February 11, 2025 • 30 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon break down Super Bowl LIX between the Eagles and Chiefs. The guys dive deep into the game, discussing everything that went into Philly's 40-22 beatdown of Kansas City, including what went so terribly wrong for Mahomes and the Chiefs. Who deserves the most credit for the Eagles win: Jalen Hurts, Nick Sirianni or Howie Roseman?
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Speaker 5 (00:55):
That's correct, Ian Roddy underscore.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm never gonna get it right, Mike, but.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
There you got the fact that you're lucid and still
alive after a week in New Orleans is an important thing.
And I say that only because of the reputation of
New Orleans as wrecking people in the middle of the night,
not for any other nefarious purpose, for.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
A guy that again has the diet of a ten
year old and doesn't drink. I've figured out ways to
make New Orleans work for me, and I've just walked everywhere.
I've been walking here, there, and everywhere. So while most
people go and leave New Orleans in much worse shape
than they arrived, I actually think I'm in better physical
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shape just because I've decided to walk everywhere. I've tried
to take a negative and turned it into a positive,
and I think that's maybe what we have to do
with Super Bowl fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I was in the building last night.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I could share my experiences, love to hear what you
guys think as well.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But Mike, I just start out with this.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
For a game that wasn't gathering tons and tons of
hype throughout the week, it didn't live up to its
expectations in actual game time, and I feel a little
Super Bowl emptiness coming from what we saw with the
Eagles beating the Chiefs forty to twenty two.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, we knew there were, I mean a bunch of
storylines that were simmering, but until the game played out,
we didn't know which direction media got to go, right,
It's all about three pets in dynasty and the goat
being displaced by the goat while calling the game, and
all of these things, Nick Sirianni. If they were to
get blown out or lose out to get at any
(02:31):
point are they is he getting fired? Kellen Moore as
a coach in waiting, all we did was belly ach
about the defensive the Detroit coordinators. Hey, you know what,
the interview process shouldn't be there, so you know this
is terrible. Well what do they say now? Kellen Moore
had a master plan? Offensively, Vic Fangio is a wizard,
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and so you know, do we blow up those And
then we start pointing fingers at Ben Johnson and Glenn
like we didn't a couple of weeks ago, trying to
make excuses. So I mean all of that to say,
you know, this was the one part of if you
drew the Giant pie chart, dan ian I think this
was the you had a couple percentage chants because even
(03:12):
we were talking about it a little in the studio
on Sunday morning of what if it becomes Seattle Denver?
Just that one little bit of what if it becomes Seattle, Denver,
and damned if it didn't.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Well, I'll tell you the reason why we think that
it wouldn't happen is because we feel that the NFL
bends over backwards and trying to make sure that it
doesn't happen again, that it doesn't happen off our super
Bowls of the late eighties and early nineties that Mike
and I and so many of us grew up with,
and the NFL is based so much on parody, and
(03:46):
I think that in the end, it's their hope that
that parody reigns supreme in the final game.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And granted we were on a great string of Super
Bowl win or games with games being contested there for
a while. We're coming off overtime won last year, the
first two possession overtime super Bowl that we had, So
you would hope that maybe momentum would carry on. But realistically, Mike,
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as you're saying, in the back of your mind, there
could be a blowout because what are the odds that
it's actually going to get better?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And it didn't get better.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
And I think that my big takeaway from this, it's
not even just specifically from the game. It's that something
you mentioned with the coaches and the interviews and the
Lions losing their coordinators. What dawned on me was if
Buffalo beats Kansas City, Buffalo's in the same place that
Kansas City is today. If Detroit ends up beating Washington
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in that game, they don't beat Philadelphia in the NFC
Championship game, like the Eagles just show that they were
the best team. And even when you try to take
away their best player, which the Chiefs did by and
large last night, they didn't have enough. Kansas City didn't
have enough defensively to even put a dent into the
Eagles offense. And then we saw just on how the
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Eagles defense dominated the Kansas City specifically Philly's front four
dominating that offensive line. Philly showed that they were the
best team in the NFL through the season, and at
the end of the season at Chure showed in Super
Bowl fifty nine.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, all the cracks that you know were supposedly there,
and we had a brief moment, I mean, you were
in stadiums, you wouldn't have seen it where aj Brown
on the sideline was kind of fired up it's like,
is he mad or are we finally getting even though
you're winning that he's kind of selling like we were
just grasping its straws. Sure, Dan, But I'll tell.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You what that was, because that was right and actually
right in front of us. He was when Hurts thought
he was Hurts throw a back shoulder and Brown went long.
I thought on it, and then because he came to
the sidelines and he was you know, this was before
he caught his touchdown pass. Of course, that cures all.
But I think that was the play and if it wasn't,
then there would He was huffed on the one that
(05:53):
I saw, so then there maybe there were multiple, but
I know on that one pass he was not happy.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, just an amazing run overall. I mean, there's just
a couple of plays that stand out for me early
when it was still potentially a game, right Kelsey right
off the jump, the first drop, like, I don't know
what happens if that, you know, he gets the first
down there instead, that's a series ender. We obviously had
the DeAndre Hopkins play late in the first half. Does
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that change everything? No? But if nothing else, that dangerous
word hope starts to creep back in and you know
you're not just trying to bend, bend every which way
to find an excuse and reason and rationale that all right,
suddenly the Chiefs are gonna figure it all out in
the second half and the Eagles are gonna collapse. Cause
I mean that was kind of a lot of the
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halftime rhetoric of here's how you do it, and I
get it. Brady's in the booth and you know, we
think twenty eight to three and everything. But Dan, you know,
just all the way through the front four that you
don't have to really blitz and you know, we can
fight over some antics of what's ringing extra pressure and
what's not the point is that they didn't have to
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sell out at any point to get after Patrick Mahomes,
knock him off the spot and throw off the timing
of everything. And I was just really shocked that from
a chief's perspective, you know, run the ball, you know, fine,
p checko or hunt. You needed more of that, But
just in terms of allowing plays to are trying to
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allow plays to develop instead of just quick hitters, quick
slants whatever, to try to just get the ball in
guy's hands. See if you can make a miss, you know,
test the tackling form, all of those things. Brandon Graham's
back there for the first time in what nine ten weeks,
trying to see if you can get him in coverage
and maybe expose a little something, and they didn't do anything.
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They kept trying to do the drop back, thinking that
suddenly that their offensive line was going to figure it out,
and you know, all of that on the other side
for the game plan to scheme away Barkley. I thought
his best play were his blocking, sure right, I mean,
which you nobody's going to point out, but you know
that's what you and I do, and I and we
(08:07):
try to go a little dig a little deeper in
this stuff. Like a couple of times he was the
lead guy for hurts and letting him break for you.
So it's like, even though stows don't count as stats
towards the over under of one thirteen to one eighteen,
wherever you got in pivotal play is to extend drives.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Do you guys remember in our last podcast and we
did some prop bets and I talked about Isaiah Pacheco's
rushing total. Remember I was so shocked that it was
it was at twenty one and a half Ian you
remember this, I was.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I was dumbfounded by well, well, what do you know?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What do you enough?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'll tell you what I know.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I ripped up my bet slip that I made at
the Caesar Sports Book about a mile down the road
from the Superdome because I had Isaiah Pichecko over twenty
one and a half yards.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Boy was I wrong on that one.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
In fact, the only person to get above twenty one
yards rushing on the can the City Chiefs was Patrick
Mahomes and his four rushes. I've got a different story
on that that I'll say for the end of this podcast,
because I did hit on the Mahomes under rushing. But yeah,
to the point of just how bad it was the
prop bet that stood out to me the most. That
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has to be Oh, come on here, Kansas City, at
least is going to give the ball to Isaiah Pachecko,
where he's going to get twenty one yards three carries
seven yards along of.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Six for Isaiah Pacheco.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, just an absurd just absolving themselves of any semblance
of trying to do the run game. At least I
don't have to hear anybody on our network or the
nationwide media clamor for Matt Naggy getting another job.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
But that that's true.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So if anything, it killed that narrative a pretty vast
Salty Bears fan here for those unawares. But yeah, the
fact that between Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Pachecko you have
a total of six rushing a town, I just don't look,
the game didn't get away quite that fast man. And
obviously Mahomes and the pick six, uh stands up and
(10:09):
like we we celebrate all things Iowa haw guys football.
So Cooper de Gene uh getting his day on his birthday, right.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
On his birthday, the other birthday, the.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Other exactly, it was all Barkley, Barkley, Barkley all week
of how you know, the coronation on his birthday and
instead you get the pick six.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
You could say that de Gene actually had a bigger
impact on the outcome of the game than Barkley did
just because he had the pick six. Yeah, so he
probably finished higher in the MVP rankings than Barkley did.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Well, he changes that game immensely. I mean, just like that,
It's like whoa, Okay, now we're talking two touchdowns. I
mean when they threw up the halftime grad, I was
with a couple of folks watching the game, and I'm
trying not to be football guy, and and you know,
keep explaining crap. I fail at that because, like, if
(10:58):
you know stuff, you want to help peep the they're
you know, shrugging their shoulders, trying to figure out what
the hell's going on. Not massive football fans, most in
attendance that it's like, all right, they put up the
halftime graphic of the one first down. It's like they're like, no,
they had to be better than that. They're like, no,
you haven't really been watching, have you. You really got
into the chips a little bit. Yeah, a little bit
(11:21):
too much there be cause I mean that was complete
and utter domination. I mean that's Mike Tyson, Connor McGregor,
Ronda Rousey all wrapped into one, just beating the hell
out of you and sending you to the mat immediately.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It was eighteen to one.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That was my favorite stat at one point in the
first half. That was the rushing carries compared to both teams.
And the Eagles were winning at that time, so they
run the ball eighteen times.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
The times the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Having to play catch up, but no stress on the
Eagles defense. They ran the ball once and I did sweet.
It's not exclusive to me, but at the time of
the Cooper Degen interception, I wrot I.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Think this is over. I think that this game was
done just.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Because Kansas City didn't have it. I do feel that
the last three years played into this, the runs that
they had that at some point it's just going to
catch up to you, and I think it caught up
with them early on and there just wasn't anything left
in the tank for them to provide. But in saying that,
I thought their game plan was awful. And I also
(12:25):
got really angry when I saw on social media because
I was able to look on social media throughout the
game and seeing how many people wanted to point out
twenty eight to three and what the Patriots came back
from with the Falcons, and it's just like, No, this
is you talk about explaining to people at a party MIC.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
We have peers who are saying that and.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Putting that out on social media, and to me, it's
such a tell of how you don't know football. And
I'm not trying to be all high and mighty I
know all football, because there's tons of stuff that I
don't know. But if you can't see how physically dominant
Philadelphia was, and remember how gassed the Atlanta Falcons defense was,
which allowed the Patriots Kansas City did nothing to tell
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you that they were capable of coming back from a
twenty eight to three point deficit. And the only reason
that got to twenty two points and it was twenty
four to nothing at one point. The only reason that
they got to at the half of was twenty four nothing.
But the only reason that they ended up getting back
in the game is because the Eagles just let them right, Like,
you know, it was just it wasn't a prevent defense.
(13:29):
It's just like, all right, let's just get the football
back so we can run more time off the clock.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Can I just put my hands up? Can I just
put my hands up, though, Dan and say that. I
was watching as the Eagles poured it on. I was thinking,
in the back of my mind, Mahomes, you know, like
it's Patrick Mahomes on the other side. That kind of felt.
I still felt like there was a chance personally, but
I don't know. At the end of the day, he
looked rattled to the point that like we honestly have
(13:54):
we ever seen mahomes as rattled as he was in
that guy?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Now what he was running side dialing the sideline against
the Bucks?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I mean yeah, but this was they did this.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
He got blood. Yeah, this, he got bludget That's the crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Did you guys see that stat that this is uh,
he wasn't blitzed a single time and actually in Super
Bowls this is the sixth time that's happened. And teams
that don't blitz once they've never lost, well doing all right,
they're six and zero. Yeah, that's crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, well I've you know, kind of obliquely referenced it
before because folks are now doing the slap fighting on
Twitter to decide what pressures and blitzes how they're going
to chart them, because you know, everybody's got got their
own system anymore, so like ESPN creating the you know,
extra quarterback rankings and all of those kind of fun
things through the time. But yeah, I mean with Patrick Maholmes,
(14:40):
I think that's what everybody was selling. Right. If you're
gonna say he could be the goat, well here's the opportunity, right,
Because to your point, Dan some of the tweets that
I was seeing was the well, how appropriate when he
comes back that Brady's in the booth to watch it
and have to call it, and all of those kind
of things.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
The NFL scripted proof what would.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Have been on the tile.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
There's also something to it and not to in totally fine,
totally fine that you felt that way. We're going to
take a time out. I'll tell you it's two. It's
totally fine. But I woulted people for saying that they
didn't know football. And I don't want to sound like
I'm trying to be a know it all because I
don't know it all, but it's just in game flow
and how you see things. I want to address that,
(15:25):
at least on the other side. And plus I want
to ask you guys a couple of other things that
stood out to me. I'm curious if it stood out
for you, and we can do vice versa. It is
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It is I want your flex. He's by Karmen and
I'm Dan Bayer. That's Ian Roddy, and we were talking
about the conversation of the where the chiefs capable of
making a comeback, and Ian said, hey, I kind of
thought I was kind of one of the people that
maybe Dan was criticizing in saying that he thought that
a comeback could happen. Why I kind of get sensitive
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about the issue is twofold and Mike, I don't know
how you feel about this. You do a show five
days a week, and then you have your Sunday show
on Sunday mornings, so it's almost every day of the week.
You're talking about this the whole week when people were
talking about their predictions, and I don't care about what
who people thinks.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Going to win games. I say, I want a guy
who smoked for.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Fifty years and you know, lives in Vegas giving me
my picks.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
That's what I've always said.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
But throughout this week, I feel that people that didn't
watch anything in the NFL or really weren't in tune,
were just saying, well, I can't bet against Mahomes. Sure,
I can't bet against Mahomes here, and so that feeds
into it, that feeds it that, well, Mahomes could be
down twenty four nothing, and as we saw last night,
Mahomes was the.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Only thing that the Kansas City Chiefs had, and what
again them get them nothing?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
They didn't have a running game, they didn't have offensive
lineman blocking, they didn't have anything. Philadelphia had everything, and
that's why they were the better team. I picked the
Eagles to win. I only picked them to win by six.
Thirty three to twenty seven was my pick. So it's
not that I foresaw this huge blowout last night, But
I just feel that when people were trying to look
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at the game, they're just be like, well, I can't
bet against Mahomes. And then I'm wondering, are you thinking
that the NFL is going to make sure that Mahomes
wins or that if it's close, you like Mahomes. In
the end, there was never really any substance put behind
it. It was just I can't bet against Patrick Mahomes. And
I think that's what got me off on the wrong foot.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Oh, I mean, I think that's fair, Dan. I mean
that seemed to be the summary statement for a lot
of people I talked to during the week, and certainly
in the vast social media sphere and even people that
were you know, casual fans. That part of the folks
you know that I watched with or you know that
you engaged during the week. You know what, it's him
(18:01):
And for me, it was all right, they'll win a
close game because they're button down if it's close late
and I trust that they'll get it out. Well instead,
you know, you just get blown out of the water.
And it's because I think we all stipulated that the
Eagles had a better roster. I don't think anybody that's
watched it down of football could have told themselves that
any you know, it was an equal footing there. It
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just becomes the you know, taking care of business, turnover battle,
you know, making the most of those possessions. Again, the
game plan offensively just an absolute joke. But thought the
offensive line would hold up marginally better. But what did
we talk about all last week the defensive line. Smith
was making fun of me at the end of the
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week about it, Mike, It's all determined by these guys, right,
we do the long shot MVP picks and I'm on
Carl loftis. On one side, they stole a sack because
do the lined up off side jerk and then on
the other side, Jalen Carter and what you know, the
havoc that he reeks the world. But it's just the
kind of thing that the yeah they've got Mahomes analysis
(19:05):
is like, all right, just just go do something else,
go cover college basketball. Now you're clearly done with the
NFL for this year. But I think to Ian's point,
there's also just the you're so invested in it. You're like,
please show me something right, and if anybody could do it, Mahomes,
maybe you find some magic again. You had the Kelsey
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drops and you had that Hopkins play. I almost threw
something at the television. It wasn't my TV, so I'm
glad I didn't. But it's just like, really, there's your
one shot and that's it.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Maybe and maybe maybe I need to cool down just
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
You know, super Bowl is watched by everybody pretty much,
so everybody's gonna want to have an opinion, whether it's you.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Know, educated or not educated.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And again I'm not trying to be some know at all,
but it just to me was I remember super Bowl
fifty one and then now the stories that we hear
about it in what Atlanta's defense didn't have and why
Kyle Shanahan need to sit on the ball even more
so or at least for anyway for those reasons. Yeah,
but anyway we can move on from that. You did
(20:11):
mention something Mike on an off sides call. Did you
guys think that we were in for another penalty situation
on the AJ Brown penalty to start the game?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I definitely, Well, we we here at the studio and
we were pulling highlights and stuff early on there was
a penalty. Yeah, the AJ Brown won. We made sure
to pull that audio just make sure we had the
radio call for it, because the Eagles guys right off
the bat like, that's a terrible call. I don't want
to start, you know, blaming the refs this early, but
that is absolutely egregious and stuff, and we wanted to
have it in the system in case this became a
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theme throughout the game, because you know, obviously that early
on and going into the game, it was something. So
I don't know, but obviously it obviously it didn't end
up being much of a factor.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
But I felt that the Trent McDuffie personal foul was
a makeup call for that AJ Brown.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Did you guys get that sound?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, yes, And then you don't get the you know,
blow to the head call, you know, head balls out.
It's like, okay, which was surprising, right that, Hey we
get the turnover there. But yeah, I was kind of
glad that the officials. It's one of those like I
joked about once having to do ayso refereeing right, because
you got to have so many points in parent volunteering
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and whatever else. And the only game that I could
referee was an under twelve boys. I'd never referee a
game when you do the training, everything's done like you're
looking down at a field through a luxury box, so
it's easy to see off sides. It's easy to see
all the scenarios that they drop. And then all of asudly,
you got twelve year olds beating the hell out of
each other and you're trying to adjudicate what's there. Oh
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and I had no ars, so how about that? Fortunately
I ended up being an eight nothing burial, so no
matter how badly I refereed, it didn't matter. But it
was just like the first it was the worst hour
of my life, like I hated every minute of it.
So I'm just glad that in this case, we can't
point to one official thing and make it a giant mountain.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
This week, something dawned on me in watching last night
was the NFL doesn't play on neutral site fields very often.
So when Kansas City is getting their calls, a lot
of times those calls happen at Arrowhead, and so.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
The fans, you're not hearing the reaction a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Road teams don't usually get the favorable whistle in any
sport anywhere, right, So when we're sitting at home and
we're having our conversations throughout the week, I think that
the Chiefs getting a call here at Arrowhead didn't necessarily
register until Mike, you cracked your mic on Monday, until
I cracked my mic on Monday, until everybody does, or
the postgame shows on Sunday, that's when it happens. Maybe
(22:48):
a comment during the game by the broadcasters, we'll bring
it up, but it's just the fact of it's a
narrative that Philadelphia fans could react to in real time,
and Chiefs fans are going to boo the ref when
the calls going for them.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So that to me was like there was an instant
response from.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
The Philadelphia fans, which by the way, was completely over
the top because of the penalty, and you're thinking, oh goodness,
here we go again. So I thought that was interesting,
and I thought that the make it was a complete
makeup call and in the end it just didn't matter.
But I felt that that was the referees way of saying,
all right, let's right this wrong and move on from here.
And that that's where I thought the McDuffie penalty came in,
(23:26):
that they didn't want the officiating to be a story.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah. No, I mean, look, even Brady went against the
officials more early. Yeah, like even you know, the offensive
pass interfears, like really, and then even later on there
were a couple of calls where he's like, I just
don't agree with those at all, the McDuffie penalty and
so on, like he was a little salty about it.
(23:51):
One play that I don't think is getting the run
that it should. And again it's a forty twenty two
final and you know, not as close as the game was.
Play late the DeVante Smith touchdown, defensive back never looks
for the football at all. Here's a deep pass, Like,
I get it. You might be trailing a step, but
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you don't. You don't look back to see the ball
coming in because clearly he's putting his hands in position
to catch it.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Like, little things like that that just irked me over
the course of the game.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
That's where losing a guy like Lugerious Sneaeden free agency
ends up hurting you, right.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, sure, everybody though, Yeah, I understand. And then
they've got a lot of tough decisions to make coming
into this offseason and and personnel wise. I mean, look,
we could do the rundown of the Eagles, but pressed
for time, well we'll leave it. I mean, just look
at what they've done on the draft and the absolute
excellence of what Roseman has done and done. It was
(24:48):
great to see him get his flowers throughout the telecast
and into the post on Fox.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
He gets a lot of he gets a lot of
flowers now from those Philadelphia fans, And when he came
out of the tunnel in pregame, he just kind of
get yeah, yeah, because I got young fro mudgeon already,
which is good that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I do want to end with this just because we're
a little tight on time with the podcast, so we'll
do more of a season long review and then we'll
do our final two episodes will be that in our
sixty player draft that we always do in looking ahead
the next year's fantasy season. But I was shock Patrick
Mahomes was still in the game in the fourth quarter
and on the hit that he took where he fumbled,
(25:29):
Philadelphia ended up kicking a field goal.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
It could have been a rock perty elbow situation. And
what I noticed was after that, on the next.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Possession, Travis Kelsey had two catches put him over the
top to top Jerry Rice for the all time Super
Bowl reception record. I didn't feel great with Patrick Mahomes
playing the final nine minutes and seven minutes. And I
don't know if it's a legacy play. I don't know
if it might if it's a prop bet sort of thing,
and how you want to look at it, because there
(25:58):
were overs and stuff hitch in the end. But I
don't think Patrick Mahomes had any reason to play in
the final nine minutes of the game except to pad stats.
For whatever reason. I thought that was a big miss
by Andy Reid. They they could have wrecked their chances
for next year, And something almost did happen to Mahomes.
And you see his arm bend back on that strip sack.
(26:18):
That's how That's how brock Perdy got hurt. And I
know Perdy came back the next year and played, But
you really want Patrick Mahomes to start having elbow problems
like I thought it was. I was so surprised Kansas
City kept him in.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
He took a beating. Why is he running the ball?
Just get down? The extra five yards is not getting
you back in the game. I think part of it was.
And I hate to be that guy. Nah, No, I don't.
I'll be that guy. The false narrative of look at
what a gamer he is. It's not over until you
know the clock strikes zero and everything else. You did
(26:52):
hit the over. I think it was two fifty two
and a half for his passing yards, by the way,
two fifty seven for the final. But all of that
to say, I think it was just the look I'm
going down swinging, as opposed to recognizing, you know, there's
a bigger picture. You've lost the game. The narratives are
gonna be what they're gonna be. You can only save
them so much by finishing the game. There's far too
(27:14):
much to lose. I agree with you one hundred percent.
I fully expected we were going to see the switch
out and it was gonna be Wentz and Picket to finish.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Then Pickett did finish.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
He did give a handoff on Hieh.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
There wasn't no Wentz sighting in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
So all right, any any final thoughts on the Super
Bowl as we wrap this up, Mike korean.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Ian, What do you got, buddy, any anything you want
to close it out with as we wrapped the season.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
I just love the little attribution to Kenny Pickett there.
He did get some touches in Kenny Pickett, super Bowl Champion.
That's uh, that's some words. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Throwing the pass on third down, hit the over on
more than two people, throwing a pass.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Well done, Well done, Kenny, just beautiful, beautiful that.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I just appreciate it. In the aftermath of him getting
into the game. Here's the list of all quarterbacks. He's
now got more Super Bowl wins. Thing because it is
a long long list, so this probably puts him over
Dan Marino right all time. Yea, in terms of rank
put him higher higher. Absolutely, he's a champion.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Mike your final thoughts.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I was disappointed it ended this way, though not shocked.
I mean Philadelphia and that roster that they they put together.
I liked that it was a we we talked a
lot about the defensive front. Jalen Hurts got over Uh
and maybe folks will look at him a little differently
because I think he got short shrifted. And obviously, you know,
they had a commercial ready about the hate and UH
(28:46):
injustice and everything to him. But he was seen as
a passenger and all this stuff, and so it was
good to see him hit big. And it's not lost
on me the Hurts to Devonte Smith touchdown. Also, you know,
goes back to the Alabama being deposed and all of
those kind of things back in the day. So some
(29:06):
cool narratives that come out of it. Vic Fangio gets
his win over Mahomes and you know, for at least
a little while, maybe we shut up about goat conversations.
That's why I was really happy about the NBA trades.
All last week. Guys, we didn't talk about that nonsense
at all.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Well, I'll just say this, I was disappointed we didn't
see the Lions or Bills getting to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I thought it would have been a great story.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
If the Egos played either of those teams, the egos
would have destroyed them. And so in the end, I
get peace of mind in not saying what if, because
I was not happy with this super Bowl matchup, but
seeing how good Philadelphia was at least puts my mind
at ease that no matter what would have happened, it
wouldn't have ended well for those two Cinderella stories.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Dan, final twenty seconds from you, what the hell was that? Font?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I don't understand saw your tweet about that, Dan, Yes,
I agree, it's not.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Capital Yeah, but yet they're so weird with the logo
and the new super Bowl logo that's out. It's got
ninety seven different colors. I just I don't understand NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Maybe the NFL is running the Mavericks as well. Like
you're just getting so far away.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
From reality now with everything. Oh man, all right, guys,
this was fun.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I got a plan to catch in the morning, and
I'll be back joining you guys in southern California and
we'll do our top sixty for the fantasy season. We'll
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be it for the season of I Want your Flex.
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Speaker 5 (00:55):
That's correct, Ian Roddy underscore.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm never gonna get it right, Mike, but.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
There you got the fact that you're lucid and still
alive after a week in New Orleans is an important thing.
And I say that only because of the reputation of
New Orleans as wrecking people in the middle of the night,
not for any other nefarious purpose, for.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
A guy that again has the diet of a ten
year old and doesn't drink. I've figured out ways to
make New Orleans work for me, and I've just walked everywhere.
I've been walking here, there, and everywhere. So while most
people go and leave New Orleans in much worse shape
than they arrived, I actually think I'm in better physical
(01:37):
shape just because I've decided to walk everywhere. I've tried
to take a negative and turned it into a positive,
and I think that's maybe what we have to do
with Super Bowl fifty nine.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I was in the building last night.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I could share my experiences, love to hear what you
guys think as well.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
But Mike, I just start out with this.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
For a game that wasn't gathering tons and tons of
hype throughout the week, it didn't live up to its
expectations in actual game time, and I feel a little
Super Bowl emptiness coming from what we saw with the
Eagles beating the Chiefs forty to twenty two.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Well, we knew there were, I mean a bunch of
storylines that were simmering, but until the game played out,
we didn't know which direction media got to go, right,
It's all about three pets in dynasty and the goat
being displaced by the goat while calling the game, and
all of these things, Nick Sirianni. If they were to
get blown out or lose out to get at any
(02:31):
point are they is he getting fired? Kellen Moore as
a coach in waiting, all we did was belly ach
about the defensive the Detroit coordinators. Hey, you know what,
the interview process shouldn't be there, so you know this
is terrible. Well what do they say now? Kellen Moore
had a master plan? Offensively, Vic Fangio is a wizard,
(02:51):
and so you know, do we blow up those And
then we start pointing fingers at Ben Johnson and Glenn
like we didn't a couple of weeks ago, trying to
make excuses. So I mean all of that to say,
you know, this was the one part of if you
drew the Giant pie chart, dan ian I think this
was the you had a couple percentage chants because even
(03:12):
we were talking about it a little in the studio
on Sunday morning of what if it becomes Seattle Denver?
Just that one little bit of what if it becomes Seattle, Denver,
and damned if it didn't.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Well, I'll tell you the reason why we think that
it wouldn't happen is because we feel that the NFL
bends over backwards and trying to make sure that it
doesn't happen again, that it doesn't happen off our super
Bowls of the late eighties and early nineties that Mike
and I and so many of us grew up with,
and the NFL is based so much on parody, and
(03:46):
I think that in the end, it's their hope that
that parody reigns supreme in the final game.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Of the year.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
And granted we were on a great string of Super
Bowl win or games with games being contested there for
a while. We're coming off overtime won last year, the
first two possession overtime super Bowl that we had, So
you would hope that maybe momentum would carry on. But realistically, Mike,
(04:10):
as you're saying, in the back of your mind, there
could be a blowout because what are the odds that
it's actually going to get better?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
And it didn't get better.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
And I think that my big takeaway from this, it's
not even just specifically from the game. It's that something
you mentioned with the coaches and the interviews and the
Lions losing their coordinators. What dawned on me was if
Buffalo beats Kansas City, Buffalo's in the same place that
Kansas City is today. If Detroit ends up beating Washington
(04:41):
in that game, they don't beat Philadelphia in the NFC
Championship game, like the Eagles just show that they were
the best team. And even when you try to take
away their best player, which the Chiefs did by and
large last night, they didn't have enough. Kansas City didn't
have enough defensively to even put a dent into the
Eagles offense. And then we saw just on how the
(05:01):
Eagles defense dominated the Kansas City specifically Philly's front four
dominating that offensive line. Philly showed that they were the
best team in the NFL through the season, and at
the end of the season at Chure showed in Super
Bowl fifty nine.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, all the cracks that you know were supposedly there,
and we had a brief moment, I mean, you were
in stadiums, you wouldn't have seen it where aj Brown
on the sideline was kind of fired up it's like,
is he mad or are we finally getting even though
you're winning that he's kind of selling like we were
just grasping its straws. Sure, Dan, But I'll tell.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
You what that was, because that was right and actually
right in front of us. He was when Hurts thought
he was Hurts throw a back shoulder and Brown went long.
I thought on it, and then because he came to
the sidelines and he was you know, this was before
he caught his touchdown pass. Of course, that cures all.
But I think that was the play and if it wasn't,
then there would He was huffed on the one that
(05:53):
I saw, so then there maybe there were multiple, but
I know on that one pass he was not happy.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, just an amazing run overall. I mean, there's just
a couple of plays that stand out for me early
when it was still potentially a game, right Kelsey right
off the jump, the first drop, like, I don't know
what happens if that, you know, he gets the first
down there instead, that's a series ender. We obviously had
the DeAndre Hopkins play late in the first half. Does
(06:21):
that change everything? No? But if nothing else, that dangerous
word hope starts to creep back in and you know
you're not just trying to bend, bend every which way
to find an excuse and reason and rationale that all right,
suddenly the Chiefs are gonna figure it all out in
the second half and the Eagles are gonna collapse. Cause
I mean that was kind of a lot of the
(06:43):
halftime rhetoric of here's how you do it, and I
get it. Brady's in the booth and you know, we
think twenty eight to three and everything. But Dan, you know,
just all the way through the front four that you
don't have to really blitz and you know, we can
fight over some antics of what's ringing extra pressure and
what's not the point is that they didn't have to
(07:03):
sell out at any point to get after Patrick Mahomes,
knock him off the spot and throw off the timing
of everything. And I was just really shocked that from
a chief's perspective, you know, run the ball, you know, fine,
p checko or hunt. You needed more of that, But
just in terms of allowing plays to are trying to
(07:25):
allow plays to develop instead of just quick hitters, quick
slants whatever, to try to just get the ball in
guy's hands. See if you can make a miss, you know,
test the tackling form, all of those things. Brandon Graham's
back there for the first time in what nine ten weeks,
trying to see if you can get him in coverage
and maybe expose a little something, and they didn't do anything.
(07:46):
They kept trying to do the drop back, thinking that
suddenly that their offensive line was going to figure it out,
and you know, all of that on the other side
for the game plan to scheme away Barkley. I thought
his best play were his blocking, sure right, I mean,
which you nobody's going to point out, but you know
that's what you and I do, and I and we
(08:07):
try to go a little dig a little deeper in
this stuff. Like a couple of times he was the
lead guy for hurts and letting him break for you.
So it's like, even though stows don't count as stats
towards the over under of one thirteen to one eighteen,
wherever you got in pivotal play is to extend drives.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Do you guys remember in our last podcast and we
did some prop bets and I talked about Isaiah Pacheco's
rushing total. Remember I was so shocked that it was
it was at twenty one and a half Ian you
remember this, I was.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I was dumbfounded by well, well, what do you know?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
What do you enough?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'll tell you what I know.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I ripped up my bet slip that I made at
the Caesar Sports Book about a mile down the road
from the Superdome because I had Isaiah Pichecko over twenty
one and a half yards.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Boy was I wrong on that one.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
In fact, the only person to get above twenty one
yards rushing on the can the City Chiefs was Patrick
Mahomes and his four rushes. I've got a different story
on that that I'll say for the end of this podcast,
because I did hit on the Mahomes under rushing. But yeah,
to the point of just how bad it was the
prop bet that stood out to me the most. That
(09:16):
has to be Oh, come on here, Kansas City, at
least is going to give the ball to Isaiah Pachecko,
where he's going to get twenty one yards three carries
seven yards along of.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Six for Isaiah Pacheco.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, just an absurd just absolving themselves of any semblance
of trying to do the run game. At least I
don't have to hear anybody on our network or the
nationwide media clamor for Matt Naggy getting another job.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
But that that's true.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So if anything, it killed that narrative a pretty vast
Salty Bears fan here for those unawares. But yeah, the
fact that between Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Pachecko you have
a total of six rushing a town, I just don't look,
the game didn't get away quite that fast man. And
obviously Mahomes and the pick six, uh stands up and
(10:09):
like we we celebrate all things Iowa haw guys football.
So Cooper de Gene uh getting his day on his birthday, right.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
On his birthday, the other birthday, the.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Other exactly, it was all Barkley, Barkley, Barkley all week
of how you know, the coronation on his birthday and
instead you get the pick six.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
You could say that de Gene actually had a bigger
impact on the outcome of the game than Barkley did
just because he had the pick six. Yeah, so he
probably finished higher in the MVP rankings than Barkley did.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Well, he changes that game immensely. I mean, just like that,
It's like whoa, Okay, now we're talking two touchdowns. I
mean when they threw up the halftime grad, I was
with a couple of folks watching the game, and I'm
trying not to be football guy, and and you know,
keep explaining crap. I fail at that because, like, if
(10:58):
you know stuff, you want to help peep the they're
you know, shrugging their shoulders, trying to figure out what
the hell's going on. Not massive football fans, most in
attendance that it's like, all right, they put up the
halftime graphic of the one first down. It's like they're like, no,
they had to be better than that. They're like, no,
you haven't really been watching, have you. You really got
into the chips a little bit. Yeah, a little bit
(11:21):
too much there be cause I mean that was complete
and utter domination. I mean that's Mike Tyson, Connor McGregor,
Ronda Rousey all wrapped into one, just beating the hell
out of you and sending you to the mat immediately.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
It was eighteen to one.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
That was my favorite stat at one point in the
first half. That was the rushing carries compared to both teams.
And the Eagles were winning at that time, so they
run the ball eighteen times.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
The times the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Having to play catch up, but no stress on the
Eagles defense. They ran the ball once and I did sweet.
It's not exclusive to me, but at the time of
the Cooper Degen interception, I wrot I.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Think this is over. I think that this game was
done just.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Because Kansas City didn't have it. I do feel that
the last three years played into this, the runs that
they had that at some point it's just going to
catch up to you, and I think it caught up
with them early on and there just wasn't anything left
in the tank for them to provide. But in saying that,
I thought their game plan was awful. And I also
(12:25):
got really angry when I saw on social media because
I was able to look on social media throughout the
game and seeing how many people wanted to point out
twenty eight to three and what the Patriots came back
from with the Falcons, and it's just like, No, this
is you talk about explaining to people at a party MIC.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
We have peers who are saying that and.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Putting that out on social media, and to me, it's
such a tell of how you don't know football. And
I'm not trying to be all high and mighty I
know all football, because there's tons of stuff that I
don't know. But if you can't see how physically dominant
Philadelphia was, and remember how gassed the Atlanta Falcons defense was,
which allowed the Patriots Kansas City did nothing to tell
(13:06):
you that they were capable of coming back from a
twenty eight to three point deficit. And the only reason
that got to twenty two points and it was twenty
four to nothing at one point. The only reason that
they got to at the half of was twenty four nothing.
But the only reason that they ended up getting back
in the game is because the Eagles just let them right, Like,
you know, it was just it wasn't a prevent defense.
(13:29):
It's just like, all right, let's just get the football
back so we can run more time off the clock.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
Can I just put my hands up? Can I just
put my hands up, though, Dan and say that. I
was watching as the Eagles poured it on. I was thinking,
in the back of my mind, Mahomes, you know, like
it's Patrick Mahomes on the other side. That kind of felt.
I still felt like there was a chance personally, but
I don't know. At the end of the day, he
looked rattled to the point that like we honestly have
(13:54):
we ever seen mahomes as rattled as he was in
that guy?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Now what he was running side dialing the sideline against
the Bucks?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I mean yeah, but this was they did this.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
He got blood. Yeah, this, he got bludget That's the crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Did you guys see that stat that this is uh,
he wasn't blitzed a single time and actually in Super
Bowls this is the sixth time that's happened. And teams
that don't blitz once they've never lost, well doing all right,
they're six and zero. Yeah, that's crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, well I've you know, kind of obliquely referenced it
before because folks are now doing the slap fighting on
Twitter to decide what pressures and blitzes how they're going
to chart them, because you know, everybody's got got their
own system anymore, so like ESPN creating the you know,
extra quarterback rankings and all of those kind of fun
things through the time. But yeah, I mean with Patrick Maholmes,
(14:40):
I think that's what everybody was selling. Right. If you're
gonna say he could be the goat, well here's the opportunity, right,
Because to your point, Dan some of the tweets that
I was seeing was the well, how appropriate when he
comes back that Brady's in the booth to watch it
and have to call it, and all of those kind
of things.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
The NFL scripted proof what would.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Have been on the tile.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
There's also something to it and not to in totally fine,
totally fine that you felt that way. We're going to
take a time out. I'll tell you it's two. It's
totally fine. But I woulted people for saying that they
didn't know football. And I don't want to sound like
I'm trying to be a know it all because I
don't know it all, but it's just in game flow
and how you see things. I want to address that,
(15:25):
at least on the other side. And plus I want
to ask you guys a couple of other things that
stood out to me. I'm curious if it stood out
for you, and we can do vice versa. It is
I want your flex super Bowl Recap edition Ego Stampa
Chiefs forty to twenty two Philadelphia second Super Bowl win
as a franchise. He's by Karmen and I'm Dan Byer.
That's Ian Roddy More next year and I want your flex.
(15:48):
It is I want your flex. He's by Karmen and
I'm Dan Bayer. That's Ian Roddy, and we were talking
about the conversation of the where the chiefs capable of
making a comeback, and Ian said, hey, I kind of
thought I was kind of one of the people that
maybe Dan was criticizing in saying that he thought that
a comeback could happen. Why I kind of get sensitive
(16:08):
about the issue is twofold and Mike, I don't know
how you feel about this. You do a show five
days a week, and then you have your Sunday show
on Sunday mornings, so it's almost every day of the week.
You're talking about this the whole week when people were
talking about their predictions, and I don't care about what
who people thinks.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Going to win games. I say, I want a guy
who smoked for.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Fifty years and you know, lives in Vegas giving me
my picks.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
That's what I've always said.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
But throughout this week, I feel that people that didn't
watch anything in the NFL or really weren't in tune,
were just saying, well, I can't bet against Mahomes. Sure,
I can't bet against Mahomes here, and so that feeds
into it, that feeds it that, well, Mahomes could be
down twenty four nothing, and as we saw last night,
Mahomes was the.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Only thing that the Kansas City Chiefs had, and what
again them get them nothing?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
They didn't have a running game, they didn't have offensive
lineman blocking, they didn't have anything. Philadelphia had everything, and
that's why they were the better team. I picked the
Eagles to win. I only picked them to win by six.
Thirty three to twenty seven was my pick. So it's
not that I foresaw this huge blowout last night, But
I just feel that when people were trying to look
(17:23):
at the game, they're just be like, well, I can't
bet against Mahomes. And then I'm wondering, are you thinking
that the NFL is going to make sure that Mahomes
wins or that if it's close, you like Mahomes. In
the end, there was never really any substance put behind
it. It was just I can't bet against Patrick Mahomes. And
I think that's what got me off on the wrong foot.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Oh, I mean, I think that's fair, Dan. I mean
that seemed to be the summary statement for a lot
of people I talked to during the week, and certainly
in the vast social media sphere and even people that
were you know, casual fans. That part of the folks
you know that I watched with or you know that
you engaged during the week. You know what, it's him
(18:01):
And for me, it was all right, they'll win a
close game because they're button down if it's close late
and I trust that they'll get it out. Well instead,
you know, you just get blown out of the water.
And it's because I think we all stipulated that the
Eagles had a better roster. I don't think anybody that's
watched it down of football could have told themselves that
any you know, it was an equal footing there. It
(18:22):
just becomes the you know, taking care of business, turnover battle,
you know, making the most of those possessions. Again, the
game plan offensively just an absolute joke. But thought the
offensive line would hold up marginally better. But what did
we talk about all last week the defensive line. Smith
was making fun of me at the end of the
(18:42):
week about it, Mike, It's all determined by these guys, right,
we do the long shot MVP picks and I'm on
Carl loftis. On one side, they stole a sack because
do the lined up off side jerk and then on
the other side, Jalen Carter and what you know, the
havoc that he reeks the world. But it's just the
kind of thing that the yeah they've got Mahomes analysis
(19:05):
is like, all right, just just go do something else,
go cover college basketball. Now you're clearly done with the
NFL for this year. But I think to Ian's point,
there's also just the you're so invested in it. You're like,
please show me something right, and if anybody could do it, Mahomes,
maybe you find some magic again. You had the Kelsey
(19:28):
drops and you had that Hopkins play. I almost threw
something at the television. It wasn't my TV, so I'm
glad I didn't. But it's just like, really, there's your
one shot and that's it.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Maybe and maybe maybe I need to cool down just
a little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
You know, super Bowl is watched by everybody pretty much,
so everybody's gonna want to have an opinion, whether it's you.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Know, educated or not educated.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
And again I'm not trying to be some know at all,
but it just to me was I remember super Bowl
fifty one and then now the stories that we hear
about it in what Atlanta's defense didn't have and why
Kyle Shanahan need to sit on the ball even more
so or at least for anyway for those reasons. Yeah,
but anyway we can move on from that. You did
(20:11):
mention something Mike on an off sides call. Did you
guys think that we were in for another penalty situation
on the AJ Brown penalty to start the game?
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I definitely, Well, we we here at the studio and
we were pulling highlights and stuff early on there was
a penalty. Yeah, the AJ Brown won. We made sure
to pull that audio just make sure we had the
radio call for it, because the Eagles guys right off
the bat like, that's a terrible call. I don't want
to start, you know, blaming the refs this early, but
that is absolutely egregious and stuff, and we wanted to
have it in the system in case this became a
(20:42):
theme throughout the game, because you know, obviously that early
on and going into the game, it was something. So
I don't know, but obviously it obviously it didn't end
up being much of a factor.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
But I felt that the Trent McDuffie personal foul was
a makeup call for that AJ Brown.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Did you guys get that sound?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah, yes, And then you don't get the you know,
blow to the head call, you know, head balls out.
It's like, okay, which was surprising, right that, Hey we
get the turnover there. But yeah, I was kind of
glad that the officials. It's one of those like I
joked about once having to do ayso refereeing right, because
you got to have so many points in parent volunteering
(21:22):
and whatever else. And the only game that I could
referee was an under twelve boys. I'd never referee a
game when you do the training, everything's done like you're
looking down at a field through a luxury box, so
it's easy to see off sides. It's easy to see
all the scenarios that they drop. And then all of asudly,
you got twelve year olds beating the hell out of
each other and you're trying to adjudicate what's there. Oh
(21:42):
and I had no ars, so how about that? Fortunately
I ended up being an eight nothing burial, so no
matter how badly I refereed, it didn't matter. But it
was just like the first it was the worst hour
of my life, like I hated every minute of it.
So I'm just glad that in this case, we can't
point to one official thing and make it a giant mountain.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
This week, something dawned on me in watching last night
was the NFL doesn't play on neutral site fields very often.
So when Kansas City is getting their calls, a lot
of times those calls happen at Arrowhead, and so.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
The fans, you're not hearing the reaction a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Road teams don't usually get the favorable whistle in any
sport anywhere, right, So when we're sitting at home and
we're having our conversations throughout the week, I think that
the Chiefs getting a call here at Arrowhead didn't necessarily
register until Mike, you cracked your mic on Monday, until
I cracked my mic on Monday, until everybody does, or
the postgame shows on Sunday, that's when it happens. Maybe
(22:48):
a comment during the game by the broadcasters, we'll bring
it up, but it's just the fact of it's a
narrative that Philadelphia fans could react to in real time,
and Chiefs fans are going to boo the ref when
the calls going for them.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
So that to me was like there was an instant
response from.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
The Philadelphia fans, which by the way, was completely over
the top because of the penalty, and you're thinking, oh goodness,
here we go again. So I thought that was interesting,
and I thought that the make it was a complete
makeup call and in the end it just didn't matter.
But I felt that that was the referees way of saying,
all right, let's right this wrong and move on from here.
And that that's where I thought the McDuffie penalty came in,
(23:26):
that they didn't want the officiating to be a story.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah. No, I mean, look, even Brady went against the
officials more early. Yeah, like even you know, the offensive
pass interfears, like really, and then even later on there
were a couple of calls where he's like, I just
don't agree with those at all, the McDuffie penalty and
so on, like he was a little salty about it.
(23:51):
One play that I don't think is getting the run
that it should. And again it's a forty twenty two
final and you know, not as close as the game was.
Play late the DeVante Smith touchdown, defensive back never looks
for the football at all. Here's a deep pass, Like,
I get it. You might be trailing a step, but
(24:13):
you don't. You don't look back to see the ball
coming in because clearly he's putting his hands in position
to catch it.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Like, little things like that that just irked me over
the course of the game.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
That's where losing a guy like Lugerious Sneaeden free agency
ends up hurting you, right.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, sure, everybody though, Yeah, I understand. And then
they've got a lot of tough decisions to make coming
into this offseason and and personnel wise. I mean, look,
we could do the rundown of the Eagles, but pressed
for time, well we'll leave it. I mean, just look
at what they've done on the draft and the absolute
excellence of what Roseman has done and done. It was
(24:48):
great to see him get his flowers throughout the telecast
and into the post on Fox.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
He gets a lot of he gets a lot of
flowers now from those Philadelphia fans, And when he came
out of the tunnel in pregame, he just kind of
get yeah, yeah, because I got young fro mudgeon already,
which is good that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
I do want to end with this just because we're
a little tight on time with the podcast, so we'll
do more of a season long review and then we'll
do our final two episodes will be that in our
sixty player draft that we always do in looking ahead
the next year's fantasy season. But I was shock Patrick
Mahomes was still in the game in the fourth quarter
and on the hit that he took where he fumbled,
(25:29):
Philadelphia ended up kicking a field goal.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
It could have been a rock perty elbow situation. And
what I noticed was after that, on the next.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Possession, Travis Kelsey had two catches put him over the
top to top Jerry Rice for the all time Super
Bowl reception record. I didn't feel great with Patrick Mahomes
playing the final nine minutes and seven minutes. And I
don't know if it's a legacy play. I don't know
if it might if it's a prop bet sort of thing,
and how you want to look at it, because there
(25:58):
were overs and stuff hitch in the end. But I
don't think Patrick Mahomes had any reason to play in
the final nine minutes of the game except to pad stats.
For whatever reason. I thought that was a big miss
by Andy Reid. They they could have wrecked their chances
for next year, And something almost did happen to Mahomes.
And you see his arm bend back on that strip sack.
(26:18):
That's how That's how brock Perdy got hurt. And I
know Perdy came back the next year and played, But
you really want Patrick Mahomes to start having elbow problems
like I thought it was. I was so surprised Kansas
City kept him in.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
He took a beating. Why is he running the ball?
Just get down? The extra five yards is not getting
you back in the game. I think part of it was.
And I hate to be that guy. Nah, No, I don't.
I'll be that guy. The false narrative of look at
what a gamer he is. It's not over until you
know the clock strikes zero and everything else. You did
(26:52):
hit the over. I think it was two fifty two
and a half for his passing yards, by the way,
two fifty seven for the final. But all of that
to say, I think it was just the look I'm
going down swinging, as opposed to recognizing, you know, there's
a bigger picture. You've lost the game. The narratives are
gonna be what they're gonna be. You can only save
them so much by finishing the game. There's far too
(27:14):
much to lose. I agree with you one hundred percent.
I fully expected we were going to see the switch
out and it was gonna be Wentz and Picket to finish.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Then Pickett did finish.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
He did give a handoff on Hieh.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
There wasn't no Wentz sighting in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
So all right, any any final thoughts on the Super
Bowl as we wrap this up, Mike korean.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Ian, What do you got, buddy, any anything you want
to close it out with as we wrapped the season.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
I just love the little attribution to Kenny Pickett there.
He did get some touches in Kenny Pickett, super Bowl Champion.
That's uh, that's some words. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Throwing the pass on third down, hit the over on
more than two people, throwing a pass.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Well done, Well done, Kenny, just beautiful, beautiful that.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I just appreciate it. In the aftermath of him getting
into the game. Here's the list of all quarterbacks. He's
now got more Super Bowl wins. Thing because it is
a long long list, so this probably puts him over
Dan Marino right all time. Yea, in terms of rank
put him higher higher. Absolutely, he's a champion.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Mike your final thoughts.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I was disappointed it ended this way, though not shocked.
I mean Philadelphia and that roster that they they put together.
I liked that it was a we we talked a
lot about the defensive front. Jalen Hurts got over Uh
and maybe folks will look at him a little differently
because I think he got short shrifted. And obviously, you know,
they had a commercial ready about the hate and UH
(28:46):
injustice and everything to him. But he was seen as
a passenger and all this stuff, and so it was
good to see him hit big. And it's not lost
on me the Hurts to Devonte Smith touchdown. Also, you know,
goes back to the Alabama being deposed and all of
those kind of things back in the day. So some
(29:06):
cool narratives that come out of it. Vic Fangio gets
his win over Mahomes and you know, for at least
a little while, maybe we shut up about goat conversations.
That's why I was really happy about the NBA trades.
All last week. Guys, we didn't talk about that nonsense
at all.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Well, I'll just say this, I was disappointed we didn't
see the Lions or Bills getting to the super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I thought it would have been a great story.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
If the Egos played either of those teams, the egos
would have destroyed them. And so in the end, I
get peace of mind in not saying what if, because
I was not happy with this super Bowl matchup, but
seeing how good Philadelphia was at least puts my mind
at ease that no matter what would have happened, it
wouldn't have ended well for those two Cinderella stories.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Dan, final twenty seconds from you, what the hell was that? Font?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I don't understand saw your tweet about that, Dan, Yes,
I agree, it's not.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Capital Yeah, but yet they're so weird with the logo
and the new super Bowl logo that's out. It's got
ninety seven different colors. I just I don't understand NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Maybe the NFL is running the Mavericks as well. Like
you're just getting so far away.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
From reality now with everything. Oh man, all right, guys,
this was fun.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
I got a plan to catch in the morning, and
I'll be back joining you guys in southern California and
we'll do our top sixty for the fantasy season. We'll
also do a year in review as well, and that'll
be it for the season of I Want your Flex.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Fellas for Ian Roddy and Mike Krmen, I'm dampier. This
is I want your flex
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