November 2, 2022 • 56 mins
This one is no joke, and neither is our newest passenger...although, you might recognize her from her often hilarious, no-holds-barred moments on national television. Ana Navarro is one of the biggest Latin voices in American politics, a political strategist, commentator, Emmy-nominated cohost of The View, and lifetime Republican. She calls it as she sees it--regardless of party affiliation--and you'll get to know her in a new way on this exclusive flight.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Only captain, I gave you the same. Let's go to
the one trying to catch ready for wondering at the
same tack for lunching. Okay, everybody better book when you'll
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see mail nice and tight today on in our own world,
we are flying fast, We're flying honest, we're flying true.
We have the one, the only Navarro on in our
own world. Baby, very excited. And this is as close
as paces I'm gonna get because I'm never gonna play
elon musk two d and fifty dollars to go on
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anything he's built. You don't want to find in his rocket. Knew,
I'll fly on a penuts, but not on his rocket.
O not not anything were related to him, by the way.
I just I think he's very weird. Oh you'll fit
in here though. We're very weird, but in a very
different way. And before we dive into this flight, all right,
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we just have one question to ask you, mutual question,
maybe the only real important question all episode. How do
you sit down with all so big? Because really we
want to know you. Are Are you comfortable? Listen? They
they're they're cushions. No, for real, I think that in
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this day and age, right, especially us young people. Yes
we're young year old, get used to it, but just kidding.
But you represent just cutting to the point, the honesty,
the real truth. And I feel like a lot of
people are pretending that that's where we need to be,
but they don't actually speak on it because they're afraid,
afraid of the consequences what it actually means to put
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yourself on the line and represent something. I aspire to
be like you. Jem has inspired me to be more
like the two of you because she's an honest home
all right, and sometimes it's hard to be honest. But
you represent a voice that we all hear in our
head that a lot of people are afraid to go to.
So thank you. I'm honored you're here, and jut out
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will thank you for being here. Thank you, thank you.
I'm so excited to be with you. Guys. You know what,
you know how much I love your family and how
much they mean to me culturally. Um and um. We
do ship for each other. We show up for each other,
and that's just the way it is. Amen. We love you,
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We've loved you for a very long time. Speaking of
which you said, we stick together, we're family, etcetera. That's
something that also I love about the Latino community. Latino
community that also become Americans, right because we're all at
the know, but we're all really proud Americans. And that's
something that I love. And I see also between you
and my parents and us, all that we honor where
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we come from and we love where we come from,
but we're very proud Americans and understand the sacrifices that
it takes to be here and be free the way
that we are. And something that I love is always
says oh oh yeah, he said, you know, so like
how did you make that choice? I know that you
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say a lot that you were eight years old, right,
and you've said I've I'm a Republican since I'm eight
years old, you know, like nobody can take that away
from me. How did that happen? Right? Like? What is
your story that made you feel that way? Because I
was born here and my connection with my grandma is
so fierce and so strong that I'm not going to Cuba.
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There's no way I'm going to Cuba, and I'm not
maybe yes, but there's something deeper than that, And I'm curious,
like what do you think that is? Why are we
so connected to our homeland that some of us can't
even touch, you know. I think part of it is
actually for us, is living in Miami, right where there's
a constant influx of new people who are building on
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and coming under the same, more similar circumstances than people
who came before them. Right. So, Cubans came in the sixties,
Nikarawan's came in the eighties. Venezuelans are coming now, fleeing
from the same shit, right, the same cancer of communism
and dictatorship and human rights violations and fleeing. And so
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I think I think part of living in Miami is
staying connected, because how can you not stay connected when
there's Cubans showing up on rafts on your beaches. How
can you not stay connected when you know, when when
you turn on the local news and our local news
is international news, and you know, and you see the
the earthquakes happening in Haiti, and you see the tragedies
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happening all over the place. And so I think that
keeps us connected. I think the music keeps us connected.
I think the food keeps us connected. The family values
um and and the fact that you know, in Miami
we can live on the hyphen, right, you can be
Latino American, you can be Cuban American, you can be
in a karata American, and you can be whatever the
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hell you want, and you can live on that hyphen
comfortably and and not feel like anybody's squeezing you to
be one thing or the other. And the other thing
about Miami is and if they don't like it, we
don't care. I mean, we really don't care. Right, So,
like I remember when there was this congressman who lost,
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thank God, because he was such an ass um But
frankly of being being an ass got you kicked out
of Congress, would be left with nobody. But this guy
came and he said, you know, he referred to Miami
as a third world country. And you think, oh good,
wine just showed up. Because when I came here and said,
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how come glory, I got booze and I'm getting water,
we couldn't do that to you. So I you know,
I think we're so proud of who we are. You know,
I think sometimes and sometimes in different countries and in
different parts even of this country, people feel compelled to
and pressure to assimilate, whatever that means. And sometimes in
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the process of assimilating, you lose your language, you lose
your traditions, you lose your heritage, you lose your culture.
And I think, um, you know, I think there's been
a shift, particularly in the last few years, where there's
this pride. Right. It's interesting that you say that I'm
not because we have those conversations with our friends and
our generation. Um, I think that a lot of immigrant fans,
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how young exactly are you? All were millennials, we count
as millennials. Okay, wait, bring out your strata areas. But
we have a lot of friends who are first generation
Americans or second generation Americans who don't speak Spanish, who
their parents came here and they felt they needed to assimilate,
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and they thought, well, let me try to whitewash as
much as I can while I'm raising my child. And
now those kids are a little bit detached from the culture.
Then there's people like Emily and I who were really
blessed and fortunate to have family and parents who encouraged
us to be proud of our culture. But even I myself,
I went to through a period of time where I
kind of like rejected my Latin nous, probably because I
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thought it was uncool and now older, I guess probably
since my twenties. If it's something I couldn't be prouder of.
Where is your family from Cuban? Okay, so you're both Cuban.
You see when I when I came here in the eighties, Um,
they should had hit the fannel over Latin America much
like today. Again unfortunately and so um I went to
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the same good Heart here and um, frankly, there were
more There were more girls in the English is a
second language course than then there were in a normal English,
which is why I speak like this. And you know, people,
I have to tell you this story, Emily. So I
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literally did not know I had an accent. You're not
supposed to laugh, bitch. So I didn't know I had
an accent. And then when Twitter comes on and I'm
you know, I'm on National TV, the people who loved
me would tweet me about my sexy Latina accent, and
the people who hated me would tell me to go
back to you know, eat another burrito and go back
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to Mexico. Of course I'm not from and and you know,
if I'm going to go back to Mexico, I'm not
going to eat a burrito because they don't make him
in Mexico. But anyways, so I had no idea I
had an accent, and I you know, and I would
say to people, what do you mean I have an accent?
Have you ever heard of meeting a step Maybe Ali
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don't know have an accent? You know exactly what he's saying. Okay, baby,
both I would I low you. But how about people
that guy was born here, like you know your dad
and I have an excuse people from Hialeah. I think
there's in Miami accent totally, there is, right, and I learned.
I learned it too once I left Miami. I was like, oh, whoops,
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I'm proud of it. Though some right wing guy was
trying to u I guess attack me once and he said, oh,
do you only use that fake Sophia Vergara accent on TV?
I'm like, wait, you think I'm faking this? Okay? I
actually really quickly, I want to share something and I
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was thinking about taking it to social media and Jem
was encouraging me. And I'm actually beating myself up that
I didn't. But this is a great time to mention it.
We do our nails. You're talking about Miami and assimilation
and all that stuff. Jim calls me me North Cuba,
and it's true because you come here a lot of
people that speak English and they're like, how come everyone
speaks Spanish. I'm like, because this is a melting pot.
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Normally we're in Florida. Let's not forget that we are
dealing with some of the craziest in position on our rights.
Some of the like I'm afraid Florida scares me, but
when we're in Miami, it doesn't feel like the rest
of Florida. What part scares you is that this new
culture war on LGBTQ. Like no, actually, like, for example,
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we should scary no, no, no, no, excuse me, sorry,
I'm so sorry. It's scared like the the Drag Queen
beat all that ship. It hits close to home. But
like we're talking about family and Latino culture. I'm like,
if we have a daughter or a son, right, oh,
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because she's so freaking cute. No, but for real, like
because for example, okay, Rob Wade, right, when we if
we hopefully decide to have a child, however we do that,
like we have to think about it either adoption, egg
Et cetera. It's not something that can happen by accident.
Right If we have a daughter, what about her rights?
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That's my fear, Like, what world are we leaving behind?
I already have freaking gray hairs. This ship is not cool,
Like I'm gonna be gone before I even notice. I'm
worried about what's left behind. That's what scares me. So
like being in Florida, you see it and you're like, damn,
I'm in Florida. But we're in Miami, so I don't
feel it except for the first time in my life.
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The other day, you see things on TikTok on Instagram
and you're like, that's terrible, that's terrible. I don't say that.
I'm like, damn, I wish one of those things happened
in front of me. I'd be the wrong one. And
the other day it did. We were at the nail salon,
which a lot of those people literally the woman who's
doing my nail, she got here from Cuba, what four
months ago, three months ago? Something like that doesn't speak English,
is trying to take classes, you know, like trying to
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figure it out. But hello, she she doesn't. So I'm
there and she's doing my feet, and um, this gentleman
walks in already with this aggressive energy and he comes
right up to the technician who's doing my feet and goes, hey,
does Rebecca still work here? And she's like, I p
on like you know in He's like, oh, you need
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a translator. Now, somebody's gonna translate for you. How come
everywhere you go in Miami you have to have a
translator for you. You don't understand what I'm saying. And
I'm like, sir, sir, I will translate for you. And
I'm like, you're being extremely rude. You're in Miami, like
you're walking in asking her for help, you know, and
I'm trying to help you. The least thing you can
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do is have some respect. And you know you said
something when you were telling it. First of all, good
for you for standing up, right, we should all be
standing up, and we should all be standing up for
each other. What I think people don't understand is that
people who hate don't care who they hate, right, So
the same I assure you that most of the people
who are anti Semitic are also anti gay, and are
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also anti Latino, and are also anti black, And so
the we understand, yeah, and are also ignorant assets. But
the quicker, we understand that we gotta stick together and
we gotta stand up for each other, and that you know,
an attack against a a PI is an attack against
us because they're coming for us at some point. And
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you know when it really bothered me. I don't know
if you guys saw it. Um a few weeks ago,
last week, a few days ago, these Latino council members,
county council members in l A County who were who
were caught on you know, on a on a guest
recording saying some really racist things. And that is so
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stupid because too often, too often people manipulate us. And uh,
you know, there's people who use different minority communities as
pawns to divide us, to pit us against each other,
to compete for the same small piece of pie. Whereas
you know, we got together, we can demand a bigger
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piece of pie and just be stronger. And I so,
I you know, that reminds me. We saw the gubernatorial
debate between Chris and the Satan and um, and uh,
one of the things that that the Santis was talking
about was that the US is not built on stolen land,
and I kind of sat there and I was like,
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am I on drugs? At a certain point, when you're
watching the media, you have to ask yourself, like I'm
being so ghastly, I must be the crazy one, or
like I thought we all knew that we were, that
we built this on stolen land, built by stolen people.
I don't understand. So, Okay, the Seminoles were here before
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anybody else was, and you know, they were conquered by Spaniards.
That's why it's called floty. That it's not called Connecticut
or New York. It's called La Floty because it was,
you know, conquered by Spaniards, and um, you know in
the Makasuki we're here and so I I don't understand
how you deny history, right, I mean, every country has
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good moments and bad moments in their history. Every country
has things to be proud of and things to be
ashamed of. Totally just we You know, it doesn't mean
that you're perennially that you're always permanently ashamed of it,
but you you know, you've got you've gotta admitted. I mean,
you face it. They've got restiations, dude, and vote you know.
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I mean all of those all those Native Americans in
Florida who who live in this you know, have a
right to vote, and they should exercise it, and they
should exercise it. Does those people who want to erase
them from history? Springsteen Bruce Springsteen, he said, really, the
thing that he loves most about democracy is not thinking
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that it's perfect. It's knowing that there are things to
fix about it. Understanding that democracy means hard work, means
talking to people you don't agree with and moving forward.
And that's the thing that's crazy to me. We go
back to the Native Americans and everything, all of us
that are fighting, that are down each other's throats. There
are politicians that you talked to that you're like, and
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where's your dad from? You know what I mean? Like
what they forget they have? Like actually, Ted Cruz was
on the view. Oh we saw we saw that, and
I had that question ready to be my next but
I couldn't get to it because he was getting heckled
so hard that I couldn't get to my second question.
But you know, he is commending governors like the Santists
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and and and the Abbot from Texas for sending immigrants
to Martha's vineyard and the Vice President's house or whatever
you want. But you know, the funny thing is Ted
Cruz's father, who was a supporter of Fidel early on.
Many Cubans were young Cubans were at the time fled
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but these stuff came here and asked for political asylum,
and that's how he became legal, which is exactly what
the Venezuelans that are getting sent to Martha's Vineyard are doing,
you know, and which is exactly what my family. And
so how what do we need? What kind of hypocrite?
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What kind of ungrateful hypocrite do you need to be?
Two command using people as political pawns who are fleeing
the exact same circumstance and uh, you know, using the
exact same legal methods that your father did or that
you know you did. I just I don't understand that part.
And it and it pains me to see that so
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many um, so many Latinos, so many Hispanics in Florida
supported people seem to forget, you know, people seem to
forget when there was compassion towards them. I completely agree
with you. It was a political play. It was a
waste of Florida tax dollars. But I think that beyond that,
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what's scarier is the display of a lack of humanity,
the lack of use the word that I was thinking, compassion.
Like these people, we know the horrors they must have
gone through, even to just set foot on our land,
to then be picked up and thrown around like if
they were beneath you know, less than human um. And
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I think that's something that we're seeing in general in
the political climate, just like the lack of recognition for
we're human beings. At the end of the day, it
doesn't matter what are our different opinions are. We have
to hold space for each other in that way. And
I did want to ask you, and I'm glad that
you mentioned Florida Hispanics. Um, you're a Republican, you identify Republican,
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you always have, but you're very critical of the Republican Party.
And I love that about you because I think that's
what it takes, is people within our own parties being
able to point fingers and say we can do better
than this. How do you feel about the Cuban American
Republicans who agree with a lot of this, who are
like the you know, the Maga Republicans who forget themselves
that they just arrived probably recently, and that we're granted,
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you know, special privileges because Cubans had special privileges in
order to be here. Well, they're still granted special privileges.
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It's called for Drive policy, the Cuban Adjustment Act, which
applies only to Cubans. Cubans. Look, it's um, my positions
have cost me, uh, friendships, long time friendships of people
who I thought I was going to we were going
to die as friends. Um, that's not seeing people. Yeah,
it does. Because when when friendships depend on agreeing on
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politician or not, that's not much of a friendship, you know,
I've learned that. Um, I'm I'm mortified, and I'm embarrassed
by some in our community, particularly some of the elected
officials you know. And I'm and I name names right,
I mean, it's it's horrific to see what Marco Rubio
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has become. I remember when he was on the cover
of magazines as the Republican Savior. Today he's like an
irrelevant has been with a you know, dry mouth problem.
And part of it is because people recognize, you know,
when when somebody's being a Lackey. And it's not just Florida, right,
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it's Lindsey Graham and South Carolina, it's Ted Cruising. I mean,
it's so embarrassing that these people are twisting themselves into
you know, I like, but I think it's embarrassing. I
think it's cost people. You know, you shouldn't put your
political career ahead of your principles and your conscience because um,
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because then you lose your identity and who are your serving? Yeah,
or you're serving your political career, right. I mean, I
I never thought Marco Ruby would be in the Senate
this long. I thought he would either go do other
things or you know, and I think he did too,
or or go be president, be our first Latina president.
I mean, bigot would be our president. Here we are.
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But but you see, those are those are the things
I saw. I saw so many people who felt about
Trump the same way I did, but thought to themselves, Okay,
but you know what, we're gonna hold our nose and
we're going to vote for him because of the Supreme Court.
And he delivered on that right. He delivered on a
conservative Supreme Court. But in the process we got a
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guy who has no morals. No character was you know,
I had dozens of sexual harassment and assault claims against him,
and frankly promoted a big lie that led to an
insurrection in the US soil, which I you know, I
asked somebody who fled Nicarawa, thought, you know, this happens
in those countries, this is happening in this country. It
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was so hurtful and painful and and shocking to see.
And it's it's amazing to me that people, you know,
we were just talking about denying history. I mean, they're
denying here. You know, we're talking about denying history that
happened a hundred, two hundred years ago. This should happened
six months ago. And then it's on camera. This isn't
like you know, illustrations, black and white illustrations that somebody did.
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By the way, that's another really scary thing. You're talking about.
What are they teaching us in schools. We were looking
at photos in our history books that are in black
and white that were taken fifty years ago that they're
telling us, Oh, this happened so long ago. You're living
so far away from it. No, we're living in the problem.
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And you also said something that's incredible. You're like, well,
you know, I don't want to run for president. If
somebody asked you, what did you do ten years ago,
eleven years ago, I don't know, But why do you care? Like,
excuse me if you want to run for president, Okay,
but then understand the legacy that comes with that, the
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sacrifice that comes with that. And that's why I think,
that's why I get confused that any immigrant would be
would would understand feeding into that kind of hate, because
what an immigrant is is sacrifice, sacrifice for the people
you love, for a better life, for an opportunity, and
all he is is lies and and and I remember,
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like even when I was growing up, we're really young,
talk about like you know, age and how old are we, etcetera.
When was the first election you all voted in. I
voted for Obama? And what an amazing thing to be
able to vote for Obama? Right, it's like unreal second term?
And then you're like, shut up, I didn't vote, you know,
but listen, I didn't vote for Obama. I was very
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critical of Obama. But I never got death threats. Okay,
So you know, so it was a different you could
you could different, I had I had um very pro
Obama Democrat friends, Like I remember, I remember, you know,
being on CNN starting to be I got on CNN
on twelve. So it was the second UM, the second
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Obama UM election, right, it was that twelve election and
Donna Brazil, you know, an African American Democrat strategist and
you know, legend of the Democratic Party, and I would
be on TV arguing quite heated arguments, and then we'd
go and we'd go have wine and oysters because she's
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really the only human alive who can match me oyster
for oystering. And people would be like shocked, Oh wow,
but didn't I just see you all and you know, arguing,
and it's like, yeah, so what you know. I think
that that that that something Donald Trump turned something, ruined it.
He took the class. Okay, That's where I was actually
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getting at that. No matter if we were growing up
and we had people in the family that we're voting
for another, you know, UM candidate, they were still having dinner,
having the conversation, and the next morning kissing each other
on the cheek and having a great day. It didn't
make you lose your best friends. It didn't make you
unfollow people on Instagram. It didn't you know, like that's
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what it's like. It doesn't matter if you're the Democratic Republican.
The fact that we can have the conversation and still
respect and understand that it doesn't define you as a
human being. The problem is is that what Trump represented
was a battle of morality because it key became the
poster child for racism, bigger cheesy aphobia. So a lot
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of people saw his supporters as sup orders of those things.
I think they are, I mean technically because where like,
oh you're so like you're where where's your courage? Right? Like?
What what is your soul worth? Right? Because then after
the fact, now what where are all those people? Do
you think they're proud of themselves or do you think
they don't care? And what's worse, I think they don't care,
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and I think they are proud of themselves, and I
think they want to be back in the White House.
I think power is very intoxicating, and I think you know,
you you give yourself a fig leaf to hide behind
the Supreme Court, uh, Cuba policy, I mean your name it,
find one, you know, tax policy, Find the policy that
you can hide behind the two to justify and defend
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and pretend that you know, the immoral immorality didn't happen.
The first Republican debate in I was sitting at the
at the venue which was in Cleveland. I forget the
name where the Cleveland now where the basketball people play
or Lebron news the what's it called whatever, Cavaliers? I know, Okay,
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so wherever they play, that's where the first the city,
the stadium, that's where the I'm about to get your
lesbian card, but this was so this is where the
first Republican debate is happening. And you'll remember Megan Kelly
asked Trump, you know you call women fat slobs? That
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you know he went through, she went through all this
list of horrible things and he said, yeah, but that's
just Rosy o'donald, and the whole plays, the whole arena
erupted in laughter. And I was holding my phone, uh
you know here, and I it vibrated and I looked
out and it was Rosy O'donald saying to me, I'm
watching this with my children. How do I explain this
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to them? And so those are the type of things
that happened to me right when I saw him. Um,
mock a disabled journalist. I have a disabled brother, and
I grew up watching little kids mimic him and you know,
looking at him and staring at him. But I've never
seen an adult do that much less one trying to,
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you know, be leader of the free world. When when
I heard those acts as Hollywood tapes, I just don't
know how you get past that as a woman or
anybody who loves a woman, because you know, I don't
know a single woman my age who hasn't been sexually harassed,
and so I you know, I just those are things
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that um that to me were were completely unacceptable. Absolutely.
I also just think that making the Oval Office a
setting where those kinds of things are appropriate made America
the laughing stock of the world. Well. I was lucky
enough to see several presidents that, whether I agreed with
them or not, even as a kid, represented respect, representative dignity,
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the dignity, the amount of responsibility that comes with being
the president of this country. And I just saw that
with Trump's tenure that just went completely to ship. Even
when we were watching the gubernatorial debate, I was like
seething with the audience that wouldn't shut up on both
sides on both sides, On both sides, they wouldn't shut
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they were watching, And I'm like, what happened to being
able to be respectful of these kinds of events? Not
only they wouldn't shut up to the point that she
had to go, you guys, please, we can't get it done.
And then what you said about watching the debates, You
what about debate class? Like we were we were raised
to understand when we're communicating, you respect, you don't interrupt.
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How many times have you been interrupted that you're like,
excuse me? You know what I mean? Well, I do
my fair share of interrupting, so do. I'm a bad listener.
But that's not the point. I'm working on it. I
gotta tell you a story though, before because you you
reminded me when you talked about all the different presidents
you've seen. So last year of Obama's presidency, Mom, are
you liking the wine class of Obama's presence? She takes
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after her Mommy, Um, And it's twenty so by then
Trump had one uh and Obama was on his way out.
But it was the Christmas parties. So I call the
White House and I say, listen, I'm not coming back
here for four years. I need to come to one
of the Christmas parties. I don't care which one it is,
because you know, there's different Christmas parties, like there's one
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where they had the donors, there's one for the media,
there's one for Latinos, there's one for this, there's one
for that. And the only date that worked was this
particular day where I go and I didn't know a
single human being, and all of a sudden I hear
this voice and there was Amelia Stepan and I said,
and they took what are you doing here? He said,
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I called the White House and I said, I'm not
coming back here for four years, so you all better
invite me to a Christmas party. And your dad knew
knew everybody who worked at the White House. You know
who he knows more the kitchen staff, because that's what
it means to be a freaking immigrant. He was so
kind and gracious to him. He was, you know, and
it was like his forty something time. Oh you don't
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know the story about Yeah. I think he's one of
the people who's visited the White House the most in history,
him and James Taylor. And by the way, that's what
I'm telling you he has pictures with the bushes and everybody.
Like my dad. You describe being an American in such
a beautiful way. That's what my dad is. He's an American.
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He has a love for what it truly means to
be a patriot, which means like understanding that every this
is a place that everybody came to be free to
build something. And by the way, so before that, when
we were talking about the debate and everything and like
respect right, my mom never had to worry. My mom
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was the kind of person that's like, we're watching the
debate tonight, and I remember growing up. I don't know
about you, because I know your family also like Emily,
didn't care about politics, but your mom is a very
she has like very stern morals and oh yeah, you know,
like if something right exactly. And I remember that my
mom was like open to sharing, you know, what was
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going on in politics with me, regardless of what my
ideas were. She would explain a very young since I
can remember, like she at the same you know, in
the same way that I'm sure you are. She would
always watch the news and debates. It was like an
event and I wanted to be a part of it,
even though I didn't necessarily understand. It was never a
concern for her. Now with my nephew that I'm older,
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it's incredible that we're like worried to bring our children
and like the younger generation into this world of fear
of what's going to be said, what morals are going
to be spread, like we were talking about, because your parents,
you know, your parents fled um communism. I fled communism.
I think when when when you flee political persecution, political strife,
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political violence, you realize that that democracy matters. You don't
take it for granted that being informed, being engaged. You
go one of two ways. Either you want to you
want nothing to do with politics and you're like you know,
in a farm, weaving baskets and growing cannabis. Or you
realize that it matters and that you need to be
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informed and you need to be part of it in
whatever way you know you can. I used to think,
for example, that the gun issue was not my issue.
You know, I don't know anything about guns, I don't
care about guns. Let people who care about this and
who know about this or expert about this, you know,
debated and come up. And then my cousin got killed
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that Pulse. My cousin's son, Jerry Wright, was one of
the you know, one of the victims at Pulse. And
then Parkland happened thirty minutes forty minutes from where we
are today, where we all live. And so I think
we're at a place in America where you have to
ask yourself, when do when do these things become my issue?
When you see what's happening in Miami with the tides,
(34:07):
with the you know, with with the surfside collaption, when
does climate change become my issue? With these monster hurricanes,
with the warmer waters, When does that become my issue?
A A bullet from a mass shooter doesn't care whether
you're a Republican or a Democrat, doesn't care whether you're
Native born or an immigrant, doesn't care whether you're black, white, brown, yellow,
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or anything else. Doesn't care whether you're heater, a Central
or lgbt Q. And so I think that's something that
we all have got to absorb. It's tough because our
generation is the generation who wrote in harambe during the election,
um and you know, I think we generally agree that
social media is probably to be When you wrote that
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in when no, no, not us our generation the first
time that Trump ran I I we personally know people
who did this. Well, right when you write in, they
would write in the gorilla that died as their candidate.
My point being that I don't think that my generation
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cares about politics. I really don't, And I could be
completely wrong, and maybe that the that my my test
pool is wrong. People will post on Instagram on their
story a million times, oh this sucks, but they're not
going to show up to the polls, and they're not
going to watch the debate, and they're not going to
understand what's going on in Florida, even though we're reaping
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the benefit. You know, Like that's the part that's scary
to me that you know, we have two year old
operating an iPhone, right, but like can we sit down
and like under listen to the news. You know that's
the thing. I Yeah, I agree with you, like Ima saying,
I just don't feel or I don't see the follow
through of action. We care about these issues and we'll
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talk about them and we'll even use social media as
the platform to have the selfe about it. But are
you voting? Are you calling? Are you calling your leader.
The turnout is better than than you all think. And
I was listen, one of the reasons that Obama got
elected was the youth. The youth. And it's also because
he appealed to them, because he spoke to them, because
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they campaigned you know, uh. With with that in mind,
so I think, I think no group wants to be
taken for granted. And too often politicians leave it for
you know, leave it for the last six weeks of
an election, and then take you you know, for granted.
And I think one of the successes of the Obama
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campaign was how much they micro targeted so many different
UH communities and and understood that not not every Latino
is the same, not every youth voter is the same,
not every you know, and understood those those microcosums um.
But too many don't do it, and too many, you know,
I can tell you that a you know, Donald Trump
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or Rhanda Santis is counting on young people not showing up.
And how do we depress that vote and how do
we make them jaded? I was last week. I was
in Columbus, Ohio speaking at Dennis In University, and I
was struck by how many young people at that place
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told me they wanted to get into politics, and that
gave me hope because um, because I you know, I
would think that so many young people would be turned
off by what politics has become. Yeah, I don't blame you.
You're one of the people that makes me be turned
onto it, Oh, totally, because you bring a realness and
(37:44):
a freshness that I don't feel and the rest of it,
I feel like people are ponds, people are pretzels. But
let me tell you why why you feel that? Why
I can be myself When you when you're a political hack,
a political operative, when you're you know, when you've worked,
you know, when you life has been politics, you are
pre programmed to be to where one jersey or the other.
(38:06):
And I used to wake up every morning and there
would be I'd have an inbox full of talking points
from the Republican National Committee, from the different campaigns, and
they were all my friends, and they were running campaigns
the election. I wasn't. I didn't like anybody. I wasn't
getting talking points from anybody. I wasn't parenting talking points.
(38:30):
You know how sometimes you go on you you tune
on the news and everybody's saying the same thing. The
same phrase, the same sentence. That's because they're all getting
it from that inbox full of talking points. I didn't
get anything from anybody, and I had to process myself.
I had to process the information and come up with
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where I stood and how I felt myself. And so
in a way, it liberated me from spewing somebody else's
talking point and it was all me and it was
so I think number one. People found could tell and
found it refreshing and it was real talk. And for me,
there was no going back because it was my voice,
(39:13):
not somebody else's voice that I was spewing to get
them elected. And it it freed me to be myself
and call out people even if they were my same jersey,
and commend people even if they were of a different jersey.
You know, it was not about It stopped being about party,
and it was about principles and convictions and policies and
(39:33):
character and morals and country. What the hell is good
for the country. You are in a whole other world, right,
you know you understand, and you've been around a lot
of musicians and this whole world. Do you feel like
it is our responsibility to reflect our political climate, our morals,
the things that we care about, you know, for our children,
(39:57):
for upbringing, for our country. Should we be talking think
about that in art. Do you feel like it's a
responsibility or do you feel like it's a choice. I
feel it's I feel it's a choice, but I feel
it's a choice that needs to be respected. Right, so
you don't lose your citizenship rights because you're a musician.
And so there's some people who you know, who will
walk out of a concert or walk walk out of
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a comedians show when they start talking politics. Well, listen,
if you bought a ticket to go see Wanda Psykes,
you bought a ticket to go see Whoopi Goldberg, if
you bought a ticket to go see Bruce Springsteen, you
know where they stand and and they have a right
as US citizens, so you know you shouldn't. And it's also,
(40:42):
you know, people cherry pick right. So people will say
to Lebron James h shut up and dribble because he
might be saying something that they don't agree with, but
they're okay with Kanye going on an anti Semitic right.
And the same people who are saying shut up and
dribble to Lebron aren't saying to Kanye, shut up and
(41:04):
sink Adidas took too long to drop that, you know what,
way too long because these were anti Semitic remarks. But
he has said things that have been He's even he
said such ignorant. So I don't think I can buy
another another person who made a joke out of an election,
which I think was just to take votes away from Biden.
I know people in our generation that circled Kanye West,
(41:27):
they see it as courageous, which is I think the
lens that a lot of people look at Trump through that.
People that I've spoken to, you know, but he says
the things that we're not that we're all thinking. You know,
he's not a political puppet. He really says what's on
his mind at what cost. Well, I do think he
says what's on his he does, which I think he's
very you know, I think he's there's so many politicians
(41:49):
who say things that they think people want to hear.
I do think Trump says what's on his mind totally.
I think he is uh you know, I mean, it's
like the only honest thing he's about is I think
he tweets and says while he's now kicked off Twitter
thought he came back because of Elon Musk that that
sale hasn't gone through yet, maybe by the time before
(42:10):
they ask, but that sale has uh not gone through yet,
So I, you know, I um, I think it's one
of the appeals. But I you know, I give Trump
credit for convincing folks that he could he he could
really you know, working folks, that he could relate to them.
This is a you know, I don't know if he's
(42:32):
a billionaire, what the hell he he lies so much
about her how much he's worth. But there's a guy
who lose in the in um, you know, in the
tackiest gold gilded peenthouse or you know, or Mara Lava,
which is tacky. He has LDS like major LDS. What
is that little dick syndrome? I thought it was later
(42:52):
a latter day saint, like what he's a Mormon and
I didn't know, No little dick syndrome. It's like the
guy who drives the monster truck and the blaring music,
like come on, dude, assert your masculinity elsewhere. Okay, you
you you you you can have that. I don't even
want I want to raise that image from my mind
(43:12):
immediately bleach my mind. I literally cannot believe l DS
is that. I thought it was latter Days saying something
processing this. Oh my god, z is at church. I
swear to God, No, I know ruined. I'm sorry. I'm
(43:33):
sorry if we ever hear Anna Navarro say l DS,
we know where it came from. Welcome back, guys. I
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hope this flight is treating you will and you are
still stripped in because I know you're flying around at
this point, I'm fine around. Really is a pleasure to
have you here. Being able to communicate with people, That's
another thing. Like I know it's a little bit of
an outdated thing, but I feel like women are silenced
a lot of We're made to be a joke or
like if we speak a certain way where when yeah,
(44:16):
you're right, I just made that up. But Nancy Pelosi
is a Speaker of the House, Kamala Harris is a
vice president, even though she gets unjustly. You know what,
I think that it is. I think that us like
from where I'm at, I'm so like, I don't want
to take the consolation. I'm sorry. Women should be running
this country, we should be in charge of it. We
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should be at least equal. Like, Okay, I get it.
It's great, I get it. It's a step forward, but
it doesn't excite me as much as you think it does. Like, yes, amazing,
but like I'm sorry, we have so much more to go.
That's why I get it. It's amazing, incredible, But like
all these years and we haven't had a female president,
(44:59):
are you kidding me? Which is why you have to
get all your friends to vote. But that's what I'm saying,
that's what concerns me. You want you're you're upset, right,
if you're upset, then follow the trail. Let's do it.
Let's get it. Listen. And you know in your lifetime
you've seen you saw. Well, in my lifetime, I saw
(45:20):
the first Supreme Court justice woman, Supreme Court No Sandrena.
I I saw the first woman, Sandra Day O'Connor. Today.
You know, uh, you know, as we speak, so to
mayora is there? I mean you could agree with them
or not. And when it comes to to ideology, god knows,
you know, but you know, Kagan is there. So the
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mayor is there? Uh, Katangi is there? And what's her name?
The handmaid? Um Amy Coomy Barrett is there, you know.
So you know, four out of the nine are women.
That's you know, a huge two of those women, one
is a Latino, one is African America and from Miami. Um.
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And so you know, so I understand your impatience, and
I celebrate your impatience because we should be demanding more,
and we should be, but we should also celebrate the
strides and not take them, you know, for granted. I agree,
I agree, and I don't want to take it for
granted at all, because up until recently, I thought it
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was just normal and happenstance that men run this world.
I wasn't as as young as I am. I wasn't
raised in a world that I felt empowered by women
as young as I am. I didn't see gay women
on TV shows. When that would happen, it would be
a weird thing, it would be bad or catered to
the man's I think that it was was ellen a
(46:46):
big deal in your life. I think that you we
talk about a lot how the male perspective in this
world is very sexualized, right, It's all about like, oh,
grab this and this, and they're beautiful and miss universe
and like were these objects and whatever, right, any little
crack that's opening the door for women is a huge deal. Right.
(47:09):
But we're so much more than the light we're portrayed in,
you know. And that's where my impatience comes from. Good
you should be impatience, yes, but it gets me in
trouble too, and I think that that's where we no, no, no, listen,
hold onto your impatience. And there's nothing worse than complace.
People don't listen to you if you're really angry, like true,
like I've been in moments jem will tell you where
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a man has challenged me. And I've let my anger
and my emotions overcome my message. But how do you
not be angry? You see? I I I want to
stay angry because I think angry. One of my fears
is that we get numb to the outrageous things happening,
to the offensive things happening, that we just shrug our
(47:52):
shoulders and say, oh, that's just how it is, that's
just Trump being trouble. I'm I'm never going to get
tired of calling out you know, offensive behavior, of calling
out racism, of calling out discrimination, of calling out homophobia,
because the moment we stop being angry and we stopped
being outraged. That that's you know, that's the moment we
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lose kind of like the fire in the belly the
but the energy I want to be. I want to
be angry and outraged and pissed and motivated, you know.
Use that as my my fuel until you know, until
the day Oh I take my last breath. Here's my
loop though, like we just started, like we're about to end.
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You guys had Ted Cruz on the show. Right at
the end of the episode, you gave everybody in the
audience the book, right? Was that? Is that necessary? And
that was my question? So my question is, Okay, we're angry,
we're this, we're that, And I agree, I that this
is why I'm telling you, and I'm being honest and vulnerable.
I get angry and I don't want to hear what
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you have to say because because I don't, I think
that it's both ship. If you're telling me, oh, you're
a woman, you can't play percussion, you can't vote, you
can't I'm gonna be like, fuck you. I don't want
to listen to what you have to say. But then
where's my chance to convince that person? So I agree,
Like I actually was really happy you guys had Ted
Cruise on the show. He's like, I love that we
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can talk and not be angry, right, and then he
was angry, and then and then he was angry, and
then he was combative and came to pick a fight. Okay,
because that's what they do. They come to pick a
fight with you know, the liberals on the View, so
then they can go on Fox News and complain about
being victimized by boo hoo. Look how badly I was
(49:39):
treated by these you know women on on the View,
which makes you ask the question, really, and you're gonna
stand up to Puttin, you can't stand up to Whoopie.
But the reason you give away the book is because, um,
because the publishers give it away. And so look, I
suspect a lot of the people who got the look.
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I left the book for free. And you know, if
if anybody wants it to shred and use it in
their little box, DM me. So we have this conversation
a lot Emily and I about giving people a platform.
In the same vein, we have the conversation about having
these necessary conversations, being able to get somebody like Ted
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Cruise in the room and asking him the questions that
we were all thinking. There were a lot of people
you can hear them in the audience who weren't very
pleased that Ted was even on the view to begin with.
How do you feel about that kind of battle? Like?
Where is the line between we need to have these
conversations with the other side, I say, the other side,
but really we're all in the same side at the
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other side. We need to have these important conversations with
people who don't agree with us, who people who represent
other ideals. But at the same time, do we really
want to give them an opportunity to continue to spread
their message? Where what are your thoughts? I'm torn about it. Um,
I'm torn about it. I'm not dogmatic on one side
or the other. Look I think, um, I think that
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if you're presenting, if you are allowing the other side
to you know, if you're allowing somebody to be there,
but you are challenging the lies, you are challenging the magoguery. Uh,
you're you know, challenging the divisiveness and the stupidity, and
you're countering it. If you're challenging it, I think that's
(51:29):
a good thing. If you're you know, just sitting there
and not fact checking it and not you know, and
not giving it something. Then I don't think that's a
good thing. Look, I'm I'm I'm very against um things
like the spread of misinformation online, which I think is
a huge problem, huge problem with our community in particular.
(51:51):
When I say our community, I mean latinos um, you know,
And I I think that's something that needs to be
that social media platforms have to do more about. But
you know, when you when the view has Ted Cruise on,
you know that most of the people on that panel
would not vote for Ted Cruise if you know, we
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had a gun pointed to our heads, which if we
voted in Texas we might. But you know, so I
think it's you know, there's a recognition that this is
not you know, this is not a rubber stamp. We're
just not gonna let you get away with saying anything
or everything. But we're also trying not to talk in
(52:34):
an echo chamber and to be represent I mean, listen,
whether we like it or not, he gets elected and
re elected whether we like it or not, People like
Ted Cruise On, Donald Trump and Marco Ruby and Lindsey
Graham and all of those you know, they represent a
fractionary segment of America, and so you you know, I
(52:56):
don't think ignoring that, ignoring all of that, that swath
of people gets you, uh anywhere, because they're in Congress,
they're in power. They you know, they have they have
platforms about it and learned to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I get very offended and like being able to have
(53:19):
a conversation and not get offended. Also being Latina, like
you grow up, I remember political conversations happening around the
dinner table every night, you know. But the bottom line
is that at the end of the day, you're still family,
and like you mentioned, I feel like that's what America is,
where this big melting pot of cultures, of countries, of ideas.
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But if we forget how to talk to each other,
then we're nothing. So I thank you for that. Yeah, well,
thank you guys for inviting me today. Have we landed?
Am I going to get off and outer space? Well
you will get out and you'll be sucked out of
the gonna inject to you. But really, Anna, you you
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represent something really important and refreshing. And you know, aside
from being hilarious and having me and Emily dying in
the last in tears of some of the things. First
of all, your props. We touched a little bit about
it before we started recording. We have to get her
the tiny Honestly, I feel like we should give it
to her. You know what, I not that? Will you
(54:27):
give us the moon music? We're going to play. All right,
ladies and gentlemen, this is now. I don't know a
tiny violence. We night you. You can have it an
it's yours. Oh my god, you don't understand I'm taking this.
You know you can have it. Having it. I really
think it was meant for you. I was just holding
onto it until this moment. What did you guys get
(54:48):
this thing? It doesn't matter. The point is that it's yours. Yeah,
thank you. This is the best thing I've ever gottens
nex to my mail file and my pap. If you
whip that out on CNN, I will literally tattoo you
on me. I will. I will whip it out somewhere.
So there you go. Get ready, all right, red, alright, guys,
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(55:35):
only for you, for your children, for your grandparents and everybody.
And go out there and vote, because we're not going
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see mail nice and tight today on in our own world,
we are flying fast, We're flying honest, we're flying true.
We have the one, the only Navarro on in our
own world. Baby, very excited. And this is as close
as paces I'm gonna get because I'm never gonna play
elon musk two d and fifty dollars to go on
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anything he's built. You don't want to find in his rocket. Knew,
I'll fly on a penuts, but not on his rocket.
O not not anything were related to him, by the way.
I just I think he's very weird. Oh you'll fit
in here though. We're very weird, but in a very
different way. And before we dive into this flight, all right,
(01:17):
we just have one question to ask you, mutual question,
maybe the only real important question all episode. How do
you sit down with all so big? Because really we
want to know you. Are Are you comfortable? Listen? They
they're they're cushions. No, for real, I think that in
(01:43):
this day and age, right, especially us young people. Yes
we're young year old, get used to it, but just kidding.
But you represent just cutting to the point, the honesty,
the real truth. And I feel like a lot of
people are pretending that that's where we need to be,
but they don't actually speak on it because they're afraid,
afraid of the consequences what it actually means to put
(02:04):
yourself on the line and represent something. I aspire to
be like you. Jem has inspired me to be more
like the two of you because she's an honest home
all right, and sometimes it's hard to be honest. But
you represent a voice that we all hear in our
head that a lot of people are afraid to go to.
So thank you. I'm honored you're here, and jut out
(02:25):
will thank you for being here. Thank you, thank you.
I'm so excited to be with you. Guys. You know what,
you know how much I love your family and how
much they mean to me culturally. Um and um. We
do ship for each other. We show up for each other,
and that's just the way it is. Amen. We love you,
(02:46):
We've loved you for a very long time. Speaking of
which you said, we stick together, we're family, etcetera. That's
something that also I love about the Latino community. Latino
community that also become Americans, right because we're all at
the know, but we're all really proud Americans. And that's
something that I love. And I see also between you
and my parents and us, all that we honor where
(03:07):
we come from and we love where we come from,
but we're very proud Americans and understand the sacrifices that
it takes to be here and be free the way
that we are. And something that I love is always
says oh oh yeah, he said, you know, so like
how did you make that choice? I know that you
(03:29):
say a lot that you were eight years old, right,
and you've said I've I'm a Republican since I'm eight
years old, you know, like nobody can take that away
from me. How did that happen? Right? Like? What is
your story that made you feel that way? Because I
was born here and my connection with my grandma is
so fierce and so strong that I'm not going to Cuba.
(03:51):
There's no way I'm going to Cuba, and I'm not
maybe yes, but there's something deeper than that, And I'm curious,
like what do you think that is? Why are we
so connected to our homeland that some of us can't
even touch, you know. I think part of it is
actually for us, is living in Miami, right where there's
a constant influx of new people who are building on
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and coming under the same, more similar circumstances than people
who came before them. Right. So, Cubans came in the sixties,
Nikarawan's came in the eighties. Venezuelans are coming now, fleeing
from the same shit, right, the same cancer of communism
and dictatorship and human rights violations and fleeing. And so
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I think I think part of living in Miami is
staying connected, because how can you not stay connected when
there's Cubans showing up on rafts on your beaches. How
can you not stay connected when you know, when when
you turn on the local news and our local news
is international news, and you know, and you see the
the earthquakes happening in Haiti, and you see the tragedies
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happening all over the place. And so I think that
keeps us connected. I think the music keeps us connected.
I think the food keeps us connected. The family values
um and and the fact that you know, in Miami
we can live on the hyphen, right, you can be
Latino American, you can be Cuban American, you can be
in a karata American, and you can be whatever the
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hell you want, and you can live on that hyphen
comfortably and and not feel like anybody's squeezing you to
be one thing or the other. And the other thing
about Miami is and if they don't like it, we
don't care. I mean, we really don't care. Right, So,
like I remember when there was this congressman who lost,
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thank God, because he was such an ass um But
frankly of being being an ass got you kicked out
of Congress, would be left with nobody. But this guy
came and he said, you know, he referred to Miami
as a third world country. And you think, oh good,
wine just showed up. Because when I came here and said,
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how come glory, I got booze and I'm getting water,
we couldn't do that to you. So I you know,
I think we're so proud of who we are. You know,
I think sometimes and sometimes in different countries and in
different parts even of this country, people feel compelled to
and pressure to assimilate, whatever that means. And sometimes in
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the process of assimilating, you lose your language, you lose
your traditions, you lose your heritage, you lose your culture.
And I think, um, you know, I think there's been
a shift, particularly in the last few years, where there's
this pride. Right. It's interesting that you say that I'm
not because we have those conversations with our friends and
our generation. Um, I think that a lot of immigrant fans,
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how young exactly are you? All were millennials, we count
as millennials. Okay, wait, bring out your strata areas. But
we have a lot of friends who are first generation
Americans or second generation Americans who don't speak Spanish, who
their parents came here and they felt they needed to assimilate,
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and they thought, well, let me try to whitewash as
much as I can while I'm raising my child. And
now those kids are a little bit detached from the culture.
Then there's people like Emily and I who were really
blessed and fortunate to have family and parents who encouraged
us to be proud of our culture. But even I myself,
I went to through a period of time where I
kind of like rejected my Latin nous, probably because I
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thought it was uncool and now older, I guess probably
since my twenties. If it's something I couldn't be prouder of.
Where is your family from Cuban? Okay, so you're both Cuban.
You see when I when I came here in the eighties, Um,
they should had hit the fannel over Latin America much
like today. Again unfortunately and so um I went to
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the same good Heart here and um, frankly, there were
more There were more girls in the English is a
second language course than then there were in a normal English,
which is why I speak like this. And you know, people,
I have to tell you this story, Emily. So I
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literally did not know I had an accent. You're not
supposed to laugh, bitch. So I didn't know I had
an accent. And then when Twitter comes on and I'm
you know, I'm on National TV, the people who loved
me would tweet me about my sexy Latina accent, and
the people who hated me would tell me to go
back to you know, eat another burrito and go back
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to Mexico. Of course I'm not from and and you know,
if I'm going to go back to Mexico, I'm not
going to eat a burrito because they don't make him
in Mexico. But anyways, so I had no idea I
had an accent, and I you know, and I would
say to people, what do you mean I have an accent?
Have you ever heard of meeting a step Maybe Ali
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don't know have an accent? You know exactly what he's saying. Okay, baby,
both I would I low you. But how about people
that guy was born here, like you know your dad
and I have an excuse people from Hialeah. I think
there's in Miami accent totally, there is, right, and I learned.
I learned it too once I left Miami. I was like, oh, whoops,
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I'm proud of it. Though some right wing guy was
trying to u I guess attack me once and he said, oh,
do you only use that fake Sophia Vergara accent on TV?
I'm like, wait, you think I'm faking this? Okay? I
actually really quickly, I want to share something and I
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was thinking about taking it to social media and Jem
was encouraging me. And I'm actually beating myself up that
I didn't. But this is a great time to mention it.
We do our nails. You're talking about Miami and assimilation
and all that stuff. Jim calls me me North Cuba,
and it's true because you come here a lot of
people that speak English and they're like, how come everyone
speaks Spanish. I'm like, because this is a melting pot.
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Normally we're in Florida. Let's not forget that we are
dealing with some of the craziest in position on our rights.
Some of the like I'm afraid Florida scares me, but
when we're in Miami, it doesn't feel like the rest
of Florida. What part scares you is that this new
culture war on LGBTQ. Like no, actually, like, for example,
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we should scary no, no, no, no, excuse me, sorry,
I'm so sorry. It's scared like the the Drag Queen
beat all that ship. It hits close to home. But
like we're talking about family and Latino culture. I'm like,
if we have a daughter or a son, right, oh,
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because she's so freaking cute. No, but for real, like
because for example, okay, Rob Wade, right, when we if
we hopefully decide to have a child, however we do that,
like we have to think about it either adoption, egg
Et cetera. It's not something that can happen by accident.
Right If we have a daughter, what about her rights?
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That's my fear, Like, what world are we leaving behind?
I already have freaking gray hairs. This ship is not cool,
Like I'm gonna be gone before I even notice. I'm
worried about what's left behind. That's what scares me. So
like being in Florida, you see it and you're like, damn,
I'm in Florida. But we're in Miami, so I don't
feel it except for the first time in my life.
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The other day, you see things on TikTok on Instagram
and you're like, that's terrible, that's terrible. I don't say that.
I'm like, damn, I wish one of those things happened
in front of me. I'd be the wrong one. And
the other day it did. We were at the nail salon,
which a lot of those people literally the woman who's
doing my nail, she got here from Cuba, what four
months ago, three months ago? Something like that doesn't speak English,
is trying to take classes, you know, like trying to
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figure it out. But hello, she she doesn't. So I'm
there and she's doing my feet, and um, this gentleman
walks in already with this aggressive energy and he comes
right up to the technician who's doing my feet and goes, hey,
does Rebecca still work here? And she's like, I p
on like you know in He's like, oh, you need
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a translator. Now, somebody's gonna translate for you. How come
everywhere you go in Miami you have to have a
translator for you. You don't understand what I'm saying. And
I'm like, sir, sir, I will translate for you. And
I'm like, you're being extremely rude. You're in Miami, like
you're walking in asking her for help, you know, and
I'm trying to help you. The least thing you can
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do is have some respect. And you know you said
something when you were telling it. First of all, good
for you for standing up, right, we should all be
standing up, and we should all be standing up for
each other. What I think people don't understand is that
people who hate don't care who they hate, right, So
the same I assure you that most of the people
who are anti Semitic are also anti gay, and are
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also anti Latino, and are also anti black, And so
the we understand, yeah, and are also ignorant assets. But
the quicker, we understand that we gotta stick together and
we gotta stand up for each other, and that you know,
an attack against a a PI is an attack against
us because they're coming for us at some point. And
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you know when it really bothered me. I don't know
if you guys saw it. Um a few weeks ago,
last week, a few days ago, these Latino council members,
county council members in l A County who were who
were caught on you know, on a on a guest
recording saying some really racist things. And that is so
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stupid because too often, too often people manipulate us. And uh,
you know, there's people who use different minority communities as
pawns to divide us, to pit us against each other,
to compete for the same small piece of pie. Whereas
you know, we got together, we can demand a bigger
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piece of pie and just be stronger. And I so,
I you know, that reminds me. We saw the gubernatorial
debate between Chris and the Satan and um, and uh,
one of the things that that the Santis was talking
about was that the US is not built on stolen land,
and I kind of sat there and I was like,
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am I on drugs? At a certain point, when you're
watching the media, you have to ask yourself, like I'm
being so ghastly, I must be the crazy one, or
like I thought we all knew that we were, that
we built this on stolen land, built by stolen people.
I don't understand. So, Okay, the Seminoles were here before
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anybody else was, and you know, they were conquered by Spaniards.
That's why it's called floty. That it's not called Connecticut
or New York. It's called La Floty because it was,
you know, conquered by Spaniards, and um, you know in
the Makasuki we're here and so I I don't understand
how you deny history, right, I mean, every country has
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good moments and bad moments in their history. Every country
has things to be proud of and things to be
ashamed of. Totally just we You know, it doesn't mean
that you're perennially that you're always permanently ashamed of it,
but you you know, you've got you've gotta admitted. I mean,
you face it. They've got restiations, dude, and vote you know.
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I mean all of those all those Native Americans in
Florida who who live in this you know, have a
right to vote, and they should exercise it, and they
should exercise it. Does those people who want to erase
them from history? Springsteen Bruce Springsteen, he said, really, the
thing that he loves most about democracy is not thinking
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that it's perfect. It's knowing that there are things to
fix about it. Understanding that democracy means hard work, means
talking to people you don't agree with and moving forward.
And that's the thing that's crazy to me. We go
back to the Native Americans and everything, all of us
that are fighting, that are down each other's throats. There
are politicians that you talked to that you're like, and
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where's your dad from? You know what I mean? Like
what they forget they have? Like actually, Ted Cruz was
on the view. Oh we saw we saw that, and
I had that question ready to be my next but
I couldn't get to it because he was getting heckled
so hard that I couldn't get to my second question.
But you know, he is commending governors like the Santists
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and and and the Abbot from Texas for sending immigrants
to Martha's vineyard and the Vice President's house or whatever
you want. But you know, the funny thing is Ted
Cruz's father, who was a supporter of Fidel early on.
Many Cubans were young Cubans were at the time fled
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but these stuff came here and asked for political asylum,
and that's how he became legal, which is exactly what
the Venezuelans that are getting sent to Martha's Vineyard are doing,
you know, and which is exactly what my family. And
so how what do we need? What kind of hypocrite?
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What kind of ungrateful hypocrite do you need to be?
Two command using people as political pawns who are fleeing
the exact same circumstance and uh, you know, using the
exact same legal methods that your father did or that
you know you did. I just I don't understand that part.
And it and it pains me to see that so
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many um, so many Latinos, so many Hispanics in Florida
supported people seem to forget, you know, people seem to
forget when there was compassion towards them. I completely agree
with you. It was a political play. It was a
waste of Florida tax dollars. But I think that beyond that,
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what's scarier is the display of a lack of humanity,
the lack of use the word that I was thinking, compassion.
Like these people, we know the horrors they must have
gone through, even to just set foot on our land,
to then be picked up and thrown around like if
they were beneath you know, less than human um. And
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I think that's something that we're seeing in general in
the political climate, just like the lack of recognition for
we're human beings. At the end of the day, it
doesn't matter what are our different opinions are. We have
to hold space for each other in that way. And
I did want to ask you, and I'm glad that
you mentioned Florida Hispanics. Um, you're a Republican, you identify Republican,
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you always have, but you're very critical of the Republican Party.
And I love that about you because I think that's
what it takes, is people within our own parties being
able to point fingers and say we can do better
than this. How do you feel about the Cuban American
Republicans who agree with a lot of this, who are
like the you know, the Maga Republicans who forget themselves
that they just arrived probably recently, and that we're granted,
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you know, special privileges because Cubans had special privileges in
order to be here. Well, they're still granted special privileges.
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It's called for Drive policy, the Cuban Adjustment Act, which
applies only to Cubans. Cubans. Look, it's um, my positions
have cost me, uh, friendships, long time friendships of people
who I thought I was going to we were going
to die as friends. Um, that's not seeing people. Yeah,
it does. Because when when friendships depend on agreeing on
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politician or not, that's not much of a friendship, you know,
I've learned that. Um, I'm I'm mortified, and I'm embarrassed
by some in our community, particularly some of the elected
officials you know. And I'm and I name names right,
I mean, it's it's horrific to see what Marco Rubio
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has become. I remember when he was on the cover
of magazines as the Republican Savior. Today he's like an
irrelevant has been with a you know, dry mouth problem.
And part of it is because people recognize, you know,
when when somebody's being a Lackey. And it's not just Florida, right,
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it's Lindsey Graham and South Carolina, it's Ted Cruising. I mean,
it's so embarrassing that these people are twisting themselves into
you know, I like, but I think it's embarrassing. I
think it's cost people. You know, you shouldn't put your
political career ahead of your principles and your conscience because um,
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because then you lose your identity and who are your serving? Yeah,
or you're serving your political career, right. I mean, I
I never thought Marco Ruby would be in the Senate
this long. I thought he would either go do other
things or you know, and I think he did too,
or or go be president, be our first Latina president.
I mean, bigot would be our president. Here we are.
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But but you see, those are those are the things
I saw. I saw so many people who felt about
Trump the same way I did, but thought to themselves, Okay,
but you know what, we're gonna hold our nose and
we're going to vote for him because of the Supreme Court.
And he delivered on that right. He delivered on a
conservative Supreme Court. But in the process we got a
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guy who has no morals. No character was you know,
I had dozens of sexual harassment and assault claims against him,
and frankly promoted a big lie that led to an
insurrection in the US soil, which I you know, I
asked somebody who fled Nicarawa, thought, you know, this happens
in those countries, this is happening in this country. It
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was so hurtful and painful and and shocking to see.
And it's it's amazing to me that people, you know,
we were just talking about denying history. I mean, they're
denying here. You know, we're talking about denying history that
happened a hundred, two hundred years ago. This should happened
six months ago. And then it's on camera. This isn't
like you know, illustrations, black and white illustrations that somebody did.
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By the way, that's another really scary thing. You're talking about.
What are they teaching us in schools. We were looking
at photos in our history books that are in black
and white that were taken fifty years ago that they're
telling us, Oh, this happened so long ago. You're living
so far away from it. No, we're living in the problem.
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And you also said something that's incredible. You're like, well,
you know, I don't want to run for president. If
somebody asked you, what did you do ten years ago,
eleven years ago, I don't know, But why do you care? Like,
excuse me if you want to run for president, Okay,
but then understand the legacy that comes with that, the
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sacrifice that comes with that. And that's why I think,
that's why I get confused that any immigrant would be
would would understand feeding into that kind of hate, because
what an immigrant is is sacrifice, sacrifice for the people
you love, for a better life, for an opportunity, and
all he is is lies and and and I remember,
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like even when I was growing up, we're really young,
talk about like you know, age and how old are we, etcetera.
When was the first election you all voted in. I
voted for Obama? And what an amazing thing to be
able to vote for Obama? Right, it's like unreal second term?
And then you're like, shut up, I didn't vote, you know,
but listen, I didn't vote for Obama. I was very
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critical of Obama. But I never got death threats. Okay,
So you know, so it was a different you could
you could different, I had I had um very pro
Obama Democrat friends, Like I remember, I remember, you know,
being on CNN starting to be I got on CNN
on twelve. So it was the second UM, the second
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Obama UM election, right, it was that twelve election and
Donna Brazil, you know, an African American Democrat strategist and
you know, legend of the Democratic Party, and I would
be on TV arguing quite heated arguments, and then we'd
go and we'd go have wine and oysters because she's
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really the only human alive who can match me oyster
for oystering. And people would be like shocked, Oh wow,
but didn't I just see you all and you know, arguing,
and it's like, yeah, so what you know. I think
that that that that something Donald Trump turned something, ruined it.
He took the class. Okay, That's where I was actually
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getting at that. No matter if we were growing up
and we had people in the family that we're voting
for another, you know, UM candidate, they were still having dinner,
having the conversation, and the next morning kissing each other
on the cheek and having a great day. It didn't
make you lose your best friends. It didn't make you
unfollow people on Instagram. It didn't you know, like that's
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what it's like. It doesn't matter if you're the Democratic Republican.
The fact that we can have the conversation and still
respect and understand that it doesn't define you as a
human being. The problem is is that what Trump represented
was a battle of morality because it key became the
poster child for racism, bigger cheesy aphobia. So a lot
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of people saw his supporters as sup orders of those things.
I think they are, I mean technically because where like,
oh you're so like you're where where's your courage? Right? Like?
What what is your soul worth? Right? Because then after
the fact, now what where are all those people? Do
you think they're proud of themselves or do you think
they don't care? And what's worse, I think they don't care,
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and I think they are proud of themselves, and I
think they want to be back in the White House.
I think power is very intoxicating, and I think you know,
you you give yourself a fig leaf to hide behind
the Supreme Court, uh, Cuba policy, I mean your name it,
find one, you know, tax policy, Find the policy that
you can hide behind the two to justify and defend
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and pretend that you know, the immoral immorality didn't happen.
The first Republican debate in I was sitting at the
at the venue which was in Cleveland. I forget the
name where the Cleveland now where the basketball people play
or Lebron news the what's it called whatever, Cavaliers? I know, Okay,
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so wherever they play, that's where the first the city,
the stadium, that's where the I'm about to get your
lesbian card, but this was so this is where the
first Republican debate is happening. And you'll remember Megan Kelly
asked Trump, you know you call women fat slobs? That
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you know he went through, she went through all this
list of horrible things and he said, yeah, but that's
just Rosy o'donald, and the whole plays, the whole arena
erupted in laughter. And I was holding my phone, uh
you know here, and I it vibrated and I looked
out and it was Rosy O'donald saying to me, I'm
watching this with my children. How do I explain this
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to them? And so those are the type of things
that happened to me right when I saw him. Um,
mock a disabled journalist. I have a disabled brother, and
I grew up watching little kids mimic him and you know,
looking at him and staring at him. But I've never
seen an adult do that much less one trying to,
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you know, be leader of the free world. When when
I heard those acts as Hollywood tapes, I just don't
know how you get past that as a woman or
anybody who loves a woman, because you know, I don't
know a single woman my age who hasn't been sexually harassed,
and so I you know, I just those are things
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that um that to me were were completely unacceptable. Absolutely.
I also just think that making the Oval Office a
setting where those kinds of things are appropriate made America
the laughing stock of the world. Well. I was lucky
enough to see several presidents that, whether I agreed with
them or not, even as a kid, represented respect, representative dignity,
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the dignity, the amount of responsibility that comes with being
the president of this country. And I just saw that
with Trump's tenure that just went completely to ship. Even
when we were watching the gubernatorial debate, I was like
seething with the audience that wouldn't shut up on both
sides on both sides, On both sides, they wouldn't shut
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they were watching, And I'm like, what happened to being
able to be respectful of these kinds of events? Not
only they wouldn't shut up to the point that she
had to go, you guys, please, we can't get it done.
And then what you said about watching the debates, You
what about debate class? Like we were we were raised
to understand when we're communicating, you respect, you don't interrupt.
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How many times have you been interrupted that you're like,
excuse me? You know what I mean? Well, I do
my fair share of interrupting, so do. I'm a bad listener.
But that's not the point. I'm working on it. I
gotta tell you a story though, before because you you
reminded me when you talked about all the different presidents
you've seen. So last year of Obama's presidency, Mom, are
you liking the wine class of Obama's presence? She takes
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after her Mommy, Um, And it's twenty so by then
Trump had one uh and Obama was on his way out.
But it was the Christmas parties. So I call the
White House and I say, listen, I'm not coming back
here for four years. I need to come to one
of the Christmas parties. I don't care which one it is,
because you know, there's different Christmas parties, like there's one
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where they had the donors, there's one for the media,
there's one for Latinos, there's one for this, there's one
for that. And the only date that worked was this
particular day where I go and I didn't know a
single human being, and all of a sudden I hear
this voice and there was Amelia Stepan and I said,
and they took what are you doing here? He said,
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I called the White House and I said, I'm not
coming back here for four years, so you all better
invite me to a Christmas party. And your dad knew
knew everybody who worked at the White House. You know
who he knows more the kitchen staff, because that's what
it means to be a freaking immigrant. He was so
kind and gracious to him. He was, you know, and
it was like his forty something time. Oh you don't
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know the story about Yeah. I think he's one of
the people who's visited the White House the most in history,
him and James Taylor. And by the way, that's what
I'm telling you he has pictures with the bushes and everybody.
Like my dad. You describe being an American in such
a beautiful way. That's what my dad is. He's an American.
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He has a love for what it truly means to
be a patriot, which means like understanding that every this
is a place that everybody came to be free to
build something. And by the way, so before that, when
we were talking about the debate and everything and like
respect right, my mom never had to worry. My mom
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was the kind of person that's like, we're watching the
debate tonight, and I remember growing up. I don't know
about you, because I know your family also like Emily,
didn't care about politics, but your mom is a very
she has like very stern morals and oh yeah, you know,
like if something right exactly. And I remember that my
mom was like open to sharing, you know, what was
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going on in politics with me, regardless of what my
ideas were. She would explain a very young since I
can remember, like she at the same you know, in
the same way that I'm sure you are. She would
always watch the news and debates. It was like an
event and I wanted to be a part of it,
even though I didn't necessarily understand. It was never a
concern for her. Now with my nephew that I'm older,
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it's incredible that we're like worried to bring our children
and like the younger generation into this world of fear
of what's going to be said, what morals are going
to be spread, like we were talking about, because your parents,
you know, your parents fled um communism. I fled communism.
I think when when when you flee political persecution, political strife,
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political violence, you realize that that democracy matters. You don't
take it for granted that being informed, being engaged. You
go one of two ways. Either you want to you
want nothing to do with politics and you're like you know,
in a farm, weaving baskets and growing cannabis. Or you
realize that it matters and that you need to be
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informed and you need to be part of it in
whatever way you know you can. I used to think,
for example, that the gun issue was not my issue.
You know, I don't know anything about guns, I don't
care about guns. Let people who care about this and
who know about this or expert about this, you know,
debated and come up. And then my cousin got killed
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that Pulse. My cousin's son, Jerry Wright, was one of
the you know, one of the victims at Pulse. And
then Parkland happened thirty minutes forty minutes from where we
are today, where we all live. And so I think
we're at a place in America where you have to
ask yourself, when do when do these things become my issue?
When you see what's happening in Miami with the tides,
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with the you know, with with the surfside collaption, when
does climate change become my issue? With these monster hurricanes,
with the warmer waters, When does that become my issue?
A A bullet from a mass shooter doesn't care whether
you're a Republican or a Democrat, doesn't care whether you're
Native born or an immigrant, doesn't care whether you're black, white, brown, yellow,
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or anything else. Doesn't care whether you're heater, a Central
or lgbt Q. And so I think that's something that
we all have got to absorb. It's tough because our
generation is the generation who wrote in harambe during the election,
um and you know, I think we generally agree that
social media is probably to be When you wrote that
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in when no, no, not us our generation the first
time that Trump ran I I we personally know people
who did this. Well, right when you write in, they
would write in the gorilla that died as their candidate.
My point being that I don't think that my generation
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cares about politics. I really don't, And I could be
completely wrong, and maybe that the that my my test
pool is wrong. People will post on Instagram on their
story a million times, oh this sucks, but they're not
going to show up to the polls, and they're not
going to watch the debate, and they're not going to
understand what's going on in Florida, even though we're reaping
(35:34):
the benefit. You know, Like that's the part that's scary
to me that you know, we have two year old
operating an iPhone, right, but like can we sit down
and like under listen to the news. You know that's
the thing. I Yeah, I agree with you, like Ima saying,
I just don't feel or I don't see the follow
through of action. We care about these issues and we'll
(35:54):
talk about them and we'll even use social media as
the platform to have the selfe about it. But are
you voting? Are you calling? Are you calling your leader.
The turnout is better than than you all think. And
I was listen, one of the reasons that Obama got
elected was the youth. The youth. And it's also because
he appealed to them, because he spoke to them, because
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they campaigned you know, uh. With with that in mind,
so I think, I think no group wants to be
taken for granted. And too often politicians leave it for
you know, leave it for the last six weeks of
an election, and then take you you know, for granted.
And I think one of the successes of the Obama
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campaign was how much they micro targeted so many different
UH communities and and understood that not not every Latino
is the same, not every youth voter is the same,
not every you know, and understood those those microcosums um.
But too many don't do it, and too many, you know,
I can tell you that a you know, Donald Trump
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or Rhanda Santis is counting on young people not showing up.
And how do we depress that vote and how do
we make them jaded? I was last week. I was
in Columbus, Ohio speaking at Dennis In University, and I
was struck by how many young people at that place
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told me they wanted to get into politics, and that
gave me hope because um, because I you know, I
would think that so many young people would be turned
off by what politics has become. Yeah, I don't blame you.
You're one of the people that makes me be turned
onto it, Oh, totally, because you bring a realness and
(37:44):
a freshness that I don't feel and the rest of it,
I feel like people are ponds, people are pretzels. But
let me tell you why why you feel that? Why
I can be myself When you when you're a political hack,
a political operative, when you're you know, when you've worked,
you know, when you life has been politics, you are
pre programmed to be to where one jersey or the other.
(38:06):
And I used to wake up every morning and there
would be I'd have an inbox full of talking points
from the Republican National Committee, from the different campaigns, and
they were all my friends, and they were running campaigns
the election. I wasn't. I didn't like anybody. I wasn't
getting talking points from anybody. I wasn't parenting talking points.
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You know how sometimes you go on you you tune
on the news and everybody's saying the same thing. The
same phrase, the same sentence. That's because they're all getting
it from that inbox full of talking points. I didn't
get anything from anybody, and I had to process myself.
I had to process the information and come up with
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where I stood and how I felt myself. And so
in a way, it liberated me from spewing somebody else's
talking point and it was all me and it was
so I think number one. People found could tell and
found it refreshing and it was real talk. And for me,
there was no going back because it was my voice,
(39:13):
not somebody else's voice that I was spewing to get
them elected. And it it freed me to be myself
and call out people even if they were my same jersey,
and commend people even if they were of a different jersey.
You know, it was not about It stopped being about party,
and it was about principles and convictions and policies and
(39:33):
character and morals and country. What the hell is good
for the country. You are in a whole other world, right,
you know you understand, and you've been around a lot
of musicians and this whole world. Do you feel like
it is our responsibility to reflect our political climate, our morals,
the things that we care about, you know, for our children,
(39:57):
for upbringing, for our country. Should we be talking think
about that in art. Do you feel like it's a
responsibility or do you feel like it's a choice. I
feel it's I feel it's a choice, but I feel
it's a choice that needs to be respected. Right, so
you don't lose your citizenship rights because you're a musician.
And so there's some people who you know, who will
walk out of a concert or walk walk out of
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a comedians show when they start talking politics. Well, listen,
if you bought a ticket to go see Wanda Psykes,
you bought a ticket to go see Whoopi Goldberg, if
you bought a ticket to go see Bruce Springsteen, you
know where they stand and and they have a right
as US citizens, so you know you shouldn't. And it's also,
(40:42):
you know, people cherry pick right. So people will say
to Lebron James h shut up and dribble because he
might be saying something that they don't agree with, but
they're okay with Kanye going on an anti Semitic right.
And the same people who are saying shut up and
dribble to Lebron aren't saying to Kanye, shut up and
(41:04):
sink Adidas took too long to drop that, you know what,
way too long because these were anti Semitic remarks. But
he has said things that have been He's even he
said such ignorant. So I don't think I can buy
another another person who made a joke out of an election,
which I think was just to take votes away from Biden.
I know people in our generation that circled Kanye West,
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they see it as courageous, which is I think the
lens that a lot of people look at Trump through that.
People that I've spoken to, you know, but he says
the things that we're not that we're all thinking. You know,
he's not a political puppet. He really says what's on
his mind at what cost. Well, I do think he
says what's on his he does, which I think he's
very you know, I think he's there's so many politicians
(41:49):
who say things that they think people want to hear.
I do think Trump says what's on his mind totally.
I think he is uh you know, I mean, it's
like the only honest thing he's about is I think
he tweets and says while he's now kicked off Twitter
thought he came back because of Elon Musk that that
sale hasn't gone through yet, maybe by the time before
(42:10):
they ask, but that sale has uh not gone through yet,
So I, you know, I um, I think it's one
of the appeals. But I you know, I give Trump
credit for convincing folks that he could he he could
really you know, working folks, that he could relate to them.
This is a you know, I don't know if he's
(42:32):
a billionaire, what the hell he he lies so much
about her how much he's worth. But there's a guy
who lose in the in um, you know, in the
tackiest gold gilded peenthouse or you know, or Mara Lava,
which is tacky. He has LDS like major LDS. What
is that little dick syndrome? I thought it was later
(42:52):
a latter day saint, like what he's a Mormon and
I didn't know, No little dick syndrome. It's like the
guy who drives the monster truck and the blaring music,
like come on, dude, assert your masculinity elsewhere. Okay, you
you you you you can have that. I don't even
want I want to raise that image from my mind
(43:12):
immediately bleach my mind. I literally cannot believe l DS
is that. I thought it was latter Days saying something
processing this. Oh my god, z is at church. I
swear to God, No, I know ruined. I'm sorry. I'm
(43:33):
sorry if we ever hear Anna Navarro say l DS,
we know where it came from. Welcome back, guys. I
(43:53):
hope this flight is treating you will and you are
still stripped in because I know you're flying around at
this point, I'm fine around. Really is a pleasure to
have you here. Being able to communicate with people, That's
another thing. Like I know it's a little bit of
an outdated thing, but I feel like women are silenced
a lot of We're made to be a joke or
like if we speak a certain way where when yeah,
(44:16):
you're right, I just made that up. But Nancy Pelosi
is a Speaker of the House, Kamala Harris is a
vice president, even though she gets unjustly. You know what,
I think that it is. I think that us like
from where I'm at, I'm so like, I don't want
to take the consolation. I'm sorry. Women should be running
this country, we should be in charge of it. We
(44:36):
should be at least equal. Like, Okay, I get it.
It's great, I get it. It's a step forward, but
it doesn't excite me as much as you think it does. Like, yes, amazing,
but like I'm sorry, we have so much more to go.
That's why I get it. It's amazing, incredible, But like
all these years and we haven't had a female president,
(44:59):
are you kidding me? Which is why you have to
get all your friends to vote. But that's what I'm saying,
that's what concerns me. You want you're you're upset, right,
if you're upset, then follow the trail. Let's do it.
Let's get it. Listen. And you know in your lifetime
you've seen you saw. Well, in my lifetime, I saw
(45:20):
the first Supreme Court justice woman, Supreme Court No Sandrena.
I I saw the first woman, Sandra Day O'Connor. Today.
You know, uh, you know, as we speak, so to
mayora is there? I mean you could agree with them
or not. And when it comes to to ideology, god knows,
you know, but you know, Kagan is there. So the
(45:42):
mayor is there? Uh, Katangi is there? And what's her name?
The handmaid? Um Amy Coomy Barrett is there, you know.
So you know, four out of the nine are women.
That's you know, a huge two of those women, one
is a Latino, one is African America and from Miami. Um.
(46:02):
And so you know, so I understand your impatience, and
I celebrate your impatience because we should be demanding more,
and we should be, but we should also celebrate the
strides and not take them, you know, for granted. I agree,
I agree, and I don't want to take it for
granted at all, because up until recently, I thought it
(46:23):
was just normal and happenstance that men run this world.
I wasn't as as young as I am. I wasn't
raised in a world that I felt empowered by women
as young as I am. I didn't see gay women
on TV shows. When that would happen, it would be
a weird thing, it would be bad or catered to
the man's I think that it was was ellen a
(46:46):
big deal in your life. I think that you we
talk about a lot how the male perspective in this
world is very sexualized, right, It's all about like, oh,
grab this and this, and they're beautiful and miss universe
and like were these objects and whatever, right, any little
crack that's opening the door for women is a huge deal. Right.
(47:09):
But we're so much more than the light we're portrayed in,
you know. And that's where my impatience comes from. Good
you should be impatience, yes, but it gets me in
trouble too, and I think that that's where we no, no, no, listen,
hold onto your impatience. And there's nothing worse than complace.
People don't listen to you if you're really angry, like true,
like I've been in moments jem will tell you where
(47:31):
a man has challenged me. And I've let my anger
and my emotions overcome my message. But how do you
not be angry? You see? I I I want to
stay angry because I think angry. One of my fears
is that we get numb to the outrageous things happening,
to the offensive things happening, that we just shrug our
(47:52):
shoulders and say, oh, that's just how it is, that's
just Trump being trouble. I'm I'm never going to get
tired of calling out you know, offensive behavior, of calling
out racism, of calling out discrimination, of calling out homophobia,
because the moment we stop being angry and we stopped
being outraged. That that's you know, that's the moment we
(48:15):
lose kind of like the fire in the belly the
but the energy I want to be. I want to
be angry and outraged and pissed and motivated, you know.
Use that as my my fuel until you know, until
the day Oh I take my last breath. Here's my
loop though, like we just started, like we're about to end.
(48:36):
You guys had Ted Cruz on the show. Right at
the end of the episode, you gave everybody in the
audience the book, right? Was that? Is that necessary? And
that was my question? So my question is, Okay, we're angry,
we're this, we're that, And I agree, I that this
is why I'm telling you, and I'm being honest and vulnerable.
I get angry and I don't want to hear what
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you have to say because because I don't, I think
that it's both ship. If you're telling me, oh, you're
a woman, you can't play percussion, you can't vote, you
can't I'm gonna be like, fuck you. I don't want
to listen to what you have to say. But then
where's my chance to convince that person? So I agree,
Like I actually was really happy you guys had Ted
Cruise on the show. He's like, I love that we
(49:18):
can talk and not be angry, right, and then he
was angry, and then and then he was angry, and
then he was combative and came to pick a fight. Okay,
because that's what they do. They come to pick a
fight with you know, the liberals on the View, so
then they can go on Fox News and complain about
being victimized by boo hoo. Look how badly I was
(49:39):
treated by these you know women on on the View,
which makes you ask the question, really, and you're gonna
stand up to Puttin, you can't stand up to Whoopie.
But the reason you give away the book is because, um,
because the publishers give it away. And so look, I
suspect a lot of the people who got the look.
(50:00):
I left the book for free. And you know, if
if anybody wants it to shred and use it in
their little box, DM me. So we have this conversation
a lot Emily and I about giving people a platform.
In the same vein, we have the conversation about having
these necessary conversations, being able to get somebody like Ted
(50:21):
Cruise in the room and asking him the questions that
we were all thinking. There were a lot of people
you can hear them in the audience who weren't very
pleased that Ted was even on the view to begin with.
How do you feel about that kind of battle? Like?
Where is the line between we need to have these
conversations with the other side, I say, the other side,
but really we're all in the same side at the
(50:42):
other side. We need to have these important conversations with
people who don't agree with us, who people who represent
other ideals. But at the same time, do we really
want to give them an opportunity to continue to spread
their message? Where what are your thoughts? I'm torn about it. Um,
I'm torn about it. I'm not dogmatic on one side
or the other. Look I think, um, I think that
(51:08):
if you're presenting, if you are allowing the other side
to you know, if you're allowing somebody to be there,
but you are challenging the lies, you are challenging the magoguery. Uh,
you're you know, challenging the divisiveness and the stupidity, and
you're countering it. If you're challenging it, I think that's
(51:29):
a good thing. If you're you know, just sitting there
and not fact checking it and not you know, and
not giving it something. Then I don't think that's a
good thing. Look, I'm I'm I'm very against um things
like the spread of misinformation online, which I think is
a huge problem, huge problem with our community in particular.
(51:51):
When I say our community, I mean latinos um, you know,
And I I think that's something that needs to be
that social media platforms have to do more about. But
you know, when you when the view has Ted Cruise on,
you know that most of the people on that panel
would not vote for Ted Cruise if you know, we
(52:13):
had a gun pointed to our heads, which if we
voted in Texas we might. But you know, so I
think it's you know, there's a recognition that this is
not you know, this is not a rubber stamp. We're
just not gonna let you get away with saying anything
or everything. But we're also trying not to talk in
(52:34):
an echo chamber and to be represent I mean, listen,
whether we like it or not, he gets elected and
re elected whether we like it or not, People like
Ted Cruise On, Donald Trump and Marco Ruby and Lindsey
Graham and all of those you know, they represent a
fractionary segment of America, and so you you know, I
(52:56):
don't think ignoring that, ignoring all of that, that swath
of people gets you, uh anywhere, because they're in Congress,
they're in power. They you know, they have they have
platforms about it and learned to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I get very offended and like being able to have
(53:19):
a conversation and not get offended. Also being Latina, like
you grow up, I remember political conversations happening around the
dinner table every night, you know. But the bottom line
is that at the end of the day, you're still family,
and like you mentioned, I feel like that's what America is,
where this big melting pot of cultures, of countries, of ideas.
(53:40):
But if we forget how to talk to each other,
then we're nothing. So I thank you for that. Yeah, well,
thank you guys for inviting me today. Have we landed?
Am I going to get off and outer space? Well
you will get out and you'll be sucked out of
the gonna inject to you. But really, Anna, you you
(54:04):
represent something really important and refreshing. And you know, aside
from being hilarious and having me and Emily dying in
the last in tears of some of the things. First
of all, your props. We touched a little bit about
it before we started recording. We have to get her
the tiny Honestly, I feel like we should give it
to her. You know what, I not that? Will you
(54:27):
give us the moon music? We're going to play. All right,
ladies and gentlemen, this is now. I don't know a
tiny violence. We night you. You can have it an
it's yours. Oh my god, you don't understand I'm taking this.
You know you can have it. Having it. I really
think it was meant for you. I was just holding
onto it until this moment. What did you guys get
(54:48):
this thing? It doesn't matter. The point is that it's yours. Yeah,
thank you. This is the best thing I've ever gottens
nex to my mail file and my pap. If you
whip that out on CNN, I will literally tattoo you
on me. I will. I will whip it out somewhere.
So there you go. Get ready, all right, red, alright, guys,
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we love you, Thank you, Thank you for listening. Dog No,
you're not You're beautiful. And if you're out there, this
is a very important episode. Listen and exercise. You're right
to be a citizen of this country. It's important. Do
not take it for granted. If you can spend six
hours on Instagram, you can spend twenty minutes reading and
educating yourself about what's going on in this country, not
(55:35):
only for you, for your children, for your grandparents and everybody.
And go out there and vote, because we're not going
to see any change until we incite it. Vote baby,
thanks for flying with us. Hit that ship, thank you,
Thank you, ladies. We love you. Pan of Ours in
the middle. You're gonna have a tell me what st
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