August 17, 2022 • 50 mins
Multitalented artist Lucia Vives climbs aboard The Mothership to meet your commanders in Space and explore what it means to be a musician, the power of eyebrow game, being queer in an all-girls school, and the love/hate relationship with our hometown.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I gave me the same Let's go to the mission
one aready ready for wondering at the same tack, this
(00:29):
is saying who produced this? Yeah? Baby, oh man, welcome
to in our own world. Guys. I'm so happy to
have you back. I'm like, who produced this? Ely? Was
that you dead us? Yea? Okay? Wow? I was like,
you took me on. I was like, yeah, I was
(00:51):
in a movie for a minute. I didn't expect you
to go that hard on. Like the title of sequence, well,
what a perfect way to start this episode because you
notice the music. All right, we have met today. I'm
so happy to meet you. Wow. I'm gonna turn my
hand with us, but introduce yourself. Who are you? What's
your name? Hi? Um? Okay, so my name is Lucia
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vys go miss h Lucy vives for for for I
guess shorter um, and here we are a man, it
was really crazy to meet you in person. Here. We've
been internet friends for a while. Um, just so wild
internet friends through You're a bomb ass bitch just in general.
You waited to tell me that, Um, you've been here
(01:37):
like an hour and a half. That's crazy. Saved it
for um. That was the birthday present. Actually got it? No,
but yeah, Internet friends, that's um, this is this is
how how we met. I think, Um, it's been a
long time coming, dude, you and me, honestly, Hell yeah,
(01:59):
So let's address the elephant in the room without addressing it,
because that's what we want to do. Both of our
parents have worked together. They are moguls in the Latin
music world. And you know what, in my space I'm saying, Guerrico,
I'm proud of them. How incredible. I'm sure you get
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it because you sing, you sing beautifully. I appreciate it
with such a mixed genre because I heard some of
your tunes and you have a lot of inspiration from
different varieties. And before we get into that, all right,
so we're here. We're here, We're queer. We're here, We're queer.
All right. So this is what I want to say
about today. We have, like you said, we have spoken online.
(02:44):
We have you know, in vibed each other online. We've
learned about each other. However, meeting somebody in person, it's
a beautiful to see and it is a beautiful thing. Yeah,
and even Jem was saying, you know, you need to
connect two more people that truly understand you know, not
only what you're going through, but the music. When you
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love music for the love of music, there's something in
there like you're an artist. When you're an artist, you
know what I mean? Oh, yes, it's true what I'm
really said. I do tell her all the time of like,
there's a way I can't relate to you. And it's
because I didn't grow up with my parents of the
music industry. And I also didn't grow up to follow
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a career that my parents pursued. Neither of my parents
are artists. My grandma, on the other hand, videos, Oh
my god, she's like a bleeding artist, writes poetry. You'd
love her. I already do. I gotta I love Grandma's.
I gotta think I sent a very long time with
(03:51):
my grandmother. Um. Yes, yes, raised by my grandmother and
my grandmother's my godmother, lived some of the craziest years
in my teen age. Um with my grandmother. Jem can
relate to that. Yeah, yeah, you got to be shout
out to my Aila robe or to get really wow, dude,
to deal with me at sixteen, seventeen eighteen, Well that's
(04:13):
how you see, well really yeah, because I was always
that bitch. I don't know if it's the Capricorn in
my chart or the Aquarius in my chart, that always
just I needed to go against the current. So like
growing up kids calling their grandparents like super not unique things,
I thought it was like almost disrespectful, like how much
(04:35):
do you give a shit about your You chose the
most basic like no offense, Alloa, that's fine. Yes, I'd
rather you call her by her government name. She did
not go wow inspired anyway I might take back by endorsement. No,
(05:00):
but I really do think that it's It's true. There's
a way that I feel like you can only relate
to with people like Lucy, And there's an understanding that
you guys, you guys spoken, this is okay, we should
we should get drinks later. Is that it? No, listen,
Lucy in the sky. That's why we're here, baby, I'm
(05:22):
happy to be here honestly for like a ship to
the reasons, Um, you guys are too badass queer women.
You guys are too badass Latin queer women. You guys
are too badass Latin queer women in Miami, So let's
go there. So we, like we mentioned earlier, you know,
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we come from musical families and we do our own things.
So I want to hear about your experience coming into
your musicianship, your artistry. I love your music. I think
that you're mixing a lot of genres. You're doing kind
of like dance everything I've heard of yours. I really
appreciate this because, honestly, I feel like I have not
(06:04):
released any music loving this already. I'm loving this already.
I I'm like, gas me up because no, at the
end of the day, yeah, I mean it's still on point.
I mean I don't want to be consistent very much
with my genre. I don't feel like I need to be.
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I think when it comes to like you said, men
like sucking. This journey of finding your voice in okay,
and we can get into finding your voice for a
whole bunch of ways, but finding your sound, finding your
vocal sound, finding your musical sound, and where you want
to go there is such a fucking journey. It's almost
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like blasphemy if I don't create while I'm in that journey,
you know what I mean. Like, if I'm sitting here
and I'm exploring all of these genres, do I wait
until I find out that I'm in love with latos
and like child. No, but I like that's not really
like me on some ship. We honor the melodies and
(07:08):
the music of before. However, you can still understand that
we are exploring new music. You can have de face
and snappy snares and you know, do something super cool.
You know. Yeah, No, refusing I mean infusing anything. If
you want to go old and new, whether it's old
and electronic, old and pop, I mean, acoustic, folkloric, um
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and and whatever you want to fuse it with bosa
mixed with no say trap. I mean, I don't know
anything these days. Is that is the cool thing? Um?
It kind of takes you to that whole point where
it's like basically artists consistently recycling of just whatever, and
(07:53):
we we imitate and take from each other and our influences,
and you know, it's like the deal. Jemmy cook, pata pata,
Don't you gotta come over. I'm telling you, you really
(08:16):
gotta come over. Let's go just till be what your
favorite thing to eat? And I'll make that. That's tough
because Lebanese food is like a very specifically what I
say the other day, what say. Yes, I said, I
want to make ag Now I have to have a
reason you please, I please. I mean, it can't be
(08:38):
it's got so based, so like at the end of
the day it could be even and then inside we'd
probably have a beyond beef or something doesn't have to
be beyond. No, it could be with mushroom anyway, Okay,
I'll do that. Moving on, Yeah, no, food will take
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me there, um me music, Right, we were talking about before, before,
before times, and yeah, that's just kind of where I'm at.
You know. I feel like I approached all of my
art in a very similar way, um, which can be
a little bit messy, but at the end of the day,
when it comes to like what it feels like for me,
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it makes sense. And I guess that's what the funk matters,
you know. Um with photography, when we got into modeling
and creating images as like just you know, a way
of of doing that and and that's where our friends
on Instagram came from, and that kind of whole era
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of my life just creating images out of honestly fucking
rejection from the modeling industry and the fashion industry for
being a couple inches too short, I'm five five Okay,
so I'm five too. I'm not going to go under
that whole industry ship that but no, no, because but
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were you in love with music first or with modeling first?
So I was in love with art first before anything.
And when when people ask me that question, it's what's weird?
But my dad raised me on this concept that when
you're and this, this could be controversial or whatever you ask. Yeah,
I'm getting serri eyed over here when people um talk
(10:31):
about artistry, you know, um, I think it's very different
than how my dad raised me on artistry, which is,
you know, three six C meaning if you do music,
you also do theater, you also do acting, you also paint,
you also draw, you also right, you breathe art and
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everything that you do. So when I was growing up,
I didn't really see all those lines were fucking blurred
for me. The music video or the music or the
painting in the music video, or the actors or the
dancers in there, all of them were doing the same
ship to me, which was creating an experience, telling a
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story and dragging you the funk in there in the
best way possible, you know, and making you feel something,
which is dope. And that's that's when art really took
me to a place. The first time art makes you
feel something, the first time art makes you fucking want
to get out and jump or make you cry and
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want to fucking really feel some things that you look
at where less I'm going to tell you is the
first time that I knew art was something next level
for me, My grandmother, nanny's all, or everybody anybody in
the house that's late at night watching in where there
was once or twice where I would get caught up
on that ship. If you sat there early in this story,
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the flat line would catch you. And next thing you know,
next day you were like, yeah, like let me know
at what time and be like sit down, you know.
And a week goes by and you're in it, bro.
And then the last couple of episodes go down and
I remember, I don't remember what fucking telenos. I should
have done this research before coming here because it would
(12:23):
have been important, or she was in the bitch, and
I cried my eyes out. I cried watching something for
the first time in my life. I was maybe like,
what five six or whatever, but this piece broke me. Dude,
this scene these two women were like, I don't know,
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arguing on some ship and it took me out, bro,
Like the acting was remembered right on, Like I felt
things I hadn't felt before yet, you know what I mean.
And that capacity for art to like take cute to
a place you've never been, trying to support you or
make you feel somebody's life that you've never lived, y'all.
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Never forget one time my dad he went through that
same moment where he was like obsessed with the then
alas and my mom had gotten him an iPad and
he can't even raise or lower the volume on his
old school remote control, but he figured out somehow and
how to get the iPad and yeah, this is Emilia. Yes,
And he had left the room. We were in New
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York and he had left the room for like maybe
three or four hours. Were like, where did he go?
And he came out of the room and his underwear
holding his iPad and he literally complainy goes and I'm
like poppy, he goes. I was like, I'm like, dam
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you know it's somebody wrote it. Somebody wrote it. Baby.
He's listening in your mind somewhere right now, somebody is
thinking something and it's not good, do you know what
I mean? Somebody wrote it, baby. I always wonder about authors,
like I think of Margaret Atwood, the one person who
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wrote handmads, Like what the fund did you go through?
Because that's something heart is right, like art of our stories,
like what did you go through? What did you How
do you think she went? I don't know. Episodes debating
this and like do we bring maybe she was just
like on one you know what I mean, Like when
you think about dystopian like creatives, you know, like you
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you sprinkle a little bit of us and and I
don't mean to get political so early in our chat,
but we're not that far from what the funk she
wrote in there, and I'm sure in her time in
somewhere another we ran that far from not either. You
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know that's so wild crazy under his eye, under my eye. No, no,
it's not a joke. But you're right, not a joke.
You can't think it's seriously like you know, it's Josh,
it's life art in a taste life, Yes, right, that's
the vibe. So pay attention out there. If you're absorbing art,
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you're absorbing life. You are And that's where I went
when your dad was like someone wrote this was exactly
like someone someone felt some type of type of way
and they wanted you to you know, tap into that
in some kind of sense. So for me, it's all
one man. Music is to film is too is to
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dance is too dolo, and I feel like not to
slide into when you single that actually just came out
and you can listen to it in all the streaming platforms.
Um No, it's hens has Na na was thank you
so much. It is sensual. It is a sensual song.
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Um it is a it's a sad song, it's a
it's a little hopeful year and there. But the process
of it, I um, I kind of dove into it
in that same way, you know, as more of a
creative director than anything else. You know, I'm like, we're
making a piece here, you know. I thought about the
music video at the same time as I thought about
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the song while it was happening. You know, not on
some synesthesia ship, but like on some when I hear something,
I see something, you know you can and for that
when it was super clear to me that it was
dance immediately, not because this simbo gives you this this
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gene sequa that I knew only dancers could pull off
and like take you there. You know, I didn't see actors.
I didn't see people on the street. I didn't see
like moments of scenes or lovers or whatever. I saw
fucking dancers and just bringing that vision to life for
me personally, seeing it become what I wanted it to
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be was just like what it's about in my in
my eyes, Like you said from before, being an artist
is not well, it depends because there are artists who
can do you know one thing extraordinarily yes, And that's
when I think titles are dope because I can't sit
here and consider myself a vocalist. What yes, yes, exactly
(17:40):
what let's talking about it? How would you call yourself?
So I would just say I'm an artist, yeah, I
would just feel and I'm chilling with that. I can't
call myself a violinist. I can't when I play the violin, Okay,
I can't call myself a pianist. I play the piano.
I can't call myself a bass That's like, of course
you play piano, what you do though? But I don't.
(18:02):
She really does. She actually is one of those playing
the piano you guys. You guys, but you're just one
of those people who like, where is the piano? Where
are you going after that? I have a guitar right
here with Lucy. Yeah. I feel the same way that
you feel about my artistry, thank you. That way about cooking,
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I feel that way about writing. I feel that way
about even setting a stage or something like dressing somebody.
I feel like there's expression in art everywhere. Emily's of
the other kind of artistic talent where it's hyper focused
into like one genre. Well, actually that's not true. Actually
take that back, because I've seen you act. You're pretty
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fucking bomb at it too. I just mean that she's
like one of those people that because, like I've seen,
you're trying to be straight, you're really bad at trying
to be Yeah, we're getting into this. So what I'm
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gonna say to really try to really you know, tie
this up, is that I personally feel so good and
so much better about all of the assets of my
art when I just in my soul consider myself an
artist that can sing, that can fucking play the bass,
that can play the piano, you know, those bigger titles,
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and I think I skew away from them, we can
go into the psychoanalysis of what you know someone asking me,
you know, hey, you know you're a singer and this
is a thing, and I want to feel uncomfortable when
someone looks at me and they're like, hey, you're a
singer and I'm like, WHOA easy now? UM, I don't
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feel like I can stand behind that, and it's a
it's a me on my night, go into it? Why not?
Why not? Um? Because I love I love music and
I know what a singer is. You know that. Okay?
What do they in your eyes have that you don't music? What? What? Literally?
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You're putting you on the spot like we're having looked here,
I'm we're spoking online. You know, we're getting to annoy
each other. But you're saying when all these singers that
I love they have something that I don't, what is it?
Tell me what it is? Music? What is it? What
are you talking about? Using about music? Release? Music released? Yes,
music released? You have what? Like like, leave this interview
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right now and go listen to my discography. That doesn't
make you a singer. I mean I disagree with you.
I'm sorry, no, but I understand what portfolio. I think
public as public, as public figures. I think all I'm saying, man,
is we have to be careful with the titles. You know,
I mean as a as a public figure. I'm I
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don't feel right now complet singer as a public figure,
you know, a Mikasa. I'm the best singer in my
sucking house. You know, I'm the best singer. I'm the
only singer on my black But yeah, when it comes
to being really a public figure, you're right because this
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isn't about your You honestly, kudos to you because you
just took me around. I almost disagree with myself, but
I'm actually just going to reframe to the fact that
this only applies to the fact that, like how I'm
how I'm labeling myself publicly, you know, to the to
the to the eye. Guys. The reason why I say
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that is because I am the most critical person of myself.
Jim can tell you, and she is the same way
about herself. She sings, I hear her voice, I hear
her her potential. I tell her you're a singer, and
She'll tell me, oh my god, I love the way
you sing, and I'm like, oh my god, But okay,
there you go case in point, I'm here expressing the
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same thing you just did, and she's saying, oh, but
you sing the same way I did to you. But
at some point you have to ask yourself how much
of it is it being critical, which I love, and
how much of it is it a security? Okay, how
can you tell how I hear my own voice because
I trust my own musical judgment, But do you trust mine? Not?
If you don't think you're a singer, you don't consider yourself.
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What I'm realizing is that none of us, all of
us are insecure musicians. That's what I realized. Yes, yes,
that's exactly the point. That's exactly the when you're doing
your thing and look like I'm a sucking singer. You're right,
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I feel, you know, like have you heard a singer? Yeah? Dude,
like have you? And it's it also is like me
versus future me, who I know very well and I
love love future me. Futimmy, she's a singer, brock, she's
that sing bro Wasn't she always a singer? Yeah? So
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you're yeah, no, for sure, for sure, No, no, but
you know what I mean. And in general, it's um
not taking away from the space that I'm in, which
is learning, and I'm always going to be learning. I
don't think I'm ever gonna I really hope I never
lose the humility to admit that, no matter where we
are in her trajectory, we're fucking students and we're learning
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and we always have more to learn. Cold Trane, baby,
only you stopped learning your dead you did so, hass
um yeah no, So future me is also like the standard.
You know, I'm starting to sing, I'm starting to learn
my voice. This is the drama, this is it, this
is yeah, yes, this is the beginning, and it's really
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it's exciting, you know, And I like to honor those
moments of the journey. What's the first time you say
um to fine, the first time I feel like I'm
talking to myself. I'll tell you the first time that
I felt actually comfortable singing, and I actually, I would
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say I sang. I was maybe seventeen, I was in
high school. I was living in Puerto Rico. I only
had the balls to do it because I was in
a town where nobody knew me. Okay, dead as all right.
I grew up in Miami, probably like the two of you, Um,
bitches were mean, bro, and all of them were my
best friends, Like my biggest billies were all my best
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bitches still to this day, shout out. I went to Carrollton. Wow, right,
represent your fingers. She's sporting a Carrollton ring. Um I am,
I am. No. It's a cult almost. It's like, okay, no,
I won't say that, Carrolton love you. It's as a
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rority almost. You know, it's a it's a sisterhood, it's
a it's a trippy place. It taught me a lot.
I was home away from home in a lot of ways.
It was on some like Madeline Ships who like that
school is a trip? I split there. You just wanted
all the girls. What year did you graduate high school? Um?
(25:48):
Two years before I graduated. I moved to Puerto Rico
to live with We would have never met. Now you
were going to slide in right at the end in
high school? Damn kill nice and nice move for the
college jobs. Um. But the point is all girls school.
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The bullying was high high key, high key, and the
fear of being anything other than just look above her,
below the radar. Honestly, it was real and it was legit.
You know it honestly was. It was a jungle in there.
It was a jungle. There's a lot of pressure in schools.
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I feel like people don't realize, especially at all girls school. Yeah,
those bitches are intense. But I loved every single one
of them. It was crazy. It like taught me how
to be super toxic. I guess, did I shave my
legs half and half? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah what you felt
like it? When I felt like it? Now, I'm not
gonna lie. I started shaving. I started shaving when I
(26:54):
was like thirteen fourteen, went out like the straight days,
like when I was straight about the gay days. Um,
not a lot of shaving in my early gay days. Okay,
wait wait wait sorry wow, So okay, let's see. Here's
the range, right, here's the gay range. This is us now,
(27:15):
this is this is when wee baby gay still shaved right,
because there was still all of these heteroe normal in
your baby gay relationship then like elder gay right, maybe
well into my twenties gay right, that's when shaving was
(27:38):
just like what the yeah not almost almost never, And
then eventually I realized it was something I'd like to
do every once in a while, Like that's something I appreciate,
like I prefer it. See you. No, I'm ladin my
hair growth is intense. Look at these fucking eyebrows. This
is real, bro. Look at the collection of eyebrows. I know,
(28:00):
sucking room. All right, Hi, welcome to my own brows.
This is actually limited edition of brows. Okay, um, so yeah, dude,
I gotta you know, for for esthetics. I I got
my I got my ship that that you know got
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talking about keep up shaving for some reason. I don't
know how we got there. So, um, I was in denial.
I was in denial. There was tea because everybody there
I thought I was gay. Right, people, more people know
you're gay before you know you're gay. That's usually the case,
um right, right, that happens. It just happens. Um. So,
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like you end up with like not like but that
arrow where you're like, fuck no, dude, like I would
never be a lesbian, Like how the like are you kidding? Never?
Oh yeah, me, neither just kidding. Yeah, oh my god,
oh my god, so funny. Okay, we can get into
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that later. But but the point is just as sad um,
which is that you know, you do go through that
era where you're like, no, no, no, no, no, I
went through that. I am. I'm almost homophobic. Homophobia is real. Yes,
I went through that for sure. I could not say
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that lela word. I was like me a lesbian gross
meanwhile taking my tongue down every girl, Good god, I
was kissing a lot of girls when I was in Carrollton,
but not Carrollton girls. Obviously I was kissing this. We
can get into my first hate crime moment. Oh god.
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And everything to do with the words girls in a
soccer game. Yeah, yeah, So the word got around, the
word I was. I was the talk of the town man.
I always was getting like my I was all and
not in like a good way, like the mom's fucking
hated me always put a good wayne or like oh yeah,
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I looked like trouble. I was a trouble, Like I
hung out with public school girls, like whatever the funk
that means better? Yes, dude, Like I'm sorry, Like I
want to meet people. I would like to have friend
taste that just you know, don't need to be sucking
the dick of anyone that can afford private school, you know,
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and even meeting the amount of adult bitches in public school.
I could afford private school. I just preferred public school.
Get that around your head, the thing, um so nah,
can't the bitches at Carrolton really the mothers were some
of the mothers were very, very very not keen to
my presence or my existence. And the older I got,
(30:59):
the more shernatic as I was getting into obviously, so
ship out worse. I went from being just the slut
of the town, yes, to be like that, Oh no,
it's okay. I love I love it. I love right
from like it's I have a tattoo actually looking in
the back of myok it's um, it's actually in a
place I can shake. But then I was also a dike.
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I was the sluttiest bitch that was apparently stucking dick
all the time. Like, no, not not all the time. Sometimes,
but then I'm like, I'm the dyke of the town.
I'm like, you guys need to get your ship together.
So soon you realize you know that people and that's
(31:45):
okay because someone had to someone had to take that out.
Isn't it such a shame, isn't it? Isn't it such
a shame that full grown adults when there are fourteen thirteen,
fifteen year old kids that are figuring out their sexuality, learning, etcetera.
Are making judgments and implementing their own thing. Not that
(32:07):
I'm saying that that was anybody around us. I'm just
saying what I experienced was when you're a kid like
we like we spoke about earlier, They're saying, how do
you not have this figured out? Are you gay or not?
You're like, excuse me, I just came out of a
human being years ago. I'm still trying to figure out
how to breathe the air on this planet. By the way,
Where is the planet, by the way, floating in a
(32:27):
black rock in the middle of nowhere? Hi? Hello? Like, yes,
you know, so school is hard and that's so funny.
People say, and and the school is hard right, like
because not about the subjects, not about the teachers, because
of the kids, the scolding, the learning who you are? Like,
I remember the first name I was called was queer.
(32:49):
Oh you're queer, You're queer, You're queer. I had no
idea what that meant. I was like, what the hell
does queer mean? I have no idea, but I know
it's an insult. Yeah, yeah, I know. Dike was heavy.
Dike I was heavy, but like Dike was like I
didn't get that one because I was in a relationship
with them, with with the football guy from Blen like
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like when people apparently it was a way that I walked.
There was something in the way that I walked. Okay,
So that's so crazy to me because like for me,
for example, even though I've been with men, like I
literally have been a quote unquote dock per bird on
that ship Emily Emily duck. Wow that you see, that's
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God right there, thank you, Okay, But like I've been
fluid right since day one, So you're not alone? What no,
Like I am, Yes, Like I love women in a
way that I can't love anything else, and I can
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appreciate and love that. I don't feel repulsed by men. Okay.
I can feel attracted to a man for sure. I
just that a woman just makes me. Never points out
he's hot. I've never seen you say that. Yeah, Like okay,
like you see, like give you an example, like the
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lead singer of the Arctic Monkeys. That was a good show.
He's fine, they put on a great show. But also
like he's a little feminine, so you know it makes sense.
So there's that a lot of the men have dated
are very feminine. So there's that. I haven't dated a
man since high school, since like I was fifteen. I
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had to break up with him because I was making
out with my best friend all the time. Yes, and
that's what he knew at first. They know, right, and
then it's cool because they're like, oh, that's kind of
hot you're making out with your best friend. But then
they secretly don't know that you're falling in love with
your best friend. Just you have like as friendships as
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a as a kid, because that's the sign, right, I
feel like it is. I feel like that it is. Yeah,
I had a couple. I had a couple of those.
Um yeah, just yes to that, and that that's a
that's a real one for me. I've fallen in to
that one. But weirdly enough, right, some of those best
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friends that you go back to like eventually in your life,
you know, you think about the one you have the
most intense best friendship with, you know, is she a lesbian?
I asked myself this all the time, and I go further,
I'm like, she's not out there one of us is?
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There's okay, Like I can think of one person specifically
that I wonder this all the time. She's not gay,
but there's no way that she couldn't sense what I
now realized, right, Like I think back on that period
of my life and that moment I interpreted as like, oh, friends,
we love each other, But can I be honest, that
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was gay. That person may not be gay today, but
I really really feel that they will be gay tomorrow.
Tomorrow when I call you, you are capable of falling
in love with your friends, right, Yeah, you don't feel
that I do, But I think it's different. Know. What
I'm saying is that if you don't know your sexuality
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off the bat, and you lead with your emotion, right,
you can be afraid by your own sexuality. So if
you have a connection with a woman but you haven't
had that sexual experience, right, then you may not know
what to do with that except shame. And that's what
I feel like as a manifestation of that situation, like, Oh,
it feels right, but I feel like it's wrong, like
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we were talking about earlier, and that's what I feel like.
That is I feel like that person, whoever it is,
is completely capable of enjoying, you know, having sex with
somebody of the same sex, or falling in love with
somebody or having a connection, because also sex doesn't necessarily
mean falling in love, you know, Like I also don't
like that, you know, I don't like when people are
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talking about sex, like if it's something that you've got
to be ashamed of. Like we are living a human experience.
Animals every day, all day are having sex, and the
healthiest thing we can do is talk about it. But
for real, Yes, you know, one of my more controversial
things that I have said on the internet, I got
me into some fun trouble. But I will say it,
(37:35):
and I will say it again, and I will repeat
it anything that I get. And it's teach your fucking
girls about masturbation. Teach them, Teach all girls about masturbation.
Teach all of your people's, your non binary babies, your
whatever you blessing when you brought into this world. Teach
it about masturbation and pleasure. Because eventually it might get
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to a point where it won't tell the difference between
that and you know, non consensual SA sex that you
don't want to be having, like that doesn't please you.
Rough I don't want to get into that are you homophobic, jump,
I hate. I am loving this moment. I haven't. I
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haven't been in Miami this frequently in a very very
long time. Maybe it's been ten years. It's been a
decade since I've I've come to Miami this often. It
was like not a falling out that I had with
the city. But once I like moved, I just didn't
really have business here. You know, Latin immigrant Ish family,
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we have nobody in this country. So once we left
the country, Yeah, there was the extent of us. Do
you feel American or do you feel Latina? So I
feel Latina above all things, bato be Living in the States.
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A couple of years ago, I finally got like my
first class citizenship, which was my Louisiana residency. As a
Puerto Rican resident, we have limited we have limited rights
for stuff. The democracy is it's not it's not one
hondo for um for residents is ah in fucking I
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mean not just the US Virgin Islands, but anybody that
isn't in the fifties States, you know. So when I
finally got my residency in Louisiana, ship changed for me.
Because I was a voter. I how to say, maybe, yeah,
maybe it depends depends who you ask, um, but I
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damn dude, activism took a big role in my life.
Nice segue. So I guess what being American is in
some way, and it's for me, it's the ability I'll
get the funk together and um and dialogue and maybe
do something about it if we come together about it.
And that's cool. And it's not American uniquely. I think
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it's something that more nations have. Then we realize, Um,
what is an American? I don't think it exists. Like
the Americans are a constantly a soup of everybody that
has come and discovered this land that has made it
what it was. Like it's just a joke to me.
But let's not go there. We still all the land anyway,
(40:34):
we're on. We are on stolen Mann. I wish we
took just in case you didn't know, we could learn
a thing or two from real Americans. Yes, we fucking can.
We can, um, indigenous communities all over the world, honestly, yes,
(41:00):
m And that kind of brings me to like Miami's culture,
like and as I mean, okay, because it's Latin, it's
very Latin here. That's that's not even a question. This
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is this A lot of people don't even speak English.
This has in a lot of ways what I would
love to see a little bit more of in a
place like New Orleans. And I think I could see
a little bit more of in a place like New Orleans.
But what about Miami for you guys? Feels I guess
the most at home? Like what makes you feel at
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home about? Actually, yeah, that I should have asked that first.
You feel at home in Miami? Yes, my home? I
mean it's where I was formed, were my where were
the gemody the human came to be? So like I've
been four to buy Miami in every way, you know,
like you who've left Miami, right, all of us have
(42:05):
actually grown up a baby and left at some point.
You beat people from other places and you're like, oh,
babies different, Like there's something about there. We're really tough.
Oh it's super when you leave Miami to another to
another state, this is not another country, just another Honestly,
(42:27):
a fucking kissing me. Thisame kissing me. It's not making
me feel very very same, it's not really. I moved
to New York and I was like real friends, not
just people who are like you. Know, take up my
time to entertain themselves. But I have a love hate
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relationship with Miami for the same reason. And it's the people.
The people. Um. I love that I can walk into
a bakery and you know the first thing that's but
he says, oh, you know that greeding. But just like
comes from the heart, does it matter who you are?
I love that, you know, I could get all these
different ethnic foods all over the city and before byself.
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That food in Miami is bomb. You can find harmony,
it's really but not this month and next month it's
like twenty three lunch with loads that want rice and noodles.
(43:38):
Right now, finally a reason to go to sexy fish. Wait,
they have a sexy fish here? Yeah? What Okay, just
screwed over that one. No, Like I've seen a lot
of sexy fish in the ocean. But like the restaurant,
things getting worse. Sorry. I love Miami for the same
(44:05):
reason that I hated. It's the people. Okay. For me,
it's the civil engineering the very poor for that. Bro,
I don't know, but six are always under construction. What's
happening with the diagonal? What is that? A part of
(44:27):
me thinks it's ingenious, though. I wish that in New
York had that what because sometimes I have to get
to that corner that's diagonal to me and I have
to do some dumb ship across a lot longer than
I am here. Yes, I'm here now because I'm trying
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to make music here. I found a couple of producers
here and so many beautiful people. Um and Miami's popping
for Latin. Yes, yes, yes, yes, New Orleans again. Another
reason why that it would be dope there is because
sometimes you need a fucking flamenco guitar player or a
male vocalist. I can sing in Spanish. Look what yeah?
(45:14):
And here it is, you know. So Miami's turned into
a spot for me recently. It's interesting. I don't hate it.
I'm rebuilding my relationship with the city's cool. I feel
like Miami is just such a missed opportunity, And honestly,
I'm just going to track trash talket, not trash talket
trash talket because it's not like I think that Miami
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is incredible and unbelievable. I think that it's so rich
with culture, so many people that speak English that are
friends of mine that come here to visit oftentimes can't
even communicate because so many people speak Spanish or other
languages that they can't even relate to. However, at the
same time, back in the day, one of the first
concerts I did with my band here was that Ball
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and Chain, which is the band Shell, where Chet Baker,
one of the most amazing jazz trumpeters and singers of
our time, was playing, not King Cole incredible, um, you know,
like one of the essence of jazz. And and by
the way, he was black, and they would make him
play for the largest whitest audience, and they would not
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allow him to walk through the front door. It would
make him front walk through the back. However, all this
was happening in Miami. Miami was a vibrating piece of
musical history. And I agree with you. We have incredible
Latin artists here, we have a vibrancy of music. However,
we have no venues. Um, we have no people. And
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if you do have a venue, they're filling up quickly.
They're not accessible. Miami should be one of the most
deliciously beautiful places to come listen to music. But I
have to disagree. It's not. It's just not Thank you
for And this is actually a conversation that I have
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a lot with people where they're like, what the funk
are you doing in New Orleans? You should be living
in Miami. And that's the answer. It's like, hello, it's
the answers. Okay, you want to go to lung ni Up.
I love lung ni Up. And the third day you
go there, there's nine thousand people there, and and how
you're gonna get a gig, and how you're gonna know.
We need versatility, We need to showcase the talent in
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the city. We need to showcase the fact that we are.
You hear French on one street and Spanish on one
street and English on the other, like portfolio and you know,
let's keep Lucy in Miami, Lucy in the sky in Miami.
Give me a reason to be here. By the way,
what do you think Lucy and this guy? I love
that I am. I haven't been. Um, that's like joke.
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I used to get a lot walking into my friend's houses. Nah,
you always used to get it from somebody's dad. It
was like, Lucy, I'm home, I'm not gonna lie. I
miss it. I miss it every day. I do you go?
Jem brought it back to because you're out of space.
I think you the anti gravity been treating you. I'm
a little dizzy. It's been a lot um but I
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think we've gone to a lot of really, really dupe places.
I'm excited. Thank you guys for bringing me with you.
I know, I know it's hard to get out here.
We're We're glad you finally made it. We've been waiting
for you to join us on the mothership and grace
us with your presence. Are we singing? Are we dancing? Oh? Yeah,
(48:28):
we could do both. Ss. Have you ever had pancakes?
Lookout maple syrup? That makes me really sad sometimes what
your food or if not, it's really really bad and
I'm scared sports scow by and by by you guys,
(48:57):
it's been too good. This has been We might have
to trash this one. Gosh it alright, guys, I actually
just lowered our landing gear, so please drop back in
your seatbelts. Thank you so much. Thanks for joining us,
Thank you guys for having me. You two are wonderful.
I love it here. You're beautiful. You're welcome anytime, listeners.
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Thank you stick around. These two are epic. Thanks for
flying with us. We'll see you next time on in
our own world. This has been Jem and Lucy. What
are you doing? Give us your Instagram, give us your music.
You can follow me on Lucy Vivas on i G.
You can follow me on Lucy Vives on TikTok. You
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I gave me the same Let's go to the mission
one aready ready for wondering at the same tack, this
(00:29):
is saying who produced this? Yeah? Baby, oh man, welcome
to in our own world. Guys. I'm so happy to
have you back. I'm like, who produced this? Ely? Was
that you dead us? Yea? Okay? Wow? I was like,
you took me on. I was like, yeah, I was
(00:51):
in a movie for a minute. I didn't expect you
to go that hard on. Like the title of sequence, well,
what a perfect way to start this episode because you
notice the music. All right, we have met today. I'm
so happy to meet you. Wow. I'm gonna turn my
hand with us, but introduce yourself. Who are you? What's
your name? Hi? Um? Okay, so my name is Lucia
(01:15):
vys go miss h Lucy vives for for for I
guess shorter um, and here we are a man, it
was really crazy to meet you in person. Here. We've
been internet friends for a while. Um, just so wild
internet friends through You're a bomb ass bitch just in general.
You waited to tell me that, Um, you've been here
(01:37):
like an hour and a half. That's crazy. Saved it
for um. That was the birthday present. Actually got it? No,
but yeah, Internet friends, that's um, this is this is
how how we met. I think, Um, it's been a
long time coming, dude, you and me, honestly, Hell yeah,
(01:59):
So let's address the elephant in the room without addressing it,
because that's what we want to do. Both of our
parents have worked together. They are moguls in the Latin
music world. And you know what, in my space I'm saying, Guerrico,
I'm proud of them. How incredible. I'm sure you get
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it because you sing, you sing beautifully. I appreciate it
with such a mixed genre because I heard some of
your tunes and you have a lot of inspiration from
different varieties. And before we get into that, all right,
so we're here. We're here, We're queer. We're here, We're queer.
All right. So this is what I want to say
about today. We have, like you said, we have spoken online.
(02:44):
We have you know, in vibed each other online. We've
learned about each other. However, meeting somebody in person, it's
a beautiful to see and it is a beautiful thing. Yeah,
and even Jem was saying, you know, you need to
connect two more people that truly understand you know, not
only what you're going through, but the music. When you
(03:07):
love music for the love of music, there's something in
there like you're an artist. When you're an artist, you
know what I mean? Oh, yes, it's true what I'm
really said. I do tell her all the time of like,
there's a way I can't relate to you. And it's
because I didn't grow up with my parents of the
music industry. And I also didn't grow up to follow
(03:29):
a career that my parents pursued. Neither of my parents
are artists. My grandma, on the other hand, videos, Oh
my god, she's like a bleeding artist, writes poetry. You'd
love her. I already do. I gotta I love Grandma's.
I gotta think I sent a very long time with
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my grandmother. Um. Yes, yes, raised by my grandmother and
my grandmother's my godmother, lived some of the craziest years
in my teen age. Um with my grandmother. Jem can
relate to that. Yeah, yeah, you got to be shout
out to my Aila robe or to get really wow, dude,
to deal with me at sixteen, seventeen eighteen, Well that's
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how you see, well really yeah, because I was always
that bitch. I don't know if it's the Capricorn in
my chart or the Aquarius in my chart, that always
just I needed to go against the current. So like
growing up kids calling their grandparents like super not unique things,
I thought it was like almost disrespectful, like how much
(04:35):
do you give a shit about your You chose the
most basic like no offense, Alloa, that's fine. Yes, I'd
rather you call her by her government name. She did
not go wow inspired anyway I might take back by endorsement. No,
(05:00):
but I really do think that it's It's true. There's
a way that I feel like you can only relate
to with people like Lucy, And there's an understanding that
you guys, you guys spoken, this is okay, we should
we should get drinks later. Is that it? No, listen,
Lucy in the sky. That's why we're here, baby, I'm
(05:22):
happy to be here honestly for like a ship to
the reasons, Um, you guys are too badass queer women.
You guys are too badass Latin queer women. You guys
are too badass Latin queer women in Miami, So let's
go there. So we, like we mentioned earlier, you know,
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we come from musical families and we do our own things.
So I want to hear about your experience coming into
your musicianship, your artistry. I love your music. I think
that you're mixing a lot of genres. You're doing kind
of like dance everything I've heard of yours. I really
appreciate this because, honestly, I feel like I have not
(06:04):
released any music loving this already. I'm loving this already.
I I'm like, gas me up because no, at the
end of the day, yeah, I mean it's still on point.
I mean I don't want to be consistent very much
with my genre. I don't feel like I need to be.
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I think when it comes to like you said, men
like sucking. This journey of finding your voice in okay,
and we can get into finding your voice for a
whole bunch of ways, but finding your sound, finding your
vocal sound, finding your musical sound, and where you want
to go there is such a fucking journey. It's almost
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like blasphemy if I don't create while I'm in that journey,
you know what I mean. Like, if I'm sitting here
and I'm exploring all of these genres, do I wait
until I find out that I'm in love with latos
and like child. No, but I like that's not really
like me on some ship. We honor the melodies and
(07:08):
the music of before. However, you can still understand that
we are exploring new music. You can have de face
and snappy snares and you know, do something super cool.
You know. Yeah, No, refusing I mean infusing anything. If
you want to go old and new, whether it's old
and electronic, old and pop, I mean, acoustic, folkloric, um
(07:33):
and and whatever you want to fuse it with bosa
mixed with no say trap. I mean, I don't know
anything these days. Is that is the cool thing? Um?
It kind of takes you to that whole point where
it's like basically artists consistently recycling of just whatever, and
(07:53):
we we imitate and take from each other and our influences,
and you know, it's like the deal. Jemmy cook, pata pata,
Don't you gotta come over. I'm telling you, you really
(08:16):
gotta come over. Let's go just till be what your
favorite thing to eat? And I'll make that. That's tough
because Lebanese food is like a very specifically what I
say the other day, what say. Yes, I said, I
want to make ag Now I have to have a
reason you please, I please. I mean, it can't be
(08:38):
it's got so based, so like at the end of
the day it could be even and then inside we'd
probably have a beyond beef or something doesn't have to
be beyond. No, it could be with mushroom anyway, Okay,
I'll do that. Moving on, Yeah, no, food will take
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me there, um me music, Right, we were talking about before, before,
before times, and yeah, that's just kind of where I'm at.
You know. I feel like I approached all of my
art in a very similar way, um, which can be
a little bit messy, but at the end of the day,
when it comes to like what it feels like for me,
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it makes sense. And I guess that's what the funk matters,
you know. Um with photography, when we got into modeling
and creating images as like just you know, a way
of of doing that and and that's where our friends
on Instagram came from, and that kind of whole era
(09:41):
of my life just creating images out of honestly fucking
rejection from the modeling industry and the fashion industry for
being a couple inches too short, I'm five five Okay,
so I'm five too. I'm not going to go under
that whole industry ship that but no, no, because but
(10:08):
were you in love with music first or with modeling first?
So I was in love with art first before anything.
And when when people ask me that question, it's what's weird?
But my dad raised me on this concept that when
you're and this, this could be controversial or whatever you ask. Yeah,
I'm getting serri eyed over here when people um talk
(10:31):
about artistry, you know, um, I think it's very different
than how my dad raised me on artistry, which is,
you know, three six C meaning if you do music,
you also do theater, you also do acting, you also paint,
you also draw, you also right, you breathe art and
(10:54):
everything that you do. So when I was growing up,
I didn't really see all those lines were fucking blurred
for me. The music video or the music or the
painting in the music video, or the actors or the
dancers in there, all of them were doing the same
ship to me, which was creating an experience, telling a
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story and dragging you the funk in there in the
best way possible, you know, and making you feel something,
which is dope. And that's that's when art really took
me to a place. The first time art makes you
feel something, the first time art makes you fucking want
to get out and jump or make you cry and
(11:37):
want to fucking really feel some things that you look
at where less I'm going to tell you is the
first time that I knew art was something next level
for me, My grandmother, nanny's all, or everybody anybody in
the house that's late at night watching in where there
was once or twice where I would get caught up
on that ship. If you sat there early in this story,
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the flat line would catch you. And next thing you know,
next day you were like, yeah, like let me know
at what time and be like sit down, you know.
And a week goes by and you're in it, bro.
And then the last couple of episodes go down and
I remember, I don't remember what fucking telenos. I should
have done this research before coming here because it would
(12:23):
have been important, or she was in the bitch, and
I cried my eyes out. I cried watching something for
the first time in my life. I was maybe like,
what five six or whatever, but this piece broke me. Dude,
this scene these two women were like, I don't know,
(12:43):
arguing on some ship and it took me out, bro,
Like the acting was remembered right on, Like I felt
things I hadn't felt before yet, you know what I mean.
And that capacity for art to like take cute to
a place you've never been, trying to support you or
make you feel somebody's life that you've never lived, y'all.
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Never forget one time my dad he went through that
same moment where he was like obsessed with the then
alas and my mom had gotten him an iPad and
he can't even raise or lower the volume on his
old school remote control, but he figured out somehow and
how to get the iPad and yeah, this is Emilia. Yes,
And he had left the room. We were in New
(13:28):
York and he had left the room for like maybe
three or four hours. Were like, where did he go?
And he came out of the room and his underwear
holding his iPad and he literally complainy goes and I'm
like poppy, he goes. I was like, I'm like, dam
(13:49):
you know it's somebody wrote it. Somebody wrote it. Baby.
He's listening in your mind somewhere right now, somebody is
thinking something and it's not good, do you know what
I mean? Somebody wrote it, baby. I always wonder about authors,
like I think of Margaret Atwood, the one person who
(14:10):
wrote handmads, Like what the fund did you go through?
Because that's something heart is right, like art of our stories,
like what did you go through? What did you How
do you think she went? I don't know. Episodes debating
this and like do we bring maybe she was just
like on one you know what I mean, Like when
you think about dystopian like creatives, you know, like you
(14:34):
you sprinkle a little bit of us and and I
don't mean to get political so early in our chat,
but we're not that far from what the funk she
wrote in there, and I'm sure in her time in
somewhere another we ran that far from not either. You
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know that's so wild crazy under his eye, under my eye. No, no,
it's not a joke. But you're right, not a joke.
You can't think it's seriously like you know, it's Josh,
it's life art in a taste life, Yes, right, that's
the vibe. So pay attention out there. If you're absorbing art,
(15:18):
you're absorbing life. You are And that's where I went
when your dad was like someone wrote this was exactly
like someone someone felt some type of type of way
and they wanted you to you know, tap into that
in some kind of sense. So for me, it's all
one man. Music is to film is too is to
(15:41):
dance is too dolo, and I feel like not to
slide into when you single that actually just came out
and you can listen to it in all the streaming platforms.
Um No, it's hens has Na na was thank you
so much. It is sensual. It is a sensual song.
(16:05):
Um it is a it's a sad song, it's a
it's a little hopeful year and there. But the process
of it, I um, I kind of dove into it
in that same way, you know, as more of a
creative director than anything else. You know, I'm like, we're
making a piece here, you know. I thought about the
music video at the same time as I thought about
(16:28):
the song while it was happening. You know, not on
some synesthesia ship, but like on some when I hear something,
I see something, you know you can and for that
when it was super clear to me that it was
dance immediately, not because this simbo gives you this this
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gene sequa that I knew only dancers could pull off
and like take you there. You know, I didn't see actors.
I didn't see people on the street. I didn't see
like moments of scenes or lovers or whatever. I saw
fucking dancers and just bringing that vision to life for
me personally, seeing it become what I wanted it to
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be was just like what it's about in my in
my eyes, Like you said from before, being an artist
is not well, it depends because there are artists who
can do you know one thing extraordinarily yes, And that's
when I think titles are dope because I can't sit
here and consider myself a vocalist. What yes, yes, exactly
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what let's talking about it? How would you call yourself?
So I would just say I'm an artist, yeah, I
would just feel and I'm chilling with that. I can't
call myself a violinist. I can't when I play the violin, Okay,
I can't call myself a pianist. I play the piano.
I can't call myself a bass That's like, of course
you play piano, what you do though? But I don't.
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She really does. She actually is one of those playing
the piano you guys. You guys, but you're just one
of those people who like, where is the piano? Where
are you going after that? I have a guitar right
here with Lucy. Yeah. I feel the same way that
you feel about my artistry, thank you. That way about cooking,
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I feel that way about writing. I feel that way
about even setting a stage or something like dressing somebody.
I feel like there's expression in art everywhere. Emily's of
the other kind of artistic talent where it's hyper focused
into like one genre. Well, actually that's not true. Actually
take that back, because I've seen you act. You're pretty
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fucking bomb at it too. I just mean that she's
like one of those people that because, like I've seen,
you're trying to be straight, you're really bad at trying
to be Yeah, we're getting into this. So what I'm
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gonna say to really try to really you know, tie
this up, is that I personally feel so good and
so much better about all of the assets of my
art when I just in my soul consider myself an
artist that can sing, that can fucking play the bass,
that can play the piano, you know, those bigger titles,
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and I think I skew away from them, we can
go into the psychoanalysis of what you know someone asking me,
you know, hey, you know you're a singer and this
is a thing, and I want to feel uncomfortable when
someone looks at me and they're like, hey, you're a
singer and I'm like, WHOA easy now? UM, I don't
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feel like I can stand behind that, and it's a
it's a me on my night, go into it? Why not?
Why not? Um? Because I love I love music and
I know what a singer is. You know that. Okay?
What do they in your eyes have that you don't music? What? What? Literally?
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You're putting you on the spot like we're having looked here,
I'm we're spoking online. You know, we're getting to annoy
each other. But you're saying when all these singers that
I love they have something that I don't, what is it?
Tell me what it is? Music? What is it? What
are you talking about? Using about music? Release? Music released? Yes,
music released? You have what? Like like, leave this interview
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right now and go listen to my discography. That doesn't
make you a singer. I mean I disagree with you.
I'm sorry, no, but I understand what portfolio. I think
public as public, as public figures. I think all I'm saying, man,
is we have to be careful with the titles. You know,
I mean as a as a public figure. I'm I
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don't feel right now complet singer as a public figure,
you know, a Mikasa. I'm the best singer in my
sucking house. You know, I'm the best singer. I'm the
only singer on my black But yeah, when it comes
to being really a public figure, you're right because this
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isn't about your You honestly, kudos to you because you
just took me around. I almost disagree with myself, but
I'm actually just going to reframe to the fact that
this only applies to the fact that, like how I'm
how I'm labeling myself publicly, you know, to the to
the to the eye. Guys. The reason why I say
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that is because I am the most critical person of myself.
Jim can tell you, and she is the same way
about herself. She sings, I hear her voice, I hear
her her potential. I tell her you're a singer, and
She'll tell me, oh my god, I love the way
you sing, and I'm like, oh my god, But okay,
there you go case in point, I'm here expressing the
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same thing you just did, and she's saying, oh, but
you sing the same way I did to you. But
at some point you have to ask yourself how much
of it is it being critical, which I love, and
how much of it is it a security? Okay, how
can you tell how I hear my own voice because
I trust my own musical judgment, But do you trust mine? Not?
If you don't think you're a singer, you don't consider yourself.
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What I'm realizing is that none of us, all of
us are insecure musicians. That's what I realized. Yes, yes,
that's exactly the point. That's exactly the when you're doing
your thing and look like I'm a sucking singer. You're right,
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I feel, you know, like have you heard a singer? Yeah? Dude,
like have you? And it's it also is like me
versus future me, who I know very well and I
love love future me. Futimmy, she's a singer, brock, she's
that sing bro Wasn't she always a singer? Yeah? So
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you're yeah, no, for sure, for sure, No, no, but
you know what I mean. And in general, it's um
not taking away from the space that I'm in, which
is learning, and I'm always going to be learning. I
don't think I'm ever gonna I really hope I never
lose the humility to admit that, no matter where we
are in her trajectory, we're fucking students and we're learning
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and we always have more to learn. Cold Trane, baby,
only you stopped learning your dead you did so, hass
um yeah no, So future me is also like the standard.
You know, I'm starting to sing, I'm starting to learn
my voice. This is the drama, this is it, this
is yeah, yes, this is the beginning, and it's really
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it's exciting, you know, And I like to honor those
moments of the journey. What's the first time you say
um to fine, the first time I feel like I'm
talking to myself. I'll tell you the first time that
I felt actually comfortable singing, and I actually, I would
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say I sang. I was maybe seventeen, I was in
high school. I was living in Puerto Rico. I only
had the balls to do it because I was in
a town where nobody knew me. Okay, dead as all right.
I grew up in Miami, probably like the two of you, Um,
bitches were mean, bro, and all of them were my
best friends, Like my biggest billies were all my best
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bitches still to this day, shout out. I went to Carrollton. Wow, right,
represent your fingers. She's sporting a Carrollton ring. Um I am,
I am. No. It's a cult almost. It's like, okay, no,
I won't say that, Carrolton love you. It's as a
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rority almost. You know, it's a it's a sisterhood, it's
a it's a trippy place. It taught me a lot.
I was home away from home in a lot of ways.
It was on some like Madeline Ships who like that
school is a trip? I split there. You just wanted
all the girls. What year did you graduate high school? Um?
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Two years before I graduated. I moved to Puerto Rico
to live with We would have never met. Now you
were going to slide in right at the end in
high school? Damn kill nice and nice move for the
college jobs. Um. But the point is all girls school.
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The bullying was high high key, high key, and the
fear of being anything other than just look above her,
below the radar. Honestly, it was real and it was legit.
You know it honestly was. It was a jungle in there.
It was a jungle. There's a lot of pressure in schools.
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I feel like people don't realize, especially at all girls school. Yeah,
those bitches are intense. But I loved every single one
of them. It was crazy. It like taught me how
to be super toxic. I guess, did I shave my
legs half and half? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah what you felt
like it? When I felt like it? Now, I'm not
gonna lie. I started shaving. I started shaving when I
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was like thirteen fourteen, went out like the straight days,
like when I was straight about the gay days. Um,
not a lot of shaving in my early gay days. Okay,
wait wait wait sorry wow, So okay, let's see. Here's
the range, right, here's the gay range. This is us now,
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this is this is when wee baby gay still shaved right,
because there was still all of these heteroe normal in
your baby gay relationship then like elder gay right, maybe
well into my twenties gay right, that's when shaving was
(27:38):
just like what the yeah not almost almost never, And
then eventually I realized it was something I'd like to
do every once in a while, Like that's something I appreciate,
like I prefer it. See you. No, I'm ladin my
hair growth is intense. Look at these fucking eyebrows. This
is real, bro. Look at the collection of eyebrows. I know,
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sucking room. All right, Hi, welcome to my own brows.
This is actually limited edition of brows. Okay, um, so yeah, dude,
I gotta you know, for for esthetics. I I got
my I got my ship that that you know got
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talking about keep up shaving for some reason. I don't
know how we got there. So, um, I was in denial.
I was in denial. There was tea because everybody there
I thought I was gay. Right, people, more people know
you're gay before you know you're gay. That's usually the case,
um right, right, that happens. It just happens. Um. So,
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like you end up with like not like but that
arrow where you're like, fuck no, dude, like I would
never be a lesbian, Like how the like are you kidding? Never?
Oh yeah, me, neither just kidding. Yeah, oh my god,
oh my god, so funny. Okay, we can get into
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that later. But but the point is just as sad um,
which is that you know, you do go through that
era where you're like, no, no, no, no, no, I
went through that. I am. I'm almost homophobic. Homophobia is real. Yes,
I went through that for sure. I could not say
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that lela word. I was like me a lesbian gross
meanwhile taking my tongue down every girl, Good god, I
was kissing a lot of girls when I was in Carrollton,
but not Carrollton girls. Obviously I was kissing this. We
can get into my first hate crime moment. Oh god.
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And everything to do with the words girls in a
soccer game. Yeah, yeah, So the word got around, the
word I was. I was the talk of the town man.
I always was getting like my I was all and
not in like a good way, like the mom's fucking
hated me always put a good wayne or like oh yeah,
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I looked like trouble. I was a trouble, Like I
hung out with public school girls, like whatever the funk
that means better? Yes, dude, Like I'm sorry, Like I
want to meet people. I would like to have friend
taste that just you know, don't need to be sucking
the dick of anyone that can afford private school, you know,
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and even meeting the amount of adult bitches in public school.
I could afford private school. I just preferred public school.
Get that around your head, the thing, um so nah,
can't the bitches at Carrolton really the mothers were some
of the mothers were very, very very not keen to
my presence or my existence. And the older I got,
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the more shernatic as I was getting into obviously, so
ship out worse. I went from being just the slut
of the town, yes, to be like that, Oh no,
it's okay. I love I love it. I love right
from like it's I have a tattoo actually looking in
the back of myok it's um, it's actually in a
place I can shake. But then I was also a dike.
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I was the sluttiest bitch that was apparently stucking dick
all the time. Like, no, not not all the time. Sometimes,
but then I'm like, I'm the dyke of the town.
I'm like, you guys need to get your ship together.
So soon you realize you know that people and that's
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okay because someone had to someone had to take that out.
Isn't it such a shame, isn't it? Isn't it such
a shame that full grown adults when there are fourteen thirteen,
fifteen year old kids that are figuring out their sexuality, learning, etcetera.
Are making judgments and implementing their own thing. Not that
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I'm saying that that was anybody around us. I'm just
saying what I experienced was when you're a kid like
we like we spoke about earlier, They're saying, how do
you not have this figured out? Are you gay or not?
You're like, excuse me, I just came out of a
human being years ago. I'm still trying to figure out
how to breathe the air on this planet. By the way,
Where is the planet, by the way, floating in a
(32:27):
black rock in the middle of nowhere? Hi? Hello? Like, yes,
you know, so school is hard and that's so funny.
People say, and and the school is hard right, like
because not about the subjects, not about the teachers, because
of the kids, the scolding, the learning who you are? Like,
I remember the first name I was called was queer.
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Oh you're queer, You're queer, You're queer. I had no
idea what that meant. I was like, what the hell
does queer mean? I have no idea, but I know
it's an insult. Yeah, yeah, I know. Dike was heavy.
Dike I was heavy, but like Dike was like I
didn't get that one because I was in a relationship
with them, with with the football guy from Blen like
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like when people apparently it was a way that I walked.
There was something in the way that I walked. Okay,
So that's so crazy to me because like for me,
for example, even though I've been with men, like I
literally have been a quote unquote dock per bird on
that ship Emily Emily duck. Wow that you see, that's
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God right there, thank you, Okay, But like I've been
fluid right since day one, So you're not alone? What no,
Like I am, Yes, Like I love women in a
way that I can't love anything else, and I can
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appreciate and love that. I don't feel repulsed by men. Okay.
I can feel attracted to a man for sure. I
just that a woman just makes me. Never points out
he's hot. I've never seen you say that. Yeah, Like okay,
like you see, like give you an example, like the
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lead singer of the Arctic Monkeys. That was a good show.
He's fine, they put on a great show. But also
like he's a little feminine, so you know it makes sense.
So there's that a lot of the men have dated
are very feminine. So there's that. I haven't dated a
man since high school, since like I was fifteen. I
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had to break up with him because I was making
out with my best friend all the time. Yes, and
that's what he knew at first. They know, right, and
then it's cool because they're like, oh, that's kind of
hot you're making out with your best friend. But then
they secretly don't know that you're falling in love with
your best friend. Just you have like as friendships as
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a as a kid, because that's the sign, right, I
feel like it is. I feel like that it is. Yeah,
I had a couple. I had a couple of those.
Um yeah, just yes to that, and that that's a
that's a real one for me. I've fallen in to
that one. But weirdly enough, right, some of those best
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friends that you go back to like eventually in your life,
you know, you think about the one you have the
most intense best friendship with, you know, is she a lesbian?
I asked myself this all the time, and I go further,
I'm like, she's not out there one of us is?
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There's okay, Like I can think of one person specifically
that I wonder this all the time. She's not gay,
but there's no way that she couldn't sense what I
now realized, right, Like I think back on that period
of my life and that moment I interpreted as like, oh, friends,
we love each other, But can I be honest, that
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was gay. That person may not be gay today, but
I really really feel that they will be gay tomorrow.
Tomorrow when I call you, you are capable of falling
in love with your friends, right, Yeah, you don't feel
that I do, But I think it's different. Know. What
I'm saying is that if you don't know your sexuality
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off the bat, and you lead with your emotion, right,
you can be afraid by your own sexuality. So if
you have a connection with a woman but you haven't
had that sexual experience, right, then you may not know
what to do with that except shame. And that's what
I feel like as a manifestation of that situation, like, Oh,
it feels right, but I feel like it's wrong, like
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we were talking about earlier, and that's what I feel like.
That is I feel like that person, whoever it is,
is completely capable of enjoying, you know, having sex with
somebody of the same sex, or falling in love with
somebody or having a connection, because also sex doesn't necessarily
mean falling in love, you know, Like I also don't
like that, you know, I don't like when people are
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talking about sex, like if it's something that you've got
to be ashamed of. Like we are living a human experience.
Animals every day, all day are having sex, and the
healthiest thing we can do is talk about it. But
for real, Yes, you know, one of my more controversial
things that I have said on the internet, I got
me into some fun trouble. But I will say it,
(37:35):
and I will say it again, and I will repeat
it anything that I get. And it's teach your fucking
girls about masturbation. Teach them, Teach all girls about masturbation.
Teach all of your people's, your non binary babies, your
whatever you blessing when you brought into this world. Teach
it about masturbation and pleasure. Because eventually it might get
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to a point where it won't tell the difference between
that and you know, non consensual SA sex that you
don't want to be having, like that doesn't please you.
Rough I don't want to get into that are you homophobic, jump,
I hate. I am loving this moment. I haven't. I
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haven't been in Miami this frequently in a very very
long time. Maybe it's been ten years. It's been a
decade since I've I've come to Miami this often. It
was like not a falling out that I had with
the city. But once I like moved, I just didn't
really have business here. You know, Latin immigrant Ish family,
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we have nobody in this country. So once we left
the country, Yeah, there was the extent of us. Do
you feel American or do you feel Latina? So I
feel Latina above all things, bato be Living in the States.
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A couple of years ago, I finally got like my
first class citizenship, which was my Louisiana residency. As a
Puerto Rican resident, we have limited we have limited rights
for stuff. The democracy is it's not it's not one
hondo for um for residents is ah in fucking I
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mean not just the US Virgin Islands, but anybody that
isn't in the fifties States, you know. So when I
finally got my residency in Louisiana, ship changed for me.
Because I was a voter. I how to say, maybe, yeah,
maybe it depends depends who you ask, um, but I
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damn dude, activism took a big role in my life.
Nice segue. So I guess what being American is in
some way, and it's for me, it's the ability I'll
get the funk together and um and dialogue and maybe
do something about it if we come together about it.
And that's cool. And it's not American uniquely. I think
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it's something that more nations have. Then we realize, Um,
what is an American? I don't think it exists. Like
the Americans are a constantly a soup of everybody that
has come and discovered this land that has made it
what it was. Like it's just a joke to me.
But let's not go there. We still all the land anyway,
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we're on. We are on stolen Mann. I wish we
took just in case you didn't know, we could learn
a thing or two from real Americans. Yes, we fucking can.
We can, um, indigenous communities all over the world, honestly, yes,
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m And that kind of brings me to like Miami's culture,
like and as I mean, okay, because it's Latin, it's
very Latin here. That's that's not even a question. This
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is this A lot of people don't even speak English.
This has in a lot of ways what I would
love to see a little bit more of in a
place like New Orleans. And I think I could see
a little bit more of in a place like New Orleans.
But what about Miami for you guys? Feels I guess
the most at home? Like what makes you feel at
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home about? Actually, yeah, that I should have asked that first.
You feel at home in Miami? Yes, my home? I
mean it's where I was formed, were my where were
the gemody the human came to be? So like I've
been four to buy Miami in every way, you know,
like you who've left Miami, right, all of us have
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actually grown up a baby and left at some point.
You beat people from other places and you're like, oh,
babies different, Like there's something about there. We're really tough.
Oh it's super when you leave Miami to another to
another state, this is not another country, just another Honestly,
(42:27):
a fucking kissing me. Thisame kissing me. It's not making
me feel very very same, it's not really. I moved
to New York and I was like real friends, not
just people who are like you. Know, take up my
time to entertain themselves. But I have a love hate
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relationship with Miami for the same reason. And it's the people.
The people. Um. I love that I can walk into
a bakery and you know the first thing that's but
he says, oh, you know that greeding. But just like
comes from the heart, does it matter who you are?
I love that, you know, I could get all these
different ethnic foods all over the city and before byself.
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That food in Miami is bomb. You can find harmony,
it's really but not this month and next month it's
like twenty three lunch with loads that want rice and noodles.
(43:38):
Right now, finally a reason to go to sexy fish. Wait,
they have a sexy fish here? Yeah? What Okay, just
screwed over that one. No, Like I've seen a lot
of sexy fish in the ocean. But like the restaurant,
things getting worse. Sorry. I love Miami for the same
(44:05):
reason that I hated. It's the people. Okay. For me,
it's the civil engineering the very poor for that. Bro,
I don't know, but six are always under construction. What's
happening with the diagonal? What is that? A part of
(44:27):
me thinks it's ingenious, though. I wish that in New
York had that what because sometimes I have to get
to that corner that's diagonal to me and I have
to do some dumb ship across a lot longer than
I am here. Yes, I'm here now because I'm trying
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to make music here. I found a couple of producers
here and so many beautiful people. Um and Miami's popping
for Latin. Yes, yes, yes, yes, New Orleans again. Another
reason why that it would be dope there is because
sometimes you need a fucking flamenco guitar player or a
male vocalist. I can sing in Spanish. Look what yeah?
(45:14):
And here it is, you know. So Miami's turned into
a spot for me recently. It's interesting. I don't hate it.
I'm rebuilding my relationship with the city's cool. I feel
like Miami is just such a missed opportunity, And honestly,
I'm just going to track trash talket, not trash talket
trash talket because it's not like I think that Miami
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is incredible and unbelievable. I think that it's so rich
with culture, so many people that speak English that are
friends of mine that come here to visit oftentimes can't
even communicate because so many people speak Spanish or other
languages that they can't even relate to. However, at the
same time, back in the day, one of the first
concerts I did with my band here was that Ball
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and Chain, which is the band Shell, where Chet Baker,
one of the most amazing jazz trumpeters and singers of
our time, was playing, not King Cole incredible, um, you know,
like one of the essence of jazz. And and by
the way, he was black, and they would make him
play for the largest whitest audience, and they would not
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allow him to walk through the front door. It would
make him front walk through the back. However, all this
was happening in Miami. Miami was a vibrating piece of
musical history. And I agree with you. We have incredible
Latin artists here, we have a vibrancy of music. However,
we have no venues. Um, we have no people. And
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if you do have a venue, they're filling up quickly.
They're not accessible. Miami should be one of the most
deliciously beautiful places to come listen to music. But I
have to disagree. It's not. It's just not Thank you
for And this is actually a conversation that I have
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a lot with people where they're like, what the funk
are you doing in New Orleans? You should be living
in Miami. And that's the answer. It's like, hello, it's
the answers. Okay, you want to go to lung ni Up.
I love lung ni Up. And the third day you
go there, there's nine thousand people there, and and how
you're gonna get a gig, and how you're gonna know.
We need versatility, We need to showcase the talent in
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the city. We need to showcase the fact that we are.
You hear French on one street and Spanish on one
street and English on the other, like portfolio and you know,
let's keep Lucy in Miami, Lucy in the sky in Miami.
Give me a reason to be here. By the way,
what do you think Lucy and this guy? I love
that I am. I haven't been. Um, that's like joke.
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I used to get a lot walking into my friend's houses. Nah,
you always used to get it from somebody's dad. It
was like, Lucy, I'm home, I'm not gonna lie. I
miss it. I miss it every day. I do you go?
Jem brought it back to because you're out of space.
I think you the anti gravity been treating you. I'm
a little dizzy. It's been a lot um but I
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think we've gone to a lot of really, really dupe places.
I'm excited. Thank you guys for bringing me with you.
I know, I know it's hard to get out here.
We're We're glad you finally made it. We've been waiting
for you to join us on the mothership and grace
us with your presence. Are we singing? Are we dancing? Oh? Yeah,
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we could do both. Ss. Have you ever had pancakes?
Lookout maple syrup? That makes me really sad sometimes what
your food or if not, it's really really bad and
I'm scared sports scow by and by by you guys,
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it's been too good. This has been We might have
to trash this one. Gosh it alright, guys, I actually
just lowered our landing gear, so please drop back in
your seatbelts. Thank you so much. Thanks for joining us,
Thank you guys for having me. You two are wonderful.
I love it here. You're beautiful. You're welcome anytime, listeners.
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Thank you stick around. These two are epic. Thanks for
flying with us. We'll see you next time on in
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