January 8, 2025 • 39 mins
Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open this episode of the show taking a look at the NFL head coaching carousel... Which team's opening is the most desirable? How do the candidates stack up with one another? Later, the guys set up NFL Wild Card Weekend, previewing each of the six games and giving their predictions for who makes it through to the Divisional Round.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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They can seize in the National Football League, Mike Harmon,
(00:54):
We do three of them throughout the season. Gerrod Mayo
was the bit of a surprise on Sunday night. Doug
Peterson out of work on Monday for the Jacksonville Jaguars,
And yeah, it's that time of year for the coaches
to figure out who's gonna go where, who's gonna interview interviews.
You get an interview, you get an interview, you get
an interview. Rampant so far in these first couple of
(01:16):
days of the post regular season.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, seeing the laundry list of prospective interview subjects for
the Jets and Bears is pretty comical. Do you have
a pulse? Have you coached in the last thirty five years?
Come on in, let's talk about it. Let's glean some insights, right,
the Jets starting things off. Here's Rex Ryan gonna get
his talk. Ron Rivera was in there, Varibel in there,
(01:40):
Vrabel obviously one of the bells of the ball along
with you Ben Johnson, and you know.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
He's got his.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
List of priorities and thoughts of what he needs to
make things happen. And that's where I come down. And
all of this is the curiosity, because none of these
are great jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You look at Jacksonville. You keep Trent Balkey, How does
that make any sense? But you fire Doug Peterson. You've
got Trevor Lawrence coming off another injury. Congratulations to he
and his wife having a baby. And you know, Jason
and I talked about it on our show A Bunch.
He's talking about him being bounced and finding a new
(02:20):
place to become that generational quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
He was supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You can find the podcast wherever you got this one,
But you know, the short of it from my end
of it was again like we talked about on the
last episode with Kyler Murray and some of these other quarterbacks,
looking at the landscape, what am I finding that's better?
And can I find a guy to come in? And
that's been the curiosity with a lot of the lists
that I see of would be coaching hires, a lot
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of defensive guys. That's not fixing Trevor Lawrence, that's not
fixing Caleb Williams. That's not you know, going on down
the line. It's like, as much as I'd love to
see maybe Vance Joseph get another show, Aaron Glenn's been
fantastic what he did in the Red Zone, maybe I
overrated it on first watch, because second watch I go
(03:08):
back and see some of the what the hell was
Sam's Darnold missing? And you can circle guys pretty clear
that are dancing open. I mean, obviously pressure and speeding
up the clock helped but that we've got so many
defensive guys mixed there in Dan.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, there's gosh, there's a lot there with what you
said and the defensive guys doesn't make a ton of
sense to your point about your Bears. And even if
for the Jaguars, and I don't know how far their
their net is cast. I know Shad Khan took quite
a shot at Doug Peterson saying they were the most
predictable team in the National Football League this season. Yeah,
(03:45):
that isn't great when your owner is saying that publicly,
but that's the reason why you move on. But I
would hope and I would think that Ryan Poles and
Kevin Warren in Chicago would have an idea of what
this team is missing. And so the need to cast
this huge net to me is surprising. Like I get
(04:08):
the Jets doing it. You're gonna need a GM, You're
gonna need a head coach. Everything is being cleared out
in Chicago. You have your pieces in the front office
that are set to make this decision built around your quarterback.
And I would think that it would actually be quite
a narrow range of candidates that you would want to
talk to because you just went through a season where
(04:32):
you know what went wrong, and a lot of things
went wrong. So you don't need to talk to twenty
different people. You need to talk to five really good ones.
You don't need to go there and search everywhere. You
need someone to go in and do the right thing.
And that's what's surprising me about this. And I had
heard someone say over the last couple of weeks that
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you have Rabel on one column and you have Ben
Johnson on the other, and teams that are looking for
culture will go after Vrabel, teams that are looking for
offense will go after Ben Johnson, and you're not gonna
get a lot of cross pollination with these interviews. Well
that's kind of gone out the window because everybody's interviewing
everywhere right now, and just your Bears for you know,
as an example, we're just a surprise to me because
(05:17):
I would think that that front office would have an
idea of who they actually want to hire as a
head coach, and Mike, considering they've had a head start
for how many weeks to sit there and now want
to look at twenty different guys, doesn't make a ton
of sense to me.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Welcome to Chicago, which has been my whole point all
along with all of this fun stuff. I use this
line on air, so it may be a bit stale,
but the guy that I think has encapsulated my feelings
about where the Bears are and anybody that would be
looking to take this job. I know it's one of
(05:51):
thirty two. It's in Chicago. Fans are great cities, great food,
great everything about the city.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I love. Unk WWE Superstar was.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
On the Netflix broadcasts on Christmas Day to promote the
new era of Raw that began on Monday night, January
sixth from the Intuit Dome in Los Angeles, and when
asked about his bears, my Bears, Chicago's Bears said, until
there's a change in ownership and a real change of structure,
(06:26):
nothing changes business as usual. It'll be another disaster. Ryan
Poles is an empty suit. No matter how much Kevin
Warren wants to prop him up, He's going to make
the decision.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
But when asked anything in.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Those exit interviews the last couple of weeks, dan Ian
he stood there and stammered for fifteen seconds, like, wait,
I actually you're saying this is my call? He's going
to hire the next head coach when you Warren has
been coming over the top at every turn to talk
about the direction of the team whatever. It's like, No,
(07:00):
that's what your GM's.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You're supposed to be in figuring out the stadium and
land movement and whatever not that you're not still involved
with football operations. But you had a number of players
as they got ready to leave the facilities for the
final times going unless we really change something, which is
why you had some people kind of stumping for Vrabel.
It's like, you know where the buck stops, you know
(07:24):
where the line is drawn, and what you can get
away with. What is team behavior and where you get
you're getting sloppy And I don't think the Bears have
that inside that in those those office spaces right now
to where I would trust that they have any idea
what they want. It's your point is why they have
(07:44):
this wide array. Let's see if someone comes in off
this massive list and wows us it's a joke.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You have Caleb Williams. If he didn't show you enough now,
there's plenty of deficiencies. We've talked about him at nauseum
on the program and throughout the season and I've certainly
done it, you know on Sunday mornings and with Smith
that you know you've got a couple of wide receivers.
I mean they call Keenan Allen twinkletoes in Chicago. Just
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that he's not fully engaged was the assumption there. For
DJ Moore. We saw a lot of routes. We saw
him walk off the field during a play once Cole
Comet was invisible, very critical of the team. It's almost
like he was frozen out for being critical of the
play calling. Tight ends supposed to be a young quarterback's
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best friend. He had games where he didn't get targeted.
So trying to think that anybody in that building knew
what they were doing, and Thomas Brown going, oh, it'll
be a look a lot different.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's like you had the keys to the car for
quite a while.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Maybe Mike McCarthy can come in and fix.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It all Well, I was gonna say, like, whether you
like him or not, at least it would show to
my point a direction of their like we need someone
like Mike McCarthy. You need someone who runs an offense.
They Dallas like it or not. Dallas did have an
effective offense under Mike McCarthy, whether all the other stuff
falls into place, completely separate story, but at least it
(09:12):
would show direction just interviewing and Mike to bring Mike
Kafka back. Okay, you know, nice get Yeah, exactly, great,
cool story, the whole deal. But then you're talking to Flores,
you're talking to Arthur Smith. I know I'm missing a
couple of other names that arched out as well.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Why would you sit down and talk with Arthur Smith?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't make any It makes
zero sense to me. And so just like that's at
least with the Bears, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Now the Patriots, they're gonna do interviews. I don't know
if it's just a you know, just you know, puppets
to try to show that they're actually trying to do
a real search here. But Indeedy Kinkawalla tweeted on Sunday
(09:57):
that the whole reason Vrabel interviewed for the Jets was
to tell the Patriots, if you want to do something,
you better do it. And so he interviews for the Jets,
and a day later, drawn Mail gets fired, and I
just like it just seems it just seems too coincidental
to not have Mike Rabel end up taking over in
New England. And and that's it's not a hot to take
(10:17):
everybody's saying as much. But to that point, if you
know Vrabel's interviewing with the Jets, it's quite a message
to send to Robert Kraft. So to think that we're
going to now go through a whole you know, charade
of a full interview. And I know that there's candidates
that you have to you know, you have to fill
the ruty rule and speak with other other guys, but
(10:38):
it just seems like it's a foregone conclusion that it's
going to be Mike Rabel.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, that one seems to be to be locked up.
Just the whole process is just confusing a right, watching
what some of these teams are doing, the Jets, whether
they hire I mean, Rex Ryan would be great for content, Yeah,
I as a Jets fan, I'm sure for ian it.
You may not remember all of the Rex Ryan era,
but enough of it, no part of it.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Yeah, And I remember that it ended poorly and that
I don't know why it would be any different right now.
You wanted to come in and fix something that's dysfunctional,
like he had success coming into an organization that that
was set up for him to succeed, Like Eric Mangini
left and left him this this perfect roster with a
great offensive line. They got the young quarterback in Sanchez.
(11:25):
I just don't see a roster right now that Rex
Ryan is going to come in and just suddenly fix everything.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's well, it's no more country club atmosphere if he's
in there for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I'm so disappointed about the I wanted Rabel so bad
and now I'm gonna have to face him for the
next twenty years in the same division.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
How does it feel to be used by Rabel? Like?
Does that? Does that hurt it all?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'ms a couple of years.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, right us before exactly how does it feel?
I mean, you know, it's not great, but there's still
other candidates I like out there, so we pivot it.
Just the worst part is that he's going to a
division rival. That's the worst part is that he used
leverage to get the job with a division rival. Who's
now like who have their quarterback too? So they have
(12:12):
their quarterback and now they have a guy who I
feel pretty Dann confident is there is going to be
their head coach for the next two decades.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, it's just it's funny to me to think it's
it's almost like, you know, Vrabel just was like, watch
me get behind enemy lines, watch me do this, and
they kind of fell for it. I guess they're doing
their due diligence. And if Rabel wants to interview you,
you do the interview, But also you have to wonder of, like,
why would you want to interview with us? Just I mean,
(12:40):
I think you have to ask yourself that, And I
don't know if the Jets have the wherewithal to realize that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
To that end.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Is Rabel that great or is it that everybody else
is that far a step behind?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I love them, like I think he was great in Tennessee.
I thought that was one of those things where he
was fired and it was just a complete shock.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I think I think that he is really good in
setting the culture and because of the Lion's success, that
is trendy, very.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Fair, very fair, because I was immediately picturing Dan Campbell
in my head kind of at the same.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And honestly, Vrabel was probably the one to do it
prior to that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Not to the same level of uh yeah, championship game though.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, well you know they were the heck you know
they were when they lost to the to the Bengals.
Were they were they a number one seed that that year?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I thought that that right.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, But but you know, just the just the fact
of I think Campbell made it cool. I don't think
that we were looking at it with when Vrabel was
doing it. Plus you just had Derrick Henry and you're like, oh,
they're giving them ball to Derrick Henry and having him
run up and down, the up, down the field.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Sow nine and seven second in the AFC South lost
to the Chiefs in the AFC title game. Following year
go eleven and five when the division lose to the
Ravens in the wildcard game, and then twenty twenty one,
twelve and five lost to the Bengals in the divisional game,
and then final two years were seven and ten and
(14:17):
six and eleven.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, and then that shows like after a little while,
it kind of wears out. People aren't listening anymore. But
as players loved them. We saw the videos of him sure,
you know, waiting in the tunnel for his team to
walk off the field. So I think all of that works.
And plus honestly, he was out smarting Belichick rule you
going to bring up yeah, yeah, yeah. So so there's
(14:40):
there's a lot there. There's a lot that's appealing, and
I think people would want him to come in and
just end up changing that that atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, we keep using that term culture, and certainly I'm
not looking for that from a Bobby Slowick. Yeah, no,
who had a good run last year and this year
he had more on that roster in it. Yes, there
were some injuries, but yeah, it took a decided step back,
even though the division's stunk in.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Their offensive line stunk. No, they were bad, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
They were terrible. But you know, much like with Caleb Williams,
like you know, I want to do the shot chart
of how much of that is him hanging on to
the ball a beat too long waiting for someone to
get open.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm coming off of a season where my team, you know,
had a first year head coach and won ten games,
and I have no idea what to expect next year.
I don't know if we're to go eight to nine.
I don't know if they're going to go twelve and five.
I have no idea. I don't know what the future
of any of it is. And honestly, like you call
it a success, but you're like, all right, what do
we what do we have here with the offensive coordinator?
(15:44):
Change in reality, if you're like a coaching if Mike
to your point and just getting back to the point
you made about ten minutes ago, if you're looking for offense,
you have to take care of your quarterback. And there
is probably no better or example than Dave can Alice
in what he did with Bryce Young over this last stretch.
(16:06):
Absolutely and how important it is. So like if you're
gonna go down that route, I don't know if Liam Cohen,
you know, is the guy from Tampa that is that
is a hot name, that could be that guy. But
quarterback coach, you know, as can Allis was coming in
taking you know, Gino Smith to what he did and
then going to Tampa and helping Baker Mayfield and not
(16:27):
doing this as a head coach with Bryce Young, I
mean maybe that's maybe that should be the trendy path
that people are trying to follow instead of just interviewing
all these defensive guys.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah, it's just the curiosity whenever you see these giant
lists start to flow. Frankly, I was surprised, you know,
Las Vegas either hasn't made a decision as we tape
this late on Monday night in the Tuesday morning, that
the Raiders hadn't made a decision, And the whole McCarthy
and Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Thing is just laughable.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah right, I mean because because he did the couple
of years ago. I actually found a tweet of mine
when Jason Garrett was gonna be a lame like he
was going into a free agency period, same thing either,
you know, and I put up the office space meme
of fixing the glitch.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, he's just not on payroll anymore. We didn't really
fire him. We just let it. We just let it
come to its end.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Man, Cowboys, they do business.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Jerry was really good on land Man, though. I say
that little monologue was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I've seen that. I haven't seen the show yet, but
I've seen all the I've seen all of the the
the clips of it. Yeah, maybe an Emmy is in
his future.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Do you believe it for any second that he didn't
know the contract status of his quarterback and the bonus?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Okay, good I don't believe.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
So, because otherwise it really is more damning than anything.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah that we've seen, right, Maybe maybe maybe we're giving
him too much credit, but I think that.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I really had no idea. Really, Wow, that's Malfeasan's on
a whole other level.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Well, the Buccaneers are like, hey, Saints, let Mike Evans
get eight yards, you know, then we'll do this and
run this out.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Boy, that got people so mad.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, how about that for a second, Like guys hitting
the incentives at how much anger there was? I mean,
Jeno Smith made six million dollars, I know, six million.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I know, yep, the touchdowns, the completion percentage, win number ten, Yes,
if only there was win number eleven. Yeah, frustrated Seahawks man.
All right, sorry, buddy, that's all right. Let's take a
time out. We're gonna preview wild Card weekend. We'll do
a little car wash with the six games and uh yeah,
that'll be the second half of this episode. If I
want your flex, that's coming up next. He's Mike Karmen,
(18:48):
I'm Dan Byer it is I want your flex. Ian Roddy,
our executive producer, hanging out as well. A two week
post regular season into the playoffs. Two episode week of
I Want Your Flights. We appreciate you guys hanging out
with us. There will be no Friday morning episode. We
only do that during the regular season to get your
lineups ready with for your fantasy teams. The point that
(19:14):
I'm trying to make is we're going to be doing
one episode per week after this week. Just so much
going on with the coaching carousel the end of the
season starting into the postseason, we decided to do two
episodes this week, but from here on out through the
Super Bowl, we'll be doing one episode a week. But
michae let's stop right into it. Playoff games six of them,
and all starts with Chargers and Texans on Saturday afternoon
(19:38):
in Houston. It's like tradition. Houston always gets that first
game out of the gates when they win the AFC
South and get to host it. But that's what we
got to start off wild Card weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Chargers two and a half point favorite forty two and
a half the total as we sit here and record this,
so you can get in fro under a hundred bucks
if you want.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And it's also the SpongeBob game. Oh yeah, guess what
I'll be watching.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I know you'll be watching SpongeBob.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Anytime I can get the voices of SpongeBob and the
animation in sign me McCole.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Hardman's touchdown last year was incredible in the Super Bowl.
SpongeBob screaming touchdown.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Nicely done.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
And what we'll be curious is what kind of role
does Ezekiel Elliott play?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
How about that for a Monday Night, We'll drop a
nugget in there. After getting released by the Cowboys, he
finds his way.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
To the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
It feels like there's just a lot of weight on
the Chargers side of things, right, that that bandwagon has
really filled up for this particularly for this game to
Barry Houston.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, I think deservedly so. Honestly, I know that there
was a dip that the Chargers had this season, but
they didn't have a running game without JK. Dobbins and
not that Ezekiel Elliott is going to provide the boost.
But once Dobbin come Dobbins came back, felt like it
was more legit of a team and that Broncos win
(21:05):
that they had that they needed to have against Denver.
I think kind of got the sour taste out of
people's mouth from what they had to deal with the
last couple of weeks. I don't know if the Chargers
will go on a deep run. I think they'll beat
the Texans mic, and if they do, I think it
could be pretty interesting if they face the Chiefs in
the division round. If the Seeds end up holding like
(21:27):
they do. No guarantee that that could happen, but I
don't find many ways where I think Houston wins this game.
I do think that the Chargers just defensively are better
and they'll be able to make more plays. They're similar,
almost similar teams except for CJ. Stroud as a guy
like Nico Collins with him, But I just think that
(21:48):
the Chargers are a better team.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Herbert with McConkey certainly has been a great connection through
the year. Curious to see Quinton Johnston the way he's
played thirteen catches in the last game. Drops have been
the identity through his first two seasons, but he's had
some big moments, some big games here for the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They're gaining more confidence in him. And then you.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Mentioned the run game, but certainly on the other side,
Chargers being the best defense in all of football, giving
up just seventeen point seven per game, and that pass
rush against that beleaguered offensive line.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I think they make it tough for Stroud.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah. Yeah, the Chargers offensive line is better. He kind
of threw some shade at the Texans line in the
last segment.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
All about Alton Rashaun Slater, who said about this?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
How about this? The Texans went ten and seven, scored
three hundred and seventy two points this year, allowed three
hundred and seventy two points this year. They're differential was zero.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
How about that boom.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Man the Nightcap Steelers Cravens. I really don't like this rivalry.
It's just kind of boring to me. I hated it
when it was in its heyday. It kind of got
fresh to me again and now it's the third time
seeing it, and I just I don't see a way
for Pittsburgh. They've they've Mike I believed in them for
(23:06):
a while. I was calling for Mike Tomlin Coach of
the Year, but the way they played down the stretch
against good opponents just wasn't there. And I don't see
it happening on center.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
This one where they if they really get buried, that
we can finally have an honest conversation about.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
What the Steelers had been. Sure you and I have
had that.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
I'm talking nationally because folks, you know, the staunch defenders
of Hey, we're always in it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It's like, are you really in it?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And I think I was a sucker for that they
were in it. I think I felt that their defense
was better than what it was and that the offense
didn't have to do as much. So you could get
shot plays, you could hit George Pickens, you could do
those sort of things. Russell Wilson could make a throw
here or there. Wouldn't have to do it for four quarters.
We'd just have to do it for four or five plays.
(23:53):
But it sure seems like they needed a little bit more.
And yeah, it's just it's it's been a tough goal,
both on the offensive and defensive sides. And then there
seems to even be some infighting.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Well that's the bigger thing, right Offensively, I mean, we're
looking at a number of games in a row thirteen
point scored, seventeen points scored, ten points seventeen go back
a lot in the teams to where the defense has
had to carry the day, we got the moon ball
from Wilson to a bit some really bad decision making
down the stretch, as we alluded to in the last episode.
(24:28):
But you know, the George Pickens thing is just fascinating
to me, just where he's at mentally and physically. You know,
just checked out quite often and disappeared. And as much
as I love Pat Fryermuth, there's only so much you
can do with him Stretching the field. Najee Harris, Jalen
Warren will give you some opportunities now and again, but
(24:49):
you're not seeing enough from Austin and these other guys
to think you're really going to be able to play in.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
The score that you're gonna need to.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
With Baltimore, I don't think they're a ten point favorite
in this one.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
For those that missed that, George Pickens had six targets
in their season finale on Saturday, one catch for zero yards,
multiple passes going through his hands, just not bringing it in.
It was ugly against Cincinnati, all right. So that's the
Saturday slate. Sunday starts with Denver and Buffalo. I actually
think Buffalo could get a run for their money. I
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think that Denver is going to bring it defensively. We
know they will. I think they can score against Buffalo.
Buffalo may ultimately win and make me look like a
fool and win by three touchdowns. But if I had
to pick any team that I think can hang in
Week one that is a lower seed, outside of picking
the Chargers to win, I think Denver actually has it,
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has a shot to compete against Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Eight and a half the line, forty seven and a
half the total bo Nicks in that offense making some
things happen. Courtland Sutton special. You're looking at the way
Knicks can make plays with his legs too, much like
his counterpart Allan does. And I think that's where we
get into it, right when we look at Denver, what
were they the third or fourth best scoring defense in
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the game. Advance, Joseph. This is where we get into
those debates of you know, getting another shot. Do you
take a defensive coach in this day and age where
everybody wants the offensive wizard and all of that, But
who do you really fear in that Buffalo receiving corps?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Nobody? No one, right, nobody?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
So Josh Allen making plays with his leg sure and
improvisational there'll be a guy that makes a play. But
in terms of hey, we have to design a defense
to take someone away. Just don't let Josh Allen get
off on thirty yard sprints right, and James Cook will
do some damage out of the backfield as a runner
and receiver.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But yeah, eight and a half the total. I'll certainly
take the points. Would not be surprised if Peyton and
Joseph have a script whereby they can go in and
steal this game.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, Buffalo, I end up winning in the end, but
I think Denver puts up a fight the Fox Marquee
Window game, if you will, Packers and Eagles smack dab
As we start the NFC slate of things, Jalen hurts
a concussion protocol is a question Jordan Love and his scenario.
We mentioned Christian Watson earlier. I think the Eagles are
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the better team, and I think that the Eagles win
this game. MIC. But it's funny because it was our
second game of the year. In Brazil, they play and
the Eagles and Packers put on a high scoring affair,
And there was probably from about weeks three through about
week thirteen that I felt if Green Bay played Philadelphia again,
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that Green Bay would win that game, and from then
on I don't think that way anymore. I think Philadelphia
beats him again. Philadelphia is just better than they were
at the start of the year, and I'm not sure
Green Bay is better than they are at than the
start of the year.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And I asked this legitimately, because we're still very early
in this week. Is it possible we see Malik Willis
against Kenny Pickett? Sure, I mean legitimately, I mean we're
I mean we're three weeks into Jalen Hurt's concussion protocol.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Has Tanner McKee not proven enough.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
To I'm all for the Tanner McKee. I did watch
the trading card market go insane with people bidding up Tanner.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
McKee cards after each he flashed.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
But all that to say that it doesn't just become
Barkley versus Josh Jacobs and the kicking games at play
here in the midst of blizzards and whatever the hell
else is going on weatherwise on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I thought this was going to be the Sunday night game,
and then I think actually Fox got first DIBs on
the game that they wanted.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Look at those markets yeah, no, sure, Yeah, all right,
Eagles four point favorites forty five and a half.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Give me Barkley and the kicker.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Well, I mean just talent, I guess talent. All Like,
even if Hurts doesn't play, you still have to defend
brown Smith Goddard's back and Barkley out of the back.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, I'll take that contingency.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm good with that. Sunday Night is Commanders at Buccaneers.
That's coming up next. I know this could be a
fun game, but this is just a game that I'm
not locked into. I don't know why. I think it's
because I don't believe in the Commanders, and the Commanders
are fun for everybody else unless your team was like
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competing kind of indirectly for a wild card. You know.
I had my eye as a Seahawks fan on them.
It was like, come on, can you can you lose
at least at some point? They're they're fun for for
everyone that's not tied to the NFC East or in
the playoff wise, but I I don't know how much
I'd be dying to drive home and be like, Okay,
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I got to be there for the command or Buccaneers
Sunday night game. But it should at least be fun,
It should be entertaining and can provide some fireworks on
Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Bucks three point favorites. This is the highest total of
the weekend. Fifty and a half is you're over under
and look at what Baker Mayfield has been. You know,
we got wrapped up in the Mike Evans Quest for
a thousand and everything. But McMillan's been fantastic, Bucky Irving
one of the great stories from a fantasy perspective, and
(30:27):
certainly overall Washington, Jaden Daniels and company. I just don't
do I just say I don't trust Cliff Kingsbury in
a big spot.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I don't trust their defense either. Yeah, I don't. I'm
with you there, Yeah, I gosh, it sounds like the Bucketeer.
I feel I feel a little like my money going
into Tampa Bay. I'm like, I don't know, but I
guess it probably ultimately side with them.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I do know that I'll be having many convert stations
about this towards the end of the week with my dad,
so I'm really gonna have to bone up on how
the individual it's this enlightening hockey.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Kah Man, all right, let's let's wrap it up. I
do want to recap with that convo Vikings Rams Monday
Night football to wrap up the wild card weekend.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Vikings on a letdown after a massive end of season game.
Now they do get the the extra day and it's
a Monday night game, the Rams coming off or resting everybody.
I just fear that the letdown for Donald and that
offense off of that red zone inefficiency, because everybody's good.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I mean, you've got both of you. I'm sure have
gone back through.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And seen the Wow, that was open?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That was open? How did he miss that? Read? What
is it? And it's all accelerated. Obviously Glenn did a
good job.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Of speeding up everything in Donald's head to where he
may have seen ghosts again old reference, but just wondering
if that kind of physicality, that kind of violence doesn't
have carryover effect into this game.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
When I've counted them out, they've proved me wrong. I
do think that Sean McVay is onto something, and I
feel like he feels that if he puts his best
team out there that they will have a chance to
win fully healthy. I'm gonna go with Minnesota on this one,
gonna I'm gonna buy into it. I know it's a
funky week you're on the road, but I'm gonna take
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Minnesota and believe in those fourteen wins and not just
what we saw on Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, I also have to push in on Sam Donald
because otherwise the conversation that I'll have to have with
Smith on Monday night will not be one I want
to have on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, as a man who's still scarred from Sam Donald,
whether he wants to admit it or not, from those
days as it Yet you want to comment on, no, thanks,
just leave it in the past.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Do you root for Sam Donold?
Speaker 6 (33:05):
I actually do.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Yeah, I do, And I think I'm probably rooting for
the Vikings in this game, But I don't know. Like
O'Connell used to work under McVeigh, he was his offensive coordinator.
I wonder if McVeigh is gonna be ready for a
few things he has to throw at him.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
But at the end of the day, I.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Think I'm with you, Dan, I think I think I
have the Vikings just because both offenses you expect to
be great. And then I'll definitely take the Vikings defense
over the Rams.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
So because that was the thing this last week, I
mean against the Lions, the Vikings move the ball, they
just got greedy in the red zone afield.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
They just couldn't finish it in the end in the
red zone.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Kick a field goal. It's okay, take the three.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Your defense plays well, and then if Van Ginkle again
doesn't drop the ball, maybe we have a tie game
and it plays out differently in those final seventeen minutes
or whatever the hell that would have been. But all
of that to say, I mean, fourteen and three is
fourteen and three.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, eighteen of forty one is tough to cover up.
I think that was the final line for this. This
is true on Sunday night. But still, yeah, to your point,
you make a couple of plays here, a couple of
plays there, and Donald too, a couple of throws Jefferson
in the end zone and whatnot could have could have
been a different story. When you get in that avalanche
in Detroit and it just starts coming, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
That snowballed quickly and Jamior Gibbs suddenly was running free
without a lot of real contact on him, yes, right,
and bouncing off of guys where and running through guys
who at some point it seemed like they'd had their
spirit knocked out of them as well.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well, what a way to end on to seventy two
with that. And now we've got the playoff, the playoffs
that actually think are underrated because we don't even look
at them. We always say, oh, Stanley Cup playoffs are
the best baseball in October, NBA playoffs, it's we don't
care about the regular season, but the NFL playoffs quick,
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great games, great matchups, and then ultimately leading up to
Super Bowl, which I think overshadows everything but should be fun.
The fun the next two two and a half weeks
or so in diving into all of this as we
we get closer and closer to the end.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
But think about it, we get wild Card weekend, we
get the total of six games, and then we get
the two nights before, we get a couple of college games.
I think we're doing okay. Yes, one of the finest
weekends the year.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
It's almost like, I don't know, we should be back
on holiday holiday.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
You get Orange Bowl. I think we're going to get
the Cotton Bowl on Friday. Weather in Texas. Could this
is true, some havoc with that. Playoffs on Saturday, playoffs
on Sunday, playoffs on Monday. And don't forget Mike the TGL, Yes,
Tiger Woods making Let's go, Yes, the new televised Golf League.
(35:49):
I'm actually looking forward to that, but that will be
for another day.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
We always love when our stars and superstars are still
out there and playing. And like I always say, at
fifty one, I need these guys to keep participating.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yes, him and Rogers needs.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
To sign somewhere, whether he's back with the Jets or
somewhere else. I need these guys to extend these careers.
Lebron Cyborg or whatever the hell you're doing, play another
five to seven years like you threatened to last week.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
All of these things make me feel young.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Ian just coming off of his birthday twenty five. My
birthday will be coming up next week, so we don't
have to mention the number for that. So anyway, all right, Ian,
got anything before we wrap this up?
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Just excited for some playoff football. I've missed it and
this is the It's nice to not have to worry
about the Jets anymore.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
You know, I missed it.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Yeah, I'm free I don't have to worry about the
Jets every Sunday.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Now.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
It's just straight up good football from here on out.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Well, at least you guys have a top ten pick
to do with a mock draft. Like all my mock
drafts are eighteen, and it's just like, all right, there's
no fun in that because you have no idea at
least at seven or ten. When you're doing mock draft,
she's like, Okay, this realistic chance this guy could be here.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Sure, Yeah, you get down to.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Eighteen, it's just kind of like a crap. Shoot, all right,
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
You know, I'm big into the draft, Dan, and it's
like this, this is the year though, to where like
if there was any year to where it just doesn't
really matter how high you're picking, it's probably this year
because the yeah, there aren't the quarterbacks. The consensus top player,
Travis Hunter is you know, kind of a tweeterer. We
don't really know what he's going to be playing. It's
you know, it's all up in the air.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Well, I saw Matt Miller tweet. He says that the
twenty twenty seven draft could be the greatest draft that
he's ever seen, and that the twenty twenty six draft
of players is going to be really good. Not as
good as twenty twenty seven, but also not as good
as twenty twenty three. Here at twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Did Matt just tell us not to read any of
his stuff for the.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
Next two years? Basically, twenty twenty seven is going to
be just wait for it.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Once we get into that, the draft, the nitty gritty
for that, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
I know it's it's like comical, but like it really,
there were the true freshmen in college football this year.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
We're on another level. It's gonna be insane in a
couple of years.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
But well you could start searching. Hey in good news, Ian,
your Jets will probably be picking high in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
It's a safe bet. It's a safe bet.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
All right, Let's get back to those petitions like Orlando
Pace and all those guys. Let's go to the pros
early baby.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
By the way, Walter Football, I believe, yeah raft is
it draft countdown dot Com?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I yeah, Draft countdown dot count Sure.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
They're twenty seven mock draft has Julian Sayan, the quarterback
at Ohio State, to transfer from Alabama last year. He
goes one to the Panthers. Wow, And Jeremiah Smith wide
receiver Ohio State goes two to the Commanders. Yeah, that's
they've had. Listen. Good news, Ian, your Jets take a
quarterback and DJ Lagway at number ten. Beast, Mike, you
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get Colin Simmons rusher out of Texas.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Oh great at.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Number nine, and good news for me. The Seahawks don't
make the playoffs as they pick sixteen, and everybody always
mocks a tight end to them. Caleb Odom is their
tight end. That would be that's in this twenty twenty
seven mock draft right now. That is on Shane Hallum.
Let's give them credit if you're doing this work. Shane,
congratulations on the work at draftcountdown dot com.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Because if I go buy that jersey now, I have
it for three years before the gets to the podium.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Uh. Dylan Reyola sixth to the Giants, saying there it
is all right. Let's yeah, we'll wrap up with that.
We'll be back with a review of the wild card weekend,
and then I'll look ahead to the divisional preview and
again our episodes will drop down to one time a
week starting next week. So for Mike Carbon and Ian Roddy,
I'm Dan Byer. We'll talk to you next time. Right
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We do three of them throughout the season. Gerrod Mayo
was the bit of a surprise on Sunday night. Doug
Peterson out of work on Monday for the Jacksonville Jaguars,
And yeah, it's that time of year for the coaches
to figure out who's gonna go where, who's gonna interview interviews.
You get an interview, you get an interview, you get
an interview. Rampant so far in these first couple of
(01:16):
days of the post regular season.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, seeing the laundry list of prospective interview subjects for
the Jets and Bears is pretty comical. Do you have
a pulse? Have you coached in the last thirty five years?
Come on in, let's talk about it. Let's glean some insights, right,
the Jets starting things off. Here's Rex Ryan gonna get
his talk. Ron Rivera was in there, Varibel in there,
(01:40):
Vrabel obviously one of the bells of the ball along
with you Ben Johnson, and you know.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
He's got his.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
List of priorities and thoughts of what he needs to
make things happen. And that's where I come down. And
all of this is the curiosity, because none of these
are great jobs.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
You look at Jacksonville. You keep Trent Balkey, How does
that make any sense? But you fire Doug Peterson. You've
got Trevor Lawrence coming off another injury. Congratulations to he
and his wife having a baby. And you know, Jason
and I talked about it on our show A Bunch.
He's talking about him being bounced and finding a new
(02:20):
place to become that generational quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
He was supposed to be.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
You can find the podcast wherever you got this one,
But you know, the short of it from my end
of it was again like we talked about on the
last episode with Kyler Murray and some of these other quarterbacks,
looking at the landscape, what am I finding that's better?
And can I find a guy to come in? And
that's been the curiosity with a lot of the lists
that I see of would be coaching hires, a lot
(02:47):
of defensive guys. That's not fixing Trevor Lawrence, that's not
fixing Caleb Williams. That's not you know, going on down
the line. It's like, as much as I'd love to
see maybe Vance Joseph get another show, Aaron Glenn's been
fantastic what he did in the Red Zone, maybe I
overrated it on first watch, because second watch I go
(03:08):
back and see some of the what the hell was
Sam's Darnold missing? And you can circle guys pretty clear
that are dancing open. I mean, obviously pressure and speeding
up the clock helped but that we've got so many
defensive guys mixed there in Dan.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, there's gosh, there's a lot there with what you
said and the defensive guys doesn't make a ton of
sense to your point about your Bears. And even if
for the Jaguars, and I don't know how far their
their net is cast. I know Shad Khan took quite
a shot at Doug Peterson saying they were the most
predictable team in the National Football League this season. Yeah,
(03:45):
that isn't great when your owner is saying that publicly,
but that's the reason why you move on. But I
would hope and I would think that Ryan Poles and
Kevin Warren in Chicago would have an idea of what
this team is missing. And so the need to cast
this huge net to me is surprising. Like I get
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the Jets doing it. You're gonna need a GM, You're
gonna need a head coach. Everything is being cleared out
in Chicago. You have your pieces in the front office
that are set to make this decision built around your quarterback.
And I would think that it would actually be quite
a narrow range of candidates that you would want to
talk to because you just went through a season where
(04:32):
you know what went wrong, and a lot of things
went wrong. So you don't need to talk to twenty
different people. You need to talk to five really good ones.
You don't need to go there and search everywhere. You
need someone to go in and do the right thing.
And that's what's surprising me about this. And I had
heard someone say over the last couple of weeks that
(04:55):
you have Rabel on one column and you have Ben
Johnson on the other, and teams that are looking for
culture will go after Vrabel, teams that are looking for
offense will go after Ben Johnson, and you're not gonna
get a lot of cross pollination with these interviews. Well
that's kind of gone out the window because everybody's interviewing
everywhere right now, and just your Bears for you know,
as an example, we're just a surprise to me because
(05:17):
I would think that that front office would have an
idea of who they actually want to hire as a
head coach, and Mike, considering they've had a head start
for how many weeks to sit there and now want
to look at twenty different guys, doesn't make a ton
of sense to me.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Welcome to Chicago, which has been my whole point all
along with all of this fun stuff. I use this
line on air, so it may be a bit stale,
but the guy that I think has encapsulated my feelings
about where the Bears are and anybody that would be
looking to take this job. I know it's one of
(05:51):
thirty two. It's in Chicago. Fans are great cities, great food,
great everything about the city.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I love. Unk WWE Superstar was.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
On the Netflix broadcasts on Christmas Day to promote the
new era of Raw that began on Monday night, January
sixth from the Intuit Dome in Los Angeles, and when
asked about his bears, my Bears, Chicago's Bears said, until
there's a change in ownership and a real change of structure,
(06:26):
nothing changes business as usual. It'll be another disaster. Ryan
Poles is an empty suit. No matter how much Kevin
Warren wants to prop him up, He's going to make
the decision.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
But when asked anything in.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Those exit interviews the last couple of weeks, dan Ian
he stood there and stammered for fifteen seconds, like, wait,
I actually you're saying this is my call? He's going
to hire the next head coach when you Warren has
been coming over the top at every turn to talk
about the direction of the team whatever. It's like, No,
(07:00):
that's what your GM's.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
You're supposed to be in figuring out the stadium and
land movement and whatever not that you're not still involved
with football operations. But you had a number of players
as they got ready to leave the facilities for the
final times going unless we really change something, which is
why you had some people kind of stumping for Vrabel.
It's like, you know where the buck stops, you know
(07:24):
where the line is drawn, and what you can get
away with. What is team behavior and where you get
you're getting sloppy And I don't think the Bears have
that inside that in those those office spaces right now
to where I would trust that they have any idea
what they want. It's your point is why they have
(07:44):
this wide array. Let's see if someone comes in off
this massive list and wows us it's a joke.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
You have Caleb Williams. If he didn't show you enough now,
there's plenty of deficiencies. We've talked about him at nauseum
on the program and throughout the season and I've certainly
done it, you know on Sunday mornings and with Smith
that you know you've got a couple of wide receivers.
I mean they call Keenan Allen twinkletoes in Chicago. Just
(08:15):
that he's not fully engaged was the assumption there. For
DJ Moore. We saw a lot of routes. We saw
him walk off the field during a play once Cole
Comet was invisible, very critical of the team. It's almost
like he was frozen out for being critical of the
play calling. Tight ends supposed to be a young quarterback's
(08:35):
best friend. He had games where he didn't get targeted.
So trying to think that anybody in that building knew
what they were doing, and Thomas Brown going, oh, it'll
be a look a lot different.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
It's like you had the keys to the car for
quite a while.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Maybe Mike McCarthy can come in and fix.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
It all Well, I was gonna say, like, whether you
like him or not, at least it would show to
my point a direction of their like we need someone
like Mike McCarthy. You need someone who runs an offense.
They Dallas like it or not. Dallas did have an
effective offense under Mike McCarthy, whether all the other stuff
falls into place, completely separate story, but at least it
(09:12):
would show direction just interviewing and Mike to bring Mike
Kafka back. Okay, you know, nice get Yeah, exactly, great,
cool story, the whole deal. But then you're talking to Flores,
you're talking to Arthur Smith. I know I'm missing a
couple of other names that arched out as well.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Why would you sit down and talk with Arthur Smith?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't make any It makes
zero sense to me. And so just like that's at
least with the Bears, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Now the Patriots, they're gonna do interviews. I don't know
if it's just a you know, just you know, puppets
to try to show that they're actually trying to do
a real search here. But Indeedy Kinkawalla tweeted on Sunday
(09:57):
that the whole reason Vrabel interviewed for the Jets was
to tell the Patriots, if you want to do something,
you better do it. And so he interviews for the Jets,
and a day later, drawn Mail gets fired, and I
just like it just seems it just seems too coincidental
to not have Mike Rabel end up taking over in
New England. And and that's it's not a hot to take
(10:17):
everybody's saying as much. But to that point, if you
know Vrabel's interviewing with the Jets, it's quite a message
to send to Robert Kraft. So to think that we're
going to now go through a whole you know, charade
of a full interview. And I know that there's candidates
that you have to you know, you have to fill
the ruty rule and speak with other other guys, but
(10:38):
it just seems like it's a foregone conclusion that it's
going to be Mike Rabel.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, that one seems to be to be locked up.
Just the whole process is just confusing a right, watching
what some of these teams are doing, the Jets, whether
they hire I mean, Rex Ryan would be great for content, Yeah,
I as a Jets fan, I'm sure for ian it.
You may not remember all of the Rex Ryan era,
but enough of it, no part of it.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Yeah, And I remember that it ended poorly and that
I don't know why it would be any different right now.
You wanted to come in and fix something that's dysfunctional,
like he had success coming into an organization that that
was set up for him to succeed, Like Eric Mangini
left and left him this this perfect roster with a
great offensive line. They got the young quarterback in Sanchez.
(11:25):
I just don't see a roster right now that Rex
Ryan is going to come in and just suddenly fix everything.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
It's well, it's no more country club atmosphere if he's
in there for Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
I'm so disappointed about the I wanted Rabel so bad
and now I'm gonna have to face him for the
next twenty years in the same division.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
How does it feel to be used by Rabel? Like?
Does that? Does that hurt it all?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I'ms a couple of years.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, right us before exactly how does it feel?
I mean, you know, it's not great, but there's still
other candidates I like out there, so we pivot it.
Just the worst part is that he's going to a
division rival. That's the worst part is that he used
leverage to get the job with a division rival. Who's
now like who have their quarterback too? So they have
(12:12):
their quarterback and now they have a guy who I
feel pretty Dann confident is there is going to be
their head coach for the next two decades.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Well, it's just it's funny to me to think it's
it's almost like, you know, Vrabel just was like, watch
me get behind enemy lines, watch me do this, and
they kind of fell for it. I guess they're doing
their due diligence. And if Rabel wants to interview you,
you do the interview, But also you have to wonder of, like,
why would you want to interview with us? Just I mean,
(12:40):
I think you have to ask yourself that, And I
don't know if the Jets have the wherewithal to realize that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
To that end.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Is Rabel that great or is it that everybody else
is that far a step behind?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
I love them, like I think he was great in Tennessee.
I thought that was one of those things where he
was fired and it was just a complete shock.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
I think I think that he is really good in
setting the culture and because of the Lion's success, that
is trendy, very.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Fair, very fair, because I was immediately picturing Dan Campbell
in my head kind of at the same.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And honestly, Vrabel was probably the one to do it
prior to that.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Not to the same level of uh yeah, championship game though.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, well you know they were the heck you know
they were when they lost to the to the Bengals.
Were they were they a number one seed that that year?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I thought that that right.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, But but you know, just the just the fact
of I think Campbell made it cool. I don't think
that we were looking at it with when Vrabel was
doing it. Plus you just had Derrick Henry and you're like, oh,
they're giving them ball to Derrick Henry and having him
run up and down, the up, down the field.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Sow nine and seven second in the AFC South lost
to the Chiefs in the AFC title game. Following year
go eleven and five when the division lose to the
Ravens in the wildcard game, and then twenty twenty one,
twelve and five lost to the Bengals in the divisional game,
and then final two years were seven and ten and
(14:17):
six and eleven.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, and then that shows like after a little while,
it kind of wears out. People aren't listening anymore. But
as players loved them. We saw the videos of him sure,
you know, waiting in the tunnel for his team to
walk off the field. So I think all of that works.
And plus honestly, he was out smarting Belichick rule you
going to bring up yeah, yeah, yeah. So so there's
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there's a lot there. There's a lot that's appealing, and
I think people would want him to come in and
just end up changing that that atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Yeah, we keep using that term culture, and certainly I'm
not looking for that from a Bobby Slowick. Yeah, no,
who had a good run last year and this year
he had more on that roster in it. Yes, there
were some injuries, but yeah, it took a decided step back,
even though the division's stunk in.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Their offensive line stunk. No, they were bad, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
They were terrible. But you know, much like with Caleb Williams,
like you know, I want to do the shot chart
of how much of that is him hanging on to
the ball a beat too long waiting for someone to
get open.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm coming off of a season where my team, you know,
had a first year head coach and won ten games,
and I have no idea what to expect next year.
I don't know if we're to go eight to nine.
I don't know if they're going to go twelve and five.
I have no idea. I don't know what the future
of any of it is. And honestly, like you call
it a success, but you're like, all right, what do
we what do we have here with the offensive coordinator?
(15:44):
Change in reality, if you're like a coaching if Mike
to your point and just getting back to the point
you made about ten minutes ago, if you're looking for offense,
you have to take care of your quarterback. And there
is probably no better or example than Dave can Alice
in what he did with Bryce Young over this last stretch.
(16:06):
Absolutely and how important it is. So like if you're
gonna go down that route, I don't know if Liam Cohen,
you know, is the guy from Tampa that is that
is a hot name, that could be that guy. But
quarterback coach, you know, as can Allis was coming in
taking you know, Gino Smith to what he did and
then going to Tampa and helping Baker Mayfield and not
(16:27):
doing this as a head coach with Bryce Young, I
mean maybe that's maybe that should be the trendy path
that people are trying to follow instead of just interviewing
all these defensive guys.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah, it's just the curiosity whenever you see these giant
lists start to flow. Frankly, I was surprised, you know,
Las Vegas either hasn't made a decision as we tape
this late on Monday night in the Tuesday morning, that
the Raiders hadn't made a decision, And the whole McCarthy
and Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Thing is just laughable.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah right, I mean because because he did the couple
of years ago. I actually found a tweet of mine
when Jason Garrett was gonna be a lame like he
was going into a free agency period, same thing either,
you know, and I put up the office space meme
of fixing the glitch.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Sure.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, he's just not on payroll anymore. We didn't really
fire him. We just let it. We just let it
come to its end.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Man, Cowboys, they do business.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Jerry was really good on land Man, though. I say
that little monologue was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I've seen that. I haven't seen the show yet, but
I've seen all the I've seen all of the the
the clips of it. Yeah, maybe an Emmy is in
his future.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Do you believe it for any second that he didn't
know the contract status of his quarterback and the bonus?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
No?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Okay, good I don't believe.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
So, because otherwise it really is more damning than anything.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah that we've seen, right, Maybe maybe maybe we're giving
him too much credit, but I think that.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I really had no idea. Really, Wow, that's Malfeasan's on
a whole other level.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Well, the Buccaneers are like, hey, Saints, let Mike Evans
get eight yards, you know, then we'll do this and
run this out.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Boy, that got people so mad.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, how about that for a second, Like guys hitting
the incentives at how much anger there was? I mean,
Jeno Smith made six million dollars, I know, six million.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I know, yep, the touchdowns, the completion percentage, win number ten, Yes,
if only there was win number eleven. Yeah, frustrated Seahawks man.
All right, sorry, buddy, that's all right. Let's take a
time out. We're gonna preview wild Card weekend. We'll do
a little car wash with the six games and uh yeah,
that'll be the second half of this episode. If I
want your flex, that's coming up next. He's Mike Karmen,
(18:48):
I'm Dan Byer it is I want your flex. Ian Roddy,
our executive producer, hanging out as well. A two week
post regular season into the playoffs. Two episode week of
I Want Your Flights. We appreciate you guys hanging out
with us. There will be no Friday morning episode. We
only do that during the regular season to get your
lineups ready with for your fantasy teams. The point that
(19:14):
I'm trying to make is we're going to be doing
one episode per week after this week. Just so much
going on with the coaching carousel the end of the
season starting into the postseason, we decided to do two
episodes this week, but from here on out through the
Super Bowl, we'll be doing one episode a week. But
michae let's stop right into it. Playoff games six of them,
and all starts with Chargers and Texans on Saturday afternoon
(19:38):
in Houston. It's like tradition. Houston always gets that first
game out of the gates when they win the AFC
South and get to host it. But that's what we
got to start off wild Card weekend.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Chargers two and a half point favorite forty two and
a half the total as we sit here and record this,
so you can get in fro under a hundred bucks
if you want.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And it's also the SpongeBob game. Oh yeah, guess what
I'll be watching.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I know you'll be watching SpongeBob.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Anytime I can get the voices of SpongeBob and the
animation in sign me McCole.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Hardman's touchdown last year was incredible in the Super Bowl.
SpongeBob screaming touchdown.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Nicely done.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
And what we'll be curious is what kind of role
does Ezekiel Elliott play?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Right?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
How about that for a Monday Night, We'll drop a
nugget in there. After getting released by the Cowboys, he
finds his way.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
To the Chargers.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
It feels like there's just a lot of weight on
the Chargers side of things, right, that that bandwagon has
really filled up for this particularly for this game to
Barry Houston.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well, I think deservedly so. Honestly, I know that there
was a dip that the Chargers had this season, but
they didn't have a running game without JK. Dobbins and
not that Ezekiel Elliott is going to provide the boost.
But once Dobbin come Dobbins came back, felt like it
was more legit of a team and that Broncos win
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that they had that they needed to have against Denver.
I think kind of got the sour taste out of
people's mouth from what they had to deal with the
last couple of weeks. I don't know if the Chargers
will go on a deep run. I think they'll beat
the Texans mic, and if they do, I think it
could be pretty interesting if they face the Chiefs in
the division round. If the Seeds end up holding like
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they do. No guarantee that that could happen, but I
don't find many ways where I think Houston wins this game.
I do think that the Chargers just defensively are better
and they'll be able to make more plays. They're similar,
almost similar teams except for CJ. Stroud as a guy
like Nico Collins with him, But I just think that
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the Chargers are a better team.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Herbert with McConkey certainly has been a great connection through
the year. Curious to see Quinton Johnston the way he's
played thirteen catches in the last game. Drops have been
the identity through his first two seasons, but he's had
some big moments, some big games here for the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
They're gaining more confidence in him. And then you.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Mentioned the run game, but certainly on the other side,
Chargers being the best defense in all of football, giving
up just seventeen point seven per game, and that pass
rush against that beleaguered offensive line.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
I think they make it tough for Stroud.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah. Yeah, the Chargers offensive line is better. He kind
of threw some shade at the Texans line in the
last segment.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
All about Alton Rashaun Slater, who said about this?
Speaker 1 (22:33):
How about this? The Texans went ten and seven, scored
three hundred and seventy two points this year, allowed three
hundred and seventy two points this year. They're differential was zero.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
How about that boom.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
Man the Nightcap Steelers Cravens. I really don't like this rivalry.
It's just kind of boring to me. I hated it
when it was in its heyday. It kind of got
fresh to me again and now it's the third time
seeing it, and I just I don't see a way
for Pittsburgh. They've they've Mike I believed in them for
(23:06):
a while. I was calling for Mike Tomlin Coach of
the Year, but the way they played down the stretch
against good opponents just wasn't there. And I don't see
it happening on center.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
This one where they if they really get buried, that
we can finally have an honest conversation about.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
What the Steelers had been. Sure you and I have
had that.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
I'm talking nationally because folks, you know, the staunch defenders
of Hey, we're always in it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
It's like, are you really in it?
Speaker 1 (23:33):
And I think I was a sucker for that they
were in it. I think I felt that their defense
was better than what it was and that the offense
didn't have to do as much. So you could get
shot plays, you could hit George Pickens, you could do
those sort of things. Russell Wilson could make a throw
here or there. Wouldn't have to do it for four quarters.
We'd just have to do it for four or five plays.
(23:53):
But it sure seems like they needed a little bit more.
And yeah, it's just it's it's been a tough goal,
both on the offensive and defensive sides. And then there
seems to even be some infighting.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Well that's the bigger thing, right Offensively, I mean, we're
looking at a number of games in a row thirteen
point scored, seventeen points scored, ten points seventeen go back
a lot in the teams to where the defense has
had to carry the day, we got the moon ball
from Wilson to a bit some really bad decision making
down the stretch, as we alluded to in the last episode.
(24:28):
But you know, the George Pickens thing is just fascinating
to me, just where he's at mentally and physically. You know,
just checked out quite often and disappeared. And as much
as I love Pat Fryermuth, there's only so much you
can do with him Stretching the field. Najee Harris, Jalen
Warren will give you some opportunities now and again, but
(24:49):
you're not seeing enough from Austin and these other guys
to think you're really going to be able to play in.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
The score that you're gonna need to.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
With Baltimore, I don't think they're a ten point favorite
in this one.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
For those that missed that, George Pickens had six targets
in their season finale on Saturday, one catch for zero yards,
multiple passes going through his hands, just not bringing it in.
It was ugly against Cincinnati, all right. So that's the
Saturday slate. Sunday starts with Denver and Buffalo. I actually
think Buffalo could get a run for their money. I
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think that Denver is going to bring it defensively. We
know they will. I think they can score against Buffalo.
Buffalo may ultimately win and make me look like a
fool and win by three touchdowns. But if I had
to pick any team that I think can hang in
Week one that is a lower seed, outside of picking
the Chargers to win, I think Denver actually has it,
(25:43):
has a shot to compete against Buffalo.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Eight and a half the line, forty seven and a
half the total bo Nicks in that offense making some
things happen. Courtland Sutton special. You're looking at the way
Knicks can make plays with his legs too, much like
his counterpart Allan does. And I think that's where we
get into it, right when we look at Denver, what
were they the third or fourth best scoring defense in
(26:08):
the game. Advance, Joseph. This is where we get into
those debates of you know, getting another shot. Do you
take a defensive coach in this day and age where
everybody wants the offensive wizard and all of that, But
who do you really fear in that Buffalo receiving corps?
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Nobody? No one, right, nobody?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
So Josh Allen making plays with his leg sure and
improvisational there'll be a guy that makes a play. But
in terms of hey, we have to design a defense
to take someone away. Just don't let Josh Allen get
off on thirty yard sprints right, and James Cook will
do some damage out of the backfield as a runner
and receiver.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But yeah, eight and a half the total. I'll certainly
take the points. Would not be surprised if Peyton and
Joseph have a script whereby they can go in and
steal this game.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, Buffalo, I end up winning in the end, but
I think Denver puts up a fight the Fox Marquee
Window game, if you will, Packers and Eagles smack dab
As we start the NFC slate of things, Jalen hurts
a concussion protocol is a question Jordan Love and his scenario.
We mentioned Christian Watson earlier. I think the Eagles are
(27:21):
the better team, and I think that the Eagles win
this game. MIC. But it's funny because it was our
second game of the year. In Brazil, they play and
the Eagles and Packers put on a high scoring affair,
And there was probably from about weeks three through about
week thirteen that I felt if Green Bay played Philadelphia again,
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that Green Bay would win that game, and from then
on I don't think that way anymore. I think Philadelphia
beats him again. Philadelphia is just better than they were
at the start of the year, and I'm not sure
Green Bay is better than they are at than the
start of the year.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And I asked this legitimately, because we're still very early
in this week. Is it possible we see Malik Willis
against Kenny Pickett? Sure, I mean legitimately, I mean we're
I mean we're three weeks into Jalen Hurt's concussion protocol.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Has Tanner McKee not proven enough.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
To I'm all for the Tanner McKee. I did watch
the trading card market go insane with people bidding up Tanner.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
McKee cards after each he flashed.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
But all that to say that it doesn't just become
Barkley versus Josh Jacobs and the kicking games at play
here in the midst of blizzards and whatever the hell
else is going on weatherwise on the East Coast.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I thought this was going to be the Sunday night game,
and then I think actually Fox got first DIBs on
the game that they wanted.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Look at those markets yeah, no, sure, Yeah, all right,
Eagles four point favorites forty five and a half.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Give me Barkley and the kicker.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
Well, I mean just talent, I guess talent. All Like,
even if Hurts doesn't play, you still have to defend
brown Smith Goddard's back and Barkley out of the back.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Yeah, I'll take that contingency.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I'm good with that. Sunday Night is Commanders at Buccaneers.
That's coming up next. I know this could be a
fun game, but this is just a game that I'm
not locked into. I don't know why. I think it's
because I don't believe in the Commanders, and the Commanders
are fun for everybody else unless your team was like
(29:38):
competing kind of indirectly for a wild card. You know.
I had my eye as a Seahawks fan on them.
It was like, come on, can you can you lose
at least at some point? They're they're fun for for
everyone that's not tied to the NFC East or in
the playoff wise, but I I don't know how much
I'd be dying to drive home and be like, Okay,
(29:58):
I got to be there for the command or Buccaneers
Sunday night game. But it should at least be fun,
It should be entertaining and can provide some fireworks on
Sunday night.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Bucks three point favorites. This is the highest total of
the weekend. Fifty and a half is you're over under
and look at what Baker Mayfield has been. You know,
we got wrapped up in the Mike Evans Quest for
a thousand and everything. But McMillan's been fantastic, Bucky Irving
one of the great stories from a fantasy perspective, and
(30:27):
certainly overall Washington, Jaden Daniels and company. I just don't
do I just say I don't trust Cliff Kingsbury in
a big spot.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I don't trust their defense either. Yeah, I don't. I'm
with you there, Yeah, I gosh, it sounds like the Bucketeer.
I feel I feel a little like my money going
into Tampa Bay. I'm like, I don't know, but I
guess it probably ultimately side with them.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
I do know that I'll be having many convert stations
about this towards the end of the week with my dad,
so I'm really gonna have to bone up on how
the individual it's this enlightening hockey.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Kah Man, all right, let's let's wrap it up. I
do want to recap with that convo Vikings Rams Monday
Night football to wrap up the wild card weekend.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Vikings on a letdown after a massive end of season game.
Now they do get the the extra day and it's
a Monday night game, the Rams coming off or resting everybody.
I just fear that the letdown for Donald and that
offense off of that red zone inefficiency, because everybody's good.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I mean, you've got both of you. I'm sure have
gone back through.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And seen the Wow, that was open?
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That was open? How did he miss that? Read? What
is it? And it's all accelerated. Obviously Glenn did a
good job.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Of speeding up everything in Donald's head to where he
may have seen ghosts again old reference, but just wondering
if that kind of physicality, that kind of violence doesn't
have carryover effect into this game.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
When I've counted them out, they've proved me wrong. I
do think that Sean McVay is onto something, and I
feel like he feels that if he puts his best
team out there that they will have a chance to
win fully healthy. I'm gonna go with Minnesota on this one,
gonna I'm gonna buy into it. I know it's a
funky week you're on the road, but I'm gonna take
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Minnesota and believe in those fourteen wins and not just
what we saw on Sunday night.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, I also have to push in on Sam Donald
because otherwise the conversation that I'll have to have with
Smith on Monday night will not be one I want
to have on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, as a man who's still scarred from Sam Donald,
whether he wants to admit it or not, from those
days as it Yet you want to comment on, no, thanks,
just leave it in the past.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Do you root for Sam Donold?
Speaker 6 (33:05):
I actually do.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
Yeah, I do, And I think I'm probably rooting for
the Vikings in this game, But I don't know. Like
O'Connell used to work under McVeigh, he was his offensive coordinator.
I wonder if McVeigh is gonna be ready for a
few things he has to throw at him.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
But at the end of the day, I.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Think I'm with you, Dan, I think I think I
have the Vikings just because both offenses you expect to
be great. And then I'll definitely take the Vikings defense
over the Rams.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
So because that was the thing this last week, I
mean against the Lions, the Vikings move the ball, they
just got greedy in the red zone afield.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
They just couldn't finish it in the end in the
red zone.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Kick a field goal. It's okay, take the three.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Your defense plays well, and then if Van Ginkle again
doesn't drop the ball, maybe we have a tie game
and it plays out differently in those final seventeen minutes
or whatever the hell that would have been. But all
of that to say, I mean, fourteen and three is
fourteen and three.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, eighteen of forty one is tough to cover up.
I think that was the final line for this. This
is true on Sunday night. But still, yeah, to your point,
you make a couple of plays here, a couple of
plays there, and Donald too, a couple of throws Jefferson
in the end zone and whatnot could have could have
been a different story. When you get in that avalanche
in Detroit and it just starts coming, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
That snowballed quickly and Jamior Gibbs suddenly was running free
without a lot of real contact on him, yes, right,
and bouncing off of guys where and running through guys
who at some point it seemed like they'd had their
spirit knocked out of them as well.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Well, what a way to end on to seventy two
with that. And now we've got the playoff, the playoffs
that actually think are underrated because we don't even look
at them. We always say, oh, Stanley Cup playoffs are
the best baseball in October, NBA playoffs, it's we don't
care about the regular season, but the NFL playoffs quick,
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great games, great matchups, and then ultimately leading up to
Super Bowl, which I think overshadows everything but should be fun.
The fun the next two two and a half weeks
or so in diving into all of this as we
we get closer and closer to the end.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
But think about it, we get wild Card weekend, we
get the total of six games, and then we get
the two nights before, we get a couple of college games.
I think we're doing okay. Yes, one of the finest
weekends the year.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
It's almost like, I don't know, we should be back
on holiday holiday.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
You get Orange Bowl. I think we're going to get
the Cotton Bowl on Friday. Weather in Texas. Could this
is true, some havoc with that. Playoffs on Saturday, playoffs
on Sunday, playoffs on Monday. And don't forget Mike the TGL, Yes,
Tiger Woods making Let's go, Yes, the new televised Golf League.
(35:49):
I'm actually looking forward to that, but that will be
for another day.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
We always love when our stars and superstars are still
out there and playing. And like I always say, at
fifty one, I need these guys to keep participating.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Yes, him and Rogers needs.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
To sign somewhere, whether he's back with the Jets or
somewhere else. I need these guys to extend these careers.
Lebron Cyborg or whatever the hell you're doing, play another
five to seven years like you threatened to last week.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
All of these things make me feel young.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Ian just coming off of his birthday twenty five. My
birthday will be coming up next week, so we don't
have to mention the number for that. So anyway, all right, Ian,
got anything before we wrap this up?
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Just excited for some playoff football. I've missed it and
this is the It's nice to not have to worry
about the Jets anymore.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
You know, I missed it.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
Yeah, I'm free I don't have to worry about the
Jets every Sunday.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Now.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
It's just straight up good football from here on out.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Well, at least you guys have a top ten pick
to do with a mock draft. Like all my mock
drafts are eighteen, and it's just like, all right, there's
no fun in that because you have no idea at
least at seven or ten. When you're doing mock draft,
she's like, Okay, this realistic chance this guy could be here.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Sure, Yeah, you get down to.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Eighteen, it's just kind of like a crap. Shoot, all right,
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (37:11):
You know, I'm big into the draft, Dan, and it's
like this, this is the year though, to where like
if there was any year to where it just doesn't
really matter how high you're picking, it's probably this year
because the yeah, there aren't the quarterbacks. The consensus top player,
Travis Hunter is you know, kind of a tweeterer. We
don't really know what he's going to be playing. It's
you know, it's all up in the air.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Well, I saw Matt Miller tweet. He says that the
twenty twenty seven draft could be the greatest draft that
he's ever seen, and that the twenty twenty six draft
of players is going to be really good. Not as
good as twenty twenty seven, but also not as good
as twenty twenty three. Here at twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Did Matt just tell us not to read any of
his stuff for the.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
Next two years? Basically, twenty twenty seven is going to
be just wait for it.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Once we get into that, the draft, the nitty gritty
for that, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
I know it's it's like comical, but like it really,
there were the true freshmen in college football this year.
Speaker 6 (38:07):
We're on another level. It's gonna be insane in a
couple of years.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
But well you could start searching. Hey in good news, Ian,
your Jets will probably be picking high in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
It's a safe bet. It's a safe bet.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
All right, Let's get back to those petitions like Orlando
Pace and all those guys. Let's go to the pros
early baby.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
By the way, Walter Football, I believe, yeah raft is
it draft countdown dot Com?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
I yeah, Draft countdown dot count Sure.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
They're twenty seven mock draft has Julian Sayan, the quarterback
at Ohio State, to transfer from Alabama last year. He
goes one to the Panthers. Wow, And Jeremiah Smith wide
receiver Ohio State goes two to the Commanders. Yeah, that's
they've had. Listen. Good news, Ian, your Jets take a
quarterback and DJ Lagway at number ten. Beast, Mike, you
(38:58):
get Colin Simmons rusher out of Texas.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
Oh great at.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Number nine, and good news for me. The Seahawks don't
make the playoffs as they pick sixteen, and everybody always
mocks a tight end to them. Caleb Odom is their
tight end. That would be that's in this twenty twenty
seven mock draft right now. That is on Shane Hallum.
Let's give them credit if you're doing this work. Shane,
congratulations on the work at draftcountdown dot com.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Because if I go buy that jersey now, I have
it for three years before the gets to the podium.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Uh. Dylan Reyola sixth to the Giants, saying there it
is all right. Let's yeah, we'll wrap up with that.
We'll be back with a review of the wild card weekend,
and then I'll look ahead to the divisional preview and
again our episodes will drop down to one time a
week starting next week. So for Mike Carbon and Ian Roddy,
I'm Dan Byer. We'll talk to you next time. Right
(39:49):
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