September 5, 2025 • 45 mins
On our new podcast This Isn’t Old Man Music, we are diving into the music of Gilmore Girls!
For our first episode, Scott welcomes the Town Troubadour, Grant-Lee Phillips and Carole King’s daughter, Louise Goffin live from Warner Bros. Studios!
We are going beyond the stage and behind the curtain with Grant and Louise!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in. I guess this isn't Old Man
Music with Scott Patterson everything you've ever wanted to know
(00:21):
about the music of Gilmour Girls, Everybody, Scott Patterson, One
eleven Productions. iHeartRadio, iHeart Media, iHeart Podcasts. This is the
inaugural episode with my two lovely guests, Luise Goffin and
Grantly Phillips joining us after they're electrifying acoustic if that
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term has ever been used live concert for some verious
distinguished guests over here Warner Brothers Studios. And this segment
is called and this is a new thing we're rolling out.
It is called this is Not Old Man Music. Thank
you guys. We just did this wonderful event for Grant's
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thirteenth album release party. Louise, you joined Grant up on
stage to sing and play the amazing theme song for
Gilmore Girls. Grant tell us a little bit about how
it felt to be up there today and having a
major studio throw you a shindig of this scale for
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your album release.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Wow, what a fantastic kind of homecoming in a way,
you know, being back here on the WB lot pretty nice.
We had a tour group as well, that's pretty great.
And seeing a lot of old friends as well, you know,
it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, what a show though. Anyway, thirteenth album, Yeah, great
relationship with Warner Music. Tell us how it's how it
all began? First song? We did it all begin with
Gilmour Girls and you being cast as a town troubadour?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh goodness, well this would have been about.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Two thousand, right five years ago?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, yes, yes, okay, right.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know I had been with Grantly Buffalo vocalist, you know,
in the band Grantly Buffalo and all that, and and
around this time I was kind of starting to go
out on my own, working on my first solo album,
and that was about the time that I got this
this invitation. Do I want to come on this show,
this new show and portray the town Troubadour?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And so it was.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It was great timing because you know, all of a sudden,
I wasn't on the road all the time I was recording.
I was kind of just wide open to whatever the
future wanted to throw at me. And there it was.
Gilmore Girls. Had no idea that you know, beyond one appearance,
that it would you know, involve you know, so many
seasons and there's this incredible lifetime.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
How many how many episodes did you end up doing
do you remember?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Been like I'm going to say maybe twenty.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's pretty good. Did you notice a hike and album
sales or record sales? Uh? More people showing up at
your on tour when you were touring well as a
result of the show, You know.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
What, I Uh, it's interesting some and this it still occurs.
The ripples continue.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
To this day.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know when I when I go out and play,
I typically meet people to come to the show.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Some people that know Grantly Buffalo, some people that have
followed my solo stuff, and then a whole other group
of people that it's because of this program right that
they come to the show.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I can't walk down the street in Amsterdam, ken you anymore?
I can't. You can't, you know, it's like crazy. You
have to jump into the canal just I do, swim away,
don't you? So what's the country? What's the big country
for you? Are? They're all the same in Europe? When
you when you play over, I know you're embarking on
a on a European tour. Pretty soon, pretty soon, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Going over across across the pond, as they say, is
that like maybe is it September October?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
October? Yeah, a whole bunch of dates coming out here soon.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
What's the best attended countries? Are they all the same?
Are they? Is there a country that you particularly love
to go back to? Not to alienate anybody, I don't
want to alienate anybody.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
That's the thing I've had.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I've had great history in the UK, you know. I mean,
there are certain cities that I returned. They speak English
there I don't, but they do the form of it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I understand that they do. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Derivation of heart, Yeah, make up my own words. Yeah,
I mean I we began.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Touring with the band back in the early nineties, and
so there was, you know, kind of an opportunity to
build something, you know. But we we performed in France
and Germany and Scandinavia, Netherlands, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
In January, I'm going to be up in Finland.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I'm going to be up in Lapland, which I've never
performed in before.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That's exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is a I'm I'm I'm I'm hoping it's legit, right,
somebody hasn't just kind of like booked me a lift
right to Lapland.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
How big is your entourage? How many? How many in
your band and people helping out and all that gear.
Sometimes you're renting gear in each country, you're taking gear
with you.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm not unlike the town Troubador, I have guitar, will
travel there, you know. Yeah, that's that's how I That's
how I work. And you know, I I occasionally have
someone when I'm overseas who would be my my tour manager, bodyguard,
groomer and uh dog walker, dogwalker, financial advisors to go,
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you know, and and that.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Person will they'll go to the show, they'll help me
get good.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Sound and all that stuff, you know, and we'll have
a pint or two. Well we'll shed a tear you
know over the days. Yeah, yeah, and uh, when I'm
out on my own here in the States, a lot
of times I don't have that luxury of having the
extra entourage one gentleman. So it's a solitary situation, right, Yeah.
(06:09):
A good time to write, though, good time to write
sad songs about being on Drein's there you.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Go, and the world needs those, you know, they, I mean,
there's not enough of that such a. Thank Louise, Hello Scott,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
You're very welcome. Let's talk about how YouTube first met.
Did you? Did you? Did you meet on the show's a?
Did you know each other beforehand?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I feel like I.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Knew you before that, but I'm not sure where. Maybe
I came to a show that you did in Santa Monica.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh well that could have been.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, But then we did the reboot together and
we were in the trailer going over our lines, and
it was really interesting because we were, you know, trying
to say it this way, trying to say it that way,
and then Amy just kind of like threw a wrench
at us and said, no, no, no, when you say
the lines, he's going to.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Be chasing you down the street doing.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
A zigzag like in the cartoons, like sip zip zip tip,
and so all of the like super analytical, how should
I say this line? Was just all of a sudden.
You didn't think about it. You were just running, right.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Those were such fun scenes that was hysterical that rivaled
naked Kirk with a pillow over them running through the
first kiss Your Your Stuff was very funny. I remember
those scenes. Did you rehearse them a lot?
Speaker 6 (07:35):
I mean, I imagine it was just you know, he
came by the trailer and said, hey, should we run
our lines?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, some very dramatic readings of our lines. It was like,
you know, listen, sister.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You'll never get away with it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, well at you me, And then it came time
to shoot and they were like just run like crazy?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Or wasn't there something like she's not even your mom?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
So Louise, tell us a little bit about how you
grew up and what led you into the world of music.
Were your parents involved in music? I'm just kidding.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Well, my parents were writing songs when I was young,
so I thought that's what all grown ups did, they
wrote songs together.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I wasn't pretty.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
I had a really active fantasy world when I was
very young because my parents, while they wrote a lot
of known songs in our house, and they'd always close
the door like not now you know, But they'd drive
into New York City and unbeknownst to people, they did
not go to the Brill building. They went around the corner.
(08:50):
I think it's seventeen fifty Broadway if I have that
address right where Alton Music was, but being in the
suburbs in Western Range, New Jersey, and you know, my
parents driving off in a buick. I'd be home alone
a lot with you know, a housekeeper and my little sister.
And so I got kind of lost in records and
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like this fantasy world of like, you know, I'd look
at the gatefold of.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
You know, Mickey.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Mouse and Tchaikovsky, you know, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, and I'd like, go, oh,
I want to I want to be somewhere where I
can direct an orchestra. And I listened to the monkeys,
and we did watch TV shows together when they were around,
Like at Sullivan's show would come on, and it was
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I went back to that house actually about ten years
ago because I was on tour and we drove in
the neighbor. But I said, wait, we're like so close
to my house and the owner was raking leaves outside,
and when I went up and I said I used to.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Live here, he said, come on it.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
And so I was walking through this house and saw
where the TV was and I was like, God, we
always to gather around. This's like twenty one inch tvcent
that little thing. So yeah, they were doing that and
then we moved to la to Laurel Canyon, which was
a total shock to my system. And my parents separated then,
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which was also a shock to my system. And I
guess I always felt, particularly from my dad, that you know,
him being able to write lyrics was his way of
staying grounded when otherwise he'd be pretty bipolar. And so
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I learned quickly that life is going to go through
really big changes and there'll be bigger than you can
even like process.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
But if you can do this thing where you.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Can write a song about it, you have a shop
of like keeping a sense of yourself. Like somehow that
message got through to me.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Interesting, And you set out when did you really set
out to be a singer songwriter? How old were you
when you Was it a decision that you made and
that's what I want to do or was it just
something that I did.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I kind of always knew, like when I was eight.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I think I took piano lessons when I was like seven,
and I you know, had some the Swanda over the
you know, it was Robert something Thompson's you know easy right,
And I learned that song. And then as soon as
I knew a couple of chords. I was like, I
don't want to learn other people's songs. I'm going to
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put these songs. I want to put these chords together
in my own way. So I was kind of doing
that from eight, but then we moved to LA, and yeah,
I just started writing songs.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I think when I.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Was I think it was I was fifteen or sixteen.
My mother came into my room. This is post tapestry, okay,
and I had done a bunch of demos and she
knew that I was like really serious about like wanting
a record deal, and she really tried to talk me
out of it, and she was like, well, I'm not
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sure if she was like it's a little soon for
my daughter to be right up behind my heels, you know,
because she was a young mom, or if it was
just like she knew how successful she was and that
it might be hard for me to follow. But she
was like, are you sure you want to do this?
And I was just like yeah, She's like, you know,
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it's going to be hard, and I was like, that's
all about other people. Like I already knew that that
was about other people. That I was like destined to
do this thing and was going to do it and
regardless of what other people said or comparisons that that
had nothing to do with.
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Speaker 1 (15:34):
Grant, do you remember the time when you decided to
be a singer songwriter where you remember the moment where
it just was like, this is what I'm going to do,
this is what I am, this is what I do.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean there was a period probably I would
think maybe fourteen fifteen or all of a sudden, you know,
I had a few chords under my belt, and I
had really been studying song lyrics. You used to publish
magazines song hits. You know, it was just nothing but
song lyrics, and you could really kind of take apart
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those songs and see, you know, this is the verses,
the chorus. And that was a time maybe like you know,
mid seventies where it was kind of a golden era
in terms of songwriters. Yeah, And I don't know, and
at that age kind of like teenage years in high school. Well,
all of a sudden, I had like a whole I
had a mast, a lot of songs, had a big folder.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But I kind of kept out it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I didn't really say it out loud that I was
a songwriter until I was in my early twenties.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I guess, who are the big heroes of yours? Who
are the songwriters that you just, oh gosh loved well?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I was taken to see, you know, I grew up
with Elton John of course, you know, great Bernie Toppins
lyrics and Elton melodies somebody. I was taken to see
Neil Young quite early on, and it was just him
and his guitar and his you think you had two pianos,
you know, whole slew of guitars, and that really made
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a real impact on me, seeing what one could do,
you know, with with nothing more than a melody and
an instrument in words.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
You know, do you remember your first concert that you gave,
a first live concert.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Oh gosh, that I performed paid?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, that you performed paid or not? Or you know,
obviously the first one that I performed. If the first
one was a paid gig, then you were really good.
But yeah, the first time you got out in front
of people, I see what you mean.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Well, here's the weird thing.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And my my foray into entertainment came by way of
magic and the craft of esch apology, what you call it,
escaping from things. I was a Houdini fanatic and I
had a little magic act and I booked myself into
various venues in northern California and that was my That
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was my introduction to performing in front of folks. And yeah,
and I did that from like the age of like
eleven to thirteen, ten to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And then I picked up the guitar, and magic tricks
seemed very ridiculous at the point when I had discovered
the guitar.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
This is a lot cooler, I thought.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
You know, I don't know, there were bands that were
wearing capes who played, you know, guitars, but certainly music
was going to be what I said, the tricks aside.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Luise, do you remember the first time you played in
front of people and what that experience was like and
did you play all original songs?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I did some things. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
In junior high I played in assembly, right, okay, And
I remember that my junior high was a little scary
in Hollywood, Like there were when you went into the
locker room, there were girls in the locker room had
razor blades hidden in their afros.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Wow. So it was like, well, that's actually a good
place to hide them.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I mean, yeah, it was for sure. But I I came.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
From the East Coast, and like I felt myself to
be like a little of a runt, you know, like
everyone in LA when I said, it must be the
sunshine and the orange trees.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Why is everyone so big out here?
Speaker 9 (19:14):
Like you know?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
And I was like this East Coast Jewish, you know,
little girl in the locker room. And I was never
particularly you know, athletic. And I remember when I performed
in assembly, they used to kind of mess with me
a little bit, like make fun of me, you know,
do that thing that they do, you know when you
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first get rub their knuckles.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
But after I performed, they.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Exactly, but then they say, you leave her alone, she
can sing. Suddenly I was like I had a cool
card to pull out, and it also was good for
my protection.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Nice, yeah, Grant. When when when did you first get signed?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, we signed ninety two in the fall of ninety
two when the first record came out, I think.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
March of that ninety three big moment. It was a
big moment.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, although you know, as much as you you visualized
that moment, it was you know, in between, in between
dinner and going back to track some more. You know,
so in the end it's just kind of a you know,
a blip, right yeah, yeah, but you know, kind of
a pivotal though, of course, And you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Know, who is it with?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Who did you sign with?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Grantly Buffalo signed to Slash Records, which was one of
the great sort of indie punk labels here in Los Angeles,
and they had quite a roster, you know, Los Lobos, Action,
violent films, you know, boy Dream, Syndicate, on and on,
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you know, great stuff, and so we were really proud to
be on that, on that label, and they had they
had connections to other distribution, Warner Brothers, you know, Reprise,
and so that was really monumental for us.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
How'd the record do?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
The record did good, you know, it received a lot
of critical praise.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And that moment in time in the early nineties, I
feel like it was sort of a it was an
interesting period where maybe those at the Helm kind.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Of went the kids, Well, they know what they're doing,
let them, let them do their thing, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And a lot seemed to slip through the cracks right
in a great way, you know. And then eventually somebody
came back and a round and says, what are they
doing out there? And it got you know, it got
a little harder to be experimental. But I look back
at that period of time, what was on the radio, Well,
of course Nirvana readers. You know, it was like all
this stuff that had kind of bubbled up in the underground.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Became sort of mainstream, you know, because of TV.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, but you know, it was a good time for
like music that was kind of coming from a very.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Soulful kind of place.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know, even if it was aggressive, it was still
yearning to be honest.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And do you.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Remember a moment where somebody was in the audience that
just made you like.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
What I'm thinking, I'm thinking, did.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Your mom ever show up and make you really nervous?
Speaker 5 (22:20):
My mother wouldn't make me nervous.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So if she showed up, it would be we're talking
about it.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
She'd be like trying to hide and be momager and
like try to sew up something that you know needs
sewing before I go in stage and then make some
comment like I've never played anywhere this small before. That's
what happened at mccabees when she came there and people
left her alone and say, you know, she's she's Grandma here,
(22:49):
she's not Carol because I had my kids there, and
she's like, leave her alone, she's being grandma right now.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
And she said it was such a sweet show. I
don't think I've never played anywhere this small.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah, I mean I can't think of exactly when, but
I know that there are times when I get really
like just nervous for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
You know, you get nervous for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I kind of never want to know if there's you know,
I don't want to know who's on the guest list
or anything like that, or you know, I just want
to put it out of my head.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I just want to play.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
And you know, I played the Roxy when I was
twenty one.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Wow, wait, wait what you hear?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Stevie Nicks and Linda Ronstadt were in the audience.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Peter Asher, there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean it was like late seventies, early eighties, it
was early eighties.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
It was eighty one, gotcha, and I must have been
I must have been pretty nervous. But I did this
really like punk rock thing where I walked out on
the table. I even put the sex Pistols song Problems
in the middle of my set. But yeah, and I
don't know, like I've befriended some mentor when I was younger,
(24:13):
I befriended a lot of mentor like beyond my mother,
you know, she's my mom, but like Stevie Nicks came
down to my first recording sessions, and you know, Danny
Korchmar produced my first record, and he would kind of say, like, Stevie,
come on, give Louise rock star.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Lessons and things like that.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Basically would just always be like, you know, do what
you do, be yourself, you know. And and throughout my
career there are times I've been insecure and I think, well,
how do they do it? You know, like it sounds
like I forgot everything, and I'd go, well, how do
they do it? And I remember talking to be York's
manager and I.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Was like, how does she do it?
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Like she's so and he'd be like, she's non different
than you, Like it's just it's all the same, you know,
like you just so I kept thinking like, it's this
thing you put on, but then I realized it's just
something I embody.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
You know, you think like a songwriter.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
You hear a turn of a phrase and you go,
that's a title and you write it down, or you're
playing a guitar and you go, oh, you know that
thing was like, I can't pick up my guitar because
if I pick up my guitar, I know I'm going
to come up with the song.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
And if I come up with a song.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Then I'm going to have to like feed it and
nurture it, send it to college, and I'm not going
to get any sleep tonight exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So let's talk about that, Grant. Do the songs just
come to you and they download very quickly or for you?
Is it a process? Or is it both? It can
happen either way.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I can think it can happen in any number of ways.
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Do you remember a song that just came to you
fully formed and it was like, Wow, that's a great
song and I gotta get it down. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Sure, there were, you know, and sometimes those songs are
typically a little simpler in their form, and sometimes they
take me places where I just don't know where it's going.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
The north Ridge earthquake was a horrific thing to go through.
This It was, you know, my family and I, My
wife and I we were living up in Santa Clarita
at the time, lost the house, you know, and in
that state of trauma, wound up kind of staying on
some blow up mattresses for a while. But I was
plunking around on the banjo and outcome these words devastation.
(26:34):
At last, finally we meet. It's the song mocking Birds.
And it came so quickly that way. I don't know
that it would have come in that fashion had I
not been in such a kind of like a.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Cat, you know. It's kind of my claws dug into
the couch, you know.
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Speaker 1 (28:55):
So that's my next question. Do you try to get
yourself in some kind of a state to write a
certain type of song or are you just sort of
you know, your your antennas up all the time and
you're receiving whatever you can receive. It's like, do you fish?
Do you always have your guitar with you? Are you
always having your fishing rod in the water I'm waiting
(29:17):
to catch because if you don't, and if you don't
have your guitar with you, if you're not open to it,
do you feel like these songs will just go to
somebody else? I'm not certain.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I like that analogy of fishing for something though, because
some days you have to show up and it's like
you get credit for that somehow, you know, well we
didn't throw you didn't catch anything last week.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Right or the one before.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But right, you know, this guy's been here seven days,
eight months in a while we haven't. Let's give him something, Guys,
it feels like that, so then give them a smash hit. Right.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Well, I find that when I when I go out
on the road and I'm by myself and I'm sitting
alone in a hotel room or backstage, that's when I
have the perfect degree of solitude boredom, and I happen
to have the guitar in my hands.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So it's something about that, you know, that helps a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know, Luise, have you ever tried to write a
hit song?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
I just posted something about I'm getting all the songs
off of my hard drive that are sitting there, and
I'm trying to get all my friends to do the
same thing. And please, you know, let yourself be messy
and don't listen to the voice in your head that says,
go and write a hit song. I think it's the
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worst advice you can give anybody. Like you know, you
can't write a hit song. You can only write a song.
You know what you do afterwards with it, maybe you
turn it into a hit, or maybe you write a
song and you go, that's a hit song, but you can't.
All right, there's a lot of like full time you
(30:52):
know songwriters who do just that. They sit and they
go like, let's write a hit song. But I feel
like I'm an artist.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I'm like my parents when I was young, before my
mother was doing this as an artist, they were songwriters.
They were craft people, writing songs for other people and
trying to write the next hit. That was something they
were doing. I learned I am not. I ain't one
of those. I came from a songwriting family, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Have that head at all, gotcha.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
I'm like an artist through and through. I'm like, make
a mess on a page, take the order, move it around.
And every time in my career where I've tried to
be a songwriter for someone else, I just feel like
I'm not embodying my own life, trying to get in
(31:49):
the head of like what that artist wants and what
that record company wants. And it's much more of a
business head than it is self express artist toy And
what we do is, you know, in the kind of
town tributeour tradition is we're storytellers, and we're like, I'm alive,
(32:13):
I'm on this planet, I'm feeling things, and my job
is to, you know, turn that into something, you know,
take my feelings of what it is to be alive
today and turn that into a tune.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Who have you seen live that you felt was truly
authentic and just an offering up to the heavens And
this is what I do. And it was this pure
beautiful attence Prince.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I mean, see Prince do like three hour show and
then go to a little club and do another three
hour secret show afterwards and never get tired.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Like I mean, it was a.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Tight show, but he he you know, he had the
craft and the discipline. Yeah, I mean, I've seen so
so many amazing show I saw Lana del Rey play
in Nashville, and I was blown away. Like I thought
in my head, I thought Lana del Rey was kind
(33:13):
of this like manufactured thing because of the way she looked.
And my friend said, oh no, she's heavy. She's heavy.
She's a heavy lyricist. And I was like, really, Lana
Delray And I went I was like, oh my god,
he's right, Like that was an amazing show.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Grant, what about you? Yeah, who have you seen that?
Speaker 3 (33:31):
You just went, wow, oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
You know who really sticks out? Who sticks out like
just a unique talent?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Michael Steye. Patti Smith.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I used to I used to go to Patti Smith
concerts in New York City in the mid seventies, early seventies. Yeah, wow,
the bottom line. And she would be speaking at Amnesty
International and I my sister's and I would sneak backstage
and eat the food. And she know, I met her
a couple of times. She blessed me. Once I actually
(34:08):
tried to Audi. She was in cbgbi's one night. I
mean I was about fifteen, and she was off to
the side talking to I guess a record executive, and
she had these she had these sunglasses on and a
trench coat, dark trench coat and with the blinders on
the side. And I heard I'd heard that she was
looking for a piano player. And I was playing a
lot of piano at the time. And I went up
(34:29):
and I asked. I entered, just completely busted into the
conversation and I said, Patty, I hear her looking for
a piano player, I'd like the audition. And she's just
like you're a little young. And I was so felt
so dejected that we just left and she followed us
(34:52):
out to the Bowery and we were about halfway down
the block and she said hey, and I turned around,
she goes, good luck. So I felt like I'd been
kind of blessed by the punk goddess and I was
just a kid, and full circle. Her daughter got in
(35:12):
touch with me because she's a fan of the show
and invited me to come see Patty downtown La. She
was playing in some venue downtown LA, and I went
and reconnected. You know, it was like forty years later
or whatever. It was kind of kind of trippy.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Wow, yeah that's great.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm a big Patty Smith fan.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
She has an incredible way.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, just you know, you remind me energy in the room.
But yeah, you do the same thing, by the way,
because the thing that I forgot about Patty. Yeah, And
what really brought me back into that my teenage years
is when I went to see her in La. The
story she told him between the songs and how damn
funny she is and endearing and smart and sarcastical little
(36:00):
bit and you kind of have some of that. Oh wow,
you it's like you find yourself rooting for the artist
because they just made you laugh and they were self
deprecating and great and open and lovely. Right, so it's like, yeah,
singer song, I love the song before you even start, right,
So you embody that too.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
You're both you both are great storytellers. I mean when
you just told this story about Patti Smith, I saw
the whole I felt like I was I was just
right there.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I saw the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, she's a big influence on me getting out of
the East Coast and breaking out and doing what I
really want to do. Yeah. Yeah, she was a big
influence on me. Who for you are your big influences? Grant?
Who is your biggest musical influence? Would you say? Oh
that's a hard call, heflo Springfield.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Oh well, Neil Young would be very you know, I
would be pretty important artist though, you know, Dylan, you
know all of those sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Do you like that movie?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I did enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I didn't enjoy it, but yeah, certainly those writers from
that period of time.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
You know, Louise, who besides your own mother, who are
your biggest influences?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
You know?
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I never I didn't listen to my mother. I mean
I was.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I was taken on tour a lot and heard endless shows,
and Tapestry only reminded me of my parents divorcing, so
I didn't want to ever listen to It's too Late Baby.
But yeah, I listened to a lot of Joni Mitchell,
you know, and Fleetwood Mac. You know that that Rumors
(37:39):
record was just such a such a thing. But I
also listened to a lot of soul music. Yeah, I
love slying the family Stone. I listened to Spinners, like
all that stuff was on the radio, you know when
I went to junior High. Yeah, man, the Spinners they
were tom All all all those. I have a really,
(38:03):
you know, good encyclopedic mix of like black and extremely
Caucasian music, you know, like Bear your Soul Confessionals mixed
with you know, give it a rhythm.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Right, excellent? How many times have you to do? Edit?
Is this? This is not the first time.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
This might be the second.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
It's a thing.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Now.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
What was that Cornett Theater?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Years ago?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I think it was right after we we shot the
Gilmore Girls special. I was playing at Largo and invited
Louise come on down and.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
We did nice.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
We did where you leave there, and I think this
is only the second time we've ever done it.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Yeah, it was fun. Thank you for having me booth times.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Would you ever consider hooking up and touring together?
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Like you got to ask him?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, No, he's a big chase. I know that. Yeah,
what do you think would you?
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Would you put put them on the spot there?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Well, that's the microphones and where Yeah, that's the place
to put people on the spot right here? What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I think it's a very nice, nice billing.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yes, yes it really is. Huh you got can I
can I get a shout out from everybody? It was
a nice pairing today up there, wasn't it? I mean,
thank you? It really it really was. I mean not
that you didn't produce enough magic on your own sir,
uh and you did. They were very touching. I felt
(39:34):
myself wiping away a couple of two. I love musicians,
I love live performances. I love heartfelt, honest music. And
you were playing my favorite chord. It's an E. It's
it's an it's an E C thing.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
It's an that's a gang symbol you're doing right there?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Thought a guitar. I don't know what it means, but
tell me to get me a guitar. I'll play it
for you. But uh, I just enjoyed what, you know,
I was. I was transfixed by by what you were
doing on the guitar and and this beautiful style and
these these these wonderful chords that you would slide up to,
(40:15):
you know, just like ah, yes, nice nice. Uh you know,
you'd get me in the pocket and then you'd take
me over to this different country over here, speaking the
same language. And it was just wonderful to be in
front of that, you know. And I also what I
love about you is you don't sing too loudly, and
I so appreciate that you just sort of like meld
(40:37):
with the guitar and with the chords and the whole
spirit of what you're doing. So it all just works
so beautifully together. That's the magic I'm talking about. And
then when Louise came up, I mean you you had
to have felt the energy in the room, right, I mean,
it was just extraordinary. That's the only read. I don't
mean to put you on the spot, my god, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
No, no, no, it is really a special thing and
kind of what Louise was saying earlier, any opportunity to
kind of put ourselves outside of our head and just
kind of be in the moment and respond. That's that's
music really, you know, it's that's the hardest thing when
you perform by yourself, I think is that, you know,
you could become very self involved and excellent. I enjoy
(41:20):
just kind of harmonizing and finding some kind of other
supportive role, you know, being a being a cast member
in a song, you know, I love that.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's like standing out on stage and doing a long monologue.
It's terrifying.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, there's nothing to really bounce off except the sound
of your own voice and you know people in the
audience going ah something like that. You know, but it
was wonderful. So if you would consider it, you know,
I think I think I think it works.
Speaker 6 (41:46):
We do have twenty five years of Warner Brothers doing
pre promotion for us, so that that's definitely something in
our favor.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
They did. They did the hard part. You just got
to step in. Yeah, there you go. We'd love to
see that. Maybe uh holiday here, you could come by
and and play a few songs, you know, that would
be fun. We're gonna build a big stage for the podcast,
so you know, we could we get the heck out
of there for a couple.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Of minutes, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, guys, I really appreciate you taking the time. I know, Grant,
you're a very very tight schedule.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, yeah, very tight schedule. So you gotta get going.
You're starting some dates. You've got a couple of gigs.
You got one in Nashville coming up, and then a
couple of more in the States and then you leave
for Europe. Ye, tell us about the US gigs.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
East Coast starts September seventh, Okay, Vienna, Virginia, which is
right outside Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I got a Philadelphia gig in New York of Boston beautiful, Yeah,
and then Chicago. You know, just wonderful places to you know.
I don't get to see enough of them. I see
just you know, just a flash. I grab a piece
of a deep dish and I'm on my way.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yes, I know that, right, Louise. Anything coming up special
for you a lot?
Speaker 6 (43:01):
I'm going to Memphis next week and a song I wrote. Well,
I started the Goffin and King Foundation, where I host
a lot of songwriting retreats and introduce a lot of
people to a lot of other people in these songs
live on, and these friendships and communities live on. So
(43:25):
one of the songwriters there is recording a song that
we wrote last year in Memphis, putting.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Horns on it.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Then back to la and then I'm taking thirty songwriters
to London and we're going to be writing in London
and recording at Abbey Roads Studios. So yeah, I have
a studio here where I'd been putting out my own
singles and producing things. But this has been a real
joy for me too to be part of this community
(43:53):
and collaborating and again like working with other people. A
lot of the heavy list lifting is kind of coming
from here. It's not like in here when there's two
it somehow breaks this thing in your head and you've
got like this third energy which is like bigger than you,
and suddenly, like a song appears and it's like there
(44:16):
was no labor. It just like wanted to be born.
And that's an amazing thing to be part of.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
The act of creation.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
It is.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
It is an amazing thing. And so on writing and
you two do it so well. Top of your business.
Some of the best songwriting I've ever heard in performing,
It's an honor to talk to. Please come back to
the show. We have a hell of a lot more
to uncover. We're just scratching the surface here. Thank you
so much. Brantley Phillips, Thank you, Louise Goffin, thank you
so much. Coming next month, this series continues, so don't
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Speaker 4 (45:00):
Dot dot
Speaker 1 (45:24):
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about the music of Gilmour Girls, Everybody, Scott Patterson, One
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inaugural episode with my two lovely guests, Luise Goffin and
Grantly Phillips joining us after they're electrifying acoustic if that
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term has ever been used live concert for some verious
distinguished guests over here Warner Brothers Studios. And this segment
is called and this is a new thing we're rolling out.
It is called this is Not Old Man Music. Thank
you guys. We just did this wonderful event for Grant's
(01:04):
thirteenth album release party. Louise, you joined Grant up on
stage to sing and play the amazing theme song for
Gilmore Girls. Grant tell us a little bit about how
it felt to be up there today and having a
major studio throw you a shindig of this scale for
(01:26):
your album release.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Wow, what a fantastic kind of homecoming in a way,
you know, being back here on the WB lot pretty nice.
We had a tour group as well, that's pretty great.
And seeing a lot of old friends as well, you know,
it's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, what a show though. Anyway, thirteenth album, Yeah, great
relationship with Warner Music. Tell us how it's how it
all began? First song? We did it all begin with
Gilmour Girls and you being cast as a town troubadour?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Oh goodness, well this would have been about.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Two thousand, right five years ago?
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, yes, yes, okay, right.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
You know I had been with Grantly Buffalo vocalist, you know,
in the band Grantly Buffalo and all that, and and
around this time I was kind of starting to go
out on my own, working on my first solo album,
and that was about the time that I got this
this invitation. Do I want to come on this show,
this new show and portray the town Troubadour?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And so it was.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It was great timing because you know, all of a sudden,
I wasn't on the road all the time I was recording.
I was kind of just wide open to whatever the
future wanted to throw at me. And there it was.
Gilmore Girls. Had no idea that you know, beyond one appearance,
that it would you know, involve you know, so many
seasons and there's this incredible lifetime.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
How many how many episodes did you end up doing
do you remember?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Been like I'm going to say maybe twenty.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's pretty good. Did you notice a hike and album
sales or record sales? Uh? More people showing up at
your on tour when you were touring well as a
result of the show, You know.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
What, I Uh, it's interesting some and this it still occurs.
The ripples continue.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
To this day.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know when I when I go out and play,
I typically meet people to come to the show.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Some people that know Grantly Buffalo, some people that have
followed my solo stuff, and then a whole other group
of people that it's because of this program right that
they come to the show.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I can't walk down the street in Amsterdam, ken you anymore?
I can't. You can't, you know, it's like crazy. You
have to jump into the canal just I do, swim away,
don't you? So what's the country? What's the big country
for you? Are? They're all the same in Europe? When
you when you play over, I know you're embarking on
a on a European tour. Pretty soon, pretty soon, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Going over across across the pond, as they say, is
that like maybe is it September October?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
October? Yeah, a whole bunch of dates coming out here soon.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
What's the best attended countries? Are they all the same?
Are they? Is there a country that you particularly love
to go back to? Not to alienate anybody, I don't
want to alienate anybody.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
That's the thing I've had.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I've had great history in the UK, you know. I mean,
there are certain cities that I returned. They speak English
there I don't, but they do the form of it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I understand that they do. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Derivation of heart, Yeah, make up my own words. Yeah,
I mean I we began.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Touring with the band back in the early nineties, and
so there was, you know, kind of an opportunity to
build something, you know. But we we performed in France
and Germany and Scandinavia, Netherlands, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
In January, I'm going to be up in Finland.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I'm going to be up in Lapland, which I've never
performed in before.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
That's exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
It is a I'm I'm I'm I'm hoping it's legit, right,
somebody hasn't just kind of like booked me a lift
right to Lapland.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
How big is your entourage? How many? How many in
your band and people helping out and all that gear.
Sometimes you're renting gear in each country, you're taking gear
with you.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm not unlike the town Troubador, I have guitar, will
travel there, you know. Yeah, that's that's how I That's
how I work. And you know, I I occasionally have
someone when I'm overseas who would be my my tour manager, bodyguard,
groomer and uh dog walker, dogwalker, financial advisors to go,
(05:43):
you know, and and that.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Person will they'll go to the show, they'll help me
get good.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Sound and all that stuff, you know, and we'll have
a pint or two. Well we'll shed a tear you
know over the days. Yeah, yeah, and uh, when I'm
out on my own here in the States, a lot
of times I don't have that luxury of having the
extra entourage one gentleman. So it's a solitary situation, right, Yeah.
(06:09):
A good time to write, though, good time to write
sad songs about being on Drein's there you.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Go, and the world needs those, you know, they, I mean,
there's not enough of that such a. Thank Louise, Hello Scott,
welcome to the show.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
You're very welcome. Let's talk about how YouTube first met.
Did you? Did you? Did you meet on the show's a?
Did you know each other beforehand?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I feel like I.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Knew you before that, but I'm not sure where. Maybe
I came to a show that you did in Santa Monica.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh well that could have been.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
Yeah, yeah, But then we did the reboot together and
we were in the trailer going over our lines, and
it was really interesting because we were, you know, trying
to say it this way, trying to say it that way,
and then Amy just kind of like threw a wrench
at us and said, no, no, no, when you say
the lines, he's going to.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Be chasing you down the street doing.
Speaker 6 (07:10):
A zigzag like in the cartoons, like sip zip zip tip,
and so all of the like super analytical, how should
I say this line? Was just all of a sudden.
You didn't think about it. You were just running, right.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Those were such fun scenes that was hysterical that rivaled
naked Kirk with a pillow over them running through the
first kiss Your Your Stuff was very funny. I remember
those scenes. Did you rehearse them a lot?
Speaker 6 (07:35):
I mean, I imagine it was just you know, he
came by the trailer and said, hey, should we run
our lines?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, some very dramatic readings of our lines. It was like,
you know, listen, sister.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You'll never get away with it.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, well at you me, And then it came time
to shoot and they were like just run like crazy?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Or wasn't there something like she's not even your mom?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
So Louise, tell us a little bit about how you
grew up and what led you into the world of music.
Were your parents involved in music? I'm just kidding.
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Well, my parents were writing songs when I was young,
so I thought that's what all grown ups did, they
wrote songs together.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I wasn't pretty.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
I had a really active fantasy world when I was
very young because my parents, while they wrote a lot
of known songs in our house, and they'd always close
the door like not now you know, But they'd drive
into New York City and unbeknownst to people, they did
not go to the Brill building. They went around the corner.
(08:50):
I think it's seventeen fifty Broadway if I have that
address right where Alton Music was, but being in the
suburbs in Western Range, New Jersey, and you know, my
parents driving off in a buick. I'd be home alone
a lot with you know, a housekeeper and my little sister.
And so I got kind of lost in records and
(09:15):
like this fantasy world of like, you know, I'd look
at the gatefold of.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
You know, Mickey.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
Mouse and Tchaikovsky, you know, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, and I'd like, go, oh,
I want to I want to be somewhere where I
can direct an orchestra. And I listened to the monkeys,
and we did watch TV shows together when they were around,
Like at Sullivan's show would come on, and it was
(09:45):
I went back to that house actually about ten years
ago because I was on tour and we drove in
the neighbor. But I said, wait, we're like so close
to my house and the owner was raking leaves outside,
and when I went up and I said I used to.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Live here, he said, come on it.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
And so I was walking through this house and saw
where the TV was and I was like, God, we
always to gather around. This's like twenty one inch tvcent
that little thing. So yeah, they were doing that and
then we moved to la to Laurel Canyon, which was
a total shock to my system. And my parents separated then,
(10:24):
which was also a shock to my system. And I
guess I always felt, particularly from my dad, that you know,
him being able to write lyrics was his way of
staying grounded when otherwise he'd be pretty bipolar. And so
(10:45):
I learned quickly that life is going to go through
really big changes and there'll be bigger than you can
even like process.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
But if you can do this thing where you.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Can write a song about it, you have a shop
of like keeping a sense of yourself. Like somehow that
message got through to me.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Interesting, And you set out when did you really set
out to be a singer songwriter? How old were you
when you Was it a decision that you made and
that's what I want to do or was it just
something that I did.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I kind of always knew, like when I was eight.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
I think I took piano lessons when I was like seven,
and I you know, had some the Swanda over the
you know, it was Robert something Thompson's you know easy right,
And I learned that song. And then as soon as
I knew a couple of chords. I was like, I
don't want to learn other people's songs. I'm going to
(11:42):
put these songs. I want to put these chords together
in my own way. So I was kind of doing
that from eight, but then we moved to LA, and yeah,
I just started writing songs.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
I think when I.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
Was I think it was I was fifteen or sixteen.
My mother came into my room. This is post tapestry, okay,
and I had done a bunch of demos and she
knew that I was like really serious about like wanting
a record deal, and she really tried to talk me
out of it, and she was like, well, I'm not
(12:20):
sure if she was like it's a little soon for
my daughter to be right up behind my heels, you know,
because she was a young mom, or if it was
just like she knew how successful she was and that
it might be hard for me to follow. But she
was like, are you sure you want to do this?
And I was just like yeah, She's like, you know,
(12:42):
it's going to be hard, and I was like, that's
all about other people. Like I already knew that that
was about other people. That I was like destined to
do this thing and was going to do it and
regardless of what other people said or comparisons that that
had nothing to do with.
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Speaker 1 (15:34):
Grant, do you remember the time when you decided to
be a singer songwriter where you remember the moment where
it just was like, this is what I'm going to do,
this is what I am, this is what I do.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean there was a period probably I would
think maybe fourteen fifteen or all of a sudden, you know,
I had a few chords under my belt, and I
had really been studying song lyrics. You used to publish
magazines song hits. You know, it was just nothing but
song lyrics, and you could really kind of take apart
(16:08):
those songs and see, you know, this is the verses,
the chorus. And that was a time maybe like you know,
mid seventies where it was kind of a golden era
in terms of songwriters. Yeah, And I don't know, and
at that age kind of like teenage years in high school. Well,
all of a sudden, I had like a whole I
had a mast, a lot of songs, had a big folder.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But I kind of kept out it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I didn't really say it out loud that I was
a songwriter until I was in my early twenties.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I guess, who are the big heroes of yours? Who
are the songwriters that you just, oh gosh loved well?
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I was taken to see, you know, I grew up
with Elton John of course, you know, great Bernie Toppins
lyrics and Elton melodies somebody. I was taken to see
Neil Young quite early on, and it was just him
and his guitar and his you think you had two pianos,
you know, whole slew of guitars, and that really made
(17:06):
a real impact on me, seeing what one could do,
you know, with with nothing more than a melody and
an instrument in words.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
You know, do you remember your first concert that you gave,
a first live concert.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Oh gosh, that I performed paid?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, that you performed paid or not? Or you know,
obviously the first one that I performed. If the first
one was a paid gig, then you were really good.
But yeah, the first time you got out in front
of people, I see what you mean.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Well, here's the weird thing.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And my my foray into entertainment came by way of
magic and the craft of esch apology, what you call it,
escaping from things. I was a Houdini fanatic and I
had a little magic act and I booked myself into
various venues in northern California and that was my That
(18:00):
was my introduction to performing in front of folks. And yeah,
and I did that from like the age of like
eleven to thirteen, ten to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And then I picked up the guitar, and magic tricks
seemed very ridiculous at the point when I had discovered
the guitar.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
This is a lot cooler, I thought.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
You know, I don't know, there were bands that were
wearing capes who played, you know, guitars, but certainly music
was going to be what I said, the tricks aside.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Luise, do you remember the first time you played in
front of people and what that experience was like and
did you play all original songs?
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I did some things. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
In junior high I played in assembly, right, okay, And
I remember that my junior high was a little scary
in Hollywood, Like there were when you went into the
locker room, there were girls in the locker room had
razor blades hidden in their afros.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Wow. So it was like, well, that's actually a good
place to hide them.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
I mean, yeah, it was for sure. But I I came.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
From the East Coast, and like I felt myself to
be like a little of a runt, you know, like
everyone in LA when I said, it must be the
sunshine and the orange trees.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Why is everyone so big out here?
Speaker 9 (19:14):
Like you know?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
And I was like this East Coast Jewish, you know,
little girl in the locker room. And I was never
particularly you know, athletic. And I remember when I performed
in assembly, they used to kind of mess with me
a little bit, like make fun of me, you know,
do that thing that they do, you know when you
(19:35):
first get rub their knuckles.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
But after I performed, they.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
Exactly, but then they say, you leave her alone, she
can sing. Suddenly I was like I had a cool
card to pull out, and it also was good for
my protection.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Nice, yeah, Grant. When when when did you first get signed?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Well, we signed ninety two in the fall of ninety
two when the first record came out, I think.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
March of that ninety three big moment. It was a
big moment.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, although you know, as much as you you visualized
that moment, it was you know, in between, in between
dinner and going back to track some more. You know,
so in the end it's just kind of a you know,
a blip, right yeah, yeah, but you know, kind of
a pivotal though, of course, And you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Know, who is it with?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Who did you sign with?
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Grantly Buffalo signed to Slash Records, which was one of
the great sort of indie punk labels here in Los Angeles,
and they had quite a roster, you know, Los Lobos, Action,
violent films, you know, boy Dream, Syndicate, on and on,
(20:57):
you know, great stuff, and so we were really proud to
be on that, on that label, and they had they
had connections to other distribution, Warner Brothers, you know, Reprise,
and so that was really monumental for us.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
How'd the record do?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
The record did good, you know, it received a lot
of critical praise.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
And that moment in time in the early nineties, I
feel like it was sort of a it was an
interesting period where maybe those at the Helm kind.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Of went the kids, Well, they know what they're doing,
let them, let them do their thing, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
And a lot seemed to slip through the cracks right
in a great way, you know. And then eventually somebody
came back and a round and says, what are they
doing out there? And it got you know, it got
a little harder to be experimental. But I look back
at that period of time, what was on the radio, Well,
of course Nirvana readers. You know, it was like all
this stuff that had kind of bubbled up in the underground.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Became sort of mainstream, you know, because of TV.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah, but you know, it was a good time for
like music that was kind of coming from a very.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Soulful kind of place.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know, even if it was aggressive, it was still
yearning to be honest.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And do you.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Remember a moment where somebody was in the audience that
just made you like.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
What I'm thinking, I'm thinking, did.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Your mom ever show up and make you really nervous?
Speaker 5 (22:20):
My mother wouldn't make me nervous.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
So if she showed up, it would be we're talking
about it.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
She'd be like trying to hide and be momager and
like try to sew up something that you know needs
sewing before I go in stage and then make some
comment like I've never played anywhere this small before. That's
what happened at mccabees when she came there and people
left her alone and say, you know, she's she's Grandma here,
(22:49):
she's not Carol because I had my kids there, and
she's like, leave her alone, she's being grandma right now.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
And she said it was such a sweet show. I
don't think I've never played anywhere this small.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Yeah, I mean I can't think of exactly when, but
I know that there are times when I get really
like just nervous for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
You know, you get nervous for all the wrong reasons.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I kind of never want to know if there's you know,
I don't want to know who's on the guest list
or anything like that, or you know, I just want
to put it out of my head.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I just want to play.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
And you know, I played the Roxy when I was
twenty one.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Wow, wait, wait what you hear?
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Stevie Nicks and Linda Ronstadt were in the audience.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Peter Asher, there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean it was like late seventies, early eighties, it
was early eighties.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
It was eighty one, gotcha, and I must have been
I must have been pretty nervous. But I did this
really like punk rock thing where I walked out on
the table. I even put the sex Pistols song Problems
in the middle of my set. But yeah, and I
don't know, like I've befriended some mentor when I was younger,
(24:13):
I befriended a lot of mentor like beyond my mother,
you know, she's my mom, but like Stevie Nicks came
down to my first recording sessions, and you know, Danny
Korchmar produced my first record, and he would kind of say, like, Stevie,
come on, give Louise rock star.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
Lessons and things like that.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
Basically would just always be like, you know, do what
you do, be yourself, you know. And and throughout my
career there are times I've been insecure and I think, well,
how do they do it? You know, like it sounds
like I forgot everything, and I'd go, well, how do
they do it? And I remember talking to be York's
manager and I.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Was like, how does she do it?
Speaker 6 (24:56):
Like she's so and he'd be like, she's non different
than you, Like it's just it's all the same, you know,
like you just so I kept thinking like, it's this
thing you put on, but then I realized it's just
something I embody.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
You know, you think like a songwriter.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
You hear a turn of a phrase and you go,
that's a title and you write it down, or you're
playing a guitar and you go, oh, you know that
thing was like, I can't pick up my guitar because
if I pick up my guitar, I know I'm going
to come up with the song.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
And if I come up with a song.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Then I'm going to have to like feed it and
nurture it, send it to college, and I'm not going
to get any sleep tonight exactly.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
So let's talk about that, Grant. Do the songs just
come to you and they download very quickly or for you?
Is it a process? Or is it both? It can
happen either way.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I can think it can happen in any number of ways.
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Do you remember a song that just came to you
fully formed and it was like, Wow, that's a great
song and I gotta get it down. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Sure, there were, you know, and sometimes those songs are
typically a little simpler in their form, and sometimes they
take me places where I just don't know where it's going.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
The north Ridge earthquake was a horrific thing to go through.
This It was, you know, my family and I, My
wife and I we were living up in Santa Clarita
at the time, lost the house, you know, and in
that state of trauma, wound up kind of staying on
some blow up mattresses for a while. But I was
plunking around on the banjo and outcome these words devastation.
(26:34):
At last, finally we meet. It's the song mocking Birds.
And it came so quickly that way. I don't know
that it would have come in that fashion had I
not been in such a kind of like a.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Cat, you know. It's kind of my claws dug into
the couch, you know.
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Speaker 1 (28:55):
So that's my next question. Do you try to get
yourself in some kind of a state to write a
certain type of song or are you just sort of
you know, your your antennas up all the time and
you're receiving whatever you can receive. It's like, do you fish?
Do you always have your guitar with you? Are you
always having your fishing rod in the water I'm waiting
(29:17):
to catch because if you don't, and if you don't
have your guitar with you, if you're not open to it,
do you feel like these songs will just go to
somebody else? I'm not certain.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I like that analogy of fishing for something though, because
some days you have to show up and it's like
you get credit for that somehow, you know, well we
didn't throw you didn't catch anything last week.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Right or the one before.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But right, you know, this guy's been here seven days,
eight months in a while we haven't. Let's give him something, Guys,
it feels like that, so then give them a smash hit. Right.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Well, I find that when I when I go out
on the road and I'm by myself and I'm sitting
alone in a hotel room or backstage, that's when I
have the perfect degree of solitude boredom, and I happen
to have the guitar in my hands.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
So it's something about that, you know, that helps a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know, Luise, have you ever tried to write a
hit song?
Speaker 5 (30:08):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
I just posted something about I'm getting all the songs
off of my hard drive that are sitting there, and
I'm trying to get all my friends to do the
same thing. And please, you know, let yourself be messy
and don't listen to the voice in your head that says,
go and write a hit song. I think it's the
(30:29):
worst advice you can give anybody. Like you know, you
can't write a hit song. You can only write a song.
You know what you do afterwards with it, maybe you
turn it into a hit, or maybe you write a
song and you go, that's a hit song, but you can't.
All right, there's a lot of like full time you
(30:52):
know songwriters who do just that. They sit and they
go like, let's write a hit song. But I feel
like I'm an artist.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
I'm like my parents when I was young, before my
mother was doing this as an artist, they were songwriters.
They were craft people, writing songs for other people and
trying to write the next hit. That was something they
were doing. I learned I am not. I ain't one
of those. I came from a songwriting family, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Have that head at all, gotcha.
Speaker 6 (31:29):
I'm like an artist through and through. I'm like, make
a mess on a page, take the order, move it around.
And every time in my career where I've tried to
be a songwriter for someone else, I just feel like
I'm not embodying my own life, trying to get in
(31:49):
the head of like what that artist wants and what
that record company wants. And it's much more of a
business head than it is self express artist toy And
what we do is, you know, in the kind of
town tributeour tradition is we're storytellers, and we're like, I'm alive,
(32:13):
I'm on this planet, I'm feeling things, and my job
is to, you know, turn that into something, you know,
take my feelings of what it is to be alive
today and turn that into a tune.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Who have you seen live that you felt was truly
authentic and just an offering up to the heavens And
this is what I do. And it was this pure
beautiful attence Prince.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
I mean, see Prince do like three hour show and
then go to a little club and do another three
hour secret show afterwards and never get tired.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
Like I mean, it was a.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Tight show, but he he you know, he had the
craft and the discipline. Yeah, I mean, I've seen so
so many amazing show I saw Lana del Rey play
in Nashville, and I was blown away. Like I thought
in my head, I thought Lana del Rey was kind
(33:13):
of this like manufactured thing because of the way she looked.
And my friend said, oh no, she's heavy. She's heavy.
She's a heavy lyricist. And I was like, really, Lana
Delray And I went I was like, oh my god,
he's right, Like that was an amazing show.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Grant, what about you? Yeah, who have you seen that?
Speaker 3 (33:31):
You just went, wow, oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
You know who really sticks out? Who sticks out like
just a unique talent?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Michael Steye. Patti Smith.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I used to I used to go to Patti Smith
concerts in New York City in the mid seventies, early seventies. Yeah, wow,
the bottom line. And she would be speaking at Amnesty
International and I my sister's and I would sneak backstage
and eat the food. And she know, I met her
a couple of times. She blessed me. Once I actually
(34:08):
tried to Audi. She was in cbgbi's one night. I
mean I was about fifteen, and she was off to
the side talking to I guess a record executive, and
she had these she had these sunglasses on and a
trench coat, dark trench coat and with the blinders on
the side. And I heard I'd heard that she was
looking for a piano player. And I was playing a
lot of piano at the time. And I went up
(34:29):
and I asked. I entered, just completely busted into the
conversation and I said, Patty, I hear her looking for
a piano player, I'd like the audition. And she's just
like you're a little young. And I was so felt
so dejected that we just left and she followed us
(34:52):
out to the Bowery and we were about halfway down
the block and she said hey, and I turned around,
she goes, good luck. So I felt like I'd been
kind of blessed by the punk goddess and I was
just a kid, and full circle. Her daughter got in
(35:12):
touch with me because she's a fan of the show
and invited me to come see Patty downtown La. She
was playing in some venue downtown LA, and I went
and reconnected. You know, it was like forty years later
or whatever. It was kind of kind of trippy.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Wow, yeah that's great.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I'm a big Patty Smith fan.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
She has an incredible way.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah, just you know, you remind me energy in the room.
But yeah, you do the same thing, by the way,
because the thing that I forgot about Patty. Yeah, And
what really brought me back into that my teenage years
is when I went to see her in La. The
story she told him between the songs and how damn
funny she is and endearing and smart and sarcastical little
(36:00):
bit and you kind of have some of that. Oh wow,
you it's like you find yourself rooting for the artist
because they just made you laugh and they were self
deprecating and great and open and lovely. Right, so it's like, yeah,
singer song, I love the song before you even start, right,
So you embody that too.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
You're both you both are great storytellers. I mean when
you just told this story about Patti Smith, I saw
the whole I felt like I was I was just
right there.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I saw the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, she's a big influence on me getting out of
the East Coast and breaking out and doing what I
really want to do. Yeah. Yeah, she was a big
influence on me. Who for you are your big influences? Grant?
Who is your biggest musical influence? Would you say? Oh
that's a hard call, heflo Springfield.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Oh well, Neil Young would be very you know, I
would be pretty important artist though, you know, Dylan, you
know all of those sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Do you like that movie?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
I did enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I didn't enjoy it, but yeah, certainly those writers from
that period of time.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
You know, Louise, who besides your own mother, who are
your biggest influences?
Speaker 4 (37:14):
You know?
Speaker 5 (37:14):
I never I didn't listen to my mother. I mean
I was.
Speaker 6 (37:18):
I was taken on tour a lot and heard endless shows,
and Tapestry only reminded me of my parents divorcing, so
I didn't want to ever listen to It's too Late Baby.
But yeah, I listened to a lot of Joni Mitchell,
you know, and Fleetwood Mac. You know that that Rumors
(37:39):
record was just such a such a thing. But I
also listened to a lot of soul music. Yeah, I
love slying the family Stone. I listened to Spinners, like
all that stuff was on the radio, you know when
I went to junior High. Yeah, man, the Spinners they
were tom All all all those. I have a really,
(38:03):
you know, good encyclopedic mix of like black and extremely
Caucasian music, you know, like Bear your Soul Confessionals mixed
with you know, give it a rhythm.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Right, excellent? How many times have you to do? Edit?
Is this? This is not the first time.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
This might be the second.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
It's a thing.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Now.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
What was that Cornett Theater?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Years ago?
Speaker 2 (38:32):
I think it was right after we we shot the
Gilmore Girls special. I was playing at Largo and invited
Louise come on down and.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
We did nice.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
We did where you leave there, and I think this
is only the second time we've ever done it.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
Yeah, it was fun. Thank you for having me booth times.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Would you ever consider hooking up and touring together?
Speaker 5 (38:53):
Like you got to ask him?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
No, No, he's a big chase. I know that. Yeah,
what do you think would you?
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Would you put put them on the spot there?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Well, that's the microphones and where Yeah, that's the place
to put people on the spot right here? What do
you think?
Speaker 3 (39:11):
I think it's a very nice, nice billing.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yes, yes it really is. Huh you got can I
can I get a shout out from everybody? It was
a nice pairing today up there, wasn't it? I mean,
thank you? It really it really was. I mean not
that you didn't produce enough magic on your own sir,
uh and you did. They were very touching. I felt
(39:34):
myself wiping away a couple of two. I love musicians,
I love live performances. I love heartfelt, honest music. And
you were playing my favorite chord. It's an E. It's
it's an it's an E C thing.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
It's an that's a gang symbol you're doing right there?
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Thought a guitar. I don't know what it means, but
tell me to get me a guitar. I'll play it
for you. But uh, I just enjoyed what, you know,
I was. I was transfixed by by what you were
doing on the guitar and and this beautiful style and
these these these wonderful chords that you would slide up to,
(40:15):
you know, just like ah, yes, nice nice. Uh you know,
you'd get me in the pocket and then you'd take
me over to this different country over here, speaking the
same language. And it was just wonderful to be in
front of that, you know. And I also what I
love about you is you don't sing too loudly, and
I so appreciate that you just sort of like meld
(40:37):
with the guitar and with the chords and the whole
spirit of what you're doing. So it all just works
so beautifully together. That's the magic I'm talking about. And
then when Louise came up, I mean you you had
to have felt the energy in the room, right, I mean,
it was just extraordinary. That's the only read. I don't
mean to put you on the spot, my god, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
No, no, no, it is really a special thing and
kind of what Louise was saying earlier, any opportunity to
kind of put ourselves outside of our head and just
kind of be in the moment and respond. That's that's
music really, you know, it's that's the hardest thing when
you perform by yourself, I think is that, you know,
you could become very self involved and excellent. I enjoy
(41:20):
just kind of harmonizing and finding some kind of other
supportive role, you know, being a being a cast member
in a song, you know, I love that.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It's like standing out on stage and doing a long monologue.
It's terrifying.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, there's nothing to really bounce off except the sound
of your own voice and you know people in the
audience going ah something like that. You know, but it
was wonderful. So if you would consider it, you know,
I think I think I think it works.
Speaker 6 (41:46):
We do have twenty five years of Warner Brothers doing
pre promotion for us, so that that's definitely something in
our favor.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
They did. They did the hard part. You just got
to step in. Yeah, there you go. We'd love to
see that. Maybe uh holiday here, you could come by
and and play a few songs, you know, that would
be fun. We're gonna build a big stage for the podcast,
so you know, we could we get the heck out
of there for a couple.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Of minutes, you know.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yeah, guys, I really appreciate you taking the time. I know, Grant,
you're a very very tight schedule.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, yeah, very tight schedule. So you gotta get going.
You're starting some dates. You've got a couple of gigs.
You got one in Nashville coming up, and then a
couple of more in the States and then you leave
for Europe. Ye, tell us about the US gigs.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
East Coast starts September seventh, Okay, Vienna, Virginia, which is
right outside Washington, d C.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I got a Philadelphia gig in New York of Boston beautiful, Yeah,
and then Chicago. You know, just wonderful places to you know.
I don't get to see enough of them. I see
just you know, just a flash. I grab a piece
of a deep dish and I'm on my way.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yes, I know that, right, Louise. Anything coming up special
for you a lot?
Speaker 6 (43:01):
I'm going to Memphis next week and a song I wrote. Well,
I started the Goffin and King Foundation, where I host
a lot of songwriting retreats and introduce a lot of
people to a lot of other people in these songs
live on, and these friendships and communities live on. So
(43:25):
one of the songwriters there is recording a song that
we wrote last year in Memphis, putting.
Speaker 5 (43:31):
Horns on it.
Speaker 6 (43:33):
Then back to la and then I'm taking thirty songwriters
to London and we're going to be writing in London
and recording at Abbey Roads Studios. So yeah, I have
a studio here where I'd been putting out my own
singles and producing things. But this has been a real
joy for me too to be part of this community
(43:53):
and collaborating and again like working with other people. A
lot of the heavy list lifting is kind of coming
from here. It's not like in here when there's two
it somehow breaks this thing in your head and you've
got like this third energy which is like bigger than you,
and suddenly, like a song appears and it's like there
(44:16):
was no labor. It just like wanted to be born.
And that's an amazing thing to be part of.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
The act of creation.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
It is.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
It is an amazing thing. And so on writing and
you two do it so well. Top of your business.
Some of the best songwriting I've ever heard in performing,
It's an honor to talk to. Please come back to
the show. We have a hell of a lot more
to uncover. We're just scratching the surface here. Thank you
so much. Brantley Phillips, Thank you, Louise Goffin, thank you
so much. Coming next month, this series continues, so don't
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miss This isn't Old Man Music with Scott Patterson weekly
on I Am all In again.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Dot dot
Speaker 1 (45:24):
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