20. Cain's Corner of the Universe (with Cain Kerner)

Cain Kerner is a modern-day philosopher, musician, and a professional fruit-eater who educates the internet on emotional intelligence. His greatest occupation, however, is to inspire--and today is no exception. Cain shares a soul-stirring account of his journey to sobriety, breaks down his perception of the ego, speaks on mental health maintenance, tells the daddiest jokes to ever dad, and might be the first person recorded to flirt with an asteroid. In Cain's corner, everyone's welcome. Just be prepared to think. And laugh...(and maybe even cry). 

Featuring: Cain Kerner

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
I hate me the same. Let's go to man one
ready for launch.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Greetings, Earth Things, Welcome to another very important, very eventful,
very delicious, fruity flight today. I have to be honest,
I've said this a bunch of times. I've been following
people online over the years that I feel like truly
use the Internet for good, which is hard to do

(00:49):
these days. Amplifies his incredible artwork. I think you are
a new age philosopher. When I think of ways to
describe you, you know, it's somebody that I would be
proud to have my kids watch online, the good, the bad,
and the ugly. You give the real shit, You spit game,
you spit epic rhymes, and you eat fruit. So, ladies

(01:10):
and gentlemen, please welcome be amazing Kate Cunner to in
our world.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Thank you. WHOA, that's welcome. It feels good to be welcome.
That was a beautiful introduction.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well I feel that way. It's no secret we've been
following you for years. And for those of you that
don't know who you are, how would you describe yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:35):
How I would describe myself is through my preferred methods,
which would be conversation and my music and my videos.
But if I had to, you know, describe myself as
far as how I view myself or what I do,

(01:56):
I'm a dude from Philly who grew up admiring people
that had larger than life personalities and talents and skills
and dedication and gifts. I'm an artist at heart, if
I had to define myself. But I'm just a person,

(02:19):
you know, I'm just a person doing what they can
to share as much of their experience as they can
before they die. And my content I talk about mental health, maintenance,
and emotional literacy in a hopefully motivating way while eating fruit.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Epic.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, I suck it describing myself. That's why I'm going
to do it song by song and video by video
until the day I die. So yeah, I'm just I'm
just a person sharing their experience here, you know. That's it.
That's how I think. That's how I would describe myself.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Hell yeah, And it's no secret that online you share
the beautiful, triumphant parts and also the hard parts. And
was growing up in Philly hard? Did you have like
a difficult upbringing?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Man? A lot of people would tell me it was
difficult for my brother and I we just knew it
as what it was. You know. I try not to
talk too much about my family member's individual experiences, but

(03:30):
both of us had fathers that, for some other reasons
were unable to be around. You know, both of our fathers,
or my father and his father are felons, like you know,
repeat offenders. Uh so you know, the same old story
man single mother who works her ass off, doesn't come

(03:52):
home till late. We were getting food from the poppy
store or the fucking wah wah, which are like you know,
on a if you all know about that.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
We were left to our own devices a lot, just
like any other kids. We found our solace and inspiration
and entertainment and company in professional wrestling you know w
W now WWE a bunch of a bunch of music,
a bunch of movies and video games, and you know,

(04:27):
at a certain ages, just running around getting into shit
in the neighborhood. My brother and I started to have
a little bit of a split in terms of like
I had friends that were involved in some different, other,
different kind of shit than than he did per se,
So some would say it was kind of like rough

(04:47):
or weird, but we had every video game system. You know.
We moved around a lot. We moved around a lot,
but we managed to be able to stay in the
same schools. So was weird. It was tricky, is what
I It was tricky. I wouldn't say it was like
fucked up or hard, but damn was it tricky emotionally, mentally, physically, spiritually.

(05:13):
It was fucking tricky. But I'm proud of it.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Hell yeah, proud of it.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
You celebrated a big anniversary this year in February.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, February fifteenth, that's my sobriety.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Days, right, congratulations, thank you.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I'm going to be five years sober this upcoming February.
My biggest issue was drinking. You know, smoke a fuck
load of weed, you know, But yeah, no, it was
drinking was my big issue. I just wanted to like
fucking shut off and turn off escape the same with weed.

(05:50):
Like weed, I fucking I would just try and smoke
myself into a stupor. So it'd be like four to
five fucking backwoods a day. And that was since I
was like, what fifteen, so uh yeah. But the drinking,
I would do all I could I could to shut off,
but I would black out and still be talking with you,
still be driving. And I would, I would. I would

(06:13):
make it home every night. I would black out wherever.
Oh my god, there were some There was just so
many stories. I could you needed you here? Yeah, And
it was. It was February fourteenth and twenty nineteen, Valentine's
Day night. I'm in my car getting ready to drive home.
I was living with my aunt, my aunt Kim at

(06:34):
the time. Her husband had just odd my uncle, my
uncle Den. I'm sorry, and uh, yeah, you know, but
I was driving home there and I remember being like,
I'm in the car getting ready to drive home, and yeah,
I'm drunk, but I wasn't. I wasn't fucked up. Usually
like I would black out. I'd go like I would

(06:57):
black out while at whatever place I was drinking, and
then I just wake up home. My car be perfectly parallel, park, YadA, YadA,
no no issues. Yeah, but this night in particular, I
remember like a voice just being like, Yo, you're good tonight,
but try this shit tomorrow. Watch what happens. So you

(07:18):
know here, I am just every day making sure that
tomorrow isn't today.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
You hit your line, you just got fed ut I was.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Sick of my own shit. And I was scared because
I realized. I was like, I've been spared so many times.
No DUI never hurting anybody else, no accidents, nothing.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Which can happen even if you make one bad decision.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Oh yeah, and I was making multiple I was an
habitual line stepper when it comes to playing with the
forces it be. I it really clicked with me. I
was like, I've been spared so many times, and I
have been disrespecting the thing, the being, the force that
has been and sparing me, And it.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Does feel bigger than yourself totally.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
And I didn't know how I was going to do it,
but I was just like, all right, fuck it. I
can't get drunk anymore. I can't get high anymore. I
I gotta, I gotta. I have to stay here, and
I have to show gratitude to the thing, the force,
the being that has been sparing me straight up. Yeah.

(08:27):
And you know, I'm not a religious church going man,
but I've got more than enough proof in my life
that God really fucks with me.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, the same way, same same same. You can't you
can't make that stuff. You got to go to church
to talk to my God. Yeah, connect to my source.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Straight up, and that's just that was pretty much it. So, yeah,
thank you for bringing the sobriety up. I'm that's something
that I remember going public with that and talking about
it in my content. It's started to be something that
people would reach out to me about and be like, yo,
you you got me sober. You helped me. And I'm like,

(09:08):
I'm like every time I tell them the same thing,
but it always I mean it with the same amount
of sincerity. I'm like, no, I might have reminded you
of something or brought something to your attention, but you
got you sober, you know what I mean? Like, I
didn't do shit. You had to make the actual decision
and you have to make it every day. It's yeah,

(09:28):
I'm twenty eight, but like I've got I was really
good at being really bad at drinking. And I have
people ask me all the time, like, oh, what happens
if you relapse? What happens if you've done I'm like, well,
I die, That's what happens.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Straight up.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Like I've drilled it into my mind. If I were
to ever go back on my decision to be clean
and sober, if I were to do something that would
alter my state in an effort to like escape or
enjoy or whatever. I'm going to be punished. I'm going
to be met with the punishment I have a crued

(10:08):
and deserved and earned but have been spared of.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I feel like it's karmic in a way, totally.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I really truly believe that I have an agreement with God.
Straight up. It's like I'm going to get everything I
ever wanted.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
But it's like, so as long as you keep up
your end of the kit.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Keep doing this, and fucking don't do that, and do that.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
And it's so simple. And that was one of my
questions to you. That one thing that I feel like
this generation has trouble with is we have all these
limitations when it comes to controlling ourselves, like self control.
And I feel like the pandemic did a big number
on people, like it either made them want to hold
the mirror up even higher to themselves or completely ignore

(10:54):
their reflection and just get lost completely. And I feel
like a lot of people will like make lists sort
of saying like this is what you need to do,
you know, and I know what I need to do.
How did you actually do it? Like that next day?
What did it look like for you, and you also
don't have to answer it.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
No, I want to. I'm here to answer and talk
about everything. I'm not afraid of talking about shit. I
didn't sleep, I know I didn't sleep. At that point,
I was maybe a couple of weeks out of this

(11:32):
psychiatric facility that my uncle had taken me too, where
I was diagnosed with bipolar one. While I was there,
I was in a you know, a looney been the
last factory fucking and when I got when I was there,
like I remember my first week there, I was like,
holy fuck, I haven't been I haven't been sober for

(11:56):
a week straight in years since before high school. And like,
you know, I it was. I graduated high school twenty thirteen,
so this is twenty nineteen, right, But February fifteenth, twenty nineteen,
the day where I first was because the night that
I got out the fucking psychiatric ward, I went and
bought a bottle of espalone, and I went and bought

(12:18):
an auncel weed and I just got fucked up. I
got drunk as I could, high as I could, and
I was I was. I had a couple of little partners.
I'm gonna take my shoes off on.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Yeah, I get comfortable.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Like there was this John I was fucking with at
the time, and she like was freaking the hell out,
like on my phone. I thought. I was like, I
was gonna get out of there and get some masks.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
But things, but you thought wrong.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, she was lying. She was like lying about being
pregnant and shit.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
And I get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Bro It was anyway, So yeah, it was. I remember
February fifteenth. I was like, what the fuck am I
gonna do with myself? I'm just so used to getting
high and getting drunk.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Those were like your activities, your hobby.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, like that's what I did. That's what I would
fall back on to cope that and even like sex
or masturbation, like with porn, like just things that I
did to self soothe and take the edge off and
do and things that I would do to take my

(13:25):
mind off of things and kind of just numb me
out to the to the influx of feelings and just
sensation and stimulation and all this shit. I was like,
what the fuck am I going to do? So I
just immediately started thinking about things that I did as
a child. I was like, what did I do as

(13:45):
a kid before what I did was get fucked up.
And I was like, well, I grew up loving skateboarding.
I've been skateboarding since I was eight years old. I
was like, I love sewing and design and clothes. I
love painting, I love healthy habits. Yeah, I was like,
I love listening to to interviews and watching interviews, and

(14:10):
you know, I've always loved making music. Even when I
was fucked up, I was still making music, but I'm
so much better at making music sober. But one thing
really clicked to me, and I was like, well, since
I was a kid, I've always loved sitting outside and
eating fruit. Wow. And a couple of months went by,

(14:33):
I ended up getting a job at Amazon. I was like,
that was the last straight job I've had, and that
was a doozy. But I would go work at Amazon
and then I would fucking come home and I would
eat fruit and just talk about how I was feeling
that day. So to go back to like, what did

(14:55):
I do my first day sober? I went out to
the market, bought a fucking huge ass watermelon. I sat
in the backyard. I got some jeans from a thrift store.
I fucking was sewing patches on them and painting on them.
And I was eating a big ass watermelon in my
aunt's backyard. I was helping her get the house ready

(15:18):
to be sold. So like, I've got a background in
landscaping and shit like that too.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
So don't just ignore me, keep going.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I just.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
I just started to I just started to do shit
that Little Cane used to do. I was like, all right,
well I've been I realized that all the drinking and
drugging and whatever I was doing to keep all this
like fucking crazy shit out of my head was also

(15:49):
keeping away that inner child that I have within me,
and everything I do now is in honor of him.
Like little Caine runs the show. I uh, I'm I'm
doing all I can to dedicate the rest of my
life to to Little Kine because he's the one that

(16:11):
had the ideas and the the will power, the dedication,
and uh, he's the boss. So I just started immediately
thinking what did Little Caine like to do? And Lil
Caine likes being active, he likes fucking being creative, he
likes expressing himself, and he likes to be in his

(16:34):
own world.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Yeah. Wow, that's called marketing.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Motherfucker. You see you see, like, look, I'll start here
and then we come back around. That's what the media
training look at.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
That tears everybody.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
What's up, baby, what you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
But yeah, I've never related more to something that anybody
has said. I think in a really long time, like
I remember my childhood in such a beautiful way, bringing
out the best parts of myself, and I constantly feel
like I'm letting her down. And I remember something as
simple as spending hours kicking a ball against a wall

(17:21):
create like was it an entire universe for me? I
could imagine myself in a stadium on the moon, whatever,
and I would freaking believe myself. And I was creating
the movie that was my life, and it was beautiful.
And then at some point somebody started throwing shit in
the movie and I'm like, what the show supposed to range?

(17:41):
Guy started in this rom com?

Speaker 3 (17:43):
Motherfucker, it's uh. And And there's certain points in our
in our lives, especially like even parts of my childhood,
where I'm like, why did I retreat to that world
so heavily? And getting older and realizing that like certain
things that happened weren't okay or this is trauma, this

(18:06):
is abuse. Like you you start to realize, like, oh fuck,
I I was doing this as like a not only
a self soothing or like an empowering thing, but as
like a trauma response.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know, you see, isn't he a modern Don't you
love our job? I'm trying. I love it.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Thank you, beautiful story. I appreciate that. We just get started.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I know he made it all up.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, it is all lie. I'm from I'm from Omaha.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, I'm actually from Reserve.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I'm from Wichita County. Yeah, I'm a professional bowler.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Oh hell yeah an after water basket.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
We oh yeah, that'd be really bad ass.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
That's been my preferred occupations, something like five chef. Have
you noticed there are no bitches cooking up. It's all dudes,
like what.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Okay, wait we women?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I know, like what women's bitches?

Speaker 5 (19:24):
No?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
No, no, because I'm glad it was someone else not me.
It's terrible. I'm just saying, why ain't there bitches working
at Benihan.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Just like that, because.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
They're all going they're all getting taken the Benihanna. That's
what the fuck it is.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Okay, So you mentioned that on that first night or
first day, you bought a watermelon.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, yeah, big ass watermelon.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
And obviously fruits are a huge part of your online
identity and also your actual life. So am I correct
when I say that you're vegan?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah? Now, now I'm vegan since when a month ago?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh, look at that.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
For a month I have been vegan. No more animals
born into suffering and torture on my plate. I'll take
a human out before I take an animal.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, me too, Me too. I got that sentiment. Yeah,
we're gonna have to get them like a light alert
that plays that sound.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Oh my god, because I associate veganism now with my sobriety,
like I have to do it. I have to do
it for life. Now I've seen too much, I know
too much that same thing that I admire about humans,
we have that will to live, that that like that
thing in us that just makes us want to stay alive.

(20:46):
I've seen that in the eyes of suffering animals. And uh,
for how much I admire the human spirit. For me
to see that same thing exhibited in something that isn't human,
It's really change my perspective on just like living beings,
I'm like, I'm too aware now that we as a

(21:07):
people have been raised to view animals as things.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
I always tell people I'm also vegan.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
I always tell people who ask me, I'm like, once
you learn what I have learned, you'll never go back.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah. Now people talk about all this, like, oh, you
need meat products to be a big and strong gorilla.
You know what I'm saying. Case in point, I'm like, bro,
like it's.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Giraffe hard bark. Oh God, I just don't do it.
He wants the same one now.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Fucking but I'm just like, yo, like I don't I
know too much now, So I'm like, yeah, I just
have to do it. It would be the most fucking
contradictory ship in the world, the most critical shit. If
I were to continue eating meat and knowing what I
know and seeing what I have seen, it's I just

(22:07):
can't do it. I can't rock with that shit no more.
When you know better, you do better. So I'm doing better.
I love that I'm around people that are helping me
make the transition.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
You mentioned the connecting to your emotions, and you can
describe yourself as somebody who educates about emotional literacy. Would
how would you describe what it means to be emotionally
literate and what it is that you're striving for constantly. Wow.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I think I'm a bit off from the the Merriam
Webster definition.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I don't want their definition yours.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
I think the simplest way that I could describe emotional
literacy as a concept for me would be somebody who
is capable of experiencing, identifying, and healthily expressing the full
spectrum of human emotion that we as humans are subjected to,

(23:06):
whether it be through circumstances that we are raised around,
or find ourselves in stimuli from the outside world other
people happenstance occurrences. Being able to experience and identify emotions
as they come up, arise, and present themselves, and being

(23:29):
able to express those emotions without subjecting others or ourselves
to harm or abuse. I do all I can as
a person, as a man, and as a creative to
be an example of someone who is not afraid to

(23:52):
experience the full spectrum of human emotion, including the emotions
that I and many of us have been taught to
view as negative or less than favorable. You know, and
it doesn't always look pretty, it doesn't always look as
marketable and palatable as some of my more polished videos

(24:20):
or efforts. But I believe that one of the most
important things that any of us can do is learn
to view our emotions as what they are, and they
are reactions to things. They are the results of things
that happen. They are They're not something to be feared

(24:44):
or shamed.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
I like to take all the car sensors that are
indicating something greater, like, oh, you got to check up
on that. You're gonna look at that.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I did that. Yeah, fucking uh, the pressure higher PRESSU
your sensor or fucking you know, the check the check oil,
fucking engine light, all that ship. Some of us are
driving around with that check engine like yeah for fucking years.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, because the car can still move, But eventually that's
it's gonna stop you on the side of the road.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
We have to fucking we have to acknowledge our emotions.
The more that we the more what we resist persists.
It's it's a shame, man. A lot of people have
unfollowed me because they're like, what's up with the anger
and the yelling, and oh, you're this ship triggers me
And I'm like, Yo, this isn't for you to like anymore.

(25:39):
It's not I'm not doing this to I'm I am
taking conscious steps in a direction that does not care
about you liking me.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I can't make everybody happy also, so you might as
well be yourself exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
I'm tired of resisting these emotions. No, I have a platform,
and I'm gonna use it however the fuck I want. Yes,
I'm going to die one day. I will be damned
if I don't do the things I want to do
how I want to do them, even if it changes
ten years from now. I might look back on the
decisions I'm making now, like damn, I wouldn't do that now.

(26:19):
But I will never look back on something I've done
and say I shouldn't have done that. Like No, that
guy or that version of me was working with what
he had, and that's where I'm at. I'm like no,
right now, my body and my mind and my heart
is telling me to get this fucking anger out out
of me.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
And that's it. So it's coming out and the music,
it's coming out in the workouts, it's coming out in
my videos. I cannot live my life worried about whether
or not you like me.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, you know, I feel like people that are stuck
behind that wall, that can't be themselves completely and are
impeding themselves. Often they see that and they want that,
you know, they want to you know, be able to
express their anger or be happy when they're happy, or
I don't know, Like I feel like envy is one
of those emotions, and envy and fear are some of

(27:13):
those toxic traits of humanity that end up forming us
into monsters in some way. You know, well, fear could be.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
I agree with the part, but I feel like fear
is different. Sometimes fear is necessary, it's a human instinct.
Sometimes when you have a feeling of fear, a lot
of the times our basic intuition is picking up on
things in our surrounding sider we don't think about.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Right With fear, we have to figure out how to
ration it and how to kind of hit it with
a little alchemy and turn it into something that can
work in our favor. Fear can be a healthy motivator.
Fear can be something that, like we said, can kick
into that fight or flight and save our lives. But

(28:00):
fear can also inhibit us. And it's when we let
certain emotions, like you said, emotions sometimes emotions are liars.
I like to look at me as like a boardroom,
like Cane Kerner as a person is a boardroom, And

(28:20):
at this table there's many seats, and there's seats in
there for every emotion that I'm capable of feeling, and
at the head of the table is supposed to be me,
in my heart of hearts, my truest version of myself,
my spirit. But oftentimes, because of different stimuli or influence

(28:42):
that the flesh is subject to, various emotions can at
times take that seat at the head of the table,
and those emotions are going to be looking out for
their best interest nine times out of ten, not ours.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
They want the attention.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Yeah, many times we allow fear to be at the
top of that table. We allow sadness, or we allow
whatever the hell other emotion we can think of to
be that at the head of the table and control
what we are doing. I believe that we need to
remind ourselves as often as we can of this fact

(29:20):
so we can be aware that, oh, this emotion that's
taking the chair right now does not need to be
I deserve to sit there, get out of my chair.
What has helped me gain awareness and What has helped
me with implementing more intentional accountability into my day to

(29:43):
day life has been meditation, transcendental meditation, whether it's twenty
minutes a day, certain years I had I was doing
forty minutes a day, I've had three hour meditation sessions.
I do twenty minutes a day at minimum. Working out
is another form of not only meditation, but self reflection

(30:07):
and gratitude. For me, journaling helps, It does wonders emotional alchemy.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
He's putting all the tools together straight up.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Being able to being able to write out what you
are experiencing mentally, physically, and emotionally helps you to not
only get better at identifying the things that you tend
to feel or experience, but it helps you get better
at expressing it verbally. So often we struggle to find

(30:39):
the words to describe our experience, and when we are
unable to do that, the experience is often more potent.
You know, when I was in the mental hospital, I
remember there being a fellow patient and it was this kid.
He was a couple of years younger than me, and

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during group therapy he was always hard pressed or stumped
to when it came to describing what he was experiencing
or what he was thinking, and it clicked with me.
I was like, if we have a limited vocabulary in
regards to how we feel, how we feel will end
up being ten times stronger. It's it's half the battle

(31:23):
being able to express what you're feeling. So journaling helps
a lot with that for people that struggle with talking
about their feelings. If you can't talk about it, write
about it, yep, you know. But I try to tie
that in. Yeah, for me, meditation, working out, journaling, writing,

(31:44):
and even just having a healthy balance of being outside
and something like straight up and there's there's a there's
a certain magic to figuring out how to change isolation
into solitude. And it's really hard, it's really hard. It's

(32:08):
fucking tricky, but it's possible. And there's certain parts of
you that you will never be introduced to if you're
constantly surrounded by other people in an effort to like
distract yourself, you know, or.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
The wrong people. Oh yeah, because that's that's another thing too.
You are the company you keep. I would rather be
with one person who brings the best out of me
than with twenty five people who know.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Or with yourself. Yeah, I say with yourself as opposed
to by yourself, because I think we have to change
the I think we have to change. We have to
be wary of the vocabulary we use. You could sit
here and talk about how you buy yourself all you want,
and though it may be true, it has negative connotation

(32:58):
to it. But saying that you're with yourself, that's something
where you're like, oh, Ship, I I now am able
to view myself as a friend when I when I
say I'm with myself, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
It's that's so real.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
You have so many quotable sayings, do I Yeah, yeah,
you're poetic.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Ship, quote them then, dog, I mean, wait.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I get more butt than an ashtray. That was really good.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
That wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
It was that I got more butt than as.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I didn't make that up. That was big l the wrap. Well,
you're like, damn, you know what I'm saying. But like,
you know everything first of all, everything you know, there's
not new on the sun exact, you know, but yeah,
that is something. Yeah, yeah, that sounds like something I
would have said.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Okay if you could, if I could give you a
billboard right now, and I said okay, and I'm going
to pay for this billboard.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
It's at the center of the world.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Somehow, some way, the entire population of humanity has a
way to.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Access this billboard the sphere Vegas.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
What what would it say? What would you put on it?
Maybe it's not words, it's yours. Please don't say it's
like a picture of your butts.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Because like immediately my mind just goes into marketing and
it's like, yeah, something something or that, just you know,
something that would catch a lot of attention. Something it
would it would have to be something that would catch
a lot of attention, and it might not not necessarily
be in the most positive way. It would just have

(34:32):
to be something that makes you want to look at it.
I hate billboards, by the way, I didn't know that.
I would just set the billboard on fire. It would
just be a billboard that's on fire and it and it,
but it's not like burning, like it's somehow find a
way to have like you.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Get some gas line piping there.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yeah, like part of it is has is like fire retardant.
The billboard would be on fire and it would just
say my name because people will do the rest. It's
like the I hate Stephen Singer billboards where people's like,
what the fuck is I hate Steven Singer? It forces
you to go look it up. So it would be
a billboard that's on fire twenty four to seven, and

(35:15):
it would just say my name, not even I hate King.
I used to go around Philly with stickers and I
would put up fuck Kane Kerner stickers everywhere, and it
made you before I had a following, exactly, people would
just look it up.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
So like, I think we should steal that. Yeah, fuck
in our own world.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yes, straight up, like we we just think about what
are the things that make me look something up? What
are the things that make me inquire further, apply those
same tactics to your shit. You're gonna fucking into benefits.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Just don't put them on the damn street.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
I don't like I don't like billboards, but that's what
I would do here.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I thought you were gonna give me like the greatest
quote of my life.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Oh no, it's either going to be some titties on
the bill nobody cares about quote, or a burning billboard
with my name on it.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I want to know what your billboard would be. No,
I don't know. I can't follow that up. Hmm. I'm
trying to think what I think your billboard would have been. So.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
So, there's a man and he's walking and he falls
in a well. You know why he fell on the well?
He couldn't see that well.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Are these the jokes you tell yourself? I can't understand
why you have one person in your audience.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Yes, yes, it's lovely, lovely. Yes. The two fish are
in a tank. One looks at the other and says,
why the fuck did we join the army?

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Wait? What? Oh wow, guys, I don't get that right.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
The other day, my friend comes up and says, Kan,
what's one of the benefits of living in Sweden? And
I said, I don't know what. He said. The flag's
a big plus.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
That's good. I like that one. That is really good.
They really liked it. I have a question for you
now that gem is talking about your quotes things that
he's like, no more jokes, But you do really have
a lot of quotable things that you say. What is
your process? Have you just read a bunch of shit

(37:19):
and this is like your journaling. Is there a certain
philosopher thinker that you love or books that you've book
that you've read, You know or is this just coming
through your trudy bootyru booy.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
I would say most of my behavior and my worldview
and taste and opinions come from media, whether it be books,
whether it be films or TV or stand up like
I learned how to talk by watching Nicked Night and

(37:56):
a bunch of stand up comedy, fucking specials and movies.
My favorite book is the autobiography of Malcolm X, and
I love the series Series of Unfortunate Events. Another book
I love is called Steal Like an Artist by Alex Cleon.
I read that book about thirteen times since buying it

(38:17):
in high school. Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell and Steel Like
an Artist by Alex Cleon are two books that made
me realize I am the result. I am the amalgamation
of everything that I have ever been exposed to, willingly
or not unwillingly, Anything that I have consumed, I am

(38:38):
the direct result of that. And my creative family tree
is large and vast. It is so it is such
a broad tree that it is almost impossible to pinpoint
every influence I have, thus making me appear to be
more original.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
The harder it is for people to trace your source material.
The harder it is for people to trace your inspirations,
the more original you will appear. That's something that Pablo
Picasso believed in. That's something that Prince believed in.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
That It's that right there, I would say, is the
key or the simplest explanation of where I get my
shit from. I get everything I say, everything I do,
where how I present myself from those who came before me.
And many of my heroes are dead, but they, you know,

(39:38):
they still live on through me, and they live on
through everyone that they have affected or impacted. I have
never met the majority of my mentors, and most of
them I never can because they are no longer here physically.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Ideas don't die though, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
No, it's whatever fucking torch I'm carrying is the flame
of the torch I'm carrying was lit from the torch
they laid down when they laid their body down, and
I'm gonna do the same. I'm going to carry it
as far as I can. Someone else is gonna fucking
light theirs with mine, and.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Then you're gonna carry it to the billboard and like
that ship.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
So fire, just like the fucking volcano at uh fucking
was it. What the hell was a place called Abachi?
What we was talking about? Oh my gosh, whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
How do we go? Why are we doing more advertising?
The point is that I'm pissed, That's my point.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, but did I answer that question?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Kind of?

Speaker 6 (40:34):
Yeah, you've answered every question question pizly and beautiful and
imagine to a home and cry.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
As somebody who's tried so many different kinds of fruit
that like are mostly not even accessible with most parts
of the world. If you were forced to choose one
of these fruit do you see before you and only
eat that fruit for the rest of your life?

Speaker 2 (41:06):
What would it be? Which one would you choose? So?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
My second favorite, my first favorite fruits wootermelon. My second
favorite bananah just because bananas ah, it's just something that
it's not hard to grow, it's it's it's such a
sustainable and convenient source of like energy that will carry
you not only in the moment but throughout the day.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
And for workouts, cramps and ship incredible.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Bananas are fucking incredible. But dragon fruit dragon fruits my
third favorite fruit.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
But I.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Believe wholeheartedly, unless like I get popped or some shit,
dragon fruit is going to be the main thing that
keeps me fucking living a long ass life. It is
just so. It is chock full of antioxidants. It has
so much. It just has so many healthy fucking nutrients
in there, and it promotes a certain regularity what your

(41:59):
digestive system that is just unmatched by fucking any fruit,
whether it's the red white or the yellow dragon fruit.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I've tried both, and I prefer the yellow.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Oh yeah, most people prefer the yellow. It's really good.
It tastes like like a wooded down honey. The red
one's my favorite. I just like because it makes your
poop and your pee red. It's just so sick because
you're like, oh, something wrong with me, but.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
They're like, no, but no, nothing wrong with you. And also,
and I think I've heard you talk about this too,
the cleaner that your body is because of all of
the process foods and sugars that were just used to
having on a daily basis. You go to check out
and notice what's next to the checkout counter. It's never
fucking fruit. Why don't they have bananas and pineapples and
whatever when you're going to pay? So your brain grabs

(42:43):
that no, because they need a sick so the cleaner
that you get, the more you actually start to taste
the true flavors of these things and have a better relationship.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Oh, most people are desensitized. Most people's taste buds are
desensitized to the nature sugars that are found in fruits.
So many people are like, Oh, this fruit isn't that
sweet or that, and I'm like, dude's because you're used
to eating processed sugar. Most foods that are labeled as
fat free or non fat are, for some strange reason,

(43:15):
pumped up with even more sugar. It's always artificial sweeteners.
It's it's a damn shame, man. It's just just a
bunch of fucking nonsense. Man Like, because because it's because
of people like me that the Internet's full of so
much fucking nonsense. Because people have a following, people just
are automatically led to believe that the person with the

(43:38):
following knows what the fuck they're talking about. And there's
not enough people, straight up that there's not enough people
with fucking followings that are open about what they do
not know. These motherfuckers are always talking about that fucking
alkaline only diet and doctor Savvy talking about all this
fucking crazy shit. Well, here's the thing, because like even
though like yeah, like there their foods that are alkalizing

(44:01):
to the body that are healthy to eat, you can
never fully change your fucking gut biome. The natural acidity
level of your gut will never fucking change no matter
how much alkalizing shit you eat. And it's supposed to
be supposed to be that your body needs to maintain
a certain level of acidity to even process and digest

(44:22):
and break down anything. So people are talking about this
whole like every fruit needs to have seeds in order
to be fucking healthy, because they think GMO just means
something's bad. People aren't even aware of the whole process
of selective breeding. Selective breeding leads leads to modified genetics,
but just because genetics are modified doesn't mean that it's

(44:44):
genetic modification that requires the actual splicing of fucking DNA. Like,
selective breeding is how you get someone that's fucking they're
Dominican in black or you get it.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That's a third of the size of the butternuts squash flavor.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
And that's the thing. It's like it just like we
as humans can end up with altered genetics depending on
what fucking ethnic backgrounds we have and if we mate
and have offspring. The same goes for fruit, the same
goes for fucking foods. It's it's it's just it, and
it's all because of people like me on the fucking
Internet who garner a following for something, and sadly, some

(45:27):
let it go to their fucking head to where they
think that they know everything there is to fucking know.
I try to do all I can to be open
and honest and forthcoming about shit that I do not know.
People ask me for weight loss advice all the time.
What the fuck do I look like I know about
weight loss? I've never been tasked with the task of

(45:48):
losing weight, So I tell people I'm like, I do
not have experience that I can give you. People ask
me for fucking dietary advice all the time. I'm like, bro,
I am not the person to take that advice from.
I can tell you about fruit, but like, I'm not.
But sadly, I guarantee there's someone just like me who
if someone were to ask them, they'd fucking not only

(46:08):
give them that advice and tell them what to do,
but they would package it up into a fucking online
course ye, And it's like, I don't know. I'm not
gassed up like that though I guess I don't know.
I'm just like I have never been ashamed at not
knowing something. But what I do know, I fucking know
because it's something i'd live in practice. And it's a

(46:30):
I don't know the whole fruit shit though. There's so
much misinformation about it and it pisses me off because
it's like people are like, oh, what's this? Can you
please tell us the specific benefits of the fruits you're eating.
I'm like, no, I can't because it doesn't matter. It's
all semantic at that. After a certain point, all fruit
is good for your gut health and it's good for
your skin period for your brain too. Yeah, straight up,

(46:53):
anything good for your guts, good for the brain.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
And you said something that I think is really important too.
You're like, listen to your body, like you know your
body better than even some of the best doctors in
the world. They're not inside of your body. You know,
eat fruit, see how it makes you feel. There might
be foods that I can eat them, maybe don't resonate
with your.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Gut, but that's the thing. Listening to your body is
fucking important. But most of us are raised to do
the exact opposite. We are raised to view anything that
we are experiencing as something that we need to go
seek a cure for, usually in the pharmaceutical world.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yep, and more scammers.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
It's a fucking whirlwind.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Can you talk to me about your ego and how
you think? Well, because what I think people associate the
word ego with is negative.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
And I think also you right now talking about people who,
for example, pretend to know things online and things like that,
I think that people are misrepresenting the importance of ego
and understanding it or seeing it from the outside. So
I'm just curious to know your perspective on that.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I think my relationship with my ego has been a
relatively healthy one for the majority of time I've spent
with it. Here, I believe that there's a significant amount
of me that recognizes the work I put into what

(48:33):
I do, the effort I put in to be who
I am and be how I am and show up
how I show up. But then there's an even more
significant dare I say, larger part of me that is
able to recognize immediately how much of whatever it is

(48:55):
I do. I have nothing to fucking do with a
simple example, if this could be attached to ego, I
recognize the effort it takes for me to think of
what I want to say and how I want to
say it, the effort it takes to film the video,

(49:16):
to fucking edit it, and then to post it. The
effort it takes for me to come up with a
melody or come up with whatever I want to sing
or whatever I want to rap, to record my vocals,
to get my levels right, mix my shit, and to

(49:38):
make the artwork, upload it whatever. I can recognize all
that effort, But after I hit enter or hit send,
or hit post or hit publish, I have nothing to
fucking do with that. I have nothing to do with
whether or not someone looks at a video of mine
and decides they want to like it or share it

(49:59):
or comment on it. I have nothing to do with
whether or not someone tunes into one of my lives
hits the follow button. I have nothing to do with
whether or not someone wants to listen to my song
or add it to their playlist, or buy a ticket
to a show. I have nothing to do with anything
outside of the creation process and the publishing process. After that,

(50:26):
my ego knows not to even attempt to try and
take any of that credit. After I do my fucking job,
which is to make the thing and to post the thing,
it is out of my hands. So I think having
a healthy perspective on that and choosing to view that

(50:47):
process that way is what helps keep my ego in check. Also,
I am attacked with an onslaught of intrusive, incessant thought, insecure,
limiting fucking thought and beliefs on four seven basis. Ye,

(51:14):
So like as much as I know I'm the shit,
as much as I know about what I know, however
great I'm able to calmly and confidently recognize I am
and all that I do. I also know that in
the grand scheme of things in life, I am but

(51:34):
a blip in the fucking timeline of humanity. I only
I can only do what I can do. And uh,
I don't know. I know that this isn't going to
live forever, but this and this it is, and it

(51:55):
lives forever. And the people that we talk to, the
people that hear us, the people that choose to take
what we did or say and implement it into their lives.
I am going to live forever. Caine Kerner is not.
But the things I do, the things kin Kerner does,
the things can Kerner contributes to the world or creates

(52:19):
or makes people feel that will live forever. That's kind
of like my ego in a nutshell. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Hell yeah, I relate so much.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
A lot of the times I've actually been called out
because I'll like celebrate equality in myself and I used
to battle it with it more and now I just
give way less of a fuck. Yeah, And I'm like,
I'm so I'm that person, right, Like I checked myself.
I'm like, I'm that person who you know one time
we got pulled over by a cop, and I'm like,

(52:51):
generally not somebody who has a great relationship with cops,
just because my family is Latin.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
No, listen, my family is like.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
I come from a line of fucking of listen.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
My mom's prison. But that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
But my even growing up as a kid, because my
family were like immigrants from Cuba and they spent so
much time fearing the police, they kind of like imparted
that fear of course, so I had an incredible experience
with a cop, and I was so touched by that
experience that I called the chief of police. Well, I
called them, I called the precincts, and then they actually
called us back because they said that they had never

(53:27):
received a phone call a positive phone call before. Knowing
that I'm that person who will like recognize greatness and
other people, why can't I recognize my own.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Work hunting?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
And I feel something that has helped me to do that,
Like throughout the years I try to look at myself.
It's the same thing as the whole choosing to view
myself as with myself as opposed to buy myself. I
remember I was like, why do I struggle to be
a friend of myself so much when I'm such a

(54:00):
great friend to others? And it's because I want others
to feel good. And I would never do anything to
outright make someone feel bad unless it was someone that
offended me or disrespected me or or hurt me. That's
the only time I would ever harm anyone back. And
I was like, Okay, Well, if I'm able to be

(54:21):
such a loving, supporting and caring friend to others and
I struggle to do that with myself, maybe I have
the final way to view myself either as another person
or to view myself from the perspective of another person.
So then I can treat me like I would treat
a friend.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Or the younger you a therapy tool exact to view
yourself as little you. And I went to the self
lover treat and they have you go into a deep
meditation where you pick a memory, a core memory of
yourself as a child, like let's say it's playing in
like I said, Mulch, right, like playing in the playground
in Mulch or whatever, and you physically have to visual

(55:00):
you walking up to yourself as that child, embracing yourself
as that child, and like giving them the love and
the language and the things that you wanted your parents
to tell you or you needed to be told or
and you kind of like are in that moment with
yourself and you make a promise, like to take care
of you, to that version of you, and then when

(55:20):
you come out of the meditation, you actually feel responsible
to yourself, but a version of yourself that you're not
identifying with you now. It's actually one of the most
incredible experiences I've had, and obviously someone was guiding me
through it, so it you know, imparted itself deeper in me.
But I again, I don't know exactly how to do it.

(55:41):
But if you're interested, look into it because maybe there's
someone who can help. Oh totally, you know, to do something.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Like that in concept, Like, I feel like what it
ultimately is is like it it not only because it
simultaneously reminds us of how we operate on a control
state line. It's like, well, no, Like like you said,
you're like, I'm the kind of person who, how the

(56:07):
hell did you work?

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Celebrates others?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
Yeah, you celebrate others you wanted to do. Even even
with the history that you had related to family and
related to dealing with police or just the law in general,
you as a person are still someone that just wants
to like show gratitude or shine light on someone who's
doing a good thing. So what I thought about it,

(56:31):
I remember I was getting in my own way for
for many years where I just wouldn't put out songs,
and I was like, why was I not putting shit out?
And I realized I was, like I was. It was
that perfectionism, that fear of wanting things to be perfect.
So then I started doing this thing where I was like,
all right, after I'm done doing my job as the creative,

(56:52):
as the person comes up and does this, this, this, this, this,
when it's done, step outside of that and listen to
what I just made or watched what I just made
from the perspective of someone else. And I'm like, all right,
say I made a song. If that song were made
by someone else, what I like?

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:14):
And if I would you get your own I put
it out. That's something that has helped me with videos
where people are like, oh, you're so cringe and all
this shit, and I'm like, bro, me learning to not
give a fuck about that changed my life and it's
led me to more financial freedom or spiritual freedom or
physical freedom great.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
And also put the fuck out, recognizing that in ten
years you may not like that song, but in the moment,
that version of you was creating that art. Like I
listened to my record that I did when I was
eighteen nineteen years old, and I cringe because I'm like,
oh my god, like my voice sounds so high and
so babyish, and what am I saying? I'm over? I

(57:56):
was trying to hide my emotions in my words, too
many metaphors, and to me, I was like, Wow, this
makes complete sense, which it does once I explain it,
but I'm like hiding, but like, think about a message that's.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Thinking about it from this, from where you're at now
and what you know now, Like I listened the old
shit to me, and I'm like, why the fuck did
I choose to do this? This?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
This?

Speaker 3 (58:16):
And then that's what I had at the moment. That's
what I fucking had. That's what he had, And like
I can sit here and get upset about it, and
we could sit and nippick our old shit all we want,
but it's like, no, that is one of the most
beautiful things about us living in a day and age
with these phones or with technology. It is not only

(58:39):
these are not only platforms and means for us to
express ourselves, but to document our experience. And it's like
I I look back on the songs and even just
videos and pictures of me and my friends hanging out,
and all I wish is that I had more. All
I wish is that I had more. It's I I

(59:01):
can't regret any of it, even if I look back,
and I can clearly see I wouldn't make that decision
now if I could go back and talk to past me.
I would simply just let pass me know that, like, Yo,
I'm still.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Here everything, You're still gonna be here.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Yeah, I'm profiting off every idea you had, but you
were too fucking pussy or fucking or or fucked up
in the head to or fucking unconfident about. Yeah, numb too.
I'm like, I'm profiting off every idea you ever had,
but you were too fucking scary to go do but check.

(59:39):
But it's like I I started learning how to be
a better person for myself and for others by kind
of forcing myself to view myself as another person advice.
I slowly started to treat me like I treat a friend.
You know, I don't know, but that that that that's

(01:00:00):
something that helped my ego get in check.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I guess I find myself being complete ass trash to
myself and like giving my best to people around me
are things around me? And then I wonder why I'm
so pissed off. You know that I'm not loving myself
correctly or feeding my cup or young baby Emily's cup
or whoever it is that I need to pay attention to.

(01:00:25):
That's not the noise out there and I think fostering
that relationship with yourself is absolutely essential. Like I see
people in our generation, you know, oh, this job and
this marriage and this thing. It's like, no, how about
just like basic one oh one, do you love yourself?
Because then it's kind of selfish to that changes too.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, Like even us, like like we don't just get
to a certain level where we're like, oh, I'm good,
Like I know how this goes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
We're constantly evolving. Self love is constantly evolving. Our needs
and our requirements and preferences are always evolving and changing,
you know what I mean. And it's like it's just
like yo, like or for me, I'm not even focused
about like being happy or being positive. I'm not worried
about loving myself. I'm more worried about just not hating myself.

(01:01:18):
I'm more worried about, like, rather than focusing or trying
to be happy twenty four to seven, I'm like, hey,
can I just not be as sad or fucking doom
and gloom, because like I'm rather than than experiencing the
the fucking peaks or the saturation or the saturated end

(01:01:39):
of happiness, I'd rather just be content. I want to
be in that middle ground, like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I'm out wid the monks know what's up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
I don't set my bar too high, and yet like
I'm not. I don't need to love myself ultimately in
each and every way right now. No, I just like,
can I just be a little more kinder to myself?
And not even kinder as in nice, because like, you
can be nice all you want, but you can lie
and be nice. You can't lie and be kind. It's
like I'm focused on, rather than being nice, being kind

(01:02:12):
and rather than being happy, I'm focused on being at peace.
At being at peace is when I feel people fucking
get mad at me all the time. It's like, oh,
you're rude, and you're fucking this and that, And I'm like, well, one,
you're sensitive. You think I'm rude, You're fucking sensitive. I'm like,
but no, Like I don't care about being nice anymore.

(01:02:33):
Like I'm I'm focused on being kind and to me,
one of the kindest things you can do is just
be honest sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Nice, nice dude. And I'm like, he just doesn't know it,
because I know. The thing is that also guys, also, guys,
hold on because honesty can be can come off a
certain way the person delivering it is a right, right,
Like I think being around her and i'm you know,

(01:03:00):
I'm assuming we don't know each other that well yet
hopefully more soon, but.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Yeah, she.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Lifted that perception for me that everybody fucking plays, especially
in Latin families, which is like, don't worry about how
you really feel, like just be kind and like tell
people to their face that you know they're great and
you know it's the best song you've ever heard and
they look great, and you know, like lie to people,
just lie, lie, lie, because it's just easier that way.

(01:03:30):
And it is so so refreshing but so painful sometimes
to realize that we haven't been used to hearing the
truth and the people that actually care and actually love
you are going to deliver the truth because it's in
your best interest. And if you don't agree, it doesn't
have to be like a fight, but it can be

(01:03:50):
a conversation, like especially with the people around you, like friends.
We've had to have so many conversations with friends in
different moments that are like this quality about you is
ugly and it's a big problem, and I don't want
to feel like I don't want to be your friend anymore, like,
can we work on it? So many people, even if
at first they freak out and they you know, don't

(01:04:11):
take it well, they always come around and thank you
always always.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
I feel like at a certain point it registers. It's like,
holy shit, this person wants me to stay in their life.
This person wants me to maintain being around so much
so that they were able to bring up a concern
they had in an effort for me to do something
about it so that I could stay in their life

(01:04:37):
and they could stay in mind. It's like, if somebody
didn't really care about you or want you in your life,
they would have just left you to your own devices
and fucking split. But it's like if someone cares about
if someone is willing, if someone cares enough to make
a point to bring something like that up to you,
they really want you a ROMP. Yeah, it's hard to

(01:05:00):
see that at first because we're used to viewing things
like that as an attack. But when you stop identifying
so much with your habitual behaviors or just like patterns,
you start to realize where a lot of that shit
comes from. I feel like it's I don't know, life
just becomes so much easier, Like I I'm blessed to

(01:05:21):
have people in my life that can tell me about myself.
It's so fucking relieving because I'm like, holy shit, like
I'm actually like I'm seeing like this person actually sees me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
This isn't just yet the good, the bad, the ugly,
and they're choosing to stick around.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Especially when you're in the public eye. That is, everybody's
always going to tell you the best about you, the
things they love, and the one the one comment that's
you know, maybe interpreted as criticism or this, and that
you're like one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
It blows my mind. But like people could tell me,
people tell me, whether it's praise or critique, you're never
as good as they say you are, and you're never
as bad as they say you are. Like I the
only people I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Know damn that would be on my billboard.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Straight.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
You are never as good as they say you are,
and you are never as bad as they say you are.
And when you're somebody who has who has a public
persona or anything of that nature, if you don't have
people in your personal life that actually fucking know you,
actually know you, then you're fucked. You will then be
a slave to the fucking craze or the critique that

(01:06:33):
you receive preach, and I refuse to be because I
know people in my life that fucking really know me,
And when they tell me about myself, even when it's
some ship that I really don't want to hear, I
love it because I'm like, damn it, like I it
just feels good because I'm like, they're letting me know

(01:06:54):
I exist in the world. This we think about ourselves
nine times out of ten throughout our day, we're reflecting inward,
we're looking at ourselves, and we're fucking critiquing ourselves. To
have somebody care enough about you that they can accurately
tell you about yourself, it's just such as that to
me is like a show of love, even when it's

(01:07:16):
some shit that they're kind of like checking me for. Yeah, like,
damn it, you really fucking love me enough to think
about me throughout the day. Like that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
That's awesome. Guys. It's true. Keep the people around you
that call you out on your shit and then make
you feel that, because the truth is like they're gonna
love you at your best and your worst, and they're
gonna call you out and it's not a fear of
like it's a gift to have somebody like that in
your life. So if you do, pick up the phone
and call them right now, tell them you love them
and send them some fruit. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we

(01:07:58):
are back with the amazing Kane Kerner. It's no surprise
if the people behind the camera in this room are crying.
People in front of the camera were crying. You hit
the nail on the head when you say, like musicians,
if you make people feel, that's what matters. In every
artistic medium you touch, you make us feel. So thank
you before we learn what's up in space and you

(01:08:19):
unfortunately leave us today. I have one thing to ask you.
You touch art through multiple mediums and you're continuing to
you know, grow the people around you that are joining
your revolution, which I feel like is guys, young ones
out there are old ones out there. It's never too
late to change your life, never too late to wake

(01:08:41):
up and choose to have a February fifteenth, and you know,
make your own February fifteenth so you can go back
and tell that person that you're worth it. And you've
just given us a lot to think about today. You know,
I love your the content that you post where you're
sharing your thoughts. But your music is really powerful to me.

(01:09:02):
So are we going to see you live anywhere soon?
What's What's in the Plants?

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Yeah? I'm actually performing at this event called the Vegan
Block Party on October fourteenth, Fort Lauderdale, Florida. October fourteenth
at Esplanade Park in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I will be
performing live for the first time in three fucking years.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Woo.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
I haven't performed live since before the COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Lockdowns and her especially, and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
It's uh, you know I was. I was gigging multiple
times a month since I was sixteen seventeen. I'm twenty
eight now. I have never done a tour. I don't
know how to, but I can fucking handle it. I
know I can because I can. I have handled everything
that life has thrown me thus far that I didn't

(01:09:52):
know how to handle. I just I learned my feet
to the fire. So long as I link up with
some people that have a little no hower experience or
the will to do so, I don't see why that
couldn't be a possibility. But I'm going to keep making
incredible music. I'm going to keep releasing it. I'm going

(01:10:12):
to keep making these videos, and I'm doing everything I
can to just throw as much shit at the wall
in the hopes that it sticks. And I'm just going
to continue to get better and to grow not only
as an artist, not only as a human being, but

(01:10:34):
as an entity. I fully believe in not only my potential,
but in my capability. I know that I'm built for
this shit. I know that I'm built for worldwide success
and notoriety and popularity, and I know how to As

(01:11:01):
odd as it sounds, I've known how to handle those things.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
That responsibility.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Yeah, I've known how I was going to handle those
things and these things long before I knew how to
actually go about attaining them or achieving or experiencing them.
My whole game is one of like reverse engineering, you know.
I feel like I've kind of always known what the
end goal is and what the result is, and I've

(01:11:29):
just been trying to figure out, Okay, so what's step
ten and nine and eight and seven? And I don't
know what step I'm at, But I know I'm not
the end yet. When I'm done doing what I'm here
to do, my body's going to be taken away, it's
going to cease to work, and that's not for a while.
I've got a lot of shit to do. I don't

(01:11:50):
know exactly what's next, but I'm just going to keep
doing everything I do, and I'm going to continue to
do it at a more optimal and effective way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, Earth, please Cane mother f and Kerner.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
Before you leave us today, would you like to hear
what's going on out of space on everybody's favorite out
of Space news networks? This week? In outer space, NASA
is working to dodge asteroid that is ready to hit
Earth after one hundred and fifty nine years. It has
the force of twenty two atomics bombs. The asteroid passes
Earth every six years, and if it crashes into Earth,

(01:12:31):
it will cause devastation for six hundred miles from the
crash site. If you wish to wrangle all the racist,
homophobes and certified haters into that six hundred mile please
click the link below.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
So Earth is trying to dodge an asteroid, that's something
Me and the Earth ain't God in compasses. I ain't
dodging nothing with some mass on it. I ain't dodging
nothing with the mass on it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
You know what I'm saying. If it's got as, let
it pass, I'm gonna passed through you. It's gonna passed
right through all your bone.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Makaine can handle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
That, Okay, Caine will be the last know you and
him and the asteroid.

Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
That's like hugging the last ass Bender. Baby, what you're
talking about? You know what I'm saying, Big, small, short, tall,
I want them all all right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Houston Intuitive Machines first lunar Lander is complete and ready
to ship for launch next month, as executives said they're
cautiously optimistic about the prospects of a successful landing. You
know what this means, guys, It's finally fine to find
out if the Moon landing was fake. Luckily, I am
small and have convinced the team at NASA to let

(01:13:45):
me poke on as a stowaway under the toilet.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
That shit fake, Bro. I don't think we made it, Bro,
I don't think we made it to the Moon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
That's what I'm saying. Stanley Kubrick, Hello, you're a little quiet, okay.
And lastly, NASA's James Webb Space Telescope has produced the
deepest and sharpest infrared image of the distant universe to date.
If you zoom into the leftmost corner of the photo,
you can see what is now believed to be the
origin of all space time Beyonce on the glitter Horse

(01:14:14):
from Renaissance, making it one of science's largest discoveries today.
Makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
The greatest living performer today.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Thank you. Stop the bullshit enough. I'm leaving with him.
That was it, that Beyonce is the greatest living musical
performer today.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Michael Jackson said it before he passed. Yep, shut up everywhere,
shut up. They're good. Don't get me wrong, but it's Beyonce.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Motherfucker you see you see the man? Now, that's it god,
motherfucker space news. Well, I feel like I have to
go because my girlfriend and Kane time. I should have
started out two hours ago. Kane, thank you for joining us.
You've been an absolute pleasu. I hope that we have
many more conversations. He's feeling it. Something's passing through him.

(01:15:08):
It's the fruit, it's the asteroid. He invited any parting
words before we leave it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
I said it earlier, but it has truly been a
delight to sit across from you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I think that.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
You're Flint to the world and everything that and every
person that you've touched, be it through your videos, be it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Through in person conversation. You've sparked something in them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
And you say that you're carrying a torch, but you're
not just carrying a torch.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
To pass to somebody else.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
You are leaving wildfires in your wake. And I'm very
lucky to be here with you today, and I'm thankful
for your time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Thank you, thank you, kin, thank you. Guys.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
We love you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
We'll see you next time. Go learn all about him.
You won't regret it. Bye thought for that baby.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Baby can't curn her on all platform.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
You're the fuck Oh slay that ship and now we
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Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
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