November 23, 2021 • 34 mins
Kobe Bryant wasn’t quite flashing The Mamba Mentality yet. He was 13 years old and he was jumping into the middle of the school year at Bala Cynwyd Middle School. Then after a few more months, boom, he was heading to Lower Merion, a public high school in the suburbs just outside Philadelphia, a school where about 10 percent of the students were Black.
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Joe Bryant got a job at Akiba Hebrew Academy, a Jewish day school on the Main Line. You might have heard of Akiba, or at least some of its alumni. Jake Tapper, from CNN, went there, and so did the best-selling author and media personality Mitch Albom.
Joe Bryant was the girls basketball coach there, but it wasn’t like Akiba’s players were all ticketed to play for UConn or Baylor someday. These girls were just learning the game, trying to master its fundamentals, and Joe was happy to teach them that and a few other things. He’d have the players practice dribbling behind their backs and between their legs, stuff that to him was just fun. That’s kind of what the job was to Joe: just fun. He’d even bring Kobe to practice from time to time, and it was there where both Joe and Kobe Bryant met Jeremy Treatman, the man who would become their friend and confidant, for the first time.
It’s a rare thing to have a genuine epiphany, to be able to pinpoint the instant when you know you’ve uncovered something or come across someone who will be famous or special in some way. There’s a story about a man named Jon Landau, who was a music critic and became an influential record producer. In 1974, Landau went to a concert for an up-and-coming band at the Harvard Square Theater in Massachusetts, Afterward, he wrote this, "I saw my rock and roll past flash before my eyes. I saw something else: I saw rock and roll's future, and its name is Bruce Springsteen." Well, Jeremy Treatman had just had his Bruce Springsteen moment. He saw the future of basketball, and its name was Kobe Bryant.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Diversion podcasts. Always played basketball. My family moved to Italy,
and uh, I was raised over there. I think mature
very well over there, fascinating anybody else here in American media.
And when I came back, Um, I had to adapt
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the lifestyle and I became a basketball because it was
totally different, more and fast paced. Life was more upbeat. Yeah,
playing a basketball food it was more physical, So I
had adapted both frames. On the morning of September seven,
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Labor Day, I got a text message from my father
in law, who's a real estate Did you know He
asked that Kobe Bryant's old house is up for sale.
I did now. I was still in the midst of
(01:16):
researching and writing my book on Kobe the Rise, and
I thought there might be a chance, if I got lucky,
that I could get in touch with the owners and
arrange a time to see the house. Actually, I got
even luckier than that. The owner's names were Richard and
Kate Bear. I looked up the name of their realtor.
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I called him, and he called them, and by eleven
o'clock in the morning, I was standing inside the five
bedroom colonial at twelve two Remington Road in Windwood, the
house that Joe and Pam Bryant had bought it for
eighty two thousand dollars on Christmas Eve. The house they
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kept while they spent eight years living mostly in Italy.
The house where Kobe Bryant grew up. And I was
going to go look inside. I'm Mike sealscup and from
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Diversion Podcasts. This is I am Kobe. I quest to
create myself. Exact, I'm self about to create yourself. Say
nice and go on, create yourself. Gotta letter for the
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great minds. But we ain't selling nest gain Time episode three,
A young man in Lower Merit. However, the health does
have a story, and I can I can remember clear
the day that reach O the tour in the house
hal I dodn't know who she was or anybody was
this elegant woman, long long skirt on every day start
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and hair down to her shoulders, big hoop he shoulders.
Around Philadelphia, the area where Kobe Bryant lived when his
family moved back from Italy to the States is known
as the main Line, and for most of its history,
old money Protestants have made up its upper class. In
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the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, the main Line
was a vacation haven for big wigs who lived in
the city, especially for executives with the Pennsylvania rail route,
which cut right through the region. Eventually they started moving
out there to live full time. By the nineteen thirties,
black people clustered in particular neighborhoods and worked as bell hops, maids, laborers,
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and another collar jobs, and by the nineteen fifties, Jews
relocated to the area from West Philadelphia, diversifying Lower Merion
township even more. Over time, it became a melting pot,
but it's affluent neighborhoods remained very Guy Stewart was a
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year ahead of Kobe at Lower Merion High School, and
he was a teammate and friend of Kobe's. Two the
Bryant's lived in a suburb called Windwood. Guy grew up
in another nearby township called Ardmore, So his experience as
a kid was a little different from Kobe's. It was
good and challenging, right, So, growing up in Laurer Marian
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you had the luxuries of being in in in the suburbs.
You know, all the amenities that are that are available
to you through lawer Marian school districts. Through being in
Armore and growing up near and near that area. We
lived in an area in a section in our more
where you know, you were still able to be around
people that that looked like you and you guys had
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the same kind of goals and thoughts and experiences, so
you were able to kind of relate to some things
um or actually to a lot of things right. But
on the on the other side, it's like you're growing
up in an area where it's predominantly you know, white,
as you know, the main line is there's a lot
of money out there, so you know, getting used to that,
(05:27):
having friends that live in these big mansions, driving you
know cars, especially in high school, you know, your your
classmates are coming to school and in different types of
cars than you are, And unfortunately there there were times
where you were just singled out or not included because
you know, you were kind of different. But a lot
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of great people with Laura Maryan that I grew up
with them with the school with um a lot of
great relationships that I continue to have now with with
a lot of those guys, whether it be you know,
in my neighborhood or or outside, and like narbarous and
Winwood and ballotim Wood areas, so you know, it's those
are the kind of like the two sides of it.
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But you still live close enough to Philadelphia where you
were able to kind of drive in and play in
those playgrounds and kind of get that different experience of
playing with guys from the city. Joe and Pam Bryant
moved out to Los Angeles with Kobe after he joined
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the Lakers in and apparently other members of a Bryant
family would continue to use or stay in the house,
but Joe and Pam didn't sell it to the Bears
until two thousand eight, which got me thinking, why would
they hold onto it that long. I could only guess
that the house meant a lot to them. It was
where their children, especially their youngest child, had grown up,
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and if you've seen the house, you'd understand why they
might have felt such affection, for it had colorful beds
of flowers in the front, a driveway that wrapped around
the entire property, and of course a basketball whop above
the two car garage. Still, by the standards of the
main line, it was pretty modest, which is pretty incredible
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if you're standing inside it or walking around it, and
you can imagine that they would sit here watch their
basketball right there. I mean, which is so that's pretty cool.
All this tap room, this is an interesting room to me,
play room they had here a table of gorgeous would
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from Africa, And I didn't know, you know who Pa was,
but I just said, oh my gosh, would you be
willing to sell that? She says, no, it all has
you know, personale feniaminal value. Kate Bear remembered every detail
of the way the Brian's house used to be, and
she described all of it to me as she gave
me a tour from room to room. In the family room,
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the brian It's had a giant television that covered the
entire wall, not far from a set of sliding glass
doors that led to their backyard. That tells you something
about the people living in the house. Here was a
playroom for the kids. This wasn't the only player. I
just want to say, I have my own bias about
who these people were, and I saw this house as
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being very caring and warm and affecionate. So there are
lots of little things and you piece them all together,
like even the big TV, and don't maybe you just
see them sitting around the TV. The walls top to
ceiling were covered with wo She led me down a
hallway and opened a panel to a crawl space. Inside
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there was a heating pipe with something written on it
in fat black marker. It looked like a label, so
that you know what pipe led to what part of
the house, second floor, Kobe's room. That's why when we
had this all insulated, we had them cut that piece out.
I don't blame you, so we know exactly which room
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was his, which I'll take you too, next man. To
get to Kobe's old bedroom, we had to pass through
the living room and they're on the floor. Taking up
half the space was the basketball hoop and backboard that
had once hung above the garage and driveway. Right. It's
right here in the living room. And that's because after
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them stopping by taking pictures, and this must have been
madness for me over the last few days. It was
we were standing guard like window still there, still there,
oh man. So then we had to have it taken down.
Somebody would steal to the front of the rim was
bent downward about an inch. It was impossible to look
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at the hoop and not think about Kobe and his father.
How many games of one on one had they played
on that basket? Was that rim bent because of all
the times they had dumped on it? Had to be right, God,
This basket represented all the thousands of hours that Kobe
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had spent honing his craft, learning the nuances and little
tricks of the game from Joe. So many hours a
father and son together, and now there it was, up
ended and askew on the living room floor, which I
don't want to call it art, but you know, suspend right.
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Kate then turned to me and showed me a photo
that she had kept on her phone. It was of
a picture that Pam Bryant had hung above her son's bed,
a representation of two guardian angels, both of them black.
Between the angels were these words. God has given each
of us an angel in our life, and if in
life we seek his way, he will surely guide us. Right,
(10:59):
that would thinking here I was right above his bed,
totally right above his bed. Pictures, pictures, pictures everywhere. I mean,
little framed things like this. But this, you say, so sweet? Yes,
I mean, of course we're just taking it, Georgia. That
the I don't know who they are, and I'm thinking
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these are sweet. E Bay would be here, you know,
these pictures something like that. They tell a story. Yeah,
TVs and all those things to tell a story. And
I'll tell you the story is one of those calmness
and comfort, it's just and sweetness and caring. It's a caring,
loving house. That was my own Christian Well. I'm a
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career counsel from you know, with executives for one most
of my life, and so I remember thinking, like you know,
and I've noticed things, something bad. We moved on to
the study. There were old magazines from the nineteen eighties
and nineteen nineties on the shelves of a All You
and on Joe Bryant's old desk. It felt like we
(12:03):
were walking through a museum, but there were no ropes
to keep us from touching and examining the exhibits. One
magazine stood out. Michael Jordan was on the cover wearing
his white Chicago Bulls jersey, smiling brightly, a cigar in
his left hand. This was a sports and then here's Kobe's.
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The dressed sticker is to Kobe, how old was he?
He would have been fourteen? Is that sweet? Because he
turned would turned thirteen years old. That was his idol
and you're a dressed to him. It was all set
and that was my impression, and I always felt pretty
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acciment about that. Yeah, I was like, no, this is
a whole family. This isn't just Kobe's house right. Without
that family there would you know Kobe exactly? So who
was Kobe Bryant back then? Right after he and his
family returned from Europe in the fall of Hey. This
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is Mike Selsky, host and writer of I Am Kobe.
This podcast project came out of my work on a
related book called The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit
of Immortality. If you want to explore other parts of
Kobe's story, check out The Rise. It's not just a
book version of the podcast. I dive deeper into some
of the topics covered in this series and even some
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that we don't cover at all. Kobe's upbringing, his family,
his identity, his effect on his friends and teammates, his
journey into the n b A, and his earliest days
with the Lakers. The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit
of Immortality is out now. Just head over to the
Rise of Kobe book dot Com and you can buy
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it from any of your favorite retailers. That's the rise
of Kobe book dot Com. Thanks. Kobe wasn't quite flashing
the Mamba mentality yet. He was thirteen years old and
he was jumping into the middle of the school year
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at ballykin Wood Middle School. Then after a few more months, boom,
he was heading to Lower Marion, a public high school
in the suburbs just outside Philadelphia, a school whereabout ten
percent of the students were black. Joe got a job
at a Cuba Hebrew Academy, a Jewish day school on
the main Line. You might have heard of Akiba, or
(14:51):
at least some of its alumni. Jake Tapper from CNN
went there, and so did the best selling author and
media personality Mitch Album. Joe was the girls basketball coach there,
but it wasn't like a Keeba's players were all ticketed
to play for Yukon or Baylor someday. These girls were
just learning the game, trying to master its fundamentals, and
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Joe was happy to teach them that and a few
other things. He'd have the players practice dribbling behind their
backs and between their legs, stuff that to him was
just fun. That's kind of what the job was to Joe,
just fun. He'd even bring Kobe to practice from time
to time, and it was there where both Joe and
Kobe Bryant met Jeremy Treatment, the man who would become
(15:34):
their friend and confident for the first time. First time
I remember saying Kobe on a basketball court was at
a Keyba Hebrew Academy on a side basket. I was
coaching the jav boys and his father, Joe Brian was
coaching the girls. It was a Sunday morning, and Kobe
came in and he just started doing the mic and
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drill on a side basket. Then he was taking some
short john person and mind you, both both courts were
being used at the time for practices, so he just
he didn't have anywhere to really to go. But then
I just started watching him elevate. It wasn't really dunking,
but his but his both hands were over the room.
I mean he was he was kind of laying him
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in and then I saw him hitting some side corner
shots from on both rims, and that's when I started
to ask Joe about him, and what did you say?
I said, how how could this Kobe? Is he going
to be anything like you at twelve years old or
two years old? If he's so much better than than
I was, it's not even close. I said, really, I
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mean you were like you went to bart From you
were like the number one player in the area. You
went to the South, you were number one draft pick. Um.
Are you are you employing that he's going to be
better than you? He said, Jeremy, he's gonna be so
much better than me. It's not even funny. I'm like, really,
he goes, you're six, so ten, you're Magic Johnson. It's Jeremy,
it's not even close. And he's so much better than me.
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It's not close. Jeremy couldn't believe what he was hearing.
He'd grown up loving Philly basketball. He'd seen Joe Bryant play.
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He knew how good Joe was and Kobe was going
to be better. And how did your relationship with Kobe
developed from there? It went kind of through Joe Bryant
because me and Joe hit it off from the beginning,
and we were very close for about nine years two
thousand and one, and there wasn't a week that we
went by. We didn't talk. So the more I got
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to be around Joe, the more I got to be
around Kobe and been over the house a couple of times,
and to see them at a Cuba many times, solo
mental sal a few times. It's a rare thing to
have a genuine epithan, to be able to pinpoint then
when you know you've uncovered something or come across someone
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who will be famous or special in some way. There's
a story about a man named John Landau, who was
a music critic and became an influential record producer. In
nineteen seventy four, Landau went to a concert for an
up and coming band at the Harvard Square Theater in Massachusetts. Afterward,
(18:25):
he wrote this, I saw my rock and roll past
flash before my eyes. I saw something else. I saw
rock and rolls future, and its name is Bruce Springsteen. Well,
Jeremy Treatment had just had his Bruce Springsteen moment. He
(18:46):
saw the future of basketball and its name was Kobe Bryant.
I could never be a real nervous I'm going to
shoot around. Didn't know what to expect playoff game, team
abiss so young. I really don't know what to expect.
I just came ready to play for myself, but I
probably didn't want to shoot nor shooting hond. I was
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just so nervous. But during a game, teammates came out
but a lot of enthusiasm and started playing very hard,
and I knew right from there that we can go
a long way. And I was struggling a little bit.
That game, I got my first technical foul. I was
trash talking a little bit to go on the other
team and the rest are as I was talking or
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something like that, So we getting a technical foul. Uh.
But I didn't score like that game. And the same
guy I was talking trash you said, uh that they
were locking me up or something. So I told that
the next player was gonna dope in the whole team.
He just kind of looked at me funny. And the
next player I came down dont an old team. I
told him. I said, I told you I could do
what if I want out here. But before Kobe could
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take over American basketball, he had to adjust to America
and that process wasn't quite so smooth. Here's Jeremy again.
He just come from it. He kind of used basketball
too as a social life, like he would just played basketball,
play bad, just like he did in Italy. Everybody was
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kind of different to him because he was from four
to twelve. He grew up in Italy, so he was
he was like a farmer. He was like a foreign student.
You know, it was like he was. I mean, forget
that he's born here and his dabaged a Priyan. He
was more like an Italian kid coming to a versatile
neighborhood six miles from the city of Philadelphia. And so
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if you're going to be a basketball guy, you know
soon you're gonna learned what West Philly was and where
Philly was and South. He wasn't. I think he may
have heard it all from his dad, but until you
experienced it, you know, I think it was all. I
think it was a little mind blowing. Kobe and his
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sisters didn't know much of anything about American pop culture.
What was cool, what wasn't, What to wear, what to watch,
what music to listen to, the catchphrase, the slang, the
shared language and experiences that are so important to making
friendships and bonding with peers at that age, Cheers, the
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Cosby Show, the Arsenio Hall Show, Eat My Shorts. Kobe
didn't know what any of those things were. He didn't
have the same familiarity with that stuff that he's peers.
I mean, I was a new student my freshman year
of high school too, way back in the fall of
but at least I knew who Paula Abduel was. Here's
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guys Steward Again, I think it was a real culture
shock for him and his family. They dressed different when
they first came to Lawyer Marian, So you know, there
was some teasing, there were some some people being a
little bit standoffish um with them being new and and
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and kind of looking different and dressing different. And I
think being on the basketball team being as good as
he was his freshman year kind of helped him, uh,
integrate into the school a lot easier than it would
be for somebody that wasn't playing a sport. I think
so over time, you know, as they got used to
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the kind of the the way we dressed here, and
and and and different things, they were quote unquote, and
I'm doing air quotes, they were accepted a little bit more.
But you know, but I don't think it was it
was that bad. They are a great family. The sisters
are great, and obviously Kobe is great. It was an
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easier transition because of the character that they had, and
it's just the way that they interacted with people. They
didn't have their nose up or or anything like that.
They just they were just super friendly. It just took
them time to kind of get used to how we
were back in the States. You mentioned that they dressed different.
How did they dress, Um, it was like a lot
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of European clothing and and you know, bigger clothing. I mean,
obviously they dressed different in Italy than they did over here.
So we were more into different fashions at that time
and wearing our clothes differently. They just weren't used to that,
but you know, they quickly were able to adapt and
and kind of get rid of the Europe being closed
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and get with the fashions that that we're here at
that time. Plus he had basketball. Kobe joined the team
at Ballykinwood Middle School right away and he was the
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best player on the team right away, which was great
news to anyone who followed or cared about Lower Merion
High School basketball. Bala Fetti students and its student athletes
into Lower Marian once they graduated eighth grade, and just
a couple of years ero here, the high school had
hired a new boys basketball coach, Gregg down And as
soon as he got there, Downer knew that the program
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needed a shot in the army. I inherited kind of
like a sub five hundred type program. UM. They were
struggling with academics, get back cleaned up, and you know,
I didn't really have any long term goals other than
probably working hard, infusing some energy into the program with
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the young person, and you know, trying to make basketball important. Uh,
basketball had become probably unimportant when they were struggling before
I got there, with some of those sub five hundred seasons. UM.
But there was there was no master plan. And then
certainly any coach would be lucky to come across a
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town like Hersan Bryant. But the coach at Ballykin with
Middle School, Dr. George Smith, had strict rules that he
expected all his players to follow, including Kobe Balla played
only zone defense and on offense. Dr Smith insisted that
the team passed the ball three times before taking a shot.
He was like Gene Hackman and Hoosiers. Kobe, of course,
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didn't want to pass the ball so much. He didn't
want to pass the ball at all, and he took
Dr Smith's instructions as a slight as a sign of disrespect.
In his mind, he was getting slighted a lot, and
like many great athletes, he used those doubts to motivate himself.
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In a year after Kevin Garnett had gone straight to
the NBA out of high school, Kobe talked with Jeremy
about how long he'd been thinking about turning pro himself.
And what was stunning was Kobe had been thinking about
it seriously since eighth and nine. Friend. I met a
great friend I named Matman called He's always been there
(26:17):
for me, and I could tell him anything, and I
think that I don't know if people leave me. At first,
he's gonna be just mat Hey, I can do this
and this, and like two minutes, I can do this
or whatever. He was really really gonna believe. And then
when I started to achieve things I was going to do,
and he started believe me. He had no doubt. Whatever
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I said I was gonna do, I was gonna accomplish.
And I came with Damn. I told him I was
going I'm gonna have an option that you can go
to the nba Um just split out of high school
and he kind of looked at me said was doubting.
He said, you know, he said, no, I can't. I
can't doubt you anymore today till my DoD poffy wrong.
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And now they they have come, I'm seeing him. Everybody
started talking about, you know, I have the ability to
go to the especially because Kevin had made the jump
through kind of open doors, and people thought that that's
why I was considering. But I never crossed my mind. Really,
I had it. I had it all on all along.
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He's just beat good puns. He kind of wing Yeah,
you know, actually I'm kind of happy that he didn't
because take a little bit of the pressure off me.
I came back in the middle of the eight great
year and I just played basketball and Mat just tell
you body app would be a pro one day. Basically yeah, yeah,
whatever whatever, and not even going that far. People she say, oh,
(27:43):
he's not that good now. Yeah, I was about the
FO points. That's because of coach. Don't let me shoot.
That's another stories. It was a matter of fact, there
was a three on three food but up tournament. I
was in middle school and Bella kent with and just
doing on people. But up tourn the man at Mary
in high school and it was me, Matt mccalf and
Day laugh that's lost. No, we went they said, uh
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people were saying that and like uh yeah, you guys
are not gonna win, and like yeah right, you back
just going in this high school. Didn's not gonna win.
It's like such a big deal like that, like it
puts money with your mouth. So good. We went there,
did that, So I come back. I'm like, guys, let's
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start of busing next. Heybody started laughing like yeah right,
you know what I'm saying, Like okay, yeah, Like I'm
in high school scenes and my classmates, people in my
in my green like yeah yeah, yeah whatever, and I'm
starting leading score leading rebounded. It was funny, man, it
was funny. But it's not a doubt. I said that thing.
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He's gonna be in the Vision one college player kid, right, kid,
You're not gonna be Just not a doubt right there.
Damn he said he's gonna be a pro. I even
go out of high school. He went into yeah. Right,
So when one Day came out to other, everybody shut up,
you're on him, get all that massage I'm not saying
(29:10):
just to be saying. I'm telling him with him every
days that good? Yeah, okay, because it is day now
it's money. He comes up to musical people are starting
to dodge with him. I don't understand why people were
dodging because the dybody wrong. Now the same people are
starting to down you because I listened to Kobe here
(29:46):
and I can't get over the chip that he carried
on his shoulder back then. He cared so much about
what people thought about him when he was fourteen years old.
You want an insight into the mamba ment Hallardy, that's it.
That's a fourteen year old who doesn't believe he's going
to play in the NBA. He knows it, and he's
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going to do whatever he has to do, work harder,
practice more, shoot more, anything to make his dream a reality.
And he's gonna do it because so few people think
that he can do. I mean who believed in him
then his family obviously, but beyond that, his friend Matt,
(30:30):
Matt Cooff, Jeremy Treatment and himself. That really was it.
But that was all going to change very very quickly.
What if exposed? All right? That was a good exposure
on the Bat That's next week on I Am Kobe.
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Jeremy Treatm love our Rise before the Sun. They don't
understand when I say the grind is fun. Never clock
you out even when my work is done. If they're
trying to block me, I might hurt someone through the
blood sweat and says we perseverit, stay tilling it, let
it keep the horses, and then if they don't believe
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in themselves, they revert to find that the champon's head.
So I'm telling them, ask my am, this the reason
why my work so damn different to the negatives. I
can listen see me at the time. You can't listen
where I'm amote to play like cash is see. I
pay my dudes because taxes gotta work. I think you
grind ahead of his time. So I'm saying that they
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Say nicey names are create yourself. You gotta learn from
the great minds. No, we ain't lying to tell them
next game time. This time wasn't giving. It was made
the future. Any time I can change better tell them
that I made it back home. As I walked through
the hearts of the fact, I can't from the valley
of the Shadow with death waiting for some spoons, don't
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hold your breath, Sat Town, sat Train but I did
it with less I know on them that the being
so there's nothing to guess. Yeah, there's nothing the yes,
it's our times. Tell them we up next. We don't
got any regrets. I did it with my soon hands,
and we never forgets my bit. The reason why my
work so damn different to the negatives. I can't listen
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to see me at the time. You can't listen for
where rebuild, reach shape, give me your you got to
risk take do it now. When I'm saying why breaks,
I'm wonna saying that they mayn't. You don't tell them
you create yourself the besh you finn watch us, but
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black break we create yourself, Watch wee quest me, watch
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for the great minds. But we ain't lying telling next
any time. Ye Diversion Podcasts
Diversion podcasts. Always played basketball. My family moved to Italy,
and uh, I was raised over there. I think mature
very well over there, fascinating anybody else here in American media.
And when I came back, Um, I had to adapt
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the lifestyle and I became a basketball because it was
totally different, more and fast paced. Life was more upbeat. Yeah,
playing a basketball food it was more physical, So I
had adapted both frames. On the morning of September seven,
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Labor Day, I got a text message from my father
in law, who's a real estate Did you know He
asked that Kobe Bryant's old house is up for sale.
I did now. I was still in the midst of
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researching and writing my book on Kobe the Rise, and
I thought there might be a chance, if I got lucky,
that I could get in touch with the owners and
arrange a time to see the house. Actually, I got
even luckier than that. The owner's names were Richard and
Kate Bear. I looked up the name of their realtor.
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I called him, and he called them, and by eleven
o'clock in the morning, I was standing inside the five
bedroom colonial at twelve two Remington Road in Windwood, the
house that Joe and Pam Bryant had bought it for
eighty two thousand dollars on Christmas Eve. The house they
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kept while they spent eight years living mostly in Italy.
The house where Kobe Bryant grew up. And I was
going to go look inside. I'm Mike sealscup and from
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Diversion Podcasts. This is I am Kobe. I quest to
create myself. Exact, I'm self about to create yourself. Say
nice and go on, create yourself. Gotta letter for the
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great minds. But we ain't selling nest gain Time episode three,
A young man in Lower Merit. However, the health does
have a story, and I can I can remember clear
the day that reach O the tour in the house
hal I dodn't know who she was or anybody was
this elegant woman, long long skirt on every day start
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and hair down to her shoulders, big hoop he shoulders.
Around Philadelphia, the area where Kobe Bryant lived when his
family moved back from Italy to the States is known
as the main Line, and for most of its history,
old money Protestants have made up its upper class. In
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the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, the main Line
was a vacation haven for big wigs who lived in
the city, especially for executives with the Pennsylvania rail route,
which cut right through the region. Eventually they started moving
out there to live full time. By the nineteen thirties,
black people clustered in particular neighborhoods and worked as bell hops, maids, laborers,
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and another collar jobs, and by the nineteen fifties, Jews
relocated to the area from West Philadelphia, diversifying Lower Merion
township even more. Over time, it became a melting pot,
but it's affluent neighborhoods remained very Guy Stewart was a
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year ahead of Kobe at Lower Merion High School, and
he was a teammate and friend of Kobe's. Two the
Bryant's lived in a suburb called Windwood. Guy grew up
in another nearby township called Ardmore, So his experience as
a kid was a little different from Kobe's. It was
good and challenging, right, So, growing up in Laurer Marian
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you had the luxuries of being in in in the suburbs.
You know, all the amenities that are that are available
to you through lawer Marian school districts. Through being in
Armore and growing up near and near that area. We
lived in an area in a section in our more
where you know, you were still able to be around
people that that looked like you and you guys had
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the same kind of goals and thoughts and experiences, so
you were able to kind of relate to some things
um or actually to a lot of things right. But
on the on the other side, it's like you're growing
up in an area where it's predominantly you know, white,
as you know, the main line is there's a lot
of money out there, so you know, getting used to that,
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having friends that live in these big mansions, driving you
know cars, especially in high school, you know, your your
classmates are coming to school and in different types of
cars than you are, And unfortunately there there were times
where you were just singled out or not included because
you know, you were kind of different. But a lot
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of great people with Laura Maryan that I grew up
with them with the school with um a lot of
great relationships that I continue to have now with with
a lot of those guys, whether it be you know,
in my neighborhood or or outside, and like narbarous and
Winwood and ballotim Wood areas, so you know, it's those
are the kind of like the two sides of it.
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But you still live close enough to Philadelphia where you
were able to kind of drive in and play in
those playgrounds and kind of get that different experience of
playing with guys from the city. Joe and Pam Bryant
moved out to Los Angeles with Kobe after he joined
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the Lakers in and apparently other members of a Bryant
family would continue to use or stay in the house,
but Joe and Pam didn't sell it to the Bears
until two thousand eight, which got me thinking, why would
they hold onto it that long. I could only guess
that the house meant a lot to them. It was
where their children, especially their youngest child, had grown up,
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and if you've seen the house, you'd understand why they
might have felt such affection, for it had colorful beds
of flowers in the front, a driveway that wrapped around
the entire property, and of course a basketball whop above
the two car garage. Still, by the standards of the
main line, it was pretty modest, which is pretty incredible
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if you're standing inside it or walking around it, and
you can imagine that they would sit here watch their
basketball right there. I mean, which is so that's pretty cool.
All this tap room, this is an interesting room to me,
play room they had here a table of gorgeous would
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from Africa, And I didn't know, you know who Pa was,
but I just said, oh my gosh, would you be
willing to sell that? She says, no, it all has
you know, personale feniaminal value. Kate Bear remembered every detail
of the way the Brian's house used to be, and
she described all of it to me as she gave
me a tour from room to room. In the family room,
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the brian It's had a giant television that covered the
entire wall, not far from a set of sliding glass
doors that led to their backyard. That tells you something
about the people living in the house. Here was a
playroom for the kids. This wasn't the only player. I
just want to say, I have my own bias about
who these people were, and I saw this house as
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being very caring and warm and affecionate. So there are
lots of little things and you piece them all together,
like even the big TV, and don't maybe you just
see them sitting around the TV. The walls top to
ceiling were covered with wo She led me down a
hallway and opened a panel to a crawl space. Inside
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there was a heating pipe with something written on it
in fat black marker. It looked like a label, so
that you know what pipe led to what part of
the house, second floor, Kobe's room. That's why when we
had this all insulated, we had them cut that piece out.
I don't blame you, so we know exactly which room
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was his, which I'll take you too, next man. To
get to Kobe's old bedroom, we had to pass through
the living room and they're on the floor. Taking up
half the space was the basketball hoop and backboard that
had once hung above the garage and driveway. Right. It's
right here in the living room. And that's because after
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them stopping by taking pictures, and this must have been
madness for me over the last few days. It was
we were standing guard like window still there, still there,
oh man. So then we had to have it taken down.
Somebody would steal to the front of the rim was
bent downward about an inch. It was impossible to look
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at the hoop and not think about Kobe and his father.
How many games of one on one had they played
on that basket? Was that rim bent because of all
the times they had dumped on it? Had to be right, God,
This basket represented all the thousands of hours that Kobe
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had spent honing his craft, learning the nuances and little
tricks of the game from Joe. So many hours a
father and son together, and now there it was, up
ended and askew on the living room floor, which I
don't want to call it art, but you know, suspend right.
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Kate then turned to me and showed me a photo
that she had kept on her phone. It was of
a picture that Pam Bryant had hung above her son's bed,
a representation of two guardian angels, both of them black.
Between the angels were these words. God has given each
of us an angel in our life, and if in
life we seek his way, he will surely guide us. Right,
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that would thinking here I was right above his bed,
totally right above his bed. Pictures, pictures, pictures everywhere. I mean,
little framed things like this. But this, you say, so sweet? Yes,
I mean, of course we're just taking it, Georgia. That
the I don't know who they are, and I'm thinking
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these are sweet. E Bay would be here, you know,
these pictures something like that. They tell a story. Yeah,
TVs and all those things to tell a story. And
I'll tell you the story is one of those calmness
and comfort, it's just and sweetness and caring. It's a caring,
loving house. That was my own Christian Well. I'm a
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career counsel from you know, with executives for one most
of my life, and so I remember thinking, like you know,
and I've noticed things, something bad. We moved on to
the study. There were old magazines from the nineteen eighties
and nineteen nineties on the shelves of a All You
and on Joe Bryant's old desk. It felt like we
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were walking through a museum, but there were no ropes
to keep us from touching and examining the exhibits. One
magazine stood out. Michael Jordan was on the cover wearing
his white Chicago Bulls jersey, smiling brightly, a cigar in
his left hand. This was a sports and then here's Kobe's.
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The dressed sticker is to Kobe, how old was he?
He would have been fourteen? Is that sweet? Because he
turned would turned thirteen years old. That was his idol
and you're a dressed to him. It was all set
and that was my impression, and I always felt pretty
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acciment about that. Yeah, I was like, no, this is
a whole family. This isn't just Kobe's house right. Without
that family there would you know Kobe exactly? So who
was Kobe Bryant back then? Right after he and his
family returned from Europe in the fall of Hey. This
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is Mike Selsky, host and writer of I Am Kobe.
This podcast project came out of my work on a
related book called The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit
of Immortality. If you want to explore other parts of
Kobe's story, check out The Rise. It's not just a
book version of the podcast. I dive deeper into some
of the topics covered in this series and even some
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that we don't cover at all. Kobe's upbringing, his family,
his identity, his effect on his friends and teammates, his
journey into the n b A, and his earliest days
with the Lakers. The Rise Kobe Bryant and the Pursuit
of Immortality is out now. Just head over to the
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it from any of your favorite retailers. That's the rise
of Kobe book dot Com. Thanks. Kobe wasn't quite flashing
the Mamba mentality yet. He was thirteen years old and
he was jumping into the middle of the school year
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at ballykin Wood Middle School. Then after a few more months, boom,
he was heading to Lower Marion, a public high school
in the suburbs just outside Philadelphia, a school whereabout ten
percent of the students were black. Joe got a job
at a Cuba Hebrew Academy, a Jewish day school on
the main Line. You might have heard of Akiba, or
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at least some of its alumni. Jake Tapper from CNN
went there, and so did the best selling author and
media personality Mitch Album. Joe was the girls basketball coach there,
but it wasn't like a Keeba's players were all ticketed
to play for Yukon or Baylor someday. These girls were
just learning the game, trying to master its fundamentals, and
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Joe was happy to teach them that and a few
other things. He'd have the players practice dribbling behind their
backs and between their legs, stuff that to him was
just fun. That's kind of what the job was to Joe,
just fun. He'd even bring Kobe to practice from time
to time, and it was there where both Joe and
Kobe Bryant met Jeremy Treatment, the man who would become
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their friend and confident for the first time. First time
I remember saying Kobe on a basketball court was at
a Keyba Hebrew Academy on a side basket. I was
coaching the jav boys and his father, Joe Brian was
coaching the girls. It was a Sunday morning, and Kobe
came in and he just started doing the mic and
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drill on a side basket. Then he was taking some
short john person and mind you, both both courts were
being used at the time for practices, so he just
he didn't have anywhere to really to go. But then
I just started watching him elevate. It wasn't really dunking,
but his but his both hands were over the room.
I mean he was he was kind of laying him
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in and then I saw him hitting some side corner
shots from on both rims, and that's when I started
to ask Joe about him, and what did you say?
I said, how how could this Kobe? Is he going
to be anything like you at twelve years old or
two years old? If he's so much better than than
I was, it's not even close. I said, really, I
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mean you were like you went to bart From you
were like the number one player in the area. You
went to the South, you were number one draft pick. Um.
Are you are you employing that he's going to be
better than you? He said, Jeremy, he's gonna be so
much better than me. It's not even funny. I'm like, really,
he goes, you're six, so ten, you're Magic Johnson. It's Jeremy,
it's not even close. And he's so much better than me.
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It's not close. Jeremy couldn't believe what he was hearing.
He'd grown up loving Philly basketball. He'd seen Joe Bryant play.
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He knew how good Joe was and Kobe was going
to be better. And how did your relationship with Kobe
developed from there? It went kind of through Joe Bryant
because me and Joe hit it off from the beginning,
and we were very close for about nine years two
thousand and one, and there wasn't a week that we
went by. We didn't talk. So the more I got
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to be around Joe, the more I got to be
around Kobe and been over the house a couple of times,
and to see them at a Cuba many times, solo
mental sal a few times. It's a rare thing to
have a genuine epithan, to be able to pinpoint then
when you know you've uncovered something or come across someone
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who will be famous or special in some way. There's
a story about a man named John Landau, who was
a music critic and became an influential record producer. In
nineteen seventy four, Landau went to a concert for an
up and coming band at the Harvard Square Theater in Massachusetts. Afterward,
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he wrote this, I saw my rock and roll past
flash before my eyes. I saw something else. I saw
rock and rolls future, and its name is Bruce Springsteen. Well,
Jeremy Treatment had just had his Bruce Springsteen moment. He
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saw the future of basketball and its name was Kobe Bryant.
I could never be a real nervous I'm going to
shoot around. Didn't know what to expect playoff game, team
abiss so young. I really don't know what to expect.
I just came ready to play for myself, but I
probably didn't want to shoot nor shooting hond. I was
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just so nervous. But during a game, teammates came out
but a lot of enthusiasm and started playing very hard,
and I knew right from there that we can go
a long way. And I was struggling a little bit.
That game, I got my first technical foul. I was
trash talking a little bit to go on the other
team and the rest are as I was talking or
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something like that, So we getting a technical foul. Uh.
But I didn't score like that game. And the same
guy I was talking trash you said, uh that they
were locking me up or something. So I told that
the next player was gonna dope in the whole team.
He just kind of looked at me funny. And the
next player I came down dont an old team. I
told him. I said, I told you I could do
what if I want out here. But before Kobe could
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take over American basketball, he had to adjust to America
and that process wasn't quite so smooth. Here's Jeremy again.
He just come from it. He kind of used basketball
too as a social life, like he would just played basketball,
play bad, just like he did in Italy. Everybody was
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kind of different to him because he was from four
to twelve. He grew up in Italy, so he was
he was like a farmer. He was like a foreign student.
You know, it was like he was. I mean, forget
that he's born here and his dabaged a Priyan. He
was more like an Italian kid coming to a versatile
neighborhood six miles from the city of Philadelphia. And so
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if you're going to be a basketball guy, you know
soon you're gonna learned what West Philly was and where
Philly was and South. He wasn't. I think he may
have heard it all from his dad, but until you
experienced it, you know, I think it was all. I
think it was a little mind blowing. Kobe and his
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sisters didn't know much of anything about American pop culture.
What was cool, what wasn't, What to wear, what to watch,
what music to listen to, the catchphrase, the slang, the
shared language and experiences that are so important to making
friendships and bonding with peers at that age, Cheers, the
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Cosby Show, the Arsenio Hall Show, Eat My Shorts. Kobe
didn't know what any of those things were. He didn't
have the same familiarity with that stuff that he's peers.
I mean, I was a new student my freshman year
of high school too, way back in the fall of
but at least I knew who Paula Abduel was. Here's
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guys Steward Again, I think it was a real culture
shock for him and his family. They dressed different when
they first came to Lawyer Marian, So you know, there
was some teasing, there were some some people being a
little bit standoffish um with them being new and and
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and kind of looking different and dressing different. And I
think being on the basketball team being as good as
he was his freshman year kind of helped him, uh,
integrate into the school a lot easier than it would
be for somebody that wasn't playing a sport. I think
so over time, you know, as they got used to
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the kind of the the way we dressed here, and
and and and different things, they were quote unquote, and
I'm doing air quotes, they were accepted a little bit more.
But you know, but I don't think it was it
was that bad. They are a great family. The sisters
are great, and obviously Kobe is great. It was an
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easier transition because of the character that they had, and
it's just the way that they interacted with people. They
didn't have their nose up or or anything like that.
They just they were just super friendly. It just took
them time to kind of get used to how we
were back in the States. You mentioned that they dressed different.
How did they dress, Um, it was like a lot
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of European clothing and and you know, bigger clothing. I mean,
obviously they dressed different in Italy than they did over here.
So we were more into different fashions at that time
and wearing our clothes differently. They just weren't used to that,
but you know, they quickly were able to adapt and
and kind of get rid of the Europe being closed
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and get with the fashions that that we're here at
that time. Plus he had basketball. Kobe joined the team
at Ballykinwood Middle School right away and he was the
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best player on the team right away, which was great
news to anyone who followed or cared about Lower Merion
High School basketball. Bala Fetti students and its student athletes
into Lower Marian once they graduated eighth grade, and just
a couple of years ero here, the high school had
hired a new boys basketball coach, Gregg down And as
soon as he got there, Downer knew that the program
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needed a shot in the army. I inherited kind of
like a sub five hundred type program. UM. They were
struggling with academics, get back cleaned up, and you know,
I didn't really have any long term goals other than
probably working hard, infusing some energy into the program with
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the young person, and you know, trying to make basketball important. Uh,
basketball had become probably unimportant when they were struggling before
I got there, with some of those sub five hundred seasons. UM.
But there was there was no master plan. And then
certainly any coach would be lucky to come across a
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town like Hersan Bryant. But the coach at Ballykin with
Middle School, Dr. George Smith, had strict rules that he
expected all his players to follow, including Kobe Balla played
only zone defense and on offense. Dr Smith insisted that
the team passed the ball three times before taking a shot.
He was like Gene Hackman and Hoosiers. Kobe, of course,
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didn't want to pass the ball so much. He didn't
want to pass the ball at all, and he took
Dr Smith's instructions as a slight as a sign of disrespect.
In his mind, he was getting slighted a lot, and
like many great athletes, he used those doubts to motivate himself.
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In a year after Kevin Garnett had gone straight to
the NBA out of high school, Kobe talked with Jeremy
about how long he'd been thinking about turning pro himself.
And what was stunning was Kobe had been thinking about
it seriously since eighth and nine. Friend. I met a
great friend I named Matman called He's always been there
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for me, and I could tell him anything, and I
think that I don't know if people leave me. At first,
he's gonna be just mat Hey, I can do this
and this, and like two minutes, I can do this
or whatever. He was really really gonna believe. And then
when I started to achieve things I was going to do,
and he started believe me. He had no doubt. Whatever
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I said I was gonna do, I was gonna accomplish.
And I came with Damn. I told him I was
going I'm gonna have an option that you can go
to the nba Um just split out of high school
and he kind of looked at me said was doubting.
He said, you know, he said, no, I can't. I
can't doubt you anymore today till my DoD poffy wrong.
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And now they they have come, I'm seeing him. Everybody
started talking about, you know, I have the ability to
go to the especially because Kevin had made the jump
through kind of open doors, and people thought that that's
why I was considering. But I never crossed my mind. Really,
I had it. I had it all on all along.
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He's just beat good puns. He kind of wing Yeah,
you know, actually I'm kind of happy that he didn't
because take a little bit of the pressure off me.
I came back in the middle of the eight great
year and I just played basketball and Mat just tell
you body app would be a pro one day. Basically yeah, yeah,
whatever whatever, and not even going that far. People she say, oh,
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he's not that good now. Yeah, I was about the
FO points. That's because of coach. Don't let me shoot.
That's another stories. It was a matter of fact, there
was a three on three food but up tournament. I
was in middle school and Bella kent with and just
doing on people. But up tourn the man at Mary
in high school and it was me, Matt mccalf and
Day laugh that's lost. No, we went they said, uh
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people were saying that and like uh yeah, you guys
are not gonna win, and like yeah right, you back
just going in this high school. Didn's not gonna win.
It's like such a big deal like that, like it
puts money with your mouth. So good. We went there,
did that, So I come back. I'm like, guys, let's
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start of busing next. Heybody started laughing like yeah right,
you know what I'm saying, Like okay, yeah, Like I'm
in high school scenes and my classmates, people in my
in my green like yeah yeah, yeah whatever, and I'm
starting leading score leading rebounded. It was funny, man, it
was funny. But it's not a doubt. I said that thing.
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He's gonna be in the Vision one college player kid, right, kid,
You're not gonna be Just not a doubt right there.
Damn he said he's gonna be a pro. I even
go out of high school. He went into yeah. Right,
So when one Day came out to other, everybody shut up,
you're on him, get all that massage I'm not saying
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just to be saying. I'm telling him with him every
days that good? Yeah, okay, because it is day now
it's money. He comes up to musical people are starting
to dodge with him. I don't understand why people were
dodging because the dybody wrong. Now the same people are
starting to down you because I listened to Kobe here
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and I can't get over the chip that he carried
on his shoulder back then. He cared so much about
what people thought about him when he was fourteen years old.
You want an insight into the mamba ment Hallardy, that's it.
That's a fourteen year old who doesn't believe he's going
to play in the NBA. He knows it, and he's
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going to do whatever he has to do, work harder,
practice more, shoot more, anything to make his dream a reality.
And he's gonna do it because so few people think
that he can do. I mean who believed in him
then his family obviously, but beyond that, his friend Matt,
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Matt Cooff, Jeremy Treatment and himself. That really was it.
But that was all going to change very very quickly.
What if exposed? All right? That was a good exposure
on the Bat That's next week on I Am Kobe.
(31:06):
I Am Kobe is a production of the Version podcasts
in association with I Heart Radio. This season is written
and hosted by me Mike Sealsky. It's produced by Jacob
Bronstein and directed by Mark Francis. Story editing by Jacob
Bronstein with editorial direction from Scott Waxman, Editing, mixing and
sound design by Mark Francis. Stephen Tompkins is our production assistant.
(31:30):
Our theme music is Create Yourself by Grover Brown featuring
Justin Starling. Find Create Yourself wherever you stream music. Music
supervisor is Scott Velasquez for Fressan Sink. Executive producers are
Mark Francis and Scott Waxman. Join the conversation about I
Am Kobe on social media on Twitter and Instagram. It's
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at Diversion Pods thanks to Orin Rosenbaum, Susan Cannavan and
Jeremy Treatm love our Rise before the Sun. They don't
understand when I say the grind is fun. Never clock
you out even when my work is done. If they're
trying to block me, I might hurt someone through the
blood sweat and says we perseverit, stay tilling it, let
it keep the horses, and then if they don't believe
(32:14):
in themselves, they revert to find that the champon's head.
So I'm telling them, ask my am, this the reason
why my work so damn different to the negatives. I
can listen see me at the time. You can't listen
where I'm amote to play like cash is see. I
pay my dudes because taxes gotta work. I think you
grind ahead of his time. So I'm saying that they
(32:36):
made you. Don't tell them you create yourself the best
Finn watch us by it's that time. You gotta stay
clock then break clock break we create ourselves. Watch me
quick watch Steve create myself. Exact signs up and create yourself.
(32:58):
Say nicey names are create yourself. You gotta learn from
the great minds. No, we ain't lying to tell them
next game time. This time wasn't giving. It was made
the future. Any time I can change better tell them
that I made it back home. As I walked through
the hearts of the fact, I can't from the valley
of the Shadow with death waiting for some spoons, don't
(33:19):
hold your breath, Sat Town, sat Train but I did
it with less I know on them that the being
so there's nothing to guess. Yeah, there's nothing the yes,
it's our times. Tell them we up next. We don't
got any regrets. I did it with my soon hands,
and we never forgets my bit. The reason why my
work so damn different to the negatives. I can't listen
(33:40):
to see me at the time. You can't listen for
where rebuild, reach shape, give me your you got to
risk take do it now. When I'm saying why breaks,
I'm wonna saying that they mayn't. You don't tell them
you create yourself the besh you finn watch us, but
it's by that time you gotta sneak clack then break
(34:01):
black break we create yourself, Watch wee quest me, watch
the create myself exact like that. Signs up and create yourself.
He say, nice, ain't go on create yourself. Gotta line
for the great minds. But we ain't lying telling next
any time. Ye Diversion Podcasts
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