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February 20, 2023 29 mins

Will and Christy welcome Diamond White to the pod! Diamond dishes on her new show “Marvel’s Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur” with a character she refers to as “the type of superhero she needed as a kid.”

Plus, Will and Christy give an update on the contest.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Christy, Oh, hey Will, How are you pretty good?
You know? I'm I lost my voice recently. It was
really weird. Did you where did you find it? Again? Um,
that's such a trick question. How did you lose? Will
get started? How did you lose it? I'm saying, actually

(00:21):
the last I think it was the last episode that
we did, or the last time we spoke, you were like,
you sound pretty rough, and I was. And I think
it's funny to me, how like, as as voice actors,
your voice tends to be I don't know about you,
but for me, my voice has always been the first
thing to go. Yeah. Mine lately has been if I
get a cold or something, it goes right to my

(00:42):
throat and it's it's I'm always going to you know.
It's one of those kind of things. So I feel better.
You sound better, No, I'm on the men for sure,
you know I think, Um, I definitely am. I am
grateful that right now. I'm not like in production for anything,
because that would be scary. But I feel like so
much of your essence as sort of a performer or

(01:04):
a creator or whatever, it relies on people knowing it's
you from your voice, and and so it does kind
of like it hurt me. It hurts me, like when
I lose it, I take it for granted, you know,
and then when it's gone, I'm like, I get a
lot of anxiety about it. But otherwise, well, other you're
a singer, a voiceover actor, and a podcaster. So what

(01:25):
do you need your voice for? Yeah, that's that's important.
So one thing we do have to talk about, and
then we're gonna get into our amazing guest today. Um,
and we are very lucky to have this person with us.
But our contest, the super awesome contest to become the
next big voice actor. We we're expecting a good response.

(01:47):
We really were. We were expecting to have a number
of people enter. So with our partnership with Critical Role
and with Prime Video, we were expecting that the word
was going to get out there. But I don't think
any of us expected this. We got thousands of submissions.

(02:08):
We are absolutely blown away by the response we got.
It is so cool. I'm amazed, Christie amazed, I'm very
I'm very heartened by it. I feel like, um, social
media can be so great to get the word out,
and I think that we were able to do that
in a very short amount of time. And so whether

(02:29):
you told a friend, or you sent you know, sent
it to somebody, or you just took a chance, we're
really proud of you. You already did it. You already
you know, made the first step. So congrats to that.
We're truly overwhelmed at the response. Uh and and really
excited to start. So, speaking of excited, can you tell
us a little bit about who we got today. I

(02:50):
am so excited about today's guest because she just is
so fabulous. Um, Diamond White is the voice of Lunella
Lafayette and she is the next big thing. And it's
really exciting that I hear Voices gets to have her
on because we have just the best guests. We really do,
we really do. And her show is just dropped on

(03:13):
Disney Channel and Disney Plus. It's gonna be huge. So
I'm glad we got her now because I'm guessing a
year from now, um, she's not even gonna know who
we are or want to have anything to do with us,
because she's going to be a huge, huge, huge Yeah
she's too nice to do that, but she's still gonna
be a huge, huge, huge star. And I'm so glad
that we got a chance to talk to her today.
Who is it, Christie, it's Diamond White. Hello, Hello, how

(03:36):
are you? Hello, Diamond? How are you? How are you doing?
Thank you so much for joining us today. Of course
I'm sorry. I'm just once again, this is like the
ninth time I'm going through your bio because it's so long.
We've done so much stuff. This is amazing, it is.
And seeing some familiar names, right, seeing Phineas inferb and

(03:59):
a bunch of Disney some very cool stuff. Well, we
did Transformers Rescue Butts together but didn't meet. We did
Girl Meet together, but didn't meet. So there's a ton
of things that we've we've we've crossed over, but never
actually met each other and work together, which I find
very interesting. Wow, that's always how it is. Right. We
do have Steve Loder in common. Oh I love him. Yes,

(04:22):
we do too. He's a pretty awesome guy. He's a
great guy. Yeah, yeah, Steve. Steve was responsible for Kim
possible for us, so we were very excited to be
working with Steve. So how did you get into the world.
I mean, I know, obviously for for everybody out there,
they know you from X factor and all the kind

(04:43):
of you know, the the on camera stuff that you did.
But how did you really find voice over? Um? I
started with Phineas and Ferb when I was around twelve
or thirteen, and I started that playing Holly, the fireside girl,
and it was a small role, but it kept me
out in l A and then ever since then, I

(05:03):
just kept auditioning from one and more voiceover roles, and
then after that I book Transformers. Now do you like
doing video? Oh? Yeah, I love, but I don't have
to get ready out of bed. I can do it
from my home studio and even when I'll go into
the studio, I can be in pajamas and you know,

(05:24):
it's fun. Did you grow up watching cartoons? Um? I did.
I grew up watching like Kemp Possible in The Proud
Family and a couple of other cartoons. But yeah, I
did grow up watching a lot of animation. I always
wonder about the folks that were growing up watching you

(05:47):
know that era of animation. I feel like it was.
It was so unique and even like now that Steve
is working with you, UM in this amazing piece, it's
it's it's interesting to me if like subconsciously there were
influences on your sort of take, or if maybe there weren't,
in which case we're very always interested in I hear

(06:09):
voices about your inspirations and like how you've come to
understand character work and stuff like that. Well, for Lunella,
I mean, I've always had an animated voice. People have
always told me, like, you sound like a cartoon. Like
that's a compliment. My voice hasn't really aged since I
turned twelve. It's always kind of been the same. Um.

(06:31):
I think some people have just met for voiceover work,
and I think that I'm one of those people. Were
great on camera too. There's some people like me where
we have the face for voiceover, but you work, you
work perfectly for the on camera stuff too. Um. So
can you tell us a little bit about the new show. Yeah,
this show is basically about Lunella Lafayette a k a.

(06:53):
Moon Girl and her partner Double Dinosaur as they protect
the Lower East Side of New York, the Elliotts. And
it's a super fun show. It's multi generational, so it's
for families and kids and adults, and it's really good.
It teaches you a lot about science and quantum physics
and um Basically, it's about Lunella. You know, she's not

(07:17):
only a superhero, but she is a young black girl
growing up, and it teaches you about a lot of
the things that young black girls go through growing up.
So it's a really important show. That's amazing. So, I mean,
you're not only kind of I think this is the
first time that we're ever seeing this character. So, I mean,
what does it like to join the Marvel world? Oh,

(07:39):
it's incredible. The show is complimentary to the Marvel universe.
So there are a couple of easter eggs in the
show that if you're really into Marvel and stuff like that,
you'll see. Yeah, he is, I'll find if they're there,
I'll find him. My promise, will raise his hand. Roy.
That's me, that's me. I'm nerd and proud of it.
So I'm sure going to find all that stuff. Of

(08:00):
course I'm gonna of course I'm gonna watch it. I
know we are. So it's that you said that this
the Phineas and for when you were twelve, You're kind
of entry into the world. Kept you out in Los Angeles.
Where did you start? Um, what do you mean by that? Well, like,
where were you? Where you from I guess let's let's
start from there. I'm from Detroit, Michigan. Um, but my

(08:21):
mom put me in a bunch of singing competitions when
I was younger because I love to sing, and um,
I started off doing musicals. Actually, I started off doing
The Color Purple when I was around eight, and then
The Lion King when I was around twelve. Yeah, so
were you on tour with those shows? I was on
tour with The Color Purple and then The Lion King

(08:43):
was in Vegas. Okay, and you're twelve in Vegas? Yeah,
doing The Lion King. Yeah. I mean, we'll talk about
a place that is unlike anywhere else in the world.
Being in Vegas A twelve must be nuts. Yeah. I
didn't understand it at first. My mom loved it. She

(09:03):
loved being the casino. Okay, So I hate to do
this to you, but we do this to everybody. You'd
love to sing, you love to do on camera, you'd
love to do voice over. If you had to pick

(09:25):
just one to pursue, what would you take? I know, right,
I would take voiceover. It's really wow over. So you
can be so many characters, and a lot of those
characters sing Lunela sings okay, the theme song and all

(09:45):
of the other songs that are in the show. So
with with voiceover, I get to have a taste of
a lot of worlds. Oh that makes sense, okay, all right,
So then you m you did the you're doing the
theme song. That's actually really big. Um. A lot of
times people will confuse me for Christina Milian and I

(10:07):
have to make sure that people understand that very different.
We're very different. Kim did sing in Kim Possible a
couple of times. Um. But it's so good that you're
doing the theme song and then you're following up with
musical numbers in the actual piece. So what is that like?
I mean when there are they approaching you with original songs?

(10:27):
Like how do for people who don't know, um, do
they have composers? Is it's Steve that's writing the music?
Like who's writing the music and then giving it to
you to sing? Raphael Sadiq is, oh my gosh, producing everything.
And there was about two or three weeks where we
had an original song to do every week. So it's

(10:49):
a very musical show and the music is insane. It's like,
you know, they took a lot of inspiration from New York,
Like you can walk down the street and here every
different style of music. So they tried to make every
song in different genre, and you know, it's a lot
of different genres. It's a lot of fun and I'm
just excited to sing on the show. Oh, that's amazing.

(11:11):
So it's like a melting pot of sound in a
way to capture that's amazing. Yeah, I'm we're from Connecticut,
but Will and I both grew up going to New
York as like little kids and auditioning. They're kind of
starting there. Um, so the familiar sounds and smells of
the well it has, it has such a vibe. It's

(11:32):
it's such a just a city that's absolutely alive. So
to be able to capture that, or even just a
small piece of it animated every week is incredible because
the flavors of the city are just so rich and
explosive that that the idea of being able to animate

(11:52):
that is really really cool to me. Have you seen
any of the show yet? Yeah? I have. I've seen
a lot more more than the general public. But it's
a really cool show. There's music, there's even the art
was inspired by like bossciatt and um thanks see. And
just like a lot of the New York um graffitiers,

(12:16):
the show is very authentic to war and a lot
of the spaces you see in the show are based
off of real places in New York. Thanks to Steve
lauder Um. Yeah, he really did his research on this
and wanted it to feel like an authentic New York show.
So it's it's pretty cool. I don't know. I just
I wonder if Steve has ties to New York? Does
he or did he just like do what he needed

(12:37):
to do to create the world really rich. I want
to say that he grew up there. I feel like
he has an accent. I feel like Steve, we just
had him, We just had him on the show not
too long ago, and I remember him. Yeah, he has
a little bit of an accent. I'm gonna ask. I
think he's also one of those guys who's just very
obsessive about making things look right. So you know, he

(13:00):
whether he grew up there or not, I can't remember,
but you know that he did all the research to
make sure that everything is perfect. And that's the things
that I love, especially when it's said in some place
like New York like a place like New York, Chicago, Detroit,
l A. These places have their own vibe to them,
and when you're going to make that a character on
the show, you've got to make sure you're doing it justice.
So I'm guessing you're really going to be able to

(13:21):
see New York for New York, which is awesome. And
then we're my girls are really interested in science. And
what I love about this in terms of Lunella uh
sort of engaging with STEM and quantum physics, is that
I do think it's such a wonderful message to send
um how sort of like you can be independent through um.

(13:42):
You're through science and your own means and like figuring
it out for yourself. And I love seeing that. And
as a parent, that's just such a great message to
send to kids, you know. Yeah, Lunela is one of
the smartest superheroes in the Marvel universe, so of course
her big brain, she loves to get into quantum physics

(14:04):
and science and math, and it is a really good
message for younger girls to pick up. And I it's
a show that I like needed when I was younger,
so it's cool to finally see it come to life.
And see all of the amazing things that Luella brings
to the table. It's incredible. So you have to change
you want to see They say the change, just one

(14:26):
girl can make a difference. I love that. That's amazing.
So speaking of just regular you know, different animation, if
we always love to ask this as well, you get
to pick any character you want. Who's the ultimate character
that you'd want to play, not just in Marvel, not
just anything, anything you want. Um, I would love to

(14:47):
play Catwoman. I think that she's very cool. Um. I
love seeing Holly Berry play her and even and like
they had a show the Gotham Shows, really seeing play her. Um.
But yeah, I'd love to play Catwoman. Um. I love
a good Harley Quinn. Yes, of course. I love that

(15:09):
you're Batman characters, which is my that's my jam So
that's my favorite thing in the world. So just hearing
the DC Batman stuff is the greatest thing in the world.
I love that. Yeah. Yeah, there were two characters that
I would want to play. But if there was a
character that I would love to have Vuonella meet and
kind of playoff of, it would be Spider Man. Oh yeah, well,

(15:30):
and that could totally happen to. That's the joy of
the universe. Yeah, especially especially because Disney Channel has like
they're they're spiky team animation happening, right. I know they
too much. They just love to that. You love to
keep everything in the family. I mean those the crossovers
are the best part. And you're just wondering who's gonna
come where and who's gonna do what, and um, yeah,

(15:52):
I think that's very very Disney smart. They're pretty smart
people over there for a while, like a hundred years
a hundred years to which is actually really cool when
you think about that. You get to be a part
of that moment too. Um. And I mean you've worked
with Disney for a long time, but I am curious,
what is it, Like, what does Disney mean to you? Like,

(16:13):
what is being part of like the Disney family, Like,
I mean, it's really cool. Um, I've been a part of.
My first bigger role that I had with the whole
Disney family was a part of the Lion King family
The Lion Guard, where I got to play Foully and
that was a show that I was like, oh my god,
we're a part of the Lion King kind of legendary thing,

(16:36):
and it's really I'm speaking out. We love your character,
but I'm just I'm really grateful to Disney for keeping
me in the family. I feel like every role that
they've given me or allowed me to have has been
really cool. And I just get to have fun in
the booth, and that's kind of all I'm here for.
It's just having fun in the booth, being a kid.

(16:56):
Keeping my kid dreams alive is the best. So you're
on Girl Meets World two, right? I played stage, so
I did. I don't think we ever worked together. I
think I was probably as I as I got there.
It's you know, I came very sporadically, so I don't
think we ever had a chance to actually work together.
One or two scenes. I was like the cool girl
in the bathroom, kind of giving advice stage stage. Let

(17:21):
me see what they did there. Oh, I love that.
I have one other question because we had Justin Guarini
on the show not too long ago, and he was
telling us about kind of the process of American Idol.

(17:44):
Could you walk us through just a little bit of
the process of of X Factor, because I mean, it's
such a juggernaut of a show. I mean, what is
it like? Um, well, I was about twelve. Um. I
went through a whole bunch of pre auditions before I
got on the actual like TV show and the show. Actually,

(18:04):
my first audition was edited to make it seem like
Simon was a lot meaner to me, and really that's
me as he was. He was very sweet to me,
but they edited it to look like he was like, Oh,
don't sing a doll and Adele was never on my
playlist of songs that I was gonna sing. Um. It's

(18:26):
a lot of editing, but it was a lot of fun.
I'm happy that I got to perform every week on
stage and I made it to top five, which is
that's huge. Yeah, I was just having fun. It was
more stressful for my mom behind, I bet, but I
was just having fun on stage and learning all these
new things. It was. You know what's really funny is

(18:48):
that Justin actually was doing um was going to do
and then eventually did right around American Idol Lion King
as well. Oh wow, but pretty play I was, well
he turned it down. Remember I forget who they offered him,
So he was he said, he literally got there. He
got to the American Idol studio and he was looking
at the stage. What he all he wanted to do

(19:11):
was be uh, be on line King. He just wanted
to be in Lion King. He just wanted to be
in the Lion King. They kept rejecting him. They kept
rejecting him. He goes the auditions for American Idol. He
gets he finally gets through. He gets onto the stage
and he says, the day that he's supposed to go
on the stage, they call and say, we'd like you
to come and be in the Lion King. And so
he said, I had to look up and decide what

(19:32):
I wanted to do. We don't think our producer just
clicked and said, we don't think. He told us what
role it was for. But I'm looking at him like,
was it mufassa? I forget. But he said, so I
had to sit there and and decide what I wanted
to do with my life. And he said he ended
up choosing American Idol, which was the best decision he
had made. But that's all he wanted to do was
Lion King. Um so it's uh, one of my goals

(19:53):
is to go back and play Big Nala nice. Okay,
I feel that because so much so. Okay um. One
of the questions I have to ask because it's another
show that I did and it's very, very close to
my heart. Who did you plan Rescue Boats? I was
Francine Green Okay, it's so funny. Never never getting a

(20:15):
chance to work together. Were you in the booth with everybody?
I was, I'm Bumblebee, yeah, bump, I'm Bumblebee. Goodness. Yeah.
We had a couple of sessions where we were all
in the booth together. I mainly played along Ellen okay. Uh.
He was the younger kid. Uh. I can't remember the

(20:40):
name of the character, but I played along Elon. It
was the two younger kids, always going okay each other.
But there were a few um times where we had
all the robots in the room. But never I didn't.
I never let you. Yes, I was Bumblebe. My best
friend Jason Marsden was also on. He's a great boy.

(21:04):
But yeah, but I got to play Bumblebee for many
years and my voice would just be down here, let's
let's rev up and roll out, and it was just
a ton of fun. It was so fun to get
to play a transformer. It's just such another but that's
the thing I mean you're now when you look at
the I mean the huge shows that you've been involved
with and the companies you've been involved with, from X

(21:26):
Factor to now Marvel to the Transformers to Phineas and Ferb.
I mean you've been kind of upper echelon since you started.
That's that's a pretty phenomenal career, especially voiceover wise. To
just come in at the top and stay there is uh,
pretty impressive. Thank you. I didn't do it on purpose.

(21:50):
I've kind of been hanging out up here, I guess,
and thing that it continues to stay there. That's spoken
like a true actor. Oh, I've been doing all this
good stuff and I just want to keep going. You
just want to keep going, keep going, keep going. That's
so funny. That's so funny. So when the show is
We've got Marvel's Moon Girl, Um, we are so excited

(22:14):
because it's Christie your kids. Yeah, I mean, this is
the next big thing, you know. It's like it's so
fun to get behind something like this for the obvious
reasons of having an amazing cast, having an amazing you
know crew that we know intimately right, Um, and we know,
like we said, we know that Steve and his crew

(22:35):
and anyone he is working with have such a vibe.
They put so much of theirselves into this that I
already know that watching watching this is gonna be it's
gonna be transformative. It's gonna be really unique. And Raphael
Sad doing the music so cool. So yeah, So we've
got Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. It's available now
on Disney Channel and Disney Plus. This is a whole

(22:58):
new look and and um focus for the Marvel universe.
It's really really cool. As as Christie said, this is
the future. This is where it's going, and it's going
to some very cool places. Uh so we absolutely can't wait. Now.
I know the way that this business works, you're not
normally there's a lot of things I'm sure you're doing
that you're not allowed to talk about. How the business

(23:21):
always works, especially with voice over actors. You're always like,
I've got nine things I can't talk about yet. Is
there anything you can tell us about that that you
have coming up that you would like to people who
know about Well, moon Girl has already been Greenland for
season two. Congratulations, thank you very much. Um, And there
are a lot of it gets really deep in season two,

(23:46):
and there are a lot of surprises. Um, that's okay,
that's okay, but you don't have to get in trouble.
You don't. We don't want. We certainly don't want. There's
a lot of surprises. Is to me, all we need
to know. I mean, every season cannot stay exactly the same.
Things do need to change a little bit, and so

(24:08):
that's that's so cool. Oh and she did tease the
Spider Man thing. I don't know, guys, I don't know
if there's going to be an that's something that I
would hope. That's yeah, she said she she didn't tease anything.
There's a crossover, so yeah, we would love that. We
would love that. There's a bunch I would like to
manifest some as well, just because it's so cool in
the world. And you're talking quantum physics, so of course

(24:31):
we're talking Aunt Man the Wasp, but we're also talking
the possibility of time travel. So maybe somehow ending up
with like a Tony Start crossover. I think there's plenty
of things. I know, there could be things going back.
I told you I'm a total nerd. There there could
be things going back to IM talking America. We're going.
We're going way back again. This is the joy of

(24:52):
the quantum physics is anything is possible. So I love
that so so much. Thank you so much for joining us.
Where can people hit you up on social media if
they want to follow you. I'm just at Diamond White.
That is all my tags. I love that smile. Diamond.
We are totally like here for you. We're excited for you,

(25:12):
We're rooting for you. My girls will be watching you,
and um, we're just really excited. This is really great.
Thanks for stopping on our little podcast here. Yeah, and
already a character walking around Disneyland. I know it's insane.
I didn't believe it when I heard it first. I
was it's crazy that you deserve it. Cool. Yeah, totally

(25:35):
totally cool. So once again, because everybody has to see it,
Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. It's available now. I'm
Disney Channel and Disney Plus check this one out. It
is You're gonna be getting in on the ground floor
of everything that is going to be happening in the
Marvel world. Because this is totally totally cool. Diamond, thank
you so much for joining us. We know you're really
busy with all of the press for this because it's

(25:56):
going to be a huge show, and we just really appreciate,
as Christie said, you stopping by our very little podcast
because we so appreciate you being here. Hey man, we
got thousands, thousands of contests, um applications right now. Briefly, Oh,
where we are. So we are in the middle of

(26:16):
a contest we have, which is apply named the Super
Awesome Contest to become the Next Big Voice Actor. That's
the entire title. And so we are America. You will
appreciate this as an X Factor contestant. We are essentially
American idol styling contest across the country where we are
going to find the next big voice over actor who's
an amateur and they signed with my agency and they

(26:37):
get to be the voice of our podcast and they
work with Emmy Award winning directors. Congratulations, thank you. So
we are gonna we're looking for a colleague for all
of us. So maybe someday you're going to be in
the booth with somebody that started by winning the Super
Awesome Contest to become the Next Big Voice Second. Yeah,
I mean that's kind of how I started. When I

(26:58):
booked the role for Lunell. It was just a wide
cast out audition and you know after that, I've booked it.
You guys have hope, but it is She's so talented,
she's amazing, and now you could be next. That's the
thing We're We're giving the opportunity. But at the end
of the day, Diamond had the talent to do it,
so we got to find the person with the talent

(27:19):
to back it up, which you clearly have. So again,
thank you so much for joining us break a leg
with the show and with season two already already announced.
Season two and we've heard, uh there are some awesome
surprises and it gets very deep, which means they are
already thinking long term with these characters. And I cannot
wait because I am here for that, you know, my
favorite thing in the world. So thank you so much

(27:40):
Diamond for joining us. Of course, thank you for having me. Guys,
have a great day. Alright, bye bye. Wow, she's I
mean you once again looking at the resumes of some
of the people that we have on our show. Um,
they she's just been crushing it and this new um

(28:02):
new show again plugging it again because I really can't wait.
I love any any of the kind of quote unquote
lesser characters that then they moved to mainstream. And that's
what happened the Guardians to the Galaxy. It was nobody
had heard of Guardians to the Galaxy and then boom.
So Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur is available now.
I'm Disney Channel and Disney Plus. I'm just excited to
be able to talk to somebody like Diamond because it's

(28:24):
such an inspirational story and somebody who everybody who listens
to this podcast should go and follow and watch because
this is what we're talking about, getting your shot and
grabbing it and not letting it go. Uh So, thank
you to Diamond again. Marvel's Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur
available now on Disney Channel and Disney Plus. And uh yeah,
go check out everything Diamond's done because she is fantastic.

(28:47):
And thank you Diamond for joining us. Um, your kids
are gonna love this show. Christie, you'd like, I can't
I can't wait I get to flex, man. Thank you
to this podcast for me to be able to flex
with all this awesome stuff. Oh that is so cool.
So thank you everybody for joining us. We will get
into this in the next couple of weeks, it's going
to get crazy. Just remember, if you think you guys

(29:09):
what it takes to do what we do, step up
to the microphone and put your voices where your mouth is.
Thanks everybody. I Hear Voices as hosted by Wilfredell and
Christy Carlson Romano. Executive produced by will Fredell, Brendan Rooney,
Amy Sugarman and Vicky Ernst Chang. Our executive in charge
of production is Danielle Romo, Our producer is Lorraine Vera Wez,
and our editor slash engineer is Brian Burton. And that
was my announcer voice. Some side effects of listening to

(29:32):
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and hugs. Follow I Hear Voices wherever you listen to
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