some of the scenes at Harvard. I was really like,
who's whose dorm door is? Just and then you're gonna
go in it and sit on the bed. Yeah, and
(09:06):
mind you. I thought it was really funny the like
you know Susie, like there's a thirty percent chance her
name is Susie like Lauren or sorry Loralai being like
quirky like that was really fun, but it was just
like not realistic to like just walk into someone's dorm
And also like, don't like dorms. I never lived in
a dorm. But like both of those buildings have like
(09:28):
key cards to like scan in, so.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, they they do. So that part was a little
unrealistic because even when I lived in a dorm in
the nineties, we had to swipe our badge to get
in like our student id cars.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And even then your door is not left wide open.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, no, we did. It depends on the dorm that
you lived in. Because some of the dorms only had
one bathroom per floor, so it wasn't that uncommon you'd
prop your door open if you were just gonna run
to the bathroom and come out. Oh okay, I don't
know that that was necessarily I mean we saw the room.
There was no bathroom in there, so.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
There was barely room for a bed, right, So when.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That part was okay to me because we did do that,
like you'd prop out it open and run like or
you'd okay, so you know, take your friend, you know,
borrow a pen or something like, you might do that.
But it was still it made me nervous when she
was in there though, I'm like, get out of the room,
get out of the radow.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
The whole time I couldn't pay attention to the scene
because I was like, the person living in this room
is about to walk in.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And I did notice that when Laurlai took the picture
of Rory at the desk, she sets her coffee cup
down and then she leaves without her coffee cup.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So I did notice that, and also she like completely
like well, I couldn't at first. I was like, is
this her notebook? And I'm like, oh no, it's a
notebook just there and she just like shuts it and
moves on. But yeah, she loft the coffee cup.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The lecture hall that they were in. I thought that
was a cute scene. Marory just like jumps in and
starts participating.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
She was always yeah, so yes. And then when you know,
when Laura I is outside looking at the Valedictorians. Okay,
so I had to stop the episode because they zoomed
in on one specific person and lorale I kept looking
at someone named Erica Hilson Palmer, and I was like,
(11:27):
did I miss something from the show? Like is this
someone that like I was supposed to know about or
then I'm like racking my brain of like do we
see this person in the future? And I found this
article if you guys google, like who is Erica Hilson
Palmer and Gilmore girls. It's like the top article that
comes up. It's really long, so I'm not going to
read it for you, But basically they were they think,
(11:50):
like there is a theory could be wrong that this
is someone that Laura I knew like growing up, because
it said she graduated in nineteen ninety and it would
have lined up with when Laura I graduated college. So
(12:11):
it literally just could have been someone she knew, and
she's looking at like the life she maybe could have had.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, I partially agree with that. I don't think she
actually knew that person, but I think she did. I
think she was thinking this could have been me because
she would have been the class of nineteen ninety and
she did. At the end of the episode, when she's
back at Luke's diner, she says to him how she
was thinking about all the things she had to give up, Yeah,
(12:41):
because of her situation and the things that might have
been that weren't ever gonna happen now. So I think
it's true that she's thinking about the possibilities of like
what if I had been able.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
To go to college because of her graduating years.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, but I don't think she necessarily knew that person.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, which is what people were saying, like it could
have been specifically about the year because there's only one
valedictorian a year. I would think, yeah, typically typically, so
it would have been nineteen ninety. But I think it
just threw me off because I was like, and it
kept going. It wasn't like a second like it was.
(13:18):
It showed her, and then it showed Laura, and then
it showed her again, and I'm like, is this something
I missed missing?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, And they showed it again after Laura, after Rory
comes out of the classroom, they start to walk away,
she like looks at it again as they're passing by.
So they aid a point to show it for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
To show it. Yeah, But you know, the more I
think about it, it definitely had to do with the
year because I kind of I didn't fully connect the
dots of I was just thinking of the person and
not the year. But when you say at the end
where she was talking to Luke about like, oh what
could have been and this and that, it was more of, Yeah,
(13:55):
if she was graduating that year and she didn't have Rory,
what would life be like?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah? My only bone to pick with this episode is
when they come home and they pull up to the
house and lorele I sees there's like, we don't know
yet what she's seeing, but she gets a look on
her face because she sees something. And then it turns
out she's looking at the hoopa that's still in front
of the front door. I when I first watched the
(14:23):
episode way back when I thought Max was gonna be
sitting there.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Oh, and when she's.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Looking at the hoopa, I was kind of disappointed, like
because we never saw Max getting the news that the
wedding is off. Oh, you're right, And so I've always
felt like, I mean, that's kind of just how Amy
Sherman Palladino works, Like she leaves the important things to
your imagine, like she'll hint at it, but yeah, you
(14:51):
leave stuff to your imagination. But it's that that one
thing is just kind of always bugged me that we
never saw Max getting the news. So I assume that
Laura I must have called him at some point during
she didn't leave him at the altar because the wedding
hasn't happened.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It hasn't happened, you know, I'm gonna say she never
called him, and like Suki made the call or something.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Maybe I don't know, that's a lot to put on Suki, though.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Suki told the whole town.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, but Suki told Miss Patty and.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
The true, true, true.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
But that would be a lot to put on your
best friend, Like can you call my fiance and tell
him I'm not going to marry him?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Like that's but just knowing knowing Laurela, I, I I
don't think that she called him right away, mind you.
I think she called him eventually, but I feel like
she left town and then decided when she call him.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, I don't think she called him before they left town.
But but then when they meet up later, like there's
something there's there's an episode I want to say, season
three where she meets up with him again at when
they were going to be on CNN or something, and
(16:07):
when Paris finds out she didn't get into Harvard anyways.
That episode, she runs into him and she makes the
comment about how like I never talked to you or
we never talked about it. She says something about how
they never talked about it. But I can't believe that
she just didn't tell him at that, like she couldn't
(16:27):
just disappear.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
She probably just left a voicemail, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And that could be it. Yeah, maybe she did, but
we just never know, so we just have to imagine
what we think happened, because they never do tell us.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, if it was up to me, I would think
she made the decision, left town and was like, how
am I going to tell him this? And then she
called him when she knew that he wasn't going to
be home. She left a voicemail and that was the
end of it. And they never had because I think
even if like he did pick up the phone hypothetically,
like that would be an exchange of a conversation, but
(17:02):
it sounds like from and I don't remember the scene.
I know, I remember the gist of the scene. I
don't remember exactly what was said that you're talking about
in that episode, but from that, it makes me feel
like he never got to say his piece, and so
it was just it was larelized decision and that was it.
And like then at the end when they're at the
(17:22):
Gilmour's house and she's telling Emily, and Emily's like whose
decision was? And she was like mine. It was very
just like there was no conversation. I made the decision.
I did like going to that scene. I did like
the banter about the gift, yes, and I did like
that Emily didn't give her that heart of a time, like,
(17:44):
she didn't really give her hard time. She kind of
was just like. But then again, I think that Emily
didn't want her to get married, so maybe internally she
was happy about it.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, I think Emily is still holding out for Lorelei
to find somebody that is of the appropriate So standing
yes for Emily's opinion, but yeah, I think I think
she had kind of accepted it because she knows that
she can't. She's not gonna change Laurelized mind on anything.
(18:13):
So I think she was you know, she got them
a gift and all that, but I think she was
happy that it wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And the next episode is I am so excited And
I know our producer Jackie has never seen this either.
Next episode is season two, episode five, Nick and Nora
sit and Nancy and if you don't know, this is
where we see Jess for the first time.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
This is one of my favorite episodes in the entire
seventh season.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It's so good on again. Okay, so I didn't know
this is the one that Jess. So you guys did
a little spoil what we I bet you We're gonna
get off the zoom and Jackie's gonna go watch it
the second.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's so good. I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I can't wait. I feel like the next episode. Do
we need Jackie, We need you to give us your
take on your first impression of Jess because of someone,
I don't know what it's like to have that feeling again, satisfaction.
I will for sure write notes and give you my take.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Okay cool.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Jackie will jump in next week and we'll talk to
her about it. But until next week, meeting adjourn everybody,
(19:56):
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In podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
I Am all in again. Oh it's you. I Am
All in Town meeting with Suzanne French and Tara suit
(00:22):
An iHeartRadio podcast. Hey guys, welcome back to another episode
of I'm All in Town Meeting with myself, Tara, and Susanne.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Hello. We're talking about Season two, Episode four, road Trip
to Harvard, which aired October twenty three, two thousand and one,
and this is a special episode I kind of forget,
you know, it's really funny. Out of all things that
I distinctly remember about this episode is the outfit that
Rory wore going to Harvard, because she had this thick
(00:55):
gray sweater wrapped around her and I was like, oh, yeah,
she's going Harvard because of this outfit.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I hated the T shirt she had on. I even
mentioned it to my husband, like it just was I
don't know, it was too tight. And when they were
standing there staring at the library and she just was
she like standing like just in this weird position, her
mouth was hanging open. I don't know, I just I
did not like that outfit.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
I didn't mind it, but I was just like, why'd
they give her this giant gray sweater to wrap around her? Waist.
Mind you if you remember back then, it was totally
instyl to wrap around yeah, and then it like went
away and it was like such a like not cool
thing to do. And I always tie my sweater around
my waist now, like always because I'm like, well it's hot,
(01:43):
so but I'm gonna be cold later. But like for
a TV show for them to just like have her
wrap around this sweater was it was just so funny
to me. I was like, Laurelin doesn't have a sweater on, yeah,
or maybe she did, but it wasn't wrapped. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
It was just and the other since we're talking fashion
at the end, the last scene, the sideways baseball cap
on Rory, that was not working for me.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh, speaking of hats, while we're here, the man in
the diner with this blue, wrinkly bucket hat kiss me
off the whole time, and he was right in the shot.
And then actually Luke mentioned like, oh, nice hat, like
or whatever. I'm like, no, this hat was so distracting
in the diner. It was pissing me off there. You know.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
I think that we could do like a whole episode
about bad hats in this series because there's a problem
with hats.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
It was just wrinkly, Like why why couldn't we like
iron it out a little? You know what I mean?
It was like they found and also what was the
point of the hat? Like, yeah, it wasn't needed. And
it was.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Saying that sarcastically because he was like making fun of it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I don't know, maybe, but like I don't know, it
was just we didn't need the hat. Yeah, no, it
was just it was just funny. I'm so happy you
also noticed that hat, because I was like, God, damn,
this stupid hat.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
The hats were bad.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You know. The interesting thing about this episode and when
it comes to doing our town meeting is when you're
out of the town, I don't have much to like
call out because we're in such a different place. However,
I do know that Harvard is actually UCLA. It is
which is the school that you went to?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I did?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I did?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I went to UCLA. So when they first the very
first time I saw this episode and I saw them
standing there, I'm like, that is UCLA. Like I knew
it immediately, and I can picture, like I know, watching
the whole thing, I could picture exactly where they were
in everything.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh that's what I was gonna ask. I was gonna say, like,
do you know what building these were? And yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So the funny part was that when they first get
there and they're standing there looking at the gate, when
they're looking through the gate, that was in the sculpture garden.
But when when the so when the camera's looking at
them from the back there in one yeah, but when
the camera's looking at them from the front, they're in
a completely different place.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Well you can tell because the lighting. There's sun hitting
them from the back or from the side. So then
I was like, they totally just shot this, Like was
it still on UCLA property just a different place.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, it's on campus. It just was in a different spot.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I could tell because the lighting and it was bugging
me right there.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I noticed that too. There was another scene too
where they were uh oh, when they were at the
coffee cart and it was sunny, and then when they're
walking across the lawn it was all of a sudden overcast.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, yeah, which is I guess. You know, it's hard
to do when you're you can't control the weather, right.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Especially if you only have like if you have to
get everything done in one day and it takes time
to shift and move everything.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, it can happen. I feel like the chessure Cat
was like such a thing, but it was only in
this episode, right, we don't see it again?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
They so, yeah, we only saw it in this episode.
Although in the the episode where the independence in burns down,
they mentioned the cheshire Cat, but it doesn't It sounds
like they're not referring to this place.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It's like they just read yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Because Michelle's on the phone and he's like, is this
the cheshire Cat? Do you have any job openings? Like
the all the fires happening. But they're trying to put
guests there too, so it wouldn't be close enough if
it's chesher Cat, it wouldn't be close enough for them
to put guests there.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
No, they took a I think they just pulled road
trip to get to the chesshure Cat.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah, it was. It was so I don't know. I
thought those scenes were hilarious.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Though, Oh my god, when she literally when they go
into the room and they open the door and lare
realize like, ah, what's wrong. She's like flowers, so many flowers.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I have researched this and I didn't come up with anything,
but there. I don't know if if any of our
listeners will remember this, but there was a short story
I read it in college in an English class called
The Yellow Wallpaper, and it was about this woman who's
I can't remember the exact story, but her husband like
puts her, he like puts her.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
In a room.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's like a mental health thing, and she starts to
see the wallpaper like coming alive, and it's like really creepy,
and she's like kind of descending into further into mental illness.
And I almost wonder like if that was a very
oblique reference to that short story, because it's the it's
this yellow floral wallpaper and they're talking about how it's
(06:40):
moving because it's you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
About the fact I wouldn't be surprised knowing Amy and Dan.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, because Amy's very literary, so I I but it's
it's not a like super well known short story, but
it just always made me wonder like it just made
an impression on me when I read it thirty years ago,
and so I immediately thought of that when I.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
I loved the moment where they're like we have like
a nine minute window or whatever time they said to
go get food and they go down there and everyone's
bird watching, and I know, we don't.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Put things like this on the freaking list.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It kind of gave us the quirkiness of stars Hollow
that we didn't get in a different town.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
It really did, like it really would have fit right
in with stars Hollow.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, it wouldn't have been surprised if it was like
the next town over and then they're like there was
a whole like storyline with the Cheshire Like I kind
of would have liked it.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
But yeah, yeah, I thought it was great. And the
actress that played Ladawn, I've seen her in other things.
She was I don't know if you ever saw bless
this Mess. It was. It only had two seasons. It
was with Dax Shephard and Rose Abdu was actually in.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
It, oh okay, and it was very it was.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
About it was kind of the stereotypical story this New
York young couple moves to farm country to it was
like a green Acre's kind of story. Almost. Yeah, it's
like this town full of quirky people, just like stars Hollow.
And she was one of the one of the people
in the town in that series. And she was really
good and She also played in My Name Is Earl.
(08:13):
She played them she was Earl's mom for Oh, okay,
so I've seen her so she was great. And then
I don't know anybody who remembers la Law. Susan Rutan
was the couple that Rory was talking to when Laurel
I went to make a phone call and she was, yeah,
it was for l A Law. So it was nice
to see her again.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Okay, I don't know, I have never seen anything they
were in, but they were great in this episode.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, I just the whole, the whole little inn I
just thought was hilarious.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So cute. A couple of call outs I had was
some of the scenes at Harvard. I was really like,
who's whose dorm door is? Just and then you're gonna
go in it and sit on the bed. Yeah, and
(09:06):
mind you. I thought it was really funny the like
you know Susie, like there's a thirty percent chance her
name is Susie like Lauren or sorry Loralai being like
quirky like that was really fun, but it was just
like not realistic to like just walk into someone's dorm
And also like, don't like dorms. I never lived in
a dorm. But like both of those buildings have like
(09:28):
key cards to like scan in, so.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yes, they they do. So that part was a little
unrealistic because even when I lived in a dorm in
the nineties, we had to swipe our badge to get
in like our student id cars.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And even then your door is not left wide open.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, no, we did. It depends on the dorm that
you lived in. Because some of the dorms only had
one bathroom per floor, so it wasn't that uncommon you'd
prop your door open if you were just gonna run
to the bathroom and come out. Oh okay, I don't
know that that was necessarily I mean we saw the room.
There was no bathroom in there, so.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
There was barely room for a bed, right, So when.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
That part was okay to me because we did do that,
like you'd prop out it open and run like or
you'd okay, so you know, take your friend, you know,
borrow a pen or something like, you might do that.
But it was still it made me nervous when she
was in there though, I'm like, get out of the room,
get out of the radow.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
The whole time I couldn't pay attention to the scene
because I was like, the person living in this room
is about to walk in.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
And I did notice that when Laurlai took the picture
of Rory at the desk, she sets her coffee cup
down and then she leaves without her coffee cup.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So I did notice that, and also she like completely
like well, I couldn't at first. I was like, is
this her notebook? And I'm like, oh no, it's a
notebook just there and she just like shuts it and
moves on. But yeah, she loft the coffee cup.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The lecture hall that they were in. I thought that
was a cute scene. Marory just like jumps in and
starts participating.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
She was always yeah, so yes. And then when you know,
when Laura I is outside looking at the Valedictorians. Okay,
so I had to stop the episode because they zoomed
in on one specific person and lorale I kept looking
at someone named Erica Hilson Palmer, and I was like,
(11:27):
did I miss something from the show? Like is this
someone that like I was supposed to know about or
then I'm like racking my brain of like do we
see this person in the future? And I found this
article if you guys google, like who is Erica Hilson
Palmer and Gilmore girls. It's like the top article that
comes up. It's really long, so I'm not going to
read it for you, But basically they were they think,
(11:50):
like there is a theory could be wrong that this
is someone that Laura I knew like growing up, because
it said she graduated in nineteen ninety and it would
have lined up with when Laura I graduated college. So
(12:11):
it literally just could have been someone she knew, and
she's looking at like the life she maybe could have had.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, I partially agree with that. I don't think she
actually knew that person, but I think she did. I
think she was thinking this could have been me because
she would have been the class of nineteen ninety and
she did. At the end of the episode, when she's
back at Luke's diner, she says to him how she
was thinking about all the things she had to give up, Yeah,
(12:41):
because of her situation and the things that might have
been that weren't ever gonna happen now. So I think
it's true that she's thinking about the possibilities of like
what if I had been able.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
To go to college because of her graduating years.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, but I don't think she necessarily knew that person.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, which is what people were saying, like it could
have been specifically about the year because there's only one
valedictorian a year. I would think, yeah, typically typically, so
it would have been nineteen ninety. But I think it
just threw me off because I was like, and it
kept going. It wasn't like a second like it was.
(13:18):
It showed her, and then it showed Laura, and then
it showed her again, and I'm like, is this something
I missed missing?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, And they showed it again after Laura, after Rory
comes out of the classroom, they start to walk away,
she like looks at it again as they're passing by.
So they aid a point to show it for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
To show it. Yeah, But you know, the more I
think about it, it definitely had to do with the
year because I kind of I didn't fully connect the
dots of I was just thinking of the person and
not the year. But when you say at the end
where she was talking to Luke about like, oh what
could have been and this and that, it was more of, Yeah,
(13:55):
if she was graduating that year and she didn't have Rory,
what would life be like?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah? My only bone to pick with this episode is
when they come home and they pull up to the
house and lorele I sees there's like, we don't know
yet what she's seeing, but she gets a look on
her face because she sees something. And then it turns
out she's looking at the hoopa that's still in front
of the front door. I when I first watched the
(14:23):
episode way back when I thought Max was gonna be
sitting there.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Oh, and when she's.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Looking at the hoopa, I was kind of disappointed, like
because we never saw Max getting the news that the
wedding is off. Oh, you're right, And so I've always
felt like, I mean, that's kind of just how Amy
Sherman Palladino works, Like she leaves the important things to
your imagine, like she'll hint at it, but yeah, you
(14:51):
leave stuff to your imagination. But it's that that one
thing is just kind of always bugged me that we
never saw Max getting the news. So I assume that
Laura I must have called him at some point during
she didn't leave him at the altar because the wedding
hasn't happened.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
It hasn't happened, you know, I'm gonna say she never
called him, and like Suki made the call or something.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Maybe I don't know, that's a lot to put on Suki, though.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Suki told the whole town.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, but Suki told Miss Patty and.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
The true, true, true.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
But that would be a lot to put on your
best friend, Like can you call my fiance and tell
him I'm not going to marry him?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Like that's but just knowing knowing Laurela, I, I I
don't think that she called him right away, mind you.
I think she called him eventually, but I feel like
she left town and then decided when she call him.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, I don't think she called him before they left town.
But but then when they meet up later, like there's
something there's there's an episode I want to say, season
three where she meets up with him again at when
they were going to be on CNN or something, and
(16:07):
when Paris finds out she didn't get into Harvard anyways.
That episode, she runs into him and she makes the
comment about how like I never talked to you or
we never talked about it. She says something about how
they never talked about it. But I can't believe that
she just didn't tell him at that, like she couldn't
(16:27):
just disappear.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
She probably just left a voicemail, to be honest.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
And that could be it. Yeah, maybe she did, but
we just never know, so we just have to imagine
what we think happened, because they never do tell us.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, if it was up to me, I would think
she made the decision, left town and was like, how
am I going to tell him this? And then she
called him when she knew that he wasn't going to
be home. She left a voicemail and that was the
end of it. And they never had because I think
even if like he did pick up the phone hypothetically,
like that would be an exchange of a conversation, but
(17:02):
it sounds like from and I don't remember the scene.
I know, I remember the gist of the scene. I
don't remember exactly what was said that you're talking about
in that episode, but from that, it makes me feel
like he never got to say his piece, and so
it was just it was larelized decision and that was it.
And like then at the end when they're at the
(17:22):
Gilmour's house and she's telling Emily, and Emily's like whose
decision was? And she was like mine. It was very
just like there was no conversation. I made the decision.
I did like going to that scene. I did like
the banter about the gift, yes, and I did like
that Emily didn't give her that heart of a time, like,
(17:44):
she didn't really give her hard time. She kind of
was just like. But then again, I think that Emily
didn't want her to get married, so maybe internally she
was happy about it.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, I think Emily is still holding out for Lorelei
to find somebody that is of the appropriate So standing
yes for Emily's opinion, but yeah, I think I think
she had kind of accepted it because she knows that
she can't. She's not gonna change Laurelized mind on anything.
(18:13):
So I think she was you know, she got them
a gift and all that, but I think she was
happy that it wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And the next episode is I am so excited And
I know our producer Jackie has never seen this either.
Next episode is season two, episode five, Nick and Nora
sit and Nancy and if you don't know, this is
where we see Jess for the first time.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
This is one of my favorite episodes in the entire
seventh season.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
It's so good on again. Okay, so I didn't know
this is the one that Jess. So you guys did
a little spoil what we I bet you We're gonna
get off the zoom and Jackie's gonna go watch it
the second.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's so good. I love it.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I can't wait. I feel like the next episode. Do
we need Jackie, We need you to give us your
take on your first impression of Jess because of someone,
I don't know what it's like to have that feeling again, satisfaction.
I will for sure write notes and give you my take.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Okay cool.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Jackie will jump in next week and we'll talk to
her about it. But until next week, meeting adjourn everybody,
(19:56):
don't forget. Follow us on Instagram at I Am all
In podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
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