December 17, 2024 • 32 mins
Taylor Doose makes his first appearance in episode 7 “Kiss and Tell” and it’s SO Taylor.
But, Tara notices something at Doose’s that Suzanne didn’t even catch…find out what it is!
Plus, Suzanne shares her theory about East Side Tilly and we need to know if you agree!
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh that's you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I Am all in Town meeting with Suzanne French and
Tara suit An iHeartRadio podcast. All right, hey guys, welcome
back to another episode of I'm All in Town Meeting
with myself, Tara and Susanne. Hello. Hello, Today we're talking
about season one, episode seven, Kiss and Tell, which aired
November sixteenth, two thousand. I always think of this as
(00:41):
the corn starch episode. Yeah, just like like I literally think.
Our producer Emma the other day was like, oh I
love Kiss and Tell. I'm like, is that corn stars?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yes, it's a classic iconic moment, and I love that
they called back to it in the revival, like, yes,
he's like pay for it this time. That was I
love that. Oh I know, I know. Who knew that
a box of corn starch could be so iconic?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Well, speaking of cornstarch, I have to start with saying,
why was there so much cornstarch on display?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's it's so funny every time we go in the
market because everything's different, like aisles and aisles of cat food,
and then other times there's like aisles and aisles of
you know, deodorant or whatever. It's like it's so random.
They just grab whatever they can find it at the
grocery store, I guess, and bring it over to this.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Also the corn here's the other thing that I was
confused about. The corn starch was in the same aisle
as What did Lane say? Was it?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh the ant spray?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Was it ant spray?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Why are we putting corn starch with ant spray? Like, oh,
aisle three, it's good aisle antspray? Also, how is ant
spray a good aisle?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, because any aisle that you get kissed is a
good aisle. That's but I had to laugh when they
said Aisle three, Like that market is so small you
really need to number the aisles.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
No, there's like three aisles to begin with it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It's also like such.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
A weird if you actually look at the layout of
the market, it's I think, like two aisles and then
like two sideway aisles, Like it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, Like there's like registers, and then there's like two
different wings.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Kind of yeah, two different wings, and then it's I
think it's when Luke and Laura leer in the market.
I'm pretty sure the wall behind them was not actually
like fruit. I think it was like wallpaper. Oh really,
I think it's wallpaper of like fruit and stuff. Yeah,
Oh my gosh, I'll have to pull the screenshot. But
(02:38):
I like was kind of watching it. I was like
kind of tired last night watching and I'm like, is
that actually like they set that all up? And then
I think or maybe half of it is wallpaper.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh, I'm gonna have to look. I watched this episode
like three times because I usually I watch it just
once quick to remind myself of what happened in the episode,
and then I will watch detailed, like with my notes
in front of me.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And I actually watched it a third time last night
because I did the recap with Scott and Michael Winters
and so I want to be like fresh in my mind.
So I watched it a third time. But I totally
did not catch that. So I'm gonna have to go
back and look.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
At and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, But I it
kind of looked like it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It wouldn't surprise me, like that would make sense.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
No, because imagine how much you have to set up.
Oh yeah, but when they walked outside, because I remember
thinking of it because they walked outside, Luke and Lorelei
and there are like fruits or whatever outside, like right,
and those are actually there. I mean, it's probably not real,
it's probably fake, but you know what I mean, Like
those are actually like physically theirs. That That's what made
me think, like in store, was it fake?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Well that's awesome. Okay, We're gonna have to like grab
a screenshot of that. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Is it the first time we saw dosies on the apron? Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know.
I was gonna say, it's the first time we see Taylor.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yes, I knew first time we see Taylor, and it
was kind of funny the way he like. My first
thought was, I don't know what it's like to first
be introduced to Taylor, like as a new watcher. I guess. Well,
our producers Jackie and Emma had never seen Taylor before,
so I'm curious if one of you want to come
(04:19):
on and what was your first impression of him.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
He seemed like the same Taylor that we saw that
when we when us producers started coming onto the pod,
we started with the later seasons and didn't go back
to the first season, so I kind of already knew
but like it seemed like the same.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think I already.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Knew who he was, so it was a very good
like I'm coming in, I'm coming in, want to do
what's best for the town.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
This is what we want to do. Come on, come on.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And you see the friction between Luke and Taylor, which
we've seen in later later seasons too, so it's like
it's a complicated.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You didn't question his authority, he just kind of knew.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, he comes in hot and he goes hard for
the town and the rules, and he establishes that right
away with the Fall decre and the little.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Thanksgiving things that he tries to put on the counter,
which is why.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, which, by the way, the decor in this episode
was amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh my gosh, so Fall just piles of pumpkins everywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I just where do you find all that stuff? Like,
I mean, obviously I know set decorators, but like how
long does it take to set that up and the details?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And yeah, because the pumpkins, like if they shot this
in summer, well.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's definitely fake, right, it has to be fake pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Maybe I don't know, pumpkins lost a long time. It
could have been real.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You really see when Rory's like running through the town.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That was a great shot.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Oh it's so good. And at first I was like,
they actually film her running all the way to live
in South and I'm like, oh, there she is pulling
up to him.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, we talked about that on the on the recap episode.
How you know, both both Alexis and the cameramen were
probably pretty tired after they did that, so hopefully, hopefully
they didn't need too many takes to get it done.
But that was such a great shot where she literally
runs in a single movement all the way from the
market to across the square to Lane's house.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
With that did she had the yellow backpack on? Again?
She had the yellow backpack? Oh? Did she?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I didn't even notice she She.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Was kind of like like she was kind of like, well,
I could be wrong, but the way she like runs
is just so funny to me. I know, that's it's
just And I also love that the kiss happened so
early in the episode because it wasn't build up like
it just happened. Also, I would be taking aback if
someone kissed me like that too, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, it was shocking, Like I don't talking about soda
and then all of a sudden he's in your face,
kissing you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Oh, yes, she did have a yellow backpack, okay, because
I just remember the way she was like waddle running
and I'm like that damn yellow backpack with fifty books
in it. I will never get over the yellow backpack.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
At least she cut down from that one episode where
she had like three bad yeah, exactly. At least she
wasn't trying to carry all that. Did you notice in
Luke's Diner? Okay, so I had two comments on the
Lukes Diner scene. There was a random soda machine by
the window, like a soda dispenser, you know, like you
(07:19):
have restaurants. Don't know where that came from. We never
saw it again.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like behind the counter. No, it was like.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Where there's tables in future episodes. It's like it's like
app off the end of the counter, but not behind
the counter, like it's next to the window like a
self serve.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah. Interesting, I didn't see That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And it was kind of a weird looking like little
Dinky one. It was very weird. It was like somebody
just found this. Was like, oh, this looks like it
might go to a restaurant. Let's put it on the
set of Lukes Diner.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That's funny. I did not see that, and then did you.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So we saw Patty, miss Patty. She's eating with some
woman in a yellow sweater. We don't know who it was.
My theory, I think that was east Side Tilly because
remember we future episodes east Side Tilly. She's like the
town gossip, but we never.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
See Sorry, I thought you meant that was someone's real name.
I'm like, who oh, oh, my gosh, oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's my fan theory is that that's east Side Tilly.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I'm so curious if anyone else thinks that, because you're right,
we don't see her. It's just always she's always talked about.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
They don't say her name. We don't really see that. Well,
maybe we see that woman again, probably in like the
background of a scene, but they don't identify who she is.
So that's my theory. But Patty seems to be friends
with her because Patty always says, oh I heard it
from east Side Tilly and Babette.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's usually Bebett and Patty talking about what she Yeah,
so so interesting. It's like gossip girl.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I know exactly exactly she's the og, So tell us,
tell us what you think if you agree with that
or not. I mean I could. I'm completely just making
that up. Obviously, I don't know who she was, but
(09:15):
that's my theory. I'm gonna roll with it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I like, at least, like now I have a visual
if I need to refer back to, refer back to.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
We saw the clown pillow in this episode. Oh where
was it? It was when Laurel I was going to
look out the window to see where she was looking
for before Rory came home. Oh, and so she goes
to the living room window and looks out the front window,
and the clown pillow was on that chair. That's right,
(09:45):
it is normal spot under that under that window.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
The one thing I loved about this episode is Laurel's
jacket that the collar pops red with the red purse.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, I didn't even notice the jacket. I was. I
was looking at the purse. I didn't even notice the jacket.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It was like I was looking at it. I'm like,
I need to find a jacket like that because it's black.
But then the collar pops open, so the inside of
it is red, and then it's with the red bag,
and I was like, I need this. It's like, yeah,
there was so much black, I like a pop A Colt.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, that red bag was super cute and so I
was looking at that. I didn't even notice the jacket.
I might have to.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And it's I mean specifically, the scene that I really
really noticed is when she's walking into the grocery store
to see Dean and the way Dean worked a really
long shift that day. Dean was there from before school
until that's true.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Because he was there that night too.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Like in my head, I was like, he is still
there if they're overworking this kid.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well that's funny. Well maybe he went to school in
the middle well.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Because maybe, but it was wait but what time does
the grocery store open that?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Oh that's a good question. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It is all one day, right, yeah I think I
think so. Yeah, because it starts with Luke at Luke's
diner with no.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
But her outfit changes because this is the episode where
she's wearing. It starts out she's in that really cute
skirt and she's not wearing underwear. Oh you're right, you're right,
So her outfits changed, so it must be a different day.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You're right, You're right, it's just oh, I have a
speaking of timelines, the timeline of well, I guess also
Dean's really work If Rory's going to school with her
backpack on, it's still weird that Dean's working that early.
But anyway, I thought it was interesting what time was
it when Lourai invited Dean? When she invited him at
(11:41):
seven pm? But it was dark out sunsets.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Well, but in the fall, I mean it's dark here
at five o'clock.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, five o'clock. So like,
did he just get off thirty minutes? I think, guess
a small town, it's not that hard to move around.
But I was just she's like seven o'clock, but then
all the food they order and stuff within one hour,
and also there there is no way in two thousand,
her total for five snacks was forty one dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I was like, I'm pretty sure I can get that
at Target right now for maybe thirty dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It was interesting because they even made a comment, but
she made a comment about her total. That's what caught me.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, it costs a lot of money to rot your
insides or something.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It was like in the year two thousand. I don't think,
but maybe.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
You know, because Dosees is a little market, their prices
are higher.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So maybe yeah, got it, import it.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Anyway, that was my random little.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah. And again we're still tracking that piano. The piano
was still there, so I don't know they're going to
open that wall up. It's gotta be soon. I didn't
realize actually that it made it this this many episodes,
so I'm anticipating anytime now that's going to be open
to the front door.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The one thing I saw and I texted our group
text last night, it's at twenty six fifty seven on
Rory's wall. There is the most terrifying mask or it's
like a mask with a party hat. I have no idea,
but I could not pay attention to the scene.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It was scary. Yeah, and I didn't even notice it
until you pointed it out. I'm like, oh my gosh,
that thing is horrible. I think I woke up in
the middle of the night. That would scare the crap
out of me.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well, and then I was trying to think, is it
a character that like they tried to paint like I
was trying to figure out what it's from, and truly
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, it didn't look familiar to me at all. It
kind of reminded me so for those of you that
are my age that remember mister Rogers.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Oh I remember mister Rogers.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And there was like the little the train would go
into that other little make believe town and there was
Lady Elaine, remember her. She had Oh my gosh, the
giant chin. It reminded me of that. I don't think
that's what it was supposed to be, like, it wasn't.
It didn't look at no, I get to be that,
but it was kind of kind of scary looking like that,
Like she was a scary looking character. And yeah, this
(14:09):
thing on the wall was like.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It was just so random, which maybe it was like
artwork that Rory did as a kid, you know, like
I don't know, but it was.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It was an interesting choice for sure. On the part
of the set.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Between this episode and the last one, there was just
a lot of crap in the house, a lot of
stuff and I think I've noted, like I really want
to know the set decorated. They just throw anything they
can find into these early Yeah, because I think and
maybe this is just me paying attention now, but I
(14:44):
think compared to later seasons, there's a lot of stuff
in the background of these.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I noticed that on the last episode when they were
in the kitchen for Rory's birthday party in Suki, like
making the food, and you could see on the on
the wall next to bedroom door, there's like a cabinet
that's just like got random. It's like piles of paper
and stuff, like just random.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But even like even like the way when she's sitting
on the floor of the fridge and all the stuff
is out, like why were half the cans down the hallway,
you know what I mean, Like how did it get
like perfectly standing up? It was just kind of like
they threw anything and everything, which I don't mind. It's
kind of funny, but.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, a lot of stuff. Yeah, we when we did
the recap, we were talking about some of the unique
camera angles, and that was one of them, that refrigerator
scene where they they're showing the food is all spread
all over the floor like the refrigerator contents, and the
camera's like looking down on them and kind of panning
(15:48):
around what Laurela has in her.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Fridge, which is also confusing because she doesn't like all.
I would have thought it would be a bunch of
leftover like Chinese takeout, Like she doesn't look yea, so
all those cans and whatnot. I'm like, why does she
have stuff? Shouldn't use it?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
She's not gonna have a ton of like fresh now
in there. But it was it was still it was
a funny scene.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
The other thing, I mean, should we jump over to
Dean getting invited to or did you have anything else
before we jump into.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Let's yeah, let's move on to the real meat of
the episode, the whole awkwardness.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think. I think what's interesting is Lorala I jumps
back and forth between mom and girlfriend because I was like,
you're sad that your daughter didn't tell you about the kiss,
but now you're inviting him over without Rory's permission to
hang out, and you're gonna be I was like, yeah,
(16:47):
how did we get here? Which I mean is just
Laura being Laura.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I but it was weird and if that if my
mom had done that, I would have reacted the same
way that I thought. She was completely justified in her
horror that her mother had done this. And then and
then poor Rory like she felt stuck because now it's
like she likes him, also looks weird, so we can't
(17:10):
uninvite him, so we have to have him over. But
it looks weird that my mom is the one that
invited him over, and you know, yeah, it just was weird.
And like she said, she made the comment about, you know,
in this country dates like people go on dates by themselves,
and you know, yeah, it was just it was weird.
And I felt bad for her because she already was
(17:33):
confused about how does she feel, and you know, she
didn't want Laurel to meet him, and so she was
kind of already like trying to sort everything out in
her head and then Laurla I like totally forced her
hand by oh yeah, he's coming over.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Clearly within the one hour, she called Suki the gossip
because she didn't ask Suki for dessert. Suki route dessert
to Spy. Yeah, so in the process of setting up
ordering food, setting everything up, she called Suki be like
guess what.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right, and Suki just created a dessert out of thin air.
Maybe it was something she just brought from the inn
or some.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Probably Yeah, yeah, but it was kind of funny that
scene with the pizza guy and then suddenly like Suki's
slittering the pizza. Yeah, uh, the bone I have to
pick with this is the way they are watching the movie,
because in no way if someone invited me to a
movie night, am I sitting on the floor with no
(18:31):
nothing to support my back, just sitting like a bunch
of first graders this cross Apple Sauce watching Willie Walka
on a date on.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
A date, Yeah, it was. It was weird because she
tells him to put the pizza on the coffee table,
and so you think, Okay, they're gonna sit on the
couch and watch it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
He sat there for two minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
They're all on the floor. Yeah it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
It literally looked like a bunch of first graders sitting
chriss cross Apple Sauce in line. I was like what
and then when he and then when he says like, oh,
do you need something to support your back? But what
are you leaning the pillow against? Like there's nothing to
lean against? Like she like the way he supported her.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I was like, right, I was watching that because I
watched him put the pillow behind her. But it's just
like the air ball behind her and she starts to like,
lean back, and then they cut to the next scene. Okay,
they're not even gonna show that she can't lean back
because there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I thought maybe she would lean on the end of
the couch. Oh he was, he was more on that.
I was literally like this, I don't know, just that
same I'm like, could you put them on the couch?
Why the floor?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, I don't know why they started on the couch
and just didn't stay on the couch. There had to
have been some reason, but it was it was.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Was there not enough room? Pulled a chair that Emily
was sitting on for two episodes exactly through the chair
across the room, which, by the way, so now we
know there's a TV. There was there a TV there
in previous episodes.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
There might have been. There was the there was the
kitchen TV that we saw for a split second in
the other episodeisode. Yeah, but I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I remember seeing a TV se a TV or not. Yeah,
unless they moved it for like the party.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, there's also I did notice during the last episode,
the birthday party episode, that there was a TV in
Lorelei's bedroom. It had like clothes and stuff piled on it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But I don't another episode that just had a bunch
of crap. That that room anxiety.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, her with the clothes everywhere. I know he wasn't made.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I really like the scene with
Dean there. He's just a little cocky. I thought so too.
(20:49):
I'm talking to Laurel.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I yeah, I mean, he definitely kind of had an
edge to him. You definitely could tell he had had
a girlfriend or two before, like this was not new
territory for him. But yeah, the conversation I thought was interesting.
The whole the whole night was just just kind of
(21:12):
awkward and weird. And yeah, it's in the room and
she's out of the room, and yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And then when she tells her to suddenly switch gears
again to mom, Rory goes back into the kitchen to
be like where are you and she's like, I need
to switch gears or whatever. Yeah, I was like, you
got I think that's why. And maybe this establishes like
how Laura I we don't know if she's a mom
or a friend. And Rory feels the same way because
if I were in that situation, like my mom switching
(21:42):
from girlfriend to mom in the same night, would just
confuse me. Yeah, so yeah, it's like, no wonder she
felt weird telling her mom that she got kissed, but
once you open the can of worms and she's fine,
it's like girl talk.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, it's just it's very confusing. But I guess that's
also a stable shame that, like Laurel I is still
a kid, kind of raising a kid.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah yeah, And it's it's a transitional period in Rory's
life too, right, Like she's moving, she's starting to be
interested in dating and you know, all that kind of stuff.
So it's it's definitely a transition. And so Laurel I
is trying to figure out you know, Rory is one
(22:27):
of those kids that you know, they're born and they
just raised themselves, Like she didn't need a lot of
parenting when she was little, and now that she's starting
to move into these more adult situations, you know, she
needs a little guidance. And so now Laurela is having
to transition herself from the friend to the mother. But
then by the end of the episode, she's back into
(22:47):
the friend mode again, like, Okay, tell me about the
klip I was it in And yeah, so it's just
kind of setting up, you know that whole. It's just
kind of a conflict that goes throughout the next couple
of years.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
So it's yeah, until the end, even at the very
end about in the revival about the book, I feel
like we even see it there where it's like suddenly
she's like, you can't talk about my life like this
is you know, it's it's an ongoing theme and it's
just interesting to now, yeah, because I mean when I
(23:19):
watched Gilmore Girls originally before this podcast, I didn't really
talk to anyone about the details about it, you know,
like I don't say it with my friends and break
it down considering it's also not on TV right now,
it's right, you know. So it's interesting to have these
conversations because I watch it knowing but actually like talking
it out. I'm like, oh, you really noticed this from
(23:41):
very early on, and Amy and Dan really just continued
these themes, which is really cool. Yeah, And also how
do you keep track of it all? That's what's crazy
to me.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, I know, I think about that too, because they
didn't write every single episode like they did bring other writers,
and I think actually this episode was not written by them,
but especially as it goes through into the later seasons,
Like somebody comes in to write an episode, how do you.
I mean, I know that shows have bibles where they
write down, like all the details of the storylines. Yeah,
(24:12):
but still it just seems like you have to remember,
like what your character's arc was from the beginning and
then write something that is I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Amy and Dan being as involved as they were. Specifically Amy,
I'm sure there was like she would consult a lot
of even if she was writing, and I'm sure she
would consult a lot of the scripts like yeah, remember
when this happens, and we should bring that back or
you know, maybe not write it word for word, but
I'm sure involved.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
In Oh yeah, I'm sure she gave specific directions like
here's what's going to happen in this episode. Yeah, and
then the writer would just you know, make that happen.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
But yeah, I mean, over overall, I think these episodes
are just so special, like you kind of I think
it's the reason why we fell in love with Gilmore Girls,
and these are the these are the episodes that I like.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Rory, Oh yeah, I know, the first season of Gilmour
is great, Like Rory, you're really on her side, like you,
you really can. She seems so relatable for me. During
the Chiltern years was when she was the most relatable.
And then when she graduates and goes to Yale and
they're like, Emily really got her claws into her. That's
(25:21):
when she stops kind of being relatable for me. But
I love the children years, like it's my favorite part
of me too.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's also just like, I don't know, watching someone grow
through those years is so fun and innocent and like ya,
she messes up, Oh well, you know, yeah, in high
school doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And like the stakes aren't as hot later years.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I did have a conversation with someone though about the
Revival and how they were like, oh, well, like Hush
just couldn't figure her life out, And I'm like, yeah,
but if you think about it, like I'm in my
thirties and I have some friends who are doing great
in their career and some who unfortunately in the entertainment
industry or some industries right now, there's a lot of
(26:02):
layoffs and they're lost. And I was like, in this
moment in my life, I actually realized that the Revival
is really relatable and people are lost, so it's just
it's just interesting at different points in your life when
you see it. I think if I were like in
my early twenties and saw the Revival, I'd be like
or like I'd be like, oh my god, what is
she doing with her life? Like she can't find a job.
(26:23):
And then you're like sitting in it and I'm watching
my friends look for jobs and this and that it's
so hard, and I'm like, nope, it's real.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it was pretty realistic, you know,
especially at that time period where I think we've talked
about this before, where journalism was going digital and getting
away from like print media and you know, newspapers are
going out of business and things, and it just was
in the time for her to be coming in. But yeah,
(26:54):
that's just kind of the state of affairs now, is
that it's it's hard for you know, I'm looking like
my own son is twenty one. He's in his fourth
year of college, and he doesn't know what he wants
to do. Like he's should I go to grad school?
Should I try to get a job? Like he doesn't
he doesn't know at all. When I was a senior
(27:15):
in college, I knew exactly what I was going to do,
like I had everything planned out. But yeah, that's just
I just have a very different personality.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Then I'm the same. I was the same way. I
actually had my a job when I was a senior
in college, so like it was a little different. And
I remember like, as I had that job my senior year,
some people were just starting to look at internships and
I was like, I did that two years ago. But yeah,
(27:42):
I mean, and specifically with I started my career in radio,
radio is not the same as it was. So it's
it's and the same thing with the newspaper world. For Rory,
it's like it evolves and it changes. And now with
like AI, there's so much it's just so interesting. And
I definitely I think looking back at this and started
(28:06):
to bring it back, it's looking at these earlier seasons,
I realized that, like I think I was too hard
on Rory in the later years. I think I'm like
I kind of feel for her now, just like thinking
big picture, like because sometimes you watch these shows and
you're so tunnel vision of like what's happening in this moment,
and then you kind of have to look in the
real world and be like people are kind of going
through that, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Right right, yeah, and it's it can be hard when
you have you know, Rory has a plan. She's going
to go to Harvard, she's going to be a journalism
major journalist whatever, or a writer, and so you you're
on this track, in this path, but then the world
changes in the background and kind of pulls the rug
out from under you, and you're like, okay, what now.
(28:47):
So I think when we got to the revival, we
all would have liked to have seen Rory be at
her full potential, Like, you know, she's got a Pulitzer
and she's you know, won all these awards and she's
gotten she's famous for her writing, and but that didn't
happen for her, and so yeah, that was disappointing, But
it was also that it was also just life. I mean,
that happens.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Do you think I guess I'll just leave it on this.
Do you think that we would have watched a revival
differently if the revival came out post pandemic. I feel
like the pandemic really changed a lot in people's lives,
and and so I just wonder if we would have
looked at it and looked at Rory's life as not
a mess post pandemic and more of Yeah, things aren't
(29:30):
on her side, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Mean because we all came out of the pandemic like
as a mess. I mean, yeah, it's that's a good question.
I hadn't Actually, I'm going to have to give us, you.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Know, because you think of a lot of people who
had lost their jobs in the pandemic and and this,
and that doesn't matter what career it was, it's there's
a lot that changed. And so I wonder if we
would have given Rory a little bit more sympathy if
it's just an interesting guy thought of it as a
risk speaking.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But yeah, that's a good question because the post pandemic
is much more like the gig economy, and you know,
people just are taking what they can and and yeah,
that's a good question. Yeah, that's a good point either way.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I still love the show, and I love every character
I know exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I love every season. Even though some seasons are rougher
than others, I still love them all, Like, I mean,
even the episodes.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, and even the episodes that like we didn't like
recapping with Scott and Daniel and Amy, like they weren't
bad episodes. It just wasn't our favorite, right right, They're
still really good. It's filly good TV.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, it's still completely watchable. Even if there were
some that were like, oh, that storyline was a little boring,
like yeah, you know, I didn't really enjoy that, but
it's not. It's still watchable. I mean, yeah, still a
good week. Yeah, forty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah exactly. Well, anyway, the next episode is going to
be season one episode eight, Love and War and Snow.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yes, this is a good one too. I like this one.
So it's time to bring our town hall meeting to
a close. Thank you all for attending and meeting adjourn.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Dot Hey, everybody, and altoget.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast
and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
I Am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Oh that's you.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I Am all in Town meeting with Suzanne French and
Tara suit An iHeartRadio podcast. All right, hey guys, welcome
back to another episode of I'm All in Town Meeting
with myself, Tara and Susanne. Hello. Hello, Today we're talking
about season one, episode seven, Kiss and Tell, which aired
November sixteenth, two thousand. I always think of this as
(00:41):
the corn starch episode. Yeah, just like like I literally think.
Our producer Emma the other day was like, oh I
love Kiss and Tell. I'm like, is that corn stars?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yes, it's a classic iconic moment, and I love that
they called back to it in the revival, like, yes,
he's like pay for it this time. That was I
love that. Oh I know, I know. Who knew that
a box of corn starch could be so iconic?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Well, speaking of cornstarch, I have to start with saying,
why was there so much cornstarch on display?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's it's so funny every time we go in the
market because everything's different, like aisles and aisles of cat food,
and then other times there's like aisles and aisles of
you know, deodorant or whatever. It's like it's so random.
They just grab whatever they can find it at the
grocery store, I guess, and bring it over to this.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Also the corn here's the other thing that I was
confused about. The corn starch was in the same aisle
as What did Lane say? Was it?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Oh the ant spray?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Was it ant spray?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Why are we putting corn starch with ant spray? Like, oh,
aisle three, it's good aisle antspray? Also, how is ant
spray a good aisle?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, because any aisle that you get kissed is a
good aisle. That's but I had to laugh when they
said Aisle three, Like that market is so small you
really need to number the aisles.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
No, there's like three aisles to begin with it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
It's also like such.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
A weird if you actually look at the layout of
the market, it's I think, like two aisles and then
like two sideway aisles, Like it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Yeah, Like there's like registers, and then there's like two
different wings.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Kind of yeah, two different wings, and then it's I
think it's when Luke and Laura leer in the market.
I'm pretty sure the wall behind them was not actually
like fruit. I think it was like wallpaper. Oh really,
I think it's wallpaper of like fruit and stuff. Yeah,
Oh my gosh, I'll have to pull the screenshot. But
(02:38):
I like was kind of watching it. I was like
kind of tired last night watching and I'm like, is
that actually like they set that all up? And then
I think or maybe half of it is wallpaper.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh, I'm gonna have to look. I watched this episode
like three times because I usually I watch it just
once quick to remind myself of what happened in the episode,
and then I will watch detailed, like with my notes
in front of me.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And I actually watched it a third time last night
because I did the recap with Scott and Michael Winters
and so I want to be like fresh in my mind.
So I watched it a third time. But I totally
did not catch that. So I'm gonna have to go
back and look.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
At and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, But I it
kind of looked like it.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It wouldn't surprise me, like that would make sense.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
No, because imagine how much you have to set up.
Oh yeah, but when they walked outside, because I remember
thinking of it because they walked outside, Luke and Lorelei
and there are like fruits or whatever outside, like right,
and those are actually there. I mean, it's probably not real,
it's probably fake, but you know what I mean, Like
those are actually like physically theirs. That That's what made
me think, like in store, was it fake?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Well that's awesome. Okay, We're gonna have to like grab
a screenshot of that. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Is it the first time we saw dosies on the apron? Oh?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
I don't know. That's a good question. I don't know.
I was gonna say, it's the first time we see Taylor.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Yes, I knew first time we see Taylor, and it
was kind of funny the way he like. My first
thought was, I don't know what it's like to first
be introduced to Taylor, like as a new watcher. I guess. Well,
our producers Jackie and Emma had never seen Taylor before,
so I'm curious if one of you want to come
(04:19):
on and what was your first impression of him.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
He seemed like the same Taylor that we saw that
when we when us producers started coming onto the pod,
we started with the later seasons and didn't go back
to the first season, so I kind of already knew
but like it seemed like the same.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I think I already.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Knew who he was, so it was a very good
like I'm coming in, I'm coming in, want to do
what's best for the town.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
This is what we want to do. Come on, come on.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And you see the friction between Luke and Taylor, which
we've seen in later later seasons too, so it's like
it's a complicated.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You didn't question his authority, he just kind of knew.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yeah, he comes in hot and he goes hard for
the town and the rules, and he establishes that right
away with the Fall decre and the little.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Thanksgiving things that he tries to put on the counter,
which is why.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, which, by the way, the decor in this episode
was amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Oh my gosh, so Fall just piles of pumpkins everywhere.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I just where do you find all that stuff? Like,
I mean, obviously I know set decorators, but like how
long does it take to set that up and the details?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And yeah, because the pumpkins, like if they shot this
in summer, well.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's definitely fake, right, it has to be fake pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Maybe I don't know, pumpkins lost a long time. It
could have been real.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You really see when Rory's like running through the town.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
That was a great shot.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Oh it's so good. And at first I was like,
they actually film her running all the way to live
in South and I'm like, oh, there she is pulling
up to him.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, we talked about that on the on the recap episode.
How you know, both both Alexis and the cameramen were
probably pretty tired after they did that, so hopefully, hopefully
they didn't need too many takes to get it done.
But that was such a great shot where she literally
runs in a single movement all the way from the
market to across the square to Lane's house.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
With that did she had the yellow backpack on? Again?
She had the yellow backpack? Oh? Did she?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I didn't even notice she She.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Was kind of like like she was kind of like, well,
I could be wrong, but the way she like runs
is just so funny to me. I know, that's it's
just And I also love that the kiss happened so
early in the episode because it wasn't build up like
it just happened. Also, I would be taking aback if
someone kissed me like that too, I know.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, it was shocking, Like I don't talking about soda
and then all of a sudden he's in your face,
kissing you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Oh, yes, she did have a yellow backpack, okay, because
I just remember the way she was like waddle running
and I'm like that damn yellow backpack with fifty books
in it. I will never get over the yellow backpack.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
At least she cut down from that one episode where
she had like three bad yeah, exactly. At least she
wasn't trying to carry all that. Did you notice in
Luke's Diner? Okay, so I had two comments on the
Lukes Diner scene. There was a random soda machine by
the window, like a soda dispenser, you know, like you
(07:19):
have restaurants. Don't know where that came from. We never
saw it again.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Like behind the counter. No, it was like.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Where there's tables in future episodes. It's like it's like
app off the end of the counter, but not behind
the counter, like it's next to the window like a
self serve.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah. Interesting, I didn't see That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And it was kind of a weird looking like little
Dinky one. It was very weird. It was like somebody
just found this. Was like, oh, this looks like it
might go to a restaurant. Let's put it on the
set of Lukes Diner.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
That's funny. I did not see that, and then did you.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So we saw Patty, miss Patty. She's eating with some
woman in a yellow sweater. We don't know who it was.
My theory, I think that was east Side Tilly because
remember we future episodes east Side Tilly. She's like the
town gossip, but we never.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
See Sorry, I thought you meant that was someone's real name.
I'm like, who oh, oh, my gosh, oh interesting.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's my fan theory is that that's east Side Tilly.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I'm so curious if anyone else thinks that, because you're right,
we don't see her. It's just always she's always talked about.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
They don't say her name. We don't really see that. Well,
maybe we see that woman again, probably in like the
background of a scene, but they don't identify who she is.
So that's my theory. But Patty seems to be friends
with her because Patty always says, oh I heard it
from east Side Tilly and Babette.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's usually Bebett and Patty talking about what she Yeah,
so so interesting. It's like gossip girl.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I know exactly exactly she's the og, So tell us,
tell us what you think if you agree with that
or not. I mean I could. I'm completely just making
that up. Obviously, I don't know who she was, but
(09:15):
that's my theory. I'm gonna roll with it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I like, at least, like now I have a visual
if I need to refer back to, refer back to.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
We saw the clown pillow in this episode. Oh where
was it? It was when Laurel I was going to
look out the window to see where she was looking
for before Rory came home. Oh, and so she goes
to the living room window and looks out the front window,
and the clown pillow was on that chair. That's right,
(09:45):
it is normal spot under that under that window.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
The one thing I loved about this episode is Laurel's
jacket that the collar pops red with the red purse.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, I didn't even notice the jacket. I was. I
was looking at the purse. I didn't even notice the jacket.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It was like I was looking at it. I'm like,
I need to find a jacket like that because it's black.
But then the collar pops open, so the inside of
it is red, and then it's with the red bag,
and I was like, I need this. It's like, yeah,
there was so much black, I like a pop A Colt.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, that red bag was super cute and so I
was looking at that. I didn't even notice the jacket.
I might have to.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And it's I mean specifically, the scene that I really
really noticed is when she's walking into the grocery store
to see Dean and the way Dean worked a really
long shift that day. Dean was there from before school
until that's true.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Because he was there that night too.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Like in my head, I was like, he is still
there if they're overworking this kid.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well that's funny. Well maybe he went to school in
the middle well.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Because maybe, but it was wait but what time does
the grocery store open that?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Oh that's a good question. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
It is all one day, right, yeah I think I
think so. Yeah, because it starts with Luke at Luke's
diner with no.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
But her outfit changes because this is the episode where
she's wearing. It starts out she's in that really cute
skirt and she's not wearing underwear. Oh you're right, you're right,
So her outfits changed, so it must be a different day.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You're right, You're right, it's just oh, I have a
speaking of timelines, the timeline of well, I guess also
Dean's really work If Rory's going to school with her
backpack on, it's still weird that Dean's working that early.
But anyway, I thought it was interesting what time was
it when Lourai invited Dean? When she invited him at
(11:41):
seven pm? But it was dark out sunsets.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Well, but in the fall, I mean it's dark here
at five o'clock.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, five o'clock. So like,
did he just get off thirty minutes? I think, guess
a small town, it's not that hard to move around.
But I was just she's like seven o'clock, but then
all the food they order and stuff within one hour,
and also there there is no way in two thousand,
her total for five snacks was forty one dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
I was like, I'm pretty sure I can get that
at Target right now for maybe thirty dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
It was interesting because they even made a comment, but
she made a comment about her total. That's what caught me.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, it costs a lot of money to rot your
insides or something.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
It was like in the year two thousand. I don't think,
but maybe.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
You know, because Dosees is a little market, their prices
are higher.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So maybe yeah, got it, import it.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Anyway, that was my random little.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah. And again we're still tracking that piano. The piano
was still there, so I don't know they're going to
open that wall up. It's gotta be soon. I didn't
realize actually that it made it this this many episodes,
so I'm anticipating anytime now that's going to be open
to the front door.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
The one thing I saw and I texted our group
text last night, it's at twenty six fifty seven on
Rory's wall. There is the most terrifying mask or it's
like a mask with a party hat. I have no idea,
but I could not pay attention to the scene.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
It was scary. Yeah, and I didn't even notice it
until you pointed it out. I'm like, oh my gosh,
that thing is horrible. I think I woke up in
the middle of the night. That would scare the crap
out of me.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Well, and then I was trying to think, is it
a character that like they tried to paint like I
was trying to figure out what it's from, and truly
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah, it didn't look familiar to me at all. It
kind of reminded me so for those of you that
are my age that remember mister Rogers.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Oh I remember mister Rogers.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And there was like the little the train would go
into that other little make believe town and there was
Lady Elaine, remember her. She had Oh my gosh, the
giant chin. It reminded me of that. I don't think
that's what it was supposed to be, like, it wasn't.
It didn't look at no, I get to be that,
but it was kind of kind of scary looking like that,
Like she was a scary looking character. And yeah, this
(14:09):
thing on the wall was like.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
It was just so random, which maybe it was like
artwork that Rory did as a kid, you know, like
I don't know, but it was.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
It was an interesting choice for sure. On the part
of the set.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Between this episode and the last one, there was just
a lot of crap in the house, a lot of
stuff and I think I've noted, like I really want
to know the set decorated. They just throw anything they
can find into these early Yeah, because I think and
maybe this is just me paying attention now, but I
(14:44):
think compared to later seasons, there's a lot of stuff
in the background of these.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I noticed that on the last episode when they were
in the kitchen for Rory's birthday party in Suki, like
making the food, and you could see on the on
the wall next to bedroom door, there's like a cabinet
that's just like got random. It's like piles of paper
and stuff, like just random.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But even like even like the way when she's sitting
on the floor of the fridge and all the stuff
is out, like why were half the cans down the hallway,
you know what I mean, Like how did it get
like perfectly standing up? It was just kind of like
they threw anything and everything, which I don't mind. It's
kind of funny, but.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah, a lot of stuff. Yeah, we when we did
the recap, we were talking about some of the unique
camera angles, and that was one of them, that refrigerator
scene where they they're showing the food is all spread
all over the floor like the refrigerator contents, and the
camera's like looking down on them and kind of panning
(15:48):
around what Laurela has in her.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Fridge, which is also confusing because she doesn't like all.
I would have thought it would be a bunch of
leftover like Chinese takeout, Like she doesn't look yea, so
all those cans and whatnot. I'm like, why does she
have stuff? Shouldn't use it?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
She's not gonna have a ton of like fresh now
in there. But it was it was still it was
a funny scene.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
The other thing, I mean, should we jump over to
Dean getting invited to or did you have anything else
before we jump into.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Let's yeah, let's move on to the real meat of
the episode, the whole awkwardness.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I think. I think what's interesting is Lorala I jumps
back and forth between mom and girlfriend because I was like,
you're sad that your daughter didn't tell you about the kiss,
but now you're inviting him over without Rory's permission to
hang out, and you're gonna be I was like, yeah,
(16:47):
how did we get here? Which I mean is just
Laura being Laura.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
I but it was weird and if that if my
mom had done that, I would have reacted the same
way that I thought. She was completely justified in her
horror that her mother had done this. And then and
then poor Rory like she felt stuck because now it's
like she likes him, also looks weird, so we can't
(17:10):
uninvite him, so we have to have him over. But
it looks weird that my mom is the one that
invited him over, and you know, yeah, it just was weird.
And like she said, she made the comment about, you know,
in this country dates like people go on dates by themselves,
and you know, yeah, it was just it was weird.
And I felt bad for her because she already was
(17:33):
confused about how does she feel, and you know, she
didn't want Laurel to meet him, and so she was
kind of already like trying to sort everything out in
her head and then Laurla I like totally forced her
hand by oh yeah, he's coming over.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Clearly within the one hour, she called Suki the gossip
because she didn't ask Suki for dessert. Suki route dessert
to Spy. Yeah, so in the process of setting up
ordering food, setting everything up, she called Suki be like
guess what.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Right, and Suki just created a dessert out of thin air.
Maybe it was something she just brought from the inn
or some.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Probably Yeah, yeah, but it was kind of funny that
scene with the pizza guy and then suddenly like Suki's
slittering the pizza. Yeah, uh, the bone I have to
pick with this is the way they are watching the movie,
because in no way if someone invited me to a
movie night, am I sitting on the floor with no
(18:31):
nothing to support my back, just sitting like a bunch
of first graders this cross Apple Sauce watching Willie Walka
on a date on.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
A date, Yeah, it was. It was weird because she
tells him to put the pizza on the coffee table,
and so you think, Okay, they're gonna sit on the
couch and watch it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
He sat there for two minutes.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
They're all on the floor. Yeah it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
It literally looked like a bunch of first graders sitting
chriss cross Apple Sauce in line. I was like what
and then when he and then when he says like, oh,
do you need something to support your back? But what
are you leaning the pillow against? Like there's nothing to
lean against? Like she like the way he supported her.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I was like, right, I was watching that because I
watched him put the pillow behind her. But it's just
like the air ball behind her and she starts to like,
lean back, and then they cut to the next scene. Okay,
they're not even gonna show that she can't lean back
because there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I thought maybe she would lean on the end of
the couch. Oh he was, he was more on that.
I was literally like this, I don't know, just that
same I'm like, could you put them on the couch?
Why the floor?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, I don't know why they started on the couch
and just didn't stay on the couch. There had to
have been some reason, but it was it was.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Was there not enough room? Pulled a chair that Emily
was sitting on for two episodes exactly through the chair
across the room, which, by the way, so now we
know there's a TV. There was there a TV there
in previous episodes.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
There might have been. There was the there was the
kitchen TV that we saw for a split second in
the other episodeisode. Yeah, but I can't remember.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I remember seeing a TV se a TV or not. Yeah,
unless they moved it for like the party.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, there's also I did notice during the last episode,
the birthday party episode, that there was a TV in
Lorelei's bedroom. It had like clothes and stuff piled on it.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But I don't another episode that just had a bunch
of crap. That that room anxiety.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, her with the clothes everywhere. I know he wasn't made.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I really like the scene with
Dean there. He's just a little cocky. I thought so too.
(20:49):
I'm talking to Laurel.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I yeah, I mean, he definitely kind of had an
edge to him. You definitely could tell he had had
a girlfriend or two before, like this was not new
territory for him. But yeah, the conversation I thought was interesting.
The whole the whole night was just just kind of
(21:12):
awkward and weird. And yeah, it's in the room and
she's out of the room, and yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
And then when she tells her to suddenly switch gears
again to mom, Rory goes back into the kitchen to
be like where are you and she's like, I need
to switch gears or whatever. Yeah, I was like, you
got I think that's why. And maybe this establishes like
how Laura I we don't know if she's a mom
or a friend. And Rory feels the same way because
if I were in that situation, like my mom switching
(21:42):
from girlfriend to mom in the same night, would just
confuse me. Yeah, so yeah, it's like, no wonder she
felt weird telling her mom that she got kissed, but
once you open the can of worms and she's fine,
it's like girl talk.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah, it's just it's very confusing. But I guess that's
also a stable shame that, like Laurel I is still
a kid, kind of raising a kid.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah yeah, And it's it's a transitional period in Rory's
life too, right, Like she's moving, she's starting to be
interested in dating and you know, all that kind of stuff.
So it's it's definitely a transition. And so Laurel I
is trying to figure out you know, Rory is one
(22:27):
of those kids that you know, they're born and they
just raised themselves, Like she didn't need a lot of
parenting when she was little, and now that she's starting
to move into these more adult situations, you know, she
needs a little guidance. And so now Laurela is having
to transition herself from the friend to the mother. But
then by the end of the episode, she's back into
(22:47):
the friend mode again, like, Okay, tell me about the
klip I was it in And yeah, so it's just
kind of setting up, you know that whole. It's just
kind of a conflict that goes throughout the next couple
of years.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
So it's yeah, until the end, even at the very
end about in the revival about the book, I feel
like we even see it there where it's like suddenly
she's like, you can't talk about my life like this
is you know, it's it's an ongoing theme and it's
just interesting to now, yeah, because I mean when I
(23:19):
watched Gilmore Girls originally before this podcast, I didn't really
talk to anyone about the details about it, you know,
like I don't say it with my friends and break
it down considering it's also not on TV right now,
it's right, you know. So it's interesting to have these
conversations because I watch it knowing but actually like talking
it out. I'm like, oh, you really noticed this from
(23:41):
very early on, and Amy and Dan really just continued
these themes, which is really cool. Yeah, And also how
do you keep track of it all? That's what's crazy
to me.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yeah, I know, I think about that too, because they
didn't write every single episode like they did bring other writers,
and I think actually this episode was not written by them,
but especially as it goes through into the later seasons,
Like somebody comes in to write an episode, how do you.
I mean, I know that shows have bibles where they
write down, like all the details of the storylines. Yeah,
(24:12):
but still it just seems like you have to remember,
like what your character's arc was from the beginning and
then write something that is I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Amy and Dan being as involved as they were. Specifically Amy,
I'm sure there was like she would consult a lot
of even if she was writing, and I'm sure she
would consult a lot of the scripts like yeah, remember
when this happens, and we should bring that back or
you know, maybe not write it word for word, but
I'm sure involved.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
In Oh yeah, I'm sure she gave specific directions like
here's what's going to happen in this episode. Yeah, and
then the writer would just you know, make that happen.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
But yeah, I mean, over overall, I think these episodes
are just so special, like you kind of I think
it's the reason why we fell in love with Gilmore Girls,
and these are the these are the episodes that I like.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Rory, Oh yeah, I know, the first season of Gilmour
is great, Like Rory, you're really on her side, like you,
you really can. She seems so relatable for me. During
the Chiltern years was when she was the most relatable.
And then when she graduates and goes to Yale and
they're like, Emily really got her claws into her. That's
(25:21):
when she stops kind of being relatable for me. But
I love the children years, like it's my favorite part
of me too.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's also just like, I don't know, watching someone grow
through those years is so fun and innocent and like ya,
she messes up, Oh well, you know, yeah, in high
school doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
And like the stakes aren't as hot later years.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I did have a conversation with someone though about the
Revival and how they were like, oh, well, like Hush
just couldn't figure her life out, And I'm like, yeah,
but if you think about it, like I'm in my
thirties and I have some friends who are doing great
in their career and some who unfortunately in the entertainment
industry or some industries right now, there's a lot of
(26:02):
layoffs and they're lost. And I was like, in this
moment in my life, I actually realized that the Revival
is really relatable and people are lost, so it's just
it's just interesting at different points in your life when
you see it. I think if I were like in
my early twenties and saw the Revival, I'd be like
or like I'd be like, oh my god, what is
she doing with her life? Like she can't find a job.
(26:23):
And then you're like sitting in it and I'm watching
my friends look for jobs and this and that it's
so hard, and I'm like, nope, it's real.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it was pretty realistic, you know,
especially at that time period where I think we've talked
about this before, where journalism was going digital and getting
away from like print media and you know, newspapers are
going out of business and things, and it just was
in the time for her to be coming in. But yeah,
(26:54):
that's just kind of the state of affairs now, is
that it's it's hard for you know, I'm looking like
my own son is twenty one. He's in his fourth
year of college, and he doesn't know what he wants
to do. Like he's should I go to grad school?
Should I try to get a job? Like he doesn't
he doesn't know at all. When I was a senior
(27:15):
in college, I knew exactly what I was going to do,
like I had everything planned out. But yeah, that's just
I just have a very different personality.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Then I'm the same. I was the same way. I
actually had my a job when I was a senior
in college, so like it was a little different. And
I remember like, as I had that job my senior year,
some people were just starting to look at internships and
I was like, I did that two years ago. But yeah,
(27:42):
I mean, and specifically with I started my career in radio,
radio is not the same as it was. So it's
it's and the same thing with the newspaper world. For Rory,
it's like it evolves and it changes. And now with
like AI, there's so much it's just so interesting. And
I definitely I think looking back at this and started
(28:06):
to bring it back, it's looking at these earlier seasons,
I realized that, like I think I was too hard
on Rory in the later years. I think I'm like
I kind of feel for her now, just like thinking
big picture, like because sometimes you watch these shows and
you're so tunnel vision of like what's happening in this moment,
and then you kind of have to look in the
real world and be like people are kind of going
through that, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Right right, yeah, and it's it can be hard when
you have you know, Rory has a plan. She's going
to go to Harvard, she's going to be a journalism
major journalist whatever, or a writer, and so you you're
on this track, in this path, but then the world
changes in the background and kind of pulls the rug
out from under you, and you're like, okay, what now.
(28:47):
So I think when we got to the revival, we
all would have liked to have seen Rory be at
her full potential, Like, you know, she's got a Pulitzer
and she's you know, won all these awards and she's
gotten she's famous for her writing, and but that didn't
happen for her, and so yeah, that was disappointing, But
it was also that it was also just life. I mean,
that happens.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Do you think I guess I'll just leave it on this.
Do you think that we would have watched a revival
differently if the revival came out post pandemic. I feel
like the pandemic really changed a lot in people's lives,
and and so I just wonder if we would have
looked at it and looked at Rory's life as not
a mess post pandemic and more of Yeah, things aren't
(29:30):
on her side, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Mean because we all came out of the pandemic like
as a mess. I mean, yeah, it's that's a good question.
I hadn't Actually, I'm going to have to give us, you.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Know, because you think of a lot of people who
had lost their jobs in the pandemic and and this,
and that doesn't matter what career it was, it's there's
a lot that changed. And so I wonder if we
would have given Rory a little bit more sympathy if
it's just an interesting guy thought of it as a
risk speaking.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But yeah, that's a good question because the post pandemic
is much more like the gig economy, and you know,
people just are taking what they can and and yeah,
that's a good question. Yeah, that's a good point either way.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
I still love the show, and I love every character
I know exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
I love every season. Even though some seasons are rougher
than others, I still love them all, Like, I mean,
even the episodes.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Yeah, and even the episodes that like we didn't like
recapping with Scott and Daniel and Amy, like they weren't
bad episodes. It just wasn't our favorite, right right, They're
still really good. It's filly good TV.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I mean, it's still completely watchable. Even if there were
some that were like, oh, that storyline was a little boring,
like yeah, you know, I didn't really enjoy that, but
it's not. It's still watchable. I mean, yeah, still a
good week. Yeah, forty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah exactly. Well, anyway, the next episode is going to
be season one episode eight, Love and War and Snow.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yes, this is a good one too. I like this one.
So it's time to bring our town hall meeting to
a close. Thank you all for attending and meeting adjourn.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Dot Hey, everybody, and altoget.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast
and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
Hosts And Creators
Amy Sugarman
Danielle Romo
Scott Patterson
Tara Soudbaksh
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.