December 25, 2025 • 35 mins
On this episode of In Pursuit, Rich Froning sits down with the crew to talk off-season training for hunters—why now is the time to build strength, maintain conditioning, and let fat loss happen as a byproduct of consistent work. They also preview the upcoming Conquer 90 Challenge with Mountain Ops, break down the different training tracks (including the new Everyday Hunter hybrid program), and discuss the importance of goals, accountability, and community in preparing for the hunts that matter most.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's kind of the beauty the program.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Though, if you're doing the program, you're gonna the residual
effect of following one of these tracks will be to
lose some weight. And the idea that hey, if I
get stronger put on a little bit more muscle, that
it will burn up more fat and you will have
the strength. There's you know, I think obviously we can
get into the weeds and super like analytical on what
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we're trying to do with like get you strong.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
But for most of these programs.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
The byproduct is for a lot of guys is if
you are overweight, you're going to lose some weight, and
if you're underweight and need to get stronger, you're gonna
get stronger. So there's almost like a dual purpose out
out here. The stakes are real effective preparation starts with fitness,
but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience,
(00:52):
and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most.
Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right in pursuit.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Angelo's back, Scott's still here, How's Charlie sick?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
A lot of sickness going around in these ranks him.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I think that I think that my sickness that we
talked about on this podcast from our rifle hunt in Colorado,
I think that has prevented me from getting any of this.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
But you think it went the other way around the planet.
Came to hear like you did we go to London?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
After that?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You did? You went to Scotland.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So maybe I carried it to Scotland and then it
went all the way around the world the opposite way,
and then now it made its way back.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I don't know what happened, but I think I was
patient zero because if anything, I just keeps feeling better
better than me.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Has he taken a test like what is a see?
I have flu?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Bee and your kids have flube. I think flub and
strap I think, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, yeah, I probably.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Just messed up. Yeah, I think I have. I think
I think I had the flu for a day or two,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
And Bird is down with the flu. We barely could
get this podcast recorded because everyone's been sick.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I just I just am like I don't even
think I'm gonna go to that meeting later because I
just don't think I need to be in a room
with like fifty a small room with fifteen people, Like
I don't think that's just my idea, So like I'm
just gonna, like I'll call in.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I had one. I have one thing that makes
me think I have strep throat. It's like this little
tiny like scratch that it feels like a razor blade
on the back of my right side of my throat.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I I took some niquil one night and went to sleep,
and the night quill knocked me out, which was good
but bad because when I did wake up, my fever
was coming back. When the medicine started to wear off,
my fever was coming back. And I woke up and
my throat are so bad because my nose was stuffed up.
But I was exhausted from taking the Nike will didn't matter,
(03:03):
so I was just mouth breathing, dude, like I had.
I had just swallowed a cactus cacti. Yeah, multiple like
I had swallowed cacti. And then that whole night after
that point, I woke up and I had a fever
for like NonStop, thirty six hours, one oh one, one
oh two. No matter how much medicine I took, it
was nuts.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, now that we let me talk about fitness, now
that we've explained why you guys sound so terrible, before
we get too far in, I want to talk about
the Concord ninety challenge we have coming up with mountaink Ops.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Oh yeah, So concre ninety is the challenge. We did
it last year with them, in conjunction with them, so
we're like their programming sponsor for it. I'm not talking
to you, guys, I'm just looking at you guys because
you're here. I'm talking to people that are watching this podcast.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
People give people.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
So what Conger ninety is is, it's a challenge ninety
day challenge. We're gonna start on January twelfth, run through
April eleventh. The rules recommend recommendations for the daily activities
sixty minutes of physical activity using Mayhem hunt hopefully, and
then it will be free that whole time, yeah, which
(04:11):
is free free. It'll be free on playbook. We'll have
a we'll have a code, and we'll have a little
challenge area to go through there, and it'll have programs
which I'll get into here in a second, that you
can choose from twenty minutes of reading a gallon of
water following a healthy measurable diet, and then fifteen minutes
of journaling. For that fifteen minutes of journaling, what I
(04:35):
will be doing and what I recommend is, you know, personally,
I'll like, I'll read my Bible, I'll write down kind
of what those things, what I'm reading, how it applies
my life, how I can apply it to my life.
But you can do whatever you want. So three things
you're grateful for, Three areas of intentional improvement something like that,
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and for those. The thing I'm really excited about, which
was a lot of work but I kind of did
to myself because I was really excited about it, was
the different programs are going to do for it. So
if you're on the programming you're used to seeing our
boot and Crocket, Pope and Young in our garage, or
minimal version of the Crosst programming. I'm dying, So we
(05:21):
have three options. The Bouten Crocket obviously is gonna be
the most advanced. The Pope and Young option is going
to be more intermediate CrossFit, and then the garage minimal
will either be something if you're traveling, it will be
a good work out of your traveling or maybe if
you are just getting into fitness and you only have
a few items at your home gym you can't get
to a gym that day, that option is in there too,
(05:42):
So we have those for ninety days that you can follow.
We have a bodybuilding track if you're more interested in
just a normal bodybuilding track, you're you know, you're This
program starts Monday is gonna be chest and tries, and
then Tuesday is like a lower body squat focus, so
normal bodybuilding program which you could follow that for ninety days.
(06:03):
We have just cardio workouts if you wanted to follow those,
running echo bike or air bike or row. And then
some rucking I believe is in here too. Or the
one that I was actually really excited about, which I
spent the most time writing is the Everyday Hunter, which
is our version of a hybrid.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Every day hunter.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Nice you like that, Yeah, our version of a hybrid.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Athlete every day hunter. Nice?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Oh man, what do you think about that? Actually?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That had that was not my.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Mouth what does that program look like? Like, why are
you so excited about it?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, so Locker, of course when I showed him this,
he was so excited for this too. It's just like
it's a little bit different from so the one thing
we got from people from Conquer ninety last year was
that everyone liked the programming, but not everyone is super Yeah,
doesn't have as much experience with normal CrossFit stuff like
we're used to programming. So to give more op for
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the people who are following it, we did more of
this everyday hunter stuff. So like, for example, the kind
of test will be doing in this will be a
on the first day of the programming, there's a one
mile run test, and then after that there's some pressing.
So there's two sessions to each day. There's a one
mile run test, then there's gonna be a wonder at
max bench on day one, and then if we go
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all the way to the last day of the first week,
is going to be like a high Rocks style test.
There's gonna be some running and some movements in between
that running that looks like a high Rocks but more
Hunt Hunt version. Yeah, wearing a vest, so it's gonna
be running and weightlifting kind of if you know, like
what hybrid athlete whatever that body running and bodybuilding. Yeah,
(07:44):
some high intense bodybuilding. So yeah, I mean I'm really
excited about this. Like there's like there is cross style
workouts in here. There's a lot of running of course,
and there's like, yeah, like I said, there's like a
high rocks style workout that we're going to be using
as like kind of our litmus test for to start
and end to see how we progressed and then seeing
(08:06):
a strength progression through here as well. So that one
I'm really excited about. Really excited to see how people
see which ones people like to use, Like we'll be
watching the numbers on which ones people like to use,
and then we'll kind of double down on that. Like
whatever people want to see is what we'll give them
more of, is my goal. So there's your really long
form version of what conquered ideas well.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I think this is a good time to talk about.
This time of year, pretty much everyone is done with
their hunts unless.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You're physically physical active.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yes anything, unless you have some crazy weird late season,
you're pretty much done. So I think a lot of
people now have moved into like what you'd call off season,
which I think most people this time you're probably like,
I'm not going to do anything, and they'll really get
gung ho in like May or June further or maybe
even July. But I think this is the best time
(08:59):
to set are building a foundation. Yeah, So I just
wanted to talk today about off season training and what
that should look like for people that have an unknown task,
which is a hunt, yeah, coming up in the fall,
maybe spring bear or something like that.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah. I think, I mean, I think you probably you
guys probably agree. Uh. If you have been hunting hard
through especially September and October, and then even if you're
if you've been hunting whitetail a lot, you've probably been
neglecting your health. You've been sitting too.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
You've definitely been neglecting your health.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You've been sitting. You've been sitting all morning, going in,
eating something that's probably not that good for you, and
going back out and hunting the afternoon, uh, or a day,
or sitting all day not even going in. I watched
his video, this guy saying that he would like bring
extra straps out to his saddle. He would hammer himself
in the saddle and would sleep in his saddle and
just wake up and start hunting again overnight. Overnight. Overnight
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he would sleep and you would just hammer himself out
and then wake back up and just like sit up
back in his saddle like hotly.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It's impressive.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Did he kill anything?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I don't know. I didn't I didn't watch the whole
podcast was just a short hope I would hope he
killed something. He said he was there. I think he
said he sat in one spot for four days. I
don't know if he I don't know if he like
I don't know if he literally sat in the tree
for four days, but he did, like do all days sits.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I'd be worried about getting a blood clot or something.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh, I know, yeah, you'd have to like get down
just like do a couple of laps on this on
the sticks, just to get your legs moving. I think
you guys tell me you probably agree, But I think
this is the time to like start to build your
strength back, like where you've stepped. I need to start
building my strength back. I'm I'm eight pounds down from
being sick. But yeah, building your strength back if you
(10:40):
spend a lot of time in the woods, hiking, not
eating enough, you know, just and just like hunting hard.
Uh you focused. We spent a lot of time leading
into the fall focusing on like longer pieces, more kind
of lower intensity. Still some high intensity, but lower intensity
(11:00):
long you know, Zone two work and stuff like that,
so where we can get out into the woods and
hunt and hike long time for a long time. So
start to build that strength back, which we have some
strength programs that we're following on sugar Water moving over
to Playbook and it will be on there as well,
so we'll have a strength we have to one strength
progression in there and we're adding another one. And then
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the other thing is like getting some of that fast
twitch back, so faster running cycles, higher intensity workouts. We
don't have to worry about the longer durations right now,
we can start to focus on some of that higher
intensity and then as we get closer to the season,
obviously build that volume back up. So I would say
strength building and then higher intensity would take precedence for
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the next few months or so.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Those are two things I would say.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I would say strength for sure, don't completely neglect fitness
by not doing any type of metcon meta ball conditioning,
for anybody who's either new or just not familiar with
with I guess our terms, and so.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I think a lot of people will go, oh, I'll.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Just get strong, and then they'll completely neglect and what
I think you've done a good job with or over
the years that we've all done a good job of,
is like, yeah, while we're doing strength work, we're still
going to do high intensity intervals like complete rest during
those intervals, but we need to be able to like
almost use those met cons a better ballic conditioning sessions,
CrossFit what a lot of people would look at and
(12:30):
see and say as accessory pieces to the strength. Yeah,
there's a good way to do that, And I think
that's kind of what you've done with that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But yeah, now is the time to lean into.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Those things and do those things and build that foundation
and that kind of the framework for the rest of
the season.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah. Yeah, so like kind of what he's talking about.
So like, if I'm going to do if Monday is
my heavy backs squad day, then maybe after I do
my heavy backsquads, I'm probably gonna do some running in
wallball workout afterwards.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
There's some bike bike high intensity hard leg pumpy and.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I That's the way I I like to train too,
is because if I'm gonna squat heavy, I'm already gonna
my legs is gonna be sore tomorrow. I'm not gonna
want to do like lunging in box jumps and whatever tomorrow,
So why not just like hammer it, hammer it, finish
it up, and then the next day I can do
like my bench press day, and then I can do.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Some upper body.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, I can do some body work, so I use that.
I would use the strength that I'm gonna do. So
i'm gonna squat, I'll do a lower body workout with that.
If I'm gonna bench I'll do an upper body pushing
work out with that. If I'm gonna you know, we
have some weighted pull up progression here or actually this
is in this one. There's a we're working towards a
max set of stric pull ups. So that's what we're
(13:43):
gonna focus on. Is if I can do fifteen and
then by the end of we'll build up and by
the hopefully by the end of the thirteen week program here,
then I can do you know, maybe twenty or twenty
five unbroken stric pulls like that would be the goal.
So and with that stric pull up day, there's a
pulling workout afterwards. So kind of tailoring the days to
(14:03):
where I can get the most out of each day
and not let a linger into the next day where
it's gonna affect those workouts for that. Are you know
I'm gonna be one to do the next day?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Do you think?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
So?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I'll just use this scenario because we just did part
of it. We obviously work out all the time, so
that doesn't apply to us. But let's say I'm a
guy that just applied for Idaho, right, and I find
out next month I drew the tag I've never been
out or that guy? Right? Uh? Well, but yeah, let's
say I've never been out West, I haven't been working out,
(14:35):
but I got this tag for ELK mule Deer whatever
what happened?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like fall six of us get on this tag.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Then you go do it, don't. I think that's the
whole point, right.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That we need to talk about that too. Go ahead,
but get into that.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
But so so and I let's say I need to
lose I need I know, I need to lose some weight.
I'm like thirty pounds overweight. Yeah, do you think that
in that situation, should I still focus on strength and
explosive stuff or should I start with I should still
do those things, but maybe focus on maybe some longer
stuff and at least get down to like a fighting weight. Yeah,
(15:07):
for when I really ramp up training in the fund, that's.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
A good I mean, that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Because I think that's a scenario a lot of people
find themselves true, especially if their first time.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You're not really needing to Yeah, for most people, it's like, Okay,
I want to try to lose twenty pounds before I
go out there, Like I would feel better hiking around
the pack if I dream bounds lighter.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
That's kind of the beauty the program.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Though, if you're doing the program, you're gonna the residual
effect of following one of these tracks will be to
lose some weight. And the idea that hey, if I
get stronger and put on a little bit more muscle,
that it will burn up more fat and you will
have the strength. There's you know, I think obviously we
can get into the weeds and super like analytical on
(15:45):
what we're trying to do with like get you strong.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
But for most of these.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Programs, the byproduct is for a lot of guys is
if you are overweight, you're gonna lose some weight. And
if you're underweight and need to get stronger, you're gonna
get stronger. So there's almost like a it's a dual purpose.
Assuming your diet assuming yeah, assuming your diets have decent,
assuming your recovery is good. We just talked about yesterdays
and to sleep. There's all these other different things.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I just I think there's just so much benefit to
you know, everybody's like, oh, you know, I don't do CrossFit,
all right, I hate bodybuilding or I hate powerlifting or
I hate whatever. Just do something, do something and have
a goal, have something to train for. And you've heard
it probably broken record on this podcast, but having that
target or something to aim at September is that's the
(16:31):
first step. Is like all right, hey, I have this
target I want to get to, and then maybe within
that target, have a goal of like I want to
be able to run, you know, have a physical goal
of like yeah, maybe I do need to lose twenty
pounds fifteen pounds, but also I need like an actual
physical goal, like I want to get my mile under
eight minutes or whatever it is, and.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So using those yeah, using those basically there's like stepping
stones to get you to the goal that you want
to go to. So like that's and that's kind of
the idea of the whole conquer ninety thing in general,
is that there's other people doing it. There's like if
there's a Facebook group where you can talk to those
other people who are also doing it challenges. Yeah, I
(17:12):
mean we talk about it all the time about having
a team around you. When you get somebody else who's
training for the same thing, or maybe not even the
same thing, but kind of has the same same end
goal in mind of like like let's just say me
and Scott are going to Idaho and we and we're
probably gonna be hunt Mualdier together. And if we're in
a position where we're like, hey, we both need to
lose some weight, then we have that that goal and
we have an accountability partner. We're going to be like, hey,
(17:35):
if you're hunting with me, I don't want to be
waiting on you. And he's thinking, hey, I don't be
waiting on you. So we're gonna yeah, so we don't
want to let each other down. And that's the that's
kind of the idea of the Conquer ninety with the
community aspect. We have other people who are doing it
with you, so you're pushing to go, you know, to
get to those goals. And it's not just like this
this this made up goal kind of that like that
(17:58):
you see and you can't really you know, you can't
really talk about or touch or whatever, like like it's like, no,
we are hunting mule deer in October. What do we
need to do to get there and to be in
shape to actually give ourselves a good chance. And then
like within that goal, maybe I have a goal of Okay,
I want to squad through fifteen and then maybe I
(18:19):
want to run an eight minute mile, Like those are
those small goals that build me. And then all of
a sudden I get out there and I go, wow,
I'm in a lot better shape than I was. Yeah,
when I set the goal to get here. So that's
kind of that's kind of the idea. And this is
supposed to be like a stepping stone for the rest
of the year. So use this Conquer ninety if you're
going to sign up for it, use the Conquer ninety
to then build off of that.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, it's almost like setting quarterly goals like Okay, by March,
end of March, I want to build to do this.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and then middle of the summer, I
want to be able to do this, and then by
the season is almost your third one. Yeah, that's a
good point. Like all most of these most states, you're
putting in some some form of like a group application. Yeah,
there's some ability to do that, so fine. Yeah, making
(19:02):
group chating exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to
form like community and force each other to work out.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I mean, that's pretty much how the Mayhem hunt group
chat started were like we uh we hunted together. Yeah,
like I mean was it there was It was a
year before I went to Gunnison, like you guys went
once and then like yeah yeah, and it just like
that's kind of how it all started, where it was
just like a group chat. We sent workouts back and
forth of like hey I did this like getting ready,
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and that's literally how we started. I think that's how
I think that's a good starting point for every anybody.
You have buddies that are you're hunting buddies, you're sending
workouts back and forth with and that you're accountable to
each other when you get out there. You don't want
to be the weakest link. Yeah, so me and Scott
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are definitely probably were the most likely. Oh, Sam put
in for meal deer two on our on our group.
He has his own group, but like he most likely
will get it. He just put it in for it
because I was like, hey, if you don't, he can
only do one. So if he doesn't, like, hey, if
you don't get the if we don't get the elk tag,
then you can put in for meal deer and you
almost definitely will get.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Will he hunt elk if he gets in for that, he.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Will hunt elk and not meal deer. If he doesn't
get the elk tag, he'll hunt meal deer. That makes sense,
Like is like his backup. So we all put in
for Idaho for elk.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I say, don't tell the unit people get real snow.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Nate will freak out. Put it for Idoh for elk
and mule deer, Me and Scott for meal deer. Rich
and his his best buddy put in for elk.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Sam, I got put in with my best buddy.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And which one? Yeah, I know we yes, so we
have I don't know what we'll do if we all draw,
because there's a chance that there's a lot of there's
a lot of chances here that we all get drawn
in the same unit.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Will be six six bulltags.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah no, because I'm not on it, okay, five?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Oh yeah, no, you you just would you would just
be filming. Yeah, one, two, three, four, four.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Oh okay, yeah, I'm not on the elk one.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Unlikely, but very unlikely, very very unlikely. But that's if
we all go in the same unit. There's a chance
that we all draw and go to different units. There's
a chance that one group draws, like if you and
Jason draw and then me or Sam, Me and Sam draw.
So there's that chance, and there's a chance that none
(21:26):
of us draw, which would suck. But then the most
likely thing is that me and Scott will almost definitely
get a mule deer rifle tag in October. That one,
that one from what Nate said, That one's like a
guarantee that you will get drawn for It's just like
how good of a unit it is, and you will
(21:47):
probably kill a mule deer. Just how good of a
deer you will kill, So that'll be exciting no matter
what we.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
All know how selective Angela and I are.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, does that mean your urban hunt is off?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, will still be honest.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Sorry, sorry ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Those properties need to be managed to be managed. So yeah,
that's I'm pretty excited for that. I'm excited to uh
go west of the Mississippi. Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Angela is going to be like Lewis and Clark out there.
I discovering things for the first time Colorado, I know,
but I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We actually had no idea what we were doing in
cold and he never hunted with us once.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, the good news is we won't have any idea
what we're doing that before.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Did you venture from camp that year?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
We I did what I went. Well, the problem is,
here's the problem. I don't think I need this anymore.
Here's the problem is I did go. The first few days.
I hunted really hard and really dumb. Okay, I was
with Luke and Dudds Me, Luke and Dudds went really
hard in the middle of nowhere. And this is and
(22:53):
this is going to be even better when Duds is here,
is that we were walking through this bottom where like
there's a bed and uh, we had hiked I mean
we were at the probably the highest point of Colorado
and we hiked down to sea level, I mean not possible.
We hiked down to I mean what it was seemed
(23:13):
like ten miles.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And oh, is this where you guys found that dead head?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, this is around where we found the deadhead, but
we were just hiking U and Duds turns to me
and Luke and he goes, guys, how cool is it
to think that we might be the only too, we
might be the only three people who have ever walked
on this area. And we go not one hundred yards
there's a smoldering campfire, and turns to Duds and he goes, hey, Dud,
(23:42):
it's really cool that we're the only people that've ever
walked here. It was. It couldn't have been better. I mean,
you walk one hundred yards, there's a campfire that it's
been there. I mean it wasn't smoldering, but it wasn't
a week old. It wasn't even a week old.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
The best would have been if you kept walking and
there was a couple of guys like.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, there were no elk there, so you could
cut anything up.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
So yeah, uh no, that was the problem. Is that
we I just did so much dumb stuff. I got
so burnt out those first few days, just hiking and
seeing absolutely nothing. If I would have seen anything, I
would have been like I know how I am. I
would have been bit by it bad. But I saw
the I saw the ass end of one cow elk
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from no less than two miles away, two miles no less.
I mean I could barely see in my binoculars, barely.
Me and TJ just hiked that one day at one time,
and we just could barely see another goal, there's elk here.
And of course we hiked over there the next day.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Saw nothing because they wouldn't they would, they'd be in
that exact same spot.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, they would. I mean, yeah exactly. Uh so? And
I yeah, I mean I I I have no idea
what I'm doing, So I have a lot of I
have a lot of uh research to do about elk hunting.
I mean, I understand hunting in general a little bit
more or now so that that does help. It doesn't Yeah, no, no, no,
it's not gonna help my chances. But it at least
(25:07):
helped me from hiking completely aimlessly.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, it's almost just as just as much as if
you weren't in shape and didn't know how to hunt,
it might it might be worse for your chances to
kill elk or you're if you're in shape and don't
not hunt, Because if you're not in shape and don't
know how to hunt, you're probably gonna get to a
good spot and you're getting glass and if you sit
(25:29):
there long enough, you will most likely see something and
then try to figure out how to make a play. Yeah,
but if you're just walking walking, you have no clue
what you're doing, probably just pushing stuff all over the
mount YEA true, So it is an interesting concept. But
if you can have a mild idea of what you're
doing and be in shape, then that you're good. You're
(25:50):
you're off to a better start than most people.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, like I I mean, I guess this is just.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Hard to because they'd never talked whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, it was we ever heard.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
A real bugle but maybe one time.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, that's true, And I don't know, you especially when
that time of year, like you have to have some
like some semblance of where they're at.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, I even remember if we heard a bugles there,
if it was a different year in a different place.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, it was tough, tough.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
It was tough. It was so tough. But yeah, towards
the end of the week, I did not Like I
remember when it was like the second to last day,
you guys were getting up to go out and me
and TJ were still in bed, and you go, are
you guys coming out and go? Maybe? Like I think
we got up at like seven or eight, and like
I think we worked out and then we just like
there's like the bench, we worked out a little bit.
(26:47):
I guess we'll go hike around a little bit. That
might have been the day.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I this is a this is a fun time of
year though, because there's so much anticipation of like what
hunts everyone's gonna get, yeah, and where we're gonna end
up going, and what the season is going to look like.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
So like Riskey being engaged, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Right now is exciting and then you know soon there
might be a lot of disappointment.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah for sure, nothing whaling and gnashing of teeth.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, there is excitement right now because usually I
was telling him earlier that like towards like when January comes,
we're not there yet, but that's when like, especially with
whitetail when I'm so exhausted from hunting because I feel
like I have to go out every day, or at
least every opportunity I get if I haven't killed something.
(27:33):
I have to go out almost every single day because
I'm like, well, if I'm not out there, that I
can't kill something, so I better go out so I
can try. And I'm I get so burnt out I
don't even want to look at my camo by like
by the middle of January, because I'm just so frustrated
from hunting every single day. I'm exhausted. I haven't slept
in months. I'm like, I don't I don't even want
(27:54):
to hunt, and then it like summer comes around and
it's like, okay, here we go. I start to shooting
my bos more. I'm like, yeah, well yeah, but like
when I'm thinking of deer, I'm like, all right, you know,
I could, this might be the year, you know, and
then it's just like the switch flips. I'm like, oh, yeah,
I could. I think I think it's gonna be a
good spot, Like I like that spot. I'll put a
true stand there, and then it's just like this vicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Angela.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
It's so it's just so much funder in the fall.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And then I told me, I still want to I
did a better job this year of tape tempering.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I didn't hunt much in October.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I didn't hunt it all until you.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Destroyed yourself in white til season last year. Last year,
no reward, no rules. Well between hunting and Illinois and
not killing anything man, and then here you hunted really hard.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, I've.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
There's been a couple several times that I've wanted to
go out and just with family and kids stuff. Kids
being at different schools makes it really tough to get
out in the morning or evening. So so I'm like,
I still want to go out, and we've got a
couple more weeks here.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That you can still go out.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So I'm I'm looking forward to like next week when
the kids are out of school.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You went out a couple of.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Mornings this uh, this year, you did this same thing.
I didn't hunt at all until like the first cold front,
like late October was the first time I sat. And
the amount of deer I've seen is so much better.
I don't go in there early season and blow them out.
I wait until it's good weather.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I'm not so but I'm also not good enough of
a hunter and to understand October, like you know, I
know people were like, you know, the what do they
call it the wall Octoberlall it's not true or whatever,
but like you know, they find these acorn trees and stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I just I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
There's definitely people that can consistently kill deer, yeah at
that time of year.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, I just I'm not there yet, like judging the wind,
the weather, all that type of stuff trying. But what
I will say, yeah, this year was way better. And honestly,
the Texas hunt helps a lot with the white tail,
you know, like wanting to do that. So I think
next week we'll go to Illinois hoping what did you say,
you could.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Go two weeks two weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
After next week from when this comes out. I guess
when did you say your FAMI don't know because we
were looking. We looked at some days here and.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
There's probably probably early at the middle of the week.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I can go, Okay, I think that was.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It was like the twenty eighth looks like the weather
breaks for like three days there. And when I say breaks,
it goes from like mid sixties to low fifties.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Which should should help. I I'm going to try to
my brother said, he is interested in trying to shoot
his first year, so I'm going to take him out.
I set up a blind and uh so, I guess
so we can sit together. I'm not sitting in a
buddy stand with his big ass. So I'm gonna try
(30:38):
to get him to shoot his shoot a deer. So
that'll be exciting, he said. I mean, he said he's
all for it, and he was like he's you know,
he lives in Florida, So he's like, uh, what what
kind of like you got you got stuff for me
to wear? Like yeah, probably? I go, you you got
any long underwear something? He goes, I don't have long
aron I live in Orlando. Like okay. Uh he goes like,
(30:59):
what's the tempt there? And I didn't know that it
was gonna be so warm over Christmas break when he's here,
but uh, he's like like that was And when I
told him, I was like, I was like, you know,
mid thirties. He goes, that'd be fine. I'll just like
wear sweatpants and like a hoodie.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
No you won't.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Oh my dude, We're gonna be there for three hours.
You're gonna die.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
It's just sitting not moving.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, dude, you're gonna die. You're an idiot. He just
has no idea. So I'll let him freeze. I'll try
to put it. I'll try to get a jacket on
him and maybe some bibs. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I run really hot, and when we went to Texas,
I didn't. So I went from Georgia to Michigan to Texas. Yeah,
and so I was just kind of maneuvering my white
tail toe to where it had like yeah, super it
was eighty in Georgia, but then it was sub thirty
two in Michigan. It was like ten a couple of
days when I hunt this, and then I looked at
(31:49):
the Texas forecast and I the highs were like mid
fifties or sixty whatever. I didn't really pay attention to
the lows for some reason. So the first night and
maybe this first or second morning, I didn't bring bibs
is what I what I'm getting hold And so I
had like three weight pants on, but I didn't bring
like long John's or anything. And it was like thirty
degrees and windy, and I had maybe like the a
(32:13):
mid layer at best sweatshirt. I was not warm because
I didn't pay attention at all, just like all the highs, like, yeah,
there's a there's cactus all over the place. It's a dude,
it's Texas.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It was ultiple times it was really cold.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Crap. Yeah, and then I got home and I hunted
here and used that, Uh, what's the heaviest weight bibs?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
The thermic dude?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That was great?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, oh yeah, I've got the one, the one below
below that.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I used that. I'll set out, Holy crap.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I'll set out in Michigan and the court is that
it's called the core, and it'll be ten degrees. I'm
in a tree stand. I'm fine. Yeah, I run hot,
but in Texas with no bibs, I was freezing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I have.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
That's pretty much what i's. That is pretty much exactly
what I wear. I just like, I layer up or
layer down the core and that's usual good enough for me.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, yeah, so sweatpants. He's going to be hurting.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Oh, he's gonna be hurting.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
It helps me.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Then blind, It does help, I mean, but ground blind.
It's not a box blind.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
There's some extra first light here stuff here, give him
try something, guess anything. I think so. I think the
next one will do a.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
We'll do a couple, we'll do a series of we
need to do series on gym builds.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Because it is the off season, it's a good time
to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
For anyone, for anyone who is going to ask about
the concher Nindy, I don't think we have a link.
But when's this podcast coming out next week? I don't
think there's a link for it to sign up yet.
I think sign up starting on the first.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
So one week when this comes out about.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
The will post that whenever we can.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good way if
if you're just get it, deciding you want to get
in shape, or even if you want to keep doing it. Yeah,
it's a good way to get I think the most
important thing to sticking with fitness is community aspect of it.
It's a good way to do do these tracks alongside
some other people.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, get somebody that is in your same whether you
go to a gym or not. Get somebody in your
same town.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
And it's someone you've applied for tag with.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah. Yeah, and and just start and start here with
the Conquer ninety and then it's it's so much easier
when you have somebody else who's like, hey, dude, you
want to work out, then you you want to go?
And like I was, I was actually talking to my
dad about this the other day. He said, it's just
like he said when he's I mean, this is just
human nature. He's like when I was when we moved here,
he had you just had like someone that he worked
(34:31):
out with at the gym, and he's like, my buddy
text me, like I just would go, Like even if
I didn't want to go, I just would go anyways
because he asked me, and he's gonna be there, so
I'm gonna show up. It's just like, it's just human nature.
You're gonna show up, somebody else is counting on you.
You're most likely just gonna go anyways.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
But that's how I ended up doing a twenty four
hour row for now the third year in a row.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, exactly, because Rich just.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
At this point just assumes I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Do it preparrell of a drug exactly. All right, sweet,
right next week. Peace
That's kind of the beauty the program.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Though, if you're doing the program, you're gonna the residual
effect of following one of these tracks will be to
lose some weight. And the idea that hey, if I
get stronger put on a little bit more muscle, that
it will burn up more fat and you will have
the strength. There's you know, I think obviously we can
get into the weeds and super like analytical on what
(00:22):
we're trying to do with like get you strong.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
But for most of these programs.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
The byproduct is for a lot of guys is if
you are overweight, you're going to lose some weight, and
if you're underweight and need to get stronger, you're gonna
get stronger. So there's almost like a dual purpose out
out here. The stakes are real effective preparation starts with fitness,
but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience,
(00:52):
and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most.
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right in pursuit.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Angelo's back, Scott's still here, How's Charlie sick?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
A lot of sickness going around in these ranks him.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I think that I think that my sickness that we
talked about on this podcast from our rifle hunt in Colorado,
I think that has prevented me from getting any of this.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
But you think it went the other way around the planet.
Came to hear like you did we go to London?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
After that?
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You did? You went to Scotland.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
So maybe I carried it to Scotland and then it
went all the way around the world the opposite way,
and then now it made its way back.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I don't know what happened, but I think I was
patient zero because if anything, I just keeps feeling better
better than me.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Has he taken a test like what is a see?
I have flu?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Bee and your kids have flube. I think flub and
strap I think, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, yeah, I probably.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Just messed up. Yeah, I think I have. I think
I think I had the flu for a day or two,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
And Bird is down with the flu. We barely could
get this podcast recorded because everyone's been sick.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yeah, I just I just am like I don't even
think I'm gonna go to that meeting later because I
just don't think I need to be in a room
with like fifty a small room with fifteen people, Like
I don't think that's just my idea, So like I'm
just gonna, like I'll call in.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, I had one. I have one thing that makes
me think I have strep throat. It's like this little
tiny like scratch that it feels like a razor blade
on the back of my right side of my throat.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I I took some niquil one night and went to sleep,
and the night quill knocked me out, which was good
but bad because when I did wake up, my fever
was coming back. When the medicine started to wear off,
my fever was coming back. And I woke up and
my throat are so bad because my nose was stuffed up.
But I was exhausted from taking the Nike will didn't matter,
(03:03):
so I was just mouth breathing, dude, like I had.
I had just swallowed a cactus cacti. Yeah, multiple like
I had swallowed cacti. And then that whole night after
that point, I woke up and I had a fever
for like NonStop, thirty six hours, one oh one, one
oh two. No matter how much medicine I took, it
was nuts.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Well, now that we let me talk about fitness, now
that we've explained why you guys sound so terrible, before
we get too far in, I want to talk about
the Concord ninety challenge we have coming up with mountaink Ops.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Oh yeah, So concre ninety is the challenge. We did
it last year with them, in conjunction with them, so
we're like their programming sponsor for it. I'm not talking
to you, guys, I'm just looking at you guys because
you're here. I'm talking to people that are watching this podcast.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
People give people.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
So what Conger ninety is is, it's a challenge ninety
day challenge. We're gonna start on January twelfth, run through
April eleventh. The rules recommend recommendations for the daily activities
sixty minutes of physical activity using Mayhem hunt hopefully, and
then it will be free that whole time, yeah, which
(04:11):
is free free. It'll be free on playbook. We'll have
a we'll have a code, and we'll have a little
challenge area to go through there, and it'll have programs
which I'll get into here in a second, that you
can choose from twenty minutes of reading a gallon of
water following a healthy measurable diet, and then fifteen minutes
of journaling. For that fifteen minutes of journaling, what I
(04:35):
will be doing and what I recommend is, you know, personally,
I'll like, I'll read my Bible, I'll write down kind
of what those things, what I'm reading, how it applies
my life, how I can apply it to my life.
But you can do whatever you want. So three things
you're grateful for, Three areas of intentional improvement something like that,
(04:56):
and for those. The thing I'm really excited about, which
was a lot of work but I kind of did
to myself because I was really excited about it, was
the different programs are going to do for it. So
if you're on the programming you're used to seeing our
boot and Crocket, Pope and Young in our garage, or
minimal version of the Crosst programming. I'm dying, So we
(05:21):
have three options. The Bouten Crocket obviously is gonna be
the most advanced. The Pope and Young option is going
to be more intermediate CrossFit, and then the garage minimal
will either be something if you're traveling, it will be
a good work out of your traveling or maybe if
you are just getting into fitness and you only have
a few items at your home gym you can't get
to a gym that day, that option is in there too,
(05:42):
So we have those for ninety days that you can follow.
We have a bodybuilding track if you're more interested in
just a normal bodybuilding track, you're you know, you're This
program starts Monday is gonna be chest and tries, and
then Tuesday is like a lower body squat focus, so
normal bodybuilding program which you could follow that for ninety days.
(06:03):
We have just cardio workouts if you wanted to follow those,
running echo bike or air bike or row. And then
some rucking I believe is in here too. Or the
one that I was actually really excited about, which I
spent the most time writing is the Everyday Hunter, which
is our version of a hybrid.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Every day hunter.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Nice you like that, Yeah, our version of a hybrid.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Athlete every day hunter. Nice?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Oh man, what do you think about that? Actually?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
That had that was not my.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
Mouth what does that program look like? Like, why are
you so excited about it?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, so Locker, of course when I showed him this,
he was so excited for this too. It's just like
it's a little bit different from so the one thing
we got from people from Conquer ninety last year was
that everyone liked the programming, but not everyone is super Yeah,
doesn't have as much experience with normal CrossFit stuff like
we're used to programming. So to give more op for
(07:00):
the people who are following it, we did more of
this everyday hunter stuff. So like, for example, the kind
of test will be doing in this will be a
on the first day of the programming, there's a one
mile run test, and then after that there's some pressing.
So there's two sessions to each day. There's a one
mile run test, then there's gonna be a wonder at
max bench on day one, and then if we go
(07:21):
all the way to the last day of the first week,
is going to be like a high Rocks style test.
There's gonna be some running and some movements in between
that running that looks like a high Rocks but more
Hunt Hunt version. Yeah, wearing a vest, so it's gonna
be running and weightlifting kind of if you know, like
what hybrid athlete whatever that body running and bodybuilding. Yeah,
(07:44):
some high intense bodybuilding. So yeah, I mean I'm really
excited about this. Like there's like there is cross style
workouts in here. There's a lot of running of course,
and there's like, yeah, like I said, there's like a
high rocks style workout that we're going to be using
as like kind of our litmus test for to start
and end to see how we progressed and then seeing
(08:06):
a strength progression through here as well. So that one
I'm really excited about. Really excited to see how people
see which ones people like to use, Like we'll be
watching the numbers on which ones people like to use,
and then we'll kind of double down on that. Like
whatever people want to see is what we'll give them
more of, is my goal. So there's your really long
form version of what conquered ideas well.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I think this is a good time to talk about.
This time of year, pretty much everyone is done with
their hunts unless.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
You're physically physical active.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Yes anything, unless you have some crazy weird late season,
you're pretty much done. So I think a lot of
people now have moved into like what you'd call off season,
which I think most people this time you're probably like,
I'm not going to do anything, and they'll really get
gung ho in like May or June further or maybe
even July. But I think this is the best time
(08:59):
to set are building a foundation. Yeah, So I just
wanted to talk today about off season training and what
that should look like for people that have an unknown task,
which is a hunt, yeah, coming up in the fall,
maybe spring bear or something like that.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah. I think, I mean, I think you probably you
guys probably agree. Uh. If you have been hunting hard
through especially September and October, and then even if you're
if you've been hunting whitetail a lot, you've probably been
neglecting your health. You've been sitting too.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
You've definitely been neglecting your health.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
You've been sitting. You've been sitting all morning, going in,
eating something that's probably not that good for you, and
going back out and hunting the afternoon, uh, or a day,
or sitting all day not even going in. I watched
his video, this guy saying that he would like bring
extra straps out to his saddle. He would hammer himself
in the saddle and would sleep in his saddle and
just wake up and start hunting again overnight. Overnight. Overnight
(09:52):
he would sleep and you would just hammer himself out
and then wake back up and just like sit up
back in his saddle like hotly.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It's impressive.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Did he kill anything?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I don't know. I didn't I didn't watch the whole
podcast was just a short hope I would hope he
killed something. He said he was there. I think he
said he sat in one spot for four days. I
don't know if he I don't know if he like
I don't know if he literally sat in the tree
for four days, but he did, like do all days sits.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I'd be worried about getting a blood clot or something.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh, I know, yeah, you'd have to like get down
just like do a couple of laps on this on
the sticks, just to get your legs moving. I think
you guys tell me you probably agree, But I think
this is the time to like start to build your
strength back, like where you've stepped. I need to start
building my strength back. I'm I'm eight pounds down from
being sick. But yeah, building your strength back if you
(10:40):
spend a lot of time in the woods, hiking, not
eating enough, you know, just and just like hunting hard.
Uh you focused. We spent a lot of time leading
into the fall focusing on like longer pieces, more kind
of lower intensity. Still some high intensity, but lower intensity
(11:00):
long you know, Zone two work and stuff like that,
so where we can get out into the woods and
hunt and hike long time for a long time. So
start to build that strength back, which we have some
strength programs that we're following on sugar Water moving over
to Playbook and it will be on there as well,
so we'll have a strength we have to one strength
progression in there and we're adding another one. And then
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the other thing is like getting some of that fast
twitch back, so faster running cycles, higher intensity workouts. We
don't have to worry about the longer durations right now,
we can start to focus on some of that higher
intensity and then as we get closer to the season,
obviously build that volume back up. So I would say
strength building and then higher intensity would take precedence for
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the next few months or so.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Those are two things I would say.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I would say strength for sure, don't completely neglect fitness
by not doing any type of metcon meta ball conditioning,
for anybody who's either new or just not familiar with
with I guess our terms, and so.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I think a lot of people will go, oh, I'll.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Just get strong, and then they'll completely neglect and what
I think you've done a good job with or over
the years that we've all done a good job of,
is like, yeah, while we're doing strength work, we're still
going to do high intensity intervals like complete rest during
those intervals, but we need to be able to like
almost use those met cons a better ballic conditioning sessions,
CrossFit what a lot of people would look at and
(12:30):
see and say as accessory pieces to the strength. Yeah,
there's a good way to do that, And I think
that's kind of what you've done with that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
But yeah, now is the time to lean into.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Those things and do those things and build that foundation
and that kind of the framework for the rest of
the season.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah. Yeah, so like kind of what he's talking about.
So like, if I'm going to do if Monday is
my heavy backs squad day, then maybe after I do
my heavy backsquads, I'm probably gonna do some running in
wallball workout afterwards.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
There's some bike bike high intensity hard leg pumpy and.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I That's the way I I like to train too,
is because if I'm gonna squat heavy, I'm already gonna
my legs is gonna be sore tomorrow. I'm not gonna
want to do like lunging in box jumps and whatever tomorrow,
So why not just like hammer it, hammer it, finish
it up, and then the next day I can do
like my bench press day, and then I can do.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Some upper body.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, I can do some body work, so I use that.
I would use the strength that I'm gonna do. So
i'm gonna squat, I'll do a lower body workout with that.
If I'm gonna bench I'll do an upper body pushing
work out with that. If I'm gonna you know, we
have some weighted pull up progression here or actually this
is in this one. There's a we're working towards a
max set of stric pull ups. So that's what we're
(13:43):
gonna focus on. Is if I can do fifteen and
then by the end of we'll build up and by
the hopefully by the end of the thirteen week program here,
then I can do you know, maybe twenty or twenty
five unbroken stric pulls like that would be the goal.
So and with that stric pull up day, there's a
pulling workout afterwards. So kind of tailoring the days to
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where I can get the most out of each day
and not let a linger into the next day where
it's gonna affect those workouts for that. Are you know
I'm gonna be one to do the next day?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Do you think?
Speaker 1 (14:13):
So?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I'll just use this scenario because we just did part
of it. We obviously work out all the time, so
that doesn't apply to us. But let's say I'm a
guy that just applied for Idaho, right, and I find
out next month I drew the tag I've never been
out or that guy? Right? Uh? Well, but yeah, let's
say I've never been out West, I haven't been working out,
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but I got this tag for ELK mule Deer whatever
what happened?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Like fall six of us get on this tag.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Then you go do it, don't. I think that's the
whole point, right.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
That we need to talk about that too. Go ahead,
but get into that.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
But so so and I let's say I need to
lose I need I know, I need to lose some weight.
I'm like thirty pounds overweight. Yeah, do you think that
in that situation, should I still focus on strength and
explosive stuff or should I start with I should still
do those things, but maybe focus on maybe some longer
stuff and at least get down to like a fighting weight. Yeah,
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for when I really ramp up training in the fund, that's.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
A good I mean, that's a good point.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Because I think that's a scenario a lot of people
find themselves true, especially if their first time.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You're not really needing to Yeah, for most people, it's like, Okay,
I want to try to lose twenty pounds before I
go out there, Like I would feel better hiking around
the pack if I dream bounds lighter.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
That's kind of the beauty the program.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Though, if you're doing the program, you're gonna the residual
effect of following one of these tracks will be to
lose some weight. And the idea that hey, if I
get stronger and put on a little bit more muscle,
that it will burn up more fat and you will
have the strength. There's you know, I think obviously we
can get into the weeds and super like analytical on
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what we're trying to do with like get you strong.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
But for most of these.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Programs, the byproduct is for a lot of guys is
if you are overweight, you're gonna lose some weight. And
if you're underweight and need to get stronger, you're gonna
get stronger. So there's almost like a it's a dual purpose.
Assuming your diet assuming yeah, assuming your diets have decent,
assuming your recovery is good. We just talked about yesterdays
and to sleep. There's all these other different things.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I just I think there's just so much benefit to
you know, everybody's like, oh, you know, I don't do CrossFit,
all right, I hate bodybuilding or I hate powerlifting or
I hate whatever. Just do something, do something and have
a goal, have something to train for. And you've heard
it probably broken record on this podcast, but having that
target or something to aim at September is that's the
(16:31):
first step. Is like all right, hey, I have this
target I want to get to, and then maybe within
that target, have a goal of like I want to
be able to run, you know, have a physical goal
of like yeah, maybe I do need to lose twenty
pounds fifteen pounds, but also I need like an actual
physical goal, like I want to get my mile under
eight minutes or whatever it is, and.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So using those yeah, using those basically there's like stepping
stones to get you to the goal that you want
to go to. So like that's and that's kind of
the idea of the whole conquer ninety thing in general,
is that there's other people doing it. There's like if
there's a Facebook group where you can talk to those
other people who are also doing it challenges. Yeah, I
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mean we talk about it all the time about having
a team around you. When you get somebody else who's
training for the same thing, or maybe not even the
same thing, but kind of has the same same end
goal in mind of like like let's just say me
and Scott are going to Idaho and we and we're
probably gonna be hunt Mualdier together. And if we're in
a position where we're like, hey, we both need to
lose some weight, then we have that that goal and
we have an accountability partner. We're going to be like, hey,
(17:35):
if you're hunting with me, I don't want to be
waiting on you. And he's thinking, hey, I don't be
waiting on you. So we're gonna yeah, so we don't
want to let each other down. And that's the that's
kind of the idea of the Conquer ninety with the
community aspect. We have other people who are doing it
with you, so you're pushing to go, you know, to
get to those goals. And it's not just like this
this this made up goal kind of that like that
(17:58):
you see and you can't really you know, you can't
really talk about or touch or whatever, like like it's like, no,
we are hunting mule deer in October. What do we
need to do to get there and to be in
shape to actually give ourselves a good chance. And then
like within that goal, maybe I have a goal of Okay,
I want to squad through fifteen and then maybe I
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want to run an eight minute mile, Like those are
those small goals that build me. And then all of
a sudden I get out there and I go, wow,
I'm in a lot better shape than I was. Yeah,
when I set the goal to get here. So that's
kind of that's kind of the idea. And this is
supposed to be like a stepping stone for the rest
of the year. So use this Conquer ninety if you're
going to sign up for it, use the Conquer ninety
to then build off of that.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, it's almost like setting quarterly goals like Okay, by March,
end of March, I want to build to do this.
Yeah yeah, yeah, and then middle of the summer, I
want to be able to do this, and then by
the season is almost your third one. Yeah, that's a
good point. Like all most of these most states, you're
putting in some some form of like a group application. Yeah,
there's some ability to do that, so fine. Yeah, making
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group chating exactly. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to
form like community and force each other to work out.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I mean, that's pretty much how the Mayhem hunt group
chat started were like we uh we hunted together. Yeah,
like I mean was it there was It was a
year before I went to Gunnison, like you guys went
once and then like yeah yeah, and it just like
that's kind of how it all started, where it was
just like a group chat. We sent workouts back and
forth of like hey I did this like getting ready,
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and that's literally how we started. I think that's how
I think that's a good starting point for every anybody.
You have buddies that are you're hunting buddies, you're sending
workouts back and forth with and that you're accountable to
each other when you get out there. You don't want
to be the weakest link. Yeah, so me and Scott
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are definitely probably were the most likely. Oh, Sam put
in for meal deer two on our on our group.
He has his own group, but like he most likely
will get it. He just put it in for it
because I was like, hey, if you don't, he can
only do one. So if he doesn't, like, hey, if
you don't get the if we don't get the elk tag,
then you can put in for meal deer and you
almost definitely will get.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Will he hunt elk if he gets in for that, he.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Will hunt elk and not meal deer. If he doesn't
get the elk tag, he'll hunt meal deer. That makes sense,
Like is like his backup. So we all put in
for Idaho for elk.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I say, don't tell the unit people get real snow.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Nate will freak out. Put it for Idoh for elk
and mule deer, Me and Scott for meal deer. Rich
and his his best buddy put in for elk.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Sam, I got put in with my best buddy.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And which one? Yeah, I know we yes, so we
have I don't know what we'll do if we all draw,
because there's a chance that there's a lot of there's
a lot of chances here that we all get drawn
in the same unit.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Will be six six bulltags.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Yeah no, because I'm not on it, okay, five?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Oh yeah, no, you you just would you would just
be filming. Yeah, one, two, three, four, four.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Oh okay, yeah, I'm not on the elk one.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Unlikely, but very unlikely, very very unlikely. But that's if
we all go in the same unit. There's a chance
that we all draw and go to different units. There's
a chance that one group draws, like if you and
Jason draw and then me or Sam, Me and Sam draw.
So there's that chance, and there's a chance that none
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of us draw, which would suck. But then the most
likely thing is that me and Scott will almost definitely
get a mule deer rifle tag in October. That one,
that one from what Nate said, That one's like a
guarantee that you will get drawn for It's just like
how good of a unit it is, and you will
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probably kill a mule deer. Just how good of a
deer you will kill, So that'll be exciting no matter
what we.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
All know how selective Angela and I are.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah, does that mean your urban hunt is off?
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, will still be honest.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Sorry, sorry ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Those properties need to be managed to be managed. So yeah,
that's I'm pretty excited for that. I'm excited to uh
go west of the Mississippi. Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Angela is going to be like Lewis and Clark out there.
I discovering things for the first time Colorado, I know,
but I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We actually had no idea what we were doing in
cold and he never hunted with us once.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, the good news is we won't have any idea
what we're doing that before.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Did you venture from camp that year?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
We I did what I went. Well, the problem is,
here's the problem. I don't think I need this anymore.
Here's the problem is I did go. The first few days.
I hunted really hard and really dumb. Okay, I was
with Luke and Dudds Me, Luke and Dudds went really
hard in the middle of nowhere. And this is and
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this is going to be even better when Duds is here,
is that we were walking through this bottom where like
there's a bed and uh, we had hiked I mean
we were at the probably the highest point of Colorado
and we hiked down to sea level, I mean not possible.
We hiked down to I mean what it was seemed
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like ten miles.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
And oh, is this where you guys found that dead head?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, this is around where we found the deadhead, but
we were just hiking U and Duds turns to me
and Luke and he goes, guys, how cool is it
to think that we might be the only too, we
might be the only three people who have ever walked
on this area. And we go not one hundred yards
there's a smoldering campfire, and turns to Duds and he goes, hey, Dud,
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it's really cool that we're the only people that've ever
walked here. It was. It couldn't have been better. I mean,
you walk one hundred yards, there's a campfire that it's
been there. I mean it wasn't smoldering, but it wasn't
a week old. It wasn't even a week old.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
The best would have been if you kept walking and
there was a couple of guys like.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, there were no elk there, so you could
cut anything up.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
So yeah, uh no, that was the problem. Is that
we I just did so much dumb stuff. I got
so burnt out those first few days, just hiking and
seeing absolutely nothing. If I would have seen anything, I
would have been like I know how I am. I
would have been bit by it bad. But I saw
the I saw the ass end of one cow elk
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from no less than two miles away, two miles no less.
I mean I could barely see in my binoculars, barely.
Me and TJ just hiked that one day at one time,
and we just could barely see another goal, there's elk here.
And of course we hiked over there the next day.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Saw nothing because they wouldn't they would, they'd be in
that exact same spot.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, they would. I mean, yeah exactly. Uh so? And
I yeah, I mean I I I have no idea
what I'm doing, So I have a lot of I
have a lot of uh research to do about elk hunting.
I mean, I understand hunting in general a little bit
more or now so that that does help. It doesn't Yeah, no, no, no,
it's not gonna help my chances. But it at least
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helped me from hiking completely aimlessly.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, it's almost just as just as much as if
you weren't in shape and didn't know how to hunt,
it might it might be worse for your chances to
kill elk or you're if you're in shape and don't
not hunt, Because if you're not in shape and don't
know how to hunt, you're probably gonna get to a
good spot and you're getting glass and if you sit
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there long enough, you will most likely see something and
then try to figure out how to make a play. Yeah,
but if you're just walking walking, you have no clue
what you're doing, probably just pushing stuff all over the
mount YEA true, So it is an interesting concept. But
if you can have a mild idea of what you're
doing and be in shape, then that you're good. You're
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you're off to a better start than most people.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah, like I I mean, I guess this is just.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Hard to because they'd never talked whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, it was we ever heard.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
A real bugle but maybe one time.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, that's true, And I don't know, you especially when
that time of year, like you have to have some
like some semblance of where they're at.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, I even remember if we heard a bugles there,
if it was a different year in a different place.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, it was tough, tough.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
It was tough. It was so tough. But yeah, towards
the end of the week, I did not Like I
remember when it was like the second to last day,
you guys were getting up to go out and me
and TJ were still in bed, and you go, are
you guys coming out and go? Maybe? Like I think
we got up at like seven or eight, and like
I think we worked out and then we just like
there's like the bench, we worked out a little bit.
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I guess we'll go hike around a little bit. That
might have been the day.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I this is a this is a fun time of
year though, because there's so much anticipation of like what
hunts everyone's gonna get, yeah, and where we're gonna end
up going, and what the season is going to look like.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
So like Riskey being engaged, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Right now is exciting and then you know soon there
might be a lot of disappointment.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah for sure, nothing whaling and gnashing of teeth.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, there is excitement right now because usually I
was telling him earlier that like towards like when January comes,
we're not there yet, but that's when like, especially with
whitetail when I'm so exhausted from hunting because I feel
like I have to go out every day, or at
least every opportunity I get if I haven't killed something.
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I have to go out almost every single day because
I'm like, well, if I'm not out there, that I
can't kill something, so I better go out so I
can try. And I'm I get so burnt out I
don't even want to look at my camo by like
by the middle of January, because I'm just so frustrated
from hunting every single day. I'm exhausted. I haven't slept
in months. I'm like, I don't I don't even want
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to hunt, and then it like summer comes around and
it's like, okay, here we go. I start to shooting
my bos more. I'm like, yeah, well yeah, but like
when I'm thinking of deer, I'm like, all right, you know,
I could, this might be the year, you know, and
then it's just like the switch flips. I'm like, oh, yeah,
I could. I think I think it's gonna be a
good spot, Like I like that spot. I'll put a
true stand there, and then it's just like this vicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Angela.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
It's so it's just so much funder in the fall.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And then I told me, I still want to I
did a better job this year of tape tempering.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I didn't hunt much in October.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
I didn't hunt it all until you.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Destroyed yourself in white til season last year. Last year,
no reward, no rules. Well between hunting and Illinois and
not killing anything man, and then here you hunted really hard.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, I've.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
There's been a couple several times that I've wanted to
go out and just with family and kids stuff. Kids
being at different schools makes it really tough to get
out in the morning or evening. So so I'm like,
I still want to go out, and we've got a
couple more weeks here.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
That you can still go out.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So I'm I'm looking forward to like next week when
the kids are out of school.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You went out a couple of.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Mornings this uh, this year, you did this same thing.
I didn't hunt at all until like the first cold front,
like late October was the first time I sat. And
the amount of deer I've seen is so much better.
I don't go in there early season and blow them out.
I wait until it's good weather.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
I'm not so but I'm also not good enough of
a hunter and to understand October, like you know, I
know people were like, you know, the what do they
call it the wall Octoberlall it's not true or whatever,
but like you know, they find these acorn trees and stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I just I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
There's definitely people that can consistently kill deer, yeah at
that time of year.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, I just I'm not there yet, like judging the wind,
the weather, all that type of stuff trying. But what
I will say, yeah, this year was way better. And honestly,
the Texas hunt helps a lot with the white tail,
you know, like wanting to do that. So I think
next week we'll go to Illinois hoping what did you say,
you could.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Go two weeks two weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
After next week from when this comes out. I guess
when did you say your FAMI don't know because we
were looking. We looked at some days here and.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
There's probably probably early at the middle of the week.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I can go, Okay, I think that was.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It was like the twenty eighth looks like the weather
breaks for like three days there. And when I say breaks,
it goes from like mid sixties to low fifties.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Which should should help. I I'm going to try to
my brother said, he is interested in trying to shoot
his first year, so I'm going to take him out.
I set up a blind and uh so, I guess
so we can sit together. I'm not sitting in a
buddy stand with his big ass. So I'm gonna try
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to get him to shoot his shoot a deer. So
that'll be exciting, he said. I mean, he said he's
all for it, and he was like he's you know,
he lives in Florida, So he's like, uh, what what
kind of like you got you got stuff for me
to wear? Like yeah, probably? I go, you you got
any long underwear something? He goes, I don't have long
aron I live in Orlando. Like okay. Uh he goes like,
(30:59):
what's the tempt there? And I didn't know that it
was gonna be so warm over Christmas break when he's here,
but uh, he's like like that was And when I
told him, I was like, I was like, you know,
mid thirties. He goes, that'd be fine. I'll just like
wear sweatpants and like a hoodie.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
No you won't.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Oh my dude, We're gonna be there for three hours.
You're gonna die.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
It's just sitting not moving.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, dude, you're gonna die. You're an idiot. He just
has no idea. So I'll let him freeze. I'll try
to put it. I'll try to get a jacket on
him and maybe some bibs. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
I run really hot, and when we went to Texas,
I didn't. So I went from Georgia to Michigan to Texas. Yeah,
and so I was just kind of maneuvering my white
tail toe to where it had like yeah, super it
was eighty in Georgia, but then it was sub thirty
two in Michigan. It was like ten a couple of
days when I hunt this, and then I looked at
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the Texas forecast and I the highs were like mid
fifties or sixty whatever. I didn't really pay attention to
the lows for some reason. So the first night and
maybe this first or second morning, I didn't bring bibs
is what I what I'm getting hold And so I
had like three weight pants on, but I didn't bring
like long John's or anything. And it was like thirty
degrees and windy, and I had maybe like the a
(32:13):
mid layer at best sweatshirt. I was not warm because
I didn't pay attention at all, just like all the highs, like, yeah,
there's a there's cactus all over the place. It's a dude,
it's Texas.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It was ultiple times it was really cold.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Crap. Yeah, and then I got home and I hunted
here and used that, Uh, what's the heaviest weight bibs?
Speaker 3 (32:35):
The thermic dude?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
That was great?
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, oh yeah, I've got the one, the one below
below that.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I used that. I'll set out, Holy crap.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
I'll set out in Michigan and the court is that
it's called the core, and it'll be ten degrees. I'm
in a tree stand. I'm fine. Yeah, I run hot,
but in Texas with no bibs, I was freezing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I have.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
That's pretty much what i's. That is pretty much exactly
what I wear. I just like, I layer up or
layer down the core and that's usual good enough for me.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah, yeah, so sweatpants. He's going to be hurting.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Oh, he's gonna be hurting.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
It helps me.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Then blind, It does help, I mean, but ground blind.
It's not a box blind.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
There's some extra first light here stuff here, give him
try something, guess anything. I think so. I think the
next one will do a.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
We'll do a couple, we'll do a series of we
need to do series on gym builds.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Because it is the off season, it's a good time
to do that.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
For anyone, for anyone who is going to ask about
the concher Nindy, I don't think we have a link.
But when's this podcast coming out next week? I don't
think there's a link for it to sign up yet.
I think sign up starting on the first.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
So one week when this comes out about.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
The will post that whenever we can.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good way if
if you're just get it, deciding you want to get
in shape, or even if you want to keep doing it. Yeah,
it's a good way to get I think the most
important thing to sticking with fitness is community aspect of it.
It's a good way to do do these tracks alongside
some other people.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, get somebody that is in your same whether you
go to a gym or not. Get somebody in your
same town.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
And it's someone you've applied for tag with.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah. Yeah, and and just start and start here with
the Conquer ninety and then it's it's so much easier
when you have somebody else who's like, hey, dude, you
want to work out, then you you want to go?
And like I was, I was actually talking to my
dad about this the other day. He said, it's just
like he said when he's I mean, this is just
human nature. He's like when I was when we moved here,
he had you just had like someone that he worked
(34:31):
out with at the gym, and he's like, my buddy
text me, like I just would go, Like even if
I didn't want to go, I just would go anyways
because he asked me, and he's gonna be there, so
I'm gonna show up. It's just like, it's just human nature.
You're gonna show up, somebody else is counting on you.
You're most likely just gonna go anyways.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
But that's how I ended up doing a twenty four
hour row for now the third year in a row.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, exactly, because Rich just.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
At this point just assumes I'm going to.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Do it preparrell of a drug exactly. All right, sweet,
right next week. Peace
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