October 31, 2023 • 46 mins
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It's Fox Sports Radio's Official Fantasy Football Podcast! Dan Beyer, Mike Harmon, and Ryan Burschinger react to Week 8 in fantasy football. The guys break down the impact of Kirk Cousins' injury on the Vikings offense. Has Arthur Smith finally made a change at quarterback? The guys react to Will Levis' huge debut and discuss the odd choice for the Cardinals to make Clayton Tune their starter. Plus, Harmon gives waiver wire targets for Week 9!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
To starts and sits.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
The guys help you make those hard decisions. And now
let's get your flex on. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Welcome back to the other edition of I Want Your Flex.
It's kind of a welcome back to me, guys, because
I wasn't here. Well, yeah, it's great to great to
be back. I had Mike. You don't know this, but
I went into to Burschinger's studio's office when I came back,
and he gets either the cardinal rule. He violated the
(00:56):
cardinal rule. So whenever, whenever, I all I want to
hear is how things went awful? You know, and I
thank goodness I'm back, and I go how things go
with I Want Your Flex. He's like, great, we had
some great conversations. You know. It was great because we
went long, which was really good because I said, yeah, see,
(01:17):
when you have a lot to say, it's tough to
keep it in a succinct sort of time frame. But
I kid because I care. But it sounds like you
guys had fun. Lass.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I think you're better at being mindful of like
we just ramble, So we need you to keep us
in check.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Dan, I do have to stop watch going.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I do have that going that And I mean obviously
you know when when it's a three man and weave,
you know there's there's the Hey, you guys haven't considered this,
like also need that third voice. So we did miss it.
I mean there's no question about it. I know you
didn't want to come back. You were frolicking in green Field.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I did. The fall was great in Wisconsin, had a
great couple of days back through the football around on
a nice, crisp, fifty four degree afternoon with the sun shining.
Yeah it was. It was on point. And then we
ended up watching some football and thanks to Mike Harmon
(02:17):
for his generosity in helping out with that with his
Sunday ticket availability. My cousins were head over heels, especially
the thirteen year old because number one, they live out
the country. Okay, so you know there's not that it's
not that it's like in the eighties when cable didn't
go out to the country and you only have a satellite.
(02:38):
But my cousin was like, he had no idea what
it was like with all the games going on at
one time, and so when you had that, and yet
you know, the Packer game was the main game on
that they had on the big TV. But he also
likes the Chiefs because you know, I mean, when you're thirteen,
who wouldn't now, right, as they're always winning, and so
(02:58):
Chiefs Chargers was on one TV and his brother likes
to cheer for the Chargers as well, so they were
going at it. So was it awesome? Tome, I missed
you guys. I'm glad the episodes went great, but it's uh,
it was a good time home for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I saw the video of the what did you did?
You have a bunch of buffering issues for week eight though,
because it seemed like there were a lot of a
lot of issues going on.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, there were. That's that's that's the problem with the
Jets and Giants. Maybe they were the ones to cause it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
My goodness, what crap vest that was my god? And
then of course I had to actually talk about that
terrible game with my partner Jason Smith on air on
Monday night, so that that was not good for business
for me, Like this game doesn't deserve a second look
at all. Yeah, they won great, That game sucked.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
The most amazing thing about that game is I had
a couple shares of Darren Waller, and of course Darren
Waller left the game with an injury like end of
first early second somewhere around there one catch for four
yards that ended up being tied for the team lead
and receiving yards. Crazy game, and was actually more than
half of the team receiving yards for the game, because
(04:10):
I believe it was Matt Brida or no. Matt Brida
had four yards and then Darius Slayton had negative one
and so seven total receiving yards for the New York
Giants in that game. So good job, Darren, carrying your
weight got over half of their yards in that.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I curry favor to the Saquon Barkley three reception, zero yards.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's good. Now that little wing it out and watch
them get attacked immediately. Boy, what a man. I look
like the Raiders on Monday Night not much.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Different, my goodness. Negative nine team yards passing for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And the thing is is that they almost won that game.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Should have won that game. Yeah, yes, it's incredible. Yeah,
I don't have confidence that Zach Wilson would have put
it into the end zone and scored on that last play,
although maybe how the Giants played defense the previous stupid
uh you know snaps would have allowed them. But yeah,
if Graham Goodo makes that field goal, by the way,
who would have thought that that really would have been
(05:13):
the difference except Brian Dable, who was like, of course
we're gonna lose this game. It's probably probably the best
thing for him anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But when Wilson takes that sack and Giants get the ball,
what is it a minute thirty six or one to
twenty six left and whatever, like Gano comes out to
kick the field goal before that, and I and it
literally turned to someone to go, yeah, here's the guy
coming out here saying he needs surgery out his knee,
(05:41):
and what does he do he shakes. Were literally talking
about this, this guy should be done.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Nah.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Here he is out to kick a big in a
big spot and then he hooks it. He's like, really,
this I spoke that into existence.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't want to. I don't want to get personal,
but I just typed Gano Surgery and it said shoring
results for Gino surgery, So.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, all right. Then that escalated quickly.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
True true story, true story. I'm not lying, it's as
you know. And then it had me click on if
I wanted to search Ghanno Surgery. But anyway, Jets Giants, Yeah,
hiccups on direct TV. A crazy week eight. But let's
dive into what happened at the quarterback position because there's
a lot of news from that, starting in Minneapolis. It
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happened in Green Bay on Sunday. But Kirk Cousins ruptures
his achilles lost for the year. Is all lost in
fantasy value for the Minnesota Vikings now?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, certainly, Well, we'll wait to see how this flows.
Right as we record this, the trade deadline just hours away.
Will they be in the marketplace or do they just
kind of sit and twiddle their thumbs until Nick Mullins
comes back. And if Nick Mullins comes back, what does
that mean? Not great? Right if you're holding on to Addison. Obviously,
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his Week eight production bolstered by the fact that he
has stronger hands than the defensive back trying to fight
him for a football. But you know, we're looking at
or I guess week seven that was we're hitting the
wayback machine, as it were. But looking at Addison, he's
become so rock steady. kJ Osborne has been a nice
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you know, w R two or WR three depending on
your settings, and all of a sudden that goes out
the window. Now it becomes a hey, look, look, cam
Aker's had more carries this week against Green Bay. So
maybe the run game gets a little bit more love
in terms of touches because you don't trust your passing game. Yeah,
but certainly the two wide receivers I think take a
(07:54):
step back. Tight end position being what it is. Whoever's
under center, Hockinson is still a guy'll get his targets
and get his production. Yeah, mute it a little bit,
but still opportunity. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I think as somebody who has a couple shares of
kJ Osborne, it's hard for me to feel very confident
in anything that he might give moving forward now, because
even if they do acquire a quarterback, it's hard for
me to feel like there's anybody truly out there that
would be a huge difference maker where I'd feel much
better about him as a fantasy asset if other than
(08:30):
the over, Nick Mullen's throwing him the ball. So it's unfortunately, Yeah,
Osbourne takes a huge hit. Jordan Addison does take a hit,
but not as much. He'll still definitely provide a lot
of value as a receiving option until Jefferson's return, and
then once Jefferson comes back, you'll kind of have that
hit quite frankly if he does. I mean, they are
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in playoff contention, but now without Cousins, it's hard to
feel that. They do have a really nice schedule coming
up though, so they should still very much make a
run which would ensure Jefferson's return. But if they really
fall off, it's it's hard to see if Jefferson will
continue what he does.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, yeah, I am not keen on that, And that's
what I feel bad for people who waited out that
injury and were hoping to maybe have some some fantasy
life afterwards. I think that I don't. The win against
the Niners was a great win, Don't get me wrong.
Going to Green Bay anytime you can and winning is
(09:31):
a great thing for the Vikings. But now it just
feels like, all right, punch wobble, get my feet back.
Punch wobble, get my feetback. This is the one that
I just I don't know how you can bounce back from.
And I just I just I don't have confidence in
any of them. If if somebody wanted to call me
about Justin Jefferson, I am listening and taking a lot
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less than I ever dreamed of. I don't I don't
even know he's going to be available in a guillotine
league of ours, And I don't even wouldn't even know
it to bid for him. It wouldn't be a lot
not to give you guys the hand that you're still
both alive in that league.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I think we would all come back to that
same conclusion. Right, He's worth a look sie, but I
need immediate help, right if I'm going into the bidding process,
because let's face it, like at this point, we're at
the halfway point. If you're you're doing the guillotine leagues
as so many more people are, that it's more competitive, right,
(10:30):
there's there's a lot less wiggle room. Somehow, uh Bursch
keeps finding himself just under the sword of damacles here.
That's it sing your disco tunes, Dan Meyer. But the
idea that you know, there's not a lot of separations,
so you know the dollars you're spending. You can't make
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a big bid and then still be waiting for a
guy to come back, and even when he does, you're
not sure what it is. Having Justin Jefferson on your
roster when you get chopped doesn't really do your whole
healthful lot of good here, now, does it?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
No? Not at all. I don't would you would you
guys rather have gosh this, that would have been too much.
I was gonna say, Sam Laporta, I would go Mark Andrews.
Would you rather have Mark Andrews on your roster or
Justin Jefferson the rest of the season?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Andrews?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I would take Andrews.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah. I think that that's and I think port Laporto
was a bit of a reach. I felt Andrew Andrews
was the obvious answer in that case. But like that's
what we're talking about here, you know, like we're talking
about his value, and it's just it's such a crushing
blow to you know, not only to the Addison's and
the kJ Osbourne's who've been good, and the T. J. Howkinson's,
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but just those that tried to ride the wave without
Justin Jefferson for a while. I mean, they got they
got hit with a sucker punch and their guy wasn't
even playing. So that's my biggest takeaway honestly from it.
Addison's been great, Osborne, I know, Scott and his targets
and these guys mentioned, but just the fact that now
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Justin Jefferson is no longer that guy that you took
first overall, and the hope of maybe making a push
towards the stretch run is no longer there. That to me,
it was like my biggest domino that ended up falling.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, because he's interesting on the large scale too. He
still doesn't have his contract and how Captain Kirk got hurt.
Not that you were expecting them to retain him going forward.
Maybe they would, right, And I'd be curious of Jefferson's
feelings of where he was pre and post Cousin's injury
in terms of his love or want to Not that
(12:47):
the franchise tag can't be the big thing to talk
over the top of all of it, but certainly it
is an interesting proposition going forward.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I think what's interesting too about Jefferson is I'm trying
to think of what the Vikings could do it a
quarterback where I would I would feel much stronger. And
the name that I think that would be interesting if
the Vikings acquired him would be Taylor Heinekee. But I
think the Falcons have maybe finally come to their senses
that Heinikey is got to start the best quarterback on
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their roster.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
We'll find out Wednesday officially, right, is what they're saying.
But he's got to be their guy.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
It took them long enough, Like I forgot that Heinekee
was on that roster, and once once he started playing,
I'm like, oh yeah, wait, why why haven't you done
this earlier? And Dan, you talked about it on Sunday
where Arthur Smith just kind of fed this bs to
the media where it's like, I wasn't a performance thing.
It was, you know, we're trying to protect Ritter. But
like maybe maybe Arthur Smith is finally realized that there's
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a better quarterback on his roster.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And I don't know, there's there's a whole nother Arthur
Smith conversation that that Yeah, it's probably about five other
ones as well that we can dive into. Let's talk
a little bit more about the Falcons. The vikings are
what they are. Plus you want to get Harmon's at
take on what it was like being a Bears fan
and the heson aagent experience that he had Sunday night,
(14:13):
because that's a situation with monitoring as well, plus other
quarterbacks and what the heck's going on in Arizona. And
then we'll hit on some waiver wire stuff. It's all
coming up next to here, and I want your flex,
all right, hit him up, Mike, kat Swollen Dome, get
our executive producer Ryan Berschinger at Ryan Berschinger. You can
find me at Dan Byer on Fox. All Right, this
(14:35):
Falcon situation is real. I would rather pick up Taylor
Heineke than maybe most of the other quarterbacks that could
be available this week. And now all of a sudden,
Drake London and Kyle Pitts and everybody else in Atlanta
kind of seems to have more value if it will
be Heineke moving forward starting in week nine.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Get yourself a little bit of a bump. Now, obviously
Atlanta tied you up at the top of the NFC
South and what we all made picks before the season,
Dan Ryan, I mean, it was a it was like
everybody just reached in and pulled out a name. There
was nobody looking to separate themselves. But now you're you're
(15:14):
looking at a situation whereby with just adequate quarterback play
divisions there to go take Now. Obviously New Orleans is interesting.
Maybe they had their their come to Jesus moment after
all the screaming and shouting in Week seven. But yeah,
with the Heinekee all of a sudden, you're like, all right,
it may not be great, but it's better than it was.
(15:35):
Right in terms of getting the ball out there and
having a veterans like we've talked about with Indianapolis and
Gardner Minshew. He ain't perfect, but damn it, he's gonna
sling the ball around. And I think with Heinike you
get a little bit of that as well. So if
you waited on Kyle Pitts all this time, you might
get your reward here in the second half of the season.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, I agree, like I was saying, I just it's
very clear to me that Heineke is the better quarterback
on that roster, and he's got plenty of experience. I've
always felt that he was rather underrated when he was
when he was playing for Washington. I thought that he
was more more productive than people gave him credit for.
And I I think that this is a situation where, yeah,
(16:17):
you could give a bump to all these other pieces
they're they're using John hu Smith a ton John hu
Smith even threw a pass on Sunday. It was awful,
but he threw it. It was They've they've done all
these weird things with the way they're they're using their
running backs and everything. But yeah, the passing game could
actually be feasible with with Heinik under center.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Here's the thing with Heidike, because there is a ceiling. Sure,
there is and and and there absolutely is. But I
have Drake London in one league and it is It
is awful because not that his numbers have been bad,
they just haven't been good. And anything that you get
you feel as a bonus, Like there's no rhythm, there's
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no all right, this guy's working at three catches on
this drive sort of thing. You're just hoping and praying
and sitting there with your fingers crossed that when they
snap the ball, they don't hand it off, and that
when they drop back to pass, it actually is a
capable pass being caught. That's what it's like watching the
Falcons with And it's it's not that Desmon Rider looks
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like he's throwing left handed. That's not the case. It's
just it's that type of passing game. And maybe that's
the case with the offense and Arthur Smith. At least
Heinike gives you some hope that maybe if you find
a rhythm, whether it be with Pitts, whether it be
with London, that he will continue to utilize that. And
I think that's all you ask for in a situation
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like this. It's like pulling teeth otherwise.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
No, that's it right. He's ranked thirty fourth amongst wide
receivers PPR leagues thus far and with just one twenty
point game, at just two with more than fifteen. So yeah,
it's trying to find a little more semblance of consistency
downfield and maybe it helps to unleash b John Robinson
(18:12):
a little bit more, you know, just the threat of
being willing to take a chance and make a mistake,
because what do we keep seeing with all these young
guys and we'll get to the Bears and that mess
in a minute. Still I'm asking, where's you know, Alan Williams.
Another week goes by and holding up the signs. I
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almost brought a sign to the game, but I thought
my brothers might have beaten me. But the idea that
with younger quarterbacks it's all about don't turn the ball over,
don't make mistakes. And we get that right. You know,
we talk about turnovers and how important they are to
wins and losses. But you're also limiting your quarterback. You
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brought him in to make plays. Let him try to
make plays. I mean Drake London and Pitts or two
guys that can get you advantages at their respective positions.
Give him a chance to make a play for you.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, I'm excited if it happens in what and how
the Falcons have the Vikings coming to town? How about
it their issues? So now what Arthur Smith is going
to say, Well, heck, if Jaron Hall is going to
be the starting quarterback, we just could continue to run
the ball. So Taylor heide Key, you're going to be
our starter. I guess what, you can hand it off
all game along what about Tyson Bagent, now that you
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saw him with your own eyes, Mike.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Harbon, No, I like the opener, right, you throw and
get a forty one yard completion, and then you only
run a similar play once that gets dropped in the
end zone by a guy who shouldn't have been on
the team bus in Vellas Jones, because he's a guy
who's had numerous opportunities to make plays and has failed
to do so as a returner and as a receiver.
(19:55):
But somebody in the building really likes that draft pick.
But with Baigent, I mean even after last week we
talked about it on the pod. The average depth of
target was two and a half yards. Okay, he's getting
the ball out. And then you know the report and
I went back and watched it because I saw the
social media response as I got back into things after
(20:17):
watching the game live. Was Tariko and Collinsworth obviously selling
a narrative that was given to them by the coaches
in terms of how Bagent plays, Yeah, you get the
ball out and less negative plays that worked against a
bad opponent in the Raiders average depth of reception. Yeah,
(20:39):
I got skewed by those two attempts. Right, if you're
just talking about putting the ball up and going, but
otherwise it's not going to work against a better team.
And if he asked to hold the ball the extra
half second, you saw what happened. He was under dress
and misdirecting throws and DJ Moore becomes an afterthought to
what you're doing. It's a disaster, right, if that's what
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you want to do. Like and Smith and I talked
about it a little bit on our Monday show on
Fox Sports Radio, was just the if you're going to
draft a talent like Justin Fields, let him go be
Justin Fields and work your offense to it. And I
think it's becoming more and more pronounced after watching Pagent
and certainly the talking points that are being fed from
(21:23):
the meetings with the coaches through through the network as
they're talking about Beagent and what he's doing on the field,
like Justin Fields is a unique individual with strengths and obviously, yeah,
you're still coaching them up to be a more efficient
NFL star. But I mean we saw the ceiling. I
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mean we saw the ceiling with Pagent here.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, you know, And first I just want to slide
in and say this, it's almost like this. I don't
know if teeter totter is the right word, but there's
a point with Fields that you'll put up with the
growing pains, I think is probably the best way to
put it, because you know that the raw talent is there,
the speed, you know, the agility, there's that stuff. He
(22:13):
can throw the football as well, So you put up
with some of the bad stuff because you know that
stuff is there. But then there's the tipping point of it,
right where now all of a sudden, Tyson beagent, no
matter how limited he is, because he's different and maybe
does some of the things better that Fields doesn't do.
(22:35):
It seems like a better option. And I think it's
more of a comment on Fields and then the rest
of the I mean, I used a waiver spot on
Dante Foreman, wasn't that awesome this past weekend? But that's
what it seems like, like we know that Baigent probably
isn't the answer, but now it's really telling us that
(22:55):
Fields isn't the answer. That's the sense that I got
with the Bears. I don't know, does that make any sense?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
That does?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Then that's that must be scary for comparis mans, because
that's the fact that even when when Fields is out there,
it's it's making things look worse for him like that. That's,
uh yeah, that can't be fun.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, I think it just keeps going back to the
same thing of all right, if you're going to be
a coaching staff, and this is and it goes to
fields comments before the season, right and when asked about
things as things were spiraling after those first couple of games, like,
it's a lot of process. This is what they want
versus last year, while you didn't win games, you watched
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a guy who played free put up numbers. And now
it becomes a fine tuning of turnovers, some decision making
and late like that. That's the coaching part versus all right,
we want you to stay in the pocket. And you've
seen a number of examples of where there were four
or five seconds in the pike. Well you're not getting
(23:59):
any separation and the offensive line is not very good. Right,
they did their spot, you know it did well in
spots and against the Raiders they went out and obliterated
you know that squad. Cole Comett even laughing, going this
wasn't the team we saw on tape. And then you
watch Detroit do the same thing with Jamier Gibbs on
(24:19):
Monday Night. Football's all right, just run over them. You know,
golf did really didn't have to do a ton in
that game to make make big plays.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
There is value in cole Comet No, right, I mean well.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean last week, you know he was a blocker.
This week saw more targets, but against the Chargers. But
again it goes back to Bagent. Is if you're going
to run a very rigid offense, and he showed a
little bit of elusiveness you know, on the circumstances at times,
(24:56):
but you're trying to play within this well defined this
is what we're doing, versus tailoring things to justin fields
and his talents and so it's it's just that curiosity
of is is what you want to do? What's the
ceiling with Baigent?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Are you gonna win a bunch of Everything's got to
go right to win games with him under center, or
at least that's what I would argue, right every like,
you can't have anything go off script or you're done right.
It's like watching Pittsburgh with Kenny Pickett. Right now you
get behind, you ain't coming back.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, now you're right, about that. There's but that's maybe
where Cole Comett then gets his ten eleven targets.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah right, you know if that becomes the more consistent thing.
And it was curious at times given the fact that
Beagent was under dress so much, like well, last last week,
he usually Comet kept him in as a blocker and
it seemed to work okay on Crosby and company. Here
they got two guys, yet you're putting him out in
(26:04):
pass in pass routes and again good, good for his
stats and whatever else. But like, all right, this this
worked last week and and now you're trying to contend
with both Bosa and Khalil Mack. So yeah, it's it
was a mess to watch. Blessed to be there in person.
We had a good, good turnout of guys, my brothers,
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as I posted on Instagram, and all they they ponied
up for some ridiculous seating, so fifty yard line seats.
Wish the the game was as good as the seats.
I would say. The in house production remains way too
damn loud and nauseating at times, and that wasn't because
we were on the down side of it. I said
(26:47):
that when I attended the Super Bowl and had no
dog in the fight. Like at some point, just just
I don't need to be inundated with loud noises every
second I'm in intended to the game. It's like going
to an NBA game. No, just stop.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
What about strippers? Were they there this week at so far?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, I mean it was Halloween weekends. I mean there
were some that were borderline, but certainly not the same
as no last week's rams display.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You see that verse?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
No, No, absolutely did not.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Dude. I thought you were saying that because you were
getting married that you didn't see that, But no, I
actually believe you. Uh uh yeah, they had, they had,
they weren't They.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Weren't naked with some guy named Blue Face who was.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, and he brought like these dancers who were scantily
clad and one of the yes, did you guys not
talk about this?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
When I was out last, Kelly and Stafford was shalty
about it. Well, we left it to you to work
a little bit, Blue dam I saw something about Kelly
Stafford being mad at Blueface, and I was just like,
all right, I'm gonna keep scrolling.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Then Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
No, that that's absolutely true. But no, great experience and
again off that forty one yard pass to start the game, like,
all right, we may have something. And you know, as
we predicted the games and went through, it's like, all right,
Bears will either win this game because they'll you know
STALEI ol Staley, or they'll get blown out. And I
(28:28):
got the ladder, you know, justin Herbert doing crazy things.
Austin Eckler is great in the screen game a number
of times. And I asked this question of Jason locking
for on the Show with Smith Monday night on Fox
Sports Radio. Is it me or do we see a
lot more? Hey, the flags on the field and then
we pick it up, there's no foul. It's like, why'd
you throw the damn flag? Or you know, picking it
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up and staring at each other and or double clutching
the flags like you saw something that you wanted to
throw it and then it's like you waited for the
result of the play. It's like you know, when you're
watching a soccer match, as like or hockey, it's like,
all right, there's an advantage, all right, now we whistle it. Ah,
Now it's too long, so let's let's pull it off.
(29:14):
You know, it's it's it's interesting where we're at with
NFL officiating. So there were a couple of those. Darnell
Mooney probably could have gotten up. He was not touched
after he made a reception early in the game, but
just flipped the ball to the official. Sure, so you know,
just confusion. And ultimately it was a beat down and
(29:35):
I had more beers than the Bears had points.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
That's a win for my comment.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Definitely a win for me.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
All right. So we hit on Vikings, we hit on Bears,
we hit on Falcons. They're also Steelers. Like a short week.
Can you picktt statuses up in the air. I don't
know if it matters too much to be perfectly honest
with you, but their opponent that they are playing, yes,
the Will Levis Era, go dive into that coming up next.
Plus what the heck is going on with Arizona. Maybe
(30:05):
there's value there as well. Plus Harmon's waiver wire pickups
for week nine. That's all next one. We wrap it
up here and I want your flex, all right, Welcome
back Mike up at Swollen Dome, find Bursch at Ryan Berschinger,
and find me at Dan Byer on Fox. I don't
know if you guys follow the the site Corked Bats.
That's a kind of satirical sports site. So some connections
(30:29):
through us. Yeah, it's it can be entertaining. And they
have tabbed Will Levis as Billy Jeans. Okay, that's the
nickname Billy Jeans. Yeah, yes, I think you think it's
pretty clever as well, So I had tipped to them.
Are you buying Billy Jeans? In the Tennessee Titans. The
Will Levis experiment well underway after a four touchdown performance
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against the Falcons on Sunday and likely to get this
start on Thursday against Pittsburgh. You buying Will Levis?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Mike, I'll buy him at least for this next week,
ye against the Pittsburgh secondary. Fitzpatrick is out short week,
they're banged up. It'll be curious to see, you know. Again,
we're recording before the trade deadline. Whether DeAndre Hopkins just
had the greatest audition to go into a marketplace or not. Likewise,
(31:21):
Derrick Henry, are they being Are they gonna sell off
some of those parts? But even if they do, He's
gonna wing it around like it's the one thing we
came out of this. And so you start looking at
some of those guys that were on the second team
that maybe they get a little bit more of a
look see. But yeah, for this week, I'll buy Wills absolutely.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yeah, I mean I gotta give him credit, Like he
did look good, and especially going into a situation where
it was kind of established that both him and Malik
Willis were gonna get looks and he was so good
that that that never happened. Yeah, part of me wants
to say, well, you know, I want to hold off
to make a full judgment. It was just one game.
It could have it kind of you know, busted coverage
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plays with with with Hopkins. But at the same time,
it's not like DeAndre Hopkins like fully was doing this
for Tannehill either. So I give Levi's credit, like that's
that's very impressive for your first game. And I mean,
already he looks better than I thought he was. I
didn't think he was very good.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, I'll piggyback on that and say, as well, with
the state of the quarterbacking that we've got in the
National Football League right now, why not.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
You know, like if you're sitting there with you know,
Jordan Love or you know, any of these other you know,
quarterbacks in that situation. You know, I've Jordan Love in
the league, I've Deshaun Watson, you know, on the same team,
and it's I'm running three quarterbacks and yeah, Will Levis
right now, better option than all of them, even when
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DeShawn Watson's healthy. Gotta be honest, I think he's not
gonna top what he did this past week. Sure, like
this this is to me's gonna be your high point
total for him. But did carry the ball seven times,
only eleven yards, but maybe get a little something there.
His last touchdown pass the Westbrook Y Keene was was
a great throw. And if you just throw it to
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DeAndre Hopkins, if he's you know, still there, it's half
the battle. Throw it to your good players. So yeah,
I'm I'm on board. I just think we have to
temper our expectations that this was probably the best fantasy
game that he'll have all season long. I just I
don't think he's going to top a four touchdown game,
you know, by any.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Means no, and certainly and you know, short week against Pittsburgh.
Look obviously a rookie coming out a short week Thursday nights.
In general, we raise our eyebrows on most of these matchups.
I was reading a stat about the unders and how
much what is it, sixty and twenty nine since the
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start of the twenty twenty two seeds. That's how often
the hundred are hitting.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So I mean so to that point, yeah, take take
that for what it is, because that's a significant sample size, uh,
nineteen and seven this year thus far. So we we
have that, and certainly Pittsburgh we know on their side
of things, their offense isn't helping to push towards the total.
It's not going to be quite Northwestern Iowa. I haven't
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seen the initial number yet, but it is going to
be low. I mean, it's going to push some of
those boundaries. But you look at the opportunity against that
Pittsburgh secondary again banged up, I'll give it a run,
like even even if Hopkins isn't there.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, thirty six is your magic numbers.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
But there you go. Yeah, I figured it. I figure
it was pushing.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, no, you're you're pretty close with that.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Jeans ahead, Bill, am I buying Billy jeans? I might
actually go by something a pair of jeans and just
name them after Will and eat some mayonnaise in my coffee.
That's right, just kidding, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
And to your point about the quarterback play, Dan, we
just watched Jimmy g just completely miss a wide open
Davante Adams multiple times on Monday night. Like when you
have a receiver of the talent of DeAndre Hopkins, as
you're saying, getting him the ball is just half the battle.
And we have quarterbacks who have been in this league
for a long time showing that they can't even do
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that part of the battle right now. So yeah, the
fact that Levis was able to put up those numbers,
I'm definitely impressed.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Packer fans, by the way, relishing DeVante Adams being mad. Sure,
I saw a whole lot of you asked for this
Davante in the aftermath of what happened on Monday night.
So they are enjoying it. Not much to enjoy if
you're an Arizona Cardinals football fan, But you do not
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have the worst record in the National Football League. So
you are a half game, a half game ahead, if
you will, of the Carolina Panthers for the worst record.
And we don't know who's gonna start against Cleveland, but
we know who's not going to start. Craziest thing, maybe
not the craziest thing I've heard the NFL. I just
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love in this day and age of you know, we're
going to be positive. Arthur Smith can't you know, make
up his mind on what's going on that Jonathan Gannon
is so staunch at as convictions that he just knows.
Josh Dobbs isn't gonna play like like poor Josh Dobbs
by the way, but hey, like, I don't know who
(36:34):
we're gonna throw out there. It could be the rookie,
it could be Kyler Murray, but I'll tell you who
he won't this guy right here, Josh Dobbs, Like, how
I you know, I think there could be value Arizon
with Arizona down the line, if you've got Rondel Moore,
if you got you know, Hollywood bron if you wanted,
you know whatever. Whenever Kyler comes back, those guys take
a boost. Maybe that's the opportunity now. But I've never
(36:56):
seen anything like it where it's like, we don't know
who we're gonna start, but it definitely won't be him.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
After watching the tape, it won't be him. Was it
code for it? He's getting traded, so he's not gonna
be here, So this is the way to address it.
We saw that interesting because I mean he's in terms
of options amongst quarterbacks to potentially be dealt. I mean,
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we keep throwing a lot of these names out like
he's at least taken some meaningful snaps. Yeah, he's played
well in spurts. The try harder Cardinals have been in
a lot of games. Now, obviously this was a backdoor
situation to make these score look a little better than
the game was, but against Baltimore. But legitimately, like we
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keep talking about Tannehill and a bunch of the other guy,
I almost I'd rather have Dobbs than him at this point.
I'd rather have Dobbs than a lot of the options
that are being out there as quick fixes for Minnesota
or some of these other squads.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Also like stuck by Dobbs and then changed his tune
the next day, right, And usually you don't do that
with film study. You like, man, I can't believe how
bad he was, But hey, Chuck, he was a lot
worse than I thought. You know, we should bench him.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You know, when you asked me that question right after
the game, you were really onto something like you.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Just don't see that, and so Mike, you may be
onto something there. But I will say this, the main
point of bringing it up is I do think that
those weapons for Arizona will have value, because it sure
does seem like Kyler Murray is coming back. It's just
sooner rather, you know, sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
But that's the curiosity too, right of Clayton Tune versus
Kyler Murray. And if Kyler Murray is healthy, do you
not want the number one?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, the good thing is they're bad enough that he's Yeah,
he's not going to win any games single handledly for him,
I will say that.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Or the fact that you've are you just want to
see what he does even with a broken roster, Like
I'm trying to reconcile that right because I brought it up,
you know, and Brshall enjoys this a lot like the
Bears holding you know, their pick. You know, Carolina does
what Carolina does. They get the win this week, which
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is just a sloppy game, and they end up getting
the w over Houston. But with the Bears, they're in
the nightmare scenario of they're only a half a game
behind the Packers and they play them in week eighteen. Dan,
So the Bears and eber Flus in their desperate attempt
to say we should get another year, they could go
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and screw this up and actually win and let the
Packers slide in there to where suddenly they get to
pick ahead of where the Bears do for their own pick.
How crazy is that?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Again in the NFL being the genius all division games
at the end of the year, saying that sarcastically, I mean.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
You know me, I love my Let's play this team
twice in three weeks. Yes, yes, let's when when everybody's
hurt banged up. I mean we're at it in week nine. Yes,
let's have all the division games on the back end
with great meaning. With some teams, that's such a flip
of what they were to start a season.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
There's no magic way to do it, but it is.
It is pretty absurd. Did I miss did we miss
any court? Daniel Jones coming back for the Giants, but hey,
anything's better.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Than Toby Baby DeVito.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Oh my goodness. Uh, I guess has.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Been cleared for contact, you know, to finish the there
so whatever that means. After that debacle against the Jets.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
And yeah, and then you know, with Pittsburgh's case coming
up on Thursday, Uh, you know, George Pickens probably needs
to get more involved. Deonton Johnson was very involved maybe and.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Very involved in complaining about the officials.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yeah, yeah, when when the Steelers were penalized less or
for less yardage than Jacksonville was in the game. Crazy stuff,
all right, Burst, you got anything to add to the
quarterbacks before u before Harmon gives us his waiver wire
picks week nine.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Just one thought as you were mentioning with what the
Cardinals situation there and how their their pieces do look
do look very strong? And this is a nice little
transition here into the waivers. A Trey McBride looks excellent
and and with with zach Ertz on the I R U.
McBride had what ten catches that there's a there's there's
definitely a lot of possibility still from the from the
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Cardinals passing offense, even if it is Clayton Tune throwing
the ball.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
The good thing too about that is you know they're
going to be down and so the like, when their
games are out of hand, you still have a reason
to watch, You don't have to sit through the entire
Cardinals games, just join the second half when they're down
and have to throw the football. Yeah, it actually works
out quite nice.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
That thing to have on your grade, no question about it.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Holly. We brought at nine targets as well, so there's.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
You know it can keep winging it around.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, I think that there could be some value there.
All right, let's get to the waiver wires. Guys that
you want to pick up in a week nine. I
don't know if Billy Jeans is gonna be on this
list or not, but armor take it away.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well we already talked about him. So yeah, against the
Steelers that is Billy Jeans as his opportunity. Sam Howell
winging it as he does, another guy with some value
for you, Washington. You know Ron Rivera keeps saying the
quiet part out loud in press conferences about mistakes made,
and Sam Howell was one of them. Remember, Hey, I
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wish I would have known about this guy. Well, he'll
keep you in games again. People are reticent to go
alongside our run of the Gardner Minshew slash Josh Downs era.
Like both of those guys still available widely in leagues.
Down still in over a third of leagues despite the
high target count weekly. Look, all you can ask for
(42:59):
in these games is opportunity. We've been talking about this
for years. Like what happens with those opportunities? I don't know.
But if I got a guy that routinely is getting
seven to nine targets, I gotta think the law of
averages says that most weeks I'm at least putting up
a five spot, you know for you know, base reception
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and completions. So yeah, receptions and yardage, I should say.
So we got that Levis was officially on the list,
you know, in terms of my chicken scratch a guy
to watch. And again we're doing this ahead of the
trade deadline. If Jamis Winston gets out of New Orleans again,
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you know, say, say he becomes a guy I had
a shot sent to me of him in a Minnesota
Vikings uniform. That can be intrigued. Intriguing, right, and maybe
change it to that end. Also long term play, Uh,
if you're in a league that still has a lot
of raw spots, Nick Mullins may end up becoming that
guy when he comes back and is eligible to rejoin
(44:05):
the squad. Tight ends Birch, Gavis McBride the other one.
Depending on your league setup, go see if Taysom Hill
is still out there. Huge week eight opportunity in DJOKU.
A lot of people dumped him because of early ineffectiveness
or it relegated him to the bench. Maybe trade deadline
in your own fantasy league. A guy on an upswing
(44:27):
had a nice big week in Week eight, so opportunity there.
Darryl Henderson still available in more than a half of
leagues now with the Rams interesting another quarterback position. We
didn't really talk about a ton there, but with Matthew
Stafford now week to week to see what happens. Turning
to the run game seems inevitable. Devin Singletary twenty five
(44:51):
touches the last two weeks, not overly exciting, but again
opportunity if you're going to get double digit touches to
go make some hay. We talked about Kyler Murray coming back.
He's available in more than half of leagues, so a
stash and stash and wait. Look because depending on your
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league setup and who you're a provider is, you know,
you may have IR spots, so he may be just
being stashed in some leagues, and then conventional thinking was
based on them being inept from day one that he
wouldn't even see the field this year. But now we're
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getting ever closer to an opportunity for that to be
the case. Russell Wilson still available in half leagues. I
know it's a lot of quarterbacks, but the quarterback position
in such flux as we were just talking about, So
maybe an opportunity there there in Seattle. Zach charboney back
in healthy, available in about forty percent of leagues, so
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opportunity might knock there as well.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
All right, there it is. That's a lever wires targets
a lot of guys, But that's all right. We are
starting to hit the the home stretch as Yeah, we're
past the halfway point of the fantasy season, now hitting
the halfway point of the regular season. First, you got
anything you want to add.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Dad, Let's let's free Josh Dobbs. Let's let's get him
out there, free Jamis. While we're at it, why not
let's have some.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Fun, all right? Yeah, trade deadline, we're doing this before
it happens. There's any stuff, we'll have it on the
Wednesday Pod for sure. So for Ryan Berschinger and Mike Carman.
I'm Dan Bayer, thanks for hanging out. We'll talk to
you next time right here, And I Wonder Blay
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Welcome back to the other edition of I Want Your Flex.
It's kind of a welcome back to me, guys, because
I wasn't here. Well, yeah, it's great to great to
be back. I had Mike. You don't know this, but
I went into to Burschinger's studio's office when I came back,
and he gets either the cardinal rule. He violated the
(00:56):
cardinal rule. So whenever, whenever, I all I want to
hear is how things went awful? You know, and I
thank goodness I'm back, and I go how things go
with I Want Your Flex. He's like, great, we had
some great conversations. You know. It was great because we
went long, which was really good because I said, yeah, see,
(01:17):
when you have a lot to say, it's tough to
keep it in a succinct sort of time frame. But
I kid because I care. But it sounds like you
guys had fun. Lass.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well, I think you're better at being mindful of like
we just ramble, So we need you to keep us
in check.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Dan, I do have to stop watch going.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I do have that going that And I mean obviously
you know when when it's a three man and weave,
you know there's there's the Hey, you guys haven't considered this,
like also need that third voice. So we did miss it.
I mean there's no question about it. I know you
didn't want to come back. You were frolicking in green Field.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I did. The fall was great in Wisconsin, had a
great couple of days back through the football around on
a nice, crisp, fifty four degree afternoon with the sun shining.
Yeah it was. It was on point. And then we
ended up watching some football and thanks to Mike Harmon
(02:17):
for his generosity in helping out with that with his
Sunday ticket availability. My cousins were head over heels, especially
the thirteen year old because number one, they live out
the country. Okay, so you know there's not that it's
not that it's like in the eighties when cable didn't
go out to the country and you only have a satellite.
(02:38):
But my cousin was like, he had no idea what
it was like with all the games going on at
one time, and so when you had that, and yet
you know, the Packer game was the main game on
that they had on the big TV. But he also
likes the Chiefs because you know, I mean, when you're thirteen,
who wouldn't now, right, as they're always winning, and so
(02:58):
Chiefs Chargers was on one TV and his brother likes
to cheer for the Chargers as well, so they were
going at it. So was it awesome? Tome, I missed
you guys. I'm glad the episodes went great, but it's uh,
it was a good time home for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's great.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I saw the video of the what did you did?
You have a bunch of buffering issues for week eight though,
because it seemed like there were a lot of a
lot of issues going on.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, there were. That's that's that's the problem with the
Jets and Giants. Maybe they were the ones to cause it.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
My goodness, what crap vest that was my god? And
then of course I had to actually talk about that
terrible game with my partner Jason Smith on air on
Monday night, so that that was not good for business
for me, Like this game doesn't deserve a second look
at all. Yeah, they won great, That game sucked.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
The most amazing thing about that game is I had
a couple shares of Darren Waller, and of course Darren
Waller left the game with an injury like end of
first early second somewhere around there one catch for four
yards that ended up being tied for the team lead
and receiving yards. Crazy game, and was actually more than
half of the team receiving yards for the game, because
(04:10):
I believe it was Matt Brida or no. Matt Brida
had four yards and then Darius Slayton had negative one
and so seven total receiving yards for the New York
Giants in that game. So good job, Darren, carrying your
weight got over half of their yards in that.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
I curry favor to the Saquon Barkley three reception, zero yards.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
That's good. Now that little wing it out and watch
them get attacked immediately. Boy, what a man. I look
like the Raiders on Monday Night not much.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Different, my goodness. Negative nine team yards passing for the Giants.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
And the thing is is that they almost won that game.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Should have won that game. Yeah, yes, it's incredible. Yeah,
I don't have confidence that Zach Wilson would have put
it into the end zone and scored on that last play,
although maybe how the Giants played defense the previous stupid
uh you know snaps would have allowed them. But yeah,
if Graham Goodo makes that field goal, by the way,
who would have thought that that really would have been
(05:13):
the difference except Brian Dable, who was like, of course
we're gonna lose this game. It's probably probably the best
thing for him anyway.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
But when Wilson takes that sack and Giants get the ball,
what is it a minute thirty six or one to
twenty six left and whatever, like Gano comes out to
kick the field goal before that, and I and it
literally turned to someone to go, yeah, here's the guy
coming out here saying he needs surgery out his knee,
(05:41):
and what does he do he shakes. Were literally talking
about this, this guy should be done.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Nah.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Here he is out to kick a big in a
big spot and then he hooks it. He's like, really,
this I spoke that into existence.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I don't want to. I don't want to get personal,
but I just typed Gano Surgery and it said shoring
results for Gino surgery, So.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, all right. Then that escalated quickly.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
True true story, true story. I'm not lying, it's as
you know. And then it had me click on if
I wanted to search Ghanno Surgery. But anyway, Jets Giants, Yeah,
hiccups on direct TV. A crazy week eight. But let's
dive into what happened at the quarterback position because there's
a lot of news from that, starting in Minneapolis. It
(06:38):
happened in Green Bay on Sunday. But Kirk Cousins ruptures
his achilles lost for the year. Is all lost in
fantasy value for the Minnesota Vikings now?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Well, certainly, Well, we'll wait to see how this flows.
Right as we record this, the trade deadline just hours away.
Will they be in the marketplace or do they just
kind of sit and twiddle their thumbs until Nick Mullins
comes back. And if Nick Mullins comes back, what does
that mean? Not great? Right if you're holding on to Addison. Obviously,
(07:09):
his Week eight production bolstered by the fact that he
has stronger hands than the defensive back trying to fight
him for a football. But you know, we're looking at
or I guess week seven that was we're hitting the
wayback machine, as it were. But looking at Addison, he's
become so rock steady. kJ Osborne has been a nice
(07:32):
you know, w R two or WR three depending on
your settings, and all of a sudden that goes out
the window. Now it becomes a hey, look, look, cam
Aker's had more carries this week against Green Bay. So
maybe the run game gets a little bit more love
in terms of touches because you don't trust your passing game. Yeah,
but certainly the two wide receivers I think take a
(07:54):
step back. Tight end position being what it is. Whoever's
under center, Hockinson is still a guy'll get his targets
and get his production. Yeah, mute it a little bit,
but still opportunity. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
I think as somebody who has a couple shares of
kJ Osborne, it's hard for me to feel very confident
in anything that he might give moving forward now, because
even if they do acquire a quarterback, it's hard for
me to feel like there's anybody truly out there that
would be a huge difference maker where I'd feel much
better about him as a fantasy asset if other than
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the over, Nick Mullen's throwing him the ball. So it's unfortunately, Yeah,
Osbourne takes a huge hit. Jordan Addison does take a hit,
but not as much. He'll still definitely provide a lot
of value as a receiving option until Jefferson's return, and
then once Jefferson comes back, you'll kind of have that
hit quite frankly if he does. I mean, they are
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in playoff contention, but now without Cousins, it's hard to
feel that. They do have a really nice schedule coming
up though, so they should still very much make a
run which would ensure Jefferson's return. But if they really
fall off, it's it's hard to see if Jefferson will
continue what he does.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, yeah, I am not keen on that, And that's
what I feel bad for people who waited out that
injury and were hoping to maybe have some some fantasy
life afterwards. I think that I don't. The win against
the Niners was a great win, Don't get me wrong.
Going to Green Bay anytime you can and winning is
(09:31):
a great thing for the Vikings. But now it just
feels like, all right, punch wobble, get my feet back.
Punch wobble, get my feetback. This is the one that
I just I don't know how you can bounce back from.
And I just I just I don't have confidence in
any of them. If if somebody wanted to call me
about Justin Jefferson, I am listening and taking a lot
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less than I ever dreamed of. I don't I don't
even know he's going to be available in a guillotine
league of ours, And I don't even wouldn't even know
it to bid for him. It wouldn't be a lot
not to give you guys the hand that you're still
both alive in that league.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
But I think we would all come back to that
same conclusion. Right, He's worth a look sie, but I
need immediate help, right if I'm going into the bidding process,
because let's face it, like at this point, we're at
the halfway point. If you're you're doing the guillotine leagues
as so many more people are, that it's more competitive, right,
(10:30):
there's there's a lot less wiggle room. Somehow, uh Bursch
keeps finding himself just under the sword of damacles here.
That's it sing your disco tunes, Dan Meyer. But the
idea that you know, there's not a lot of separations,
so you know the dollars you're spending. You can't make
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a big bid and then still be waiting for a
guy to come back, and even when he does, you're
not sure what it is. Having Justin Jefferson on your
roster when you get chopped doesn't really do your whole
healthful lot of good here, now, does it?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
No? Not at all. I don't would you would you
guys rather have gosh this, that would have been too much.
I was gonna say, Sam Laporta, I would go Mark Andrews.
Would you rather have Mark Andrews on your roster or
Justin Jefferson the rest of the season?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Andrews?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I would take Andrews.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah. I think that that's and I think port Laporto
was a bit of a reach. I felt Andrew Andrews
was the obvious answer in that case. But like that's
what we're talking about here, you know, like we're talking
about his value, and it's just it's such a crushing
blow to you know, not only to the Addison's and
the kJ Osbourne's who've been good, and the T. J. Howkinson's,
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but just those that tried to ride the wave without
Justin Jefferson for a while. I mean, they got they
got hit with a sucker punch and their guy wasn't
even playing. So that's my biggest takeaway honestly from it.
Addison's been great, Osborne, I know, Scott and his targets
and these guys mentioned, but just the fact that now
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Justin Jefferson is no longer that guy that you took
first overall, and the hope of maybe making a push
towards the stretch run is no longer there. That to me,
it was like my biggest domino that ended up falling.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, because he's interesting on the large scale too. He
still doesn't have his contract and how Captain Kirk got hurt.
Not that you were expecting them to retain him going forward.
Maybe they would, right, And I'd be curious of Jefferson's
feelings of where he was pre and post Cousin's injury
in terms of his love or want to Not that
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the franchise tag can't be the big thing to talk
over the top of all of it, but certainly it
is an interesting proposition going forward.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I think what's interesting too about Jefferson is I'm trying
to think of what the Vikings could do it a
quarterback where I would I would feel much stronger. And
the name that I think that would be interesting if
the Vikings acquired him would be Taylor Heinekee. But I
think the Falcons have maybe finally come to their senses
that Heinikey is got to start the best quarterback on
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their roster.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
We'll find out Wednesday officially, right, is what they're saying.
But he's got to be their guy.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
It took them long enough, Like I forgot that Heinekee
was on that roster, and once once he started playing,
I'm like, oh yeah, wait, why why haven't you done
this earlier? And Dan, you talked about it on Sunday
where Arthur Smith just kind of fed this bs to
the media where it's like, I wasn't a performance thing.
It was, you know, we're trying to protect Ritter. But
like maybe maybe Arthur Smith is finally realized that there's
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a better quarterback on his roster.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
And I don't know, there's there's a whole nother Arthur
Smith conversation that that Yeah, it's probably about five other
ones as well that we can dive into. Let's talk
a little bit more about the Falcons. The vikings are
what they are. Plus you want to get Harmon's at
take on what it was like being a Bears fan
and the heson aagent experience that he had Sunday night,
(14:13):
because that's a situation with monitoring as well, plus other
quarterbacks and what the heck's going on in Arizona. And
then we'll hit on some waiver wire stuff. It's all
coming up next to here, and I want your flex,
all right, hit him up, Mike, kat Swollen Dome, get
our executive producer Ryan Berschinger at Ryan Berschinger. You can
find me at Dan Byer on Fox. All Right, this
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Falcon situation is real. I would rather pick up Taylor
Heineke than maybe most of the other quarterbacks that could
be available this week. And now all of a sudden,
Drake London and Kyle Pitts and everybody else in Atlanta
kind of seems to have more value if it will
be Heineke moving forward starting in week nine.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Get yourself a little bit of a bump. Now, obviously
Atlanta tied you up at the top of the NFC
South and what we all made picks before the season,
Dan Ryan, I mean, it was a it was like
everybody just reached in and pulled out a name. There
was nobody looking to separate themselves. But now you're you're
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looking at a situation whereby with just adequate quarterback play
divisions there to go take Now. Obviously New Orleans is interesting.
Maybe they had their their come to Jesus moment after
all the screaming and shouting in Week seven. But yeah,
with the Heinekee all of a sudden, you're like, all right,
it may not be great, but it's better than it was.
(15:35):
Right in terms of getting the ball out there and
having a veterans like we've talked about with Indianapolis and
Gardner Minshew. He ain't perfect, but damn it, he's gonna
sling the ball around. And I think with Heinike you
get a little bit of that as well. So if
you waited on Kyle Pitts all this time, you might
get your reward here in the second half of the season.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, I agree, like I was saying, I just it's
very clear to me that Heineke is the better quarterback
on that roster, and he's got plenty of experience. I've
always felt that he was rather underrated when he was
when he was playing for Washington. I thought that he
was more more productive than people gave him credit for.
And I I think that this is a situation where, yeah,
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you could give a bump to all these other pieces
they're they're using John hu Smith a ton John hu
Smith even threw a pass on Sunday. It was awful,
but he threw it. It was They've they've done all
these weird things with the way they're they're using their
running backs and everything. But yeah, the passing game could
actually be feasible with with Heinik under center.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Here's the thing with Heidike, because there is a ceiling. Sure,
there is and and and there absolutely is. But I
have Drake London in one league and it is It
is awful because not that his numbers have been bad,
they just haven't been good. And anything that you get
you feel as a bonus, Like there's no rhythm, there's
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no all right, this guy's working at three catches on
this drive sort of thing. You're just hoping and praying
and sitting there with your fingers crossed that when they
snap the ball, they don't hand it off, and that
when they drop back to pass, it actually is a
capable pass being caught. That's what it's like watching the
Falcons with And it's it's not that Desmon Rider looks
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like he's throwing left handed. That's not the case. It's
just it's that type of passing game. And maybe that's
the case with the offense and Arthur Smith. At least
Heinike gives you some hope that maybe if you find
a rhythm, whether it be with Pitts, whether it be
with London, that he will continue to utilize that. And
I think that's all you ask for in a situation
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like this. It's like pulling teeth otherwise.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
No, that's it right. He's ranked thirty fourth amongst wide
receivers PPR leagues thus far and with just one twenty
point game, at just two with more than fifteen. So yeah,
it's trying to find a little more semblance of consistency
downfield and maybe it helps to unleash b John Robinson
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a little bit more, you know, just the threat of
being willing to take a chance and make a mistake,
because what do we keep seeing with all these young
guys and we'll get to the Bears and that mess
in a minute. Still I'm asking, where's you know, Alan Williams.
Another week goes by and holding up the signs. I
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almost brought a sign to the game, but I thought
my brothers might have beaten me. But the idea that
with younger quarterbacks it's all about don't turn the ball over,
don't make mistakes. And we get that right. You know,
we talk about turnovers and how important they are to
wins and losses. But you're also limiting your quarterback. You
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brought him in to make plays. Let him try to
make plays. I mean Drake London and Pitts or two
guys that can get you advantages at their respective positions.
Give him a chance to make a play for you.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, I'm excited if it happens in what and how
the Falcons have the Vikings coming to town? How about
it their issues? So now what Arthur Smith is going
to say, Well, heck, if Jaron Hall is going to
be the starting quarterback, we just could continue to run
the ball. So Taylor heide Key, you're going to be
our starter. I guess what, you can hand it off
all game along what about Tyson Bagent, now that you
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saw him with your own eyes, Mike.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Harbon, No, I like the opener, right, you throw and
get a forty one yard completion, and then you only
run a similar play once that gets dropped in the
end zone by a guy who shouldn't have been on
the team bus in Vellas Jones, because he's a guy
who's had numerous opportunities to make plays and has failed
to do so as a returner and as a receiver.
(19:55):
But somebody in the building really likes that draft pick.
But with Baigent, I mean even after last week we
talked about it on the pod. The average depth of
target was two and a half yards. Okay, he's getting
the ball out. And then you know the report and
I went back and watched it because I saw the
social media response as I got back into things after
(20:17):
watching the game live. Was Tariko and Collinsworth obviously selling
a narrative that was given to them by the coaches
in terms of how Bagent plays, Yeah, you get the
ball out and less negative plays that worked against a
bad opponent in the Raiders average depth of reception. Yeah,
(20:39):
I got skewed by those two attempts. Right, if you're
just talking about putting the ball up and going, but
otherwise it's not going to work against a better team.
And if he asked to hold the ball the extra
half second, you saw what happened. He was under dress
and misdirecting throws and DJ Moore becomes an afterthought to
what you're doing. It's a disaster, right, if that's what
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you want to do. Like and Smith and I talked
about it a little bit on our Monday show on
Fox Sports Radio, was just the if you're going to
draft a talent like Justin Fields, let him go be
Justin Fields and work your offense to it. And I
think it's becoming more and more pronounced after watching Pagent
and certainly the talking points that are being fed from
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the meetings with the coaches through through the network as
they're talking about Beagent and what he's doing on the field,
like Justin Fields is a unique individual with strengths and obviously, yeah,
you're still coaching them up to be a more efficient
NFL star. But I mean we saw the ceiling. I
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mean we saw the ceiling with Pagent here.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, you know, And first I just want to slide
in and say this, it's almost like this. I don't
know if teeter totter is the right word, but there's
a point with Fields that you'll put up with the
growing pains, I think is probably the best way to
put it, because you know that the raw talent is there,
the speed, you know, the agility, there's that stuff. He
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can throw the football as well, So you put up
with some of the bad stuff because you know that
stuff is there. But then there's the tipping point of it,
right where now all of a sudden, Tyson beagent, no
matter how limited he is, because he's different and maybe
does some of the things better that Fields doesn't do.
(22:35):
It seems like a better option. And I think it's
more of a comment on Fields and then the rest
of the I mean, I used a waiver spot on
Dante Foreman, wasn't that awesome this past weekend? But that's
what it seems like, like we know that Baigent probably
isn't the answer, but now it's really telling us that
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Fields isn't the answer. That's the sense that I got
with the Bears. I don't know, does that make any sense?
Speaker 2 (23:01):
That does?
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Then that's that must be scary for comparis mans, because
that's the fact that even when when Fields is out there,
it's it's making things look worse for him like that. That's,
uh yeah, that can't be fun.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well, I think it just keeps going back to the
same thing of all right, if you're going to be
a coaching staff, and this is and it goes to
fields comments before the season, right and when asked about
things as things were spiraling after those first couple of games, like,
it's a lot of process. This is what they want
versus last year, while you didn't win games, you watched
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a guy who played free put up numbers. And now
it becomes a fine tuning of turnovers, some decision making
and late like that. That's the coaching part versus all right,
we want you to stay in the pocket. And you've
seen a number of examples of where there were four
or five seconds in the pike. Well you're not getting
(23:59):
any separation and the offensive line is not very good. Right,
they did their spot, you know it did well in
spots and against the Raiders they went out and obliterated
you know that squad. Cole Comett even laughing, going this
wasn't the team we saw on tape. And then you
watch Detroit do the same thing with Jamier Gibbs on
(24:19):
Monday Night. Football's all right, just run over them. You know,
golf did really didn't have to do a ton in
that game to make make big plays.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
There is value in cole Comet No, right, I mean well.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean last week, you know he was a blocker.
This week saw more targets, but against the Chargers. But
again it goes back to Bagent. Is if you're going
to run a very rigid offense, and he showed a
little bit of elusiveness you know, on the circumstances at times,
(24:56):
but you're trying to play within this well defined this
is what we're doing, versus tailoring things to justin fields
and his talents and so it's it's just that curiosity
of is is what you want to do? What's the
ceiling with Baigent?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Are you gonna win a bunch of Everything's got to
go right to win games with him under center, or
at least that's what I would argue, right every like,
you can't have anything go off script or you're done right.
It's like watching Pittsburgh with Kenny Pickett. Right now you
get behind, you ain't coming back.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Yeah, now you're right, about that. There's but that's maybe
where Cole Comett then gets his ten eleven targets.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah right, you know if that becomes the more consistent thing.
And it was curious at times given the fact that
Beagent was under dress so much, like well, last last week,
he usually Comet kept him in as a blocker and
it seemed to work okay on Crosby and company. Here
they got two guys, yet you're putting him out in
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pass in pass routes and again good, good for his
stats and whatever else. But like, all right, this this
worked last week and and now you're trying to contend
with both Bosa and Khalil Mack. So yeah, it's it
was a mess to watch. Blessed to be there in person.
We had a good, good turnout of guys, my brothers,
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as I posted on Instagram, and all they they ponied
up for some ridiculous seating, so fifty yard line seats.
Wish the the game was as good as the seats.
I would say. The in house production remains way too
damn loud and nauseating at times, and that wasn't because
we were on the down side of it. I said
(26:47):
that when I attended the Super Bowl and had no
dog in the fight. Like at some point, just just
I don't need to be inundated with loud noises every
second I'm in intended to the game. It's like going
to an NBA game. No, just stop.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
What about strippers? Were they there this week at so far?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Well, I mean it was Halloween weekends. I mean there
were some that were borderline, but certainly not the same
as no last week's rams display.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You see that verse?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
No, No, absolutely did not.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Dude. I thought you were saying that because you were
getting married that you didn't see that, But no, I
actually believe you. Uh uh yeah, they had, they had,
they weren't They.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Weren't naked with some guy named Blue Face who was.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yeah, and he brought like these dancers who were scantily
clad and one of the yes, did you guys not
talk about this?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
When I was out last, Kelly and Stafford was shalty
about it. Well, we left it to you to work
a little bit, Blue dam I saw something about Kelly
Stafford being mad at Blueface, and I was just like,
all right, I'm gonna keep scrolling.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Then Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
No, that that's absolutely true. But no, great experience and
again off that forty one yard pass to start the game, like,
all right, we may have something. And you know, as
we predicted the games and went through, it's like, all right,
Bears will either win this game because they'll you know
STALEI ol Staley, or they'll get blown out. And I
(28:28):
got the ladder, you know, justin Herbert doing crazy things.
Austin Eckler is great in the screen game a number
of times. And I asked this question of Jason locking
for on the Show with Smith Monday night on Fox
Sports Radio. Is it me or do we see a
lot more? Hey, the flags on the field and then
we pick it up, there's no foul. It's like, why'd
you throw the damn flag? Or you know, picking it
(28:52):
up and staring at each other and or double clutching
the flags like you saw something that you wanted to
throw it and then it's like you waited for the
result of the play. It's like you know, when you're
watching a soccer match, as like or hockey, it's like,
all right, there's an advantage, all right, now we whistle it. Ah,
Now it's too long, so let's let's pull it off.
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You know, it's it's it's interesting where we're at with
NFL officiating. So there were a couple of those. Darnell
Mooney probably could have gotten up. He was not touched
after he made a reception early in the game, but
just flipped the ball to the official. Sure, so you know,
just confusion. And ultimately it was a beat down and
(29:35):
I had more beers than the Bears had points.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
That's a win for my comment.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Definitely a win for me.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
All right. So we hit on Vikings, we hit on Bears,
we hit on Falcons. They're also Steelers. Like a short week.
Can you picktt statuses up in the air. I don't
know if it matters too much to be perfectly honest
with you, but their opponent that they are playing, yes,
the Will Levis Era, go dive into that coming up next.
Plus what the heck is going on with Arizona. Maybe
(30:05):
there's value there as well. Plus Harmon's waiver wire pickups
for week nine. That's all next one. We wrap it
up here and I want your flex, all right, Welcome
back Mike up at Swollen Dome, find Bursch at Ryan Berschinger,
and find me at Dan Byer on Fox. I don't
know if you guys follow the the site Corked Bats.
That's a kind of satirical sports site. So some connections
(30:29):
through us. Yeah, it's it can be entertaining. And they
have tabbed Will Levis as Billy Jeans. Okay, that's the
nickname Billy Jeans. Yeah, yes, I think you think it's
pretty clever as well, So I had tipped to them.
Are you buying Billy Jeans? In the Tennessee Titans. The
Will Levis experiment well underway after a four touchdown performance
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against the Falcons on Sunday and likely to get this
start on Thursday against Pittsburgh. You buying Will Levis?
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Mike, I'll buy him at least for this next week,
ye against the Pittsburgh secondary. Fitzpatrick is out short week,
they're banged up. It'll be curious to see, you know. Again,
we're recording before the trade deadline. Whether DeAndre Hopkins just
had the greatest audition to go into a marketplace or not. Likewise,
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Derrick Henry, are they being Are they gonna sell off
some of those parts? But even if they do, He's
gonna wing it around like it's the one thing we
came out of this. And so you start looking at
some of those guys that were on the second team
that maybe they get a little bit more of a
look see. But yeah, for this week, I'll buy Wills absolutely.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Yeah, I mean I gotta give him credit, Like he
did look good, and especially going into a situation where
it was kind of established that both him and Malik
Willis were gonna get looks and he was so good
that that that never happened. Yeah, part of me wants
to say, well, you know, I want to hold off
to make a full judgment. It was just one game.
It could have it kind of you know, busted coverage
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plays with with with Hopkins. But at the same time,
it's not like DeAndre Hopkins like fully was doing this
for Tannehill either. So I give Levi's credit, like that's
that's very impressive for your first game. And I mean,
already he looks better than I thought he was. I
didn't think he was very good.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Yeah, I'll piggyback on that and say, as well, with
the state of the quarterbacking that we've got in the
National Football League right now, why not.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
You know, like if you're sitting there with you know,
Jordan Love or you know, any of these other you know,
quarterbacks in that situation. You know, I've Jordan Love in
the league, I've Deshaun Watson, you know, on the same team,
and it's I'm running three quarterbacks and yeah, Will Levis
right now, better option than all of them, even when
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DeShawn Watson's healthy. Gotta be honest, I think he's not
gonna top what he did this past week. Sure, like
this this is to me's gonna be your high point
total for him. But did carry the ball seven times,
only eleven yards, but maybe get a little something there.
His last touchdown pass the Westbrook Y Keene was was
a great throw. And if you just throw it to
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DeAndre Hopkins, if he's you know, still there, it's half
the battle. Throw it to your good players. So yeah,
I'm I'm on board. I just think we have to
temper our expectations that this was probably the best fantasy
game that he'll have all season long. I just I
don't think he's going to top a four touchdown game,
you know, by any.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Means no, and certainly and you know, short week against Pittsburgh.
Look obviously a rookie coming out a short week Thursday nights.
In general, we raise our eyebrows on most of these matchups.
I was reading a stat about the unders and how
much what is it, sixty and twenty nine since the
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start of the twenty twenty two seeds. That's how often
the hundred are hitting.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
So I mean so to that point, yeah, take take
that for what it is, because that's a significant sample size, uh,
nineteen and seven this year thus far. So we we
have that, and certainly Pittsburgh we know on their side
of things, their offense isn't helping to push towards the total.
It's not going to be quite Northwestern Iowa. I haven't
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seen the initial number yet, but it is going to
be low. I mean, it's going to push some of
those boundaries. But you look at the opportunity against that
Pittsburgh secondary again banged up, I'll give it a run,
like even even if Hopkins isn't there.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, thirty six is your magic numbers.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
But there you go. Yeah, I figured it. I figure
it was pushing.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, no, you're you're pretty close with that.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Jeans ahead, Bill, am I buying Billy jeans? I might
actually go by something a pair of jeans and just
name them after Will and eat some mayonnaise in my coffee.
That's right, just kidding, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:04):
And to your point about the quarterback play, Dan, we
just watched Jimmy g just completely miss a wide open
Davante Adams multiple times on Monday night. Like when you
have a receiver of the talent of DeAndre Hopkins, as
you're saying, getting him the ball is just half the battle.
And we have quarterbacks who have been in this league
for a long time showing that they can't even do
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that part of the battle right now. So yeah, the
fact that Levis was able to put up those numbers,
I'm definitely impressed.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Packer fans, by the way, relishing DeVante Adams being mad. Sure,
I saw a whole lot of you asked for this
Davante in the aftermath of what happened on Monday night.
So they are enjoying it. Not much to enjoy if
you're an Arizona Cardinals football fan, But you do not
(35:52):
have the worst record in the National Football League. So
you are a half game, a half game ahead, if
you will, of the Carolina Panthers for the worst record.
And we don't know who's gonna start against Cleveland, but
we know who's not going to start. Craziest thing, maybe
not the craziest thing I've heard the NFL. I just
(36:13):
love in this day and age of you know, we're
going to be positive. Arthur Smith can't you know, make
up his mind on what's going on that Jonathan Gannon
is so staunch at as convictions that he just knows.
Josh Dobbs isn't gonna play like like poor Josh Dobbs
by the way, but hey, like, I don't know who
(36:34):
we're gonna throw out there. It could be the rookie,
it could be Kyler Murray, but I'll tell you who
he won't this guy right here, Josh Dobbs, Like, how
I you know, I think there could be value Arizon
with Arizona down the line, if you've got Rondel Moore,
if you got you know, Hollywood bron if you wanted,
you know whatever. Whenever Kyler comes back, those guys take
a boost. Maybe that's the opportunity now. But I've never
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seen anything like it where it's like, we don't know
who we're gonna start, but it definitely won't be him.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
After watching the tape, it won't be him. Was it
code for it? He's getting traded, so he's not gonna
be here, So this is the way to address it.
We saw that interesting because I mean he's in terms
of options amongst quarterbacks to potentially be dealt. I mean,
(37:22):
we keep throwing a lot of these names out like
he's at least taken some meaningful snaps. Yeah, he's played
well in spurts. The try harder Cardinals have been in
a lot of games. Now, obviously this was a backdoor
situation to make these score look a little better than
the game was, but against Baltimore. But legitimately, like we
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keep talking about Tannehill and a bunch of the other guy,
I almost I'd rather have Dobbs than him at this point.
I'd rather have Dobbs than a lot of the options
that are being out there as quick fixes for Minnesota
or some of these other squads.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Also like stuck by Dobbs and then changed his tune
the next day, right, And usually you don't do that
with film study. You like, man, I can't believe how
bad he was, But hey, Chuck, he was a lot
worse than I thought. You know, we should bench him.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
You know, when you asked me that question right after
the game, you were really onto something like you.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Just don't see that, and so Mike, you may be
onto something there. But I will say this, the main
point of bringing it up is I do think that
those weapons for Arizona will have value, because it sure
does seem like Kyler Murray is coming back. It's just
sooner rather, you know, sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
But that's the curiosity too, right of Clayton Tune versus
Kyler Murray. And if Kyler Murray is healthy, do you
not want the number one?
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Well, the good thing is they're bad enough that he's Yeah,
he's not going to win any games single handledly for him,
I will say that.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Or the fact that you've are you just want to
see what he does even with a broken roster, Like
I'm trying to reconcile that right because I brought it up,
you know, and Brshall enjoys this a lot like the
Bears holding you know, their pick. You know, Carolina does
what Carolina does. They get the win this week, which
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is just a sloppy game, and they end up getting
the w over Houston. But with the Bears, they're in
the nightmare scenario of they're only a half a game
behind the Packers and they play them in week eighteen. Dan,
So the Bears and eber Flus in their desperate attempt
to say we should get another year, they could go
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and screw this up and actually win and let the
Packers slide in there to where suddenly they get to
pick ahead of where the Bears do for their own pick.
How crazy is that?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Again in the NFL being the genius all division games
at the end of the year, saying that sarcastically, I mean.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
You know me, I love my Let's play this team
twice in three weeks. Yes, yes, let's when when everybody's
hurt banged up. I mean we're at it in week nine. Yes,
let's have all the division games on the back end
with great meaning. With some teams, that's such a flip
of what they were to start a season.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
There's no magic way to do it, but it is.
It is pretty absurd. Did I miss did we miss
any court? Daniel Jones coming back for the Giants, but hey,
anything's better.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Than Toby Baby DeVito.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
Oh my goodness. Uh, I guess has.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Been cleared for contact, you know, to finish the there
so whatever that means. After that debacle against the Jets.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
And yeah, and then you know, with Pittsburgh's case coming
up on Thursday, Uh, you know, George Pickens probably needs
to get more involved. Deonton Johnson was very involved maybe and.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Very involved in complaining about the officials.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
Yeah, yeah, when when the Steelers were penalized less or
for less yardage than Jacksonville was in the game. Crazy stuff,
all right, Burst, you got anything to add to the
quarterbacks before u before Harmon gives us his waiver wire
picks week nine.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
Just one thought as you were mentioning with what the
Cardinals situation there and how their their pieces do look
do look very strong? And this is a nice little
transition here into the waivers. A Trey McBride looks excellent
and and with with zach Ertz on the I R U.
McBride had what ten catches that there's a there's there's
definitely a lot of possibility still from the from the
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Cardinals passing offense, even if it is Clayton Tune throwing
the ball.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
The good thing too about that is you know they're
going to be down and so the like, when their
games are out of hand, you still have a reason
to watch, You don't have to sit through the entire
Cardinals games, just join the second half when they're down
and have to throw the football. Yeah, it actually works
out quite nice.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
That thing to have on your grade, no question about it.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Holly. We brought at nine targets as well, so there's.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
You know it can keep winging it around.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, I think that there could be some value there.
All right, let's get to the waiver wires. Guys that
you want to pick up in a week nine. I
don't know if Billy Jeans is gonna be on this
list or not, but armor take it away.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well we already talked about him. So yeah, against the
Steelers that is Billy Jeans as his opportunity. Sam Howell
winging it as he does, another guy with some value
for you, Washington. You know Ron Rivera keeps saying the
quiet part out loud in press conferences about mistakes made,
and Sam Howell was one of them. Remember, Hey, I
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wish I would have known about this guy. Well, he'll
keep you in games again. People are reticent to go
alongside our run of the Gardner Minshew slash Josh Downs era.
Like both of those guys still available widely in leagues.
Down still in over a third of leagues despite the
high target count weekly. Look, all you can ask for
(42:59):
in these games is opportunity. We've been talking about this
for years. Like what happens with those opportunities? I don't know.
But if I got a guy that routinely is getting
seven to nine targets, I gotta think the law of
averages says that most weeks I'm at least putting up
a five spot, you know for you know, base reception
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and completions. So yeah, receptions and yardage, I should say.
So we got that Levis was officially on the list,
you know, in terms of my chicken scratch a guy
to watch. And again we're doing this ahead of the
trade deadline. If Jamis Winston gets out of New Orleans again,
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you know, say, say he becomes a guy I had
a shot sent to me of him in a Minnesota
Vikings uniform. That can be intrigued. Intriguing, right, and maybe
change it to that end. Also long term play, Uh,
if you're in a league that still has a lot
of raw spots, Nick Mullins may end up becoming that
guy when he comes back and is eligible to rejoin
(44:05):
the squad. Tight ends Birch, Gavis McBride the other one.
Depending on your league setup, go see if Taysom Hill
is still out there. Huge week eight opportunity in DJOKU.
A lot of people dumped him because of early ineffectiveness
or it relegated him to the bench. Maybe trade deadline
in your own fantasy league. A guy on an upswing
(44:27):
had a nice big week in Week eight, so opportunity there.
Darryl Henderson still available in more than a half of
leagues now with the Rams interesting another quarterback position. We
didn't really talk about a ton there, but with Matthew
Stafford now week to week to see what happens. Turning
to the run game seems inevitable. Devin Singletary twenty five
(44:51):
touches the last two weeks, not overly exciting, but again
opportunity if you're going to get double digit touches to
go make some hay. We talked about Kyler Murray coming back.
He's available in more than half of leagues, so a
stash and stash and wait. Look because depending on your
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league setup and who you're a provider is, you know,
you may have IR spots, so he may be just
being stashed in some leagues, and then conventional thinking was
based on them being inept from day one that he
wouldn't even see the field this year. But now we're
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getting ever closer to an opportunity for that to be
the case. Russell Wilson still available in half leagues. I
know it's a lot of quarterbacks, but the quarterback position
in such flux as we were just talking about, So
maybe an opportunity there there in Seattle. Zach charboney back
in healthy, available in about forty percent of leagues, so
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opportunity might knock there as well.
Speaker 3 (45:57):
All right, there it is. That's a lever wires targets
a lot of guys, But that's all right. We are
starting to hit the the home stretch as Yeah, we're
past the halfway point of the fantasy season, now hitting
the halfway point of the regular season. First, you got
anything you want to add.
Speaker 4 (46:15):
Dad, Let's let's free Josh Dobbs. Let's let's get him
out there, free Jamis. While we're at it, why not
let's have some.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Fun, all right? Yeah, trade deadline, we're doing this before
it happens. There's any stuff, we'll have it on the
Wednesday Pod for sure. So for Ryan Berschinger and Mike Carman.
I'm Dan Bayer, thanks for hanging out. We'll talk to
you next time right here, And I Wonder Blay
Host
Mike Harmon
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