In Amy and T.J.’s latest Yahoo column, Anna asks if she should marry a man she’s known for 8 months and has only met in person twice. Anna believes he is the love of her life, but her big problem: she lives in Oregon and he lives in France. What should she do?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, there're folks. It is Monday, September fifteenth. As we
all know, long distance relationships can be difficult. That's why
Anna wrote into us asking for some help. You see,
she's in a long distance relationship with a guy she
hasn't been seeing that long the distance Oregon to France.
And with that, welcome to this relationship edition of Amy
(00:24):
and TJ. It's the Ask Amy and TJ Edition. We
have a new relationship column that posted today on Yahoo
dot com and the Life section and robes this. She
has some unique issues here, Anna who wrote into us.
But isn't this a thing? Always is a long distance
a something? Isn't it something that sometimes trips up relationships.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Without a doubt? I mean, if you don't have access
to the person you love, it's kind of hard. I
mean you can't physically touch them, you can't hug them.
And yes, in the beginning of a relationship where everything
is rosy and you're putting your best foot forward in
a weird way because you're far apart, you hide any
ugliness you have for sure, because we all have it,
(01:10):
And so you don't actually get to know the real person.
You're not forced to have to like deal with their
bad habits or you know what I mean, Like, it's
almost you get a long lens view and you don't
see all the details.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I wanted to use something you said, How did you
just put it? It stopped me in my tracks when
you said it. You have to have access. What do
you mean by that when you have access to someone?
Because there are people in relationships now who live in
the same town, who might be living in the same
house and don't feel like they have access sometimes to
their significant other. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I mean that being able to physically connect to somebody
is a huge part of a relationship, touch, feel, sex,
all of it. Like that is integral to knowing if
you you are with the person you want to spend
the rest of your life with. If you don't have
physical access to the person you love, I do think
(02:07):
it's hard to get a realistic idea of how successful
you may be. And maybe I'm wrong, call me right,
That's just my thought. Like, I can't imagine being able
to to feel confident in us in our relationship if
I was never with you physically.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Okay, then what's the argument for when people come back
and say, well, you should need that we're in love,
we know how we feel, and we don't have to
be up under each other all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah. Well, you're in love with the idea of someone,
but if you're not physically around them, you don't really
know them in a way. Like it's a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
All right, So now let's get in Dana. Actually, let
me ask you for have you ever done long distance before,
a long distance relationship for an extended period where.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It was I, Yes, I for a for a year
for you, And what it taught me was actually I
didn't follow through with what it taught me that I
was fine far away. That should have been a red flag,
Oh boy, but yes I did. I had a year.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Absence didn't make the heart, girl found it made the
heart realize what it was doing. Correct, Okay?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Or I even asked, all right, let's get back into Anna. Here.
Anna wrote into us with a question for us about
her relation. Like I got t used off the top, folks,
this is not just long distance. The distance they'll have
it right the West coast to France.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's pretty far, okay. Yeah, Like even if she were
in New York or somewhere on the East coast, it
wouldn't feel as far away. But you add another six
hours to the flight that's already going to be six
to eight hours. Now you're talking fourteen to fifteen hours.
That is significant.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Hey, the heart wants what the heart.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Wants, they say, don't they? They do say that. But
this was funny because we are huge. I say funny
because when this question came to us, the first thing
I thought it was ninety day fiance. First thing, because
this happens all the time on one of our favorite
television At.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Least, the scenario as she described sounds awfully familiar. I
don't want to judge this lady. Yeah, ladies five situation.
She's twenty five, and here is our question. She wrote
into us, asking Amy and TJ. I am a twenty
five year old woman and have been dating the love
of my life for eight months. But there's one problem.
(04:29):
He lives in France and I live in Oregon. We've
only met in person twice, once on a two week
road trip here in the US, once when I visited him,
and I don't speak French, so I can't communicate with
his parents. But I'm convinced he's the one. He's willing
to move to the US, but getting a job on
(04:50):
a sponsored visa is almost impossible these days. Should I
apply for the fiance visa? Do I marry him so
he can move here? And hope for the best?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Anna? That last line made me nervous even reading it. Yeah,
hope for the.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Best that you know what? Sometimes what it's people say
sometimes take a chance in life. Take this is a
huge chance. Do it at twenty five because you're young enough.
I am not saying she's gonna this is a mistake.
I would tell my twenty five year old daughter it's
a mistake. But what do you say to a stranger
who was convinced of something. All you can do, as
(05:28):
far as advice goes, right Robes, is just to support
best you can be honest without being mean. We're trying
to respect where she is and how she feels. But
a couple of things in there to say I'm dating
the love of my life and then to say eight
months that's a little quick. And then yes, that last line.
(05:49):
How much do you do anywhere in life where you
make a decision and you hope for the best, you
just gonna throw it to the wind.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Cross my fingers here on this one.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know what it sounded like, cross my finger. Yeah,
this is not across my finger situation.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It's not because and look, the only reason why we
even know a little bit about this process is because
again we watch ninety Day Fiance. But I think, at
the end of the day, look, I'm never going to
tell somebody not to go for love, not to follow
their heart, not to see what happens. Life is short.
All of the above I fully fully agree with. But once,
if you get him over here and he comes over
(06:24):
and say it doesn't work out, does she recognize some
of the things that are associated with that visa? You
are financially responsible for that person, so he wouldn't be
able to work initially, that is true, And so she
has to know that she is taking on financial responsibility
for another human being. And what does that do to
your love? What does that do to your relationship? There
(06:45):
are so many things that affect feelings, and resentment I
know could be a part of it. If he can't work,
and he may think this is so exciting to be
in the United States of America, But then he gets
here and he moves to Oregon, a place he may
have never been before, and he can't work, and he's
stuck inside a house with no friends, no family, no job.
(07:06):
All we've seen all of this play out on that show,
because it's not anything anyone anticipates because they're so in
love and they're so excited about being together and that
meeting at the airport when you pick up your new
fiance with the sign and it's so exciting, and then
it doesn't even take a week before all of a
sudden reality sets in. So I guess I would just
(07:28):
say she really needs I really said she should watch
the show. First of all, she hasn't, and second, she
really needs to ask herself if financially she can take
this on.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
There is a chance she wouldn't get the VS anyway,
because she can't prove she can financially support another grown.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Correct, it's possible.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah, I assume that she's If she's written into us,
then she's done a little research on the matter, so
maybe she knows this is a possibility. I was trying
to desperately find ways to be supportive and encouraging, Like
if we're making a list of pros and hans or
checks and exes, I mean, what would you say to
her supportive Okay, this is what you do. This is
(08:08):
why this could be a good idea, Like where are
the I'm looking for the ways to go go for
it girl like, hell yeah, love only comes along every
so I'm looking for that kind of thing that I
don't have. All I have is caution in talking to her.
I don't want to judge the relationship she has at
all and how she feels. But eight months is very
(08:30):
very fast. Even if that person lived down the street
from you, eight months just isn't a lot of time.
Even if you spend a lot of time with them,
eight months is just not enough time to establish a
foundation in my experience that can lead to a lasting relationship.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yes, I think that's something you consider. And also we
say eight months, and you pointed out if you lived
in the same city that would still be quick. But
think about this. In those eight months, she says in
the letter, they've only met in person twice, once on
a two week trip and once when I visited him.
So she didn't say for how long, but let's say
(09:07):
it was a week, because that's usually how long trips
are when you can get away from work, etc. So
in those eight months, she has physically been with him
for three weeks, and I'm just saying, during those three weeks,
of course you're putting your best foot forward. Of course
you're being the best version of yourself. You haven't had
time to get snippy, or be in a bad mood,
or deal with pressure or stress in a way that could,
(09:31):
at least somehow maybe make things look a little less shiny,
bright and new, and you're getting to see the actual
person in good times and in bad. We need to
know all of those reactions to life. And look, I
have had a relationship where none of that bad stuff
had happened until the actual marriage began, and then it
(09:53):
came with a frenzy, like it was overwhelming, the difference
between dating and marriage. It's like if you haven't had
a fight, that's another thing. You know, some people you
could never have a fight and get married and not
know what it's like to argue with the person. I've
had that experience, and then once you get married, you're like, wait,
what is happening? What? I don't know how to handle this.
(10:16):
We've never fought before, and all of a sudden, now
all we're doing is fighting because it was almost as
if it and I just wonder if they've had a fight,
if they've had a disagreement, if they've been emotional around
each other, because those are all really important things to
know before you get engaged. And granted, if she's getting
engaged to him, obviously she doesn't have to marry him.
But three months is a ticking time bomb. That is
(10:39):
so that's so much pressure though, Like you have three
months to decide if you want to marry this person.
That is so much pressure. I feel for anyone who's
in this position, if you fall in love with somebody
who lives in another country, because that is so much pressure.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Let me ask it this way, where would you ever
make an argument that love is all you? Can you
ever say to someone who is so in love that say, hey,
the rest of it is just gonna work itself out.
If you love this person, you have got to go
for it, take your chance.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I do believe that to an extent, and I do
believe the way that works is if both people truly
feel that way, and both people are prepared to love
through pain and to love through difficulty, and have the
disposition and willingness to love somebody even when it's hard.
It's very easy to love somebody when everything's fun and
new and exciting. Yes, that feeling, that rush, it's incredible.
(11:35):
But I think a lot of experts will tell you,
and I feel like I have come to this belief
as I have gone through many relationships, that that isn't
really love. That initial rush, that initial joy, that initial
ecstasy is just that. It's a feeling of lust, of attractiveness,
(11:56):
of excitement. But love comes when it's hard. Love is,
and you decide love is. I think love is a
very different thing than that first year of excitement and newness.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You gotta start on somewhere, you do.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I agree, and thank god she has that, because plenty
of people have been in relationships where you never got that,
you never had that lightning bulk.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You just nailed it for me, you nailed Why I
can encourage this, young lady is because if you have
found something that that's surreal and that's special and makes
you feel this good, then relish that in that moment
for however you can. That is a big deal. A
lot of people end up dating, start and never necessarily
get that full effect. Maybe it's fine, but if she's
(12:36):
having that experience, there you go and.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There's no better feeling in the world like it is.
And look, I could have easily gone through life and
never actually known what it felt like where you would
do anything to be with somebody. And that is such
a beautiful thing to feel, that willingness to sacrifice, that
willingness to say I will do this, I will take
this on because I so desperately want to breathe the
(12:58):
same air as you. That is such a beautiful feeling.
And I hear you like the she just has to
be prepared for the worst case scenario and just have
a have a plan and have a way forward. But
it sounds like she's head over heels.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What's the thing we all we preach this on our
podcasts that you don't and people always expect the worst?
Right do you expect the bad thing is going to happen?
And we tell people all the time, how what a
change in your life and attitude if you expect the
best to happen. What if she didn't expect the worst,
(13:35):
Maybe she didn't expect a divorce or it to go
badly for them to break up. What if we say, hey,
why don't we just why don't we say this is
going to go well?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It very well could, and it's exciting that she's met
somebody who she feels that strongly about.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But stay with her us here, folks, because truth of
the matter is, we don't feel good about this, and
we're going to explain why, and gives some pretty speci
pacific examples from our ninety day Fiance watching that if
this young lady watch that show, she might feel differently
(14:09):
about mister French.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ.
This is our Ask Amy and TJ episode for the
week where we have Anna writing to us. She is
madly in love. She met the love of her life.
The problem is he lives in France and she lives
(14:34):
in Oregon, and adding to that, she doesn't speak French
at all, so she cannot communicate with any member of
his family. And I'm assuming he can speak English pretty well,
so they at least can communicate back and forth. But
she wants to know should she apply for a fiance
visa to bring him here to the United States so
they can live happily.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Ever after again, eight months saveman dating in the total
of it looks.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
For three weeks together physically, and I'm sure you know
they FaceTime every day and all of that. But she's
twenty five. That is still pretty dang young.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We don't have a lot of details. I would have
questions about her dating history. How old is he, what
does he do for a living? How can he just
up and move? What is his skill? What do her
family and friends say about all this? I would like
to ask all those details. But Robes, this was we say,
it's personal to us. That's a weird way to put it,
but if anybody listens to us, it's been clear. We
(15:33):
don't watch a lot of TV shows, but we watch
a lot of reality dating shows. In particular, we do,
and that have to do with long term marriage, not
just Love Island or Hot for TV whatever. Yeah, we
actually watch where marriage is the end goal, married at
first sight and certainly ninety day fiance. It's called that, Robes,
and I should know because once you get a fiance visa,
(15:58):
that person that is your fiancee, they coming from somewhere else,
hits the ground in the United States. Like you just said,
the clock is ticking, yes, And we have seen this
play out so poorly, so badly. We have seen exact
scenarios where people have not been dating long and have
spent over years only a couple weeks together and say
(16:22):
they are madly in love. And why do I think
it's usually a guy is the one who wants to
come over.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Why am I thinking that? And a lot of them
that is the case, because we see a lot of
women and they've met met, But there's also a plenty
of men who have gone and met women who have
been anywhere from Eastern Europe to Asia. We've seen from
all over the world, a lot less European more other countries.
But I even told Anna in my advice to her
(16:53):
on the column this week, I said, you should try
watching ninety Day Fiance and stop watching rom coms. And
I say that, and I've talked about this before, but
I do think and I was absolutely a part of
this where we really get we really do get this,
this fairy tale fantasy planted in our heads. I can
speak for myself that you think, especially when you're younger,
(17:16):
that you're going to meet the man of your dreams,
and not that you think everything's going to be perfect,
but you think that this is going to be a
He's going to be there to be my prince and
be my night and shining armor and he's going to
rescue me from whatever life I'm living in right now,
and we're going to just be madly in love and
have kids and just be that Instagram family that I
(17:39):
see everyone else have and I want that too, And
this is how I get it, and I get that
that we're all sold that story. But when you watch
ninety dight Fiance, and I laugh because it's kind of
amazing and how tough it is for everybody, because relationships
are already tough, but now you add someone else's culture,
someone else's lonely or feeling ostracized from their family, someone
(18:02):
feels like they're not able to contribute. Someone feels like
they're doing all the work, and they're annoyed that they
basically now have someone they have to watch out for
and take care of and manage because they don't have
a way or know how to get around this country. So, yeah,
we've seen it all. Plan it's hard. It's really, really
really hard.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
More times than not, we have seen disasters with these relationships,
and it often does later on, it's somebody there, an
accusation comes, He's been using me the whole time. He
was just trying to get to the United States. I
remember one particular couple that everybody didn't seem to really like.
This woman she was from the South, brother from Africa.
(18:41):
I'm not going to use all their name. Hey, they've
been out there, but I'm not trying to single them out.
But I'm saying we saw a disaster with those two
into where she was desperate to get him over here,
and they hadn't been together, spent that much time together,
but they've been together years even anyway, I'm using this
example and one I remember to where he did he
(19:02):
run from her here in the US or something like
he went bonkers.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It went sideways and they were married for seven years,
I believe, and we're back and forth long distance. When
he finally came over, and as soon as he came over,
it was pretty much a disaster from the story.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Is that, right? They got married and then he couldn't
come over for a while, right, and when he finally did.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Could put exactly And look, that doesn't necessarily have to
be the case, but I just think that, Look, as
much as I love love there, there does have to
be some practicality and some expectations, some realistic expectations about
what will happen. And what could happen. But I you know,
I love I love the idea of going for yes,
(19:44):
going for broke, and following your heart and giving it
a try. I just would if this from my daughter,
obviously I would feel the same as you. I would
really try to discourage her. But I also at the
same time would say, just right out a list of
pros and co right, show me that you've got to
plan financially to see this through. Yeah, and if you've
(20:06):
really thought it through and you've been really smart about it,
your feelings are there, right, But if you just can
that logic side of your brain that I know I
don't use often sometimes, But if you can put it
down on paper and really study it and just know
what you're getting into, and if you go into it
with your eyes wide open and you follow your hearts,
it'd be amazing if it all worked out. And if
it doesn't, at least you're prepared. You actually know that
(20:29):
you made a decision based on a lot of thought
and not just a lot of feeling. You need both.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But that's a good that's again, that's more good advice
and seeing what happens. I hate to discourage someone for
going for a relationship that they want, but you have
to be practical about it and be prepared. Okay, this
might not work out. We make a decision. How many
decisions do you make every single day? And you know
this might not work out? Yeah, and you do it anyway,
(20:56):
and it's hard. And again I'm talking to Anna because
this woman is not mine child, But it would be
very hard to sit by and watch someone that you
love do something that you do.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Think.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Let's okay, can we haven't even said this? It sounds nuts. Yeah, wait,
you've you've you've seen him for three weeks in your
life and you've only known him for eight months. And
he lives in France. He might even live on the
east side of France. He might be way even farther
away if possible.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So yeah, no one said Paris, so we don't even
know how to get there.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He would have said Paris.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
She would have said Paris, and I would have moved there, Like, yeah,
it was Oregon or Paris. I'm going with Paris.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Oregon. It's lovely. It is lovely, lovely part of the country,
a little dreary at times, but Anna, good luck to you.
This is one out of all we've done. I think
I want to talk to her more than anybody else
that's written in. I have so many questions.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I want to know how they met, that's I think.
And I do want to know how old he is.
I do want to know he does what he does
for a living. You know, it's funny one of the
ninety Days we've been watching and we've been kind of
off our watching habits recently, but the woman was from
Paris and he was from New Hampshire and we're in
the middle of it right now. Things are rocky for
all of the reasons why we just mentioned. She feels
(22:12):
like she's alone, she feels ostracized. She has a child
with him too, so there is another tie that binds.
But she is definitely feeling like why am I here
in this state of New Hampshire when I could be
in Paris and his kids can't stand her, and it's
just there's so many things that can go on, so
at least in twenty five it sounds like hopefully starting
(22:33):
a new There isn't and there aren't children involved yet,
So you know what, you're young, You're in love, as
long as you try to make sure you've got your
financial your financial business in order, then yeah, I mean,
if there was ever a time to go for it.
How they meet, I don't know how they.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Be because let me remind that a big part of
ninety de fiance oftentimes is their meeting online. Right they
are specifically going to websites fine foreigners to date. What's
that the case? Because somebody's from Paris, somebody's from Oregon
or France, excuse me that she happened to travel there
and they bumped into each other. They bump into each
(23:12):
other in the United States. Anybody from France heading over.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
To them, It's likely unlikely.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So that's something to keep in mind. So my last
advice to her watch ninety Day Fiance. You might recognize
some parallels in there to your own relationship. There is
a ninety Day Fiance version a spinoff about the Caribbean
or something or the island, where it specifically focuses on
guys who work at resorts who are actually praying on
(23:41):
women in other countries. We've seen that, So I encourage
Anna watch that show. Keep that heart as open as
you can, but keep that mind as open as well.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Exactly, And I actually am really looking forward to the
comments that we hope some of you will leave, because
I imagine there are a lot of people who have
a very similar situation or have walked down that road,
who would be able to say, hey, here are the trappings,
here's what to avoid, here's what to do, here's what
not to do. I'm actually really looking forward to reading
(24:15):
the comments on this one. But if you haven't read
the article, please we encourage you head over to yahoo
dot com Live section, click on ask Amy and TJ
and you can read away and again, please please, please,
if you have some thoughts, if you have some advice,
and if you've actually gone down this road before, we
would love to hear from you. So thank you so
much for listening to this episode of Amy and TJ.
(24:37):
I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ Holmes. Have a great day, everybody,
Hey, there're folks. It is Monday, September fifteenth. As we
all know, long distance relationships can be difficult. That's why
Anna wrote into us asking for some help. You see,
she's in a long distance relationship with a guy she
hasn't been seeing that long the distance Oregon to France.
And with that, welcome to this relationship edition of Amy
(00:24):
and TJ. It's the Ask Amy and TJ Edition. We
have a new relationship column that posted today on Yahoo
dot com and the Life section and robes this. She
has some unique issues here, Anna who wrote into us.
But isn't this a thing? Always is a long distance
a something? Isn't it something that sometimes trips up relationships.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Without a doubt? I mean, if you don't have access
to the person you love, it's kind of hard. I
mean you can't physically touch them, you can't hug them.
And yes, in the beginning of a relationship where everything
is rosy and you're putting your best foot forward in
a weird way because you're far apart, you hide any
ugliness you have for sure, because we all have it,
(01:10):
And so you don't actually get to know the real person.
You're not forced to have to like deal with their
bad habits or you know what I mean, Like, it's
almost you get a long lens view and you don't
see all the details.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I wanted to use something you said, How did you
just put it? It stopped me in my tracks when
you said it. You have to have access. What do
you mean by that when you have access to someone?
Because there are people in relationships now who live in
the same town, who might be living in the same
house and don't feel like they have access sometimes to
their significant other. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I mean that being able to physically connect to somebody
is a huge part of a relationship, touch, feel, sex,
all of it. Like that is integral to knowing if
you you are with the person you want to spend
the rest of your life with. If you don't have
physical access to the person you love, I do think
(02:07):
it's hard to get a realistic idea of how successful
you may be. And maybe I'm wrong, call me right,
That's just my thought. Like, I can't imagine being able
to to feel confident in us in our relationship if
I was never with you physically.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Okay, then what's the argument for when people come back
and say, well, you should need that we're in love,
we know how we feel, and we don't have to
be up under each other all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah. Well, you're in love with the idea of someone,
but if you're not physically around them, you don't really
know them in a way. Like it's a huge difference.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
All right, So now let's get in Dana. Actually, let
me ask you for have you ever done long distance before,
a long distance relationship for an extended period where.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It was I, Yes, I for a for a year
for you, And what it taught me was actually I
didn't follow through with what it taught me that I
was fine far away. That should have been a red flag,
Oh boy, but yes I did. I had a year.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Absence didn't make the heart, girl found it made the
heart realize what it was doing. Correct, Okay?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Or I even asked, all right, let's get back into Anna. Here.
Anna wrote into us with a question for us about
her relation. Like I got t used off the top, folks,
this is not just long distance. The distance they'll have
it right the West coast to France.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's pretty far, okay. Yeah, Like even if she were
in New York or somewhere on the East coast, it
wouldn't feel as far away. But you add another six
hours to the flight that's already going to be six
to eight hours. Now you're talking fourteen to fifteen hours.
That is significant.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Hey, the heart wants what the heart.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Wants, they say, don't they? They do say that. But
this was funny because we are huge. I say funny
because when this question came to us, the first thing
I thought it was ninety day fiance. First thing, because
this happens all the time on one of our favorite
television At.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Least, the scenario as she described sounds awfully familiar. I
don't want to judge this lady. Yeah, ladies five situation.
She's twenty five, and here is our question. She wrote
into us, asking Amy and TJ. I am a twenty
five year old woman and have been dating the love
of my life for eight months. But there's one problem.
(04:29):
He lives in France and I live in Oregon. We've
only met in person twice, once on a two week
road trip here in the US, once when I visited him,
and I don't speak French, so I can't communicate with
his parents. But I'm convinced he's the one. He's willing
to move to the US, but getting a job on
(04:50):
a sponsored visa is almost impossible these days. Should I
apply for the fiance visa? Do I marry him so
he can move here? And hope for the best?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Anna? That last line made me nervous even reading it. Yeah,
hope for the.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Best that you know what? Sometimes what it's people say
sometimes take a chance in life. Take this is a
huge chance. Do it at twenty five because you're young enough.
I am not saying she's gonna this is a mistake.
I would tell my twenty five year old daughter it's
a mistake. But what do you say to a stranger
who was convinced of something. All you can do, as
(05:28):
far as advice goes, right Robes, is just to support
best you can be honest without being mean. We're trying
to respect where she is and how she feels. But
a couple of things in there to say I'm dating
the love of my life and then to say eight
months that's a little quick. And then yes, that last line.
(05:49):
How much do you do anywhere in life where you
make a decision and you hope for the best, you
just gonna throw it to the wind.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Cross my fingers here on this one.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
You know what it sounded like, cross my finger. Yeah,
this is not across my finger situation.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
It's not because and look, the only reason why we
even know a little bit about this process is because
again we watch ninety Day Fiance. But I think, at
the end of the day, look, I'm never going to
tell somebody not to go for love, not to follow
their heart, not to see what happens. Life is short.
All of the above I fully fully agree with. But once,
if you get him over here and he comes over
(06:24):
and say it doesn't work out, does she recognize some
of the things that are associated with that visa? You
are financially responsible for that person, so he wouldn't be
able to work initially, that is true, And so she
has to know that she is taking on financial responsibility
for another human being. And what does that do to
your love? What does that do to your relationship? There
(06:45):
are so many things that affect feelings, and resentment I
know could be a part of it. If he can't work,
and he may think this is so exciting to be
in the United States of America, But then he gets
here and he moves to Oregon, a place he may
have never been before, and he can't work, and he's
stuck inside a house with no friends, no family, no job.
(07:06):
All we've seen all of this play out on that show,
because it's not anything anyone anticipates because they're so in
love and they're so excited about being together and that
meeting at the airport when you pick up your new
fiance with the sign and it's so exciting, and then
it doesn't even take a week before all of a
sudden reality sets in. So I guess I would just
(07:28):
say she really needs I really said she should watch
the show. First of all, she hasn't, and second, she
really needs to ask herself if financially she can take
this on.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
There is a chance she wouldn't get the VS anyway,
because she can't prove she can financially support another grown.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Correct, it's possible.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah, I assume that she's If she's written into us,
then she's done a little research on the matter, so
maybe she knows this is a possibility. I was trying
to desperately find ways to be supportive and encouraging, Like
if we're making a list of pros and hans or
checks and exes, I mean, what would you say to
her supportive Okay, this is what you do. This is
(08:08):
why this could be a good idea, Like where are
the I'm looking for the ways to go go for
it girl like, hell yeah, love only comes along every
so I'm looking for that kind of thing that I
don't have. All I have is caution in talking to her.
I don't want to judge the relationship she has at
all and how she feels. But eight months is very
(08:30):
very fast. Even if that person lived down the street
from you, eight months just isn't a lot of time.
Even if you spend a lot of time with them,
eight months is just not enough time to establish a
foundation in my experience that can lead to a lasting relationship.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yes, I think that's something you consider. And also we
say eight months, and you pointed out if you lived
in the same city that would still be quick. But
think about this. In those eight months, she says in
the letter, they've only met in person twice, once on
a two week trip and once when I visited him.
So she didn't say for how long, but let's say
(09:07):
it was a week, because that's usually how long trips
are when you can get away from work, etc. So
in those eight months, she has physically been with him
for three weeks, and I'm just saying, during those three weeks,
of course you're putting your best foot forward. Of course
you're being the best version of yourself. You haven't had
time to get snippy, or be in a bad mood,
or deal with pressure or stress in a way that could,
(09:31):
at least somehow maybe make things look a little less shiny,
bright and new, and you're getting to see the actual
person in good times and in bad. We need to
know all of those reactions to life. And look, I
have had a relationship where none of that bad stuff
had happened until the actual marriage began, and then it
(09:53):
came with a frenzy, like it was overwhelming, the difference
between dating and marriage. It's like if you haven't had
a fight, that's another thing. You know, some people you
could never have a fight and get married and not
know what it's like to argue with the person. I've
had that experience, and then once you get married, you're like, wait,
what is happening? What? I don't know how to handle this.
(10:16):
We've never fought before, and all of a sudden, now
all we're doing is fighting because it was almost as
if it and I just wonder if they've had a fight,
if they've had a disagreement, if they've been emotional around
each other, because those are all really important things to
know before you get engaged. And granted, if she's getting
engaged to him, obviously she doesn't have to marry him.
But three months is a ticking time bomb. That is
(10:39):
so that's so much pressure though, Like you have three
months to decide if you want to marry this person.
That is so much pressure. I feel for anyone who's
in this position, if you fall in love with somebody
who lives in another country, because that is so much pressure.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Let me ask it this way, where would you ever
make an argument that love is all you? Can you
ever say to someone who is so in love that say, hey,
the rest of it is just gonna work itself out.
If you love this person, you have got to go
for it, take your chance.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I do believe that to an extent, and I do
believe the way that works is if both people truly
feel that way, and both people are prepared to love
through pain and to love through difficulty, and have the
disposition and willingness to love somebody even when it's hard.
It's very easy to love somebody when everything's fun and
new and exciting. Yes, that feeling, that rush, it's incredible.
(11:35):
But I think a lot of experts will tell you,
and I feel like I have come to this belief
as I have gone through many relationships, that that isn't
really love. That initial rush, that initial joy, that initial
ecstasy is just that. It's a feeling of lust, of attractiveness,
(11:56):
of excitement. But love comes when it's hard. Love is,
and you decide love is. I think love is a
very different thing than that first year of excitement and newness.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
You gotta start on somewhere, you do.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I agree, and thank god she has that, because plenty
of people have been in relationships where you never got that,
you never had that lightning bulk.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You just nailed it for me, you nailed Why I
can encourage this, young lady is because if you have
found something that that's surreal and that's special and makes
you feel this good, then relish that in that moment
for however you can. That is a big deal. A
lot of people end up dating, start and never necessarily
get that full effect. Maybe it's fine, but if she's
(12:36):
having that experience, there you go and.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There's no better feeling in the world like it is.
And look, I could have easily gone through life and
never actually known what it felt like where you would
do anything to be with somebody. And that is such
a beautiful thing to feel, that willingness to sacrifice, that
willingness to say I will do this, I will take
this on because I so desperately want to breathe the
(12:58):
same air as you. That is such a beautiful feeling.
And I hear you like the she just has to
be prepared for the worst case scenario and just have
a have a plan and have a way forward. But
it sounds like she's head over heels.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What's the thing we all we preach this on our
podcasts that you don't and people always expect the worst?
Right do you expect the bad thing is going to happen?
And we tell people all the time, how what a
change in your life and attitude if you expect the
best to happen. What if she didn't expect the worst,
(13:35):
Maybe she didn't expect a divorce or it to go
badly for them to break up. What if we say, hey,
why don't we just why don't we say this is
going to go well?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It very well could, and it's exciting that she's met
somebody who she feels that strongly about.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
But stay with her us here, folks, because truth of
the matter is, we don't feel good about this, and
we're going to explain why, and gives some pretty speci
pacific examples from our ninety day Fiance watching that if
this young lady watch that show, she might feel differently
(14:09):
about mister French.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
And welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ.
This is our Ask Amy and TJ episode for the
week where we have Anna writing to us. She is
madly in love. She met the love of her life.
The problem is he lives in France and she lives
(14:34):
in Oregon, and adding to that, she doesn't speak French
at all, so she cannot communicate with any member of
his family. And I'm assuming he can speak English pretty well,
so they at least can communicate back and forth. But
she wants to know should she apply for a fiance
visa to bring him here to the United States so
they can live happily.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Ever after again, eight months saveman dating in the total
of it looks.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
For three weeks together physically, and I'm sure you know
they FaceTime every day and all of that. But she's
twenty five. That is still pretty dang young.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
We don't have a lot of details. I would have
questions about her dating history. How old is he, what
does he do for a living? How can he just
up and move? What is his skill? What do her
family and friends say about all this? I would like
to ask all those details. But Robes, this was we say,
it's personal to us. That's a weird way to put it,
but if anybody listens to us, it's been clear. We
(15:33):
don't watch a lot of TV shows, but we watch
a lot of reality dating shows. In particular, we do,
and that have to do with long term marriage, not
just Love Island or Hot for TV whatever. Yeah, we
actually watch where marriage is the end goal, married at
first sight and certainly ninety day fiance. It's called that, Robes,
and I should know because once you get a fiance visa,
(15:58):
that person that is your fiancee, they coming from somewhere else,
hits the ground in the United States. Like you just said,
the clock is ticking, yes, And we have seen this
play out so poorly, so badly. We have seen exact
scenarios where people have not been dating long and have
spent over years only a couple weeks together and say
(16:22):
they are madly in love. And why do I think
it's usually a guy is the one who wants to
come over.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Why am I thinking that? And a lot of them
that is the case, because we see a lot of
women and they've met met, But there's also a plenty
of men who have gone and met women who have
been anywhere from Eastern Europe to Asia. We've seen from
all over the world, a lot less European more other countries.
But I even told Anna in my advice to her
(16:53):
on the column this week, I said, you should try
watching ninety Day Fiance and stop watching rom coms. And
I say that, and I've talked about this before, but
I do think and I was absolutely a part of
this where we really get we really do get this,
this fairy tale fantasy planted in our heads. I can
speak for myself that you think, especially when you're younger,
(17:16):
that you're going to meet the man of your dreams,
and not that you think everything's going to be perfect,
but you think that this is going to be a
He's going to be there to be my prince and
be my night and shining armor and he's going to
rescue me from whatever life I'm living in right now,
and we're going to just be madly in love and
have kids and just be that Instagram family that I
(17:39):
see everyone else have and I want that too, And
this is how I get it, and I get that
that we're all sold that story. But when you watch
ninety dight Fiance, and I laugh because it's kind of
amazing and how tough it is for everybody, because relationships
are already tough, but now you add someone else's culture,
someone else's lonely or feeling ostracized from their family, someone
(18:02):
feels like they're not able to contribute. Someone feels like
they're doing all the work, and they're annoyed that they
basically now have someone they have to watch out for
and take care of and manage because they don't have
a way or know how to get around this country. So, yeah,
we've seen it all. Plan it's hard. It's really, really
really hard.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
More times than not, we have seen disasters with these relationships,
and it often does later on, it's somebody there, an
accusation comes, He's been using me the whole time. He
was just trying to get to the United States. I
remember one particular couple that everybody didn't seem to really like.
This woman she was from the South, brother from Africa.
(18:41):
I'm not going to use all their name. Hey, they've
been out there, but I'm not trying to single them out.
But I'm saying we saw a disaster with those two
into where she was desperate to get him over here,
and they hadn't been together, spent that much time together,
but they've been together years even anyway, I'm using this
example and one I remember to where he did he
(19:02):
run from her here in the US or something like
he went bonkers.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It went sideways and they were married for seven years,
I believe, and we're back and forth long distance. When
he finally came over, and as soon as he came over,
it was pretty much a disaster from the story.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Is that, right? They got married and then he couldn't
come over for a while, right, and when he finally did.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Could put exactly And look, that doesn't necessarily have to
be the case, but I just think that, Look, as
much as I love love there, there does have to
be some practicality and some expectations, some realistic expectations about
what will happen. And what could happen. But I you know,
I love I love the idea of going for yes,
(19:44):
going for broke, and following your heart and giving it
a try. I just would if this from my daughter,
obviously I would feel the same as you. I would
really try to discourage her. But I also at the
same time would say, just right out a list of
pros and co right, show me that you've got to
plan financially to see this through. Yeah, and if you've
(20:06):
really thought it through and you've been really smart about it,
your feelings are there, right, But if you just can
that logic side of your brain that I know I
don't use often sometimes, But if you can put it
down on paper and really study it and just know
what you're getting into, and if you go into it
with your eyes wide open and you follow your hearts,
it'd be amazing if it all worked out. And if
it doesn't, at least you're prepared. You actually know that
(20:29):
you made a decision based on a lot of thought
and not just a lot of feeling. You need both.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
But that's a good that's again, that's more good advice
and seeing what happens. I hate to discourage someone for
going for a relationship that they want, but you have
to be practical about it and be prepared. Okay, this
might not work out. We make a decision. How many
decisions do you make every single day? And you know
this might not work out? Yeah, and you do it anyway,
(20:56):
and it's hard. And again I'm talking to Anna because
this woman is not mine child, But it would be
very hard to sit by and watch someone that you
love do something that you do.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Think.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Let's okay, can we haven't even said this? It sounds nuts. Yeah, wait,
you've you've you've seen him for three weeks in your
life and you've only known him for eight months. And
he lives in France. He might even live on the
east side of France. He might be way even farther
away if possible.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So yeah, no one said Paris, so we don't even
know how to get there.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
He would have said Paris.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
She would have said Paris, and I would have moved there, Like, yeah,
it was Oregon or Paris. I'm going with Paris.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Oregon. It's lovely. It is lovely, lovely part of the country,
a little dreary at times, but Anna, good luck to you.
This is one out of all we've done. I think
I want to talk to her more than anybody else
that's written in. I have so many questions.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I want to know how they met, that's I think.
And I do want to know how old he is.
I do want to know he does what he does
for a living. You know, it's funny one of the
ninety Days we've been watching and we've been kind of
off our watching habits recently, but the woman was from
Paris and he was from New Hampshire and we're in
the middle of it right now. Things are rocky for
all of the reasons why we just mentioned. She feels
(22:12):
like she's alone, she feels ostracized. She has a child
with him too, so there is another tie that binds.
But she is definitely feeling like why am I here
in this state of New Hampshire when I could be
in Paris and his kids can't stand her, and it's
just there's so many things that can go on, so
at least in twenty five it sounds like hopefully starting
(22:33):
a new There isn't and there aren't children involved yet,
So you know what, you're young, You're in love, as
long as you try to make sure you've got your
financial your financial business in order, then yeah, I mean,
if there was ever a time to go for it.
How they meet, I don't know how they.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Be because let me remind that a big part of
ninety de fiance oftentimes is their meeting online. Right they
are specifically going to websites fine foreigners to date. What's
that the case? Because somebody's from Paris, somebody's from Oregon
or France, excuse me that she happened to travel there
and they bumped into each other. They bump into each
(23:12):
other in the United States. Anybody from France heading over.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
To them, It's likely unlikely.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
So that's something to keep in mind. So my last
advice to her watch ninety Day Fiance. You might recognize
some parallels in there to your own relationship. There is
a ninety Day Fiance version a spinoff about the Caribbean
or something or the island, where it specifically focuses on
guys who work at resorts who are actually praying on
(23:41):
women in other countries. We've seen that, So I encourage
Anna watch that show. Keep that heart as open as
you can, but keep that mind as open as well.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Exactly, And I actually am really looking forward to the
comments that we hope some of you will leave, because
I imagine there are a lot of people who have
a very similar situation or have walked down that road,
who would be able to say, hey, here are the trappings,
here's what to avoid, here's what to do, here's what
not to do. I'm actually really looking forward to reading
(24:15):
the comments on this one. But if you haven't read
the article, please we encourage you head over to yahoo
dot com Live section, click on ask Amy and TJ
and you can read away and again, please please, please,
if you have some thoughts, if you have some advice,
and if you've actually gone down this road before, we
would love to hear from you. So thank you so
much for listening to this episode of Amy and TJ.
(24:37):
I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ Holmes. Have a great day, everybody,
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Amy Robach
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