Ep. 15: John Welbourn - Former NFL Lineman - In Pursuit

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, I think it's a pro athlete, Like you
live in this weird Ivory tower where like I, like
I said, I got the chance to one on one
fist fight the toughest dudes in the world for a decade. Yeah,
every Sunday in front of millions of people wearing white
spandex and like, like when you break it down like that,
people are like really, I'm like, yeah, I never touched
the ball, right, Like, I just got to basically impose
my will. And I think that like level of addiction
of like I know exactly who I am and what

(00:21):
I'm doing, and I know you know the results of
my hard work, right And dud I was telling somebody
the other day, I'm like, don't be upset about the
results you didn't get because you didn't.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
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This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed
to be ready when it matters the most. Join me
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(00:51):
gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country.
This is in pursuit brought to you buy Mount Knobs
in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt. All right, bird you ready, yes,
all right. We got John Wellborn, NFL former NFL player,

(01:13):
CrossFit athlete for a little while. So I watched you
on Every Second Counts on one week, yeah, one week?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well yeah, so uh yeah. I was trained to go
back and play in the NFL and they asked me
to do the cross at games and I was like,
what's this crossing games?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
And they were like, well, You're going to have to
go and compete, and I'm like, let's do it. So
a week before training camp started, I went out there
and did it after doing CrossFit for about ten days,
that's awesome. And then I showed up and it was awful.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, which that would have been waits every second count
So I was the one that finished with the thirty
squat clean yeah and jerks or whatever. Yeah, yeah, heck yeah.
I remember I watched that documentary when I first got
into CrossFit. So it was you Spiel.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Who were the main characters.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
It was Josh Bridges, No, Josh everettsh Everett. Then there
was my Dutch and then there was another dude who
I can't remember his name.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Fitzgerald, James Fitzgerald. Was he in there?

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, yeah, opt OPT. And then then there was another
guy but I can't remember his name.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I didn't realize you were just doing it to do it,
not that you were like.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I had a lot of into that. It's had a
lot of ego. I was like, no, it was.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Man.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
So I was living in Newport Beach and I used
to train an athletes's performance which was up in Carson,
and so anybody it's from LA knows it's like.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Not very far.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
It's probably about nineteen or twenty miles. It could be
thirty minutes or it could be four hours. So I
got to the point where I was just tired of
driving to Carson. So I go up there three days
a week. And then I googled and I found a
gym that was right around the corner that had bumper plates,
which was a CrossFit gym. And I showed up there
and the guy I was like, Hey, can I just
pay to work out here? I want to use your equipment,
And that's how it all kind of came about. And
then I guess the owner told CrossFit that this NFL

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dude was training there, and then they reached out and
then they invited me, and I didn't necessarily know what
it was, and I.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Was like lifting in there.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, like they said it would be some heavy stuff
and a little bit of running, and I was like, great,
I've been run more than like thirty yards at a
time because we're only giving speed for second about six
second verse. Yeah, just nothing but speedwork, like the conditioning stuff.
I had a note like at the time, I believed
that having aerobic base was the most overrated thing in
the planet. Right lift heavyweights, sprint, rest and recover and
we'll be good.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
You're good. I mean, you were a guard, right guard?
I played.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
I played guard for so I played tackling college and
then I started my first year at tackle and then
they moved me to guard, and then I played tackling
guard and kind of moved in between over those tens.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So you at that point you were out how much
you weigh.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I showed across the games at three hundred and eight pounds. Wow,
So I was like and so every year I played
the majority of my NFL career between three or six
and three oh eight, But I went to camp at
three twelve. YEP, so I was probably closer to three twelve. Yeah,
And I showed up and I'm looking around and the
speelers are like one hundred and thirty five pounds, and
I'm like, I'm gonna get killed dead.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, what were the There was a sprint or it
was like two hundred meters type sprint.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
A eight hundred meter he'll run, yeah, and then I
mistakenly got selected to do the run first. I should
have done it last, because at that point I was
just done.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah. And then was there a deadlift burpie?

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, there's deadlifts and burpies. And then there was a
pull up chest of our pull up and thrust. Her
problem was is that they left the racks out where
the rigs were outside. It sound right, and they were
all rusted.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, no, it does sound like.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
So the very first rep sheered off both of my
pomps and I actually you can see it in the video.
I think I'm biting the skin and spitting it out.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, like both cheered off to the point they.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Did not give the context that you were like straight
off the NFL, Like no, you know in the video,
So if anybody gets a chance to go back and
watch it, it's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
That would have been like you was drafted in ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah, so I was going in my tenth year. Yeah,
I was going to my tenth year, and I was like, yeah,
I wouldn't do that working out. I'm good at that.
I didn't realize that they were stacking the deck against me.
They were setting you up. Yeah, it sound like anything
they would do. No, And the the worst part about
it is I like just didn't know, like.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, yeah, I shouldn't know what to do. You didn't
know what the methodology was, You didn't know you were
stepping into you didn't know any of it.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, so it just showed up. But also I'm the
type where I like, somebody's gonna throw something out, I'm.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Like, I'm gonna try it. Yeah, that's right. Well, so
then from there you start CrossFit football. So that's where
I first, you know, obviously I watched the documentary. Sure,
and then when I was I was a strength coach
a little while at Tennessee Tech under Ship Pew and
so he was big on CrossFit football.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well what's wild is I had wasn't a coach. I
never thought about coaching. It was actually Glassman that hit
me up and asked me kind of pitched me on
the idea of like a can you come.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Help us no subject matter expert essentially.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Like actually the way he framed it. So when I
ended up getting hurt in my tenth year, I came
home and I ended up having knee surgery yep. And
I was trying to reboot my life, which you know
at the time, I was planning to go to law school. Yeah, okay,
And so I graduated from Berkeley in four years, got
my masters in my fifth or did my master's work
in the fifth, and then there was a lot of
scholarship to go to law school at Bolt it's called

(05:58):
Berkeley now, and so I applied for that. And that
was kind of my like, hey, I'm going to play
for like a year or two in the NFL, Like
I mean, honestly, like how long do white guys play?

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Right? Like I was ran into the back of every
single being an offensive lineman looks terrible.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's the most fun job.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I bet it's awesome, but just getting I feel
like you guys get folded up on on the regular.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
It's the only way I could describe it is imagine
getting to go out and do whatever you want physically
to somebody, and then they blow a whistle and you
get to walk back and do it again without any
real repercussion, and you get to one on one fist
fight the toughest dudes on the planet. So at the
end of the day, you know exactly how good or
bad you are, which is great for like whether or not, ego,
whatever it is, but like there's no like, hey, take

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the toughest dudes on the planet. Let's strap it up
and get it going.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
And I loved it. I loved every ounce of it,
and I was really sad when it ended. Yeah, so
I had to figure out something else you enjoyed. So
our family business, when I was planning to do was
go back to law school. And then that's when Glassman
hit me up. And it was kind of an interesting pitch.
The way he framed it was something like that, you know,
somebody says something you one time and you're like, man,
I never thought about it like that, and I had

(07:04):
no desire to coach or really kind of get into
this role. And he said, he goes, would you help
us develop our technique or our technology on how to
train athletes? And I had never thought about training as
a technology, and the way that he said it, I
was like, oh, that's really interesting. And then he asked me,
He's like, what are your theories on training? And I
was like, I can tell you that I've been fortunate

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to work with the best people on the planet, you know.
I was recount of the conversation I had with Charlie
Francis after I hurt myself my rookie year. Marl Dapa
Squall put me in touch with Charlie and I talked
to him. You know Ben Johnson, sprint coach, you know,
all her theories on sprinting come from him. I'd a
guy named Todd Rice. You know rof Eervey's Todd Rice
is the guy that trains the boots of Brothers, you know.
So I just had these like amazing strength coaches. Oh yeah,

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I mean just like at every turn, I had these like,
you know, incredible dudes. And so I just kind of
smart enough to aggregate all this information and I was like,
I can do this. And then they asked me to
cross a football, which I even say, I don't miss
a terrible name. I thought it was a cool name,
but well, I mean but people showed up legitimate with cleats,
thinking that we were going like yeah, yeah, and I

(08:09):
was like, not how we're doing it.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I was like I'm just trying to teach, you know.
And and the original idea was like if CrossFit sat
in the middle, you got CrossFit endurance on one side intervals.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
That was kind of the idea.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Well, yeah, I don't know. And then on the outside
there was like cross at football, which was they were
going to like how to use crossfits for sports specific training, right,
And I was like, okay, I can do this. Translation.
So we ended up launching it and we got like
seventeen thousand hits the first day, and then they hit
me upside you got to come teach a seminar, and
I was like, so the seminar was awful. We talked
people how to lyft weights, and then I made them
watch football plays on my cutups, and then I went

(08:42):
through and was like okay.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Here and then why we do this?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
And then people were like and then I had to
like take a step back and realize, like, oh, like
the tenants of athleticism and a lot of these pieces
like this is what seems so basic and simple for
me I didn't.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I realized you got to not dumb it down, but
you have to like, well, I just.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Didn't think normal people wanted to know this stuff. Like
well at the time, I thought that, and this, as
you guys know, because you guys live in kind of
a little bit of an ivory tower too. To some extent,
you live in this bubble where all your friends are
pro athletes, and so you think, like most normal people,
like what do they do? Run marathons? Like do a triathlon.
I'd go to the gym and I'd see people kind
of lifting weights, and I just kind of assumed that,

(09:19):
like there was professional athletes and then the rest of
the world just kind of did like pilates. So when
I got out, I couldn't believe that like normal people
wanted to know this.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I wanted to suffer and train hard.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah, like, and I was like, where are these people?
I can't believe there's all these people that want to
know this stuff, right, So it was really it wasn't
the methodology, and it wasn't cross at HQ. Was actually
the community of people that were interested, which is why
I stuck around. And those are the people that I
really liked and like I always go back whenever anything happens.
I'm like, you just don't remember what it was like
for the people that showed up to the seminar. It

(09:48):
was like bringing fire to Eskimos.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
And people were so excited, they were so thirsty for it.
And then like all the other stuff was just kind
of like what we had to suffer.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
With, right, that's awesome. Yeah, I mean those days. I
was just out of my four year degree in exercise
science and then under Tennessee Tech here and then Chip,
I was actually a firefighter. The reason I found CrossFit
was Chip was teaching one of the like training for
performance or something, one of the classes we had to take,

(10:17):
and like similar to you, probably in the beginning, he
would just put on a CrossFit dot com video and
be like, yeah, look at this. I remember one of
the first workouts I watched was like burpie mile, and
then he showed a guy doing fran and I think
it was Bill Grumbler in turnout gear. And so I
was a firefighter, Oh yeah, I could do this, and
so that's kind of the rest is history from there,
and then he offered me a job as an assistant

(10:39):
or a grad assistant and.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Our first commercial offering at Tennessee Tech.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
No, really, I think I think so. I think it
was before I was there, but it was up in
the was it in the old in the stadium up top?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Maybe on an incredible facility now, but yeah, it was awful, trash.
I totally bombed it. Chip liked it well, like they
liked it. But I just remember like my lecture was terrible.
I didn't know what I was teaching. I got up
there and I realized I was like, oh, man, like
I have to like like one of my uh like
our family friends. Like you know, you end up with
these kid friends where your kids are friends and your
parents and then the kids aren't friends anymore, but you

(11:13):
still keep the parents. So my buddy Dad's wife Michelle
always is like her joke is like do better, do better,
be better. And so I had this moment where I
got up there and my presentation was not good because
one I didn't know the source material and I wasn't
an expert. And I just remember like echoing my head
like you have to do better. And I ended up

(11:33):
going back and that was where I started like really
digging in on the methodology and deciding like who I am,
what do I believe? What am I trying to teach?
If I'm going to influence people, it has to be
both good and authentic.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Right, yeah, And I think basically from what I gathered
from it was you took the Crosswit methodology, which is
a general physical preparedness, but we know the demands of
the sport of football, so we're just sporting sport in general, right,
But you can also you can adapt that. And that's
what we've done with on the Hunt side of things,
is like, sure, we know what we're training for in
within some type of you know, but I still think

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you know, a lot of guys or girls get out
there and think, oh hunting, I'm just I need endurance
and just time on my feet, which you yes, you do.
You also need a lot of this other stuff, and
some of that is burst energy, you know, like we
know the different energy pathways and those types of things.
And so we're training people. Granted we are leaning more
towards the endurance side, especially closer to the event, but
you know, there's this whole I think we get caught

(12:27):
up and thinking that, oh it's got to be there's
no plan, but there is a plan. You look at
a season or a year and you're like, and I
think of it as for hunting, Like I'm getting people, guys,
girls ready for September, and so you know in January,
we're building strength, right. You know, you take a college
football or a you know, a yeah exactly, and I know,
right you and but we still keep some intensity and

(12:51):
still you know, keep a base. But hey, we do
specialize in a certain area. But then it slowly transitions.
You know, we're talking periodization to where they're ready for
their event, right, and so I look at it as
hunting season, as their event or our event.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
And there, yeah, they're just their season in general.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Exactly, And so I enjoy it, you know, similar to
you probably where you kind of geek out on it
and people it gets lost where people are like, I
don't I don't care to show.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Me what to just tell me what to do. Yeah exactly,
that's why you've been successful.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
But I enjoy it, man. You know, it's similar to
what you're talking about. You just start geeking out on
numbers and just you know stuff that most people are like,
I don't, I don't care why the number, why the
movements go that way or do whatever. So but yeah,
we I used a ton of the crossfoot football, so well,
you know, I took the ideas.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Of it, so you know, before a cross at football,
strength was just another element that it was. Actually we
started prescribing a strength workout and a conditioning workout at
the same time in the same day, and they were like.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Two workouts and we're going to people are going to die. Yeah,
close people's mind. I remember the first time we did
it to a day. People were like, I got hate mail.
I get two hundred emails, how dare you? And I'm like, well,
it's called strength and conditioning. We're going to do them
both and then we can combine them into one too.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
And then you guys started doing twenty nine workouts in
a day.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, that's true. We did kind of mess that up
for everybody.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
People. Well, so Nicholas Romanov, who was the post guy,
incredible coach. I didn't really buy into the methodology as much,
but like for his knowledge as a Russian sports scientist,
like unbelievable, and he was University of Moscow and so
we had a lot of great conversations and he brought
up a really cool point once where because I was
asking him about, like, why is it some athletes can

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handle more training lad than others. So my roommate in
college is gut named Kevin Doherty, and Doe benched like
four hundred and fifty pounds in high school. She squatted
like in the sixes, and then came to college, and
every single day he was in college he got weaker,
to the point where he barely benched three hundred pounds
as a senior. And I remember asking him, like, Dough, like,
what happened?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (14:45):
He's like, he goes, I'm just tired. I can't do it.
Because to play college football you have to be a
big monkey, is what I call it. Like we would
train six days a week, and it was like, you know,
progressive overloading. Yeah yeah, And he was like I trained
three days a week in high school and like I
feel tired all the time and I'm detaying and I
just can't handle a lot. So I asked doctor Romanov
about it, and he goes, they did a you know,

(15:06):
I hope it's been many years. I'll tell his story
and this is doctor Romov's sory, not mine. Yeah, but
they did research and they looked at like different monkeys.
And there were certain monkeys that played and battled and
fought and did everything and moved like twenty hours a day,
and then there were other monkeys that only moved enough
to eat and were very like sedentary and rested a lot.
So what they did is they flipped the environments and
they put the one monkey as he's one of those,

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oh he is okay, They took the monkeys that moved
all the time and they locked him in a cage
where they couldn't move sound. And then they took the
other monkeys that like only moved a little bit to eat,
and they forced them to move all day. And the
big the monkeys that needed to move or that couldn't
move a lot, ended up just laying down and dying.
And the other monkeys when they got out of the
cag just went over and beat each other to death.
So they theorized that there was like big monkeys and

(15:48):
small monkeys, and in the training space it's the same thing.
And doctor Romanov went through all these different athletes that
were like small monkeys where they only trained three four
days a week and they want a gold medal. But
the minute that you put them in a high intensity program.
It just imploded.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
You mean, everybody's different and you have to train differently
for some people. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
And so the thing is is in college football and
also in pro football, you had, especially offensive line, you
have to be a big monkey. You have to be
a big monkey, whereas like there were quarterbacks who are
small monkeys, like you know, like I played with Tom
Brady and there was a kid with a little counter
and he counted every single throw Tom threw and then
all of a sudden, once he hit his number, he
was done. And I played with other guys that could

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throw the ball like Patrick Mahomes can throw the ball
three hundred times in a practice. I think Tom got
like fifty reps. So they were like, you know, and
they know exactly, like, hey, this guy's a big monkey,
small monkey. For those positions offensive line, you just have
to be able to like run into a wall over
and over again. Yeah, and the guys that don't kind
of naturally select out don't make it. And so that

(16:45):
was a big piece. And especially when we started looking
at like how CrossFit people and you know, you obviously
are the biggest monkey. Was yeah, well, well yeah, formerly
a big monkey, but like you know, and you kind
of set the pace. And I think what happened was
it's kind of like in the Tour of Ants when
Lance Armstrong would take off and all those dudes tried
to chase him and he would just like grind him
into the earth. I think you probably obliterated your competition

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just for the fact that you were training at such
a high volume and a lot of guys couldn't handle it.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, yeah, no. I mean when we started, it was
like one workout a day, and if you did more
than one workout a day, you would probably die, like
your kidneys couldn't handle it. And whatever we did. I
remember the first time we did two workouts we did
there was a bench and pull up workout land in
the morning, and that afternoon we did a second workout.
We were like just waiting to die, you know, and

(17:31):
it didn't happen, and so me and Darren and then
on just kind of just started doing it right and
it wasn't even it was just like second nature, right.
It was like there's a lot that goes into it,
you know. In the last couple of years, I've joked
that I think there's some substance abuse is part of it.
Little obsession, little substance abuse, a little the way I
was raised, right.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
But oh you mean that you have like a little
like addicted person out for sure, one hundred percent. I
always believe that there was a lot of people masking
addictive personalities and maybe like the dependence like this is
almost better than like AA to be able to get
into CROSS exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
So if you have somebody, I guess you recognize that.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
So like very practically, if somebody's following, whether it's our program,
your program, and they how do they recognize in themselves
because that's like the normal thing, you know, Like for
the normal person you're there all they see a workout
and they're like, oh, I'm not I don't want to
do that's too much work.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
That's bird with rope clowns.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Well, I mean the thing the thing to think about
this like I.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Actually did like all the pro football stuff because it
had anything like.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Early on in my cherry picking workouts.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I would look at me. But you look at a
lot of the stuff we do now it's similar to
Cross because it's interesting, like it's intervals, like you can
get more intensity when you break things, and people are
get so caught up and like, oh, I just got
to do a fort like even in I'm thinking in
the hunting space specifically, like, oh, I need to be
our rock. That's that's it, and I need to do
that every day. And I'm like, no, you need some

(18:53):
like intense bursts rest intense bursts, like because you're just
gonna run yourself on the ground. So sorry, I mean,
uh no.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Is the biggest issue with online programming, Katy.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
You know, if you're a small monk, you're a big.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
You're a small I could put you through the training
and I would. The problem with online programming is you
is you're basically programming for the bell curve, the middle
of the bell curve, and the problem is you're gonna
have bout liars on the top and the bottom. And unfortunately,
there's not a good way to assess these people. And
I'm sure you guys run in it, and that's why
you have churn and burn. People come in and they
look at it like this is too much, this is
too complicated. I don't have this equipment. So you start

(19:27):
looking at all the pain points. But if you can
hit it, and I did. I got into it. The
other day. Guy sent over an email my assistant sent
it to me, and I like, I took it and
I was like, the guy's like, you know, basically like
critiquing it, and I kind of like basically was like,
I got thirty minutes, Yeah, sit down. And I sent
this guy like a dissertation on everything, and he of
course responded with like a one line room, you know,
kind of a smart ass. No, it was more I

(19:49):
don't know, but hurt kind of I'll use the word response,
because he didn't I don't think he understood it and
didn't understand that there is a lot of physiology and
science and experience.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
And on top of it.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I've been doing this a long time. I think since
two thousand and nine. We programmed at least one at
the time was across a football but then it became
like nine different training programs. It's something like over four
million workouts delivered to hundreds of thousands of athletes with
just millions of these data points. And after a while
you can kind of see like the you know, the
neo matrix where you're like, all right, I know how

(20:21):
to get people strong, I know how to get them jacked,
I know how to get them really fit. And then
you've tested on all these athletes and you know what
the results are. And so if somebody sits outside that pool,
they're either a high or really high and it's not
enough or it's too much. And at that point you
have to dial back volume in intensity and you have
to look at them be like all right, I will
never turn down the intensity, but like you can recover

(20:44):
from intensity. And we did a years ago what's the
guy's name, Abajef came and gave the Bulgarian Olympics lefling
coach came and gave a talk for high school football
on a program that he would use for Bulgarians to
train high school fotball, basically maxing out every day. So
we sent every single so somebody there sent me the
program and I was like, let's do it. I squatted

(21:06):
between four fifty and five fifty for singles for eighteen
days in a row, yep, and then on like the
nineteenth day, I couldn't even squat one thirty five. And
I realized the problem is is that like you can
go with a lot of intensity, but you have to
be so conscious of the volume. So everybody can handle intensity,
how much volume they can handle is like big monkey
small monkey. So like, let's say somebody needs three reps,
because if you look at like Propen's table, you know,

(21:28):
you'd see like, you know, somewhere between a magic of
like four to seven. So like rich could probably handle ten,
you might be able to handle four. You're still going
to do the thing, same deal, and like you just
have to figure out what you can recover from. And
the greatest way to do it is, you know, a
percentage of one hourrammar intensity, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Then document how you feel and hey, you know, like
hey I've done. When you have this, you can look
at all, right, this week was good, you know, and
put a couple weeks together and you're like, okay.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I'm good, and now you start to kind of see
what it looks exactly. But people don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
They want to be told what to do, and they're
in one I see that side of it, Like you
pay for it, so you want to know that. But
also everybody's a little bit. And then you go and
you get into nutrition too, and there's so many differents.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
I also have a theory that the training that you
do before puberty there's like an effectively priming of the
pump We had Chris Summer on the podcast, who is
a high level gymnastics coach, developed like kids from like
cradle to like Olympic champions, and he started talking about
this idea of like exposing them to like GPP and
like strength training pre puberty that it effectively. They did

(22:35):
a study that we referenced in Russia where they had
kids do a bunch of strength training GPP like kind
of like what you see for CrossFit pre puberty, and
then other kids didn't. Then at puberty, they all threw
them in the same program, and the kids that had
done this training beforehand developed strength and skills at a
much higher level than the ones it didn't.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I think that's building a neuro early.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
But also there's a priming of the pump. And but
so I think a lot of people did before they
started lifting weights, you know, just like what we did
for training as kids. I did side ride your bike trees,
so like it's six. I started in martial arts, and
then we rode bikes, and we played baseball, and we
did all these sports. And like where our house was

(23:15):
was like the bus stop, so all the kids would
get off and we had a basketball like a hoop
so we had these like gnarly basketball games, and then
my brothers played football and like just this whole thing.
So I got to it, and all of a sudden,
I was like lifting weights and I got stronger every
week when other people weren't. And then I was able
to put on size and I grew and I just
like other people kind of flaked out and I was like,
I don't know, every time I go in this weight

(23:36):
room stuff, I get stronger. It's kind of addictive.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm one of thirty two first cousins twenty
five or boys. So everything we did was a competition, right.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
That is the best training environment, I really.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Is, you know, like and you know they our uncles
would shame us if the girls beat us, which they
did regularly because they were pretty athletic.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
You know, like that is I'm so glad you said that.
I personally believe one of the greatest training stimulus is
is shame and thought of like not being able to
hold the standard, where like all of a sudden, you're like, man,
like what if I'm not good enough? And the internal
shame Like uh, I've told the story on our podcast,
but I was a pretty fast runner and like like
when I was in middle school and then I grew

(24:13):
like four inches and I couldn't run. Like it was
like literally like I I like went from like you know,
all of a sudden, like you know, crushing everything, to
all of a sudden like I'm getting like c's on
because they would time our runs in the good grade
and all of a sudden, I was like humiliated. I'm like,
how am I going to go home and tell my
mom I got a CMPE because I can't run fast.
So I asked the teacher and I was like what

(24:34):
can I do? And she's like, well, if you want
to stay on Fridays, you can do extra credit runs.
I'll give you more points you get a better grade.
So I like lied to my mom. I'm like, hey,
I got to study extra on Fridays, and then I
would run extra because I was.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
So humiliated disappointed in yourself.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, I was like ten or eleven, twelve years old,
and I'm like, dude, like I can't. Well, my brothers
all played football, so but I was just like a
little bit of shame. And then I realized that like
that's not a bad thing, like like that's like motivating. Well, uh,
there's a certain standard that I hold myself to you
and I have to meet that.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Sank. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean it's it's intrinsic for us.
That's because we were just born in that situation, you know.
And I feel like nowadays it's tough, right, there's a
balance to it, right, you don't want to belittle or
you know, you want to somehow develop it for them intrinsically.
You know. I don't ever shame my kids about that
type of stuff that you can.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I like, as a parent, you can't shame them. But
if they have a little bit, yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
And you're trying to like how do you how do
you cultivate it? Cultivate it? Right? Yeah? So like Lake,
when my oldest is starting to play middle school basketball.
So she's fifth grade and then she plays some garbage
minutes on sixth grade, and so it's she plays a
lot on fifth grade and then she'll sit the bench
on sixth Then you can just see it like stewing
in her head that she's like wants to be out there,
and she's like Dad, what you know, Like what do

(25:50):
I gotta do? I'm like practice, you know, like everything
comes just natural to her. She's a good athlete, but
she's just the speed of games way different. Those girls
have been playing for a while and played serious. Where
she played rec ball, it was one one Saturday, one
practice a week, and now she's practicing three or four
days a week and she's getting good. But it was cool.
It's cool to see her, like how do I get better?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
And so that for me as a dad, I'm like, hell, yeah,
I think I have two daughters. I get twin girls,
and I got a little boy raising daughters. I'm totally
not equipped for group with all brothers, right Like. I'm like,
for years, the only girl we knew was my mom,
right like, like there were no girls on her streets.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
It was all boys.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
And so having girls is really interesting because like like
we solve problems like hey, I'm not good at this
practice more, whereas like girls are not necessarily looking for
you to solve their problem. I'm like, well, we can
just go lift weights. We have this huge gym up
on the heel, and I trained professional athlete. It's like
all these people.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Come and I'm like, hey, let's go get on tam
sprints sprints.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
And They're like, no, Dad, I just want to like
I want you to listen to and I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I'm not a quick for this. I don't know what
to do. Go to your mom.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
And then my son will look at me maybe like
I know, he's like, you want to go out and
shoo twenty two.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So I'm let this do it? Yeah, Trice, yesterday other
girls were gone. I was sitting in the sauna and
he always asks, and I'm like, you can't sit in
the son, you know. I was like, yes, show was
like come on, Trice. He's like, what said, I'm gonna
go sit in the suna?

Speaker 1 (27:04):
You want to go hot asauna? We're talking about. Well,
I put him at the bottom.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
It was one hundred and forty fifty degrees at the
bottom is like one hundred and twenty. Like it's right
by the door. Yeah, but he was made his year nice.
He was like I put him in. I said you
got ten minutes you can sit with me, and dude,
he was fired up. He's like I can go and
so he's he loved it.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Or U we have a barrel and we go like
one eighty seven, one ninety.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah, it's at one ninety where I'm at, but down
here he was probably one twenty.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, that's that one ninety is real. It's funny the
like one seventy five. I can sit in there all day. Yeah,
one ninety. At like ten minutes, I start getting this
like antsy feeling.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
I started doing I rock for the last five other
I've been doing twenty five minutes and then three minutes
colde and that's my like morning routine. I'm trying to
get up thirty minutes earlier just to do it, and
it's been awesome, but it's that last five minutes. I
listened to a book in there, and I'm not like
the last.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Two minutes SONI, I was buying like sna hat.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah. We had like I like.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Cold water to put my hands in, and uh yeah,
I'll do ten and then I go thirty seconds in
the cold and I get back from my other ten
one and but yeah, that one eighty seven one ninety
is is real. And then my wife just like hanging
out there like all day and being like, oh.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
This is fine.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I think I'm gonna stretch a little bit, and I'm
over there having like a panic attack, and she's like,
are you okay. I'm like no, I gotta get out
of here, and she's like in there for like twenty
or thirty minutes and like stretching. Oh, I feel great.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
I'm like, I can't get my wife in there. She's like, no,
I'm not doing that. You got a sweat. But the
kids loved it, and or Trice loved it. He was
just like but the crazy thing was the next two hours,
it was like you gave him twenty candy bars. He
really is wide open, you know. Like I was like, hey,
you gotta drink this whole glass of water while we're
in here. You got to like if I started seeing
he didn't even break a sweat. He's nine, yeah, and

(28:45):
so he didn't eve break a sweat. White.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
His face just got red red, and he's like red,
just stripping.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
He was having a blast. He's like, why are we
doing this? What's this? What's this? And I'm just like,
just I can't talk right now.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
It's so hot in Texas that I tried to convince
my dog that, like, you know, because my one daughter
plays basketball, mother daughter plays soccer, that they need to
get into the sauna for like a heat inoculation, and
they're like.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Nah, not doing f off. Yeah, Honestly, in the summer.
I got away from the sauna just because it is
so hot and humid here where I was, I just
didn't want to do it. I went straight cold.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
How bad is it here?

Speaker 2 (29:18):
It can nineties, mid nineties and the ninety eighty ninety
percent humidity. I mean not you're probably five or six degrees.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
I think cool or warmer. Yeah, but it's it's very
like two years ago we were seventy days over one
oh four. Jeez like it. Texas is the most angry,
egregious place I've ever been. Like, it's spiteful to the
point where I tell my wife, I'm like, I'll go
anywhere to get out of this place.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, I mean I got to go to Michigan.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, if somebody knocked on our dorm bought her house,
I'd be like, I'm leaving this guy forsaken place and
I'm never going. What was it the Davy Crockett was like,
if I owned Hell in Texas, I'd rent out Texas
and live in Hell. Yeah, it's it's that terrible, that terrible. Yeah,
it's hot. Yeah, it's just spiteful Louisiana. So he's aware
at that marriage. Oh yeah, that's a sweaty place, too.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Sweaty place. That's the hard part. The humidity. It's the
humidity they get you.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
No, it's it's swamp. So so the Brazilians I train
for jets, they're from like north Brazil, so victors from Florida, Laisa,
and that's the sweatiest place to the point where like
he's like, oh, you know, nobody has there any air conditioning.
So the other day when we were all.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Sleep there, I couldn't. Like it has to be sixty
seven degrees, I think I will not sleep.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
I think it's carbs, you think so. I think it's carbs.
That they eat a lot of carbs. It makes them
tired because they like rice and beans and they're like
a pretty carb heavy diet. And then when they try
to come to the States and eat that same diet,
they all like kind of lunchy.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
So like I think it's vitamin D exposure or they're
just way tougher than we are.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, And that's as I've gotten older too. The like
heat and humidity I want no part of. I don't
take the cold any day.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Yeah, yeah, no problem. I can sit in the ice
tub all.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Day, I can layer up. I can do whatever, but
heat just sucks, all right. So now you're you're training
a lot of jiu jitsu.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, so I I Shanji Heberro, who's my coach. Shanji
is like considered like the rich Throning of jiu jitsu
or the Michael Jordan of jiu jitsu.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Right, you better make sure Michael Jorge's better.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
So Chanji's like a twenty time world champion and considered
like one of the best in the world to ever
do it, you know, like hodyre Gracie, they considered to
be the best. I think he lost five times. He
lost three times to Chanji. So Shanji's pretty legit, pretty good.
So my daughter was swimming a bunch and she got
kind of burned out because they wander in the pool
like it was like, ooh, swimming is ridiculous. It was

(31:31):
three hours a day, five days a week. So after
like and she's like nine or ten. So she's like, Dad,
I want to try something else, And I was like
I had There's a guy named Craig Douglas who does
like a combative steel and he came on the podcast
and he invited me to come on his combative steel
and basically I'm pretty good on my feet because I
boxed and played in the NFL, but laying on my back, I'm.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Like a big turtle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
So in the NFL, if I end up on my
back with a gun on top of yeah, everything's going yeah,
and I don't have a job anymore. So we ended
up to go into this combatives thing and I ended
up like laying flat on my back with this dude
on top of me who was like three hundred pounds
but he used to be three sixty, so he's like
a big water balloon. This guy Nick, He's super nice dude,
and he was a jiu jitsu I want to say,
he's like a brown belt. He passed my guard, took

(32:14):
my gun and shot me with a sim or a
fill of a scar and he also got me ric
And one of the instructors was like, dude, you got
to learn to like fight off your back a little bit.
And I was like what do I do? And he's like,
I'm gonna give you this guy's number, So he gave
me Shanji's number. He was one of his black belts.
So I called Shanji and he was like, you know

(32:34):
in typical braziliance. I'll call you back, you know, hear
from him, and the Brazilians aren't great with time. So
I ended up taking my daughter up. She's like, I
want to try jiu jitsu. So I took I took
her up to Shanji's place litter ju JITs, and we
just kind of became friends. And then he asked me
and he's.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Like, hey, h.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
You're good at lifting weights. And I'm like, I'm all
right at it. And he's like, I got some young
guys that are really like high level professionals, but they
haven't trained. Would you work with them? And so I
met them and there was like kids in their early
twenties and like you know, at the time, I didn't
know anything about jiu jitsu, and I was like they
were just I didn't know what their skill level was.
I just know that they are the nicest kids. Like

(33:11):
I joked that I adopted all these Brazilians, like huge hearts,
just the nicest kids you would ever want. Like when
everybody talks about this generation, it's not these these kids. Yeah,
these kids grew up like in Brazil where like like yeah,
like like money, like it's just a different class, like
a different group of human beings. Yeah, like all grew
up in the church, you know, so they're all like,
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Like just solid kids, nicest kids.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Like people that you would want to have over your house,
introduce to your family. And uh so I met the
kids and I was like, let's do it. So I
worked with them and trained them for two years for
ADCC and you know, and then at that point I
thought it was disingenuous that I was training them and
I didn't know anything about jiu jitsu. So then they
sucked me in and then I started doing it, and
it's been really good for me for the fact that

(33:54):
when football ended, I figured, like that combative style of
my life it kind of ended, and I would go
box and stuff, but I wasn't never going to get
in the ring and compete, so it's just like hitting
the heavy bag or kind of doing some light stuff.
And then when I got into JITs and I went
out there and I was like, oh, like, it's great
to have something to train for. And I realized what
I was missing in my life was I just didn't
have anything to train for. Like you've got into hunting

(34:14):
and some other things, but you need to have that
like this is what gets me hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, especially that's your background, right, that's what you did
your whole life.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah and so and then also my wife makes a joke,
She's like, you wouldn't be into this if you guys
were even weren't training the best guys in the world
on hundred percent, Like like a high tide ride rises
all boats, iron sharpens iron, you know, like I I'd
like appreciate if it was just some like black belt
dad dad, bod dude he was teaching stuff I would
have been in. You show up with like a twenty
five year old Brazilian kid who is absolutely smashing it, yeah,

(34:46):
and then being like as he's choking up, being like
you're doing so good, I'm so proud of you, and
you're like.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Shut up with you. Two things. So, the one thing
we've talked about getting into jiu JITs did you have
any major injuries or did you have any major you
got sidelined? You said, but how does that go with
jiu jitsu?

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Like, so, I have an issue, I have like a
bone chip in the back of my knee which is
limiting range of motion, and then.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I have pain when you get past that range of motion.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Well, it just stuck. So I was supposed to get
a surgery like ten years ago, and I just have
put it off my right now, Okay, I got left
and then my shoulders stinged up, so I can't put
my hand over my head anymore.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
We got almost the same thing because I've always like
I've wanted to try jiu jitsu, but I'm like.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
The and to finish it, hopefully business will give you
a little bit of solis. Because of the training we do,
We've found a way to develop incredible range of motion
in the hips. And so because I've so I'm so
flexible in my hips, I can cheat everything. So like
I have like an interesting way that I play where
people don't know that I'm limited in these ways. So

(35:46):
the problem is is a lot of guys come in
that don't have hip flexility, and because they don't have
that hip flexibility, and they can't really do shit all right.
And so the other problem too is people really suck
with like no transverse rotation, so like the ability to
be here and be able to do frame and it's
just it just comes down to, like does the training
allow you.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
To do.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
And I can I'm sure, yeah, I think it's just
being able to hide it. But like, for example, Victor
who I trained, was a top ultra. When he came
to me, he had L four L five to the
point where it was so crippling that when he went
to the ADYCC he couldn't fight on his feet. He
had to literally start on his back and like just
basically like sit down because he couldn't stand on his feet.

(36:28):
And he's one of the best in the world off
of his feet. Now what's weird is if he's on
his feet, his level athleticism is probably about three or four. Really,
you put that dude on his butt and he's an eleven.
I've never seen anybody. It's like, you take that guy
off his feet, and his ability to move on his
back and be able to do all these kind of
understuff for a guy his size is like nothing I've
ever seen, to the point where he's it's frightening to

(36:49):
roll with him.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Really.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
The other day, there's a thing called they called octopus
guard where you're inside control, and he kind of sat up,
grabbed his leg and then kind of like got me
off balance, kicked his leg under and he put it
hand and did like a Turkish get up with me
on his hip, and I'm like, like literally like I
started kind of like, well yeah, because I thought he
was gonna done because I'm thinking of all that, you know,
torturing them on the bikes.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
And all the train I'm gonna get this best.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
And I thank god he didn't. He didn't hurt me.
But I'm always like, dude, don't hurt me, don't hurt me.
But it's it's been really just uh, it filled a bucket.
I didn't know I was missing with not only community,
but also being around some young guys yep that were
training hard because the problem is is my age, like
most of these dads don't do anything. And then they're like,
oh man, look pretty fit. What are you doing. I'm like,

(37:33):
I get beat up by these Brazilians and I try
to kick their ass every day. So it's been good
for me.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
That's awesome. Yeah. No, I think the other thing was
that was the first thing. And then second thing I
think is exactly what you said, and we kind of
preach here with Mayhem with hunt is trained for something,
have something you look like I don't. I'm not a
goals guy. I'm not I don't look especially now with
you know, with a bar bell, I'm never going to
hit a pr again on a bar bell, right, and

(37:58):
so for me, those are those days are gone. But
I can put a date on the calendar that's a
CrossFit like I've done. I did three local local partner competitions,
one in July, one in August, and just finished one
this last weekend or in October, and then hunting season
and then two years ago for two years I did
lead build one hundred mile mountain bike race. And I
need something exactly like you're saying, I need something to

(38:20):
maybe obsessed a little bit about, but like, yeah, you know,
one hundred percent as long as it's not sacrificing you know,
family time, because I'm at that point in my life. Sure,
but like I still need need to not feel dangerous,
but you need to feel like you need to feel
dangerous a little bit, right, you know, Like I need
to do something that's you know, worth worthwhile or worth
training for us. What's the point Why am I, you know,

(38:40):
grinding in the gym or doing whatever if you don't
have a date on the calendar that you're aiming at, right.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Well, it's also who like so that this is an
interesting piece is I think I don't know, like I said,
like you know, I think it's a pro athlete, like
you live in this weird Ivory tower where like I,
like I said, I got the chance to one on
one fist fight the toughest dudes in the world for
a decade every Sunday in front of millions of people
wearing white spandex, and like like when you break it
down like that, people are like really, I'm like, yeah,

(39:06):
I never touched a ball, right, Like I just got
to basically impose my will, and I think that I
think I did.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I know a ball bounced up one time and I
got it and like seventeen people hit me at once,
and then the next time that similar thing came up,
I just kicked it out of bounce. I was like, man,
I don't want touch this thing because my hands were
so like taped up.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
I was like I can't.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, but that like level of addiction of like I
know exactly who I am and what I'm doing, and
I know the you know the results of my hard work,
right and uh, dude, I was telling somebody the other day,
I'm like, don't be upset about the results you didn't
get because you didn't do the work. We just had
our big power ethic collective for all of our coaches.
And John McPhee, who's a former Delta guy. He was

(39:49):
on like Rogan and Sean Ryan. He teaches some shooting stuff.
So he came out and taught a shooting course for us,
and uh, you know, like you guys, like I hunt
every night and I very concealed, so I shoot constant constantly,
you know, Like I feel like if I'm going to
carry a gun, I need to be proficient. Like once
a month I dry fire, but then once a month
I stopped. I shoot my duty loads, reload, and then
I go back. So we got out and we were shooting,

(40:10):
and I was watching guys shoot and like they're like
all over the place, and uh, one of the guys
had like a pretty badass race kimber and like he
was like I don't know what he was aiming at.
I was like, we see that thing, and I basically
key hold like ten shots and he's like, man, I'm
like yeah, but I actually shoot practice. Yeah, Like, don't
be upset that like you didn't get it in when
you don't do this. Yeah, And I think the same
thing for JITs and for fighting combat as because I

(40:31):
run into people all the time and be like, oh,
I'd be able to handle myself.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I'm like, really, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I was like, what if the dude knew how to fight?
Or what if like these situations like and do you
have the stamina? Have you ever taken a shot? Like
do you really know? Have you ever tasted you on
the fight club? You ever tasted your old?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Have you ever broken a finger and had to reset
it in between plays? And like that level of readiness,
you got a plan til they get punched in the mouth?
Mike Tyson h Yeah, and like I've been in that situation. Yeah, literally, yeah,
many many times. And it's just it's good to know that,
like you have a plan, right, and you've prepared for
these things, and I think a lot of people just haven't.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, and yeah, I mean even to the hunting side
of it. You know, we practice archery. I lean towards
archery more rifles. We went out and shot rifle because
we are going this week hunting. Yeah, Elk and so
went out tested a new rifle that we just got
from Sick it's also seven mil prc alm. I've been
shooting a three hundred win, but this dude, that's seven mil. Yesterday.

(41:27):
Yeah it felt good.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
So I bought my son a six arc okay, yeah,
so that small frame QLLC even that many fixed and
six arc that thinks a laser.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Paid this thing out to one thousand. First, we had
some dope from one of our buddies that has a
similar round. First shot bulls eye thousand yards. I was like,
and we're on a sled, like a gun sled, but still, yeah,
it blew in my mind. It was nice. But so
we shoot archery a ton and right, and so we
try to and we we catch flak on the internet
because we'll do cardio and try to shoot or do

(41:59):
you get flack on that because guys are like your
mechanics bad mechanics, you're you know, it's it's the same
technique versus intensity thing that you hear in CrossFit all
the time of like there's a there's a fine line
that you're trying to hit, right, dude.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
So I was very fortunate to get a tuliolk, which
is in California. They're in danger. Yeah, so my buddy
friend of ours is eighteen thousand acres in California. Okay,
he's the third largest private landowner. It's big in Californiaeah,
it's big. So he gets landowner tacks. That's the only
way you're going to be able to hunt tuliolk for sure.
So we went out to go hunt those a couple
of years ago, and we chase those things through the

(42:33):
mountains for three days with both so awesome, right, I
never got within a half a mile these they would
bugle and we would run, and like I'd go there
and they'd be like a mile this way always. So
then on the fourth day, the guy was like, hey, man, rifle. Yeah,
so I shot a three hunder wind mag It was like,
I think just over like five fifteen yep, one hundred
and ninety grand hit it and the shoulder knocked it down.
And I was like, oh, thank god we brought right
because I have never killed anything big with a boat ritz.

(42:56):
It's I mean like turkeys and like, you know, some
small deer still, but like never. And then I see
like my buddies out in Oregon that are basically bow
hunting these like Roosevelt els one thousand pounds and they're
taking these things down like Andy stump posts some stuff.
I'm like, how, But then I realized, like, one, you
got to be super efficient. You got to put yourself
in the situation, and you have to have the time
to invest to go out to It's not like somebody's

(43:18):
dropping you in.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
No.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
You know, in Texas they have what I called the
peanut butter hunts. Oh yeah, where the guys put peanut
butter on the end of the barrel and the thing
comes up, like I said, they shoot it.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah, I see that stuff all the time. I went
to a guy's house and they had this like you know,
they're feeding all these like crazy minerals and all this thing,
and I'm like, that's embarrassing. Why do you want that
thing on?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (43:35):
It's like, show me. He's in this blind, they have
a camera, they're and they're drinking, you know, and they
shoot this thing at like five yards and I'm like,
that's not hunting, right in Texas, that's kind of hunting.
Like I feel like you got to serve forward a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, there's you know, we've been on hunts where first
day we killed something by grace of God and it's
still awesome. But man, the first one that I killed,
it took me five trips, like thirty something days, and
that's the only one that's hanging on the wall. And
it's a five by five. It's not even a big elk,
but it's you know, it means something. And so yeah,

(44:06):
this is the shared suffering. It's the brotherhood, it's the
you know memories you have with that. But yeah, it's
having that date and having something to push towards or
train for, and you know, we to go back to
you know, we'll do high heart rate shooting. We've done
like eighty percent of a deadlift for three or four reps.
Shoot on the minute and you know, just to tax
that nervous system. But guys are just like, oh, you

(44:28):
can't do that, And You're like no, because when that
animal walks out and you start doing this, you know,
it's a way different experience.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, I watch like Bird's Sworn and those guys, you know,
they I mean, like Burden, those guys are like hitting
shots of like eighty yards. So I like, go out
and of course I set up. I'm like, we see
if I can hit these things, and I'm just losing
twenty dollars, but like like arrows to the point where
they're like going in the grass and I have no
find them.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I'm like, that's the worst.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I just lost like two hundred arrows trying to hit
this thing.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
And I thought our tie was cheaper than shooting rifles.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, and then I got to go buy new arrows,
and the guys got to explain it, and you know,
oh my god, we got to oh shop here.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
If you move to Cookville, oh man, still hot, but
not as it's not as this is, and you get
like two to three months. Like what I always tell
people is you got about six six weeks of you
got six to eight months of great weather, and then
we have two months of months.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Like I'm naive on Tennessee. We're in Nashville and your
your eastern Nashville.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, we're an hour eastern Nashville and our half west
of Knoxville and about an hour and a half north
of Chattanooga. So like Tennessee, I always tell people, Look,
when I was a kid, I was it looked like
a rifle, like a slanted rifle. We're like almost in
the middle, but more towards the east. Yeah, so the
right at the Appalachian Mountains are starting right now, like
in the.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Field, like it is it called the Smoky Mountains, Smoky Mountains,
So yeah, like that's that's a pretty are We were
driving around like this is beautiful.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
And it's starting to switch colors and it's it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Texas is by far the ugliest state of hill country.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I went. I went hunting in hill country the first time.
It's this year, and.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
That's where we live, okay, and it's the only part
that's at least doable. But we haven't got rain in
like five months, okay, so the entire thing is covered
in dust and dirt.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
We were in Amarillo this last weekend and it just
gray until you get to Palo Duro Canyon. I don't
know if you've been to Amarilla, and we do a
mountain bike race there, twenty four hour, four men relay
there every year and it's beautiful. Like I didn't know,
you know, I'd gone to Amarillo a bunch of times
and then they're like, hey, we're gonna go ride in
the canyon. I'm like, canyon, you know, your flat, flat, flat,
huge canyon and it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
But yeah, and like like I think it's a big bend.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
That whole area.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yes, real pretty, but for the most part texts pretty ugly.
I mean, and I can say that like you well
and that and also from California, And I think the
problem is is like he becomes such an elitist in
California just for the fact that the weather it's perfect
everywhere and it's most beautiful state in the planet.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Like like I was a couple of years ago, we
did a ride for Indian Motorcycle. Okay, they were coming
out with this new bike called the EPI Pursuit, So
they flew us to San Francisco and we rode these
bikes down like one all the way through to Joshua Tree.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
So it was like eight days where I got to
like basically ride through And I had grown up in California,
but I had never ridden a motorcycle like that. I mean,
We're driving through like Moral Bay and like, uh like
all the yeah good, and I'm like, I can't believe
I live in Texas. So I don't know, we'll see
where we go. But about every seven years I get
the itch to move and I look at some maybe

(47:14):
maybe potentially look at some new places. But my daughters
are in eighth grade, so they're getting ready to go
to high school, and so yeah, we're kind of in
a weird spot. I'll see how they go. But I
I do like the fact that I can hunt my land,
and I do that every single night because I have
to kill invasive species. So I have a tripod thermal
rifle and I shoot kind of an SBR three O

(47:35):
eight and then my son's got like that six arc
and we had like a three hundred blackout and so
he's he's on the cams too. U nine, Okay, Trice
is eight. He killed his first year last year. Yeah,
So I ended up shooting a big buck, and for
some reason, the two does that he was chasing just
were kind of like. The next day, we're like just
milling around lost, and I was like, man, like, we

(47:57):
could use those doughs. So I shot the one dough
and the other dough didn't run. He's like, Dad, can
I shoot it? And so he got behind that three
oh eight, pulled it like knocked it down at eighty
yards and I was like, oh you did, and then yeah,
like it was nothing, like didn't even hesitate. And I
looked at him I was like, well, he's like, oh,
it's the same radical from uh Fortnite. Oh jeesus, And
I was like, what is this game? So he's been

(48:20):
playing this Fortnite game and they were like he's like
a wizard shooting this thing. And I was like, dude,
and he said, can I get a gun? I'm like, yes,
let's go get it right now.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
And so he'll go out there and I think he's
going to spoil hm because we shoot everything suppressed. Yeah,
and we just sit in the back and plank and
you know, set up targets and different things, and he
loves it.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
So, like they can't do that in California.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
His son killed three doughs. The other night. We were at
across friend of ours runs a he's got fifteen hundred acres.
That's where it was.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
They take, uh, so he's got landowners. Well, well, so
has hunting season started?

Speaker 3 (48:53):
It has, But Tennessee, you can kill three dos a day.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
You can kill two antlered bucks for the entire season,
three domes a day. And so this guy has fifteen
hundred acres. He takes critically ill kids and vets on
hunts and so you know, they're mostly buck hunts, and
so he's just got all these doughs that need to
be cleaned up. So, like, what, eight of us went
out there the other night and Ji, his son, was
the only one that killed. We all had deer, but

(49:19):
none within range. Nothing was within like seventy yards and
gi birds. Text in the group He's like killed, one
reloaded killed, another one reloaded killed, the third one. We're done.
And I was like, you, maastard.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
So we for our wildlife exemption, I have to take
five I have to like basically call five doughs.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
We're supposed to taking one buck with like two bucks.
So for like one year I decided just to kind
of like let him go and I didn't take any bucks.
And then that next year, about a week before hunting season,
he was he got hit on the road. Oh and
my wife's like the big bucks on the road, and
so I like jumped in my truck and somebody had
like and people take road kill time to Texas. So
the guy somebody ended up put in the back of
the truck and was driving away. I could see myntlers.

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I was like, oh, so now I realized when I
see him, I got to take him down.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
That's the neighbors around here. Nothing's growing past a four point,
not a chance.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
So this is interesting and maybe have opinion on this,
but I always thought that like the genetics were either
like an a point or a ten point or this. Yeah,
I didn't know that they could actually grow from like
an eight to a ten and kind of grow.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Way more things. Yeah, you know, I think genetics have
a lot to do with it. And there's you get
some goofy type stuff and different you know, points off
of them, but yeah, a lot of it has to
do with the dough, right, And I'm not I.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Think everyone's some of them are just like skank cracks.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
But so for for years I've been killing eight points
because I wanted to try to like let the ten
point genetics go. And I told that to a guy
and he's like, that's not a real thing. I'm like,
did I just learn?

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Well?

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah, I was, what do you mean? He goes, no,
eight points are grown.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
To ten points?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
And I was like, no, way have I been like
misdoing this all these years? And then I realized, I'm like, man,
maybe I'm not country enough.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
You're eating it.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, oh we always do. Yeah, we we have an
incredible processor. We take it there, I eight deer sausage
last night, right, we do like I'll cook it in
like a big like I guess, like a Dutch Boy pot,
and then we just put in like tomato sauce and
I make the kids like spaghetti getty. Heck yeah yeah
with that deer sausage. Like this is great.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
I mean, I'm sure a lot of the guys on
here be like I never shoot an eight point, but
I'm an equal opportunity, especially here in Tennessee where we're
at in Tennessee, all of our neighbors are going to
shoot something if it's an eight or less. I had
a neighbor. One of my neighbors told me he shot
a big bodied spike here one year, and I was like, sweet,
you know, big bodied spike, bodied spike.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, so yeah, I do need to shoot my bow more.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
But I find myself like therapeutic. That's why I do it,
Like I just enjoy. You know, with a gun, you
gotta like there's just way more into it, right, you know,
with a bow, I can just We've got papers from
twenty yards out to one hundred in the front yard,
and then we've got five targets over here property. Yeah,
it's beautiful here, and then you know, you got the
the stressful part about not shooting the bison behind the target.

(52:00):
But other than that, you know, it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
It's a lot of land to manage. Yeah, I like
I so like I said that, we have a little
bar and creek cruncher a property and because the old
man built a damn it's kind of like capture water.
But it's super overgrown and so I have to I've
been cleaning this thing out and like have to manage
all this land, and like you got to have equipment.
I got to have stuff to fix the equipment and
like the amount of work that I have to do.
When people talk about land, I'm like, yep, I would

(52:23):
have land, but I want to have a house about
ten miles away that's on a piece of property where
I never had, Like literally, I want to have like
where I could cut the lawn with like scissors and
then and then yeah, and then I want like something
like this because we're all on one and then I
would just build it. And then because I work on
trucks and fabricate, so which is another one, Like if
you're gonna have all stuff. Well, you got to be

(52:44):
able to weld.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Oh, yeah, for sure. So if you can't weld, oh
that's why you and Watkins were walking welding.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Well and trucks and all that like, because so like
that's the greatest way to learn to weld. It's just
fabricate off road trucks.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah. Yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
I do have a question, So, talking sports specific training,
you went from football to all of a sudden just
training these are jiu jitsu guys didn't know much about it, right,
So just what did you learn in there or immediately said, well,
I need to train this differently for these guys compared
to So.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
There was a lot of epiphanies that I had in
the training model in that the theories I had about
training were one thing. But then when you start going
and teaching seminars, and I was very fortunate to teach
like hundreds of seminars around the globe, and basically people
would show it for the CrossFit deal and I get
to put them through to like a two day strength
and conditioning I guess you could say diagnostic. And I

(53:42):
realized that the people that I was working with were
the least athletic versions of themselves. And the reason being
is that they'd effectively morphed into something that just looked
like saginal playing bilateral hip pinching. And you know, I
mean the problem is is that's the way the crossfait
was design cross at mainsight is that it was just
nothing but bilateral hipinging and a saginal plane. And athleticism

(54:03):
happens in three planes of motion, you know, saginal, frontal,
and transverse. You know different you know, primal patterns X,
y and z access. You can be able to step,
squad and lunch, you know, in the different upper body stuff.
And so what I did is I looked at the
model for sports like let's say, like you know, athleticism,
and then I created my own definition of athleticism based
upon you know, what we had seen, which was the

(54:23):
ability to seemlessly and effortlessly combined primal movement patterns based
to accomplish the own or novel task. And based upon
that model of athleticism, you know, similar to CrossFit defined fitness,
I'd defined athleticism. Now this is where things get really wild.
Fitness is personal, right, So to say that fitness is
universal is a complete misnomer, right, being like, the fitness

(54:43):
that you need to hunt is different than the fitness
that you needed to win across the games. So to
say that everybody need like has the same degree of
fitness just didn't make sense to me. Athleticism it's universal.
You can watch somebody. And I told Rory this. I
obviously saw you in the cross of games. I'm like, man,
this guy's.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Kill in it.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
But I never really I didn't know whether or not
you were athletic or not, right, and then I saw
you play like a clip of flag football and you
rolled out and you threw back across your body, and
I was like, he's athletic. Right, So for me, I
had to see you do something, do something, do something athletic.
I get that just basically going in a front like
straight line, just basically suffering.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
You can't it's not athleticism.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, well, I mean I remember Kalipa right, like they
did that zigzag run and he looked like he almost
broke his ankles. And like I've trained with Jason, I've
seen him and that's not his strong suits, not athleticism.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
He's our freaking straight forward athlete. But in that you know,
you give him one task, right.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah, And so what I'm focused on is how do
I make the most athletic version of yourself? Because athleticism
is the ultimate like pretty girl in the room, right, Like,
I'm not a Ferrari guy, but if a front engine
B twelve Ferrari pulls up, I'm gonna hear that noise.
I'm I'll be like, oh my god, that thing sounds amazing.
So athleticism, to me is the gold standard. So how
do I take somebody and make a more athletic version
of themselves? So when I started training these guys, I

(56:01):
knew that they were highly skilled at jiu jitsu, right,
but I didn't know how athletic they were. So I
put them into the same model because I had always
viewed athleticism in terms of like standing on your feet,
like imagine a linebacker, you know, being able to move.
But now all of a sudden, you talk about people
that play a sport that's a more competed, a sport
that's like a three sixty gyroscope. They have to be

(56:21):
strong in positions which I had never seen, like on
your back here and this I mean to play bottom,
play top. And so when I put them into the
model and then the feedback I got from Shanji is
they're strong in positions they should not be strong in.
They have something different than what they had before. And
that was kind of the piece I knew, and I
was like, oh, so athleticism exists. It doesn't matter if

(56:42):
you're standing on your feet if on your back. But
they also have to have a high level training environment, right,
Like the training is one thing, but the sports specific
adaptation and who's around you and the competition. These guys
have the most competitive training environment I've ever seen, Like
I've never seen people going and legitimately try to kill
each other for hours. And with that, it's like, you know,

(57:03):
I mean, so they have the environment, they have the skill,
they have the early adaptation, and they learned all that
before they were strong. So I always think too, like
Olympic lifting, if somebody's pretty strong when they come to
Olympic lifting, they're going to muscle the bar. If they're
pretty weak when they start Olympic lifting, they got to
figure it out. Then they got to figure it out
and then they get strong later. These guys start at
such a young age, before they were strong, all they
had was technique, and then they grew big and we

(57:24):
gave them strength and now they're just savages and like
in a good way. I used that word once in
this guy. This African dude was like, that's kind of
a like not a good word in Africa, and I
was like, well, here, if somebody said that guy's a
savage in the NFL, but dude's a savage, that's a
good thing to us. But yeah, it was just basically,
there is a model for athleticism, and that when you

(57:45):
put people into the model that we've developed within the
training space, I can you know, improve upon that. And
then what's also cool with the way that with athleticism
the blueprint I created, I can lay that on top
of other people's programs and see where they're deficient and
then help them. Okay, why can't I do this? We'll
show me where you train this. Like one of the
ones that we talked a lot about is a hip extension.
Hip extensionally happens when you sprint, when the knees behind

(58:07):
the glute.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
So like just standing up and like closing your hips
on a squat's not hip extension. Hip extensionally happens when
the knees behind the glute, So how do you train
that if you don't sprint like maybe like a Bulgarian
split squad, but you have to sprint, you have to
do things for your knees behind the glute. Is that's
one of the fundamental patterns of athleticism. If you don't
do something with a knee behind the glute, then like
you're leaving terrible hipps. You're not training a hip extension.

(58:31):
And then how would you understand these positions? If I
don't understand how to move my trunk and be stable
and strong in these different positions, Like if you don't
train it or you don't know to train it, then
how do you know what you're deficient at. I think
what was fascinting about jiu jitsu is that they're constantly
looking for like pressure test to where somebody's weak. Can
this guy play this garden here? And people get kind
of stuck into one side. But I need them be

(58:52):
both bilatterally strong and then also never putting them in
a situation where we ever take away from who they
are in their wheelhouse. It'd be like for you, you know,
like you had a wheelhouse that you knew.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
In that overhead squad and whatever. Yeah it's not as way.
Did you get deficient in that? Well?

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah, but but I mean like you should, like you know,
the age old like Ohay's train. Your weaknesses I thought
was horseeshit. Yeah, probably my profanity if to use any
of it. I didn't know if we were uh you know.
But so for me, I was always like I always
had fast hands. So I remember I ran in a
Michael Strahan at a club in New York years ago
and he's like, you know, when we get in there,

(59:29):
the one thing they circle you is say when they
call you the straw that stirs the drink. But they
also are like, your hands are so fast, don't let
this guy get his hands on you. And that was
what I was. I was fast, Like I could set
to a position, bend my knees, and I could shoot
my hands and I knew like whether you're not you're
playing hot hands or whatever like my brothers and I
played that on car trips for hours. So I was
always fast hands and like like we did speedback, I

(59:51):
did everything to keep my hands fast, and like that
was what I you know, quick punch, fast hands. I
was never not going to train that, right, So you
have to decide. I talk to all the young guys
that we train, is like, what's your wheelhouse? What do
you do better than anybody else? Let's pour gas on
that and then bring the other things up, the other
things up as you come. So training athletes is really interesting.
And you guys know this like it. Our brains in

(01:00:15):
our eyes are designed to see symmetry, right when you
watch somebody move, you know, like somebody can step off
of a curb and take Let's just like I watched you,
you know, roll out. I watched him roll out and
throw across his body and I was like, I've seen
athletic people do that, and I've seen unathletic people try
to do that. And if it doesn't look seamless and
nefferless and not easy, yeah, but you can train that

(01:00:35):
with repetition. And I've watched you know, Tom Brady incredible,
but he is able to fool people into thinking he's
more athletic than he says because he was so regimented.
But like if you watch him, like he probably can't
jump over real well. I mean he's better today than
he used to be, but like his mechanics and his
perfection and his attention detail was like nothing I ever saw.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
He just doesn't pick stuff up fast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, but then he but he's so driven.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
That he would do it. Yeah yeah, he'd figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Whereas I played with other guys that like like I.
We had a backup quarterback gun named j Feely, who
yeah yeah, so if you saw aj he kind of
look like an accountant and he was one of our backups,
Like he just like you didn't think he was a
football player. And I remember we played in a celebrity
golf tournament and like the place we were at out
of basketball court, he like went to and like shot
this fade away and I was like, wait a minute.

(01:01:23):
I was like where'd that come from? And like I
realized he was like he just was unassuming, but it
was incredibly athletic and moved really well. And that was
the interesting thing. Man. There were guys that like forced
their way through it, like putting like a you know,
like their shoulder the wind, I'm going to move this rock,
and the other people that was just seamless, neverless, gifted,
just gifted.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
So you still watch the NFL I do team.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Now, you know, I root four different teams based upon players.
So I worked with a kid named Will Fries who
came to me and his contract year end up signed
five years eighty million. Last year he was he was
in the Colts, he went to the Vice King. So
now I've been watching him and he's been playing great and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Uh Ions fan. So I was born in Michigan, so yeah, yeah,
how'd you get down here? My dad worked for TRW
airbag Inflators, moved moved the plant down here, and so
we've been here ever since. It's a bad place to
end up, No, it's pretty good. So but yeah, I'm
a Detroit sports fan, so it's been a rough upbringing. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
You know Hank Frayley who played center for me or
center next to me at the Eagles CC offense.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
A line which is awesome. Yeah, they've got a good
group there now with Dan and Catain Shepherd and dude.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
It's they're fun to watch at least. They have a great,
great staff and it's a good style of football.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
I love how everything runs in patterns, Like I was
watching Scatterboo play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Oh yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
That dude has about a three year expiration.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
That's what we were saying. I said, yeah, three is high. Yeah,
that's a high.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
He might not make it out of this year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
No, And it's fun to watch, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Dude, it's it's great. I love the fact that I
cannot believe that many teams past.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I was like, I was watch like I didn't really
watch them until we were going we were driving to
Oklahoma and we watched that playoff game with Arizona State.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
And oh h yeah the bowl game they played.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Or Texas maybe the first time I ever saw him too,
and I was like, I was like, he's puking on
the sideline, like I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
I was so impressed. And then when I got into
the draft and I'm like, I can't believe somebody's not
going to take a chance on the r the team's
passed up on them, and that kid's running the rock,
Like I haven't seen anybody run the rock like that
since like John Reggins, John Allstot like I played with
guys like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
We just talked about this on a podcast. I was
like coming back around to like the full back, you know,
tight end full back ish era.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
So they the the NFL got kind of neutered, you know,
it became just like the big pass game, and the
problem is that the defenses became so just unwilling to
hit anybody. Yep that I think now that like the
offenses are like, well, the defenses are soft because we're
nervous hit anybody. Let's just put a big full back there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
So now you see teams actually running a full back
just like, I can't believe. This is the best.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yeah, this is the football. I like, there's a football
you like, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
It's it's great to see the Yeah, it's like I
do like watching pro football. And the biggest reason now too,
is just they have so many cameras. Like I remember
the first time I was playing and they were stringing
cameras above us. It was kind of like a little
like nerving. Yeah, Like all of a sudden there's like
a camera like like right above your head and it's
aimed right at you, and you're like, i's got a

(01:04:28):
holding penalty and things on me. Yeah. But now they
have I think something like seventy five cameras, and if
you ever see, they're like shooting all over and they
can three D model stuff. So all of a sudden
they pull it out and they do this three sixty things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
It's incredible. I think what they've done better than anything
is they've made it such a fan experience from home,
like you understand what's going on. It's unbelievable. Yeah, yeah,
thank you. What else you guys got anything else? We
cover it all, You cover it all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
John that was also about it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Yeah, that's great, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
One.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I'm bum that I haven't met you guys before. Yeah,
I know, dude, you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Know, appreciate your both big fan bigs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
Yeah thing, thank you for having me, dude, this is great.
And is there anything any way I can never help
or contribute to, let me know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Let's do it. Anything else, Scott, that's good. Cool sou
mm hm hm

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