June 11, 2021 • 49 mins
The moment we've been waiting for...Scott Cohen (Max Medina) vs Scott Patterson (Luke Danes).
In a very special I AM ALL IN, Scott and Scott are going one on one in a therapy session.
Elbow Touching, Arm Rubbing, Voicemail Messaging, Teacher Mom Dating are all analyzed.
Will Scott C. win over Scott P? We'll see...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in. Kiss you, I am all in
with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Okay, hi everybody,
(00:22):
Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. We are graced
with the presence of one of the you know, the
best actors working out there. He is extremely versatile actor.
Scott Cohen played Max Medino and Gilmore Girls as you know. Um, listen, Pal,
you know I love you. Yeah, okay, but I am
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not happy with Max Medina. It's the first time I'm
watching the show. I didn't look and I don't know
if it's me or if it's just Luke that's having
this reaction. But why do you think this is bothering
me so much? I mean, besides, I would say that
it's who I mean, you know, there was competition from
the very beginning. It was like, you know, they put
they they didn't they met us head to head before
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everything kind of fell apart from Max and went the
way of Luke. I mean, it's it's to the point,
it got to the point where there is you know,
team Max team Luke. Like online, I mean, you always
win obviously, Um, but it's uh, it's it's intense. It's
like it's a it's a it's a big competition for
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Laura for lauralized love. It is for lauralized attention. Okay,
so here's here's the big question. I mean, not as Max,
but as but as Scott. Did you ever think that
it was inappropriate to date to date uh a mom
of a student. No, I don't think so. Um you
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mean like playing the character or as you Scott Cohen,
do you think it's inappropriate? I am not you. I
absolutely do not think it's inappropriate. I think you know,
if you fall in love with somebody, you fall in
love with somebody, doesn't matter kind of what the situation is.
I mean, you know, there there are things that you
have to kind of negotiate. You know, you can't obviously
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you know you can't play favorites and um, you know
you you you you can't say you can't exploit the
relationship with the student, you know, for the mother that's problematic,
which you know I think they um that that didn't happen,
um specifically, but there was kind of you know, there
was a little bit of dealing with Rory in a
(02:34):
way to get to laure Ali, that kind of thing,
which I thought, you know, that could be a problem. Um,
but you never saw it in relationship to other students.
But in reality that's that those are problems. But I
don't think it's it's a it's an issue to date
the mother of a student. I think, um, I mean
interestingly enough, I think what happens in you know, as
a teacher especially, I think that that you're if you're
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a good teacher, you spend more time with a parent
maybe like you know, then you might you're in a
bar somewhere or something. I mean, and you get so
intimate with people. It's like doing a movie you get
so into or TV show you get so intimate with people.
You know, those are the people that you meet, you
know what I mean. So it's uh so I think
it's kind of maybe a natural, um growth out of
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out out of being a teacher. I mean, I get
it disagreeably. I could change my mind. I could change
what I say. You know, I put myself in Rory's
shoes as a sixteen year old, and you know, my
math teacher calls and I'm falling a little bit behind,
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and he calls my mom and he or no, he
calls me and he you know, we're talking and he said, listen,
you know you're outburst in class, not appropriate, but we
can catch you up. And I know you're late, you
missed the test. Blah blah blah, right, because that's what
happened in the show. Uh. And then he said, and Scott,
would you mind putting your mother on the phone? Right?
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And I said, oh boy, I'm in real trouble now.
So I, you know, I run upstairs and I get
on the other phone and I listen in and he says,
you know, I I what is the word? Is this
what actually happens in the show? Now? You left a
message you left I totally forget. You left a voicemail
(04:26):
on on Laurelized home answering machine that said, you know,
because Laurie missed, Rory missed the test, she wasn't allowed
to take the test. She flipped out in class, she
got in Eliza's face, she got in Chad Michael Murray's face. Um,
and you asked her to leave go to library. Wait,
you missed the test, You cannot take the test. You
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were late. We don't care about the excuse. Yes, And
then um, and then there was that big scene and
the Headmaster Charleston's office where Lauren comes in and just
you know, just tears him a new one and refers
to him as l Duce and they and he's cool
as a cucumber and just says, listen, the rules are
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the rules. Maybe she shouldn't be here, she doesn't have
to be here, she doesn't have to go to Harvard,
so on and so forth, but the rules are the rules,
and she could she So he he bent a little
bit and told you that she can take the test
or she can do some extra credit work. And that
was the message you were leaving for her. You can
take some extra credit. And you were you said, this
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message is Ferrory. And I talked with the dean and
he the headmaster, and he said, you can take some
exstra credit and get caught up, and we're going to
get you in a place where you should be. Anyway,
and by the way, if your mother is listening, Laurela,
I really enjoyed. Okay, well, I define thought listen. I
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just thought, wow, wow, okay, so so so let me
rephrase is what I just said. The question you caught me.
So the question was whether I think Scott Colin thinks
it's a problem. But obviously Max mcdina was a little
kind of you know, he exploited the phone call a
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little bit um, but he didn't innocently. You know, that
was Max mcdeina's way, you know, if it was it
was convenient to talk to Laurela, if he had if
he was leaving a message for Rory, but he's busy,
he didn't have time to leave. He didn't. Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think it's a problem though, I mean, I
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that's the drama of the show, really, I mean, for
Max mcdina at least, I think that's part of the
drama which leave which somehow, I mean, I think that
does play a part in what Laurelized decision in the
end becomes it you know, this whole kind of like
uh confluence of relationships. I mean, I don't know what
was in any or in his mind, but you know
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that that there was, that there was those issues were
prevalent for for Laura la that you know might have
led to you know, not being sure about what you
know to be with Max or not, So that maybe
that was really part of the whole thing why she
left Hartford. She couldn't get away with that stuff. At
the country club, right right, come to a small town
and just sort of exactly corrupt that place. There you
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go with all her glory and yeah, sparkling personality. Sure,
poor innocent Maxi Medina. So so you're a victim. Okay, exactly,
that's the way I see Scott. What Scott, Scott, what's
with the touching? The world? So there was a lot
of touching. What what this is twenty years ago? Man?
(07:49):
Every time? For me, it's been forever. I never saw it.
It even wasn't even aware. But you you, my friend,
you know, we got to talk about the touching because
the touching, I mean you were like you were rubbing
her elbow with your thumb. This is this is with
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Lorela Okay, yes, yeah, yeah, you know this is this
Max Medina's charmed I mean you know he was in
love with Laura Lae. He was, you know, any any
way he can get close to her, he would get
close to her. Man, Boy, did you ever I mean
talk about a full court press? Nice, you were going in,
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you were going to the hoop? Oh god, um, yeah.
I don't think you'd be allowed to do that these days.
I mean I think you would. You would need permission
to you know, to kind of create that. But I
think that, I mean, I do think that that. I
don't think it was manipulation. I think that it was
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you know, um, you know Max's honest feelings about Laura
La and you know he really fell deeply in love
with her and just really wanted to be close with
her in any way that again, and if she accepted it,
then you know, um, it was all good. It was
not you know, it was not an issue. So she
defended very well. I mean she she denied you denied,
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you denied you. This is not a good idea, my daughters.
You know, she she you know, she she walked the
high road, if you will. But man, you just the
rubbing some on. You just kept you, just kept kept
said there was there is no high roads. Am I
(09:36):
talking about high road? No? I guess you know. I
to me, it was all just about his you know,
his his his desire and his his um his lust
for her and which he felt was real. It was
real for him. It was totally real for him. I mean,
(09:57):
I guess it was real for her too on So
it wasn't you know, until she felt like it wasn't.
I don't even remember if there was a reason, was
there a reason that that she left her, or you're
not even up, You're not there yet. No, I don't know.
I don't know. We're dealing with right next. I haven't
moved past the touching. It's driving me crazy, keeping me
(10:20):
up at night. That was in the in the in
the in the diner scene, and you're in your dinner,
in your dinner. No, No, it wasn't in my diner. No.
I met her in Hartford. She was taking in some
classes at the local college there, and she said, maybe
we can meet for some place whatever was and you
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you were rubbing her arm, and she didn't look at
you when you started doing it, or looked down. She
just sort of looked out. And I could tell she
was shocked by it, and that not a lot of
men had been touching her in that way. And I
got the feeling she kind of liked it. And then
you did it again after you were telling the story
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of your uncle. You would you would have gotten to
her much sooner in the show. If you had done
the same thing as me, the show would have been cut.
It would have been a three year, three year show.
That's why I'm so worked up about it because why
didn't I do that? It just took you a long time,
and it was and it was more appropriate too, because
it was like, I'm not I'm not well, I was
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Rory's father's figure. But I can rub a little bit?
Why can't I rub? Everyone could rub? I see you
See that's why, that's what makes you, Scott Cohen, because
you made those choices as the character, and you want
her heart. And the second time you rubbed her, she
looked down at your thumb and then she smiled. She
liked it. She liked you, so I got her my
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favorite scene. But are you are you? Are you up
to the where we where we talk at the door
where me guess we're a Cinnamon's wake, where you the
died Babbett's cat died and you come for the date
and she's not there, and then she sees you and
comes home and says, sorry, we gotta read, we gotta
we gotta reschedule, and you and then you, the master
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of your craft, say maybe you know, maybe we shouldn't
do this. I really like you, Laura Ala, but I
don't want to waste your time. And it's kind of
a thing. And then you sort of walk off and
she's like no, no, no no no no no no,
we can do it again. And you said, and you
make the decision of like, well, okay, we can we
can try this again. Um but okay, so here's here's
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the deal. So you made that choice as the actor
Scott to have Max rubbing. Where did that come from?
Did you talk about that with Lauren before or did
you just lay that on her? No? I mean, I
just I just did it. I mean I think that Lauren, um,
who I experienced as a very accepting uh um actor
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you know, I mean, you knew your lines when you
walked in, and uh didn't really um waste a lot
of time. She was you know, she allowed you to
just be who you were. And and that's you know
that I didn't. I don't. I don't think. Um. I
think maybe if we kissed, I think there was maybe
(13:20):
a conversation, um, but you know, not too much and
uh and I think we were in bed ones that
might have been a conversation. But this, no, this was
just uming effect. I've never I've never been asked this
question before. This is I'm I'm a bit stumped. I
think it's just you know it is for me. You know,
(13:41):
it's interesting because the whole, the whole show that started
for me. I don't know what your process was, but
like when I I was offered like three episodes, right
and um and at that time, now it's like, you know,
I'm happy I got I would get that money. At
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that time, it was like that's that sucks, um and
the UH. And I actually said no for a long time,
like I didn't want to do it. I was like,
I don't really want to do this. And and then
I saw Lauren at a at some kind of like
publicity thing for this thing that I did, and and
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she was just so fantastic and fun and um, and
I was like, you know what, I think this could
be really fun to do and um. And so so
I took it and there was there was such like
an um, a welcoming kind of sensibility from any and
Lauren when I got on set that uh it allowed
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me just to really be free and not not feel
kind of burdened by any kind of what I'm supposed
to do or um. And so I just felt free.
And I have to say, I mean, I don't I
don't think I feel that way. You know, I'm not.
It's it's um not something that uh not that that
particular thing, but you know, feeling that kind of freedom
on a set doesn't come, you know, every day. So
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you know, that's one of the reasons I remember it
as such a lovely experience. And besides the the fandom
of it all and being recognized for it like just
you know, and twenty this is what it's a you know,
twenty years later, one years it's crazy, man. It's like, um, anyway,
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do you want me to read you I'm gonna read
you the voicemail. I'm gonna take you back. Here we go.
This is the voicemail you left in episode for the
Deer Hunters on on Laurel ez loreal Ize uh answering, Hi,
this is a message for Rory. It's Max Medina calling.
I just wanted to say that I talked to Headmaster
Charleston or Ill do Cha as he is more affectionately
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known at the Gilmore Household, and he's agreed to let
you do some extra credit work to make up for
the miss test today. Uh. Now, I'm not sure what
extra credit work uh it is going to be, but
it probably will be time consuming and extremely painful. Uh,
it will, however, such a satist, it's it's just unbelievable. Um.
(16:13):
It will, however, get you back to where I think
you rightfully belong. Rory, don't lose heart. Make this work.
And if your mother is listening, Laurel, I it was
a pleasure encountering you. Hope it happens again. Anyways, see
you in class by. You know, I think that I
think that that's brilliant writing. So so what what to
(16:36):
me that's really about? Um? Uh, Max is is Max
knows laurelized like he got a glimpse of of who
she was and one that she probably would be on
the phone right listening and on this, you know, and
to um or listening to the to the to the
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recording UM and that and that he knew that, um,
that the fun of meeting her was going like it
was going to go someplace. And so so to me,
that's actually really innocent kind of you know, I mean,
for lack of a better word, charming kind of conversation.
But it's mainly focused on on Rory. I also think
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that Max Medina would have been and I actually don't know.
Maybe this did happen, but I think he would have
been quick to quit that job if Rory needed, If
Rory needed him to be separate from from their life,
I think that he would have been. He would have
found someplace else to go. I think Laurelae was much
more important than his work. Extremely honorable statement. Boy does that? Wow?
(17:45):
Okay that that almost stops the train dead in its tracks. Wow,
you're good. You're good, Scott Cohen, You're good, because I'll
tell you because man, that one move. And even back
that I'm not just saying because if today how things are,
but even back then, I mean, did you ever consider
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when reading it and rehearsing it and doing it that,
my god, I am placing Chiltern and in legal hot water.
I am placing Rory in a very precarious position with
her classmates who are already showing aggression towards her, um,
(18:27):
you know, as the new kid, as you know, somebody
who's attractive and super intelligent. And I mean you notice that. Yeah,
I mean I think I think that. I think that
Max Medina, you know, if there's a if there's a
flaw to his character, it was that laurel I really was.
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She took precedence so so it wasn't it wasn't. Um.
I don't think he did think about those things. I
think that he probably, I mean, I think he did
think about them slightly, like don't you like, don't go
this far, to go this far? But UM, I don't
think it was at the forefront of his mind. I
think at the forefront of his mind was that he
met this woman that he was really falling in love
with and and and just that um and wanted to
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be with her. You know. I I think the reason
I'm having such a visceral, visceral reaction to all this
is because I've never seen it before. And I never
realized that Amy through so many, um serious contenders into
the ring with her, and that she was deeply considering
(19:32):
and you know, just from what I've been hearing about
the the lifeline of your relationship on the show with
her is that it was very serious and um, you know,
I just never realized that it was so real, and
it was so real for her and for her character,
(19:54):
and that you guys, you know, were just about together.
I mean, you were it was happening. Um. And I
remember reading all the scripts and I knew it, uh,
but seeing it is a different experience. It's a very
powerful experience for me because if you know, all these
feelings are coming up, all these sort of uh, you know,
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I was getting a little j But do you feel
I'm just curious, do you feel like that in the
at the end of like you end up with her
in the end? Right? Yeah? So do you do you
feel like that you're you're as as Luke, that your
your worthiness of Luke, that it went through this kind
of uh, you know, this crucible of of of other men,
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and you know that you ended up you know that
you were successful in the end. I mean, you know,
you're probably That's a really good question. And nobody's ever
asked me that question before. Not that this is about me,
it's about you, But you asked me the question. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna consider it. Um. Yeah, maybe maybe
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there was something in him that she was too classy,
to educated, too too smart for him, too on top
of everything that he would never have a chance. He's
just a small town guy and he doesn't have big aspirations,
you know, he's not. Yeah, I think there was some insecurity, there,
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some deep insecurity that he couldn't handle or or make happy,
a woman who was so obviously spectacular. It was she
was just a bright light in that town. Not not
that you know that there weren't other bright lights in
that town, but she was like really like you put
her anywhere, and it's like, wow, um, that's so interesting.
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You know, it's like it's really a credit. I mean,
I'm I'm I'm not really sure, but I'm pretty sure. Like,
uh that Amy left after six seasons or something that right,
like the last season, but I mean, I would imagine
you know that the development of character over seven years
of the entire time, it's such it's such a credit
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to that Amy and Dan to kind of reach a
point of you know that there was great humility in
the idea of small town love, that there was this
really um I mean, and you see that throughout the
entire show, like small town really created you know, such
camaraderie and community and all this kind of stuff. But
you know that that small town love wins in the
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end because it really is an emblem of what real
love can and should be. It's not something you know,
you don't need to be um. You know it everything
kind of falls to the wayside, whether it's being you know,
fancy and elegant and intellectual or you know, what really
matters is that you have feelings for somebody and that
that's that's that's sharing. That's sharing is uh is of
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the utmost importance, which is I mean, it's pretty interesting
that Amy and Dan. I mean, there's you know, they're
they're they're so good at it, and I think I
think you know now that I think about another element
is uh, he probably was protect Luke was probably protecting
himself against any potential breakup. And he you know, I
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don't know if you've ever been a situation when you're younger,
I've I've been a couple of those where it's like,
I don't know if I can handle losing her, So
I don't really want to be terribly aggressive. I don't
feel like I deserve her anyway. And she's gonna dump me,
she's gonna find me out, and then I'll be just
a wreck, you know. So there's that so interesting perspective,
(23:26):
very interesting, very interesting. Um. But the touching, God, the touching.
I watched it over and over again. I was uploaded
at night. I wonder there must be a gift out
there about touching. I'm sure I was learning I was,
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and if not, I'm sure there will be. Now. I
tried it on my wife and she she hit my
hand away. She goes, what are you doing? I said,
I'm Max Medini and you isn't it working? I'm Scott
coining you. Yeah, okay, So you weren't given any direction
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or of course not to touch that, I think, yeah,
I mean I might, I might have been given. I
don't really remember a lot of direction ever. Um, but
I'm sure Amy directed a lot. Not everybody directed, um.
I The only the only other person I really remember
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directing is Michael Cattleman, unfortunately, UM, who I worked with
not too not too long ago. UM, who loved um.
But no, I don't think. I don't. I don't think
so well not to get to actory here. But the
reason I'm I'm focused in on the touching is it,
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you know check Off Anton Chekhov talks a lot about
the psychology or mom, sorry, Michael check Off, the great teacher,
the cousin of the nephew of Anton uh talks a
lot about the psychological gesture and how you should trust it,
and that to me, that is the manifestation of the
psychological gesture. That is the perfect psychological gesture, which is
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what makes you, Scott Cohen, which is why you get
the jobs, you know, with all of the big people
in the big movies. And because you're you trust that
you go with that. So maybe there's a little actor jealousy, like,
damn it, that guy is good, you know to do that,
because that's a detail. You know, that's one of those
details that riles people up. But it it enhances the scene,
(25:41):
and and and and it says so much without you know,
you having just say anything, and you just rubbing that outbow,
you're just rubbing well, Scott, I have to say, I
am so flattered that you say this, and I'm not
I'm really not joking, um because you know, you you
go through life, um never really knowing what your uniqueness
(26:03):
uh possibly is. I mean as actors, you know, we
really just go from from job to job, audition to audition,
and you know, you work hard, and most of the
time it's working by yourself because you know, you're either
you know, on tape or you're you know, even when
you're shooting a TV show or a movie. You rarely
get like like like uh Gilmore girls, you rarely get
(26:25):
that moment where you really understand how to you know
that you're you know, uh, interacting with somebody. Um. So uh,
I thank you for that because that really means a
lot that that someone else is seeing, um, something that's
kind of unique to me, and um that it just
means a lot. So thank you. You're welcome. I mean,
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it's a it's it's a bold choice. It's something that
just happened in your research and in the scene with
with Lauren. And you know, a lot of actors wouldn't
have gone for it. They would have thought about out
it maybe, but they wouldn't have done it, or they
would have asked permission and then it would have become
sort of awkward and and not organic, you know what
(27:07):
I mean. So it's I mean, you just did it.
It was just so so let me ask you this. Uh,
I'm only five episodes in. What should I prepare for her?
Am I gonna lose my I don't know, I don't know.
I actually I've only seen a couple of scenes from
(27:28):
all the episodes. I don't think I watched after I
was in it. Really, Um, you know, there there's there's
the big, big scene at the end um of his
you know where he asked her to marry her. UM,
and I think the show. The show is called A
Thousand Daisies or something like that. Um, and he buys
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her all these daisies and she's like in this and
she I think, I think she accepts in it. And
then I don't even remember how how she how she
doesn't marry me, whether, I don't know if there was
a wedding. I don't think there was a wedding, and
she doesn't come. I forget exactly how that turned out.
And then I remember, yeah anyway, yeah, and then I
(28:13):
remember talking. I remember over the years, you know, over
those those few years, talking to Dan and Amy, you know,
they were going to bring me back, and then that
never happened. And then UM, yeah, M interesting. And you're
in New York right now, right upstate New York are
Oh and you've been there since uh the pandemic started
(28:35):
maybe or yeah, well yeah, I got actually just as
the pandemic was starting, I got rid of my apartment
in New York. UM, mainly because we were not spending
that much time there and then and we didn't want
to really pay for it anymore, so we um, so
we gave it up. But then and at the same
(28:57):
time the pandemic kid so it's like kind of normal,
we wouldn't be there. Um And you know, now if
I worked there, it's it's a bit of an issue,
like I have to find a place to stay usually,
but it's um. But I'm up here in the country
and it's fantastic and I love it right right right. Uh,
there's a yeah, there's a lot to be said. I
I sold my house in l a too, and we
went out a little bit to the country. Well I
(29:20):
wouldn't say country, but of California. Yeah, yeah, we didn't.
We didn't make it out of California, but we still may.
Are you you're from back east, though, aren't you. Yeah,
I'm from Philadelphia, was born in Philadelphia, grew up in
South Jersey. Yeah, and I spent you know, a lot
of my summers in New York City because my sister
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was living with somebody there and married to somebody there,
so we would go up every summer. I'd go up
every summer in high school and just spend the summer
up there with her. Let's get back to this, uh,
this this role that you play that has has has
has had this sort of this nuclear bomb in my life.
So when you first got the script, did you have, um,
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any kind of misgivings and you may have addressed us
already about a teacher dating a mom, did you have
any kind of thoughts you could put children in jeopardy?
Did you have any kind of thoughts about what this
could do to Rory, you know, because that's the thing
that I'm I'm responding to responding to. Yeah, unfortunately not.
I mean when I got the script, all I really
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saw was the romance. Hmm, That's that's what I really saw.
I mean, maybe I should have steen more of the
children thing that that would have been a little bit
more kind of But you know, there were never any
scenes between me and and the headmaster except in that
in the office, And I think if they were, if
they had written scenes for me to take me out
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of the relationship and put me in the school more,
you know, to you know, to deal with that like
a like a friend that you're talking to that's like,
don't do this, Um, then I think I would have
thought about a little bit more. But um, there was
nothing in the script that was that was telling me
to um, to do anything other than what the romance
was dictating. I love the fact that ultimately what we
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discussed today was your love of her, and it was
a romantic ideal. It was the one. She was the one,
and you came on here, brave soul that you are,
and you know you truly were a rival. You were
a real rival. I mean, this was certain that was
that was never talked about. That was never talked about.
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It wasn't talked about like I was a rival or
that was never in any direction. It was never any
like the writer you know, Amy never uh, at least
with me. She might have talked about with the writers
like there might have been like this is the rivalry
where you set this up, but never as a direction
like this is a this is an issue. I mean
we did, are you did? Did we go head to head? Yet?
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We know? But I now I that scene just popped
into my head where we're standing yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah,
but isn't that just one scene? I think we just
had that one scene? So yeah, So I mean that's
the only time we really you know, um, and I'm curious,
I wonder if there was any kind of dialogue that
was about Luke, you know, uh, I don't think so,
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but I don't remember anyway. That wasn't that what that
was set up by writing, not necessarily by you know, performance,
I think, which is better because because then I'm not
I'm not thinking about the competition. I'm thinking about just
Laura La. I'm just thinking about like that's the goal.
The goal is Laura La. But the competition plays out
in the writing of it, not not in the Uh.
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You know, if you're constantly playing like the jealousy, then
you're not You're not really playing the romance, the romance,
which ends up being what people I think become attracted to.
I agree with you because I think in the in
the Foyers, you know, I was playing fear and insecurity
and really being threatened. I mean I really sensed that
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this was gonna go bad for me and then I
was gonna lose her. So I do. I do remember that.
But of course you cover and you try to be
the tough guy, and she's mine and this is what
I do for her. And I mean it was it
was it was schoolyard childish stuff, but it's it's there.
We are, Um, yeah, there are exactly. I want to
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do a little thing called rapid fire. You ready for this? Alright?
Alright here we got I know. How do you take
your coffee with cream? Can you smell snow? Yeah? Are
your team Logan? Just yeah? Sure? Because you from the Northeast,
I can smell, so you can smell snow man on
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the ground, you know, peeing the snow, you smell being
the snow. There you are you Team Logan, Team Jess
or Team Dean. You don't give for corpt I don't
even I'm not even Logan. I'm not sure who Logan is.
Jess I think was Jess? Was was his Milo? Right? Yeah? Uh,
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I have to say Team Dean. Okay, why because I
really got along with We were early on when he
that was like his first thing, right, that's j Jess
Jared Petti, like he's eighteen years old. Yeah, yeah, I
mean it was a lot of fun talking to him,
but you know, and it was you know, he was
just starting and we we formed a little bond for
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a little bit, and then um he becaun you know,
he went on to both of them, you know, superstar.
He was a sweet kid. He was a very sweet kid.
Who's the daddy? Um, you're asking me questions? I don't
even know what they're actually referenced. Daddy. Yeah, I don't know.
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I don't know, not really. I gotta, you know, I
gotta ask the question. Yeah, I want to hear Melissa McCarthy,
which she's on what's your best memory of Gilmore Girls?
(35:31):
My best memory of Gilmore Girls has nothing to do
with the show. Um. It has to do with um
uh shooting on nine eleven and how they uh now
I've actually Pamela um the line producer. I forget her
last name, now, um she uh you nine eleven happened.
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I was in l a shooting and my family, my
wife and my kids were in New York and we
lived in Soho at the time, which was very close.
And he had gone to school that day and I
saw the you know, the towers falling on the news
and went to set, went to went to the studio
that morning, right that I was working that day. Um,
everything shut down, obviously, but um, they got me on.
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They put me in a room. They were so concerned
with me getting in touch with my family, and they
put me in a room for twelve hours. They patched
me through all these ways of trying to get to
my my wife's cell phone and you know, just uh yeah,
it was it was like totally being taken care of
in a time when you feel like just you're you're
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just you know, you're the ground under your feet is
just kind of taken. And did you did how long
did it take you to get in touch with your wife?
Twelve hours? Yeah, and yeah, and it was like and yeah,
it was just it was just incredible and I'll never
forget it. And it was I just felt like it
was so it was just so unbelievable. They just you know,
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and had nothing to do with the show. But then
I think the next day we shot, or two days
later we shot. I remember shooting a scene with Lauren
in a car. Maybe it was like a driving scene
or something like that, and I it was just crazy.
I mean, you're like, you're not really like I was
kind of laughing the whole time and not really like
I don't know. And that was the other thing. They
got me out as quickly as possible. They like got
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me out on the first flight. That that when when
when flights started going back, and I remember, I uh,
not in live was on a Tuesday, and they flew
me on a Saturday morning. It was like the first
one of the first flights that got went out of
l A. So it was what a what a terrible experience?
Good god, twelve hours of agony? Wow. Yeah, But that
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that's my that's my best memory because and other than that,
uh my, my, my best memories are just the whole
thing with Lauren and just having such a good time, um,
and with Amy and Dan uh and never just never
feeling threatened that the way I was doing things was
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was questioned. It was just always, you know, it was
always good. And I don't really remember, maybe because I
I was so you know, busy at the time. Um,
I don't ever remember feeling like, uh, you know, like
I needed, you know, to know if he's coming back
or you know, what's happening to Max. You know, it's
just what it was, what it was, I think. Yeah,
(38:28):
I mean that that's basically it the show that you're
binge watching right now. I just finished The Kaminsky Method. Okay,
cast member you texted most recently on The gumber Girls.
I'm in touch with Amy and Dana a lot. Okay,
So have you done an episode of mazel I? I
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was on this this season, right, Okay? Cool? So okay,
So here's a Lauren question. Okay, did you know that
the two of you had a great see partner in
each other? Because it was so what's the word ping
pongy quick back and forth. I mean, did you know
pretty quickly that you were in really good hands with Yes? Yes,
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I knew Lauren before the show, right, Um, they we
were actually in I did three three episode arc on
Law and Order, like in nineteen six, and I played
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a film director that that that murders his wife cuts
her up into little pieces. Um, and she was in
the same shown because he was. It was I touched her.
I touched her a lot before, so not going. I
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tried to get close. She wouldn't let me. Um. And
she was on the show. I forget exactly why she
was on the show, but she was on the show.
And my agent was like, oh, you know would be great.
You guys should work together and uh, you know, be fun.
And then we met each other and you know, she
was great and um, and this came up and I
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knew that she was just totally special and and um
and extremely talented. I don't think that I was anywhere
near I mean, I don't know if you had this experience,
but I wasn't anywhere near as being able to speak
as quickly as I. And that was actually I was
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I was lucky that Amy. Uh. And maybe this was
because it was kind of um first Amy's you know
uh um. She wasn't like as intense about um dialogue early.
Maybe I don't know, but my take on how to
do that dialogue was not not like you know, like
like rapid fire. I needed to be able to I
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needed to be able to have some kind of like
you know, ground to it um. Whereas Lauren could memorize
these lines. I mean there's there was ninety pages per script.
You know, she memorizes monologues that, you know, like it
was unbelievable how you could kind of like lace stuff up.
But yeah, I mean it was totally I felt like that,
you know, it was a great scene partner, and she
really was. Again, she was very giving and very um
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free about what I you know, if I wanted to
try something, she would go for it, and that you
know wouldn't be a problem. Um. And you know, she
wasn't judging or anything like that, which always makes it
easier because you know, you work with people that are
very judgmentally, You're like, oh my god, it's like I'm
completely stuck. It's gonna be a long day exactly exactly,
and so you know, so you have to like so.
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So she was great. I mean she was, you know,
a true um champion of you know, of of doing work.
I never saw her complain about anything, you know that
I wasn't part of, you know, if if that was happening,
I didn't know about it. Um. She was always like
right on on on on her stuff, and and and
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and and willing to uh to be a great scene partner.
And she was. She was really a good scene partner.
You know. One of the most impressive things I've ever
seen in my entire career was when uh we we
I mean we were there at three am doing a
diner scene. It was just the two of us, since
she had this big entrance monologue coming into the diner
and huff and the whole thing, and I mean it
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was like it was it was that much black ink.
It was like the whole page and she had just
spit it out fast. And not only did she have
to do that at three am after you know, a
monster day of twenty hours or something like that, of
working and uh, you know, ninety cups of coffee. We
we both had in us. Brian de Palma had been
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there since the afternoon and he stayed. He stayed. He
was a fan of the show. His daughter loved the show.
And uh, Gallen heard the mother of the wife was there,
um as well. I think she was. But Brian de
Palmer was sitting right next to camera. Oh my god. Okay,
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you know how we do our coverage for close up. Yeah,
he was like cameras the microphone. He was there, Brian
de Palmer and on her coverage, okay, on her coverage,
and she was flawless. She didn't she didn't flinch. I mean,
you talk about being under pressure with like a major
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director staring you right in the face the entire monologue
and just she did it twice, nailed it. We moved on. Yeah,
she's so professional, so you know, and and yeah, really professional.
It was cool and I think that she, you know,
she must have felt. I mean, I I don't. I
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don't really talk to Laren, but you know, she must
have felt, you know. And I mean it's interesting, like,
you know, somebody that you know is so successful at
a show, on a show for so long. You know,
she really seemed to do with it really well I
mean from my perspective, and not ever make it like
she's a star or you know, she was very humble
(44:10):
and you know, um, yeah, I mean I found it
incredible to you know, what I found incredible is if
I were in that position, and I were the lead
of the show and I was carrying a show like
that with so much dialogue and so many hours yet
you had to put in every day and I wasn't
getting and doing the level of work that she was
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doing day after day, month after month, year after year,
season after season, and not really I mean getting recognized
or getting nominated at the rate which she deserved. Uh.
Kind of amazing that it went on for seven years,
because I mean we were obligated to six. We did
a seventh, um, but it's like how long can you go?
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I mean, like what's the point after a while? I
mean not that you're doing it to be recognized, but
it's like, you know, it starts feeling you know, it
starts feeling bad, like come on, you know, maybe you know,
throw us a Golden Satellite Award or something. I mean,
I something, Um, but it was just odd and it
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just sort of I don't know, there was this sort
of sour taste after a while on set, like we
can do, you know, what we consider to be very
high level work with very high level writing, and nobody
at these academies cares and it's not going to make
any difference. Not that you do it to win the
awards or get nominated, but you want to be invited
(45:38):
to the party a little bit, right, Yeah, you want
to be invited to the party totally. But you know what,
after so many years in this business, I do feel
like that, you know, because I too want to be
you know, uh invited to the party. But I feel
like that there are you know, there are things that
happened that never get recogn eyes that never get you know,
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to see the light of day in terms of you know,
people kind of giving it the credit it deserves. And unfortunately,
it's it's for a lot of actors and a lot
of shows, a lot of movies that that don't get
that because there are Darling's that you know, uh that
that get chosen, you know, and unfortunately, and I don't
need to like trash you know, any organization, but you know,
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whether it's the Academy or whether it's the Emmys or
whether it's you know, sa what we all know how
things get voted and you know it's, um, it's not
rocket science, it's you know, people, people choose. People don't
necessarily choose what's deserving one year. They choose, you know
what they know and it's not always you know the
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case with one particular show, she she absolutely deserved an
enormous amount of tension for that, for that character, as
as as um as uh so many others know the girl,
the girl from Mrs maisil who, um, you know who's
getting an enormous amount of right right right right? So
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which is a similar it's a similar character. Listen, buddy, Uh,
we know you gotta go. You're a busy guy. Thank
you for your time. This was amazing, It was great.
It was great spending time with you. And Uh, I
think I'm gonna send you some coffee. I have my
own coffee company. Did you drink coffee? Do you really?
(47:28):
I do? Yeah? Uh send it to me definitely, all right,
they'll get yeah, yeah, they'll get your phone and all that.
But it was amazing talking to you. Thank you so
much for taking the time we'd love to have you back.
It's great sea and I'm so glad that you explained
to me that it was really just romance. It was
just romantic love and it took precedent over anything. And
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how honorable of you to say, I'm going to step
away from Chilton too if it comes to that for
this woman that's the true rival on guard, my friend,
my guard. We will meet again anyway, Stay well, stay safe,
all the best, buddy, take care all right man. Thanks
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I am all in. Kiss you, I am all in
with Scott Patterson and I Heart Radio podcast. Okay, hi everybody,
(00:22):
Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast. We are graced
with the presence of one of the you know, the
best actors working out there. He is extremely versatile actor.
Scott Cohen played Max Medino and Gilmore Girls as you know. Um, listen, Pal,
you know I love you. Yeah, okay, but I am
(00:45):
not happy with Max Medina. It's the first time I'm
watching the show. I didn't look and I don't know
if it's me or if it's just Luke that's having
this reaction. But why do you think this is bothering
me so much? I mean, besides, I would say that
it's who I mean, you know, there was competition from
the very beginning. It was like, you know, they put
they they didn't they met us head to head before
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everything kind of fell apart from Max and went the
way of Luke. I mean, it's it's to the point,
it got to the point where there is you know,
team Max team Luke. Like online, I mean, you always
win obviously, Um, but it's uh, it's it's intense. It's
like it's a it's a it's a big competition for
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Laura for lauralized love. It is for lauralized attention. Okay,
so here's here's the big question. I mean, not as Max,
but as but as Scott. Did you ever think that
it was inappropriate to date to date uh a mom
of a student. No, I don't think so. Um you
(01:53):
mean like playing the character or as you Scott Cohen,
do you think it's inappropriate? I am not you. I
absolutely do not think it's inappropriate. I think you know,
if you fall in love with somebody, you fall in
love with somebody, doesn't matter kind of what the situation is.
I mean, you know, there there are things that you
have to kind of negotiate. You know, you can't obviously
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you know you can't play favorites and um, you know
you you you you can't say you can't exploit the
relationship with the student, you know, for the mother that's problematic,
which you know I think they um that that didn't happen,
um specifically, but there was kind of you know, there
was a little bit of dealing with Rory in a
(02:34):
way to get to laure Ali, that kind of thing,
which I thought, you know, that could be a problem. Um,
but you never saw it in relationship to other students.
But in reality that's that those are problems. But I
don't think it's it's a it's an issue to date
the mother of a student. I think, um, I mean
interestingly enough, I think what happens in you know, as
a teacher especially, I think that that you're if you're
(02:56):
a good teacher, you spend more time with a parent
maybe like you know, then you might you're in a
bar somewhere or something. I mean, and you get so
intimate with people. It's like doing a movie you get
so into or TV show you get so intimate with people.
You know, those are the people that you meet, you
know what I mean. So it's uh so I think
it's kind of maybe a natural, um growth out of
(03:19):
out out of being a teacher. I mean, I get
it disagreeably. I could change my mind. I could change
what I say. You know, I put myself in Rory's
shoes as a sixteen year old, and you know, my
math teacher calls and I'm falling a little bit behind,
(03:42):
and he calls my mom and he or no, he
calls me and he you know, we're talking and he said, listen,
you know you're outburst in class, not appropriate, but we
can catch you up. And I know you're late, you
missed the test. Blah blah blah, right, because that's what
happened in the show. Uh. And then he said, and Scott,
would you mind putting your mother on the phone? Right?
(04:04):
And I said, oh boy, I'm in real trouble now.
So I, you know, I run upstairs and I get
on the other phone and I listen in and he says,
you know, I I what is the word? Is this
what actually happens in the show? Now? You left a
message you left I totally forget. You left a voicemail
(04:26):
on on Laurelized home answering machine that said, you know,
because Laurie missed, Rory missed the test, she wasn't allowed
to take the test. She flipped out in class, she
got in Eliza's face, she got in Chad Michael Murray's face. Um,
and you asked her to leave go to library. Wait,
you missed the test, You cannot take the test. You
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were late. We don't care about the excuse. Yes, And
then um, and then there was that big scene and
the Headmaster Charleston's office where Lauren comes in and just
you know, just tears him a new one and refers
to him as l Duce and they and he's cool
as a cucumber and just says, listen, the rules are
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the rules. Maybe she shouldn't be here, she doesn't have
to be here, she doesn't have to go to Harvard,
so on and so forth, but the rules are the rules,
and she could she So he he bent a little
bit and told you that she can take the test
or she can do some extra credit work. And that
was the message you were leaving for her. You can
take some extra credit. And you were you said, this
(05:31):
message is Ferrory. And I talked with the dean and
he the headmaster, and he said, you can take some
exstra credit and get caught up, and we're going to
get you in a place where you should be. Anyway,
and by the way, if your mother is listening, Laurela,
I really enjoyed. Okay, well, I define thought listen. I
(05:54):
just thought, wow, wow, okay, so so so let me
rephrase is what I just said. The question you caught me.
So the question was whether I think Scott Colin thinks
it's a problem. But obviously Max mcdina was a little
kind of you know, he exploited the phone call a
(06:17):
little bit um, but he didn't innocently. You know, that
was Max mcdeina's way, you know, if it was it
was convenient to talk to Laurela, if he had if
he was leaving a message for Rory, but he's busy,
he didn't have time to leave. He didn't. Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't think it's a problem though, I mean, I
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that's the drama of the show, really, I mean, for
Max mcdina at least, I think that's part of the
drama which leave which somehow, I mean, I think that
does play a part in what Laurelized decision in the
end becomes it you know, this whole kind of like
uh confluence of relationships. I mean, I don't know what
was in any or in his mind, but you know
(07:01):
that that there was, that there was those issues were
prevalent for for Laura la that you know might have
led to you know, not being sure about what you
know to be with Max or not, So that maybe
that was really part of the whole thing why she
left Hartford. She couldn't get away with that stuff. At
the country club, right right, come to a small town
and just sort of exactly corrupt that place. There you
(07:23):
go with all her glory and yeah, sparkling personality. Sure,
poor innocent Maxi Medina. So so you're a victim. Okay, exactly,
that's the way I see Scott. What Scott, Scott, what's
with the touching? The world? So there was a lot
of touching. What what this is twenty years ago? Man?
(07:49):
Every time? For me, it's been forever. I never saw it.
It even wasn't even aware. But you you, my friend,
you know, we got to talk about the touching because
the touching, I mean you were like you were rubbing
her elbow with your thumb. This is this is with
(08:09):
Lorela Okay, yes, yeah, yeah, you know this is this
Max Medina's charmed I mean you know he was in
love with Laura Lae. He was, you know, any any
way he can get close to her, he would get
close to her. Man, Boy, did you ever I mean
talk about a full court press? Nice, you were going in,
(08:30):
you were going to the hoop? Oh god, um, yeah.
I don't think you'd be allowed to do that these days.
I mean I think you would. You would need permission
to you know, to kind of create that. But I
think that, I mean, I do think that that. I
don't think it was manipulation. I think that it was
(08:51):
you know, um, you know Max's honest feelings about Laura
La and you know he really fell deeply in love
with her and just really wanted to be close with
her in any way that again, and if she accepted it,
then you know, um, it was all good. It was
not you know, it was not an issue. So she
defended very well. I mean she she denied you denied,
(09:15):
you denied you. This is not a good idea, my daughters.
You know, she she you know, she she walked the
high road, if you will. But man, you just the
rubbing some on. You just kept you, just kept kept
said there was there is no high roads. Am I
(09:36):
talking about high road? No? I guess you know. I
to me, it was all just about his you know,
his his his desire and his his um his lust
for her and which he felt was real. It was
real for him. It was totally real for him. I mean,
(09:57):
I guess it was real for her too on So
it wasn't you know, until she felt like it wasn't.
I don't even remember if there was a reason, was
there a reason that that she left her, or you're
not even up, You're not there yet. No, I don't know.
I don't know. We're dealing with right next. I haven't
moved past the touching. It's driving me crazy, keeping me
(10:20):
up at night. That was in the in the in
the in the diner scene, and you're in your dinner,
in your dinner. No, No, it wasn't in my diner. No.
I met her in Hartford. She was taking in some
classes at the local college there, and she said, maybe
we can meet for some place whatever was and you
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you were rubbing her arm, and she didn't look at
you when you started doing it, or looked down. She
just sort of looked out. And I could tell she
was shocked by it, and that not a lot of
men had been touching her in that way. And I
got the feeling she kind of liked it. And then
you did it again after you were telling the story
(11:05):
of your uncle. You would you would have gotten to
her much sooner in the show. If you had done
the same thing as me, the show would have been cut.
It would have been a three year, three year show.
That's why I'm so worked up about it because why
didn't I do that? It just took you a long time,
and it was and it was more appropriate too, because
it was like, I'm not I'm not well, I was
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Rory's father's figure. But I can rub a little bit?
Why can't I rub? Everyone could rub? I see you
See that's why, that's what makes you, Scott Cohen, because
you made those choices as the character, and you want
her heart. And the second time you rubbed her, she
looked down at your thumb and then she smiled. She
liked it. She liked you, so I got her my
(11:48):
favorite scene. But are you are you? Are you up
to the where we where we talk at the door
where me guess we're a Cinnamon's wake, where you the
died Babbett's cat died and you come for the date
and she's not there, and then she sees you and
comes home and says, sorry, we gotta read, we gotta
we gotta reschedule, and you and then you, the master
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of your craft, say maybe you know, maybe we shouldn't
do this. I really like you, Laura Ala, but I
don't want to waste your time. And it's kind of
a thing. And then you sort of walk off and
she's like no, no, no no no no no no,
we can do it again. And you said, and you
make the decision of like, well, okay, we can we
can try this again. Um but okay, so here's here's
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the deal. So you made that choice as the actor
Scott to have Max rubbing. Where did that come from?
Did you talk about that with Lauren before or did
you just lay that on her? No? I mean, I
just I just did it. I mean I think that Lauren, um,
who I experienced as a very accepting uh um actor
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you know, I mean, you knew your lines when you
walked in, and uh didn't really um waste a lot
of time. She was you know, she allowed you to
just be who you were. And and that's you know
that I didn't. I don't. I don't think. Um. I
think maybe if we kissed, I think there was maybe
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a conversation, um, but you know, not too much and
uh and I think we were in bed ones that
might have been a conversation. But this, no, this was
just uming effect. I've never I've never been asked this
question before. This is I'm I'm a bit stumped. I
think it's just you know it is for me. You know,
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it's interesting because the whole, the whole show that started
for me. I don't know what your process was, but
like when I I was offered like three episodes, right
and um and at that time, now it's like, you know,
I'm happy I got I would get that money. At
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that time, it was like that's that sucks, um and
the UH. And I actually said no for a long time,
like I didn't want to do it. I was like,
I don't really want to do this. And and then
I saw Lauren at a at some kind of like
publicity thing for this thing that I did, and and
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she was just so fantastic and fun and um, and
I was like, you know what, I think this could
be really fun to do and um. And so so
I took it and there was there was such like
an um, a welcoming kind of sensibility from any and
Lauren when I got on set that uh it allowed
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me just to really be free and not not feel
kind of burdened by any kind of what I'm supposed
to do or um. And so I just felt free.
And I have to say, I mean, I don't I
don't think I feel that way. You know, I'm not.
It's it's um not something that uh not that that
particular thing, but you know, feeling that kind of freedom
on a set doesn't come, you know, every day. So
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you know, that's one of the reasons I remember it
as such a lovely experience. And besides the the fandom
of it all and being recognized for it like just
you know, and twenty this is what it's a you know,
twenty years later, one years it's crazy, man. It's like, um, anyway,
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do you want me to read you I'm gonna read
you the voicemail. I'm gonna take you back. Here we go.
This is the voicemail you left in episode for the
Deer Hunters on on Laurel ez loreal Ize uh answering, Hi,
this is a message for Rory. It's Max Medina calling.
I just wanted to say that I talked to Headmaster
Charleston or Ill do Cha as he is more affectionately
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known at the Gilmore Household, and he's agreed to let
you do some extra credit work to make up for
the miss test today. Uh. Now, I'm not sure what
extra credit work uh it is going to be, but
it probably will be time consuming and extremely painful. Uh,
it will, however, such a satist, it's it's just unbelievable. Um.
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It will, however, get you back to where I think
you rightfully belong. Rory, don't lose heart. Make this work.
And if your mother is listening, Laurel, I it was
a pleasure encountering you. Hope it happens again. Anyways, see
you in class by. You know, I think that I
think that that's brilliant writing. So so what what to
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me that's really about? Um? Uh, Max is is Max
knows laurelized like he got a glimpse of of who
she was and one that she probably would be on
the phone right listening and on this, you know, and
to um or listening to the to the to the
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recording UM and that and that he knew that, um,
that the fun of meeting her was going like it
was going to go someplace. And so so to me,
that's actually really innocent kind of you know, I mean,
for lack of a better word, charming kind of conversation.
But it's mainly focused on on Rory. I also think
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that Max Medina would have been and I actually don't know.
Maybe this did happen, but I think he would have
been quick to quit that job if Rory needed, If
Rory needed him to be separate from from their life,
I think that he would have been. He would have
found someplace else to go. I think Laurelae was much
more important than his work. Extremely honorable statement. Boy does that? Wow?
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Okay that that almost stops the train dead in its tracks. Wow,
you're good. You're good, Scott Cohen, You're good, because I'll
tell you because man, that one move. And even back
that I'm not just saying because if today how things are,
but even back then, I mean, did you ever consider
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when reading it and rehearsing it and doing it that,
my god, I am placing Chiltern and in legal hot water.
I am placing Rory in a very precarious position with
her classmates who are already showing aggression towards her, um,
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you know, as the new kid, as you know, somebody
who's attractive and super intelligent. And I mean you notice that. Yeah,
I mean I think I think that. I think that
Max Medina, you know, if there's a if there's a
flaw to his character, it was that laurel I really was.
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She took precedence so so it wasn't it wasn't. Um.
I don't think he did think about those things. I
think that he probably, I mean, I think he did
think about them slightly, like don't you like, don't go
this far, to go this far? But UM, I don't
think it was at the forefront of his mind. I
think at the forefront of his mind was that he
met this woman that he was really falling in love
with and and and just that um and wanted to
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be with her. You know. I I think the reason
I'm having such a visceral, visceral reaction to all this
is because I've never seen it before. And I never
realized that Amy through so many, um serious contenders into
the ring with her, and that she was deeply considering
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and you know, just from what I've been hearing about
the the lifeline of your relationship on the show with
her is that it was very serious and um, you know,
I just never realized that it was so real, and
it was so real for her and for her character,
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and that you guys, you know, were just about together.
I mean, you were it was happening. Um. And I
remember reading all the scripts and I knew it, uh,
but seeing it is a different experience. It's a very
powerful experience for me because if you know, all these
feelings are coming up, all these sort of uh, you know,
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I was getting a little j But do you feel
I'm just curious, do you feel like that in the
at the end of like you end up with her
in the end? Right? Yeah? So do you do you
feel like that you're you're as as Luke, that your
your worthiness of Luke, that it went through this kind
of uh, you know, this crucible of of of other men,
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and you know that you ended up you know that
you were successful in the end. I mean, you know,
you're probably That's a really good question. And nobody's ever
asked me that question before. Not that this is about me,
it's about you, But you asked me the question. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna consider it. Um. Yeah, maybe maybe
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there was something in him that she was too classy,
to educated, too too smart for him, too on top
of everything that he would never have a chance. He's
just a small town guy and he doesn't have big aspirations,
you know, he's not. Yeah, I think there was some insecurity, there,
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some deep insecurity that he couldn't handle or or make happy,
a woman who was so obviously spectacular. It was she
was just a bright light in that town. Not not
that you know that there weren't other bright lights in
that town, but she was like really like you put
her anywhere, and it's like, wow, um, that's so interesting.
(21:39):
You know, it's like it's really a credit. I mean,
I'm I'm I'm not really sure, but I'm pretty sure. Like,
uh that Amy left after six seasons or something that right,
like the last season, but I mean, I would imagine
you know that the development of character over seven years
of the entire time, it's such it's such a credit
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to that Amy and Dan to kind of reach a
point of you know that there was great humility in
the idea of small town love, that there was this
really um I mean, and you see that throughout the
entire show, like small town really created you know, such
camaraderie and community and all this kind of stuff. But
you know that that small town love wins in the
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end because it really is an emblem of what real
love can and should be. It's not something you know,
you don't need to be um. You know it everything
kind of falls to the wayside, whether it's being you know,
fancy and elegant and intellectual or you know, what really
matters is that you have feelings for somebody and that
that's that's that's sharing. That's sharing is uh is of
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the utmost importance, which is I mean, it's pretty interesting
that Amy and Dan. I mean, there's you know, they're
they're they're so good at it, and I think I
think you know now that I think about another element
is uh, he probably was protect Luke was probably protecting
himself against any potential breakup. And he you know, I
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don't know if you've ever been a situation when you're younger,
I've I've been a couple of those where it's like,
I don't know if I can handle losing her, So
I don't really want to be terribly aggressive. I don't
feel like I deserve her anyway. And she's gonna dump me,
she's gonna find me out, and then I'll be just
a wreck, you know. So there's that so interesting perspective,
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very interesting, very interesting. Um. But the touching, God, the touching.
I watched it over and over again. I was uploaded
at night. I wonder there must be a gift out
there about touching. I'm sure I was learning I was,
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and if not, I'm sure there will be. Now. I
tried it on my wife and she she hit my
hand away. She goes, what are you doing? I said,
I'm Max Medini and you isn't it working? I'm Scott
coining you. Yeah, okay, So you weren't given any direction
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or of course not to touch that, I think, yeah,
I mean I might, I might have been given. I
don't really remember a lot of direction ever. Um, but
I'm sure Amy directed a lot. Not everybody directed, um.
I The only the only other person I really remember
(24:32):
directing is Michael Cattleman, unfortunately, UM, who I worked with
not too not too long ago. UM, who loved um.
But no, I don't think. I don't. I don't think
so well not to get to actory here. But the
reason I'm I'm focused in on the touching is it,
(24:54):
you know check Off Anton Chekhov talks a lot about
the psychology or mom, sorry, Michael check Off, the great teacher,
the cousin of the nephew of Anton uh talks a
lot about the psychological gesture and how you should trust it,
and that to me, that is the manifestation of the
psychological gesture. That is the perfect psychological gesture, which is
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what makes you, Scott Cohen, which is why you get
the jobs, you know, with all of the big people
in the big movies. And because you're you trust that
you go with that. So maybe there's a little actor jealousy, like,
damn it, that guy is good, you know to do that,
because that's a detail. You know, that's one of those
details that riles people up. But it it enhances the scene,
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and and and and it says so much without you know,
you having just say anything, and you just rubbing that outbow,
you're just rubbing well, Scott, I have to say, I
am so flattered that you say this, and I'm not
I'm really not joking, um because you know, you you
go through life, um never really knowing what your uniqueness
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uh possibly is. I mean as actors, you know, we
really just go from from job to job, audition to audition,
and you know, you work hard, and most of the
time it's working by yourself because you know, you're either
you know, on tape or you're you know, even when
you're shooting a TV show or a movie. You rarely
get like like like uh Gilmore girls, you rarely get
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that moment where you really understand how to you know
that you're you know, uh, interacting with somebody. Um. So uh,
I thank you for that because that really means a
lot that that someone else is seeing, um, something that's
kind of unique to me, and um that it just
means a lot. So thank you. You're welcome. I mean,
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it's a it's it's a bold choice. It's something that
just happened in your research and in the scene with
with Lauren. And you know, a lot of actors wouldn't
have gone for it. They would have thought about out
it maybe, but they wouldn't have done it, or they
would have asked permission and then it would have become
sort of awkward and and not organic, you know what
(27:07):
I mean. So it's I mean, you just did it.
It was just so so let me ask you this. Uh,
I'm only five episodes in. What should I prepare for her?
Am I gonna lose my I don't know, I don't know.
I actually I've only seen a couple of scenes from
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all the episodes. I don't think I watched after I
was in it. Really, Um, you know, there there's there's
the big, big scene at the end um of his
you know where he asked her to marry her. UM,
and I think the show. The show is called A
Thousand Daisies or something like that. Um, and he buys
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her all these daisies and she's like in this and
she I think, I think she accepts in it. And
then I don't even remember how how she how she
doesn't marry me, whether, I don't know if there was
a wedding. I don't think there was a wedding, and
she doesn't come. I forget exactly how that turned out.
And then I remember, yeah anyway, yeah, and then I
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remember talking. I remember over the years, you know, over
those those few years, talking to Dan and Amy, you know,
they were going to bring me back, and then that
never happened. And then UM, yeah, M interesting. And you're
in New York right now, right upstate New York are
Oh and you've been there since uh the pandemic started
(28:35):
maybe or yeah, well yeah, I got actually just as
the pandemic was starting, I got rid of my apartment
in New York. UM, mainly because we were not spending
that much time there and then and we didn't want
to really pay for it anymore, so we um, so
we gave it up. But then and at the same
(28:57):
time the pandemic kid so it's like kind of normal,
we wouldn't be there. Um And you know, now if
I worked there, it's it's a bit of an issue,
like I have to find a place to stay usually,
but it's um. But I'm up here in the country
and it's fantastic and I love it right right right. Uh,
there's a yeah, there's a lot to be said. I
I sold my house in l a too, and we
went out a little bit to the country. Well I
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wouldn't say country, but of California. Yeah, yeah, we didn't.
We didn't make it out of California, but we still may.
Are you you're from back east, though, aren't you. Yeah,
I'm from Philadelphia, was born in Philadelphia, grew up in
South Jersey. Yeah, and I spent you know, a lot
of my summers in New York City because my sister
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was living with somebody there and married to somebody there,
so we would go up every summer. I'd go up
every summer in high school and just spend the summer
up there with her. Let's get back to this, uh,
this this role that you play that has has has
has had this sort of this nuclear bomb in my life.
So when you first got the script, did you have, um,
(30:05):
any kind of misgivings and you may have addressed us
already about a teacher dating a mom, did you have
any kind of thoughts you could put children in jeopardy?
Did you have any kind of thoughts about what this
could do to Rory, you know, because that's the thing
that I'm I'm responding to responding to. Yeah, unfortunately not.
I mean when I got the script, all I really
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saw was the romance. Hmm, That's that's what I really saw.
I mean, maybe I should have steen more of the
children thing that that would have been a little bit
more kind of But you know, there were never any
scenes between me and and the headmaster except in that
in the office, And I think if they were, if
they had written scenes for me to take me out
(30:48):
of the relationship and put me in the school more,
you know, to you know, to deal with that like
a like a friend that you're talking to that's like,
don't do this, Um, then I think I would have
thought about a little bit more. But um, there was
nothing in the script that was that was telling me
to um, to do anything other than what the romance
was dictating. I love the fact that ultimately what we
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discussed today was your love of her, and it was
a romantic ideal. It was the one. She was the one,
and you came on here, brave soul that you are,
and you know you truly were a rival. You were
a real rival. I mean, this was certain that was
that was never talked about. That was never talked about.
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It wasn't talked about like I was a rival or
that was never in any direction. It was never any
like the writer you know, Amy never uh, at least
with me. She might have talked about with the writers
like there might have been like this is the rivalry
where you set this up, but never as a direction
like this is a this is an issue. I mean
we did, are you did? Did we go head to head? Yet?
(32:01):
We know? But I now I that scene just popped
into my head where we're standing yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah,
but isn't that just one scene? I think we just
had that one scene? So yeah, So I mean that's
the only time we really you know, um, and I'm curious,
I wonder if there was any kind of dialogue that
was about Luke, you know, uh, I don't think so,
(32:25):
but I don't remember anyway. That wasn't that what that
was set up by writing, not necessarily by you know, performance,
I think, which is better because because then I'm not
I'm not thinking about the competition. I'm thinking about just
Laura La. I'm just thinking about like that's the goal.
The goal is Laura La. But the competition plays out
in the writing of it, not not in the Uh.
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You know, if you're constantly playing like the jealousy, then
you're not You're not really playing the romance, the romance,
which ends up being what people I think become attracted to.
I agree with you because I think in the in
the Foyers, you know, I was playing fear and insecurity
and really being threatened. I mean I really sensed that
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this was gonna go bad for me and then I
was gonna lose her. So I do. I do remember that.
But of course you cover and you try to be
the tough guy, and she's mine and this is what
I do for her. And I mean it was it
was it was schoolyard childish stuff, but it's it's there.
We are, Um, yeah, there are exactly. I want to
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do a little thing called rapid fire. You ready for this? Alright?
Alright here we got I know. How do you take
your coffee with cream? Can you smell snow? Yeah? Are
your team Logan? Just yeah? Sure? Because you from the Northeast,
I can smell, so you can smell snow man on
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the ground, you know, peeing the snow, you smell being
the snow. There you are you Team Logan, Team Jess
or Team Dean. You don't give for corpt I don't
even I'm not even Logan. I'm not sure who Logan is.
Jess I think was Jess? Was was his Milo? Right? Yeah? Uh,
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I have to say Team Dean. Okay, why because I
really got along with We were early on when he
that was like his first thing, right, that's j Jess
Jared Petti, like he's eighteen years old. Yeah, yeah, I
mean it was a lot of fun talking to him,
but you know, and it was you know, he was
just starting and we we formed a little bond for
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a little bit, and then um he becaun you know,
he went on to both of them, you know, superstar.
He was a sweet kid. He was a very sweet kid.
Who's the daddy? Um, you're asking me questions? I don't
even know what they're actually referenced. Daddy. Yeah, I don't know.
(35:11):
I don't know, not really. I gotta, you know, I
gotta ask the question. Yeah, I want to hear Melissa McCarthy,
which she's on what's your best memory of Gilmore Girls?
(35:31):
My best memory of Gilmore Girls has nothing to do
with the show. Um. It has to do with um
uh shooting on nine eleven and how they uh now
I've actually Pamela um the line producer. I forget her
last name, now, um she uh you nine eleven happened.
(35:56):
I was in l a shooting and my family, my
wife and my kids were in New York and we
lived in Soho at the time, which was very close.
And he had gone to school that day and I
saw the you know, the towers falling on the news
and went to set, went to went to the studio
that morning, right that I was working that day. Um,
everything shut down, obviously, but um, they got me on.
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They put me in a room. They were so concerned
with me getting in touch with my family, and they
put me in a room for twelve hours. They patched
me through all these ways of trying to get to
my my wife's cell phone and you know, just uh yeah,
it was it was like totally being taken care of
in a time when you feel like just you're you're
(36:41):
just you know, you're the ground under your feet is
just kind of taken. And did you did how long
did it take you to get in touch with your wife?
Twelve hours? Yeah, and yeah, and it was like and yeah,
it was just it was just incredible and I'll never
forget it. And it was I just felt like it
was so it was just so unbelievable. They just you know,
(37:03):
and had nothing to do with the show. But then
I think the next day we shot, or two days
later we shot. I remember shooting a scene with Lauren
in a car. Maybe it was like a driving scene
or something like that, and I it was just crazy.
I mean, you're like, you're not really like I was
kind of laughing the whole time and not really like
I don't know. And that was the other thing. They
got me out as quickly as possible. They like got
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me out on the first flight. That that when when
when flights started going back, and I remember, I uh,
not in live was on a Tuesday, and they flew
me on a Saturday morning. It was like the first
one of the first flights that got went out of
l A. So it was what a what a terrible experience?
Good god, twelve hours of agony? Wow. Yeah, But that
(37:47):
that's my that's my best memory because and other than that,
uh my, my, my best memories are just the whole
thing with Lauren and just having such a good time, um,
and with Amy and Dan uh and never just never
feeling threatened that the way I was doing things was
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was questioned. It was just always, you know, it was
always good. And I don't really remember, maybe because I
I was so you know, busy at the time. Um,
I don't ever remember feeling like, uh, you know, like
I needed, you know, to know if he's coming back
or you know, what's happening to Max. You know, it's
just what it was, what it was, I think. Yeah,
(38:28):
I mean that that's basically it the show that you're
binge watching right now. I just finished The Kaminsky Method. Okay,
cast member you texted most recently on The gumber Girls.
I'm in touch with Amy and Dana a lot. Okay,
So have you done an episode of mazel I? I
(38:50):
was on this this season, right, Okay? Cool? So okay,
So here's a Lauren question. Okay, did you know that
the two of you had a great see partner in
each other? Because it was so what's the word ping
pongy quick back and forth. I mean, did you know
pretty quickly that you were in really good hands with Yes? Yes,
(39:12):
I knew Lauren before the show, right, Um, they we
were actually in I did three three episode arc on
Law and Order, like in nineteen six, and I played
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a film director that that that murders his wife cuts
her up into little pieces. Um, and she was in
the same shown because he was. It was I touched her.
I touched her a lot before, so not going. I
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tried to get close. She wouldn't let me. Um. And
she was on the show. I forget exactly why she
was on the show, but she was on the show.
And my agent was like, oh, you know would be great.
You guys should work together and uh, you know, be fun.
And then we met each other and you know, she
was great and um, and this came up and I
(40:12):
knew that she was just totally special and and um
and extremely talented. I don't think that I was anywhere
near I mean, I don't know if you had this experience,
but I wasn't anywhere near as being able to speak
as quickly as I. And that was actually I was
(40:33):
I was lucky that Amy. Uh. And maybe this was
because it was kind of um first Amy's you know
uh um. She wasn't like as intense about um dialogue early.
Maybe I don't know, but my take on how to
do that dialogue was not not like you know, like
like rapid fire. I needed to be able to I
(40:54):
needed to be able to have some kind of like
you know, ground to it um. Whereas Lauren could memorize
these lines. I mean there's there was ninety pages per script.
You know, she memorizes monologues that, you know, like it
was unbelievable how you could kind of like lace stuff up.
But yeah, I mean it was totally I felt like that,
you know, it was a great scene partner, and she
really was. Again, she was very giving and very um
(41:19):
free about what I you know, if I wanted to
try something, she would go for it, and that you
know wouldn't be a problem. Um. And you know, she
wasn't judging or anything like that, which always makes it
easier because you know, you work with people that are
very judgmentally, You're like, oh my god, it's like I'm
completely stuck. It's gonna be a long day exactly exactly,
and so you know, so you have to like so.
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So she was great. I mean she was, you know,
a true um champion of you know, of of doing work.
I never saw her complain about anything, you know that
I wasn't part of, you know, if if that was happening,
I didn't know about it. Um. She was always like
right on on on on her stuff, and and and
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and and willing to uh to be a great scene partner.
And she was. She was really a good scene partner.
You know. One of the most impressive things I've ever
seen in my entire career was when uh we we
I mean we were there at three am doing a
diner scene. It was just the two of us, since
she had this big entrance monologue coming into the diner
and huff and the whole thing, and I mean it
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was like it was it was that much black ink.
It was like the whole page and she had just
spit it out fast. And not only did she have
to do that at three am after you know, a
monster day of twenty hours or something like that, of
working and uh, you know, ninety cups of coffee. We
we both had in us. Brian de Palma had been
(42:43):
there since the afternoon and he stayed. He stayed. He
was a fan of the show. His daughter loved the show.
And uh, Gallen heard the mother of the wife was there,
um as well. I think she was. But Brian de
Palmer was sitting right next to camera. Oh my god. Okay,
(43:06):
you know how we do our coverage for close up. Yeah,
he was like cameras the microphone. He was there, Brian
de Palmer and on her coverage, okay, on her coverage,
and she was flawless. She didn't she didn't flinch. I mean,
you talk about being under pressure with like a major
(43:28):
director staring you right in the face the entire monologue
and just she did it twice, nailed it. We moved on. Yeah,
she's so professional, so you know, and and yeah, really professional.
It was cool and I think that she, you know,
she must have felt. I mean, I I don't. I
(43:49):
don't really talk to Laren, but you know, she must
have felt, you know. And I mean it's interesting, like,
you know, somebody that you know is so successful at
a show, on a show for so long. You know,
she really seemed to do with it really well I
mean from my perspective, and not ever make it like
she's a star or you know, she was very humble
(44:10):
and you know, um, yeah, I mean I found it
incredible to you know, what I found incredible is if
I were in that position, and I were the lead
of the show and I was carrying a show like
that with so much dialogue and so many hours yet
you had to put in every day and I wasn't
getting and doing the level of work that she was
(44:32):
doing day after day, month after month, year after year,
season after season, and not really I mean getting recognized
or getting nominated at the rate which she deserved. Uh.
Kind of amazing that it went on for seven years,
because I mean we were obligated to six. We did
a seventh, um, but it's like how long can you go?
(44:55):
I mean, like what's the point after a while? I
mean not that you're doing it to be recognized, but
it's like, you know, it starts feeling you know, it
starts feeling bad, like come on, you know, maybe you know,
throw us a Golden Satellite Award or something. I mean,
I something, Um, but it was just odd and it
(45:17):
just sort of I don't know, there was this sort
of sour taste after a while on set, like we
can do, you know, what we consider to be very
high level work with very high level writing, and nobody
at these academies cares and it's not going to make
any difference. Not that you do it to win the
awards or get nominated, but you want to be invited
(45:38):
to the party a little bit, right, Yeah, you want
to be invited to the party totally. But you know what,
after so many years in this business, I do feel
like that, you know, because I too want to be
you know, uh invited to the party. But I feel
like that there are you know, there are things that
happened that never get recogn eyes that never get you know,
(46:01):
to see the light of day in terms of you know,
people kind of giving it the credit it deserves. And unfortunately,
it's it's for a lot of actors and a lot
of shows, a lot of movies that that don't get
that because there are Darling's that you know, uh that
that get chosen, you know, and unfortunately, and I don't
need to like trash you know, any organization, but you know,
(46:25):
whether it's the Academy or whether it's the Emmys or
whether it's you know, sa what we all know how
things get voted and you know it's, um, it's not
rocket science, it's you know, people, people choose. People don't
necessarily choose what's deserving one year. They choose, you know
what they know and it's not always you know the
(46:45):
case with one particular show, she she absolutely deserved an
enormous amount of tension for that, for that character, as
as as um as uh so many others know the girl,
the girl from Mrs maisil who, um, you know who's
getting an enormous amount of right right right right? So
(47:08):
which is a similar it's a similar character. Listen, buddy, Uh,
we know you gotta go. You're a busy guy. Thank
you for your time. This was amazing, It was great.
It was great spending time with you. And Uh, I
think I'm gonna send you some coffee. I have my
own coffee company. Did you drink coffee? Do you really?
(47:28):
I do? Yeah? Uh send it to me definitely, all right,
they'll get yeah, yeah, they'll get your phone and all that.
But it was amazing talking to you. Thank you so
much for taking the time we'd love to have you back.
It's great sea and I'm so glad that you explained
to me that it was really just romance. It was
just romantic love and it took precedent over anything. And
(47:53):
how honorable of you to say, I'm going to step
away from Chilton too if it comes to that for
this woman that's the true rival on guard, my friend,
my guard. We will meet again anyway, Stay well, stay safe,
all the best, buddy, take care all right man. Thanks
(48:45):
hey everybody, and don't forget follow us on Instagram at
I Am all In podcast and Emailie at Gilmore at
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