November 27, 2025 • 32 mins
In this episode of In Pursuit, Rich Froning sits down with Scott and Byrd to catch up on the past few weeks of hunting, training, and time in the Tennessee woods. They share the moments that stood out most. Bird guiding his family into some great deer. Rich taking his kids out for their own first experiences. The small, quiet parts of a hunt that remind you why the outdoors matters.
They also look back at their conversation with former NFL lineman and jiu-jitsu competitor John Welbourn and talk through what they learned about training with purpose, understanding backcountry demands, and why having a clear goal changes the way you prepare.
From big woods to backyard ridge lines, this episode is a reminder that the pursuit is not about perfect timing or perfect conditions. It is about showing up, preparing well, and making memories with the people who matter most.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Big old nanny dough and so we're sitting there and
he's like shoot him, thinking all right, we're early enough
that a buck might be coming after. She didn't seem
like anything was coming after, but we'll give it some time.
She came out probably thirty yards in front of us
and looked straight into blind and he's moving around and
doing whatever. So of course she starts to stop, and
(00:21):
I've made my mind up at that point. She made
me mad enough that I shot her. Oh out here.
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(00:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
Scott.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You're not the host. You've been like a regular on
the show. Well, we will be a regular on the show.
It's so weird doing these and succession and then they
come out later like we've done four podcasts since or
three at least since.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
This is four. This is four yep, Bird's bird. Well
he's only been gone like three days this week, but
it looks like he hasn't been on the podcast for
six weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
More than three days this week than last week.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
But we didn't do any podcasts next week. Yeah, uh
for in pursuit.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, to be fair, I did ask that we leave
first week and second week of November clear from guests.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well we did not do that, and next week is
ruined to be the host. We cannot hunt next week.
I cannot go to Illinois next week because we crammed
in four games in the middle of the rut. No
we can. I don't want to be heard.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
What we can I mean not next week, but we
could go second rut and once Nebraska's turn then we
can go.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But don't don't we have to use the don't we
have to use a gun?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Then gun's only two guns, only five days of the
whole season. So we're fine.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This is better if we're going to talk about the
John Wellborn episode, but we're going to talk about You're
hunting Tennessee and his hand, You're hunting Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You're just always the bridesmaid over the bride. Huh for
the bride, I just guide from my family there you
do your wife only.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, but to be fair, so like she grew up
hunting with her dad in Louisiana, crap spots like she
so like my kids worse. I think she never saw
a deer like I don't know if this is how
Louisiana honey gets you go and you will not see
a deer the entire season.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, Mike has now killed more than anybody at this table.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Bigger, too, bigger for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But yeah, yeah, so what the one you killed? How
much bigger than that? U?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Do you remember what that one scored?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
No, no clue, but like on the looks like he's
got a couple he's similar, similar.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
But it's similar. Yeah, it's similar. He was he scored right,
I scored him. He had a broken G three, so
he was right at like one thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Okay, so it's it's a little bigger than that one
because they guesstimated like one thirty two or midwether or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, something I'd be more than happy with, which you did.
The Tennessee buck was a good buck for Tennessee. It
was very big.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, for Tennessee. It wasn't as big as this one.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
For Eastern Tennessee, Western Tennessee is you get some big monsters.
It seems like.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Swat Buck had a bigger like I did really good
on the frame, but just from like the pictures, Yeah,
bigger frame, but not as heavy yeah typically Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, but he was He's biggest deer I've ever seen
my house for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I just liked that with the picture. She didn't even
try to like church it up. She didn't even put
camel on.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
No, Yeah, we could talk. That was a cool hunt.
But I don't it is cool because, like I said,
so she didn't kill her first buck until like twenty
twenty one, and this is only her second and third.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
She crammed him in within a week.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, so it but the one at the house.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So Bird's house is back like this isn't like Bird's
house is back in the way.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, it's two miles single gen you.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Probably have what half acre cleared where your house it's on,
and so everything else. So they will regularly send pictures
and videos.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, there's animals all around us.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
We're like in the woods and they have no dogs
correct run everything off or mountain bike traus. I don't
think anything.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So I was on the side porch and I heard
him snort weed. So it's on the top of a
ridge and then it just drops all around us. So
he was on the bottom and I heard him snort weeds.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
He was with the dough.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So she went behind the chicken coop looking and I
just stayed on the porch and she was like, he's big.
So I went inside, got her the crossbow, and from
then it was like elk hunting, really because you guys
call it him no, but he was with the dough.
We saw. So we're on a ridge and then they
circle the whole ridge is what they do. So I
(05:27):
knew where they were going. I was like, hey, we're
gonna drop. We're gonna go on the side, drop below
this ridge, and we can sneak up a little bit
to get in shooting range because there's a bench down there.
I know where they walk. I got a saddle right there.
There's another white oak tree right there too. I was like,
we can sneak down the side of the ridge cut
him off. So we went that way, went down and
(05:48):
then came back up where they couldn't see and they
both stopped at that white oak tree right probably ten
yards from my saddle spot, and she said she was
like at forty eight yards, so I ranged him. It's like, hey,
wind's blowing hard. You got to shoot a little right.
So she had a crossbow. She made a good shot,
got it in the heart.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And you were wearing clothes.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Camera with him at least.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yes, we were cleaning our porches off.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's why he's just sitting his house. And a bigger
buck than I've ever seen in my life out but.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, normal clothes. We were doing stuff. But it was Halloween.
It was Halloween Day.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So and then the last week, I mean, it's just
a spot we always go. It's a great It's weird
because it's only twenty acres, but there's big woods, and
then all the big woods just funnel to this twenty
acres just like ends at this guy's house for me
and Nelson stay at.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But how far is it from Nelson? Buddy of ours
has one hundred.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's fifty acres to sixty sixty acres. Sorry, yea, it's
twenty minutes from his house. Oh okay, so it's less miles.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But as the crow flies. Yep, So I mean same thing. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
We were just sitting there. It was slow, but Monday
morning was just on. We saw two doughs, six spikes.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
This was Sunday.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
No, it's Monday morning, right, No, you killed it on
Sunday morning. Yeah, Monday we didn't see anything. Uh, six
spikes and then we just sat all day. So he
came in at twelve thirty. We had him on camera
before and not really with a dough, but I guess
looking and then the same thing. I ranged him said,
(07:39):
he's you know, he's quartering away. Don't shoot, quarter and two,
don't shoot. Then he got broadside, so wait till he
takes a step forward with that leg, and then he did.
She was like cash shooting. So yeah, he's had forty
five yards. So she hit double lung with that cross
the bog again.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
But were you in a buddy standard like a double seven?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay? Oh really you can't see the video now you
can see the little like curtain.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Oh yeah, I didn't see it. I just saw the photos.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah. No.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So the way it's set up, there's like a levee
and then it just drops. So we set the tin
up on the levee so we'll elevated and then there
the deer just run in this bottom all right there
there's cow pastures all around us, so it's pretty cool, man. Yeah,
But then after that they shut down, so Nelson saw
(08:26):
some at his place.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And then out.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So we have at least that I set up this
year kind of explain it. So it's it's forty acres,
but there's agfiel all around it, and the guy, the owner.
We hunted there in the past, but the owner wanted
to not farm it anymore and just like grasses grow,
so this year the whole field we put switch in.
(08:50):
So we put switch and then probably i'd say two
acres of clover and then another Acrebraska's different areas, so
the way it is, it's all from big Time, Yes,
all from Big Time, not the switch because they don't
sell it. But the north line of property is a creek,
(09:11):
so we set up the south and east side to.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Be able to hunt. So got to have a north wind.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, you can have a southeast wind and hunt the
south side of property of the corner, which isn't a
bad spot, but north wind would be best ideal for sure.
So I wanted to sit there just because the grass
has started growing all in the clover. Johnson's grass got
really bad this year, so it's very spotty, but they
(09:38):
are eating it. But I wanted to see in the
switch grass where they were traveling, because trying to funnel
them into like where we can actually shoot them. But dude,
the way it was, they would just go and jump
through the grass like middle of the field. So set
there one iosaw twelve, but there was no.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like rhyme or reason where they would.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Go where they would come out at. Yeah, so next
year should be better. The next year should be even
better once we get that grass growing up really good.
There is big deer there, like I killed. I shot
a big deer there, so didn't Nelson before. But the
thing is is, like you set up a new property
(10:19):
like that, it just takes time, you know what I.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Mean about three years usually, which Nelson is in full
panic about redoing everything after one year. That doesn't sound
like Nelson.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
In two years for him that he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
No, but they did a big overhaul this year.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, this is third hunting season. I think, like, dude,
I didn't even I took Ji there one afternoon at
his place and the other time I just didn't go, like,
I don't want to shoot a deer at his place
before him, before him, you know what I mean, dude,
you have you can just have it. I won't hunt
here for now.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Was the buck that Micah killed or the one you
saw on camera?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I had a few times.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, because I remember before you went up your.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Your Yeah, that property. You can't like be picky, like
it's not like you can say, I'm gonna save this
deer for next year.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, because it sounds like a perfect place.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He would he would have been a really good deer
next year. But uh, yeah, you just got to take.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
What It's always a lot like our property where the
neighbor's gonna kill a big bodied spike.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, because like gun season, some other people may go
there and they're just killing. Yeah, they'll kill does whatever.
So it's a good spot for like them. It's a
good spot to take the kids because you can the
way it's set up, we can get in easy getting out.
It's not in a far walk or anything, so it
sets up like perfect for them.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But yeah, it was a good season.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
She's tagged out.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yep, but she can that's five.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's five deer because John killed the three does in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You guided five man, You got a lot of meat.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I'm looking for donations.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
We have plenty. We just killed a dome and Trice.
Trice has been out with me. I've taken each of
the girls. We went to No I did not take
Violet yet too, Scott Scott's place, but that place is awesome.
I think we've talked about a little bit of the
podcast fifteen n Acres. He takes a lot of critically
(12:21):
sick kids and then vets, and so I think we're
gonna partner with them on some stuff. But anyway, taking
the girls or taking Lakeland and Trice one of his buddies,
Me and Violet sat one evening. We didn't see anything
that was here at the house. And then I've sat
(12:42):
two nights. Another night, I sat two nights now with Trice.
First night this week, it was it snowed a little bit,
not a real snow, but some snow on the ground,
and it was snowing, so I was gonna go out.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
It was an aggressive cold front too. Yeah, Trice sixties thirties, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And I wanted to kind of go by myself and
find a good spot I went one morning Saturday morning.
I did go by myself Saturday morning with my bow
and it's muzzleloader season with my bow, and had an
eight come through. He was just about seventy five yards
and through some thick stuff. Had hog come through and
then saw six little six. It's probably that Angelo buck
(13:19):
that we've seen the last saw last year. A bunch
cruising and so I thought, all right, I'll go back
to that stand and sit in the evening, thinking I
don't think it's a great evening spots big woods, open woods.
It's a really good rifle or muzzleloader spot. It's not
a great bow spot because there's not a ton of funnel.
There is a pretty good rub there. We try to
make a mock scrape, nothing's really hit it. But Trice
(13:44):
wanted to go, so like, all right, we'll go. I
can't really sit in a buddy stand because it was cold, cold,
and I knew he would last on hour tops. So
we went ground blind sitting there and right at right
at sundown, we got probably thirty minutes left. Fawn comes
up and I'm thinking they're gonna come from across. There's
a betting spot on the far side. I've got the
(14:05):
muzzle order. We're on the far side, and I'm thinking
they're gonna come across or over, and of course they
come fifteen yards from us to our left. Little fawn
comes out. Trice is like, shoot it. I had to.
I'm not gonna shoot a fawn, not this time of year,
and so all of a sudden that wouldn't have fun.
It was a yearlingk and uh it was a small dough.
(14:28):
Then then comes a big, big, old nanny doe and
so we're sitting there and he's like, shoot it, thinking
all right, we're early enough that a buck might be
coming after. She didn't seem like anything was coming after,
but we'll give it some time. She came out probably
thirty yards in front of us and looked straight into
blind and he's moving around and doing whatever. So of
(14:48):
course she starts to stomp, and I made my mind
up at that point. She made me mad enough that
I shot her.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well of course too for him, that's a better that's
a better spirit and nothing. Then you you let some
dough walk and he's like, what is the point it
was going out?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Fired up, especially because Watkins had text us right before
that and he'd missed a dough.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
How does he cause you guys gutted her out there
and I saw you had her hanging and stuff. How
does like he? I know he loves that process. Do
you like playing with the heart and all that?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He wants the heart. That's the first thing he wants
every time, is the heart. Dad, get the heart. Can
we see the heart? Let's set the heart. I don't
know why did you keep it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I could see tries doing the like Luke Skywalker and crying. Yeah,
he's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He loves it, man, Yeah, he's fired up. We came
back to the house. The girls all came out and
they wanted to come help and do that. So it's
well worth it. But you're still like, man, I want
to see a buck. Yeah, and shoot a buck. I've
still not shot one off this property.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Where do you think they're You think they're bedding close
to here.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I think they're betting on this the way Enchanton is.
I think they're betting on the would be the south side.
I know some bed on the north side of it,
north and kind of back corner. There's some cedars that
I always see him go into. Yeah, I don't know
where the bucks are bedding though. Jack has seen that
(16:15):
nine come out of those cedars over there on the
south side of the hill. And then I guess he
saw a goofy buck this morning, had four on one side,
two on the other. I don't know if he's broke
or what. And then that where we planted those brassicas
and all that stuff over there, they're they're betting on
that ridge right there. I've got two bucks on camera
kind of cruise in that ridge top, but that's where
(16:38):
the old man sits.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, that Tennessee deer.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Was. I had a drag him up the hill good ways. Yeah,
it was.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It was a workout.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It was My back got pretty tight, but it was.
I mean it was one hundred yards straight up ours
was not.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
We just I drove right over to I watched her
die wait a little. It drove over to her, had
Trice hand me the legs, and just dead lifted her
into the back of the ranger like perfect.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, that's the only bad thing about the hills. It's
pretty tough because it's steep. It's not like you can't
even get a side by side down it. In fact,
Micah drove a four wheeler off from one of them.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Not on it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
She jumped off right before.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
But yeah, it went flipping down the kamak.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Does that total it?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's it's still down there, down there, dude, I'm not
going get it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
What kind is it?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's just so yellow home, but it's like it's part
of the the landscape.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It is.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
There's no way it's gonna be a good picture. We
can pull it up, but all the rims all bet.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
People are going to come across at some point thousands
of years. Yeah, what happened here? They're going to look
for bones. Surely someone died in this accident. Nope, Yeah,
that's crazy. It was, well it should be. Talk about
the giant jacked jiu jitsu coaching John Welborn we had
in town.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, yeah, man, I think it's pretty cool. He was
a giant human being that I would not want my
want his hands to get a hold of me and
no doing jiu jitsu or not. Sounds like a not
a fun experience, But yeah, it's pretty cool. That played
several seasons NFL, still getting after it, still doing some
(18:27):
fitness and competing in jiu jitsu.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Did you guys work out after the podcast?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
We did a little pump slash. We kind of we
did something different than what he was doing. He wanted
to do some echo bike and some pump sash. We did,
uh rope climb. Did you you were there? You didn't participated?
Leave real quick after I thought you were here.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I wasn't there for the workout.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Like I swear you say, Rory stayed his echo bike
push up rope climb. Now that I think about it,
yeah we did that. After he didn't do that, he
just echo biked and then everyone's want to do some
bench and some lap pull down and some rowse. But yeah,
it was cool just hearing you know, similar philosophies I
(19:12):
guess on training. You know, yeah, you can specialize. There's GPP,
which we do a lot of, which is general physical praireredness.
But if you know the demands of what you're trying
to do, then you can specialize a little bit, and
there is some benefit to that. I wouldn't call it
pure specialization. We don't do that whatsoever, but you can
(19:33):
if you know the demands of what you're going to do,
you can get close to it and start you know,
attacking those certain things or certain movements. And then also
the view that you've got to have something to train
for or we need something to train for else kind
of what's the point, right, Yeah, what do you think?
What was your takeaway?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I just was taken aback by how large he was.
It was kind of it was kind of like whenever
we had Zach on the podcast, Like I've known Zach longer,
but just seeing how big so John was an offensive
lineman for I think like ten years. Zach's like, you're
eight defensive linemen and thinking about like two humans that
(20:11):
size colliding with each other every single Yeah, it's like
two grizzly bears fighting after play.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You need your video that they posted at the Grizzly
Bears fighting.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I've seen a cow. I didn't see it specifically. Gosh, yeah,
I don't know how. I don't know how those animals
come out alive from fighting.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like that that powerful, that a paw that sharp.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, like the offensive and that's all
I can think about is those two guys colliding play
after play. It's it's got to be like a car accident.
But yeah, it was cool. And also when you see,
like thinking about him like rolling around on the ground,
I would not want to be in that situation and
knowing that the guys that he trains he's having a tap.
(20:55):
I can't imagine how like they're able to put him
in positions to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So do you think he's.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
It's like that's with training for the woods specifically, some
people are very specific in their training. So do you
think like he is too specific or is he kind
of overall what he does as far as because he
trains people for their specific you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I think if you know the demands of what
you're trying to do, then yeah, you should specialize. Like
if NFL guys know that, hey, I'm gonna be working
for six seconds then resting for thirty thirty forty seconds,
and I need to be going all out on my
six seconds, then yeah, absolutely, why would you not train
that way? CrossFit we do a lot of movements that
(21:47):
are unnecessary for some of those guys especially, and then
jiu jitsu as well, Like you've got to have a
good range of motion in your hips and shoulders and those,
but you got to be strong through those range of motion.
You have to do those types of things, So yeah,
why would you not if you know for certain you're
doing something, Why would you not prepare in a specialty
in a special fashion. And so I think with what
(22:11):
we do is we kind of stay fit year round
or try to bring up different you know, build a
hedge is what you would say of fitness, and then
we specialize a little bit, like try to do broad
and inclusive fitness and then leading up to six eight weeks,
still do some of that fitness, but also add in
the staremaster, add in rucking, add in sled pushing, those
(22:34):
types of things. Well, if you do those things year
round and you continuously just train those single modalities or
single movements, I think one you're gonna have some burnout.
Two you're gonna have injury because you're doing the same
repetitive thing like running is one of the most repetitive
and highest injury rates out there. Yeah, you just it is.
It is what it is. And so if we can
(22:55):
strengthen through a full range of motion with a squad,
you know, build some strength in the legs, you do
other movements, you know, picking up sand bags, odd objects,
getting your body out of that like perfect form, perfect
you know healthy. I don't want to say healthy because
you know we were talking eshually we had pad in
(23:17):
which you'll see later like picking up a sand bag. Yes,
we want you to have a pretty a flat back
and as much as you can, but at some point
you're gonna get out of a flat back. You're gonna
twist a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, when you're out in the mountains, you're not always
moving in a perfect form, perfect ranges.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Of motion, no but ground. But if you have good
range of motion in your hips, in your knees, those
types of things you're getting up and over some blowdown
or you know, getting those are the main the main
things you're getting over falling. Yeah, you've got to be
able to like I know that very well. The stronger
you are if you do fall, the less likely to
(23:52):
have an injury like upper body guys get you know,
well why do so much upper body? The stronger you
are upper body, the more like protect did you're going
to be in a fall. The year that I you know,
remember I had that shoulder injury. I fell more time
than I could remember because I couldn't put my arm
out and so I would just eat the fall right
or just I couldn't balance.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Like Scott with the camera.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I fall ten times a day when maybe fifteen.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, there's several.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, but I always save the camera.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I always save the camera. Yeah, I always say the
But I did that that one year when my shoulder
was really bad. I fell Like that was an odd
odd amount of falls that year because one I couldn't
you know, do the quick motion to like balance or
I wouldn't put my hand out. I would just eat
the fall. And so yeah, to that topic too.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think one of the things you guys talked about
on that podcast that is beneficial to a lot of
people that maybe more so that people that have been
doing fitness for a little longer just to keep it fresh,
but also they'll have to do this to make more
like progress is the periodization over the course of the year.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So like let's say let's say your goal is in September,
you're gonna hit your archery outcont or October or rifile
cont whatever it is, and you've peaked out your conditioning
for that hunt. Well after that hunt is over, now
you can move into more of the off season strain
the strength back up that you may have lost a
little bit of it in the conditioning phase getting ready
(25:14):
for You're always gonna do all of the things, but
you're emphasizing different parts and I think that was a
like interesting thing you guys touched on.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, and I also think you know, leading up to that, Yeah,
you need to have that volume, you need to have
the time on your feet post that you can get
a ton of benefit by increasing the intensity and doing
a little less volume. Let the body kind of heal
up from that phase of doing a ton of miles
and a ton of stepping and a ton of sled pushing. Granted,
(25:45):
you know those things don't necessarily beat you up as
much as if you were pure running every day running
with a ruck, but you know that volume over time
will take a toll on you. So let's build it back,
get back to you know, full range of motion on stuff.
Build some strength because like you said, you've lost You've
probably lost some strength. Yea, I'm doing it right now
(26:05):
and losing weight. Yeah I'm doing Yeah you lost weight. Yeah,
I'm literally doing that right now. So my aerobic conditioning
was so good during hunting season, but I think I
definitely lost strength. So now I'm still doing workouts so
I don't get completely deconditioned. And of course, in like
six weeks we're rowing for a full day, but at
the same time really emphasizing for.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
The next maybe twelve weeks. Uh strength work strength, h yeah,
but we'll Yeah, both got to build the base of
the pyramid so we can go taller. You know, it's right,
Build back better, build back better. That'll be That'll be
me next you twice.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You work out at all last week at some hunting camp.
So did you take anything with you or did you
go to stuff there? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
We have a full full gym and the born.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Nelson's drive there every day. I just feel better, like
the times that we went to like Ritz's place and
we sat a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I will say the Christmas tree cakes and stuff though
it was full of.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Fact any Gapins said you could do that.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Hey, this is the best time, dude, when those Christmas
tree cakes come out. Oh, put them in the freezer.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
They're so good.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Andy Gapin's going to sue Bird for defamation. Defamation because
he's going to give him a bad name.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'm saying this one.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
There wasn't like any offset.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So dude, you'd loved Elk camp this last time. There
was a lot of snacks billings, was there?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah? We Well, also Rich did he did, like the
like the pre order so that you can just show
up and all your stuff's there. And I feel like
there was a balance. But I feel like you kept
it a little like healthier.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I tried to make it a little healthier.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, he sent even though you put it at I put.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It in rifle, and somehow Walmart still reverted back to Cookville.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, so all our groceries were in cooked. So we shopped,
and I think it was it went a very different
direction shopping in person because by the time we got there,
like you're tired, hungry, everything sounds good.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I just want to get it over with.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
We did hit it in and out on the way
out and the way back, that little celebratory out in
and out.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, we hit in and out, in and out. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Billings is first run in within and out as well.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah it was yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, So yeah, I feel better, you know, like even
if I'm gonna I'll probably go out and sit here
this afternoon just for a little bit. Hunt why he
says it's not a good day, which means usually is
a good day. Any daylight Bucks I've ever had is
like ten percent movement day.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We were shooting a podcast on Tuesday, and while we
were podcasting, you had.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
A buck one another one come through an hour later.
Granted the second one wasn't a shoot of the first one.
I would have shot at least an eight and maybe
a nine.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So it's tough stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Tough crowd.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Angela's and Illinois right now and seeing one her buck
and it was he didn't have a shot at the buck.
And I think today's his last day.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh, today's last day.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah. Well back oh ever to hear, yeah, he's got
to get back for this weekend to dang. Yeah, So
that's tough for him if he doesn't kill anything he needs.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
That though he might he's been on some really good hunts. Yeah,
he's never been like on the hunts that we've been on.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He's been on one of them really okay.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
But we didn't know what we were doing. Yeah. Now
I feel like we need some redemption at.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That place maybe in a long time.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I need such a good spot in Colorad.
I don't know that we know it, and I think
it's great.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, anything else bird, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So. Do you know, are you gonna shoot something this fall?
Is it your turn? Now? Like with Micah do you
get to.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I mean, honestly, I Pattie really wants to.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Shoot a buck. Oh yeah, he said, She's like.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
She's so she wants first.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I want shoot a dough.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So our first year is going to be a man.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You're you're last in line.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, that's what happens when your dad's.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Got well, I don't get the hunt and my kid's
six months old, so I'm really screwed.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You can hunt here anytime, yep, I can.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I can sit here anytime.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You can sit here anytime.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I can look at Yeah, I I've seen at least
the year every time minus yesterday or two days ago,
depending on how the next two weeks go for me,
I might be here trying to kill a doe and Trice.
I've gone through all my sixth year. I killed last year,
all of our meats about gone.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Trice is pretty good luck. Actually, surprisingly, I don't know
how I've killed multiple times with Trice.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
This is Rich trying to say like, hey, you should
have Trice it with you. He's good luck.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
No, but I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and don't
don't have Trice it with you. I only uh killed.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
The funniest thing is the only time I've hunted with Trice.
He screwed up the hunt, but he didn't actually do
it on purpose.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
He did so we were didn't even notice him. Well,
he deer's coming in, but the deer didn't alert, didn't
do anything. He say he was when the wind shifted.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I think the sneeze made him alert to sneeze.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He that thing came, it was still coming in when
he sneezed.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Anyway, I missed that deer.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I wasn't gonna bring it up. It's fun shot just
under it happens. Yeah, all right, what else we got
we got?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Hopefully, me and you'll be going in December in a
couple of weeks and then maybe Illinois random trip depending
on the weather.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Are we going to be into uh in December with Nate? Yes,
we should try to record a podcast there, but actually
this time a little eas around a white tail hot.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah. We ran out of time that hole, Yeah, we
did not. We wouldn't get back till nine. Some people
wouldn't get back till ten.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I also was likely.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, and then Bill would get up at four thirty
every morning when we weren't getting up till five. We
didn't have to leave the house till six fifteen, six thirty.
And it's a wide open like cabin, and we were
upstairs in the loft and Bill would flip the light
on at four thirty and the whole cabin would just
have light in it and he'd just shuffle around. Yeah,
because he was on Michigan time, in his defense, Eastern time,
(32:21):
So it was five thirty for him. No, it was
six thirty because we're, oh, yeah, you're right, because we
had two hours. Yeah, So but he didn't care. No,
he didn't get too all right, Spike Camp, this is
like episode sixteen or something. All right, Peace,
Big old nanny dough and so we're sitting there and
he's like shoot him, thinking all right, we're early enough
that a buck might be coming after. She didn't seem
like anything was coming after, but we'll give it some time.
She came out probably thirty yards in front of us
and looked straight into blind and he's moving around and
doing whatever. So of course she starts to stop, and
(00:21):
I've made my mind up at that point. She made
me mad enough that I shot her. Oh out here.
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Speaker 2 (01:03):
Scott.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
You're not the host. You've been like a regular on
the show. Well, we will be a regular on the show.
It's so weird doing these and succession and then they
come out later like we've done four podcasts since or
three at least since.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
This is four. This is four yep, Bird's bird. Well
he's only been gone like three days this week, but
it looks like he hasn't been on the podcast for
six weeks.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
More than three days this week than last week.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
But we didn't do any podcasts next week. Yeah, uh
for in pursuit.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, to be fair, I did ask that we leave
first week and second week of November clear from guests.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well we did not do that, and next week is
ruined to be the host. We cannot hunt next week.
I cannot go to Illinois next week because we crammed
in four games in the middle of the rut. No
we can. I don't want to be heard.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
What we can I mean not next week, but we
could go second rut and once Nebraska's turn then we
can go.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
But don't don't we have to use the don't we
have to use a gun?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Then gun's only two guns, only five days of the
whole season. So we're fine.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
This is better if we're going to talk about the
John Wellborn episode, but we're going to talk about You're
hunting Tennessee and his hand, You're hunting Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
You're just always the bridesmaid over the bride. Huh for
the bride, I just guide from my family there you
do your wife only.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, but to be fair, so like she grew up
hunting with her dad in Louisiana, crap spots like she
so like my kids worse. I think she never saw
a deer like I don't know if this is how
Louisiana honey gets you go and you will not see
a deer the entire season.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Well, Mike has now killed more than anybody at this table.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Bigger, too, bigger for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But yeah, yeah, so what the one you killed? How
much bigger than that? U?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Do you remember what that one scored?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
No, no clue, but like on the looks like he's
got a couple he's similar, similar.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
But it's similar. Yeah, it's similar. He was he scored right,
I scored him. He had a broken G three, so
he was right at like one thirty nine.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Okay, so it's it's a little bigger than that one
because they guesstimated like one thirty two or midwether or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, something I'd be more than happy with, which you did.
The Tennessee buck was a good buck for Tennessee. It
was very big.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, for Tennessee. It wasn't as big as this one.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
For Eastern Tennessee, Western Tennessee is you get some big monsters.
It seems like.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Swat Buck had a bigger like I did really good
on the frame, but just from like the pictures, Yeah,
bigger frame, but not as heavy yeah typically Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, but he was He's biggest deer I've ever seen
my house for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I just liked that with the picture. She didn't even
try to like church it up. She didn't even put
camel on.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
No, Yeah, we could talk. That was a cool hunt.
But I don't it is cool because, like I said,
so she didn't kill her first buck until like twenty
twenty one, and this is only her second and third.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
She crammed him in within a week.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, so it but the one at the house.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So Bird's house is back like this isn't like Bird's
house is back in the way.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, it's two miles single gen you.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Probably have what half acre cleared where your house it's on,
and so everything else. So they will regularly send pictures
and videos.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, there's animals all around us.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
We're like in the woods and they have no dogs
correct run everything off or mountain bike traus. I don't
think anything.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
So I was on the side porch and I heard
him snort weed. So it's on the top of a
ridge and then it just drops all around us. So
he was on the bottom and I heard him snort weeds.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
He was with the dough.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So she went behind the chicken coop looking and I
just stayed on the porch and she was like, he's big.
So I went inside, got her the crossbow, and from
then it was like elk hunting, really because you guys
call it him no, but he was with the dough.
We saw. So we're on a ridge and then they
circle the whole ridge is what they do. So I
(05:27):
knew where they were going. I was like, hey, we're
gonna drop. We're gonna go on the side, drop below
this ridge, and we can sneak up a little bit
to get in shooting range because there's a bench down there.
I know where they walk. I got a saddle right there.
There's another white oak tree right there too. I was like,
we can sneak down the side of the ridge cut
him off. So we went that way, went down and
(05:48):
then came back up where they couldn't see and they
both stopped at that white oak tree right probably ten
yards from my saddle spot, and she said she was
like at forty eight yards, so I ranged him. It's like, hey,
wind's blowing hard. You got to shoot a little right.
So she had a crossbow. She made a good shot,
got it in the heart.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
And you were wearing clothes.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Camera with him at least.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yes, we were cleaning our porches off.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
That's why he's just sitting his house. And a bigger
buck than I've ever seen in my life out but.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, normal clothes. We were doing stuff. But it was Halloween.
It was Halloween Day.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So and then the last week, I mean, it's just
a spot we always go. It's a great It's weird
because it's only twenty acres, but there's big woods, and
then all the big woods just funnel to this twenty
acres just like ends at this guy's house for me
and Nelson stay at.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But how far is it from Nelson? Buddy of ours
has one hundred.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
It's fifty acres to sixty sixty acres. Sorry, yea, it's
twenty minutes from his house. Oh okay, so it's less miles.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But as the crow flies. Yep, So I mean same thing. Man.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
We were just sitting there. It was slow, but Monday
morning was just on. We saw two doughs, six spikes.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
This was Sunday.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
No, it's Monday morning, right, No, you killed it on
Sunday morning. Yeah, Monday we didn't see anything. Uh, six
spikes and then we just sat all day. So he
came in at twelve thirty. We had him on camera
before and not really with a dough, but I guess
looking and then the same thing. I ranged him said,
(07:39):
he's you know, he's quartering away. Don't shoot, quarter and two,
don't shoot. Then he got broadside, so wait till he
takes a step forward with that leg, and then he did.
She was like cash shooting. So yeah, he's had forty
five yards. So she hit double lung with that cross
the bog again.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
But were you in a buddy standard like a double seven?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Okay? Oh really you can't see the video now you
can see the little like curtain.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Oh yeah, I didn't see it. I just saw the photos.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah. No.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So the way it's set up, there's like a levee
and then it just drops. So we set the tin
up on the levee so we'll elevated and then there
the deer just run in this bottom all right there
there's cow pastures all around us, so it's pretty cool, man. Yeah,
But then after that they shut down, so Nelson saw
(08:26):
some at his place.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And then out.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
So we have at least that I set up this
year kind of explain it. So it's it's forty acres,
but there's agfiel all around it, and the guy, the owner.
We hunted there in the past, but the owner wanted
to not farm it anymore and just like grasses grow,
so this year the whole field we put switch in.
(08:50):
So we put switch and then probably i'd say two
acres of clover and then another Acrebraska's different areas, so
the way it is, it's all from big Time, Yes,
all from Big Time, not the switch because they don't
sell it. But the north line of property is a creek,
(09:11):
so we set up the south and east side to.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Be able to hunt. So got to have a north wind.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, you can have a southeast wind and hunt the
south side of property of the corner, which isn't a
bad spot, but north wind would be best ideal for sure.
So I wanted to sit there just because the grass
has started growing all in the clover. Johnson's grass got
really bad this year, so it's very spotty, but they
(09:38):
are eating it. But I wanted to see in the
switch grass where they were traveling, because trying to funnel
them into like where we can actually shoot them. But dude,
the way it was, they would just go and jump
through the grass like middle of the field. So set
there one iosaw twelve, but there was no.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like rhyme or reason where they would.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Go where they would come out at. Yeah, so next
year should be better. The next year should be even
better once we get that grass growing up really good.
There is big deer there, like I killed. I shot
a big deer there, so didn't Nelson before. But the
thing is is, like you set up a new property
(10:19):
like that, it just takes time, you know what I.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Mean about three years usually, which Nelson is in full
panic about redoing everything after one year. That doesn't sound
like Nelson.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
In two years for him that he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
No, but they did a big overhaul this year.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, this is third hunting season. I think, like, dude,
I didn't even I took Ji there one afternoon at
his place and the other time I just didn't go, like,
I don't want to shoot a deer at his place
before him, before him, you know what I mean, dude,
you have you can just have it. I won't hunt
here for now.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Was the buck that Micah killed or the one you
saw on camera?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yep?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, I had a few times.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, because I remember before you went up your.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Your Yeah, that property. You can't like be picky, like
it's not like you can say, I'm gonna save this
deer for next year.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, because it sounds like a perfect place.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
He would he would have been a really good deer
next year. But uh, yeah, you just got to take.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
What It's always a lot like our property where the
neighbor's gonna kill a big bodied spike.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yeah, because like gun season, some other people may go
there and they're just killing. Yeah, they'll kill does whatever.
So it's a good spot for like them. It's a
good spot to take the kids because you can the
way it's set up, we can get in easy getting out.
It's not in a far walk or anything, so it
sets up like perfect for them.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
But yeah, it was a good season.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
She's tagged out.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yep, but she can that's five.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's five deer because John killed the three does in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You guided five man, You got a lot of meat.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I'm looking for donations.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
We have plenty. We just killed a dome and Trice.
Trice has been out with me. I've taken each of
the girls. We went to No I did not take
Violet yet too, Scott Scott's place, but that place is awesome.
I think we've talked about a little bit of the
podcast fifteen n Acres. He takes a lot of critically
(12:21):
sick kids and then vets, and so I think we're
gonna partner with them on some stuff. But anyway, taking
the girls or taking Lakeland and Trice one of his buddies,
Me and Violet sat one evening. We didn't see anything
that was here at the house. And then I've sat
(12:42):
two nights. Another night, I sat two nights now with Trice.
First night this week, it was it snowed a little bit,
not a real snow, but some snow on the ground,
and it was snowing, so I was gonna go out.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
It was an aggressive cold front too. Yeah, Trice sixties thirties, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And I wanted to kind of go by myself and
find a good spot I went one morning Saturday morning.
I did go by myself Saturday morning with my bow
and it's muzzleloader season with my bow, and had an
eight come through. He was just about seventy five yards
and through some thick stuff. Had hog come through and
then saw six little six. It's probably that Angelo buck
(13:19):
that we've seen the last saw last year. A bunch
cruising and so I thought, all right, I'll go back
to that stand and sit in the evening, thinking I
don't think it's a great evening spots big woods, open woods.
It's a really good rifle or muzzleloader spot. It's not
a great bow spot because there's not a ton of funnel.
There is a pretty good rub there. We try to
make a mock scrape, nothing's really hit it. But Trice
(13:44):
wanted to go, so like, all right, we'll go. I
can't really sit in a buddy stand because it was cold, cold,
and I knew he would last on hour tops. So
we went ground blind sitting there and right at right
at sundown, we got probably thirty minutes left. Fawn comes
up and I'm thinking they're gonna come from across. There's
a betting spot on the far side. I've got the
(14:05):
muzzle order. We're on the far side, and I'm thinking
they're gonna come across or over, and of course they
come fifteen yards from us to our left. Little fawn
comes out. Trice is like, shoot it. I had to.
I'm not gonna shoot a fawn, not this time of year,
and so all of a sudden that wouldn't have fun.
It was a yearlingk and uh it was a small dough.
(14:28):
Then then comes a big, big, old nanny doe and
so we're sitting there and he's like, shoot it, thinking
all right, we're early enough that a buck might be
coming after. She didn't seem like anything was coming after,
but we'll give it some time. She came out probably
thirty yards in front of us and looked straight into
blind and he's moving around and doing whatever. So of
(14:48):
course she starts to stomp, and I made my mind
up at that point. She made me mad enough that
I shot her.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well of course too for him, that's a better that's
a better spirit and nothing. Then you you let some
dough walk and he's like, what is the point it
was going out?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Fired up, especially because Watkins had text us right before
that and he'd missed a dough.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
How does he cause you guys gutted her out there
and I saw you had her hanging and stuff. How
does like he? I know he loves that process. Do
you like playing with the heart and all that?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
He wants the heart. That's the first thing he wants
every time, is the heart. Dad, get the heart. Can
we see the heart? Let's set the heart. I don't
know why did you keep it? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I could see tries doing the like Luke Skywalker and crying. Yeah,
he's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He loves it, man, Yeah, he's fired up. We came
back to the house. The girls all came out and
they wanted to come help and do that. So it's
well worth it. But you're still like, man, I want
to see a buck. Yeah, and shoot a buck. I've
still not shot one off this property.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Where do you think they're You think they're bedding close
to here.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I think they're betting on this the way Enchanton is.
I think they're betting on the would be the south side.
I know some bed on the north side of it,
north and kind of back corner. There's some cedars that
I always see him go into. Yeah, I don't know
where the bucks are bedding though. Jack has seen that
(16:15):
nine come out of those cedars over there on the
south side of the hill. And then I guess he
saw a goofy buck this morning, had four on one side,
two on the other. I don't know if he's broke
or what. And then that where we planted those brassicas
and all that stuff over there, they're they're betting on
that ridge right there. I've got two bucks on camera
kind of cruise in that ridge top, but that's where
(16:38):
the old man sits.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, that Tennessee deer.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Was. I had a drag him up the hill good ways. Yeah,
it was.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It was a workout.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
It was My back got pretty tight, but it was.
I mean it was one hundred yards straight up ours
was not.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
We just I drove right over to I watched her
die wait a little. It drove over to her, had
Trice hand me the legs, and just dead lifted her
into the back of the ranger like perfect.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, that's the only bad thing about the hills. It's
pretty tough because it's steep. It's not like you can't
even get a side by side down it. In fact,
Micah drove a four wheeler off from one of them.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Not on it.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
She jumped off right before.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
But yeah, it went flipping down the kamak.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Does that total it?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
It's it's still down there, down there, dude, I'm not
going get it.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
What kind is it?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It's just so yellow home, but it's like it's part
of the the landscape.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It is.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
There's no way it's gonna be a good picture. We
can pull it up, but all the rims all bet.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
People are going to come across at some point thousands
of years. Yeah, what happened here? They're going to look
for bones. Surely someone died in this accident. Nope, Yeah,
that's crazy. It was, well it should be. Talk about
the giant jacked jiu jitsu coaching John Welborn we had
in town.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Yeah, yeah, man, I think it's pretty cool. He was
a giant human being that I would not want my
want his hands to get a hold of me and
no doing jiu jitsu or not. Sounds like a not
a fun experience, But yeah, it's pretty cool. That played
several seasons NFL, still getting after it, still doing some
(18:27):
fitness and competing in jiu jitsu.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Did you guys work out after the podcast?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
We did a little pump slash. We kind of we
did something different than what he was doing. He wanted
to do some echo bike and some pump sash. We did,
uh rope climb. Did you you were there? You didn't participated?
Leave real quick after I thought you were here.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
I wasn't there for the workout.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Like I swear you say, Rory stayed his echo bike
push up rope climb. Now that I think about it,
yeah we did that. After he didn't do that, he
just echo biked and then everyone's want to do some
bench and some lap pull down and some rowse. But yeah,
it was cool just hearing you know, similar philosophies I
(19:12):
guess on training. You know, yeah, you can specialize. There's GPP,
which we do a lot of, which is general physical praireredness.
But if you know the demands of what you're trying
to do, then you can specialize a little bit, and
there is some benefit to that. I wouldn't call it
pure specialization. We don't do that whatsoever, but you can
(19:33):
if you know the demands of what you're going to do,
you can get close to it and start you know,
attacking those certain things or certain movements. And then also
the view that you've got to have something to train
for or we need something to train for else kind
of what's the point, right, Yeah, what do you think?
What was your takeaway?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I just was taken aback by how large he was.
It was kind of it was kind of like whenever
we had Zach on the podcast, Like I've known Zach longer,
but just seeing how big so John was an offensive
lineman for I think like ten years. Zach's like, you're
eight defensive linemen and thinking about like two humans that
(20:11):
size colliding with each other every single Yeah, it's like
two grizzly bears fighting after play.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You need your video that they posted at the Grizzly
Bears fighting.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I've seen a cow. I didn't see it specifically. Gosh, yeah,
I don't know how. I don't know how those animals
come out alive from fighting.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Like that that powerful, that a paw that sharp.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, like the offensive and that's all
I can think about is those two guys colliding play
after play. It's it's got to be like a car accident.
But yeah, it was cool. And also when you see,
like thinking about him like rolling around on the ground,
I would not want to be in that situation and
knowing that the guys that he trains he's having a tap.
(20:55):
I can't imagine how like they're able to put him
in positions to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
So do you think he's.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
It's like that's with training for the woods specifically, some
people are very specific in their training. So do you
think like he is too specific or is he kind
of overall what he does as far as because he
trains people for their specific you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I think if you know the demands of what
you're trying to do, then yeah, you should specialize. Like
if NFL guys know that, hey, I'm gonna be working
for six seconds then resting for thirty thirty forty seconds,
and I need to be going all out on my
six seconds, then yeah, absolutely, why would you not train
that way? CrossFit we do a lot of movements that
(21:47):
are unnecessary for some of those guys especially, and then
jiu jitsu as well, Like you've got to have a
good range of motion in your hips and shoulders and those,
but you got to be strong through those range of motion.
You have to do those types of things, So yeah,
why would you not if you know for certain you're
doing something, Why would you not prepare in a specialty
in a special fashion. And so I think with what
(22:11):
we do is we kind of stay fit year round
or try to bring up different you know, build a
hedge is what you would say of fitness, and then
we specialize a little bit, like try to do broad
and inclusive fitness and then leading up to six eight weeks,
still do some of that fitness, but also add in
the staremaster, add in rucking, add in sled pushing, those
(22:34):
types of things. Well, if you do those things year
round and you continuously just train those single modalities or
single movements, I think one you're gonna have some burnout.
Two you're gonna have injury because you're doing the same
repetitive thing like running is one of the most repetitive
and highest injury rates out there. Yeah, you just it is.
It is what it is. And so if we can
(22:55):
strengthen through a full range of motion with a squad,
you know, build some strength in the legs, you do
other movements, you know, picking up sand bags, odd objects,
getting your body out of that like perfect form, perfect
you know healthy. I don't want to say healthy because
you know we were talking eshually we had pad in
(23:17):
which you'll see later like picking up a sand bag. Yes,
we want you to have a pretty a flat back
and as much as you can, but at some point
you're gonna get out of a flat back. You're gonna
twist a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, when you're out in the mountains, you're not always
moving in a perfect form, perfect ranges.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Of motion, no but ground. But if you have good
range of motion in your hips, in your knees, those
types of things you're getting up and over some blowdown
or you know, getting those are the main the main
things you're getting over falling. Yeah, you've got to be
able to like I know that very well. The stronger
you are if you do fall, the less likely to
(23:52):
have an injury like upper body guys get you know,
well why do so much upper body? The stronger you
are upper body, the more like protect did you're going
to be in a fall. The year that I you know,
remember I had that shoulder injury. I fell more time
than I could remember because I couldn't put my arm
out and so I would just eat the fall right
or just I couldn't balance.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Like Scott with the camera.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I fall ten times a day when maybe fifteen.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, there's several.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, but I always save the camera.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
I always save the camera. Yeah, I always say the
But I did that that one year when my shoulder
was really bad. I fell Like that was an odd
odd amount of falls that year because one I couldn't
you know, do the quick motion to like balance or
I wouldn't put my hand out. I would just eat
the fall. And so yeah, to that topic too.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think one of the things you guys talked about
on that podcast that is beneficial to a lot of
people that maybe more so that people that have been
doing fitness for a little longer just to keep it fresh,
but also they'll have to do this to make more
like progress is the periodization over the course of the year.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
So like let's say let's say your goal is in September,
you're gonna hit your archery outcont or October or rifile
cont whatever it is, and you've peaked out your conditioning
for that hunt. Well after that hunt is over, now
you can move into more of the off season strain
the strength back up that you may have lost a
little bit of it in the conditioning phase getting ready
(25:14):
for You're always gonna do all of the things, but
you're emphasizing different parts and I think that was a
like interesting thing you guys touched on.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, and I also think you know, leading up to that, Yeah,
you need to have that volume, you need to have
the time on your feet post that you can get
a ton of benefit by increasing the intensity and doing
a little less volume. Let the body kind of heal
up from that phase of doing a ton of miles
and a ton of stepping and a ton of sled pushing. Granted,
(25:45):
you know those things don't necessarily beat you up as
much as if you were pure running every day running
with a ruck, but you know that volume over time
will take a toll on you. So let's build it back,
get back to you know, full range of motion on stuff.
Build some strength because like you said, you've lost You've
probably lost some strength. Yea, I'm doing it right now
(26:05):
and losing weight. Yeah I'm doing Yeah you lost weight. Yeah,
I'm literally doing that right now. So my aerobic conditioning
was so good during hunting season, but I think I
definitely lost strength. So now I'm still doing workouts so
I don't get completely deconditioned. And of course, in like
six weeks we're rowing for a full day, but at
the same time really emphasizing for.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
The next maybe twelve weeks. Uh strength work strength, h yeah,
but we'll Yeah, both got to build the base of
the pyramid so we can go taller. You know, it's right,
Build back better, build back better. That'll be That'll be
me next you twice.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You work out at all last week at some hunting camp.
So did you take anything with you or did you
go to stuff there? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
We have a full full gym and the born.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Nelson's drive there every day. I just feel better, like
the times that we went to like Ritz's place and
we sat a lot.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
I will say the Christmas tree cakes and stuff though
it was full of.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Fact any Gapins said you could do that.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Hey, this is the best time, dude, when those Christmas
tree cakes come out. Oh, put them in the freezer.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
They're so good.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Andy Gapin's going to sue Bird for defamation. Defamation because
he's going to give him a bad name.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'm saying this one.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
There wasn't like any offset.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
So dude, you'd loved Elk camp this last time. There
was a lot of snacks billings, was there?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah? We Well, also Rich did he did, like the
like the pre order so that you can just show
up and all your stuff's there. And I feel like
there was a balance. But I feel like you kept
it a little like healthier.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I tried to make it a little healthier.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, he sent even though you put it at I put.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It in rifle, and somehow Walmart still reverted back to Cookville.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah, so all our groceries were in cooked. So we shopped,
and I think it was it went a very different
direction shopping in person because by the time we got there,
like you're tired, hungry, everything sounds good.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I just want to get it over with.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
We did hit it in and out on the way
out and the way back, that little celebratory out in
and out.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, we hit in and out, in and out. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Billings is first run in within and out as well.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah it was yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, So yeah, I feel better, you know, like even
if I'm gonna I'll probably go out and sit here
this afternoon just for a little bit. Hunt why he
says it's not a good day, which means usually is
a good day. Any daylight Bucks I've ever had is
like ten percent movement day.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We were shooting a podcast on Tuesday, and while we
were podcasting, you had.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
A buck one another one come through an hour later.
Granted the second one wasn't a shoot of the first one.
I would have shot at least an eight and maybe
a nine.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
So it's tough stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Tough crowd.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Angela's and Illinois right now and seeing one her buck
and it was he didn't have a shot at the buck.
And I think today's his last day.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh, today's last day.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah. Well back oh ever to hear, yeah, he's got
to get back for this weekend to dang. Yeah, So
that's tough for him if he doesn't kill anything he needs.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
That though he might he's been on some really good hunts. Yeah,
he's never been like on the hunts that we've been on.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He's been on one of them really okay.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
But we didn't know what we were doing. Yeah. Now
I feel like we need some redemption at.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
That place maybe in a long time.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I need such a good spot in Colorad.
I don't know that we know it, and I think
it's great.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeah, anything else bird, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
So. Do you know, are you gonna shoot something this fall?
Is it your turn? Now? Like with Micah do you
get to.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
I mean, honestly, I Pattie really wants to.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Shoot a buck. Oh yeah, he said, She's like.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
She's so she wants first.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I want shoot a dough.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So our first year is going to be a man.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You're you're last in line.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, that's what happens when your dad's.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Got well, I don't get the hunt and my kid's
six months old, so I'm really screwed.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You can hunt here anytime, yep, I can.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I can sit here anytime.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
You can sit here anytime.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I can look at Yeah, I I've seen at least
the year every time minus yesterday or two days ago,
depending on how the next two weeks go for me,
I might be here trying to kill a doe and Trice.
I've gone through all my sixth year. I killed last year,
all of our meats about gone.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Trice is pretty good luck. Actually, surprisingly, I don't know
how I've killed multiple times with Trice.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
This is Rich trying to say like, hey, you should
have Trice it with you. He's good luck.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
No, but I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and don't
don't have Trice it with you. I only uh killed.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
The funniest thing is the only time I've hunted with Trice.
He screwed up the hunt, but he didn't actually do
it on purpose.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
He did so we were didn't even notice him. Well,
he deer's coming in, but the deer didn't alert, didn't
do anything. He say he was when the wind shifted.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I think the sneeze made him alert to sneeze.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
He that thing came, it was still coming in when
he sneezed.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Anyway, I missed that deer.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I wasn't gonna bring it up. It's fun shot just
under it happens. Yeah, all right, what else we got
we got?
Speaker 2 (31:32):
I think that's it.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Hopefully, me and you'll be going in December in a
couple of weeks and then maybe Illinois random trip depending
on the weather.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Are we going to be into uh in December with Nate? Yes,
we should try to record a podcast there, but actually
this time a little eas around a white tail hot.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah. We ran out of time that hole, Yeah, we
did not. We wouldn't get back till nine. Some people
wouldn't get back till ten.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
I also was likely.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, and then Bill would get up at four thirty
every morning when we weren't getting up till five. We
didn't have to leave the house till six fifteen, six thirty.
And it's a wide open like cabin, and we were
upstairs in the loft and Bill would flip the light
on at four thirty and the whole cabin would just
have light in it and he'd just shuffle around. Yeah,
because he was on Michigan time, in his defense, Eastern time,
(32:21):
So it was five thirty for him. No, it was
six thirty because we're, oh, yeah, you're right, because we
had two hours. Yeah, So but he didn't care. No,
he didn't get too all right, Spike Camp, this is
like episode sixteen or something. All right, Peace,
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