September 17, 2025 • 34 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon take a look at the litany of quarterback injuries across the league, discussing how best to navigate them from a fantasy standpoint. Then they move into a Thursday Night Football preview, looking ahead to the matchup between the Bills and Dolphins!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
Ond Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'll tell you what Week two is a tough week
to be a quarterback in the National Football League. That is,
if you wanted to stay healthy. That's what we dive
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Speaker 1 (00:49):
Mike. I was at the news desk on Monday.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
We knew Joe Burrow's injury on Sunday, but then new
started to trickle in. Jayden Daniels got this knee issue.
Dan Quinn's calling him day to day. We saw Justin
Fields leave against the Bills and we found out he's
in concussion protocol and then JJ McCarthy all of a
sudden has this high ankle sprain that we didn't know
that he suffered against the Atlanta Falcons, and all of
(01:14):
a sudden, quarterbacks just flying flying into into medical tense
emergency rooms, whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You have it. But a rough week for quarterbacks in week.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Two seems like we probably should have bet the over
on number of quarterbacks we're gonna see this year, because
if after two weeks we're already going to the well
on a handful of guys, it's it's usually they come
in giant buckets, and this was a really rough week.
The McCarthy one has got a bunch of conspiracy theorists around,
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and given his struggles the first two weeks, right, one
good quarter of action against the Bears, and then there
he is on a scramble with the second to last
and people are trying to pinpoint what exactly did this
ankle thing happen?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And did he just run on a drownine dancers.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I don't know, but we get the Carson Wentz Show
once again because of it. So we get that we
have Jake Browning he was running around. Now we just
have the confirmation that we're not seeing Burrow again for
a couple of months and turf tow doesn't sound like much,
but I know a lot of X players chiming in
(02:21):
talking about how that was worse than bones they'd broken
or other injuries they'd sustained during their careers, because it was,
you know, one of those that seems like a bogus thing,
like you know, a paper cut or something. But yeah,
jitimid injury. Tarad Taylor makes a return, Marcus Mariota, the
guys are just hanging around. I think it was fifty
nine guys last year. What do you think, guys, are
(02:43):
we headed to the over Gosh?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, the year before I thought it was at sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's right, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So there's and there's a lot a lot to this.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
There are going to be quarterback changing, Like there's going
to be a quarterback change in New York with the
Giants at some point.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So that's that's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It's these where you didn't expect it in Minnesota, you
didn't expect it in Washington, you didn't expect it in Cincinnati,
and you know, I don't think you really even expected
it with the Jets, except maybe because fields is more
of a runner that he could be susceptible to this
sort of injury. He ends up getting hurt on a
sack and hitting his head on the turf to enter
(03:20):
concussion protocol. He still might play against Tampa Bay, but
the point is, right now he's in concussion protocol. But yeah,
I think we are to that point, Mike. I think
that we are going to be threatening that number. And
it makes me scared to think of what could be
happening in weeks three, four, and five that could really
turn this season upside down, because I don't know. I
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don't know how you correct it, especially considering how much
we put on the plate of a quarterback nowadays. Coming
off of Monday Night game where Baker Mayfield somehow is
still standing in his team wins, Like, when you're getting
roughed up like he is, I don't know how in
the world you're gonna make it through seventeen games. Yeah,
I think you're right. I think we're on the track
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to at least a high fifties, low sixties number.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
We come out of the Washington game for Week two
and we're marveling at the Packers defense and Eckler gets
hurt and you're seeing the offensive line struggle, and then
we get this news like, well, you're talking about Ni sprain.
That's usually not a one week And for Daniels, we'd
already seen him get beat up going back to last year, right,
(04:28):
he was injured for a good chunk of the season.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Played well.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Still, you know, they managed to run through but not
sustainable with that kind of damage and number of hits
he was taking. It's still a huge surprise. I'm sure
you were at the desk, like I saw it pop
up on my feet. I went, really, okay, what where like?
Because immediately our instinct is I want to go back
(04:53):
and watch the game and see where this happens. Right,
and the internet salutes immediately start trying to figure out
a play, and there's not always something obvious. He could
have slipped in the shower to aggravate something. As a
fifty one year old man, I've got aches and pains
that I consistently try to figure out exactly their origin
story and I don't always know, Dan, I don't know
(05:14):
if there's demons in the night, if I bang my
head against a.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Wall or what I get it. I've injured myself during
this podcast, he just had no idea.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Just sitting here, I think I'm hurt.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You're laying on the ground like you're Peter Griffin and
you've hit your shint. But to that point right where
we like, for a justin fields, we look at Tua,
we look at Daniel Jones, we look at guys that
historically their viability, maybe they give us some highs, but
there are also guys that we're expecting some level of
(05:48):
non participation.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
See how nice I.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Put the injury bug away at non participation for at
least a game or two. Needless to say, we've also,
you know, already lost brock Purty, like he was already
off the board for us. And then we've got these
other situations where like in Cleveland, how long is Joe
Flacko the guy before they just say okay, let's let's
(06:14):
see what you got kid kind of thing. So yeah,
it's it's a curious space.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And then and then.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
We're a snap away from maybe Sador Sanders and.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That knows it.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yes, I mean, if he didn't want to go to Baltimore,
that's that story.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's a whole whole other story.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I do want to I do want to say this
on because there's two things that I think stood out.
I think something we've talked about this in previous podcasts,
but I think it's completely relevant right now. I had
Joe Burrow in a league I ended up losing by
twenty points, So Joe Burrow maybe could have gotten twenty points,
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maybe not. But having eighty yards in a touchdown is
not what you expected. Again, in a game where it
was the highest point total over underwise going into the week,
take what Jake Browning had added on to Joe Burrow,
and that's probably the game that you get from Joe Burrow.
Lineups are completely devastated when the player gets knocked out
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in the first half. I've thought of this rule. Your
player gets knocked out in the first half, you can
use your bench quarterback, but you only get half of
their points. What do you guys think about that? So
in my situation, it wouldn't matter because I had justin Fields.
(07:40):
So he gets knocked out and he even had fewer
points than Burrow did and played longer in the game.
It was such a miserable afternoon. I don't have to
tell Ian about it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Sorry, but for both of you on that one.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah, yes, it was a double dose. But you know,
hear me out on this, Like if you had, say,
Trevor Lawrence is your backup quarterback, Trevor Lawrence gives you
two hundred and seventy yards three touchdowns, does throw two picks?
However that breaks out for your I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(08:14):
you split it in half.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Better than the better.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Than the seven or the you know, Aaron Rodgers blows
his achilles on the fourth play from scrimmage, so you're
at least competitive and the game is in a total wash.
I think that it just it takes everything out, and
especially the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's different.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Like if you're in a multiple flex league and you
got a bunch of running backs and wide receivers, you
can navigate that. It's difficult to navigate losing your quarterback
early in the game.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
What do you guys think about that proposal?
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Yeah, I mean I like it as sort of maybe
a league setting, And I think that's what you're suggesting, right.
It's not something that you know, gets implemented into every
ESPN league as a feature or something. It's something that
the commissioner can switch on and off.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I like that I think to have an option.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Yeah, with the amount of customization that goes into fantasy
leagues these days, why not have something like.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
As a guy who used to run leagues when this
fantasy world was starting at Yahoo, the number of times
like as we gave more configuration options that people would
have the unintended consequence of like I didn't realize it. Yeah,
there was a whole page I wrote to tell you
how that was going to work. But yes, because you
paid us money, they're making me undo all of the
(09:29):
damage you did to your league. But giving them that option,
I think it's there as opposed to having a dead
roster spot, seems simple enough to be able to create
a toggle situation.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I talked to my buddy earlier this off season and
we were kind of talking about draft strategy and we're
changing some of our lineup stuff, and he goes, Honestly,
he goes, I'm not even going to carry a backup quarterback,
so I'd rather carry a running back or a wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
That's the thing, too, is not everyone has a backup.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But wouldn't it add value, Like now you are taking
someone so it makes your draft yeah a little So
Now like in the tenth and eleventh rounds where yeah,
you've already got your quarterback, but there's there is a
group of quarterbacks of Tua, of Dak, of c J Stroud,
Jordan Love that are you know, we're kind of that
(10:19):
second starter tier that are names and that you would
add like you would say like, okay, do I want
this quarterback. It's more of an insurance policy than anything else,
instead of just trying to to you know, guess when
a you know, or to predict when the buy or
have the buy is playing around the buy, is what
I'm trying to say. Sure, this would actually add strategy
where if something did happen, Now, if Burrow gets hurt
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on the last play of the game, you're obviously keeping
his full stats or whatever. But I just think it
puts teams at such a disadvantage when you lose your
quarterback in the first half because if you're running back
or receiver gets injured, they may have only add three
catches for thirty yards. Any that, you know, those things happen,
(11:01):
Those stinkers happen. Very rarely do you have a justin
fields type game like this, And I just think it
sets you so far behind and this at least would
keep you competitive in the week. I just think it's
a it's a way that, if you could, would be
something worthwhile to leagues. And then add it adds another
valuable spot on your bench and something that you'd have
to account for in that draft.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Just thinking about the draft potential, right, So maybe you're
more likely or or maybe change the variability of how
you're you're waiting the quarterbacks to where you do take
more of a risk to go in on one of
the mobile quarterbacks earlier. Yeah, to say, all right, I'll
try it for the upside, but I've got I also
(11:42):
know I have to come by insurance a little bit faster,
which is I think for some of the older quarterbacks,
how we've done it wondering you know where you find
the cliff. So you've come back for that second quarterback earlier.
But what's interesting you know of these this group that
got hurt. We talked about mac Jones and now you
have proof of concept at least for one week against
(12:04):
the Saints. But I mean, I didn't like what I
saw from the Washington offense anyway. So Jayden Daniels was
a guy for me that was truly drifting into mid
QB two and Mariota's a no fly zone. As much
as I may love dump offs to Zach Ertz, Carson,
Carson Wentz has to be better than JJ McCarthy. They
(12:26):
I thought the Staton Obviously I didn't run the algorithm
myself and the formula, but they said if he'd just
spiked the ball every time, he would add a higher
quarterback rating than what he put up, like literally spiked
it into the ground every time. So you got that
going Browning has those wide receivers, and then we know
the to Rod Taylor, we could usually find a game
(12:49):
or two where we can goose something, but sustainability long term,
but what that means is now Garrett Wilson and Justin
Jefferson and some of these guys. Now, I don't know
what Carson Wentz has has been a couple of years
since he's had to play any real meaningful football.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well, let's also to this, Jake Browning maybe a top
twenty five quarterback in the NFL, you know, and it
just he's the number one backup, like he's put up
numbers when he had to a couple of years ago
and took over for Burrow and was fine to that point,
I will say the McCarthy stuff. I don't know if
you guys feel this way. And this may be my
anti Michigan bias, but when you're stinking at quarterback, the
(13:28):
face paint just doesn't it just doesn't hit the war
paint that he that JJ Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just
when you're eleven for twenty one with two interceptions, you know,
like it's like.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Okay, all right, we're in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I think there's going to be a point in his
career where that doesn't happen anymore. Yeah, I just I'm
just guessing. But to me, it just kind of rings
hollow when you can't score an offensive touchdown.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
No, I get I get it.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
It looks perception is everything, right, you can be the
old you're only seeing when you're winning. Uh, And like
I want the guy to be the guy. So if
that's who he is, as long as he continues to
wear it and recognize.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Do I sound like, get off my lawn? Do I
sound old in saying saying this?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I mean I'm trying to think. I'm racking my brains
of other quarterbacks who do it, and.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'm there all.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Number two used to do the crosses under his eyes,
but I guess there was a point where he stopped.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Pounds of eye black, like over both cheeks.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
If he's the only one doing it, then I'm with you.
Something that people grow out of, then.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, I love to know the origin story. Sure as
a quarterback, because that's generally not where you're going, except
unless it's photo day. Sure that maybe you didn't for
for your photo or right, But but yeah, that I
gotta imagine those guys get a little bit salty there
in Minnesota, Uh, I mean and TJ. Hockinson another guy
(15:02):
that looked a lot slower getting in and out of
his routes than years past. But eventually Addison comes back
off suspension, so that should help.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I'm with you at the Mariota stuff, you know, Terry
McLaurin at the holdout hasn't trans you know, hasn't been
able to translate into numbers early on this season. It's
funny how we look at the commanders because at one
point you're like, Woally Jaydeen, Daniels, Eckler, McLaurin, Ertz, you
meant you mentioned Deebo Samuel And now I'm like man,
(15:34):
this team was awesome in twenty twenty one, like they
were great in twenty twenty one, and now Jade Daniels
is hurt. I know they brought over Tunzel, but there's
still pieces that I don't know how strong they are
up front on both sides of the football. So I
have questions about the Commanders as well. I I'm wondering
(15:55):
on how the Wentz thing turns out.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
It's we'll see.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Maybe they getting the shootout because the Bengals defense it
is so bad and Justin Jefferson can get his numbers.
But but otherwise, yeah, I'm I'm not I'm not cost
I'm not optimistic necessarily with Washington. I'm not optimistic with
Ian's Jets. If there's there's no Justin fields. Although passing
wise may open up a little bit. Maybe Braylan Allen
(16:19):
didn't get much action. I I don't know, there's nowhere
to go butt up. I guess from the Jets in
that perspective, But you know, Torod's Taylor's got a ceiling,
and going down the road at Tampa is going to
be a tough task.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
As any any Jets commentary you want to fire in there,
Ian or is it just kind of like me talking
about the Bears at some point, Like I said, at all,
it's just kind of I just.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Want to know how the run game is gonna end up,
you know, playing out because you got like they've been
saying all off or they were saying all off season.
Then they're going to use all three of their guys
Brice Hall, Brailan Allen, and Isaiah Davis who's now kind
of their primary kick returner after they released Gibson the
other day, but.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Who everybody got all upset about. He was terrible consistently
like this wasn't a y. I don't think there's any
reason to be upset at all. He should have been
like he was escape. I'm like, no, that was the
last straw that Jets.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Jets, Jets fans have known that Gibson should not have
made the team. So it was just a complete vindication
saying with Michael Clemmons having a huge penalty that he
was a Jets things.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But he was the was he the hero in the
Bills game?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
He was injury, so he pretty much bought himself two
years of a career just off that one play.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Absolutely, that's absolutely what happened.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
But I mean, Breeze Hall becomes one of those interesting
guys like a chan a douple of these teams that
start to sink that you might be going, hey, we
need a running back over here.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, thanks for roling me back in, because that's
where I was going with is the run game Breeze Hall?
Week one? Did one look like the guy you looked? Fast, explosive.
Buffalo probably was selling out to stop him, and not
that other teams don't have the ability to do that,
but they're not going to be facing the Buffalo defense
every week. So I'm still pretty high on Breece Hall
after that Steelers performance.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
All Right, there's a look at our quarterback injuries. It's
a big week here, and I want your flex. I'll
be at Bill's Dolphins. But for a reason that I
may not have made clear on other podcasts, I'm going
to explain and the guys will chime in on the
conversation as well. Where have you always wanted to go
in the National Football League? Will the Scotts discuss it next?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Here? And I want your flex.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
We're gonna do a little combo here. We're gonna look
ahead to the Thursday night game. The start week three
between the Dolphins and Bills. Try to give you some
advice on that one. But also since I will be
in the building, I figured what perfect time then to
just talk about the reason why I'm going to Buffalo.
Not a Bills fan, not a Dolphins fan, I've never
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been to Buffalo, and Mike and Ian it's one of
the reasons why I'm going. I've never been to Buffalo
or high Mark Stadium, and it's the last year of
that stadium.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And there have been.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Many facilities in sports that I've always wondered what things
look like and how it would be to see a
game there, And Buffalo has been on my list for
well over a decade, and it's my last chance to
see it. And I wasn't going to go in December
or in January or even November. I wasn't gonna even
gonna risk it Lake Effect snow. I didn't want to
(19:26):
deal with it. I wanted to go to an early
season game to just see what it was like. We're
going to be there for about forty eight hours, Me
and Jason Stewart, Doug Gottlieb Show producer. He's got family
in the New York area. That's why I'm going to
Bills and Dolphins on Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I dig that.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Get in and Final year Goats, experience some of that.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Man.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
You know, it's not quite fall, so you don't get
the colors and all of that of Upstate New York.
But you can go have some wings. You watch some
jackasses throw each other through tables. One of you doesn't participate,
then the whole thing is I.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Mean, we're.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Jumping through a table.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Don't worry.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
We won't be loading up on green dildos either to
throw on.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We want tables.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
None, none of that.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
We're gonna keep it clean. We're gonna We're gonna this
is gonna be above board. But I just wanted to see.
I wanted to see what that stadium is like, because
there isn't a facility in the NFL like it, and
I'm not sure how many there were like it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
It is so it's so unique.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
You could tell, like the the suites that they have
were completely added on sure, like the renovation that they
didn't even try to make it look like it was
a part of the original design. It's just like an
extra double wide in the corner of the end zone.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I always found that that was intriguing.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
The camera angle, guys, when we watch it on TV
is so low, like there's there's some that are you
feel like you're on the moon watching it, like straight down.
And the camera angle in Buffalo is it's a great
camera angle. And so I've always had this view of
what Buffalo, what the stadium, and what the game would
look like.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So that's why I'm going.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Have there been any places where you've wanted to go
or would want to go? It could be even outside
of the National Football League MIC, But I know you've
been to a lot of spots, But is there anywhere
where you're still like, man, I'd like to see a
game there.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I have a lot of college stadiums I haven't had
gotten a chance to hit yet, right, I mean, my
daughters in the next year will go off to college,
so Saturday afternoons, if I'm not visiting them, the potential
is to take a red eye and find myself an
SEC country.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Sure done the Big Ten.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I've been to all of those, well, at least the
stadiums through Penn State. I guess all the extra add
ons the last couple of years. I mean, what no Rutgers,
the State College and New Jersey and I have a
date at some point, no question.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean I'll get to that, I think.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Obviously, I've been to the Rose Bowl, I've been to
the Colisee and whatever. So I mean, I've still got
a couple of the recent ads. Unfortunately, schedule is not
going to permit me to go to the Adjunk. I
haven't been able to get home to Northwestern in the
Mini Mini Stadium and before that's renovated. We'll see. There's
there's always a potential. You never know what the travel
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gods bring to you. But certainly the college game I
think is more for me. Like I've been to Lambo.
I'm heading out to Baltimore at the end of October,
so i'll check that box. Nice been to you know,
to Pittsburgh and a bunch uh. If if I could
go back in time, I'd love to go to the
Stick again. Like of stadiums of the past, what a
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hole that was.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It was a terrible facility.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I'll tell you what this the Candlestick Park is one
of the reasons why I'm doing this because I never
got to go.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh it was terrible, but it was fun at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, and I don't want to say that I've heard
great things, but I just I thought the location of
the stadium was unique, just the look of it on
TV and just even if you would think back of
like even when the Giants played there played baseball, and
how that is This Candlestick is the one is the
(23:24):
reason why I am taking this trip because I missed
out on Candlestick.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, the last time I got there because I was
up there working at Yahoo for a couple of years
and going to school at Santa Clara while my my
ex was doing her her doctorate at Stanford Is, we
would get to go to games. And the last game
I went to get this it was Jerry Rice's final
home game as a forty nine er too. Caught twenty
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passes wo Cade McNown quarterback the Bears, and we didn't
get past the fifty yard line and they gave away
a flip book at the catch that nobody wants. So
I picked up like a hundred of them and made
a mint on eBay.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Wow. Nice works.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh that's very very so I still have the ticket stub.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Like but like great memories, like I was with a
couple of relatives that lived in the area and we
just watched the futility, but the whole time it's.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Like, well, how many catches does he have now?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
And then they're carrying both of the guys on their
shoulders and you could see how pissed Jerry Rice was
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That too gets this.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Massive game, but like it was just an amazing amalgam
of suckage for the Bears. But on the other side,
you're watching two of the greats.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Ian.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I know that you are a lot younger than us,
but are there stadiums places that you want to go
or he's an old shoulder, Dan, Yes, he is that
you wish you would have seen, kind of like I'm
trying to do here before Highmark Stadium goes away.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
None that are like gone right now that at least
come to mind. I'm sure if I thought about it.
But I mean, when you said this, the first thing
is that I've never been to Lambeau and that's definitely like,
that's that's the football capital, you know, So that's that's
where I would want to go. It's outdoor, it's it's
the oldest stadium in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Right, So, well, here's the funny thing about Lambo, is
it is, but it isn't because Mike's team, the Bears.
The site of Soldier Field and Lambo isn't as old
as people think it is. But I mean it's like
it doesn't it's not nineteen twenties. It's late nineteen fifties.
They played at City Stadium prior to that, but then
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Lambeau Field was built. But in growing up in Wisconsin,
it wasn't that destination that was thought nationally. And I
feel like it's only been a thing of the last
twenty twenty five years, maybe as the NFL has become
so big that you still have this small market team.
I mean, the stadium has gone under so many renovations
(25:59):
in different chains and now it's just I mean, it's
it's crazy on what it's been. But growing up, it
wasn't that destination. I felt that so many people wanted
to go to it had that charm and maybe it
was because you know, there were other older stadiums still
around in the NFL. But I do think that that
has played a role into it.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then and then Mike mentioning colleges
that also spoke to me. I didn't even consider that
when you first asked us the question. But yeah, I mean, yeah,
going to like kneel in for Tennessee or you know,
Tuscaloosa to see the Crimson Tide. Because you know, my
favorite and most electric football game I've been to was
when I went to see the Texas Longhorns against Alabama,
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and that was in Austin, Ah.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Nice sae there you go over one.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Hundred thousand people there, you get all the chance. Just
college football is on such a different level from like
any other.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Ste just it right, that resonance, that emotion, totally, totally right,
complete investment in it. Like my brothers were at the
Bears opener, right, they've got season tickets going on a
lot of years.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
They get disgusted enough that they just leave.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
At some point, whereas with your college team, you're waiting, yeah,
in the until the final gun sounds.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Football, yeah, but but yeah, I mean any of those
top but you know the swamp in Florida, Camp Randall, Wisconsin,
just any of those Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Camp Randall's a man, that is a different experience. That
is a most welcoming I think of opposing fans. Now,
we were Northwestern, and we sucked terribly when I was
there and it was really cold. I had a bottle
of something called hot Damn that a guy gave me
really really really really good.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing about Wisconsin fans. And
when I went to school, there only had season tickets
one year and I went to do games. It was
it was the opener against Colorado and Rick new Heisel
was the coach and Ray Carruth was on Colorado.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So like this is way back then.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
It was my first week in my freshman year, and
then I went to the Ohio State game later on
that year. But the students don't you know about jump around? Right,
everybody knows about jump Around, but the students don't show
up until like the second quarter, correct, because they're still
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everybody's out drinking, they're at house parties, they're on langdon
you know, across the stadium across the street.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
You see kickoff, and.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
You will see the student sections O and P, like
those are the student sections, and they're half full, and
then they'll slowly start to build up and then jump
Around comes out and everybody's going crazy. And then if
it's a whatever game, by the middle of the fourth quarter,
it's back to being like half full. It's yeah, it's
really it's crazy. But that's what you get with college.
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It's the students, and sometimes the students get the wrath
of the the the longtime fan and the alumni because
in the game and they don't care. They're puke and
their guts out anyway by the by the middle of
the fourth quarter. But yeah, it's truly crazy. I'm going
to just leave on this note with before we get
to to the plays for Thursday night. High Mark Stadium
(29:14):
was built in nineteen seventy three. There are only three
stadiums older than that facility currently in the NFL, so
that Soldier Field, Lambeufield and Arrowhead in Kansas City place
I've never been to. That I'd love to check out.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
That's another one.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, I think that would be a great place. This
is what's scary. And Mike will know this, and Ian
you won't because you weren't born yet. Mike and I
will remember when hard Rock Stadium with the Dolphins was built. Sure,
and after high Mark in seventy three, there's this Superdome
in New Orleans seventy five and then hard Rock Stadium
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home of the Dolphins. Right now, the sixth oldest facility
in the National Football League. We remember when the Dolphins
played games at the Orange Bowl, and it's crazy to
think that that facility now is the sixth oldest in
the entire National Football League and about to be the
fifth because of the new stadium in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
No build, go build the skyboxes. Look.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
The first time I saw the toilet bowl they put
over Soldier Field, I cried, literally, I had to pull
over as I was driving down and I'd seen the renderings,
I'd seen it on TV. The first time I saw
it in person where you still have the pillars, but
over the top it looks like a giant toilet bowl,
I cried. I'm like, you just bastardized my childhood. So
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there you go. Go see them before they do it
to yours.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah, and heck, your bear's likely getting a new stadium soon.
So the Dolphins will just keep moving up that list
and pretty soon it'll be Lambeau, Arrowhead and hard Rock Stadium.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Is your three classic NFL stadium.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
That's how you take away from the failures of your
general manager.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
You keep offuscation. Hey, look, new stadium over here.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We are committed are to nights.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
How about being committed to drafting good players and going
through the draft process.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Oh boy, how okay?
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Whatever happened to Alan Williams in that running back coach
last year?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
All right, let's get let's get to Mike's ever a
never ending quest of fighting out what happened with the
Bears coaching staff and Alan Williams? All right, who are
we playing with Bill's Dolphins coming up on Thursday night?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I think we're just looking at our usual suspects here,
fellas I man Josh Allen has obviously said it, and
forget it, broken nose at all.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Now he looks like a prize fighter. I'll take the two.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Running backs as as RB ones eight Chan, especially if
he's going to be that active in the past game.
Run after the catch we get some love. But but
after that, now we start getting a little dicey. Maybe
a little Dalton kincaid as a back end tight end one,
but even that, uh, look at your options, you might
(31:54):
you might have something else. Now, all these quarterback changes
over the course of the week, with all of these
injury issues, Mike creates some strange bedfellows along the way,
But certainly for this week, you know the wide receiver position.
I think Hill's got enough targets to be a third
wide receiver to this point. And then you pick your poison.
(32:15):
Do you like Shakir or Coleman. I'll take the high
high ceiling of a keon Coleman as opposed to the
higher floor.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I am Leo Shakir.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I am.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I'm hoping it's a competitive game, but then in a way,
I'm kind of hoping it's not because I just want
to see then what craziness may transpire with Bill's fans
in Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Should be a good time. And I'm planning and eating
a lot of wings.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Well, I'm jealous of that. I'll probably have to supply
some in the studio on Thursday. Dan, let's see what
do we got for an over under? We got forty
nine and a half.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
For the for the game, I believes. I don't know
if you're going to say wings that I was going
to eat.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
And well, over the time and how long are you there?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Forty eight hours?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, you could do a wing an hour.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
We could do a wing an hour. You're a man,
Come on, I'm no man.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
The buffalo sauce in the heartburn, that's what I'm just wondering,
can we do it?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Twelve and a half the point spread forty nine and
a half your tour, well.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
You guys, I will be unavailable to do the pod,
I think, just because technically is still setting up, uh
for what we've got in Buffalo. So I may just
leave it to you guys for the end of the week,
and then I'll just come back on the back end
and tell you all about it, and we'll talk about
week three.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Then we will hold it down.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
All right.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
You'll have the lineups and the rankings and everything again.
Reach Mike at Swollen home. You can find me at
dan Byer on Fox and find Ian on x at
Ian Roddy Underscore. All right, enjoy the game in Buffalo
whether it's supposed to be nice. So I'm happy about that.
No rain, no snow, no nothing temps. Just take a
nice summer day, you know, highs in the seventies, lows
in the high fifties at night.
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Speaker 4 (00:33):
I'll tell you what Week two is a tough week
to be a quarterback in the National Football League. That is,
if you wanted to stay healthy. That's what we dive
in on this episode for hit Mike up at Swollendome.
You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox and
Ian Roddy's our executive producer. Find him at Ian Roddy Underscore.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Mike. I was at the news desk on Monday.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
We knew Joe Burrow's injury on Sunday, but then new
started to trickle in. Jayden Daniels got this knee issue.
Dan Quinn's calling him day to day. We saw Justin
Fields leave against the Bills and we found out he's
in concussion protocol and then JJ McCarthy all of a
sudden has this high ankle sprain that we didn't know
that he suffered against the Atlanta Falcons, and all of
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a sudden, quarterbacks just flying flying into into medical tense
emergency rooms, whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
You have it. But a rough week for quarterbacks in week.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Two seems like we probably should have bet the over
on number of quarterbacks we're gonna see this year, because
if after two weeks we're already going to the well
on a handful of guys, it's it's usually they come
in giant buckets, and this was a really rough week.
The McCarthy one has got a bunch of conspiracy theorists around,
(01:44):
and given his struggles the first two weeks, right, one
good quarter of action against the Bears, and then there
he is on a scramble with the second to last
and people are trying to pinpoint what exactly did this
ankle thing happen?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
And did he just run on a drownine dancers.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
I don't know, but we get the Carson Wentz Show
once again because of it. So we get that we
have Jake Browning he was running around. Now we just
have the confirmation that we're not seeing Burrow again for
a couple of months and turf tow doesn't sound like much,
but I know a lot of X players chiming in
(02:21):
talking about how that was worse than bones they'd broken
or other injuries they'd sustained during their careers, because it was,
you know, one of those that seems like a bogus thing,
like you know, a paper cut or something. But yeah,
jitimid injury. Tarad Taylor makes a return, Marcus Mariota, the
guys are just hanging around. I think it was fifty
nine guys last year. What do you think, guys, are
(02:43):
we headed to the over Gosh?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, the year before I thought it was at sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's right, yep.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
So there's and there's a lot a lot to this.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
There are going to be quarterback changing, Like there's going
to be a quarterback change in New York with the
Giants at some point.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
So that's that's going to happen.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
It's these where you didn't expect it in Minnesota, you
didn't expect it in Washington, you didn't expect it in Cincinnati,
and you know, I don't think you really even expected
it with the Jets, except maybe because fields is more
of a runner that he could be susceptible to this
sort of injury. He ends up getting hurt on a
sack and hitting his head on the turf to enter
(03:20):
concussion protocol. He still might play against Tampa Bay, but
the point is, right now he's in concussion protocol. But yeah,
I think we are to that point, Mike. I think
that we are going to be threatening that number. And
it makes me scared to think of what could be
happening in weeks three, four, and five that could really
turn this season upside down, because I don't know. I
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don't know how you correct it, especially considering how much
we put on the plate of a quarterback nowadays. Coming
off of Monday Night game where Baker Mayfield somehow is
still standing in his team wins, Like, when you're getting
roughed up like he is, I don't know how in
the world you're gonna make it through seventeen games. Yeah,
I think you're right. I think we're on the track
(04:03):
to at least a high fifties, low sixties number.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
We come out of the Washington game for Week two
and we're marveling at the Packers defense and Eckler gets
hurt and you're seeing the offensive line struggle, and then
we get this news like, well, you're talking about Ni sprain.
That's usually not a one week And for Daniels, we'd
already seen him get beat up going back to last year, right,
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he was injured for a good chunk of the season.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Played well.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Still, you know, they managed to run through but not
sustainable with that kind of damage and number of hits
he was taking. It's still a huge surprise. I'm sure
you were at the desk, like I saw it pop
up on my feet. I went, really, okay, what where like?
Because immediately our instinct is I want to go back
(04:53):
and watch the game and see where this happens. Right,
and the internet salutes immediately start trying to figure out
a play, and there's not always something obvious. He could
have slipped in the shower to aggravate something. As a
fifty one year old man, I've got aches and pains
that I consistently try to figure out exactly their origin
story and I don't always know, Dan, I don't know
(05:14):
if there's demons in the night, if I bang my
head against a.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Wall or what I get it. I've injured myself during
this podcast, he just had no idea.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Just sitting here, I think I'm hurt.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You're laying on the ground like you're Peter Griffin and
you've hit your shint. But to that point right where
we like, for a justin fields, we look at Tua,
we look at Daniel Jones, we look at guys that
historically their viability, maybe they give us some highs, but
there are also guys that we're expecting some level of
(05:48):
non participation.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
See how nice I.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Put the injury bug away at non participation for at
least a game or two. Needless to say, we've also,
you know, already lost brock Purty, like he was already
off the board for us. And then we've got these
other situations where like in Cleveland, how long is Joe
Flacko the guy before they just say okay, let's let's
(06:14):
see what you got kid kind of thing. So yeah,
it's it's a curious space.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And then and then.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
We're a snap away from maybe Sador Sanders and.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
That knows it.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yes, I mean, if he didn't want to go to Baltimore,
that's that story.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That's a whole whole other story.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I do want to I do want to say this
on because there's two things that I think stood out.
I think something we've talked about this in previous podcasts,
but I think it's completely relevant right now. I had
Joe Burrow in a league I ended up losing by
twenty points, So Joe Burrow maybe could have gotten twenty points,
(06:58):
maybe not. But having eighty yards in a touchdown is
not what you expected. Again, in a game where it
was the highest point total over underwise going into the week,
take what Jake Browning had added on to Joe Burrow,
and that's probably the game that you get from Joe Burrow.
Lineups are completely devastated when the player gets knocked out
(07:20):
in the first half. I've thought of this rule. Your
player gets knocked out in the first half, you can
use your bench quarterback, but you only get half of
their points. What do you guys think about that? So
in my situation, it wouldn't matter because I had justin Fields.
(07:40):
So he gets knocked out and he even had fewer
points than Burrow did and played longer in the game.
It was such a miserable afternoon. I don't have to
tell Ian about it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Sorry, but for both of you on that one.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah, yes, it was a double dose. But you know,
hear me out on this, Like if you had, say,
Trevor Lawrence is your backup quarterback, Trevor Lawrence gives you
two hundred and seventy yards three touchdowns, does throw two picks?
However that breaks out for your I don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(08:14):
you split it in half.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Better than the better.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Than the seven or the you know, Aaron Rodgers blows
his achilles on the fourth play from scrimmage, so you're
at least competitive and the game is in a total wash.
I think that it just it takes everything out, and
especially the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's different.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Like if you're in a multiple flex league and you
got a bunch of running backs and wide receivers, you
can navigate that. It's difficult to navigate losing your quarterback
early in the game.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
What do you guys think about that proposal?
Speaker 6 (08:45):
Yeah, I mean I like it as sort of maybe
a league setting, And I think that's what you're suggesting, right.
It's not something that you know, gets implemented into every
ESPN league as a feature or something. It's something that
the commissioner can switch on and off.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I like that I think to have an option.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Yeah, with the amount of customization that goes into fantasy
leagues these days, why not have something like.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
As a guy who used to run leagues when this
fantasy world was starting at Yahoo, the number of times
like as we gave more configuration options that people would
have the unintended consequence of like I didn't realize it. Yeah,
there was a whole page I wrote to tell you
how that was going to work. But yes, because you
paid us money, they're making me undo all of the
(09:29):
damage you did to your league. But giving them that option,
I think it's there as opposed to having a dead
roster spot, seems simple enough to be able to create
a toggle situation.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
I talked to my buddy earlier this off season and
we were kind of talking about draft strategy and we're
changing some of our lineup stuff, and he goes, Honestly,
he goes, I'm not even going to carry a backup quarterback,
so I'd rather carry a running back or a wide receiver.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
That's the thing, too, is not everyone has a backup.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
But wouldn't it add value, Like now you are taking
someone so it makes your draft yeah a little So
Now like in the tenth and eleventh rounds where yeah,
you've already got your quarterback, but there's there is a
group of quarterbacks of Tua, of Dak, of c J Stroud,
Jordan Love that are you know, we're kind of that
(10:19):
second starter tier that are names and that you would
add like you would say like, okay, do I want
this quarterback. It's more of an insurance policy than anything else,
instead of just trying to to you know, guess when
a you know, or to predict when the buy or
have the buy is playing around the buy, is what
I'm trying to say. Sure, this would actually add strategy
where if something did happen, Now, if Burrow gets hurt
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on the last play of the game, you're obviously keeping
his full stats or whatever. But I just think it
puts teams at such a disadvantage when you lose your
quarterback in the first half because if you're running back
or receiver gets injured, they may have only add three
catches for thirty yards. Any that, you know, those things happen,
(11:01):
Those stinkers happen. Very rarely do you have a justin
fields type game like this, And I just think it
sets you so far behind and this at least would
keep you competitive in the week. I just think it's
a it's a way that, if you could, would be
something worthwhile to leagues. And then add it adds another
valuable spot on your bench and something that you'd have
to account for in that draft.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Just thinking about the draft potential, right, So maybe you're
more likely or or maybe change the variability of how
you're you're waiting the quarterbacks to where you do take
more of a risk to go in on one of
the mobile quarterbacks earlier. Yeah, to say, all right, I'll
try it for the upside, but I've got I also
(11:42):
know I have to come by insurance a little bit faster,
which is I think for some of the older quarterbacks,
how we've done it wondering you know where you find
the cliff. So you've come back for that second quarterback earlier.
But what's interesting you know of these this group that
got hurt. We talked about mac Jones and now you
have proof of concept at least for one week against
(12:04):
the Saints. But I mean, I didn't like what I
saw from the Washington offense anyway. So Jayden Daniels was
a guy for me that was truly drifting into mid
QB two and Mariota's a no fly zone. As much
as I may love dump offs to Zach Ertz, Carson,
Carson Wentz has to be better than JJ McCarthy. They
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I thought the Staton Obviously I didn't run the algorithm
myself and the formula, but they said if he'd just
spiked the ball every time, he would add a higher
quarterback rating than what he put up, like literally spiked
it into the ground every time. So you got that
going Browning has those wide receivers, and then we know
the to Rod Taylor, we could usually find a game
(12:49):
or two where we can goose something, but sustainability long term,
but what that means is now Garrett Wilson and Justin
Jefferson and some of these guys. Now, I don't know
what Carson Wentz has has been a couple of years
since he's had to play any real meaningful football.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Well, let's also to this, Jake Browning maybe a top
twenty five quarterback in the NFL, you know, and it
just he's the number one backup, like he's put up
numbers when he had to a couple of years ago
and took over for Burrow and was fine to that point,
I will say the McCarthy stuff. I don't know if
you guys feel this way. And this may be my
anti Michigan bias, but when you're stinking at quarterback, the
(13:28):
face paint just doesn't it just doesn't hit the war
paint that he that JJ Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just
when you're eleven for twenty one with two interceptions, you know,
like it's like.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Okay, all right, we're in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I think there's going to be a point in his
career where that doesn't happen anymore. Yeah, I just I'm
just guessing. But to me, it just kind of rings
hollow when you can't score an offensive touchdown.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
No, I get I get it.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
It looks perception is everything, right, you can be the
old you're only seeing when you're winning. Uh, And like
I want the guy to be the guy. So if
that's who he is, as long as he continues to
wear it and recognize.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Do I sound like, get off my lawn? Do I
sound old in saying saying this?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
I mean I'm trying to think. I'm racking my brains
of other quarterbacks who do it, and.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I'm there all.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
Number two used to do the crosses under his eyes,
but I guess there was a point where he stopped.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Pounds of eye black, like over both cheeks.
Speaker 6 (14:34):
If he's the only one doing it, then I'm with you.
Something that people grow out of, then.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, I love to know the origin story. Sure as
a quarterback, because that's generally not where you're going, except
unless it's photo day. Sure that maybe you didn't for
for your photo or right, But but yeah, that I
gotta imagine those guys get a little bit salty there
in Minnesota, Uh, I mean and TJ. Hockinson another guy
(15:02):
that looked a lot slower getting in and out of
his routes than years past. But eventually Addison comes back
off suspension, so that should help.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I'm with you at the Mariota stuff, you know, Terry
McLaurin at the holdout hasn't trans you know, hasn't been
able to translate into numbers early on this season. It's
funny how we look at the commanders because at one
point you're like, Woally Jaydeen, Daniels, Eckler, McLaurin, Ertz, you
meant you mentioned Deebo Samuel And now I'm like man,
(15:34):
this team was awesome in twenty twenty one, like they
were great in twenty twenty one, and now Jade Daniels
is hurt. I know they brought over Tunzel, but there's
still pieces that I don't know how strong they are
up front on both sides of the football. So I
have questions about the Commanders as well. I I'm wondering
(15:55):
on how the Wentz thing turns out.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
It's we'll see.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Maybe they getting the shootout because the Bengals defense it
is so bad and Justin Jefferson can get his numbers.
But but otherwise, yeah, I'm I'm not I'm not cost
I'm not optimistic necessarily with Washington. I'm not optimistic with
Ian's Jets. If there's there's no Justin fields. Although passing
wise may open up a little bit. Maybe Braylan Allen
(16:19):
didn't get much action. I I don't know, there's nowhere
to go butt up. I guess from the Jets in
that perspective, But you know, Torod's Taylor's got a ceiling,
and going down the road at Tampa is going to
be a tough task.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
As any any Jets commentary you want to fire in there,
Ian or is it just kind of like me talking
about the Bears at some point, Like I said, at all,
it's just kind of I just.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
Want to know how the run game is gonna end up,
you know, playing out because you got like they've been
saying all off or they were saying all off season.
Then they're going to use all three of their guys
Brice Hall, Brailan Allen, and Isaiah Davis who's now kind
of their primary kick returner after they released Gibson the
other day, but.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
Who everybody got all upset about. He was terrible consistently
like this wasn't a y. I don't think there's any
reason to be upset at all. He should have been
like he was escape. I'm like, no, that was the
last straw that Jets.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
Jets, Jets fans have known that Gibson should not have
made the team. So it was just a complete vindication
saying with Michael Clemmons having a huge penalty that he
was a Jets things.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
But he was the was he the hero in the
Bills game?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
He was injury, so he pretty much bought himself two
years of a career just off that one play.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Absolutely, that's absolutely what happened.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
But I mean, Breeze Hall becomes one of those interesting
guys like a chan a douple of these teams that
start to sink that you might be going, hey, we
need a running back over here.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, thanks for roling me back in, because that's
where I was going with is the run game Breeze Hall?
Week one? Did one look like the guy you looked? Fast, explosive.
Buffalo probably was selling out to stop him, and not
that other teams don't have the ability to do that,
but they're not going to be facing the Buffalo defense
every week. So I'm still pretty high on Breece Hall
after that Steelers performance.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
All Right, there's a look at our quarterback injuries. It's
a big week here, and I want your flex. I'll
be at Bill's Dolphins. But for a reason that I
may not have made clear on other podcasts, I'm going
to explain and the guys will chime in on the
conversation as well. Where have you always wanted to go
in the National Football League? Will the Scotts discuss it next?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Here? And I want your flex.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
We're gonna do a little combo here. We're gonna look
ahead to the Thursday night game. The start week three
between the Dolphins and Bills. Try to give you some
advice on that one. But also since I will be
in the building, I figured what perfect time then to
just talk about the reason why I'm going to Buffalo.
Not a Bills fan, not a Dolphins fan, I've never
(18:54):
been to Buffalo, and Mike and Ian it's one of
the reasons why I'm going. I've never been to Buffalo
or high Mark Stadium, and it's the last year of
that stadium.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
And there have been.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
Many facilities in sports that I've always wondered what things
look like and how it would be to see a
game there, And Buffalo has been on my list for
well over a decade, and it's my last chance to
see it. And I wasn't going to go in December
or in January or even November. I wasn't gonna even
gonna risk it Lake Effect snow. I didn't want to
(19:26):
deal with it. I wanted to go to an early
season game to just see what it was like. We're
going to be there for about forty eight hours, Me
and Jason Stewart, Doug Gottlieb Show producer. He's got family
in the New York area. That's why I'm going to
Bills and Dolphins on Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
I dig that.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Get in and Final year Goats, experience some of that.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Man.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
You know, it's not quite fall, so you don't get
the colors and all of that of Upstate New York.
But you can go have some wings. You watch some
jackasses throw each other through tables. One of you doesn't participate,
then the whole thing is I.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Mean, we're.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Jumping through a table.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Don't worry.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
We won't be loading up on green dildos either to
throw on.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We want tables.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
None, none of that.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
We're gonna keep it clean. We're gonna We're gonna this
is gonna be above board. But I just wanted to see.
I wanted to see what that stadium is like, because
there isn't a facility in the NFL like it, and
I'm not sure how many there were like it.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
It is so it's so unique.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
You could tell, like the the suites that they have
were completely added on sure, like the renovation that they
didn't even try to make it look like it was
a part of the original design. It's just like an
extra double wide in the corner of the end zone.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I always found that that was intriguing.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
The camera angle, guys, when we watch it on TV
is so low, like there's there's some that are you
feel like you're on the moon watching it, like straight down.
And the camera angle in Buffalo is it's a great
camera angle. And so I've always had this view of
what Buffalo, what the stadium, and what the game would
look like.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
So that's why I'm going.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Have there been any places where you've wanted to go
or would want to go? It could be even outside
of the National Football League MIC, But I know you've
been to a lot of spots, But is there anywhere
where you're still like, man, I'd like to see a
game there.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
I have a lot of college stadiums I haven't had
gotten a chance to hit yet, right, I mean, my
daughters in the next year will go off to college,
so Saturday afternoons, if I'm not visiting them, the potential
is to take a red eye and find myself an
SEC country.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Sure done the Big Ten.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I've been to all of those, well, at least the
stadiums through Penn State. I guess all the extra add
ons the last couple of years. I mean, what no Rutgers,
the State College and New Jersey and I have a
date at some point, no question.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yeah, I mean I'll get to that, I think.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Obviously, I've been to the Rose Bowl, I've been to
the Colisee and whatever. So I mean, I've still got
a couple of the recent ads. Unfortunately, schedule is not
going to permit me to go to the Adjunk. I
haven't been able to get home to Northwestern in the
Mini Mini Stadium and before that's renovated. We'll see. There's
there's always a potential. You never know what the travel
(22:25):
gods bring to you. But certainly the college game I
think is more for me. Like I've been to Lambo.
I'm heading out to Baltimore at the end of October,
so i'll check that box. Nice been to you know,
to Pittsburgh and a bunch uh. If if I could
go back in time, I'd love to go to the
Stick again. Like of stadiums of the past, what a
(22:49):
hole that was.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
It was a terrible facility.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
I'll tell you what this the Candlestick Park is one
of the reasons why I'm doing this because I never
got to go.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh it was terrible, but it was fun at the
same time.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Yeah, and I don't want to say that I've heard
great things, but I just I thought the location of
the stadium was unique, just the look of it on
TV and just even if you would think back of
like even when the Giants played there played baseball, and
how that is This Candlestick is the one is the
(23:24):
reason why I am taking this trip because I missed
out on Candlestick.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, the last time I got there because I was
up there working at Yahoo for a couple of years
and going to school at Santa Clara while my my
ex was doing her her doctorate at Stanford Is, we
would get to go to games. And the last game
I went to get this it was Jerry Rice's final
home game as a forty nine er too. Caught twenty
(23:50):
passes wo Cade McNown quarterback the Bears, and we didn't
get past the fifty yard line and they gave away
a flip book at the catch that nobody wants. So
I picked up like a hundred of them and made
a mint on eBay.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Wow. Nice works.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh that's very very so I still have the ticket stub.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Like but like great memories, like I was with a
couple of relatives that lived in the area and we
just watched the futility, but the whole time it's.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Like, well, how many catches does he have now?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
And then they're carrying both of the guys on their
shoulders and you could see how pissed Jerry Rice was
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
That too gets this.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Massive game, but like it was just an amazing amalgam
of suckage for the Bears. But on the other side,
you're watching two of the greats.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Ian.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
I know that you are a lot younger than us,
but are there stadiums places that you want to go
or he's an old shoulder, Dan, Yes, he is that
you wish you would have seen, kind of like I'm
trying to do here before Highmark Stadium goes away.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
None that are like gone right now that at least
come to mind. I'm sure if I thought about it.
But I mean, when you said this, the first thing
is that I've never been to Lambeau and that's definitely like,
that's that's the football capital, you know, So that's that's
where I would want to go. It's outdoor, it's it's
the oldest stadium in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Right, So, well, here's the funny thing about Lambo, is
it is, but it isn't because Mike's team, the Bears.
The site of Soldier Field and Lambo isn't as old
as people think it is. But I mean it's like
it doesn't it's not nineteen twenties. It's late nineteen fifties.
They played at City Stadium prior to that, but then
(25:36):
Lambeau Field was built. But in growing up in Wisconsin,
it wasn't that destination that was thought nationally. And I
feel like it's only been a thing of the last
twenty twenty five years, maybe as the NFL has become
so big that you still have this small market team.
I mean, the stadium has gone under so many renovations
(25:59):
in different chains and now it's just I mean, it's
it's crazy on what it's been. But growing up, it
wasn't that destination. I felt that so many people wanted
to go to it had that charm and maybe it
was because you know, there were other older stadiums still
around in the NFL. But I do think that that
has played a role into it.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. And then and then Mike mentioning colleges
that also spoke to me. I didn't even consider that
when you first asked us the question. But yeah, I mean, yeah,
going to like kneel in for Tennessee or you know,
Tuscaloosa to see the Crimson Tide. Because you know, my
favorite and most electric football game I've been to was
when I went to see the Texas Longhorns against Alabama,
(26:41):
and that was in Austin, Ah.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Nice sae there you go over one.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Hundred thousand people there, you get all the chance. Just
college football is on such a different level from like
any other.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Ste just it right, that resonance, that emotion, totally, totally right,
complete investment in it. Like my brothers were at the
Bears opener, right, they've got season tickets going on a
lot of years.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
They get disgusted enough that they just leave.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
At some point, whereas with your college team, you're waiting, yeah,
in the until the final gun sounds.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Football, yeah, but but yeah, I mean any of those
top but you know the swamp in Florida, Camp Randall, Wisconsin,
just any of those Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Camp Randall's a man, that is a different experience. That
is a most welcoming I think of opposing fans. Now,
we were Northwestern, and we sucked terribly when I was
there and it was really cold. I had a bottle
of something called hot Damn that a guy gave me
really really really really good.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing about Wisconsin fans. And
when I went to school, there only had season tickets
one year and I went to do games. It was
it was the opener against Colorado and Rick new Heisel
was the coach and Ray Carruth was on Colorado.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
So like this is way back then.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
It was my first week in my freshman year, and
then I went to the Ohio State game later on
that year. But the students don't you know about jump around? Right,
everybody knows about jump Around, but the students don't show
up until like the second quarter, correct, because they're still
(28:20):
everybody's out drinking, they're at house parties, they're on langdon
you know, across the stadium across the street.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
You see kickoff, and.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
You will see the student sections O and P, like
those are the student sections, and they're half full, and
then they'll slowly start to build up and then jump
Around comes out and everybody's going crazy. And then if
it's a whatever game, by the middle of the fourth quarter,
it's back to being like half full. It's yeah, it's
really it's crazy. But that's what you get with college.
(28:51):
It's the students, and sometimes the students get the wrath
of the the the longtime fan and the alumni because
in the game and they don't care. They're puke and
their guts out anyway by the by the middle of
the fourth quarter. But yeah, it's truly crazy. I'm going
to just leave on this note with before we get
to to the plays for Thursday night. High Mark Stadium
(29:14):
was built in nineteen seventy three. There are only three
stadiums older than that facility currently in the NFL, so
that Soldier Field, Lambeufield and Arrowhead in Kansas City place
I've never been to. That I'd love to check out.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
That's another one.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, I think that would be a great place. This
is what's scary. And Mike will know this, and Ian
you won't because you weren't born yet. Mike and I
will remember when hard Rock Stadium with the Dolphins was built. Sure,
and after high Mark in seventy three, there's this Superdome
in New Orleans seventy five and then hard Rock Stadium
(29:50):
home of the Dolphins. Right now, the sixth oldest facility
in the National Football League. We remember when the Dolphins
played games at the Orange Bowl, and it's crazy to
think that that facility now is the sixth oldest in
the entire National Football League and about to be the
fifth because of the new stadium in Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
No build, go build the skyboxes. Look.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
The first time I saw the toilet bowl they put
over Soldier Field, I cried, literally, I had to pull
over as I was driving down and I'd seen the renderings,
I'd seen it on TV. The first time I saw
it in person where you still have the pillars, but
over the top it looks like a giant toilet bowl,
I cried. I'm like, you just bastardized my childhood. So
(30:35):
there you go. Go see them before they do it
to yours.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Yeah, and heck, your bear's likely getting a new stadium soon.
So the Dolphins will just keep moving up that list
and pretty soon it'll be Lambeau, Arrowhead and hard Rock Stadium.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Is your three classic NFL stadium.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
That's how you take away from the failures of your
general manager.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
You keep offuscation. Hey, look, new stadium over here.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We are committed are to nights.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
How about being committed to drafting good players and going
through the draft process.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
How dare you?
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Oh boy, how okay?
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Whatever happened to Alan Williams in that running back coach
last year?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
All right, let's get let's get to Mike's ever a
never ending quest of fighting out what happened with the
Bears coaching staff and Alan Williams? All right, who are
we playing with Bill's Dolphins coming up on Thursday night?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I think we're just looking at our usual suspects here,
fellas I man Josh Allen has obviously said it, and
forget it, broken nose at all.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Now he looks like a prize fighter. I'll take the two.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Running backs as as RB ones eight Chan, especially if
he's going to be that active in the past game.
Run after the catch we get some love. But but
after that, now we start getting a little dicey. Maybe
a little Dalton kincaid as a back end tight end one,
but even that, uh, look at your options, you might
(31:54):
you might have something else. Now, all these quarterback changes
over the course of the week, with all of these
injury issues, Mike creates some strange bedfellows along the way,
But certainly for this week, you know the wide receiver position.
I think Hill's got enough targets to be a third
wide receiver to this point. And then you pick your poison.
(32:15):
Do you like Shakir or Coleman. I'll take the high
high ceiling of a keon Coleman as opposed to the
higher floor.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
I am Leo Shakir.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I am.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
I'm hoping it's a competitive game, but then in a way,
I'm kind of hoping it's not because I just want
to see then what craziness may transpire with Bill's fans
in Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Should be a good time. And I'm planning and eating
a lot of wings.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Well, I'm jealous of that. I'll probably have to supply
some in the studio on Thursday. Dan, let's see what
do we got for an over under? We got forty
nine and a half.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
For the for the game, I believes. I don't know
if you're going to say wings that I was going
to eat.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
And well, over the time and how long are you there?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Forty eight hours?
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Yeah, you could do a wing an hour.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
We could do a wing an hour. You're a man,
Come on, I'm no man.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
The buffalo sauce in the heartburn, that's what I'm just wondering,
can we do it?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
Twelve and a half the point spread forty nine and
a half your tour, well.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
You guys, I will be unavailable to do the pod,
I think, just because technically is still setting up, uh
for what we've got in Buffalo. So I may just
leave it to you guys for the end of the week,
and then I'll just come back on the back end
and tell you all about it, and we'll talk about
week three.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Then we will hold it down.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
All right.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
You'll have the lineups and the rankings and everything again.
Reach Mike at Swollen home. You can find me at
dan Byer on Fox and find Ian on x at
Ian Roddy Underscore. All right, enjoy the game in Buffalo
whether it's supposed to be nice. So I'm happy about that.
No rain, no snow, no nothing temps. Just take a
nice summer day, you know, highs in the seventies, lows
in the high fifties at night.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
And should beautiful. We love it when you listen to
I want your flacks. You can't wait to talk to
you next time. Talk to you then,
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