May 21, 2025 • 22 mins
Amy & TJ are breaking down all the latest celebrity divorce headlines and messy details.
They're giving their thoughts on reinventing yourself after divorce, how long should you date before you get engaged if you're a widow, and if you should or shouldn't sell your house after the marriage falls apart.
Plus, Pitch-Perfect celeb has a LOT to say about their past marriages and why they are dating completely differently this time around!
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey, the folks, welcome to I Do Part two. If
you got love right the first time around, this ain't
the show for you. On TJ Holmes alongside my friend,
my partner, my podcast co host Amy Roboch. That was
also impersonal.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Let me, I'm very clinical.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It did with my person, my partner, my spouse, my
what's the right.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Way to love of my life?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Love my life? There it is that you had to
feed me that line is a little disturbed.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think you probably avoided saying it because it's overused
all the time on all the reality shows we watch,
and you roll your eyes when people call each other
the love of their lives. Then we look up and
two months later they're so I think you probably tried
not to use that.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah. And so we have had a chance to come
hop onto I Do Part two in a little bit,
and there's always relationship news. So we're going to discuss
some relationship news, some very high profile relationship news, and
we're going to get into a couple of questions, one
of them having to be what do you do post divorce?
Is it important for you to rebrand yourself? We're also
going to get into this question, is it good to
(01:20):
throw a divorce party, a divorce celebration, or is that
in bad taste. There's a lot of celebrities who are
going through this right now. The first Dree Kimsley. Let's
start with her. A lot of people know and I
would say love, but she has some issues right now
with irregilable differences. Of course, she's from the Beverly Hills housewife.
She's divorcing her husband PK is his name after A PK.
(01:43):
Kimsley after ten years of marriage. Now Robes. We hear
about a divorce, we hear about a breakup, but so
much of the conversation around this one has to do
with the fact that they actually made it to ten
years of marriage.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And the reason why that's significant. It varies from state
to state, but anyone who's been divorce knows sometimes folks
will be strategic and plan their divorces for when they
might have the most to gain and maybe the.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Least to lose.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You could look at it two different ways, and who
knows that this is the case. But a lot of
people are wondering if Deret waited for those ten years,
because in the state of California, that means you've been
in a what is it called a long.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Term marriage New Jersey? I know has that here?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Again different from state to state, but once you get
branded as a long term marriage, you are entitled to
fifty percent.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And so who.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Knows what the state of their finances actually is and
whether or not that's even true. But a lot of
people are saying, hmmm, I wonder if she was waiting
specifically so that she could get fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm sure it just happened to work out that way.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Surely she might even be like, hell, yeah, I did
you know?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Who knows?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I've heard I've heard women say yeah, I stuck with
it because I knew that I was. I had done
enough where I felt like this was the way that
made the most sense for me. So who knows what
it is? But another thing people are talking about is
that PK I think he got photographed one day before
the divorce filing kissing and holding hands with a former
(03:15):
Amazing Race contestant. So if you're a big reality show person,
you might know who is it, Shannel wall Is. So
he was out kissing, holding our hands. It wasn't like
he was hiding it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
What we're saying is, we're not holding out hope for
a reconciliation.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I don't think that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They do have two kids, Jaggers eleven, Phoenix is nine,
and so PK has filed for joint custody.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
We hope the best for them. Divorce is hard, and
it's really hard in the public eye. So we wish
them both the best.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
See when we say we wish them the best, oftentimes
that doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship continues. Sometimes what's best,
and we've learned that what's best is for them to
go their separate ways. Now, another divorce that's taking place
now is from a guy. Look, I love Steve Guttenberg
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Oh yeah, Three Men and a baby.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
But before that police Academy. Wasn't he in the one
with the what was the robot? What was the name
of it? Short Circuit? Is it short Short Circuit? You
remember that movie? Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I have actually seen Steve Gutenberg running in Central
Park before he was running alone. He was actually I've
only seen him one time running in New York, but
I was like, oh my god, that was Steve. Good.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
You're probably going to see him unning alone again if
you see him because he is announced now he is
also file from divorce of his wife of six years
now six years of a shorter time. This is his
second marriage. Been there, done that call with Steve if
you want to talk, but his wife, Emily Smith, there
is a significant age gap.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Did we look?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Is Steve sixty six six and we believe Emily Smith
is thirty.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Five, so somewhere around thirty years, you know, does that
fla into it?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I mean, it absolutely could have.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
They're saying irreconcilable differences again, and he's already he's already
agreed to pay sposal support to Smith. So they did
have a prenup, which I think will help expedite this
and hopefully make it a little bit less messy. Is
certainly in the public eye. It's never fun to have
people wanting to know.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
All the details.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So if you had a pre up, hopefully that will
make things a much smoother process for both of them.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And again, we don't we hate to speculate about somebody
a specific relationship, have no idea what happened and why
with these two, But anytime we've talked about this, certainly
recently with with several couples of relationships where there's a
big age difference, it does come into play. You could
love somebody all day long, but you have different interests,
(05:25):
you have different bedtimes, even you have different things you wanted.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Different activity levels, all of that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And that can come into play in a relationship. So
hopefully both of those get through that and look, like
we said, Robes, we've been there, we have done that,
and we know you can come out better on the other.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So those were yes, one hundred percent. Those are some
recent splitting up headlines, but there are some moving on
headlines from people who have just recently announced their divorces,
among them Jessica Simpson. She it was right at the
beginning of the year, correct that she announced that she
and her well now ex husband Eric Johnson were splitting,
(06:00):
and they had been together for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But I love this part of the story.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So if anyone remembers Jessica Simpson's kind of been known
as despite the fact that she is a ridiculously successful
business woman.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh yeah, is a billionaire. I think she's a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So I actually stopped myself, but I was like, I'm
pretty sure she's in that billionaire league where you know,
she's got the clothing line and everything. She's really expanded
her empire from beyond music, even though she is making
new music. But she was kind of known as, unfortunately
for her, a dumb blonde, all because of that reality
show she did with Nick Lache. Remember when she asked
if Tuna was Chicken of the sea?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
She was like, is it chicken?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And just because of that one perhaps maybe even silly
comment she made, I don't think she's been able to shake,
or maybe she at least feels like she hasn't been
able to shake that dumb blonde, you know, the thing
that people assigned to someone, especially if you just make
one mistake. So anyway, I love this. She is now
saying that she wants to go back to school. It's
(07:02):
something she's had a dream of her entire life since
her twenties, and now she wants to go back to
school and expand her education.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I think that's great. I would hate for her motivation
to be to prove something to anybody other than herself.
If she wants to do that, that's fine. I know
it can look good, and I know there's a pr
element to everything when it comes to folks who are
in the public eye. But I hope she does this
for her. Who gives a damn when anybody thinks about you.
If this is what she wants to do.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I hope she does it, and I think it is
a cool thing. I think, you know, especially if so
much of your life has been wrapped up in another person,
or at least in that relationship, when you are now
on your own, to start really investing in yourself, whether
it's to go back to school. She's actually getting on
the stage for the first time in fifteen years with
this new music she has, so she's now investing in herself,
and I think that's actually a part of the healing process.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
This next headline I didn't even want to do because
it has to do with j lovel and Ben. And
unless the headline is they're getting back together, I don't
really give a damn.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I know, we know how you feel and where you stand.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
On still rooting for these two.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You still hope, you know, it's even as we're seeing
them start to talk about their marriage, you're waiting for
them to say, you know, because you see his kids
hanging out with her kids and members of their family
hanging out together, and you could see a real relationship,
in an authentic bond that formed, and even between them,
it seems like they're good. So you kind of want
(08:28):
to know that, oh, they could get back together, but
that's not the headline.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
They can clearly get along as we see, these two
have been each other's lives publicly for decades now. But yeh,
She's was just quoted recently talking about how she told
her kids. Look, these families have been intertwined for quite
some time, and she said she told her kids she
just promised them that Mama was gonna be okay. She said,
I promise that I'll come out the other side stronger
and better. I promised them that, and I did it.
(08:54):
This is her saying that she has like come out
and emerged. Look, that was a mess. For any divorce
privately sucks a divorce publicly. Really, it really sucks a
divorce publicly from somebody that you got two new movies
and your whole new album attached to.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And it was a fairy tale kind of blood story
because they had been engaged twenty years prior and then
it just wasn't the right time. So now, for all
of us who believe in love and are rooting for love.
You think, oh wow, it just wasn't the right time,
but now it is. Now they could be together.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Hope, And still the moment's just not right.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But she does say she has a great sense of
peace in her life, and isn't that what we all
are hoping for? Well?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Does some piece come for some people? If you have
to a split or a divorce, do you feel better
to get rid of stuff that you had together? Anytime?
If you get divorced and you all lived in this
house together, would you be okay with one person gets
the house? Would you be okay getting the house? Or
do you want you don't want anything to do with
(09:53):
anything that you all had together?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
To each his own.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
But I like to start a new because for me,
things have memory, things have feelings. I think what you
surround yourself actually truly impacts how you feel. It affects energy,
and it does for me. So you know, you make
those decisions on a case by case basis. Unfortunately, you
and I have had some experience in this department.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know me fairly well, and I can separate. I
can associate pretty easily and quickly. And something is dead
to me and it's over to that point. I don't.
You don't want to see something that has a memory
attached to it. It could be a pleasant one or an
unpleasant one. You just don't. I don't want to see
that stuff, none of it. I don't want to drink
the same drink.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
No, seriously, I don't want to wear the same clothes.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I actually feel that way.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Think Okay, I'm with you there one hundred percent. And
I mentioned that because Jessica Alba they are selling their
La home for nineteen million dollars. It's on the market,
so it's available if you'd like to go out and
put your bid in. But it's in La. But this
is the home she shared with Cash Warren, who she
also I think it was the beginning of the year,
announced they would be getting a divorce as well. But
this is a home that she called their dream home
at some point and now that dream is gone. And
(11:00):
I bet she doesn't. No, no, I'm not going to
put words in.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Her mouth, but yes, but what I think where you're
going with this?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Look, she was married, They were married for sixteen years,
and she and they both both Jessica and Cash, referred
to this home as our dream home where they wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
To watch their kids grow up. I get that.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
So when that dream is gone, when that dream doesn't
exist anymore, it's almost like a rub to be in
this place that you thought was going to be one
thing and now it's another. And I just think that
that is just that's a heavy It's almost like an
albatross swaying you down and keeping you in the past.
It kind of keeps one foot in your past. Now.
I do know a lot of folks want to keep
their homes because a they don't have a choice, like
(11:38):
that's where they have to live, they can't afford to move,
but b because they want their kids to have some
stability and normalcy and just a space that they're familiar with.
I know that that weighs into a lot of folks
decisions about whether or not to keep a home or not.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But they are moving.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
On and eye has gone, so the house should go
to For.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Me, that absolutely is a non starter.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Did you know that you have had a widow?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I would have put an s on that or like,
I just knew that he had a lot of women
and probably some are still alive and some might have died.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
He was married to one.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That's it. He only had one.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Why he's not a polygamist. I mean, yes, he was
only Okay you're talking about Oh yeah, it made clay
boy house.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And I'm thinking of all the women around.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He wasn't married to all of them at the same time,
of course not. But I did not know this. But
he died in twenty seventeen, and his wife, Crystal Hefner,
is now engaged after a year of dating. Good for her.
Crystal is what now thirty nine?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, thirty nine, thirty nine years age gap and he
was nine. He died at ninety one in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Hey, when you know, you know? But what I am
saying here is that doesn't matter. A year doesn't matter.
What are the rules of Uh, he's been dead for
several years. He only dated somebody for a year and
then God and gen. I don't see any issue here.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The question that people are asked is do you think
an engagement after one year of dating is too soon?
What if you're a widow. I don't think that should
matter at all. I think you can still honor, especially
if you you know the person who passed was somebody
who was the love of your life or someone you
had a beautiful relationship with, I think you can still
honor them. I don't think anyone who truly loves no
(13:21):
other person would want the person they're leaving behind to
be alone and sad, So I don't. I don't think
there were rules behind that. I think it's personal. I
think it's individual.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's sad. I want you to be alone and missing
me every day the rest of your life. I don't
want you happy going out to movie horror movies with
some duty and popcorn.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I think I could never do that, though I couldn't
watch horror movies again.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Really. Oh so, y'all go see a rom com together?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Okay, I don't know how we got there or went there,
but no, I want none of that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But there's no issue there, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Think so an engagement, people get engaged within momsw long.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
When you're loon before you got engaged, Well was a
long one.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
First one, first one was I mean I was so young,
but it was a year.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
It was a year, no, no, no, no, before they dated
a year then got engaged, So you dated for how long? Engaged?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I dated a year and then got engaged for a year,
so for two years. Second time, this is a little.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
This is a little you know, you talked about this before.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I got engaged after let me see, wait, hold on,
get four months. I got engaged after four months, and
I got married after ten months of meeting him.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Wow, you really thought I was dragging my feet.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Then, Jesus, what's what are your timelines?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Longer much? Two years? I think? And uh, you know
what year? Probably a year on the first one. Okay,
it was.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
A year on the first one for me, and even
shorter the second.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
The first one and the second one, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Okay, that's the third one going to be Oh I
ki tak tic talk.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay, next up here, we've known some people personally who
have done this, but they have a divorce is it
called divorce party or a divorce a divorce party? Okay, yes,
but these things they feel im poor taste to me.
We're talking about HGTV star Christina Hack celebrated her divorce
being finalized with a party of sorts. You go out
(15:24):
with your friends. It's one thing like look this, Christina
Hack just did this kind of a smaller thing. Couple
of friends out toasting glasses. Supposed it is insta though. Okay,
so it looks like a celebration of your marriage ending,
which is fine by me if you want to do that,
but some will say it's impoor taste.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
So look again, I'm gonna stand here saying I'm not
going to judge what anyone else chooses to do. However,
if it were for me, I don't think it's a
bad thing. I think when people come up and say
I'm so sorry you're getting divorced, a lot of times
I would say, no, actually, it's a relief, so you
could congratulate me instead of feel sorry for me. But
it is one of those moments where I think, for me,
(16:03):
I wouldn't want to post, like I could see myself
going out and clinking a glass, but posting it is
kind of rubbing it in the faces not only of
the ex but the exes family, and if you have
children with that person, I don't know what message that
sends as well. I think that that's the consideration I
would have, just the ex the exes family members, former
friends who might have gotten caught in the crosshairs, and
(16:25):
then children if they're involved. I think sometimes it can
come off as yeah, in poor taste.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I guess it is the best way to put it
what it is. But to each his own.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean, you know what, like I don't know what
someone went through. You know what did she go through
to get to a place where she finally was able
to get divorced? Or say I want a divorce? So
maybe she needs to let off some steam and to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know What's that? We use this quote in our
morning run. I think recently, if you can't be happy
with what you have, at least be happy with what
you escaped.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, exactly, and that could exactly be I think it
is for a lot of people. Sometimes breakups, divorce are
exactly that.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
All right. The final thing here is this quote, the
pressure to be married to men is a conspiracy. Now
that quote comes from an actress. Now when you hear
that initially without context, or do you get curious or
do you react? How do you take that?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I get curious? I would I would like to ask
a few follow ups.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That's fair. But we talked about Anna Camp, who was
of Pitch Perfect, and.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
She's on this new season of You, which I've yet stream,
but I've watched all the other seasons. So I'm actually excited.
I didn't realize she was on this new season of You.
But she's been married twice before.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Okay, so it's not just us. I always feel like
nobody else and now everybody's.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Got to go.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's a thing.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Right. So she had two marriages, two men, that both
ended in divorce, and now she has posted on Instagram,
I guess making it official just recently that she is
with a woman.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay, fine, but that shock people, surprise people. But she
used that line that the pressure to be married to
men is a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't understand that. I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It sounds like you're saying women don't have the freedom
to explore, to be themselves. They don't have the freedom
to go back and forth. They don't like there's pressure
to possibly always identify as this, or label yourself or
put yourself in this group or that group. I took
it as that. Now, who is part of the conspiracy?
I don't know, but I took it as that. Well.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I do think, you know, maybe even ten years ago, fifteen,
twenty years ago, that might be more of something that
I could get behind.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I do think now, especially.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Having young girls now, who are nineteen and twenty two.
I mean, I just think it's so accepted to explore.
And I mean, maybe it's where you live in the country,
maybe it's your family. But I do think now, more
than ever before, I think people are celebrating and even
leaning into the options that they feel like they have,
that there aren't societal norms to the extent that you
(18:57):
can't be with who you want to be with and
you can't love who you want to love. You might
get judgment still, but I don't know about a larger conspiracy.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I've never been in that situation, so I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Know been in which one where I felt like I
was being pressured to be with men. I just well,
you didn't just to be pressure I just like I
just like men.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So it just kept it easy, I guess, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I mean, I don't know, do you feel like there's
a conspiracy against you or that you have to be
with women?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh, I don't know how you're going to finish that.
But yes, there's a conspiracy. But no, I look, I
love this And we've been talking so much about relationships.
We're gonna be talking about relationships more coming up in
the next, the next weeks and months. Yes, if folks
haven't heard, we'll get into that later. But it's like
everybody's going through it. Everybody's going through something, and these
(19:46):
are folks go through the names here, the Drek Kimsley,
Steve Gutenberg, Jessica Simpson, Jeneral Lopez, Jessica Alba, all of
those folks. At some point, I I think in the
past twelve to eighteen months, we have seen some beautiful
picture of how wonderful their relationship was.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That look, folks, if that tells you anything, you think
you're the only one going through it, you're not. And
I know your neighbor they look so perfect over there,
they're not. Everybody's going through something. So I've loved doing
I do Part two because it is a part of
a community, and everybody can be a part of a community.
So just people always keep that in mind.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, I think that's so important.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
And when you see celebrities and I think there's one
of those magazines that has a page that says they're
just like us, but truly they are. I mean, you
know everyone they show relationships, well, they'll show them like
being in line at Walmart buying you know dog food.
But you know, I think sometimes people think that if
you've got money, or you have fame, or you have
(20:47):
some sort of success in your life, that's somehow you're
immune or insulated from relationship drama. And it's just certainly
not the case.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They're just like us. They're just like that, I need this.
Then they should be in the corner curled up crying,
because that would be just like me. That's more so
how I am usually, folks. Look, we always, always, always
appreciate you all being a part of the conversation engaging
with us, because we absolutely love doing this thing. A
lot of news out there, folks are splitting up, finding love,
they're healing, they're throwing divorced parties, they're going back to college.
(21:14):
But whatever you're going through at the time, maybe it
is a divorce at this time, maybe you're feeling a
little lost, Folks, you are not alone. We have folks here.
We have some experience, hard earned, hard one. We weren't
trying to earn it, no, but we have it now.
But at anytime we can lend our experience to some
of your questions as well. We appreciate doing so.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, So if you're going through a divorce, if you're
feeling lost, if you need some help from us or
from our team of amazing mentors, you know where to
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where you know the drill. Now only in love is
the main objective. H
Hey, the folks, welcome to I Do Part two. If
you got love right the first time around, this ain't
the show for you. On TJ Holmes alongside my friend,
my partner, my podcast co host Amy Roboch. That was
also impersonal.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Let me, I'm very clinical.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It did with my person, my partner, my spouse, my
what's the right.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Way to love of my life?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Love my life? There it is that you had to
feed me that line is a little disturbed.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think you probably avoided saying it because it's overused
all the time on all the reality shows we watch,
and you roll your eyes when people call each other
the love of their lives. Then we look up and
two months later they're so I think you probably tried
not to use that.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah. And so we have had a chance to come
hop onto I Do Part two in a little bit,
and there's always relationship news. So we're going to discuss
some relationship news, some very high profile relationship news, and
we're going to get into a couple of questions, one
of them having to be what do you do post divorce?
Is it important for you to rebrand yourself? We're also
going to get into this question, is it good to
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throw a divorce party, a divorce celebration, or is that
in bad taste. There's a lot of celebrities who are
going through this right now. The first Dree Kimsley. Let's
start with her. A lot of people know and I
would say love, but she has some issues right now
with irregilable differences. Of course, she's from the Beverly Hills housewife.
She's divorcing her husband PK is his name after A PK.
(01:43):
Kimsley after ten years of marriage. Now Robes. We hear
about a divorce, we hear about a breakup, but so
much of the conversation around this one has to do
with the fact that they actually made it to ten
years of marriage.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
And the reason why that's significant. It varies from state
to state, but anyone who's been divorce knows sometimes folks
will be strategic and plan their divorces for when they
might have the most to gain and maybe the.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Least to lose.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
You could look at it two different ways, and who
knows that this is the case. But a lot of
people are wondering if Deret waited for those ten years,
because in the state of California, that means you've been
in a what is it called a long.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Term marriage New Jersey? I know has that here?
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Again different from state to state, but once you get
branded as a long term marriage, you are entitled to
fifty percent.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
And so who.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Knows what the state of their finances actually is and
whether or not that's even true. But a lot of
people are saying, hmmm, I wonder if she was waiting
specifically so that she could get fifty percent.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I'm sure it just happened to work out that way.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Surely she might even be like, hell, yeah, I did
you know?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Who knows?
Speaker 3 (02:51):
I've heard I've heard women say yeah, I stuck with
it because I knew that I was. I had done
enough where I felt like this was the way that
made the most sense for me. So who knows what
it is? But another thing people are talking about is
that PK I think he got photographed one day before
the divorce filing kissing and holding hands with a former
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Amazing Race contestant. So if you're a big reality show person,
you might know who is it, Shannel wall Is. So
he was out kissing, holding our hands. It wasn't like
he was hiding it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
What we're saying is, we're not holding out hope for
a reconciliation.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I don't think that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
They do have two kids, Jaggers eleven, Phoenix is nine,
and so PK has filed for joint custody.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
We hope the best for them. Divorce is hard, and
it's really hard in the public eye. So we wish
them both the best.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
See when we say we wish them the best, oftentimes
that doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship continues. Sometimes what's best,
and we've learned that what's best is for them to
go their separate ways. Now, another divorce that's taking place
now is from a guy. Look, I love Steve Guttenberg
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Oh yeah, Three Men and a baby.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
But before that police Academy. Wasn't he in the one
with the what was the robot? What was the name
of it? Short Circuit? Is it short Short Circuit? You
remember that movie? Yes?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
And I have actually seen Steve Gutenberg running in Central
Park before he was running alone. He was actually I've
only seen him one time running in New York, but
I was like, oh my god, that was Steve. Good.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
You're probably going to see him unning alone again if
you see him because he is announced now he is
also file from divorce of his wife of six years
now six years of a shorter time. This is his
second marriage. Been there, done that call with Steve if
you want to talk, but his wife, Emily Smith, there
is a significant age gap.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Did we look?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Is Steve sixty six six and we believe Emily Smith
is thirty.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Five, so somewhere around thirty years, you know, does that
fla into it?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I mean, it absolutely could have.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
They're saying irreconcilable differences again, and he's already he's already
agreed to pay sposal support to Smith. So they did
have a prenup, which I think will help expedite this
and hopefully make it a little bit less messy. Is
certainly in the public eye. It's never fun to have
people wanting to know.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
All the details.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
So if you had a pre up, hopefully that will
make things a much smoother process for both of them.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And again, we don't we hate to speculate about somebody
a specific relationship, have no idea what happened and why
with these two, But anytime we've talked about this, certainly
recently with with several couples of relationships where there's a
big age difference, it does come into play. You could
love somebody all day long, but you have different interests,
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you have different bedtimes, even you have different things you wanted.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Different activity levels, all of that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
And that can come into play in a relationship. So
hopefully both of those get through that and look, like
we said, Robes, we've been there, we have done that,
and we know you can come out better on the other.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So those were yes, one hundred percent. Those are some
recent splitting up headlines, but there are some moving on
headlines from people who have just recently announced their divorces,
among them Jessica Simpson. She it was right at the
beginning of the year, correct that she announced that she
and her well now ex husband Eric Johnson were splitting,
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and they had been together for a very long time.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But I love this part of the story.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So if anyone remembers Jessica Simpson's kind of been known
as despite the fact that she is a ridiculously successful
business woman.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Oh yeah, is a billionaire. I think she's a billionaire.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So I actually stopped myself, but I was like, I'm
pretty sure she's in that billionaire league where you know,
she's got the clothing line and everything. She's really expanded
her empire from beyond music, even though she is making
new music. But she was kind of known as, unfortunately
for her, a dumb blonde, all because of that reality
show she did with Nick Lache. Remember when she asked
if Tuna was Chicken of the sea?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
She was like, is it chicken?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
And just because of that one perhaps maybe even silly
comment she made, I don't think she's been able to shake,
or maybe she at least feels like she hasn't been
able to shake that dumb blonde, you know, the thing
that people assigned to someone, especially if you just make
one mistake. So anyway, I love this. She is now
saying that she wants to go back to school. It's
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something she's had a dream of her entire life since
her twenties, and now she wants to go back to
school and expand her education.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I think that's great. I would hate for her motivation
to be to prove something to anybody other than herself.
If she wants to do that, that's fine. I know
it can look good, and I know there's a pr
element to everything when it comes to folks who are
in the public eye. But I hope she does this
for her. Who gives a damn when anybody thinks about you.
If this is what she wants to do.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I hope she does it, and I think it is
a cool thing. I think, you know, especially if so
much of your life has been wrapped up in another person,
or at least in that relationship, when you are now
on your own, to start really investing in yourself, whether
it's to go back to school. She's actually getting on
the stage for the first time in fifteen years with
this new music she has, so she's now investing in herself,
and I think that's actually a part of the healing process.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
This next headline I didn't even want to do because
it has to do with j lovel and Ben. And
unless the headline is they're getting back together, I don't
really give a damn.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I know, we know how you feel and where you stand.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
On still rooting for these two.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
You still hope, you know, it's even as we're seeing
them start to talk about their marriage, you're waiting for
them to say, you know, because you see his kids
hanging out with her kids and members of their family
hanging out together, and you could see a real relationship,
in an authentic bond that formed, and even between them,
it seems like they're good. So you kind of want
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to know that, oh, they could get back together, but
that's not the headline.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
They can clearly get along as we see, these two
have been each other's lives publicly for decades now. But yeh,
She's was just quoted recently talking about how she told
her kids. Look, these families have been intertwined for quite
some time, and she said she told her kids she
just promised them that Mama was gonna be okay. She said,
I promise that I'll come out the other side stronger
and better. I promised them that, and I did it.
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This is her saying that she has like come out
and emerged. Look, that was a mess. For any divorce
privately sucks a divorce publicly. Really, it really sucks a
divorce publicly from somebody that you got two new movies
and your whole new album attached to.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And it was a fairy tale kind of blood story
because they had been engaged twenty years prior and then
it just wasn't the right time. So now, for all
of us who believe in love and are rooting for love.
You think, oh wow, it just wasn't the right time,
but now it is. Now they could be together.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Hope, And still the moment's just not right.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But she does say she has a great sense of
peace in her life, and isn't that what we all
are hoping for? Well?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Does some piece come for some people? If you have
to a split or a divorce, do you feel better
to get rid of stuff that you had together? Anytime?
If you get divorced and you all lived in this
house together, would you be okay with one person gets
the house? Would you be okay getting the house? Or
do you want you don't want anything to do with
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anything that you all had together?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
To each his own.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
But I like to start a new because for me,
things have memory, things have feelings. I think what you
surround yourself actually truly impacts how you feel. It affects energy,
and it does for me. So you know, you make
those decisions on a case by case basis. Unfortunately, you
and I have had some experience in this department.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
You know me fairly well, and I can separate. I
can associate pretty easily and quickly. And something is dead
to me and it's over to that point. I don't.
You don't want to see something that has a memory
attached to it. It could be a pleasant one or an
unpleasant one. You just don't. I don't want to see
that stuff, none of it. I don't want to drink
the same drink.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
No, seriously, I don't want to wear the same clothes.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I actually feel that way.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Think Okay, I'm with you there one hundred percent. And
I mentioned that because Jessica Alba they are selling their
La home for nineteen million dollars. It's on the market,
so it's available if you'd like to go out and
put your bid in. But it's in La. But this
is the home she shared with Cash Warren, who she
also I think it was the beginning of the year,
announced they would be getting a divorce as well. But
this is a home that she called their dream home
at some point and now that dream is gone. And
(11:00):
I bet she doesn't. No, no, I'm not going to
put words in.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Her mouth, but yes, but what I think where you're
going with this?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Look, she was married, They were married for sixteen years,
and she and they both both Jessica and Cash, referred
to this home as our dream home where they wanted.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
To watch their kids grow up. I get that.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
So when that dream is gone, when that dream doesn't
exist anymore, it's almost like a rub to be in
this place that you thought was going to be one
thing and now it's another. And I just think that
that is just that's a heavy It's almost like an
albatross swaying you down and keeping you in the past.
It kind of keeps one foot in your past. Now.
I do know a lot of folks want to keep
their homes because a they don't have a choice, like
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that's where they have to live, they can't afford to move,
but b because they want their kids to have some
stability and normalcy and just a space that they're familiar with.
I know that that weighs into a lot of folks
decisions about whether or not to keep a home or not.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But they are moving.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
On and eye has gone, so the house should go
to For.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Me, that absolutely is a non starter.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Did you know that you have had a widow?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I would have put an s on that or like,
I just knew that he had a lot of women
and probably some are still alive and some might have died.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
He was married to one.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That's it. He only had one.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Why he's not a polygamist. I mean, yes, he was
only Okay you're talking about Oh yeah, it made clay
boy house.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And I'm thinking of all the women around.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
He wasn't married to all of them at the same time,
of course not. But I did not know this. But
he died in twenty seventeen, and his wife, Crystal Hefner,
is now engaged after a year of dating. Good for her.
Crystal is what now thirty nine?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yes, thirty nine, thirty nine years age gap and he
was nine. He died at ninety one in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Hey, when you know, you know? But what I am
saying here is that doesn't matter. A year doesn't matter.
What are the rules of Uh, he's been dead for
several years. He only dated somebody for a year and
then God and gen. I don't see any issue here.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The question that people are asked is do you think
an engagement after one year of dating is too soon?
What if you're a widow. I don't think that should
matter at all. I think you can still honor, especially
if you you know the person who passed was somebody
who was the love of your life or someone you
had a beautiful relationship with, I think you can still
honor them. I don't think anyone who truly loves no
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other person would want the person they're leaving behind to
be alone and sad, So I don't. I don't think
there were rules behind that. I think it's personal. I
think it's individual.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's sad. I want you to be alone and missing
me every day the rest of your life. I don't
want you happy going out to movie horror movies with
some duty and popcorn.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I think I could never do that, though I couldn't
watch horror movies again.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Really. Oh so, y'all go see a rom com together?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Okay, I don't know how we got there or went there,
but no, I want none of that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But there's no issue there, I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Think so an engagement, people get engaged within momsw long.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
When you're loon before you got engaged, Well was a
long one.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
First one, first one was I mean I was so young,
but it was a year.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
It was a year, no, no, no, no, before they dated
a year then got engaged, So you dated for how long? Engaged?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I dated a year and then got engaged for a year,
so for two years. Second time, this is a little.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
This is a little you know, you talked about this before.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I got engaged after let me see, wait, hold on,
get four months. I got engaged after four months, and
I got married after ten months of meeting him.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Wow, you really thought I was dragging my feet.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Then, Jesus, what's what are your timelines?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Longer much? Two years? I think? And uh, you know
what year? Probably a year on the first one. Okay,
it was.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
A year on the first one for me, and even
shorter the second.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
The first one and the second one, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Okay, that's the third one going to be Oh I
ki tak tic talk.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Okay, next up here, we've known some people personally who
have done this, but they have a divorce is it
called divorce party or a divorce a divorce party? Okay, yes,
but these things they feel im poor taste to me.
We're talking about HGTV star Christina Hack celebrated her divorce
being finalized with a party of sorts. You go out
(15:24):
with your friends. It's one thing like look this, Christina
Hack just did this kind of a smaller thing. Couple
of friends out toasting glasses. Supposed it is insta though. Okay,
so it looks like a celebration of your marriage ending,
which is fine by me if you want to do that,
but some will say it's impoor taste.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
So look again, I'm gonna stand here saying I'm not
going to judge what anyone else chooses to do. However,
if it were for me, I don't think it's a
bad thing. I think when people come up and say
I'm so sorry you're getting divorced, a lot of times
I would say, no, actually, it's a relief, so you
could congratulate me instead of feel sorry for me. But
it is one of those moments where I think, for me,
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I wouldn't want to post, like I could see myself
going out and clinking a glass, but posting it is
kind of rubbing it in the faces not only of
the ex but the exes family, and if you have
children with that person, I don't know what message that
sends as well. I think that that's the consideration I
would have, just the ex the exes family members, former
friends who might have gotten caught in the crosshairs, and
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then children if they're involved. I think sometimes it can
come off as yeah, in poor taste.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I guess it is the best way to put it
what it is. But to each his own.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
I mean, you know what, like I don't know what
someone went through. You know what did she go through
to get to a place where she finally was able
to get divorced? Or say I want a divorce? So
maybe she needs to let off some steam and to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know What's that? We use this quote in our
morning run. I think recently, if you can't be happy
with what you have, at least be happy with what
you escaped.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes, exactly, and that could exactly be I think it
is for a lot of people. Sometimes breakups, divorce are
exactly that.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
All right. The final thing here is this quote, the
pressure to be married to men is a conspiracy. Now
that quote comes from an actress. Now when you hear
that initially without context, or do you get curious or
do you react? How do you take that?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I get curious? I would I would like to ask
a few follow ups.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
That's fair. But we talked about Anna Camp, who was
of Pitch Perfect, and.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
She's on this new season of You, which I've yet stream,
but I've watched all the other seasons. So I'm actually excited.
I didn't realize she was on this new season of You.
But she's been married twice before.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Okay, so it's not just us. I always feel like
nobody else and now everybody's.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Got to go.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's a thing.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Right. So she had two marriages, two men, that both
ended in divorce, and now she has posted on Instagram,
I guess making it official just recently that she is
with a woman.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay, fine, but that shock people, surprise people. But she
used that line that the pressure to be married to
men is a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't understand that. I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It sounds like you're saying women don't have the freedom
to explore, to be themselves. They don't have the freedom
to go back and forth. They don't like there's pressure
to possibly always identify as this, or label yourself or
put yourself in this group or that group. I took
it as that. Now, who is part of the conspiracy?
I don't know, but I took it as that. Well.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I do think, you know, maybe even ten years ago, fifteen,
twenty years ago, that might be more of something that
I could get behind.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I do think now, especially.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Having young girls now, who are nineteen and twenty two.
I mean, I just think it's so accepted to explore.
And I mean, maybe it's where you live in the country,
maybe it's your family. But I do think now, more
than ever before, I think people are celebrating and even
leaning into the options that they feel like they have,
that there aren't societal norms to the extent that you
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can't be with who you want to be with and
you can't love who you want to love. You might
get judgment still, but I don't know about a larger conspiracy.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I've never been in that situation, so I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Know been in which one where I felt like I
was being pressured to be with men. I just well,
you didn't just to be pressure I just like I
just like men.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
So it just kept it easy, I guess, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I mean, I don't know, do you feel like there's
a conspiracy against you or that you have to be
with women?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh, I don't know how you're going to finish that.
But yes, there's a conspiracy. But no, I look, I
love this And we've been talking so much about relationships.
We're gonna be talking about relationships more coming up in
the next, the next weeks and months. Yes, if folks
haven't heard, we'll get into that later. But it's like
everybody's going through it. Everybody's going through something, and these
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are folks go through the names here, the Drek Kimsley,
Steve Gutenberg, Jessica Simpson, Jeneral Lopez, Jessica Alba, all of
those folks. At some point, I I think in the
past twelve to eighteen months, we have seen some beautiful
picture of how wonderful their relationship was.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That look, folks, if that tells you anything, you think
you're the only one going through it, you're not. And
I know your neighbor they look so perfect over there,
they're not. Everybody's going through something. So I've loved doing
I do Part two because it is a part of
a community, and everybody can be a part of a community.
So just people always keep that in mind.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, I think that's so important.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
And when you see celebrities and I think there's one
of those magazines that has a page that says they're
just like us, but truly they are. I mean, you
know everyone they show relationships, well, they'll show them like
being in line at Walmart buying you know dog food.
But you know, I think sometimes people think that if
you've got money, or you have fame, or you have
(20:47):
some sort of success in your life, that's somehow you're
immune or insulated from relationship drama. And it's just certainly
not the case.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They're just like us. They're just like that, I need this.
Then they should be in the corner curled up crying,
because that would be just like me. That's more so
how I am usually, folks. Look, we always, always, always
appreciate you all being a part of the conversation engaging
with us, because we absolutely love doing this thing. A
lot of news out there, folks are splitting up, finding love,
they're healing, they're throwing divorced parties, they're going back to college.
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But whatever you're going through at the time, maybe it
is a divorce at this time, maybe you're feeling a
little lost, Folks, you are not alone. We have folks here.
We have some experience, hard earned, hard one. We weren't
trying to earn it, no, but we have it now.
But at anytime we can lend our experience to some
of your questions as well. We appreciate doing so.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, So if you're going through a divorce, if you're
feeling lost, if you need some help from us or
from our team of amazing mentors, you know where to
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We are here to help, and all the info is
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