December 17, 2025 • 28 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open this midweek edition of the show discussing the league-shaking injuries to Patrick Mahomes and Micah Parsons... How does each affect the fantasy landscape rest of season? Then they start looking ahead to Week 16, previewing the marquee Thursday Night Football matchup between the Rams and Seahawks. Plus, producer Ian shares an unfortunate fantasy experience from this past week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Swollen doome find me at Dan Bayer on Fox and
you can find Ian at Ian Roddy Underscore. Interesting times.
Now my longtime league finally had the regular season come
to an end. We are in the postseason. Most leagues
started in week fifteen, guys, with some teams having buys,
usually six teams making the playoffs in the twelve team league.
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But ours is long and a long ago league with
only ten teams. We just have a two week playoff.
But we finally made it to the postseason. It is
also a time in Week sixteen where I know not
everybody is as interested as they were for the first
fifteen weeks of the season, because maybe you didn't make
the playoffs, maybe you're ousted in your first round. That's
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where misery loves company. Like here we are, and I'll
tell you what. There is a special feeling about week
sixteen and seven won't make the playoffs, or even if
you don't make the advance in your playoffs, Mike, there
is something about being in this group of people who
know the feeling of having that four and eleven season
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or four and ten season. We can all get together
and commiserate here and I want your flex.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh, that's the beauty of it is.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You know, no matter how much work you put into it,
in the end, you can be right for ninety five
percent of a game setting your lineup or us bloviating
in front of the microphone, and it takes one play
to blow it up. Right, we all have that guy.
For me as a kid, it was watching the Bears
bottle up Barry Sanders until they didn't. Right, that's the
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image all the times, like, eh, they got him again.
It's third and twelve. There he goes for a seventy
eight yard touchdown. You know, one of those kind of things, right,
like the raptors in Jurassic Park testing the fence and
eventually finding that hole and finding daylight. Hell, it was
that Henderson run this past week against the Bills. Right
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where he's behind. It looks like he stopped. Eh, takes
two steps backwards. All of a sudden he's got Drake
May out in front of a lead blocker. I mean
things like that. That all right, that takes my win
to a definitive loss. Or this week we talked a
lot about in the earlier episode, a lot about the
Joe Burrow No show. So while you got one hundred
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and thirty two yards from Jamar Chase Joe Burrow and
that performance eliminated a lot of teams.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, I I you know, I still remember a couple
of years ago, I had a trade from an owner
in our league. We had basically agreed on it, but
I just I held off. And it was for Brandon Ayuk.
And this is when Brandon Ayuk was wanted and liked
by the forty nine ers and by the way, vice versa. Yeah,
a good es in his part no longer the case
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in San Francisco. Maybe they like him, he just doesn't
want to be around them, whatever the case may be.
I said, let me see if there's something better out there,
and I went and I swung a deal for AJ Brown.
And I know I've been hard on AJ Brown before,
maybe it stems from him crapping out for me on
a playoff run, but those things end up sticking in
your memory. I remember having a fifty spot dropped on
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me by Jamal Charles in a playoff, but I really
remember the deals that I made in the players that
I had that knocked me out. And that's what's so
great about this, even though it's not great. It's the
highs and the lows. But my co worker, our co
worker who I work with on Fox, on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, Jason Stewart said to me,
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he goes, I got knocked out of my two leagues
in the first round of the playoffs. It's now week sixteen,
and for the first fifteen weeks, I've had something to
care about. Now I'm out of everything, and he goes,
I need to find something to get me excited about
these next three weeks as the regular season winds down.
And I have to say, I don't think that he's
alone in that feeling where people are like, all right,
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where do I turn now? What do I do crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Feeling, Yeah, I mean, plenty of plays.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's the beauty of the expansion of the internet space, right,
is that there are plenty of one league one week
contests out there, and you know the different things that
they're they're not sponsors to this, so I'm not going
to start naming them, but you know, you're over under
selections and whatever else that you want to go down
that road, certainly the gambling side of things, if you
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want to go down.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I think Joe Biden in the under No, I'm kidding
that graphic was but it was pretty goods Yeah, it
was funny, but it's that.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But it's that kind of thing, right you you know,
go play a daily game if you can wherever you are.
I mean some legalities come in depending on where you
live and you're accessing the interwebs from. But it's that,
you know, just trying to find a little bit of
juice for those final couple of weeks or if nothing else,
you hate watch the rest of the league that advanced.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Ian Roddy had five teams advance to the postseason. Five leagues.
You made the playoffs in all five.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well, not so fast, not so fast, man, I'm in
five fantasy leagues, all five of them. I made the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Awesome.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
This was a few days ago I was on cloud nine,
on top of the world. But this weekend I got
eliminated from four out of five leagues in round one
of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
So I'm only I'm only in one left and it
was the lead that I had a first round buy in.
So just just nightmare, nightmare week. I don't even know
if at this point I I just would have preferred
to have just not made the playoffs at all, because
it's just heart breaking.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
But it's it's still did the pulling of the strings.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Never was there any common though, Like was there one
player that you had on?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Jonathan Taylor in a couple of leagues. He's been quiet
the last few weeks. He still had thirteen this week, though,
so it wasn't like it was, you know, some all
on him or or Joe Burrow I have in a
couple of leagues, but he's been on ir anyway, So
it was really just just an unlucky bad week. I
don't it's not like I have the same team across
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all five leagues. It's just straight up bad luck. I
don't know who I was facing my opponents. Some I
lost by you know, two points. Some I got absolutely
blown out in it's just just yeah, the worst of
fantasy right there.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I find that almost impossible.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Like Gus, it's harder to do. No, sure, it's harder
to do than if I had won every league.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I like to to go to and three. Like, Honestly,
if I was you entering the week, I would say,
all right, worst case scenario is I'm knocked out of three,
and so I have two left and hopefully one of
those two get me into a championship game. And now
I think you don't even have Week seventeen promise to
you in a championship or you know, it could be
a possibility where you could be out. I don't know
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if you have a third place game or whatever the
case is. But to maybe not have that opportunity and
think that it actually maybe more of a long shot.
It's crazy to think that you had four teams ousted
out of the five.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
So if you're having a bad day, just just remember
that that happened to me this weekend.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Well, let's just hit the rewind, right, the three of
us participated, Dan, you set up the Guillotine League a
couple of weeks ago. Our colleague Brandon Deutsch, right does
editing and producing, and he was in the league and
he had the convergence of I mean you looked at
the roster going, how might I'm eliminated? Because there's no
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way I'm passing that. And then he had like four
of your top five players in the game and they
all had historically bad weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, right, what was it?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Ra Saint Brown? The game he got hurt, our old
friend Justin Jefferson, I think was part of the mix, sure,
and just on down the line, whatever the convergence was.
I just remember looking at the roster before going wow,
that's a tough one to climb. And then as the
day wore on, it's like, all right, who's on that
roster again? Like did I did I read it wrong?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
It's like nope, that was it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And so it's it's that right.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You could you could build what looks to be the
perfect beast and you have the wrong week. What was
it three weeks ago where nobody scored or two weeks ago? Right,
I mean it was the ridiculous week with a bunch
of low scoring games. I mean, that's why they play
all to seventy two of these glorious things.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Not that not that people care about our Fox Sports
Radio Guillotine League, but we had a situation where we've
had teams, you know, earlier on in the year. The
SCO scores are lower, so maybe somebody just has an
awful week and they scores sixty two points. Whatever the
deal is. We had the entry this past week score
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one hundred and thirty one points and get shopped and
they weren't even close to possibly living. Mike, you actually
scored one hundred and sixty three. I was fortunate enough
to score one hundred and sixty two. And Ryan Berschinger,
the old producer of this podcast, had one hundred and
fifty four points. So you had to score over one
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hundred and fifty four points to stay alive in a
Guillotine League. This week again was and by the way,
nobody was playing Trevor Lawrence as their starter. No, right, like,
so like of the four teams that you have there,
you are taking the top of the top. But even
those other players that play in that's why, like Ian
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not doubling up on players or having you know, four
shares of a guy. That's crazy that it just didn't
even out for you. But I think that's to Mike's point,
that's what we got in week fifteen, when a couple
of weeks ago everybody just said it up stinking Now
everybody just ended up going off in a week. Man.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, the EBB and flow with the injuries in and out,
the you know, all of a sudden second quarter guide
departs or the game flow totally changes.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Right where all of a sudden, you're up twenty twenty
one nothing or down twenty one nothing is like game script.
All right, it's out the window.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I'm not going to see it.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I mean, I'm just looking at my guys. They all
had just kind of just met performances. No one was
horrible other than you know, Burrow obviously, and in that
league that I have him in, but Omari and Hampton
thirteen points. It's not like I lost because of him,
but obviously if he'd done more than that would have helped.
And Christian McCaffrey same deal, thirteen thirteen point fifteen points,
so same, Like he's one of my studs. I could
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have used a better game from him and maybe I
would have survived. But enough about me.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Well you made the right move. He failed you. That's
that's all it comes down.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, there you go, fault.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Kudos to getting five teams in the postseason. Absolutely talk
about workload.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Proud of it. But then you know, this is just
a terrible way to follow it up.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
But there's no way I could be in five leagues.
I could not. Well, I usually I usually pooh pooh
people and They're like, I'm into any leagues, and I'm like,
there's no such thing, And a couple of years ago,
it's like I'm not even in leagues. I'm in other
different contests and I'm having trouble following and keeping pace,
and I'm like, well, this isn't fun. This just ends
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up being wasted money that I'm just throwing away because
I'm not winning anything from it. So like, you do
really have to pick and choose. So good job on
you to be able to handle five teams and have
them be successful even if they got no It's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I used to have to play in a lot of
lead I have to, but Fantasy was really the bulk
of my job, virtually exclusively, And so you do a
bunch of leagues for magazines and whatever, and I was
in a ton of them and I did reasonably well.
But you're also at the point where you're watching games
and you almost had to have a giant color coded
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chart to figure out who you actually could cheer for
or against, what was what was the net of a touchdown.
It's like, well, it helped me in three leagues, it
hurt me in four, and in these three it did matter.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Okay, go how about this?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And like that's what you're doing with every box score
and every game you're watching on the giant grid. It's like,
that's no way to watch football. Like, just as a
person who loves the game, take the fantasy element out
of it, it just made for a miserable experience. Like
all right, I'll watch at the end of I'll look
at the end of the day, and now I'll just
try to watch the games. But the entire time, it's like,
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how did that affect me? How did that affect the
guy chasing me for a tie breaker or whatever else.
It's it's just a different way, and to navigate it
as you did, I mean, that's that's that's a lot
of work.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Been there, done that, Dan?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You reference all the different myriad ways to participate in fantasy.
It's a lot of time investment and a lot of thought,
a lot of long walks on the beach trying to
figure out which end is up and following the little dots,
because as we know, that's even more difficult now because
there's more gamesmanship in terms of how how long you're
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gonna wait before you really release that a guy's in out,
how limited they are.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
We talked about it with.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Josh Jacobs and the Packers you know, this week in
their game against Denver. Instead, he's running great routes to
the back of the end zone and make his circus catches.
So yeah, it's there's just so many variables to it.
That algorithm has grown year after year.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, I will say this, if you have, like Ian
five teams that made the playoffs, or seven teams or
six out of seven, six out of eight, whatever, we'd
always love to hear from you. Hit Mike Ip at
Swollen Dome. You can find me at dan Byer on
Fox or Ian at Ian Roddy Underscore. If you're able
to navigate your seasons like that, yeah, let us know
how you did. Coming up next, We're gonna let you
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know on who to play in the Week sixteen opener
between the Rams and Seahawks and Seattle with so much
on the line. And we'll also bring up a conversation
that we had recently and the controversy and how it
played out in Week fifteen. It's all next here on
I Want Your Flex. Before we preview Rams Seahawks, there
was some controversy and it happened in Houston on Sunday
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a week or two back. On an episode of I
Want Your Flex. We started talking about the different different
ways of scoring, and it was more about team defenses,
what is a return, what happens on a conversion return?
Just a lot of questions in gray areas, and Mike's
history and the sport shed a lot of light on it.
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And like we've always learned in fantasy football, you'll learn
something new every day. And in Week fifteen, we found
out that if you recover a fumble outside of the
end zone and carry it in, you may not necessarily
get the points that you thought you were getting. And
this all comes from the Woody Mars touchdown against the
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Houston Texans. Now, Woody Marks ended up leaving their game
with the Cardinals and had four point eight points to
his name and a full point PPR league if you
didn't count the touchdown that he scored on the amusing
air quotes here, guys, the fumble recovery on the snap
at the one yard line. This was big time conference traversy.
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Bill Simmons was even tweeting about it. I'm sure he
had Woody Marks in his lineup, but different sites were
not counting this as a touchdown run because they were
counting it as a fumble recovery touchdown. Now, most leagues
have that setting, but if your setting didn't have that setting,
then Woody Marks wasn't getting the six points in what absolutely,
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one hundred percent, Mike looked like a touchdown run.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, I'll it looked like a wildcat play with just
the quarterback as a go through like you were you're
going through the windmill on a mini golf course, right,
And yes, because it was a low snap, does that
count as a fumble?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Come on? That's you know what I mean? Like that?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
That's the thing to me, It's like, I've never seen
that in a scoring log when there's a bad snap
that bounces into a guy.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Who fumbled it technically too, is it Stroud or the center.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Right, it would be the center right.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I think they called yeah, they called it a team fumble.
I think was the official I think that was the
official ruling on it.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
It's not on any one person. We all bet, but
it's like we all know what the intent was. Like,
there was no no effort from Stroud to field the ball, right,
he was just standing there.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So like.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I did at one point think that it was maybe
it was a planned to play because I thought about it.
I'm like, man, how could you How could that get
through Stroud's legs and not not hit his hand or
hit anything. But Stroud said after the game, yeah, probably
was supposed to be a shotgun, and the center said
that he didn't feel Stroud under center, so just obviously
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chucked it back and by the way, heck of a
scoop by Woody Marks to take it and then just
not miss a beat and end up cashing in on
the touchdown. But for a while, like our Guillotine league,
it took a full day for it to cash in,
and I'm not sure how it cashed in on other leagues.
The ESPN site that in one of the leagues that
I was on, did count the touchdown, so that setting
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was marked off. But if you didn't have that setting
in your league rules, you likely weren't getting the touchdowns
scored by Woody Markin.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I sent the flare up to the folks over at Guillotine, going, hey,
need to address this. In prior podcast, as Dan alluded to,
I used to put in FAQs to explain scoring rules
and odd ball situations. You know, like, hey, here's the
Fueld goal, but like the first time that a Fueld
goal was short, but they sent a returner back there
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on a long field goal and ran it back for
a touchdown. You know, kind of explaining things like that.
It's like, well, it's essentially a punt return now, so yeah,
special teams defense got to point. In this case, this
would have been a foot Woody and an explanation. Do
you guess what you would have gotten?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Do you think that? Do you think this should be
any leeway? Like on a play like this, it just
so looked like a running play. Yeah, and in fact,
like the Guillotine site, they weren't scoring it, but they
were like direct snap the Woody Marks touchdown, like they
were calling it like a direct snap, they weren't calling
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it the fumble and it wasn't registering. Or do you
have to go buy the book for consistency on like
how the NFL and the official scores rule it, Like
how would you where would you come out on that?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well, I think it comes down to the to some level.
The way we've seen a lot of online sports books
handle things is that there's sometimes you know, variance right
where player leaves after two minutes. All right, they tried
to give it a go and they leave, And sometimes
a sportsbook will say, you know what, that's a no play.
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Let's just refund everybody's money. You didn't get the you know,
you had an over under of twenty point five points. Now,
obviously there's some potential shenanigans, as we've seen in the NBA,
expand that to all other leagues, but for the purpose
of the conversation, you know, you have an early exit.
Likewise football, Hey, the guy gives it a go, Say
roma Dunze goes out for one series, runs one route
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and he's done for the game. There have been sports
books that have then said, you know what, that's a nonplay.
It's like he's not he didn't start because you don't
want people to have a sour taste in their mouth
and leave and not come back to the casino. Likewise, here,
like to me, I wish the Texans would have sold
it a little bit more that that's now in the
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arsenal as a scripted play, because again without with Stroud
really not making a play to it, I was convinced
that it was just a straight wild trickeration play.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, i'll tell you what. Credit to the Houston media
who followed up with multiple people about that play, knowing
how how it was important for a lot of people.
It was important for leagues, and you're talking about six points.
It's not just was that a runner? Was that a
pass you know for one point seven? Or who got
the sack on this one? This was a touchdown that
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we all saw with our own eyes, and yes, common
sense prevailed, yea, And I hope that in your leagues
that common sense did prevail in Woody Marks got his touchdown,
but hey, controversy and then when it comes to the playoffs,
you know it's about ten times worse.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Well, that's just did because he would have been a
guy as an RB two or certainly a flex play
based on the expectations of a workload in that matchup.
But yeah, I mean I would understand is you know,
the league, the league provider if they took a stance,
but you need to message it quickly and as thoroughly
as you possibly can. And then once you set that precedent,
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you better stay with it. So if you go against
whatever the league's ruling is, the next time, it better
show up the same way, or you know you'll have
a bunch of heavyweights like us yelling about it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Well, let's get to the heavyweight bout between the Rams
and the Seahawks coming up on Thursday to start Week sixteen.
Sam Darnald and the Seahawks couldn't get into the end
zone the Rams. That's all they could do against the Lions. Well, score, score,
scorescre and score. But DeVante Adams not likely to go
for the Rams in that contest, at least at the
time of this taping. Seahawks offensive line could be banged up,
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maybe playing without left tackle Charles Cross. Mike, how do
you see these teams faring off on Thursday night?
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Forty four and a half is the total last I look, Dan,
so not expecting huge fireworks and I'm really not. I
got Stafford as a back end one. The fact that
you lose one of your big red zone components there
in Seattle's defense should be more than up to the tap.
Even though you know they had the nail bier against Indianapolis,
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It's not like they were moving the ball up and
down the field on them. So looking forward here obviously
a step up from Philip Rivers to Matthew Stafford. But
all of that being said, you know there's something to
be said a little bit of hey, just let's do
what we need you to get out of Dodge with
a short week.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Ahead and a big look ahead game kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Sam Darnell to me is I mean he's a no
fly zone mid to back end QB two.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I can't trust it.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Is he going to replicate what he did last time
in terms of interceptions? No, But I think the ceilings
much lower Along the way we already talked in the
previous about the run game for Seattle, there AREB three's
with upside right, and I mean the potential remains because
you do get the defense that might be able to
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because look, Matthew Stafford's been a bit careless with the
football of late as well. So you might end up
with a short field or two that give you an opportunity,
but can you bank on it. No, no, you can't.
As far as the run game for the rams, Kyron
Williams back end RB one Blake Korn would be a
flex flexible option for you along the way JSN top
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five as always set it and forget it Ronco style,
and Pukin Nakua is right there with him. He's a
guy that he'll make the case for number one. Because
as much as I love my Jamar Chase love, I'm
a little afraid of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
As we said.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So, yeah, two out of the top five there most certainly,
and then going deeper down the roster without without DeVante Adams,
and we assume as we record this that we're not
going to see him. I mean, I think that's kind
of the end of your receivers barter a play if
you're in a straight tight end league, no question. And
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we talk about Parkinson as well as a back end
in terms of the tight end position, trying to just
move the chains. But these ceilings for both of those
guys a bit lower.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, Barner had ten catches the last time these teams
got it was only for seventy yards, but I know
we talked to him about him on a previous episode.
I'm just curious on what happens because Seattle dominated it statistically,
but it's the Rams who got the win. So do
the Rams play better than maybe they did against the
Seahawks the first time around. You can't think that Sam
Darnold's going to turn the ball over four times. You
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would hope non if you're a Seahawks fan like me,
So the Rams aren't going to have that edge. Should
be a great football game on Thursday and excited to
see who ends up stepping up big time. But I
agree with you on the pass catchers Phoka and Akoa Is.
I don't want to say that you can't stop him,
but now without DeVonta Adams like he is going to
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be the guy, and he saw a majority of their
targets in their first matchup. And we know what the
Seahawks do with JSN, so the wide receivers will be
the story probably on Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Very excited is one that you know, I wish I
could flop it to Sunday night. Give them a couple
more days so you know, see if you can get
one or two more bodies up, particularly when you talk
about your offensive line there in front of Sam Darnold.
But you know, trying to or can we flex it
to week sixteen take out one of those Christmas Day
or week seventeen, yeah, seventeen, take out one of those
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Christmas Day games and put it there, because those games
suddenly don't look at nearly as attractive.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Way to go NFL and putting all your eggs into
the commander's basket, like we could have told you that
that was not going to not going to happen, mari Ota,
the home games in week seventeen of the home teams Commanders, Vikings,
and Chiefs. Have fun with that. One and only one
team right now is in the playoff picture of the
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six playing on Christmas Day, and that would be that
would be Denver. But no, it's fun. I'll tell you what.
It's a heavyweight tilt. I'm excited to see the Packers
and your Bears, Mike on Saturday night while it's looking
at the ESPN and their ticket link two hundred and
fourteen dollars to see the Seahawks and Rams, double that
to see your Bears and Packers on Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Take it in the Windy City.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well you got that.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
We got the double header right, Because you get Philly
in Washington, you also get some college football action Friday
into Saturday. So veritable smorgasboard for sports fans. But yeah,
it's going to be cold as hell, rock hard. I
know my brothers are meeting up. They've got a pizza joint.
It's the family Haunt. If you go to Chicago, it's
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where I tell everybody to go immediately. They take care
of you in the kitchen, and there's always a crowd
to watch the games. So they're taking up residence. I
don't think they've rented the space out, but they said, wait,
we can either spend five hundred bucks between us to
go to the game, or we can go eat and
drink and be merry and watch this silliness in the
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comfortable warm bar.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah I pick the warm bar.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, there you go. This would be a fun weekend,
and Ian's Jets have an opportunity for a win as well.
Looking head to week sixteen, I'm rooting for Dun Dun Dunn.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
For the loss evaluation periods over just all tank.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
See we flipped them.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But we flipped them.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I knew it would happen there it is dand we broke.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Him finally, finally, by the way, to see Ian's Jets
and Saints, it will cost you twelve dollars according to
the seriously, yes too.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Oh yeah, but what's it cost to fly? Look what's
the flight to New Orleans?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Let's go, or you could just take the shorter flight
to Arizona and watch Falcons Cardinals for thirteen dollars, dare you?
That's what we're seeing on the on the slate right now.
Prices can fluctuate, all right, So that's gonna do it
for us here, and I want your flags. Will be
back at the end of the week with our week
sixteen rankings, Hot plays, cold sores, streaming defenses, Points of Paloza,
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survivor the whole deal. So for my Carmen Andian Roddy,
I'm Dan Byer. Enjoy the Thursday night and we'll talk
to you at the end of the week here, and
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you can find Ian at Ian Roddy Underscore. Interesting times.
Now my longtime league finally had the regular season come
to an end. We are in the postseason. Most leagues
started in week fifteen, guys, with some teams having buys,
usually six teams making the playoffs in the twelve team league.
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But ours is long and a long ago league with
only ten teams. We just have a two week playoff.
But we finally made it to the postseason. It is
also a time in Week sixteen where I know not
everybody is as interested as they were for the first
fifteen weeks of the season, because maybe you didn't make
the playoffs, maybe you're ousted in your first round. That's
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where misery loves company. Like here we are, and I'll
tell you what. There is a special feeling about week
sixteen and seven won't make the playoffs, or even if
you don't make the advance in your playoffs, Mike, there
is something about being in this group of people who
know the feeling of having that four and eleven season
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or four and ten season. We can all get together
and commiserate here and I want your flex.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Oh, that's the beauty of it is.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You know, no matter how much work you put into it,
in the end, you can be right for ninety five
percent of a game setting your lineup or us bloviating
in front of the microphone, and it takes one play
to blow it up. Right, we all have that guy.
For me as a kid, it was watching the Bears
bottle up Barry Sanders until they didn't. Right, that's the
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image all the times, like, eh, they got him again.
It's third and twelve. There he goes for a seventy
eight yard touchdown. You know, one of those kind of things, right,
like the raptors in Jurassic Park testing the fence and
eventually finding that hole and finding daylight. Hell, it was
that Henderson run this past week against the Bills. Right
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where he's behind. It looks like he stopped. Eh, takes
two steps backwards. All of a sudden he's got Drake
May out in front of a lead blocker. I mean
things like that. That all right, that takes my win
to a definitive loss. Or this week we talked a
lot about in the earlier episode, a lot about the
Joe Burrow No show. So while you got one hundred
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and thirty two yards from Jamar Chase Joe Burrow and
that performance eliminated a lot of teams.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yes, I I you know, I still remember a couple
of years ago, I had a trade from an owner
in our league. We had basically agreed on it, but
I just I held off. And it was for Brandon Ayuk.
And this is when Brandon Ayuk was wanted and liked
by the forty nine ers and by the way, vice versa. Yeah,
a good es in his part no longer the case
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in San Francisco. Maybe they like him, he just doesn't
want to be around them, whatever the case may be.
I said, let me see if there's something better out there,
and I went and I swung a deal for AJ Brown.
And I know I've been hard on AJ Brown before,
maybe it stems from him crapping out for me on
a playoff run, but those things end up sticking in
your memory. I remember having a fifty spot dropped on
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me by Jamal Charles in a playoff, but I really
remember the deals that I made in the players that
I had that knocked me out. And that's what's so
great about this, even though it's not great. It's the
highs and the lows. But my co worker, our co
worker who I work with on Fox, on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, Jason Stewart said to me,
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he goes, I got knocked out of my two leagues
in the first round of the playoffs. It's now week sixteen,
and for the first fifteen weeks, I've had something to
care about. Now I'm out of everything, and he goes,
I need to find something to get me excited about
these next three weeks as the regular season winds down.
And I have to say, I don't think that he's
alone in that feeling where people are like, all right,
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where do I turn now? What do I do crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Feeling, Yeah, I mean, plenty of plays.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
That's the beauty of the expansion of the internet space, right,
is that there are plenty of one league one week
contests out there, and you know the different things that
they're they're not sponsors to this, so I'm not going
to start naming them, but you know, you're over under
selections and whatever else that you want to go down
that road, certainly the gambling side of things, if you
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want to go down.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I think Joe Biden in the under No, I'm kidding
that graphic was but it was pretty goods Yeah, it
was funny, but it's that.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
But it's that kind of thing, right you you know,
go play a daily game if you can wherever you are.
I mean some legalities come in depending on where you
live and you're accessing the interwebs from. But it's that,
you know, just trying to find a little bit of
juice for those final couple of weeks or if nothing else,
you hate watch the rest of the league that advanced.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Ian Roddy had five teams advance to the postseason. Five leagues.
You made the playoffs in all five.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well, not so fast, not so fast, man, I'm in
five fantasy leagues, all five of them. I made the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Awesome.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
This was a few days ago I was on cloud nine,
on top of the world. But this weekend I got
eliminated from four out of five leagues in round one
of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
So I'm only I'm only in one left and it
was the lead that I had a first round buy in.
So just just nightmare, nightmare week. I don't even know
if at this point I I just would have preferred
to have just not made the playoffs at all, because
it's just heart breaking.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
But it's it's still did the pulling of the strings.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Never was there any common though, Like was there one
player that you had on?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Jonathan Taylor in a couple of leagues. He's been quiet
the last few weeks. He still had thirteen this week, though,
so it wasn't like it was, you know, some all
on him or or Joe Burrow I have in a
couple of leagues, but he's been on ir anyway, So
it was really just just an unlucky bad week. I
don't it's not like I have the same team across
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all five leagues. It's just straight up bad luck. I
don't know who I was facing my opponents. Some I
lost by you know, two points. Some I got absolutely
blown out in it's just just yeah, the worst of
fantasy right there.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I find that almost impossible.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Like Gus, it's harder to do. No, sure, it's harder
to do than if I had won every league.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I like to to go to and three. Like, Honestly,
if I was you entering the week, I would say,
all right, worst case scenario is I'm knocked out of three,
and so I have two left and hopefully one of
those two get me into a championship game. And now
I think you don't even have Week seventeen promise to
you in a championship or you know, it could be
a possibility where you could be out. I don't know
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if you have a third place game or whatever the
case is. But to maybe not have that opportunity and
think that it actually maybe more of a long shot.
It's crazy to think that you had four teams ousted
out of the five.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
So if you're having a bad day, just just remember
that that happened to me this weekend.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Well, let's just hit the rewind, right, the three of
us participated, Dan, you set up the Guillotine League a
couple of weeks ago. Our colleague Brandon Deutsch, right does
editing and producing, and he was in the league and
he had the convergence of I mean you looked at
the roster going, how might I'm eliminated? Because there's no
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way I'm passing that. And then he had like four
of your top five players in the game and they
all had historically bad weeks.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, right, what was it?
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Ra Saint Brown? The game he got hurt, our old
friend Justin Jefferson, I think was part of the mix, sure,
and just on down the line, whatever the convergence was.
I just remember looking at the roster before going wow,
that's a tough one to climb. And then as the
day wore on, it's like, all right, who's on that
roster again? Like did I did I read it wrong?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
It's like nope, that was it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And so it's it's that right.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
You could you could build what looks to be the
perfect beast and you have the wrong week. What was
it three weeks ago where nobody scored or two weeks ago? Right,
I mean it was the ridiculous week with a bunch
of low scoring games. I mean, that's why they play
all to seventy two of these glorious things.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Not that not that people care about our Fox Sports
Radio Guillotine League, but we had a situation where we've
had teams, you know, earlier on in the year. The
SCO scores are lower, so maybe somebody just has an
awful week and they scores sixty two points. Whatever the
deal is. We had the entry this past week score
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one hundred and thirty one points and get shopped and
they weren't even close to possibly living. Mike, you actually
scored one hundred and sixty three. I was fortunate enough
to score one hundred and sixty two. And Ryan Berschinger,
the old producer of this podcast, had one hundred and
fifty four points. So you had to score over one
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hundred and fifty four points to stay alive in a
Guillotine League. This week again was and by the way,
nobody was playing Trevor Lawrence as their starter. No, right, like,
so like of the four teams that you have there,
you are taking the top of the top. But even
those other players that play in that's why, like Ian
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not doubling up on players or having you know, four
shares of a guy. That's crazy that it just didn't
even out for you. But I think that's to Mike's point,
that's what we got in week fifteen, when a couple
of weeks ago everybody just said it up stinking Now
everybody just ended up going off in a week. Man.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, the EBB and flow with the injuries in and out,
the you know, all of a sudden second quarter guide
departs or the game flow totally changes.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Right where all of a sudden, you're up twenty twenty
one nothing or down twenty one nothing is like game script.
All right, it's out the window.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I'm not going to see it.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
I mean, I'm just looking at my guys. They all
had just kind of just met performances. No one was
horrible other than you know, Burrow obviously, and in that
league that I have him in, but Omari and Hampton
thirteen points. It's not like I lost because of him,
but obviously if he'd done more than that would have helped.
And Christian McCaffrey same deal, thirteen thirteen point fifteen points,
so same, Like he's one of my studs. I could
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have used a better game from him and maybe I
would have survived. But enough about me.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Well you made the right move. He failed you. That's
that's all it comes down.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, there you go, fault.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Kudos to getting five teams in the postseason. Absolutely talk
about workload.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
Proud of it. But then you know, this is just
a terrible way to follow it up.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
But there's no way I could be in five leagues.
I could not. Well, I usually I usually pooh pooh
people and They're like, I'm into any leagues, and I'm like,
there's no such thing, And a couple of years ago,
it's like I'm not even in leagues. I'm in other
different contests and I'm having trouble following and keeping pace,
and I'm like, well, this isn't fun. This just ends
(11:23):
up being wasted money that I'm just throwing away because
I'm not winning anything from it. So like, you do
really have to pick and choose. So good job on
you to be able to handle five teams and have
them be successful even if they got no It's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I used to have to play in a lot of
lead I have to, but Fantasy was really the bulk
of my job, virtually exclusively, And so you do a
bunch of leagues for magazines and whatever, and I was
in a ton of them and I did reasonably well.
But you're also at the point where you're watching games
and you almost had to have a giant color coded
(11:56):
chart to figure out who you actually could cheer for
or against, what was what was the net of a touchdown.
It's like, well, it helped me in three leagues, it
hurt me in four, and in these three it did matter.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Okay, go how about this?
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And like that's what you're doing with every box score
and every game you're watching on the giant grid. It's like,
that's no way to watch football. Like, just as a
person who loves the game, take the fantasy element out
of it, it just made for a miserable experience. Like
all right, I'll watch at the end of I'll look
at the end of the day, and now I'll just
try to watch the games. But the entire time, it's like,
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how did that affect me? How did that affect the
guy chasing me for a tie breaker or whatever else.
It's it's just a different way, and to navigate it
as you did, I mean, that's that's that's a lot
of work.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Been there, done that, Dan?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You reference all the different myriad ways to participate in fantasy.
It's a lot of time investment and a lot of thought,
a lot of long walks on the beach trying to
figure out which end is up and following the little dots,
because as we know, that's even more difficult now because
there's more gamesmanship in terms of how how long you're
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gonna wait before you really release that a guy's in out,
how limited they are.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
We talked about it with.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Josh Jacobs and the Packers you know, this week in
their game against Denver. Instead, he's running great routes to
the back of the end zone and make his circus catches.
So yeah, it's there's just so many variables to it.
That algorithm has grown year after year.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, I will say this, if you have, like Ian
five teams that made the playoffs, or seven teams or
six out of seven, six out of eight, whatever, we'd
always love to hear from you. Hit Mike Ip at
Swollen Dome. You can find me at dan Byer on
Fox or Ian at Ian Roddy Underscore. If you're able
to navigate your seasons like that, yeah, let us know
how you did. Coming up next, We're gonna let you
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know on who to play in the Week sixteen opener
between the Rams and Seahawks and Seattle with so much
on the line. And we'll also bring up a conversation
that we had recently and the controversy and how it
played out in Week fifteen. It's all next here on
I Want Your Flex. Before we preview Rams Seahawks, there
was some controversy and it happened in Houston on Sunday
(14:17):
a week or two back. On an episode of I
Want Your Flex. We started talking about the different different
ways of scoring, and it was more about team defenses,
what is a return, what happens on a conversion return?
Just a lot of questions in gray areas, and Mike's
history and the sport shed a lot of light on it.
(14:37):
And like we've always learned in fantasy football, you'll learn
something new every day. And in Week fifteen, we found
out that if you recover a fumble outside of the
end zone and carry it in, you may not necessarily
get the points that you thought you were getting. And
this all comes from the Woody Mars touchdown against the
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Houston Texans. Now, Woody Marks ended up leaving their game
with the Cardinals and had four point eight points to
his name and a full point PPR league if you
didn't count the touchdown that he scored on the amusing
air quotes here, guys, the fumble recovery on the snap
at the one yard line. This was big time conference traversy.
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Bill Simmons was even tweeting about it. I'm sure he
had Woody Marks in his lineup, but different sites were
not counting this as a touchdown run because they were
counting it as a fumble recovery touchdown. Now, most leagues
have that setting, but if your setting didn't have that setting,
then Woody Marks wasn't getting the six points in what absolutely,
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one hundred percent, Mike looked like a touchdown run.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, I'll it looked like a wildcat play with just
the quarterback as a go through like you were you're
going through the windmill on a mini golf course, right,
And yes, because it was a low snap, does that
count as a fumble?
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Come on? That's you know what I mean? Like that?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
That's the thing to me, It's like, I've never seen
that in a scoring log when there's a bad snap
that bounces into a guy.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Who fumbled it technically too, is it Stroud or the center.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Right, it would be the center right.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I think they called yeah, they called it a team fumble.
I think was the official I think that was the
official ruling on it.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
It's not on any one person. We all bet, but
it's like we all know what the intent was. Like,
there was no no effort from Stroud to field the ball, right,
he was just standing there.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
So like.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I did at one point think that it was maybe
it was a planned to play because I thought about it.
I'm like, man, how could you How could that get
through Stroud's legs and not not hit his hand or
hit anything. But Stroud said after the game, yeah, probably
was supposed to be a shotgun, and the center said
that he didn't feel Stroud under center, so just obviously
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chucked it back and by the way, heck of a
scoop by Woody Marks to take it and then just
not miss a beat and end up cashing in on
the touchdown. But for a while, like our Guillotine league,
it took a full day for it to cash in,
and I'm not sure how it cashed in on other leagues.
The ESPN site that in one of the leagues that
I was on, did count the touchdown, so that setting
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was marked off. But if you didn't have that setting
in your league rules, you likely weren't getting the touchdowns
scored by Woody Markin.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I sent the flare up to the folks over at Guillotine, going, hey,
need to address this. In prior podcast, as Dan alluded to,
I used to put in FAQs to explain scoring rules
and odd ball situations. You know, like, hey, here's the
Fueld goal, but like the first time that a Fueld
goal was short, but they sent a returner back there
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on a long field goal and ran it back for
a touchdown. You know, kind of explaining things like that.
It's like, well, it's essentially a punt return now, so yeah,
special teams defense got to point. In this case, this
would have been a foot Woody and an explanation. Do
you guess what you would have gotten?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Do you think that? Do you think this should be
any leeway? Like on a play like this, it just
so looked like a running play. Yeah, and in fact,
like the Guillotine site, they weren't scoring it, but they
were like direct snap the Woody Marks touchdown, like they
were calling it like a direct snap, they weren't calling
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it the fumble and it wasn't registering. Or do you
have to go buy the book for consistency on like
how the NFL and the official scores rule it, Like
how would you where would you come out on that?
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well, I think it comes down to the to some level.
The way we've seen a lot of online sports books
handle things is that there's sometimes you know, variance right
where player leaves after two minutes. All right, they tried
to give it a go and they leave, And sometimes
a sportsbook will say, you know what, that's a no play.
(19:04):
Let's just refund everybody's money. You didn't get the you know,
you had an over under of twenty point five points. Now,
obviously there's some potential shenanigans, as we've seen in the NBA,
expand that to all other leagues, but for the purpose
of the conversation, you know, you have an early exit.
Likewise football, Hey, the guy gives it a go, Say
roma Dunze goes out for one series, runs one route
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and he's done for the game. There have been sports
books that have then said, you know what, that's a nonplay.
It's like he's not he didn't start because you don't
want people to have a sour taste in their mouth
and leave and not come back to the casino. Likewise, here,
like to me, I wish the Texans would have sold
it a little bit more that that's now in the
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arsenal as a scripted play, because again without with Stroud
really not making a play to it, I was convinced
that it was just a straight wild trickeration play.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Well, i'll tell you what. Credit to the Houston media
who followed up with multiple people about that play, knowing
how how it was important for a lot of people.
It was important for leagues, and you're talking about six points.
It's not just was that a runner? Was that a
pass you know for one point seven? Or who got
the sack on this one? This was a touchdown that
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we all saw with our own eyes, and yes, common
sense prevailed, yea, And I hope that in your leagues
that common sense did prevail in Woody Marks got his touchdown,
but hey, controversy and then when it comes to the playoffs,
you know it's about ten times worse.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Well, that's just did because he would have been a
guy as an RB two or certainly a flex play
based on the expectations of a workload in that matchup.
But yeah, I mean I would understand is you know,
the league, the league provider if they took a stance,
but you need to message it quickly and as thoroughly
as you possibly can. And then once you set that precedent,
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you better stay with it. So if you go against
whatever the league's ruling is, the next time, it better
show up the same way, or you know you'll have
a bunch of heavyweights like us yelling about it.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Well, let's get to the heavyweight bout between the Rams
and the Seahawks coming up on Thursday to start Week sixteen.
Sam Darnald and the Seahawks couldn't get into the end
zone the Rams. That's all they could do against the Lions. Well, score, score,
scorescre and score. But DeVante Adams not likely to go
for the Rams in that contest, at least at the
time of this taping. Seahawks offensive line could be banged up,
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maybe playing without left tackle Charles Cross. Mike, how do
you see these teams faring off on Thursday night?
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Forty four and a half is the total last I look, Dan,
so not expecting huge fireworks and I'm really not. I
got Stafford as a back end one. The fact that
you lose one of your big red zone components there
in Seattle's defense should be more than up to the tap.
Even though you know they had the nail bier against Indianapolis,
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It's not like they were moving the ball up and
down the field on them. So looking forward here obviously
a step up from Philip Rivers to Matthew Stafford. But
all of that being said, you know there's something to
be said a little bit of hey, just let's do
what we need you to get out of Dodge with
a short week.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Ahead and a big look ahead game kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Sam Darnell to me is I mean he's a no
fly zone mid to back end QB two.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
I can't trust it.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Is he going to replicate what he did last time
in terms of interceptions? No, But I think the ceilings
much lower Along the way we already talked in the
previous about the run game for Seattle, there AREB three's
with upside right, and I mean the potential remains because
you do get the defense that might be able to
(22:53):
because look, Matthew Stafford's been a bit careless with the
football of late as well. So you might end up
with a short field or two that give you an opportunity,
but can you bank on it. No, no, you can't.
As far as the run game for the rams, Kyron
Williams back end RB one Blake Korn would be a
flex flexible option for you along the way JSN top
(23:18):
five as always set it and forget it Ronco style,
and Pukin Nakua is right there with him. He's a
guy that he'll make the case for number one. Because
as much as I love my Jamar Chase love, I'm
a little afraid of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
As we said.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
So, yeah, two out of the top five there most certainly,
and then going deeper down the roster without without DeVante Adams,
and we assume as we record this that we're not
going to see him. I mean, I think that's kind
of the end of your receivers barter a play if
you're in a straight tight end league, no question. And
(23:58):
we talk about Parkinson as well as a back end
in terms of the tight end position, trying to just
move the chains. But these ceilings for both of those
guys a bit lower.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, Barner had ten catches the last time these teams
got it was only for seventy yards, but I know
we talked to him about him on a previous episode.
I'm just curious on what happens because Seattle dominated it statistically,
but it's the Rams who got the win. So do
the Rams play better than maybe they did against the
Seahawks the first time around. You can't think that Sam
Darnold's going to turn the ball over four times. You
(24:31):
would hope non if you're a Seahawks fan like me,
So the Rams aren't going to have that edge. Should
be a great football game on Thursday and excited to
see who ends up stepping up big time. But I
agree with you on the pass catchers Phoka and Akoa Is.
I don't want to say that you can't stop him,
but now without DeVonta Adams like he is going to
(24:51):
be the guy, and he saw a majority of their
targets in their first matchup. And we know what the
Seahawks do with JSN, so the wide receivers will be
the story probably on Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Very excited is one that you know, I wish I
could flop it to Sunday night. Give them a couple
more days so you know, see if you can get
one or two more bodies up, particularly when you talk
about your offensive line there in front of Sam Darnold.
But you know, trying to or can we flex it
to week sixteen take out one of those Christmas Day
or week seventeen, yeah, seventeen, take out one of those
(25:23):
Christmas Day games and put it there, because those games
suddenly don't look at nearly as attractive.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Way to go NFL and putting all your eggs into
the commander's basket, like we could have told you that
that was not going to not going to happen, mari Ota,
the home games in week seventeen of the home teams Commanders, Vikings,
and Chiefs. Have fun with that. One and only one
team right now is in the playoff picture of the
(25:50):
six playing on Christmas Day, and that would be that
would be Denver. But no, it's fun. I'll tell you what.
It's a heavyweight tilt. I'm excited to see the Packers
and your Bears, Mike on Saturday night while it's looking
at the ESPN and their ticket link two hundred and
fourteen dollars to see the Seahawks and Rams, double that
to see your Bears and Packers on Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Take it in the Windy City.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well you got that.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
We got the double header right, Because you get Philly
in Washington, you also get some college football action Friday
into Saturday. So veritable smorgasboard for sports fans. But yeah,
it's going to be cold as hell, rock hard. I
know my brothers are meeting up. They've got a pizza joint.
It's the family Haunt. If you go to Chicago, it's
(26:36):
where I tell everybody to go immediately. They take care
of you in the kitchen, and there's always a crowd
to watch the games. So they're taking up residence. I
don't think they've rented the space out, but they said, wait,
we can either spend five hundred bucks between us to
go to the game, or we can go eat and
drink and be merry and watch this silliness in the
(26:57):
comfortable warm bar.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah I pick the warm bar.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, there you go. This would be a fun weekend,
and Ian's Jets have an opportunity for a win as well.
Looking head to week sixteen, I'm rooting for Dun Dun Dunn.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
For the loss evaluation periods over just all tank.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
See we flipped them.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
But we flipped them.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
I knew it would happen there it is dand we broke.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Him finally, finally, by the way, to see Ian's Jets
and Saints, it will cost you twelve dollars according to
the seriously, yes too.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Oh yeah, but what's it cost to fly? Look what's
the flight to New Orleans?
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Let's go, or you could just take the shorter flight
to Arizona and watch Falcons Cardinals for thirteen dollars, dare you?
That's what we're seeing on the on the slate right now.
Prices can fluctuate, all right, So that's gonna do it
for us here, and I want your flags. Will be
back at the end of the week with our week
sixteen rankings, Hot plays, cold sores, streaming defenses, Points of Paloza,
(27:55):
survivor the whole deal. So for my Carmen Andian Roddy,
I'm Dan Byer. Enjoy the Thursday night and we'll talk
to you at the end of the week here, and
I want your flex h m hmm.
Host
Mike Harmon
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