The Voice of Anjali Bhimani

Actress Anjali Bhimani joins Will and Christie as they discuss the world of voice acting, including the shrinking audition pool and what to do about it. Plus, the power of NDAs (non-disclosure agreements) and why Anjali is terrified of spoilers. She does however, reveal something that leaves Will completely shocked! 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Christy, Hi Will. How are you? I'm good. How
are you doing? I don't know why. Sometimes it just
feels like it's been a million years since I've seen
you and heard your voice. And it makes me sad.
It does. It feels like it's been a while. I
probably hasn't been that long, but it does. It feels
like it's been a while. And then we popped on
and the first thing you talked about was my Ron
in the box. I did. It's a run in the

(00:20):
box right there behind him. That is not Yeah, that
is not a strange euphemism. If you are, you can
look at the the video. I'm actually in my little booth.
I have some toys behind me, and there's my Ron
stoppable of course in the box, because you never take
a toy out of the box. That's why unless channel
and then sacrilegious. I get that now. Though I want

(00:40):
to tell you we did it for views. We did
it for views, but we didn't need to do it
for views. However, we did do a really cute thing
where you and I made this knocko on the YouTube
or whatever, and it was like, by the way, my
top performing interview and video. So it was and everyone
knows it. I concur will is uso in my you

(01:02):
do really have a great voice. Um, I don't know.
So lately I've been like, I do a lot of
interviewing and I I guess the voice is a really
interesting part of the human um body because you use
it and can utilize it in so many different ways. Right,

(01:23):
So like when you're interviewing somebody, you can genuinely ask
them questions with empathy, and you can like lure them
into telling you things. And it's like it can be
a tool for good. It could be a tool for evil, sure,
But like when I hear your voice, it feels to
me like, I don't know, so personal, like we've gotten
to a place now where our friendship and are working

(01:46):
together has brought me to a place where when I
hear your voice, it like evokes a very strong emotion
for me. Oh that's really it's a good emotion. I
hope it is. It's like a singular like I feel
like your voice it's a very much like the minute
I hear it. I I don't know if it's because
we do zooms and like we see each other, you know,

(02:06):
in all different kinds of ways. But like the voice
is what connects us the most. Honestly, Yeah, I agree, No,
I agree, And that's I think that's very sweet and
it's nice that it evokes a nice feeling and you're
not like it's weird. Every time I hear your voice,
I throw up a little bit in my mouth, like
because that would be a much worse reaction. It's very sweet.

(02:28):
I think it just goes all goes back to what
like the original start of this conversation of me being awesome.
I think it's kind of actually iconic. Kind everybody we
worked well, We worked well together. It's just the way
it is. And it's pronounced fred la oh man, don't

(02:51):
even get to frid what frieda lay? I have not
gotten free to lay? You know what I got for years,
which I'm surprised. Well, I mean you will occasionally call
me this, but for years and years and years, my
nickname for a lot of people, especially in Los Angeles
when I moved out here, was Wilfred because I say

(03:11):
my name so fast, I say my name is Wilfred L.
And so I had a lot of people that would say, oh,
Mr L, you know, can you sit there and wait?
Like they thought my name was Wilfred L. So that
became my nickname for year. I mean, like love Hewitt
and of all the first directors I worked with a
lot of people on boy Me's World, it was I
was Wilfred for years. So I always kind of liked

(03:32):
that nickname. It's a it's a good name. It's kind
of goofy and that. But yeah, because you say your
name so fast, him Wilfredell, and people would go, okay, Fredell. Yeah,
that's like I feel like that guy is a magician.
Though he feels like a magician. I'm well, yeah, well
would also be you'd have to put the amazing in
front of it. I'd be the amazing Wilfredel exactly, the epic, iconic,

(03:55):
one of a kindred. I can never I will never
not say it that way. I you know, I I am.
I'm a magician at heart. I just don't know any
magic tricks. That's okay, which makes which makes being a
magician difficult, if I'm honest, if it makes the show
kind of boring where it's like, welcome, I have nothing.

(04:17):
I can't even balloon animals or anything. Very quickly, you
you have moved into your new house, which apparently is
just all white and empty, because now you're you're not
in front of your green screen, You're just in the
the white cavernous room they are feeding me. I am okay,
I'll hold up today's paper so we know this is live.

(04:39):
Oh my gosh. Um. But yeah, I'm still getting around
to it. I mean, it's a lot to take on
when you move into a new space. 'susually when you're
like working from that space. Um, and it is it's tricky,
Like you you record from this amazing booth that I'm
sure you've had set up for a long time, right, Yeah,
a lot of years, Yeah, a lot of you Do
you remember setting up your bo both like I do.

(05:01):
I a friend of mine came in and you know,
I had this this smaller kind of office room in
my house and I knew I wanted a booth just
because if you remember back in the day, it's this
is such a lame actor thing, but it's it's true,
you have to um, but waiting for a booth at
at my agency at the time, there was times that
we take two or three hours. Literally you'd sit there

(05:23):
for two or three hours to get a booth. So um,
I you know, We've been fortunate in my career, and
I said, I'm gonna I want to build one in
the house. So my friend came over who was a carpenter,
and we literally put it up and bought all the
equipment and everything I need. So it's it's a nice
little soundproof room, um, which has worked out well, especially
with all the podcasting I've been doing. It's kind of

(05:43):
I live in this room now. The only problem with
it is that there is no air whatsoever. So it's
a thousand degrees. I'm never wearing pants, um, and you
get a little high by the end of it because
of the carbon out of the car. No, I've got
a tiny little one of those little poor doable air
conditioners that sits next to me because it just gets
so hot in here. Good, So next time I do it,

(06:06):
I will now so you. I mean they say that
moving is like one of the most stressful things in
the world. They seem to be handling it well, or
at least really faking your way through it awesomely. Um,
thank you. You also haven't seen me for a few weeks,
and it's been a really rough couple of weeks, and
I've like track. Yeah, I've traveled. I went back to
l A. I recorded vulnerable and thanks for calling me.

(06:26):
By the way, you know I was telling Brandon about that. Yeah,
we need to do a part two, honestly because we
did a really great part one. And I mean again,
like I said, views man, you were in my Can
we talk about your anxiety and make a knacko hashtag? Sure?
Anxiety knacko? Uh no, but no, what I was to
see this is where your mind goes with business. I

(06:48):
wasn't talking about to be un vulnerable. I was talking
about just to hang out, calling me and being like,
let's grab a meal. You know what? I That is
my bad. I'm really really sorry. I'm really sorry because honestly,
I'm always looking for someone to hang out after your work. Yeah,
that was my bad. I went to Marina del Rey
one night. Okay, now we're just, we're really just. But

(07:09):
we do have an awesome, amazing guest today who's actually
a friend of mine, not only a voice of what
I would call a v O buddy, but also a
D N D buddy. There's a lot of just letters
I've noticed when you're a v O and D and
D buddy. Okay, Um, l l uh. So I'm I'm
very excited to have her on t B. What is

(07:29):
what does that one mean? To be honest, that's t
B eight t B eight t B e b A.
To be honest, s m h is shake my head.
I've had to look these up. That's how I know. Now,
did you really you seem like you're in the know
for all this stuff. I really had to look this up.
I'm at the point now where my husband's like, what
does that mean? And I'm just like, oh, I never

(07:51):
get that stuff. I found out l O L didn't
mean lots of love like a month ago. So yeah,
we're fine, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so, But I'm
sorry we haven't spoken in a while. How you diagrash
on this though? Like honestly, I bet people really love
to hear is check in with each other, like genuinely,

(08:14):
or they're like, just please get to the awesome guest
because as we've as we talked about earlier, my voice
evokes a little bit of throw up in the mouth.
So I want to make sure the amazing, the astounding
wilfred l L mr L No. We have an incredible
guest joining us today. She is an actress of best

(08:35):
selling author. She's on camera, she's voice over. She is
a D and D player, which makes her a great
buddy right there. But she's been in I mean stuff
like NB scenes, Blind Spot, Who Lose Runaway. She's also
in Miss Marvel. Her video game stuff is like overwatching
a pet, you name it. She's in it essentially books

(08:57):
and she I said, yeah, best time. I mean, it's
like you just she's one of those people where you
look through your resume and you just feel bad about yourself.
Um so, who do we have today? Oh? Man, we
have the most amazing Antolie Bamani. How are you? I'm good.

(09:18):
I smell like coffee because I just build an entire
cup all over myself. Oh did you really? That's always
the best way to start the day, just bathed in coffee.
I'm so delicious. Now, you guys, that's pretty hot. Like
something to this, like a coffee scented bath. Yeah. Add

(09:39):
that to the list of products that we have to
develop together. Shell we yes, of course, How are you great?
How are You're awesome? It's nice to meet you, by
the way, thanks to me to do Christie Angelie Angelie
Chris Yes, will have you told her where we met
or how we met. I actually haven't. Would you like
to tell the story? Would you like me to tell

(10:01):
the story? I love it so much when you do so.
And Julie and I met in a hot tub in Hawaii,
Oh my gosh, that is absolutely a true story. We
always we always like to omit the part that she
was there with her husband and I was there with
my wife. You'd just like to say I knows, but

(10:22):
that don't just sound like it's true. Um, we are
going to start, Miss Marvel, because that's awesome, but then
we're gonna get more into your v O stuff, because
this isn't icy faces and Julie, it's I hear voices,
it's I hear, I hear. So let's start, though, Miss Marvel,
because that was I think was you and I were

(10:43):
doing something I can't remember. It was a con or,
it was critical role, but we were doing something right
when you booked that, and you were so excited, didn't
I booked it at the end of two thousand not
the end, but like fall two thousand twenty, because that's why.
And we uh started shooting. I started shooting. I started

(11:03):
shooting in November November Funny November twenty. Maybe it was
maybe you knew you were going out for something, it
just happened supersed Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was
probably that I knew it was coming out, but I
wasn't allowed to talk about what it was because we
really didn't know when it was coming out once we
had shot it and and and then there were reshoots

(11:24):
to do as well. So so it was literally just
me waiting for someone to tell me when the show
is coming out, which is you know, what happens with
half of what you do is just go, I can't
talk about it, and then next thing you know, it's
streaming and you're like, oh, I guess I can talk
about that now, right, And that's the same thing obviously
with games and animated series everything now everything lives and
dies by NBA Sea exactly, we're not allowed to talk,

(11:46):
we're not allowed to promote what we're doing until it's
already out. Well, so I have a question, because this
is a recurring thing that does happen to a lot
of our guests, what is it feel like to actually,
I'm not going to say, be silenced, but essentially like
to commit to not speaking about something that you've done
that is coming and like, can you just walk us through,

(12:08):
um what that's like to not yeah somebody. Yeah, if
you see a poster and you're like, oh, I can't
see that. You're sitting next to somebody you know, and
you're like, oh, I can't sell them one of the dude.
I mean for me, Look, I am. I am allergic
to spoilers. I have unfriended relatives before because I because
they've spoiled things for me. So on the flip side

(12:29):
of that, I get really excited when I know it's
gonna be surprised. I'm gonna be able to tell everyone,
and yes, it's it's a little bit like you know,
sometimes it'll bruise your ego. I can't lie about that
when everybody else who gets to talk about it, but
you don't, and you're just waiting to be a part
of the fun. But when you finally do get to
share that, and especially in this instance with Miss Marvel,
because I was I was lucky enough that they allowed

(12:52):
that the announcement about me being and it came out
right like the day before the trailers, like the day before,
So I was very lucky that that, you know, the
Universe took care of me that with the Universe and Disney. Yeah.
So so in that sense, it was, you know, having
patience or at least looking like I had patience was

(13:13):
worth it. And uh and again I love surprising people.
I love you know, I don't. I don't even like
people showing me the full trailer of something that I'm
interested in seeing because I feel like it's really ruined something. Yeah. Yeah,
and especially when something has been having so much promotion
that it's building up. I tried to put I try.

(13:33):
I don't alwa I succeed, but I tried to put
my own like miaomiah oh, I really want to tell
people miamio. I try to put that to the technical term.
I try to put that aside um knowing that they
are they are, you know, putting things out sort of
strategically to keep that momentum. Sure, and just you know,
just because I know you so well and I know
you hate this um. Dartha's Luke's father, Rosebud was a

(13:55):
sled and Bruce Willis was dead the whole time. Um,
so good news is I at least saw all of
those and they're old enough that I can't get too mad,
but I'm so. I mean, I'm still the person who's like, yeah,
I was on the last season of The Sopranos, but
I can't tell you why in case you haven't seen it,
because and it's a soprano like three thousand years old.

(14:17):
When I'm like, no, if you haven't seen it, I
don't want to spoil it for you. Were you on
the last season the Sopranos, I wasn't. Where were you
in the last season of The Sopranos. I just rewatched
The Soprano. I can't tell you because where wait, wait,
which part were you in the last season of the Sopranos. Um, yeah,
I'm I'm a doctor in the hospital in season six
because surprise, surprise, I'm Indian. Um So yeah, I mean,

(14:37):
what else am I going to do on The Sopranos?
My brother when I when I booked at when I
finally was able to tell my brother, who was like,
just please tell me you're not about a big girl.
Oh yeah, definitely, it was me. You're not playing a
stripper on this spoint. Really, so this is when Tony
was in the hospital. Now she's not telling I have
to go back and watch Againez listen. I actually think

(14:58):
this is wonderful because it answers my question in such
an amazing way. I think like you're the perfect person
to have asked this question too, And I wanted to
kind of extrapolate what that struggle is like because I
can see our guests are always struggling, and I'd say nine,
if not ten out of ten are on an n
d A and nondisclosure agreement. A huge voice over too,

(15:20):
because you're working so because because the stuff is, you're
you're recording something and then you don't see it for
another eight months when it comes back for animation. So
it's like, forget about eight months. You don't like serious, Yeah,
it can be years, and some of them are bad.
So it's like you've got nine projects coming out and
you can't talk about ten of them. What happens if
you were to mess up? It happens all the time,

(15:41):
It does happen, happen, It depends on the company. Um,
I live in fear of n d A is like
like I live in fear of the I r s
Like it's such a big thing to me. But I
also like my achilles heel in life is that I
live in fear of getting in trouble, even if I've
done something nothing wrong. I'm like, I know I did
something wrong and someone's gonna come out to me. So
I think it really depends on the company, and it
depends on the severity of what you've said, to the

(16:04):
severity of what you said, but also the intention. Yeah, like,
were you being an obvious over jerk about it. It's
going to use a different word, but we're a family show, yes, exactly,
because it could have been awful. Are you being like
very pointed about that? Or did you buy mistake post

(16:25):
a picture that you thought was just a view but
there was something in the background and they had to
call you up and take a dinner, you know, because
that's happened. I've seen that happen. I've seen that happen
with major spoilers, and people still have their jobs. But
if you are someone who is like actively going out
there and saying, well, screw the company, I'm going to
say this, then you know that's obviously illegal, that malicious,

(16:48):
malicious kind of I think, I think, or I'm not responsible. Yeah,
I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know really specifically,
you play one on TV or you're going to play
one on TV and the doctors only I played doctors,
you guys, I played I played a lawyer onto you.
I'm sure, I'm sure you have you know that could

(17:10):
happen someday if I could like see over, they'd have
to like put me on to put an apple box
on my chair so i'd be able to see over
the All right, so well, and speaking of being well,
first of all, that was not at all where I
thought you were going to go. I never thought speaking
of being short was the thing that was going to
come out. So I thought you were going to take
the next transition, So I'll take the next transition. Uh

(17:32):
since uh on? Can we always ask on camera versus
v O is do you have one you prefer? But
if you'd rather do the short thing, we could talk
about that. Um I can tell I can combine the two. Nice.
Um I do not prefer either. I think of like
on camera, voiceover, theater, musicals, whatever. I think of it

(17:54):
all as different languages with the same route. So I
love speaking French, I love speaking Spanish. They come from
the same root, but the completely different languages. So when
you think in a different language, sometimes some of it
spills over the way you're learning. It is very similar
because there are similarities, but ultimately it is its own
thing right, with its own pros and cons. And what
I love about like, I am physically incapable of choosing

(18:16):
one medium, and I used to think that that was
because of a lack of focus, but now I realize
it's because I love all of the different pros and
cons or all of the different individual ways that you
can tell a story that are specific to each medium.
So what I love so much about One of the
things I love so much about voiceover is that you

(18:37):
are not bound by your physical attributes. I don't have
to play play a petite Indian woman who looks a
particular way. I can be a dinosaur. I can be
a dragon, I can be a little kid, I can
be a little boy. Like it doesn't matter at all, um,
I can be any it can be anything, and then
I'm not and I'm not beholden to that. I also

(18:57):
think what's really fun about voice over. I love mic
technique in general as a tool to convey different amounts
of emotion, and I love that as a singer and
as a voice actor, because there is just something you
can make you can make the most intimate connection with
your audience or with the players of your game or whatever.
You can have the most intimate moment just being right

(19:18):
up there against the mic and just a breath somehow
captures an emotion which is not something you can do
in the theater, which is not something you can Sometimes
you can't even do it on film, depending on how
well it's it's it's kind of the it's the the
audio equivalent of a raised eyebrow on film. You know,
it's that kind of thing. It's that subtle kind of
technique that is just so there's what we always talk about,

(19:39):
the wonderful freedom that comes with voice over. The again,
not caring how you look. It doesn't matter how you look.
It doesn't matter if you're wearing makeup, it doesn't matter
where you're standing, it doesn't matter. You know. It's like
you just you just get to act with a microphone.
It's pretty and some of the best actors in the world.
And when we're doing voiceover that isn't macap when which
I still don't think. I really think that mocab needs
to be considered like that's on camera. I really still don't.

(20:05):
I still don't understand why the contracts are so much
closer to voice over contracts. But that's a whole other
thing about well because nobody, because because video games don't
make any money, um, none at all. It's really just
for the love of the art. Um, that's what the
company do. But anyway, I digress. UM, I feel like, um,

(20:26):
unless you're you're doing because I was making so many
jokes on top of one. Will Will, it's Will know
I do it. Will and I both do this. That's
why we get along. So sorry, I didn't even I
didn't remember that Christie was here. Um, I just yeah, exactly,
But how could you I'm kidnapped, you know you're talking
about unless you're doing. Unless you're doing mo cap, you

(20:47):
do have the freedom of not having to memorize all
your lines, right, And while I have no problem memorizing lines,
I actually like memorizing lines. I like having it in
my bones. There is a certain freedom knowing that I
can come in and I'm not gonna have to I'm
not gonna have to worry about any kind of memorization
or screwing up because it's right here, So that part

(21:07):
of my mental energy I can take that energy back
and put it towards the creative process, because chances are
also while you're doing that, while you're while you're recording,
someone in the booth is gonna be like, oh, I mean,
someone in the control room is gonna be like, actually,
you know what, We're gonna give you a red right now.
So you are completely free knowing that it's all going
to be off the cuff. It's all going to be
right there. Um, And I really, I really do love

(21:29):
the freedom of that, uh, in a similar way to
how much I love improv and long form improve um,
which is why I love t t RPGs, which Will
and I are also very heavily. Oh man, she did it. Okay,
So Chris, do you want to take that transition? What's
it like being short? And oh my god, I actually

(21:50):
feel so dumb because honestly, look, she wrote a book.
Oh that's where you were going with it, that's where
you're going. I totally knew that's where she was going
with it all. Thank you. I'm glad see you. You
know I am fun sized and so are you. Thoughts
from a Tidy Human on living a giant life. It's
wide release was September twenty six and it was funded

(22:12):
through a Kickstarter campaign in five days. Because you know why,
because you do have so much love for you and
I bet you just have such a great fan base
from all the amazing work that you've done. Well. Again,
not to sound super cheesy, because I really do believe this,
but I have a really hard time using the word
fan because these are people, Because especially and especially with

(22:34):
a Kickstarter situation, like that's a community situation. That's the
thing where you've you've built a group of people that
you like to be with and around, and it's there's
not that much of a there's a separation just because
you know one person is creating the things and and
other are are participating in them. But it's very much
a symbiotic relationship, which we see so much when we're
at conventions, right, We see so much anytime you get

(22:56):
a chance to interact with people who have either played
the game you're in, or into the show that you're doing,
or or listen to the web series the podcaster, read
the book, there's there's definitely this this symbiotic relationship. It's
almost I always look at Kickstarter and stuff like that
almost like those are it's a community of producers. It's
like it's like they're producing this is a project they
want to produce with you in it. And that's kind

(23:17):
of how I look at it as opposed to like, oh,
it's fan made. It's like, no, that's it's not the
same thing. Yeah, And crowdfunding, you know, crowdfund And one
of the great things about crowdfunding in any form is
that it is proof that there's an audience for the
thing that you're creating, or if you're someone who's like
you know, because kickstarters sometimes people will do their products
there and there's proof that there's a desire for that product.
But what was so lovely about doing this through Kickstarter

(23:40):
is that, you know, I am fun Sized. The series
was a web series that I started in two thousand
seventeen as a sort of love letter to the online
gaming community and artistic community that I hadn't met um
in the in the like six months before that, pretty
much from from the release of Overwatch and then all
of these other things things that I started getting to

(24:01):
do with them and so being able to create that
for them and with them, I wasn't sure. You still
wonder like, does anyone really need a book. Is that
a thing do people care? So being able to do
it with Kickstarter is not just it's not just proof
that you can raise the money. It's proof that people
want the thing. That. Yeah, such a since this was

(24:24):
such a labor of love and it's so personal and
it's so um it's so very specifically in line with
what I consider my purpose uh in life, which is
just to help people find that it's cultivate enthusiasm, to
find that excitement about who you are and what you

(24:45):
want to do and the things that you want to
get regardless of where you are, regardless of who you are,
figure out what it is that is unique about you
and lean into it. And now that just because you're unique,
you are not alone. You are never alone. And so
having that that personal thing be something that people really
wanted to be a part of was like that alone

(25:07):
was was just incredibly special, and so doing the Kickstarter
was it was as fun as writing the book, you know,
I mean the nitty gritty of putting a book out,
and especially because I started my own publishing company in
order to do it, because I was frustrated with the
publishing industry. Um Uh, that nitty gritty part is where
the for me, the difficult part is. But the creation

(25:28):
and the sharing it and um and the you know,
doing the audiobook, it was just fun, fun, fun, fun fun. Now,
who did you? Who did you hire? Did you the
voice in the audiobook? Didn't you? I thought you did it?
That's who I told you? Like him? Fun sized? No?
I mean, I know, I knew you had the swagger
to be me, and I knew your Indian accent was

(25:48):
on point, so I figured, and there's nothing inappropriate about that. Yeah,
me doing a small Indian woman nowadays? Not at all,
not at all all right. So you we we talked
about the book, which everybody should go out and read
because it's awesome. And where can we buy that? Everywhere
you can. You can get the audio book is on Audible,
slash Amazon. You can also get the e book on
Amazon or Barnes and Noble, and you can get the

(26:10):
paperback on Amazon or if you go to stremely dot com,
slash Angeli Bamanti, you can not only get you can
get the book unsigned or signed, and a portion of
the proceeds will go to an organization called the Underdog
Community Project here in Los Angeles, which provides free veterinary
care to the pets of unhoused people here. Oh go
get that one. Go get that version, please go go

(26:32):
to streamely dot com. Also, the book itself, just the
experience of the book itself. I made very sure and
this is the main reason I ran the kick starters.
I really wanted this to be a high quality printed book.
So it's it's the It's just feels fun to read.
And the illustrations of Bivibrian trowing are just so freaking adorable.
So getting to have that in well you can see
behind me is just a part of my fantasy collection.

(26:53):
These are You need actual books, You need books, you
need an actual dude, I have, I have. I don't
want to turn this around so you don't say the
way the rest of my ridiculously and embarrassingly messy office.
But like I have those floating bookshelfs Now, I'm gonna
get some floating bookshelves. Okay, guys, I'm gonna from those.
I'm telling you, those are super easy, Christie, and they

(27:16):
make they look really cool. Okay, I'm going to turn
this round. You can they look they look like they're
in the Atlanta Four Seasons you have the Atlanta four
seasons like that. That's helpful, especially space. And you also
have a you also have the picture of of the
dancing people. I have that same one in my house.
Oh yeah, James, Dean and Elizabeth. Yeah, I don't. Actually

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you mentioned Overwatch, and I think we would be remiss
if we did not talk a little bit about the
Halo video games about about Overwatch, So sure, Hugh, I
mean enormous games and they Overwatch. It's I mean, I've
been at conventions with you, and it's insane the following

(28:10):
that these games have. What is it like to do
a game that you know? I mean, essentially you're going
into one of the best of the best when you
go into these kind of worlds. So what is it
like to you talked about mo cap What is it
like to actually record, for lack of a better word,
some of these games. Well, first of all, when we
started recording, none of us knew it was going to
be that huge, and that's a great place to come in.

(28:31):
It's just like going into a movie and not knowing
who your co stars are and then finding out this
person has like nineteen oscars, Like you better off not
knowing in advance. I knew going into this that it
was Blizzards, so you knew they don't do anything half asked.
You know it was going to be good, but none
of us. I don't even think the developers had any
idea just how big the game was going to be.
And again I really attribute that to the community, to

(28:53):
the way that they grabbed onto these characters in this story, um,
and obviously to the developers because they're the typically with
Overwatch and with several of the games that I've been
involved with since then, but this was the first one
that I experienced it with. They came in with a
very hopeful message and a hopeful view of the future.
It's a world worth fighting for. The world could always

(29:14):
use more heroes. There's this very much this sense that like,
even when there is trouble and dystopia and all of
that stuff in the future, there is hope as opposed
to it's a post apocalyptic world and we're all going
to die. Let's just kill zombies until we do. You know,
there's something which there's a place for that. There's something
very partning about about stepping into a game like that,
and then it's a collaborative game on top of it.

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But I really I what I love so much about
going into this in the first like, in the first place,
without knowing anything, is that it was very clear when
I first saw my characters Cemetra, it was very clear
that what they were trying to do with all of
these they were what they were doing with all of
these characters was creating a series of characters who are

(29:57):
not any one thing in terms of their full story.
They are a unique combination of all the things that
make them them. So it's not just the Indian one,
the Mexican one, the Brazilian one. It is okay, well
she's Indian, she's in stem, she's on the spectrum, she
has a background in Indian dance. Like, there's all this

(30:18):
complexity to this character, and there's all this comerplexity to
the things that they say and do in the game.
And when you're doing a first person shooter, it can
be very like not it's easy for it to be
not that deep. But they really took that and made
it so that there is someone or something because some
of the characters are not human, uh, there there is

(30:41):
some one for everyone to identify with in one way
or the other, whether it is in an emotional capacity
and experiential capacity. Your gender, your body type, your ethnicity,
your neurodiversity, whatever it is. There's something for someone for
everyone to identify with. And when you see the hero
that you identify with, there you see that depiction of

(31:03):
that hero that you can identify with, then you can
identify that hero in yourself. You can take that empowerment
and take it out into the world. And that's sexy.
That for me, is what storytelling and gaming really like.
That's that's where it becomes very powerful when everyone's experience,
when you when you have an experience where you're like, wow,
I feel seen. And if that is there and that

(31:24):
character is that powerful or that popular or just out
there in the world and the world is seeing it,
then I can be seen. Then I can feel confident.
Then all the things I think make me weird might
actually make me cool. I think that's a great way
of looking at it. It's also but it's also one
of those things that I love is when it comes
to the technology, that is it has now become the

(31:47):
video game. We are to a place where when video
games started, the character ran one direction. That was it
you kind of pressed the buttons and you did what
you have to do. You are now, for lack of
a better term, in control of your own destiny. So
there's something so cool about this world you can immerse
yourself in where it's up to you. That's it's like life.

(32:07):
You are and you have agency you. Yeah, this is
another reason why I think both with video games now
and with and with gtrpgs, I think there's something so
empowering about it. Because it's one thing to see a
movie or see a TV show or see a play
where someone is telling you a story. It's a whole
different thing when you are telling your story. I agree,
it's a whole different thing. And your identification and your

(32:28):
connection to those characters. I think that's why you know,
when we when we have those experience as a conventions
where lots of people are coming up and loving those characters,
it's because they feel like they're they are a part
of them, and they are a part of creating them.
They have a certain amount of ownership over them because
they are to them. They're telling the story as this
character that characters them for a short period of Now

(32:50):
I have to ask you a question, though, do you
I feel like there's becoming a bit of a I
don't know, it's it's a strange kind of uhum. I
don't even know the word I'm looking for. It's it's
a dichotomy that's happening in voiceover that doesn't translate to RPGs,
especially to something like the world of D and D

(33:12):
or something like that, which is and I think rightfully
so in the vo world, so vo is starting to change,
and I think it's changing for the better word. It's
becoming more open to people of color, to uh gender.
And back in the day, they would throw us in
a booth and it was like, you're gonna do five voices,
and it didn't matter if you're a woman, it didn't
matter if you're Indian, it didn't matter whatever it was,

(33:34):
which wasn't obviously the right way to do it. In
the world of the of D and D especially and
the kind of RPGs, it's all you're almost encouraged to
play outside of your box, to play, to play a woman,
to play absolutely play you know, a man for a man,
to play a woman, to play a character that is gay,

(33:55):
to play a character that might be transgender. It's encouraged
to almost because you're immersing yourself in the world. There's
an idea that maybe you'll get to walk a mile
in someone choose, even though you can't. I mean, nobody can.
But it's because I think the reason for that, well,
part of the reason for that is that with the

(34:16):
very few exceptions, when you're playing a video game, the
character has been created. Sure you right, so you are,
you are playing as that character. You don't necessarily have
control over what you get to choose, your avatari to choose. Like,
you know, some fifty year old guy could be playing
Tracer from Overwatch, and that's totally fine because it's that's
the character they're playing. But because when you're playing T

(34:36):
t rpg is because when you are creating these characters,
you are You are the character you are improvising in
their shoes. You are the actor. You're not just the player.
You are the actor creating this character. So unless people
when people are watching t t RPGs, it's one thing
because again you're watching it as entertainment. But when you
are actually playing the game, you are the creator of

(34:58):
your own world. You are the creator of that story.
But I guess I'm asking why, why do you think
that Paradixit paradox exists. Why do you think there's people
out there that are now saying, like, well, Nancy Cart
writes a woman she shouldn't be playing a boy. Well,
I don't agree with some I mean you you'll hear
it in places where men shouldn't be playing women when
should be playing men. So we are in a very
tricky time right now because while the movement towards inclusivity

(35:23):
and representation, inclusion is so important and it's so wonderful,
because we do want to see more than just the
same demographic that we have seen in all of our lives.
I think when we limit people to only limit stories
to only being told by the people who have lived
those stories, and limit characters to only being played by
the people who lived those characters, what not only are

(35:45):
we limiting the artistic creativity and freedom of people, but
the bad, the really awful outcome of that is that
the very people you are trying to create more opportunity for,
you're actually creating less oportunity for. You know, again, I'll
go back, I'll go back to Miss Marvel with this.
You know, there was a little bit of backlash because

(36:05):
some of the characters who were supposed to be Pakistani
were played by Indians. Never mind that historically Pakistani in
India were the same country up until but this sense
of if there is a respectful portrayal being done of someone,
if someone has done the resurge and is doing the
work to create a character, then do we really need

(36:27):
them to be exactly the character they're playing? Are only
one ethnicity allowed to play that? Are we going to
start doing it by religion? Are we going to start
doing it like what where does where does the line
get drunk? You know? And that's a really really I
think it's it can be a slippery slope because I
certainly am finding this in my own life, uh and

(36:48):
my own audition pool, particularly on camera, that it's becoming
narrower and narrower and narrower and narrower, narrower, and ostensibly
I am one of the people that inclusivity and representation
is supposed to be absolutely So that's fascinating. So that
puts a very that that puts a it's a slippery slope. Well,
I mean I think it's it's no, I don't think

(37:10):
anybody does yet. And I think it's one of those
things where you have time. Casting seems to be something
that is well, but I mean kind of, but it's
it's the thing that I think matters is everybody's I believe,
at least coming at it from the best intentions, which
is at least a good place to start. But that

(37:30):
but then that's where it then gets messy because you
do I always go to the hey, a straight actor
should never play a gay character. It's like, okay, but
then you're saying a gay actor can't play a straight character.
And there's a lot more straight characters out there that
need to be cast than there are gay characters, and
you're then taking an entire pool of talented gay actors

(37:53):
out of the mix. So we're to figure it out. Yeah,
we're all trying to figure it out. Like you said,
the intentions are the best, and I think I think,
really where the power to either destroy or create in
this in this circumstance really is in the hands of
the audiences, because usually I find that the outrage for

(38:15):
a miscast comes from the audience more than it does
necessarily from the acting, pay of the producing and whatnot.
And sometimes you look and again it's like sometimes you
look at it and you can't explain why, but you're like,
you know, that's wrong. And sometimes there's a there's a
like is it you know, like there's it's it's it's

(38:36):
it's what did that? What did that? One? That? One
Supreme Court judge say that the famous thing about pornography
is I I can't describe it, but I know it
when I see it. It's that it's that same kind
of thing. But that's why I mentioned role playing games,
because it seems like people should almost look to that
world because it's so inclusive and so get you know,

(38:58):
do what you gotta do. You want to play well men,
play a woman, you want to play a man, play
a man. You know, by the it seems like when
you make them so outlandish with something where it's like
they're from their elves, so then you can use them.
That right, there is the key that's your entree. And
that's because it is a fantasy. Because because you are
a gnome or an elf or an orc or a

(39:20):
you know, we're already encouraged to think outside our own experience.
We're already and and what's extra cool about that is
that while you're encouraged to think outside your own experience
you are also encouraged to explore your own personal understanding
of yourself, of humanity of people in sociology. This is
why I love science fiction and fantasy because each one

(39:42):
of them is just reality adjacent enough that we can
talk about the hard issues without necessarily like breaking ourselves out,
for lack of a better term, you know, sci fi
is fantastic at dealing with socio political issues, dealing with also,
like I look back at the Expanse as great example
of that, you know, because the Expanse came out and

(40:03):
in that future, okay, well there wasn't racism, but there
was planetism, you know, so there was we were still
deeply were still dealing with the same innate struggle in
humanity between these you know, for lack of a better term,
good and bad sides of us. But it was just
a different set of plot points. But because it was
reality adjacent, because it was set in a not so

(40:23):
distant future, we were able to be as viewers just
distant enough from it to look at look back at ourselves,
take it in, and we could take it in and
not feel like, well, they're saying I'm an a whole,
Like no, they're pointing out these potential these potential you know,
potholes or whatever you want to consider potential parts of
our experience as living beings that are a challenge and

(40:45):
that need to be dealt with. And I love that.
Have you read Ancilliary Justice? So Ancilliary Justice is by
a woman named and lecky Uh, and it is an
amazing sci fi story that when I first heard about it,
I was like, Okay, what is this going to be like?
Because this and she wrote this years ago. It's written
without gender, so it's it's a sci fi story where

(41:08):
the characters you don't there's no gender attached to any
of the characters. And at first you're like, how is
this going to work? And then it just sucks you.
It's amazing. And this is where circling all the way
back to the power of storytelling in any form. This
is why I love all of the different forms that
we can do it in, because no, just like no
one person should be the representative of their entire demographic,

(41:31):
no one medium needs to be the representative of the
best way to start agree. Okay, so then when it
comes to um somebody who made listen to our podcast
is extremely passionate about voice acting and the world that
you know they would work in where it's mostly them
behind the scenes, I think, but would you encourage them

(41:54):
to try different forms or would you just say, look,
if that's what you're passionate with, than just really lead
into that uniqueness of who you are, or I say, hey,
push yourself, get out of your comfort zone. It will
deep in your experience. Well, I always think get out
of your comfort zone. But you can do that in
multiple ways, right, even though I have my hand in

(42:16):
a exilient different things because that's that's what I've enjoyed.
It hasn't been from the beginning. I started in theater.
That was my way in, and then another lane opens up,
and you tried that, and I tried that, and then
another lane opened up and I tried that. So it
wasn't just me being like I just want to do
everything from the very beginning. You have have to have
somewhere that is your entree to something. So for a

(42:36):
lot of people, I suspect that there will be people.
I know that there are people who have gone into
voice acting and suddenly been like, you know what, maybe
I want to do play or maybe I want to
do on camera. Now that I've experienced storytelling in this way,
I wonder what it would be like to do X,
Y Z, you know. And that is again a function
of pushing your own boundaries, combined with finding a love

(43:00):
of storytelling that you didn't maybe necessarily know you had,
combined with realizing, oh, well, this medium is awesome for
this reason, but this medium is awesome for this reason,
and I kind of want to scratch that itch, so
let me jump over there and see what I can
do with that. And so it's like a mixture of
like listening to your inner voice, your inner artistic voice,

(43:20):
and then also um yeah, just not being afraid and
being really I'm not saying no for lack. I mean,
like obviously you say no to things that you don't
really want to do, or or that ethically you don't
feel just don't feel aligned with or whatever. But um,
while I jumped into the theater and I loved it,
I never in a million years, like I can't remember

(43:41):
a single time in my life being like, well, I'm
not going to do that medium because snooty makes Neuterson me.
I don't think that that's good enough. No, It's just
it was just an exciting new opportunity to try something new,
and I think you do throw yourself in completely to
the one that you the one that you love, and
you stick with it. But I don't have to be

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And I would argue you really shouldn't be singlemindedly focused
to the point of a meeting anything else. You can't
have blinders on in that way, like stay focused, but
don't stay closed. I agree, A wonderful way, such a
good mentor that's a wonderful way to get us to
our next little segment here on I hear voices, So

(44:22):
of course we are. We are once again going to
go across the garden. So for Angelie, I think you
know that we are bringing in an amateur voice over
actor who is going to get a chance to come
and play with us. And this is of course leading
up to our very awesome Uh jeez, what was the
name of our contest again, Christie? I can never remember

(44:43):
the name of it. Again, Christie, I can't remember what's
it called. What's it called, super amazing contest to become
the world's next voice It's the super awesome Contest to
become the next big voice actor. Of course, it's coming up.
She was she was close she was close. As my
brother used to tell me, close only counts and horse

(45:05):
shoes and hand grenades. So um, yes, well that's nice. Um.
We are, of course, uh bringing in our special guests.
But yes, we will talk more about the super awesome
contest Become the Next Big Voice Actor, which will be
launching very soon. And uh, somebody out there is going
to get a chance to have a career. I you know,

(45:27):
you win some pretty incredible things, including a one year
contract with a major voice over agency. So you are
going to get a chance to actually come out here.
That is just one where that is just one of
many of the prizes we have. You are also going
to be flown out to Los Angeles. You are going
to get to record some stuff for my heart. Uh.

(45:50):
There is some pretty incredible things that are going to
be happening. And there's also a couple of things we
are not allowed to mention yet, but we'll be mentioning soon.
And Angelie, when I tell you what they are off,
I'm around, you are going to freak Ali everybody. I'm
Tyler Florence and I'm Wells Adams were the hosts of
the new podcast Two Dudes in the Kitchen you might
be asking yourself, why do these guys have a podcast?

(46:12):
Because we love food. You and I have known each
other for a while. We've got a chance to click
together on television on Food Network back in the day,
and uh, I gotta tell you, there's no two better
guys are more equipped to take you guys on a
journey through the kitchen. It's all about great recipes, it's
all about connecting with fantastic techniques and having a great time.
Why you're doing it. It's a podcast for you, for

(46:33):
you to call into, give us your feedback, and we're
here to answer your questions and kind of get those
kitchen burners fired up. I got a lot of questions
just because I'm not nearly as good of a chef
as you are. So I'm gonna be asking you a
lot of questions, and you guys out there can ask
him as well. It's gonna be a lot of phone
We're gonna learn a lot and you know what, most importantly,
we're gonna eat good. We're gonna eat good. Man, eat
good in the neighborhood. Man, We're here for you. Listen

(46:54):
to Two Dudes in the Kitchen on the I Heart
Radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts.
We've got Zach with us today. Now I have to
say something about Zach. So we have been unfortunately going

(47:16):
back and forth with Zach where we've had guests that
have had to cancel me very busy guests because they're awesome.
And so Zach is back with us, uh finally and
has been waiting and waiting and waiting so patiently to
come and play across the garden, which, of course we
uh know it's our wonderful characters. Ricky and Mocha are

(47:38):
still trying to get across this little garden to get
to the mall so that Mocha can see her boyfriend.
These are stories and characters we came up with in
two seconds, Angelie, and we have ever regretted it ever since.
So you are going to be Officer Johnson, and uh,
Zack Chisholm. I think I'm saying that correctly is going

(47:58):
to be Officer Taylor. Um. I these every week and
they are absolutely getting weirder and weirder. So I apologize
for the strangeness of this episode all the way around.
I mean, I'm here for it. I'm here for it
and are you guys you guys people. Yeah, no, Ricky
Lokar mice across getting across and there's Zack. Zach is back. Yes,

(48:28):
we're here year and it's official. And we've got now
two people in l A and two people in Texas.
So before we jump into across the car and Zach,
which we're of course going to do, and you will
be playing Officer Taylor um very quickly. I hear you
like to try to voice match ron Stoppable. I try.
I'm being so let me hear your best ron Stoppable.

(48:49):
All right, So the best one that I know is
Wayne Rufus is like crawling inside Ron's pocket. Okay, and
I got my cargo pants mash to go and that's
pretty good. That's that's pretty good. That's pretty good. He
had the the the sort of the higher register of

(49:10):
he and he's got you gotta get a little more
zal to get up there with mast Derek go the nacko.
That works nice. So we're going to jump into across
the garden and uh, I think, if if memory serves,
the last time we we saw Ricky and Mocha, they
were coming off of a pirate ship. I think is

(49:32):
what happened or did we or were they coming off?
I thought it was I thought it was the Psychedelic
Mushroom Trip, but that might have been the year. I
can't remember. Yeah, there was a mushroom trip, and then
it was the Titanic. Did we do the Titanic one?
I don't know. We're all over the place. That's where
it was. We were on Titanic last time. Yes, we
were on the Titanic the last time. I will be

(49:53):
reading the stage directions. I'm also Ricky and of course
Christie as Mocha. So we fade in exterior woods mall continuous,
a soaking wet Ricky and Mocha step out of the
lake and shake off the excess water. Look, I know
it's been like a while since I've been in the water,
but I think with a little work, I could get
my lap times back. I hate wet, for it always

(50:16):
smells like wet. For I swear, the first thing I'm
doing when I get to this stupid mall is going
to the saloon. Wait, the saloon or a salon, We'll
take whichever one pops up first. Where is the sun?

(50:37):
I could really use some heat right about now. Both
Ricky Mocha, look up to see the sun is being
blocked by the mall. Moca, they smile and hug. Did
they start to laugh? You're on. They turn and take
off towards the mall. They only get a few steps

(50:59):
when lights and side rs appear behind him, so they
stopped running and quote pull over to the side. A
little squad car pulls in behind him and to praying mantis.
Police officers step out. Uh, Mocha, you're not like holding anything,
are you? Are you? Of course not? The police unter up,
We like you almost going four miles? You think this

(51:21):
is um In the Anatolis race? What's a good racing analogy?
In the Anapolis works? You could have also said Daytona.
Both would have been acceptable race and analogy. If you
recall I actually started this entire conversation with the colloquial
where's the fire? The better analogy would have been to
stay with the fire theme. Fire analogy a little obscared. No,

(51:45):
that couldn't be argued that obscure could even more creative.
An interesting question, although an ashamed would make good fire analogy,
knowed me at the moment, you mean regards to the
situation or entirely in regard that this situation. Of course,
can you imagine if there's a fire analogy entirely I
would be under using. Okay, I don't understand what's happening.

(52:14):
I'm not sure they even know that we're still here.
The officers pay Ricky in moching, No mind me an
example a fire analogy that pertains to our current situation,
please a challenge? Okay, and I said where's the fire?
You followed it up with you must be headed to

(52:35):
a fill? Because Ricky turns around, Yeah, that doesn't really work,
because why would our feet be smoking if we were
going to a fire. He's right, m m to shame. Okay,
what do you is this actually happening? Okay, how about
after you said where's the fire? You said, um, anybody

(52:59):
hadn't air must be fast because they'd have to have
the marshmallows. A little bit woody, isn't. I'm also not
sure it reflects exactly what we were trying to say. Okay,
all right, well then how about I can take this anymore?
Can you please just give us our tickets and take

(53:22):
us to jail or whatever? Oh no, you're free to go. Yeahs.
We also like stopping people and asking them where they're headed,
using different colloquialisms that will be off, like the ether
and they turned to walk back to their cars in
the night while we're dressed like cabs white? Why why

(53:42):
are use that the car drives away a saloon first?
Definitely a saloon, yes, Zack, al right, really buddy, well
that one was really fun. See what it was. The
screenwriting is solid. Yeo really is man and he's so talented.

(54:07):
Thank you so much for joining us. Zach is nice
meeting you. You can follow me on the reel Chism
the real zac Chisum. Yeah, that's awesome. He was great.
And I love people that are so exciting to like
just do voice over and work and do cartoons. It's

(54:27):
just so great. Where can people find you? A Julie?
People can find me all over the interwebs. My my
handle in most places is sweet one with three ees
because apparently I'm the only Indian on the planet that
doesn't win spelling bees um, which is not true. I
actually want a bunch of spelling bees. When I was younger,
i won the fourth Radet spelling be because I played
Dungeons and Dragons because no other fourth Rader knew how

(54:49):
to spell vengeance night, I digress. I'm a spelling rebel,
so it's s W E E T A n J.
You can find me on Instagram, there on YouTube, there
on Twitter there if Twitter vides UH, and then on Facebook,
I'm Angelie BA money. And then you can also email
me at a front facing email address, which is a
Jelie at I am fun sized dot com. That's where
I taken questions for the UH for the web series.

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That's where I got a lot of ideas of what
to talk about for the book. So if there's ever anything,
if there's that's just that's for the role to you.
Send me your questions, send me your dog pictures. Please
send me your dog pictures. UM. And then and then
just dog pictures, puppies, puppies and steppes and everything else

(55:34):
looks like keep that to yourself, fair enough, UM. And
then yeah, please please please do if you get a chance,
pick up the book, check out the web series. I'm
not just saying that because it really is something that
I feel strongly about, UM Sharing with the world and
helping people realize that no matter what you're going through,
you're not the only one. You might be the only
one with those plot points in your story, but you're

(55:56):
not the only one who's felt the way that you felt.
There's always someone out there, either to be helping hand,
to crack a joke for you, to be a shoulder,
to cry on, to cheer you on, whatever it is.
There's someone out there, including these two awesome people who
are doing something so cool the voice over community. I
think it's so so fun. We love it and we
were so happy that you came here. And it's again

(56:16):
it's I am fun sized and so are you. Thoughts
from a tiny human on living a giant life. Go
pick that up. And again, if I have any any
say about it, go pick up the copy on streamely
where then some of it is donated to help animals,
which is awesome. Um, plus you want to have a
real book. And Julie, we gotta see each other soon
because we need another hot tub sash. We definitely need

(56:37):
another hot tub sash with or with house bouses. I mean,
who knows. Um, we went there, I went there, you
didn't I did it? Yeah, we got a story. We
got it was a good story. And uh, and we
we have all all other stuff. We have to talk
about too. So I'm glad we're in each other's lives
and we still are. And thank you and coming and playing.

(56:59):
Thank you so legend. It's so lovely to meet you,
Christie n nice to meet you too. I hope to
see you in a hot tub suit. Now. All right,
love to you, take care, guys, Bye bye. She is amazing.
She's nuts, isn't she. I can't do she's so thank

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you so much for bringing her on. Yeah, she's the best.
She's got that energy. She loves everything she does. Um
is it just a consummate actor, That's what she does.
It's like she gives, you know, I always think, but
Bill Daniels told me is like an actor acts, you
take every opportunity to act, and she is the epitome
of that. It's unbelievable exactly. I she really did illuminate
a lot of things for me and what we were

(57:42):
talking about in our intro and and it was so strange,
it was almost like she had been listening to it.
But the concept of storytelling in all the different mediums
and using your voice, which is what we originally talking about. Like,
I think she's just such an icon in terms of
her approach to a healthy relation ship to your Yeah, well,
I loved her analogy was one of the best analogies

(58:03):
I've ever heard about. How she loves speaking French, she
loves speaking Spanish, and they're they're too completely language, different languages,
but they come from the same route. So it's uh yeah,
it's a great analogy and a great way to look
at it. So thank she's amazing. Thank you for joining
us one, thank you all for joining us, and uh yeah,
just remember we will be getting more into the I'll

(58:24):
do it for you, Christie the super Awesome Contest to
become the next Big Voice Actor. Super Awesome Contest to
become the next Big Voice. Yes, uh, and I did it.
I'm starting. You're getting there, You're getting there, and uh
it's awesome. We were gonna be We're gonna be announcing
a lot more very soon. And what I mean very soon,
I mean very soon. We've been teasing this a lot.
It's gonna be a ton of fun. Uh, So we
will get there soon. Thank you all again for joining us.

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Thank you our guests, thank you, it's good to see
you again. Christie. I love I love you too, and
just remember everybody if you think you got what it
takes to step up to the microphone, put your voices
where your mouth is. Thanks everybody. I Hear Voices as
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