May 7, 2025 • 38 mins
On this weeks In Service Of sisters Aly and AJ join cohosts Steve Baltin and Sage Bava to take everybody through the process of making their superb new album, "Silver Deliverer." It's a can't miss conversation that is funny, emotional and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hi, it's Steve Balton. Welcome to end service Ub. This
week stage Baba and I had joined by sisters Ali
and Aj. We had a wonderful conversation with them about
their brilliant new album, about how It's Banga Canyon, Oxdale, Stew,
pregnancy and much more influenced the album. Really enjoyed this conversation,
(00:26):
enjoyed talking about their upcoming tour, about Summerfest in Milwaukee,
and so much more, and be sure to look out
for the upcoming cookbook. Thanks so much. Yeah, you know,
(00:48):
it's so funny. I've still never made it a stage coach,
but this year I had, you know, I got approached
to do a story with it, and I was like,
I fuck it. If I'm gonna do something, it's gonna
be interesting. So I had Atlanta Springsteen interview Crystal Gail
and it kind of really we want to go.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's cool, that's very cool. That's a great interview to interview.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah. No, And it was funny because I don't know,
do you know Alana or did you have you ever
met her?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
No, we've never met her. I mean she's great. I
know she played this weekend and I wish we would
have seen her. The only act that we were able
to actually see live after our Wrangler event. I was
able to stay for Stirgil Simpson, who's like my favorite.
Oh so he was my number one. That was really
who I was here for. But honestly, i'd love to
see Alana live, and we've never seen Crystal Gale live,
so that would have been cool too.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well. It's so interesting because you know, normally when I
do these, it's like a moderated conversation, and Alana is
just a born interview where I'm like, fuck, did it
just put you to work? And I don't have to
do anything. I think that's awesome time.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
She was a pro. Yeah, you either got it or
you don't. She had the National Dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
If you could interview one artist, who would you interview?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I think Chris Martin.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, he would be a great interview, and I feel
like he would be super friendly and just warm and invited. Yeah,
like yeah he I mean, he's been doing this for
so long. I would say, yeah, Chris is a great one.
And I would add in Jim James.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Interesting, Okay, love that I.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Knew you were going to say that. Hey, Steve, I
just want to shout you out for that really cool
quote about places to run that meant a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
No, thank you. Yeah, well, okay, I figured we would
start there before we started talking stage coach. But the
natural starting question, who's your favorite face when you're sad?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Hmm, I mean at this point Ali's son.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, honestly, he puts a smile on our face if
we're even just a little bit sad.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
If he wasn't even around when that line print.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Was written, that was like way that was pre me
even getting pregnant. Oh yeah, so maybe it's.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Uh, that is fascinating because and Sage was on this call.
I've been friends with James Bay for years. I fucking
love that dude, and he's one of the nicest people
in the world. And we were talking about the fact that,
you know, he made this whole record while his wife
was pregnant, but a lot of the songs he didn't
realize were about that until he went back and listened
(03:05):
to them, because a lot of writing gets so conscious. Yes, So,
now that you think about it, do you think that
line was written for him like prophetically?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Oh, kind of permpletely.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And what's interesting is that line and that song specifically
I think kind of deals with just going through like
a hard time, like mentally, where you're just not feeling
like yourself and feeling balanced, and knowing that there's this
place that you can kind of run to, you know,
this this person that that you can seek refuge in.
(03:36):
It's just interesting, Yeah, that that we were, I think
speaking about him, not even knowing that he was soon
to exist.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, and I think that lyric, I mean it represents
quite a few faces for me. You know, it's like,
it's Ali, It's it's my partner, it's our best friend, Raymond.
Like we definitely are blessed with a circle of people
where that that line represents quite a few faces. But
it's not everyone, you know, it's you. It really didn't
really matter, and it's really been a part of our
lives for years.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What It's really funny because I think the reason I
gravitated to it so much, I mean, a it's just
a great line and it makes you think. And I
love songs that make you think. At this point, I
don't know if you know ton Day how to beat
them from TV on the radio. Oh yeah, yeah, his
new album. It's really interesting. There's a song on there
called God knows, which you would think would be like
(04:26):
God only knows, except for the opposite. It's literally the
line is God knows, You're the worst thing I've ever loved.
But you know what's interesting, that's funny. When he presented
the song on Instagram, he asked the question, what's the
worst thing you ever loved? And well, think about them
for a second, because he and I got into a
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conversation on it, and it is a shockingly deep question
because when we start to think about it, as he
and I talked about, you have to think about first
what is you've actually loved. There's very few things. And
then both of us when we talk about it, we're like, now,
there's nothing. Neither one of us ever regret anything we
ever loved. We never got addicted to drugs, never were alcoholics,
(05:07):
you know. So, But it's interesting because I just gravitating
now to songs that make you think.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, and love is such a deep meaning, Like I
think we use it kind of frivolously sometimes, like oh
I love that. It's like we use it so casually, right,
It's like do you.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Actually really love it or do you just enjoy it
and like it?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, yeah, interesting well, I don't want to hug the
whole conversations. Let's say shack over for a second.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
So that's a gorgeous album.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
He really loved the title. Really makes you think too.
I mean, you know, lyrics, of course are so important
to be openers of different ideas, but like titles are
perhaps like the most important too to put that all together.
And it's really interesting to hear you guys talk about
how you came upon that title, and I was curious,
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what what other things that you felt were delivered both
to your knowledge of yourselves as partners in music and
you know, in life, and what else you've learned through
the process of making the record.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, I mean I think that this, this whole season
of music making between Age and I and our collaborators,
was this just deliverance into a new chapter of our lives,
a new chapter as a mom, as an aunt, as sisters,
really kind of rooting ourselves even deeper in the ground
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in our sound, and I think further exploring kind of
the chances that we were taking with with with love
from when we made that record and just diving deeper
into that and being more secure and more sure of
the choices we were making, And I think part of
that was working with a producer like Jonathan Wilson, who
is so seasoned as not only a musician, but as
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a producer and a nariata as an artist himself.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He has such a warm, lovely.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Energy and personality in the studio that is so easy
going and relaxing to be around. I think it only
made Agent I'm more comfortable in making the choices we did.
And the fact that you know, my son was only
literally eight days old when we brought him to the
studio to finish the recording of that album. He was
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so open to that. I mean, it's not like he
had a baby in the studio in the past. So
the fact that he was down and was holding Jack
sometimes while I was cutting vocals and then cooking like
a beautiful homemade stew from the Topega Canyon, you know,
country mark down the street to nourish ourselves, and then
going back and cutting some drums. I mean, it was
(07:46):
just this beautiful, just this this beautiful existence into peg
A Canyon that we were a part of for for
a month.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, I'll truly never forget it. It's kind of wild
because I want to go back me too so bad
to that exact moment we will for record number eight.
It is wild that this is our seventh studio album,
full length studio album, And if I think back, I
loved every part of album making, like songwriting, production, working
with different musicians, getting an idea in the studio and
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it's sparking another idea. I mean, it really is a
magical event when you make a record, but this one
is so poignant and different because of life and birth
and a little child being born throughout this album process.
It's wild. So for me, you know, we lived into
Panga as a family for a month to cut this
album so that we could be down the street from
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Jonathan's house, and it was just really cool to live
as a family with this newborn.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It was me and my partner Ali and her husband
every night, home cooked meal, just enjoying music making, meeting
musicians at these great Topanga gatherings, people like Buck Meek.
I mean, it was really just a special time and
a time where it felt like Topanga is what it was,
you know. It's like it was such a music community
back in the day, and it actually she still is.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It still has that I think the search it out
in in need for a sense of community, and there's
not a lot of that left left in La but
Tapanga definitely holds that for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's still there.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I love the integration of of how your environment showed
up for you in the record, and I also love
the thought deliverer deliverance. It's a form of service and
music can be the vessel for that so poignantly. Something
we like to talk about is service. And since you
(09:38):
were in such this this beautiful world of family and
music making, I'm curious how that words service and music
through service means to you and if that's changed at
all in the past couple months.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, I think that's only elevated for us and grown.
I mean, you know, it is a service business. We're
not only serving ourselves creatively, but we're serving our fan
like we have the most special fans. I really cannot
like get enough of them. It's it's wild. They're like
great people, like salt of the earth, human beings, and
I do think that's a reflection of the music we're
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making and who Ally and I are, which I think
is beautiful. But it's also kudos to them like, these
are great people. You just want to listen to good
music and have fun and be around good.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And makes them feel connected and maybe it heals them
from their life or traumas that they've gone through exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, even having this intimate listening party throughout the
weekend at the Desert, you know, around Stagecoach, we had
this really beautiful Silver Deliver activation where we hung out
with fans for like three hours and just talked about
the record and played it on vinyl and it was
just so sweet. A lot of them, some of them
we hadn't met ever before, some had flown in, some
we had known. But it's always just really lovely to
(10:51):
me and never surprising because at this point I'm used
to it, but I never take advantage of how special
are fans of so it is it's a service for them.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, courrectly.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You know, it's really interesting though, No, I saw a
lot of your stories and shoot, people look like they
were having a great time. But you know, it's funny.
I did a story for the La Times. It's running
on Wednesday on somehow randomly, partly due to Stage I've
become the La Times Jazz Guy, which is a fucking
blast cool.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, it's really fun. But I did a story that's
running on Wednesday on new artists who you know, like
to watch in that field, who are either jazz or
jazz adjacent, and you know, it's interesting because the running
theme was the idea of slowing down. And there was
the youngest guy in the articles, like twenty one years old.
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His name is Aaron, and he specifically talked about the
need to slow down and take you back to simpler times.
And it really feels like there's a like large scale
movement for people, and I think it started even before
the administration of people just tired of technology and tired
of the pace. And do you feel like those fans
are gravitating to you so much? Because there is such
(11:59):
a lead back vibe, there's such a comfortable feel, like,
you know, there's a very seventy sound to this record,
and people gravitate to the fact that they're, like, dude,
there's burns.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I think a lot of.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Our world can be super overstimulated, and I also think
that music can sometimes be overstimulating at times too, and
I think that this music doesn't do that. I think
it makes you tap into yourself and makes you kind
of sit back and think. And I do believe that
we are gravitating towards those things because it's not sustainable
(12:35):
to continue in this kind of fast paced world. So
it'll be interesting to see I think the pendulum swing
to a generation of kids that are kind of not
embracing technology as heavily as our generation did.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I think that will for sure happen too.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's going to be wild to see, like Ali's Sun
grow up and be like, gosh, this social media stuff
is actually like quite nerdy, Like it always flips like
they're gonna look at it like this was what our
parents were in.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, and then all of a sudden they're like embracing
the dumb phone, you know, and that's like yeah again,
which I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
That's that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And then it'll swing again, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah. I think being out in nature, reading, you know,
partaking in.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Museums and going to films and screenings. I think all
those things like those are so important to us as
a as a community and as a way to connect
with with ourselves and the people that we care about.
So I hope that that that finds people more than
ever right now.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, well, certainly it seems to be musically, but I
think also people are just in response to like, you know,
I was joking about it with someone the other day,
and it's like you think about you know, like for example,
Woody Yell and Andy Hall. Right, did you guys see
that movie? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, at the end of the
movie when he's like, well, I did write into you
know her one more time the screening, which I thought
was you know, which I took as a whorl of victory,
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and then it's like, well, now it's like there's no mystery.
It's like, well I stopped her Instagram and I found
her on the corner of you know, and it's like, dude,
all of that chance gone. Yes, tired of it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, even dating apps have kind of ruined the mystery
of meeting someone.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh that's a whole other discussion. But you know where
I want to go back to something you're talking about
the steal, because this is just one of my favorite
fun questions. So Billy Corgan, who I love, I've got
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I've known him for years. He did an interview with
Zane Lowe where Zaane asked him about the success of
the pumpkins in the nineties, and if you know Billy,
he's really a sarcastic ashole. I love it. We get
along great, but you know, so Billy was like, well
it was the right water, the right chicken palm, like
just you know, joking about it. So it became a
running joke between us. The food that fuels a record.
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So what you know, we talked about like what food
fueled Velvet Underground? What food fuel led Zeppelin? So obvious question.
What food fueled this record?
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Oxtail steck, oxtail stew man, that was this, that was
the stew And it's funny because it so nourishing for
someone who just for someone who just had, you know,
who just gave burst.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
There's this book. There's two books.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Actually the there's The First forty Days, which is the
first forty days postpartum, and then there's Nine Golden Months
and it's and I forget the author, but if you
look it up online her name will pop up. But
she she made these two beautiful cookbooks about really like
what the mother should be eating pre pregnancy and post
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and so my husband brought the book out and him
and Jonathan and Steven's boy AJ's boyfriend all cooked from
it and it was just beautiful and a lot of
it was was stew and specifically oxtail stew.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
A lot of like.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Warm warm you know, high uh, just like super rotein,
high protein food is really great.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So that was that was something that we ate a
lot and.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Then kind of how we should be eating anyway anyways,
and then we had a lot of I don't know
if it's something that like everybody knows about, but that's
bitchen sauce. Oh, Jonathan's a big fan of bitchin sauce,
which is this, like it's this so it's like a hummus.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
It's kind of a hummus salsa.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I don't Yeah, it's incredible and you just have it
with like it's like chips and salsa.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
But it is so good.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And it was at that Topanga Canyon, Yeah gourmet, and
so we had that like pretty much every other day.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And then what fueled me, which I've I've now mentioned
in another publication I think, which is kind of funny
that's coming up, is the frozen yogurt in.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a shop.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
To Panga Country Mark. What's it actually called to Panga Gourmet.
That's a Canyon Gormanion Gourmet. There's a shop called Canyon
Gourmet and to Panga that serves a soft serf. That
is the best sauce serve I've ever had. And that
was my true It was so hot when we were
recording that, that was my treat. Like I would go
over there after lunch and be like, I'm getting a
frozen yogurt and coming back to the studio. So honestly,
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hardy stews and some great frozen yogurt.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That's so interesting when you go back and listen to
this record. First of all, no one has ever in
the history of this question answered oxtaiale steal. I've never
known anyone. If you can eating it, I trust your
your judgment that it was good.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
But that's a great question.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Do you hear oxtail steal or frozen yogurt this record?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Because different, they're very, very different. Frozen yogurt was just
more of the dessert, you know, it was just more
the every now and then snack. I mean I really
hear the stew. Yeah, it's a hardy album.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Frozen yogurt is maybe a little bit like Dandy Lyons.
You know, it's a little more summary summary. It's like
you're licking your you know, phone hone and you're happy
and the wind is blowing and it's sunny.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm more hearing stew, but across most of it, Yeah,
it's a hardy album.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Hmmm. Where do you hear this the strongest?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I hear deliver, Silver Deliver. I hear it in the
guitar changes. I hear it in the drums like blows.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's not an aggressive album, but it's a very like
rock forward record. And there's something about like eating a
warm bowl of stew that I'm like, there's something very
comforting about this album. Yeah, that I feel like represents
that the kitchen we were.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
It's comforting.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But it's also like oxtail Stew is a little niche,
like it's not that's not maybe for everybody, which is
also okay, Like it's like, if you want to get
in and and be gourmet and and try the the
oxtail stew, listen to the rest and listen to this record,
you're you're gonna appreciate it, But it's not necessarily maybe
for everybody. I think it's one of those records where
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if you listen to it, I think I think a
couple times over you'll be like, oh yeah, I'm understanding.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I find that sometimes with bands that I love, specifically
The National I'm going to use them as an example.
I always feel like I need to listen to their
records like a handful of times before I'm like fully in.
I don't know why that is, but I think that's
actually really cool. It's like a record that you need
to listen to a few times over to really begin
to appreciate, as opposed to first off listen and you
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just get it right away. Way, It's like it needs
to sit with you and marinate a bit, which I
actually think.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Is rat It's for gourmet listeners.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Gourmet listeners.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Interesting, Okay, you should, guys, should be a cookbook with
the album.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's actually a great idea, actually a freaking great idea.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Steve, all right, well, you can just make me exactly
a producer.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Perfect, okay, great, great, we'll shut you out. You can
write the forward.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Sure, I don't know anything about ox still super You're
not going to be I feel, you know, it's very
strong and something really fascinating about music making and hearing
people talk about it. I think is hearing those songs
that just kind of came to you in a moment
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and hearing those stories behind it. Was there any songs
in particular that that feels really resonant about.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I mean, I think Sirens, Yeah, was the song. You
know that.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Obviously, the subject matter of the song is very heavy
because of it being about a personal experience that we
went through. You know, we both along with our band
and crew, survived in mass shooting in twenty twenty two
when we played our first show of the tour and
we had another you know, catch of.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
The beach tour.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, we had another thirty plus shows to play, and
we always felt like it was important that we write
about that experience because of this you know, epidemic that
we're experiencing with gun violence, and we became more and
more outspoken about it, partnering with organizations and just being
really proactive online.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
When we set out to write the song, we went
to a collaborator that we really trusted and felt could
really help us delicately tell the story. But you know,
that song, for instance, is a song that we worked
on for quite some time just because of its subject
matter and wanting to really make sure that we got
it right, whereas other songs, you know, we wrote and
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it was just done, you know, songs like Lasso, songs
like what it feels like pretty quick, pretty quick, And
it's just interesting the songs that sometimes need more time
and the songs that just kind of happen in one
session and you're just like, that was it, that was
that was all we needed. And sometimes, you know, you
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might tweak a lyric here and there, but it's always
very interesting to see the songs that come out of
the session and just like where your headspace is in
those sessions. You know, sometimes you come in and you're
like stressed from your daily life or whatever it might be.
You're feeling like, gosh, I really hope we get a
great song today, you know, and then you don't, or
you do and you're pleasantly surprised. It's there's really no
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rhyme or reason. It's it's really wild. Each time it's different.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah, I mean, the that makes a lot of sense.
Integrating such important matters, taking your time, and I love
how much you've spoken about the importance of community for
this record, and you know, I think that's one of
the bigger shifts that we're seeing, is people's real need
and understanding that we need that connection to nature and
(22:23):
to community. Can you talk about how now, with sharing
this record with the world, you know something that maybe
you'd love your fans to know, or something that you've
shared during the listening session, just you know, as this
new music reaches your very vast, amazing community around the world.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Well, I think you know, we've been able to reach
I think so many fans because we've been doing this
for so long, which is beautiful. But my favorite way
to really integrate record making to the fan is live stage.
Like for me, it's just all about being on tour
so our connection. Yes, it lies in the music for sure,
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but beyond that, when we're on the road, being able
to sing these songs live for our fans is the
best way we can connect to them, hands down. And
it is like a circle, like we get so much
from them, they get so much from us, and it's
just this energetic circle that just kind of keeps going
for two hours while you're on stage, and it's really
hard to come down from. Like I mean, you guys
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have probably heard this from many people with past interviews.
It lives with you for the whole night. I mean,
it's really hard to get off that buzz. And part
of me feels like this is why Aliy and I
never ever ended up doing drugs, because I'm like, I
feel like the live shown high. I mean, there's a
lot of people that end up doing drugs and go
on tour, but I'm like, wow, how do you do that?
(23:50):
The drug is the tour. I mean I am literally
high every night on that stage, just off the fans.
It's wild and just.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
A go like backstage camaraderie that you have with your
band and crew and the dinners.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
That you go out to, or the day off that
you have, like all of.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
That is like fueling you, which is why it's also
sometimes hard to come down and come off tour. I
actually understand the addiction in a way to being out
on the road and some of these guys that are
just road dogs and have been for years.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, it actually makes sense totally. I don't know if
that fully answered your question, but it was just on
my heart to.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Talk about, I mean, and maybe to add to what
AJ was saying.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know, I think.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know, the the live show obviously is and has been,
you know, especially since coming back to music again, has
been our main focus. And you know, again like we
are an independent act, so you know, really all the
choices that we're making are our choices that that we're
carrying a large part of the financial load as well
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with and so it's always it's always been this kind
of push and pull between giving the fans this this
great show that we feel really really proud of that
also you know, makes sense for us financially as a band.
So you know, to us, we want to just level
up every single tour each each time that the visuals
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get better and that the song selection gets better and
the set list is tighter and the transitions or are
just really strong and fluid.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
You know, we have an even larger band this time
that we're bringing out on the road with us.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
There's now six of us up on stage, including AG
and I, which I think is going to sound sonically
just really full and amazing. And we're also pulling in,
you know, some songs from Into the Rush. Given that
it's a twenty year anniversary, we want to play some
of those songs in the set more than we have
in the past, usually we only play like one or two.
But you know, this year, we felt like this is
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our moment to really celebrate this record with the fans.
So we're really just looking forward to, yeah, playing these
shows and singing these songs with people. I mean, this
album specifically, to me, is so meant to be played
in a live setting, especially with these these long solos.
It just it just feels like, yeah, like a record
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that should be listened to out out in nature, you know,
under the stars, under the trees.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So would you ever do it start to finish the.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Record like live?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, unfortunately it's not quite a long
enough set if we just did that. I mean, I think, yes,
the order of the album is always really important, and
we don't always we don't always honor that live. I mean,
we've done a tour before where we played a couple
shows where we played the album front to back live.
It's tricky because when you want to play a bunch
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of old music as well, it's fun to weave old
and new together, so you don't want to just commit
to the track listing of the most recent album. But honestly,
I love that idea. I more take that for like
an album listening event when the album comes out special
release or special release. But we did it. We did
it for Into the Rush. You know. We've got a
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really special re record of the End of the Rush
album coming out Front to Back. It's the twenty year
anniversary this year, so that's coming out in August, so
that'll be a really cool, a cool listening event for fans.
But yeah, this record, we're going to try to play
all the new songs. It just won't be the exact order,
and it'll be along a long side. It'll be at
least two hours plus, you know whatever. It is crazy
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to me though, that's most artists, us included, don't just
yeah play it, yeah, yeah, front to back. But it
doesn't always work.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
But I do love that.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, well, I always enjoy that experience, you know. Particularly
what happens when you see an artists do that is
they do it, start to finish and they do a
second set. That's he does something different.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Sure, yeah, and we've done that before. It's funny. We
did this show in dis Planes where we played the
album that was currently out front to back in order,
and then the End of the Rush album front to
back in the in that exact order, and people loved it.
It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Pat Inherriance, we did the special listening party, did a
Yeah performance out there, and we did the record front
to back.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, it's definitely. It's a cool experience because also as a.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Fan, you're so used to those transitions listening to the
record over and over again, so you know the next song.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So another obvious question. I hate to always do the obvious,
because as you know, I never do obvious. But what
album would you guys want to hear start to finish
live from someone else? Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
That's great start to Finish live.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I'm going to stay on my Jim James kick, but
I would love to just hear Ze.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Front to back.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I know that they play songs from that record in
their live show, but I don't know if they've done
a front to back of that whole album.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I'm going to say Michael Kanuka's latest record, Small Changes
front to back in.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Order, very cool and I love that dude.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I do too. I think he's amazing, really cool guy too.
Oh I love hearing that. I'm not surprised, all.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, So wait, I have to ask you quickly because
I just didn't you not long ago with the CEO
of Summerfest. I know you guys are playing that. Have
you played it before? No? No, yeah, no, letting me out.
But I was like, I don't know. But I mean
it's just like, you know, it's a woman who took
over a year ago. It was her first you know,
like it's her first year there. So I was like,
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all right, that's really interesting because it's like the largest
festival in America.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I didn't realize that it pivoted over to female man either.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, she's a new CEO, took over a year ago.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I mean, we're stoked. We have never played this festival.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Our dad's always a dad.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Our dad knows nothing about festivals. And he was like,
he's been talking about Summerfest for years. He's like, it's
the biggest one. It's the biggest one one. You're gonna
be use it. And I said, Dad, we're booked. We're
playing Summerfest. We're going to Milwaukee. So we're really excited.
I mean, it's a huge show for us. We're also
playing Bonneroo this year, another great festival, so we're feeling
very blessed and it'll be cool to get us ready
and primed for the tour in the fall. It'll feel
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really good to play some June fests.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
By Wait, so is Dad going to Southwest?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
No? No, I know we told him.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I was like, Dad, you gotta come now.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I think he was like, you know, overwhelmed with the
idea of being so many people, and he's.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Not a huge traveler, and I think the festival then
kind of intimidates him. But maybe, you know, Dad, this
is your shout out, okay, and maybe it just has happened.
You need to make this happen and come out to Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, you know, it's funny because he's right, it's like
such a slice of Americana. That's why I did the story.
I was like, it's so different than anything else, you know. Yeah,
like in the Midwest. It's like a traditional festival that's
been there for years, right.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Right, right, Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I'd love to hear a little bit more on on
your process of putting together in the show and what
songs they're you're most excited to play. But you know,
the whole visual album, the whole set list, the visual
element and the set list element, like what's your your
process and working through that.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Transition from one song to the next.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
We're not really interested in like playing the song ending
there being you know, long pauses in between and then
starting another song. We really like the song how this
kind of fluid flow and that every once in a
while there'll be a you know, a stop within the
music and it's maybe a moment for us to have
a drink of water or talk to the crowd.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
But that's really been our major focus.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Is this this kind of weaving together, this tapestry of
music that feels like they are all transitioned into each other.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And it really always starts at the set list first.
I mean, that's always like the foundation is what songs
are we going to play from what record? How do
we hit every era because we have many and you know,
this year it's important that we honor the end of
the Rush album, So there's going to be a moment
in the set where we kind of break down and
play some songs from the first record because of the
twenty year anniversary. But you know, after the set list
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is kind of created and established with the band, lighting
usually takes place next, and then stage design and lay out.
You know, who's going to beware are there going to
be structural elements on stage? Do we just focus on lights?
You know that with Love From Tour was very much
about the light show. It was really important to us.
We work with this guy, Mark Janowitz, who's been working
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with my Morning Jacket for years, who were a huge
fan of who's really helped style the look of the
show when it comes to lighting and design, and he's
really talented, funny enough. We actually haven't we haven't had
design meetings yet for the Fall tour that's about to
start in May very soon, where we'll talk about lighting
and if we want to do anything structurally.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
That's so fascinating. Having so much music that you've written,
that you've put out, do you find like going back
to those songs that you know, I'm sure a lot
of them are really embedded in your memory and it's
just a matter of kind of getting into that right
mindset that yeah, you remember all of this material.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Specifically, like botally.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Sometimes the lyrics, you know, we'll have to be like
oh yeah, that's right, okay, and dess up on lyrics,
but like usually the harmonies and melodies of these are
so deeply ingrained, it's almost like we don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
How to to think of them any other way.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, so sometimes it can be a challenge to be like,
well we should we should think of a different harmony,
or maybe we sing that line just slightly different and
maybe update a little bit because that sounds like something
that our younger self would sing. So it is interesting
trying to kind of find that that perfect balance between
honoring these songs but then also giving it like a
little facelift, and you know, the band it's it's it's
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cool to see the band gravitate towards certain songs that
maybe they have no preconceived notion of, and then that
will kind of help re paint a new version to
us because the band is looking at it through like
fresh eyes. But yeah, there's like, I mean, there's a
lot of material now that we can go back to
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and and pull from, you know, when we when we
out of touch the beat. We obviously had the two
previous records, but we just had that album really, so
there wasn't nearly as much music now after you know,
having done another couple of albums and and the EPs
as well, on top of them. You know, there's now
quite a lot to be able to to really choose from.
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I mean, I think of the bands that have you know,
now made ten plus albums, and I'm just like wow,
trying to figure out a set list, it's wild. Yeah,
it's like how much do you do for yourself versus
how much for the fans? You know, you kind of
want to balance because you want to be able to
enjoy the show too, but you also know that your
fans want to maybe hear that one song that's their favorite.
So yeah, it's it's it's cool to uh to be
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a part of that process with our with their band,
with our musical director, with our creative director. It's you know,
it's it's it's a whole, it's a whole little tribe
that we that we work among.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So I'm gonna ask one last question, sneak it in,
But I love the fact that you shout out Toronto
on Michael. So what happened to Toronto?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So Michael was a dear friend for years and a
partner in the industry for us. He worked on our
team for almost twenty years and we you know, really
had to mourn the loss he passed of cancer two
years ago, and we heard about it when we were
on tour in Toronto about to play a show. So
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it's wild when you hear news like that about someone
that's so close in your life and you're about to
go on stage, and you're like, how do I process
this before I go on? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
How do we all stage tonight? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And so we decided that was such a visceral moment,
you know, on the tour, was finding out about his
passing that we were like, we have to mention this
in the song. So it just kind of naturally came
up in the verse.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
See. I love the fact that it is so honest
and so sorry. It's so early in l as, you know,
so vulnerable, you know, and I mean it's funny because
you know, I asked kind of lightheartedly, but it's actually
a really beautiful story.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Thank you, Thank you appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, it's one of our favorite songs on the album,
and it's one of the really the most personal because
of it being about, you know, someone that we were
so close to in our life, and we were able
to share the song with his wife and his daughter,
which just that really meant so much to us. And
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I know it means a lot to them to have
a song about someone that they love so deeply.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So it's so interesting to me because he was so
loved in the industry. You know, he was our business
manager for years and rapped a lot of people. And
there's actually another band that worked with him that referenced
him in a song and they decided to do it
after he passed, and I was like, that is so cool.
We're both doing that. We're honoring him with our music.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
They honored him with a like voice not before a song,
you know, kicks in on the album, or it's a voicemail,
a recording that he had left.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Anyway, it's beautiful that he's getting these little moments in
music right now. I think he'd be laughing, going, why
would you guys write a song about me? This is
so silly, and we'd be like, no, Michael, you deserve it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Well. Actually it's funny because I was like, that's a
down and and to wrap up on, But it ended
up being a really beautiful note to wrap up on.
So is there anything that you want to add that
I did not ask you about or that we did
not ask you about because we covered the show, I
think so.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
No, I don't think so. I mean your record's out,
you know, as you know, May second. We're really excited,
and tickets go on sale May ninth, so we'll be
touring in the fall and can't wait to get the
show up and out there. And maybe we'll see you
at Summerfest and.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, who knows.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
And we would love to have you guys both at
a show too, so obviously just reach out and we
can help you guys wait tickets.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, and well, while I'm still writing the four for
the cookbook, I mean, that's like a real idea.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
You are you are correct.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I really love that concept. I mean it's funny. I look,
I think back on Touch the Beat and with Love
from and I'm like, wow, we weren't really nourished at
offering those records at all. We were like, not not
on purpose, just ordering Postmates and Doordat.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
And kind of not not comforting good food.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Not cooking at all. And this record just brought, you know,
a whole different menu to the table. So it's really
cool you asked about that.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Cool, all right, You guys are always so great to
see you.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Thank you, Thanks, thanks age, thank you Bye by stage
thank you both. We appreciate us Nie
Hi, it's Steve Balton. Welcome to end service Ub. This
week stage Baba and I had joined by sisters Ali
and Aj. We had a wonderful conversation with them about
their brilliant new album, about how It's Banga Canyon, Oxdale, Stew,
pregnancy and much more influenced the album. Really enjoyed this conversation,
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enjoyed talking about their upcoming tour, about Summerfest in Milwaukee,
and so much more, and be sure to look out
for the upcoming cookbook. Thanks so much. Yeah, you know,
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it's so funny. I've still never made it a stage coach,
but this year I had, you know, I got approached
to do a story with it, and I was like,
I fuck it. If I'm gonna do something, it's gonna
be interesting. So I had Atlanta Springsteen interview Crystal Gail
and it kind of really we want to go.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
That's cool, that's very cool. That's a great interview to interview.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah. No, And it was funny because I don't know,
do you know Alana or did you have you ever
met her?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
No, we've never met her. I mean she's great. I
know she played this weekend and I wish we would
have seen her. The only act that we were able
to actually see live after our Wrangler event. I was
able to stay for Stirgil Simpson, who's like my favorite.
Oh so he was my number one. That was really
who I was here for. But honestly, i'd love to
see Alana live, and we've never seen Crystal Gale live,
so that would have been cool too.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well. It's so interesting because you know, normally when I
do these, it's like a moderated conversation, and Alana is
just a born interview where I'm like, fuck, did it
just put you to work? And I don't have to
do anything. I think that's awesome time.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
She was a pro. Yeah, you either got it or
you don't. She had the National Dinner.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
If you could interview one artist, who would you interview?
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I think Chris Martin.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, he would be a great interview, and I feel
like he would be super friendly and just warm and invited. Yeah,
like yeah he I mean, he's been doing this for
so long. I would say, yeah, Chris is a great one.
And I would add in Jim James.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Interesting, Okay, love that I.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Knew you were going to say that. Hey, Steve, I
just want to shout you out for that really cool
quote about places to run that meant a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
No, thank you. Yeah, well, okay, I figured we would
start there before we started talking stage coach. But the
natural starting question, who's your favorite face when you're sad?
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Hmm, I mean at this point Ali's son.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Yeah, honestly, he puts a smile on our face if
we're even just a little bit sad.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
If he wasn't even around when that line print.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Was written, that was like way that was pre me
even getting pregnant. Oh yeah, so maybe it's.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Uh, that is fascinating because and Sage was on this call.
I've been friends with James Bay for years. I fucking
love that dude, and he's one of the nicest people
in the world. And we were talking about the fact that,
you know, he made this whole record while his wife
was pregnant, but a lot of the songs he didn't
realize were about that until he went back and listened
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to them, because a lot of writing gets so conscious. Yes, So,
now that you think about it, do you think that
line was written for him like prophetically?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Oh, kind of permpletely.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
And what's interesting is that line and that song specifically
I think kind of deals with just going through like
a hard time, like mentally, where you're just not feeling
like yourself and feeling balanced, and knowing that there's this
place that you can kind of run to, you know,
this this person that that you can seek refuge in.
(03:36):
It's just interesting, Yeah, that that we were, I think
speaking about him, not even knowing that he was soon
to exist.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, and I think that lyric, I mean it represents
quite a few faces for me. You know, it's like,
it's Ali, It's it's my partner, it's our best friend, Raymond.
Like we definitely are blessed with a circle of people
where that that line represents quite a few faces. But
it's not everyone, you know, it's you. It really didn't
really matter, and it's really been a part of our
lives for years.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What It's really funny because I think the reason I
gravitated to it so much, I mean, a it's just
a great line and it makes you think. And I
love songs that make you think. At this point, I
don't know if you know ton Day how to beat
them from TV on the radio. Oh yeah, yeah, his
new album. It's really interesting. There's a song on there
called God knows, which you would think would be like
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God only knows, except for the opposite. It's literally the
line is God knows, You're the worst thing I've ever loved.
But you know what's interesting, that's funny. When he presented
the song on Instagram, he asked the question, what's the
worst thing you ever loved? And well, think about them
for a second, because he and I got into a
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conversation on it, and it is a shockingly deep question
because when we start to think about it, as he
and I talked about, you have to think about first
what is you've actually loved. There's very few things. And
then both of us when we talk about it, we're like, now,
there's nothing. Neither one of us ever regret anything we
ever loved. We never got addicted to drugs, never were alcoholics,
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you know. So, But it's interesting because I just gravitating
now to songs that make you think.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, and love is such a deep meaning, Like I
think we use it kind of frivolously sometimes, like oh
I love that. It's like we use it so casually, right,
It's like do you.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Actually really love it or do you just enjoy it
and like it?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, yeah, interesting well, I don't want to hug the
whole conversations. Let's say shack over for a second.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
So that's a gorgeous album.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
He really loved the title. Really makes you think too.
I mean, you know, lyrics, of course are so important
to be openers of different ideas, but like titles are
perhaps like the most important too to put that all together.
And it's really interesting to hear you guys talk about
how you came upon that title, and I was curious,
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what what other things that you felt were delivered both
to your knowledge of yourselves as partners in music and
you know, in life, and what else you've learned through
the process of making the record.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, I mean I think that this, this whole season
of music making between Age and I and our collaborators,
was this just deliverance into a new chapter of our lives,
a new chapter as a mom, as an aunt, as sisters,
really kind of rooting ourselves even deeper in the ground
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in our sound, and I think further exploring kind of
the chances that we were taking with with with love
from when we made that record and just diving deeper
into that and being more secure and more sure of
the choices we were making, And I think part of
that was working with a producer like Jonathan Wilson, who
is so seasoned as not only a musician, but as
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a producer and a nariata as an artist himself.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He has such a warm, lovely.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Energy and personality in the studio that is so easy
going and relaxing to be around. I think it only
made Agent I'm more comfortable in making the choices we did.
And the fact that you know, my son was only
literally eight days old when we brought him to the
studio to finish the recording of that album. He was
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so open to that. I mean, it's not like he
had a baby in the studio in the past. So
the fact that he was down and was holding Jack
sometimes while I was cutting vocals and then cooking like
a beautiful homemade stew from the Topega Canyon, you know,
country mark down the street to nourish ourselves, and then
going back and cutting some drums. I mean, it was
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just this beautiful, just this this beautiful existence into peg
A Canyon that we were a part of for for
a month.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, I'll truly never forget it. It's kind of wild
because I want to go back me too so bad
to that exact moment we will for record number eight.
It is wild that this is our seventh studio album,
full length studio album, And if I think back, I
loved every part of album making, like songwriting, production, working
with different musicians, getting an idea in the studio and
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it's sparking another idea. I mean, it really is a
magical event when you make a record, but this one
is so poignant and different because of life and birth
and a little child being born throughout this album process.
It's wild. So for me, you know, we lived into
Panga as a family for a month to cut this
album so that we could be down the street from
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Jonathan's house, and it was just really cool to live
as a family with this newborn.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It was me and my partner Ali and her husband
every night, home cooked meal, just enjoying music making, meeting
musicians at these great Topanga gatherings, people like Buck Meek.
I mean, it was really just a special time and
a time where it felt like Topanga is what it was,
you know. It's like it was such a music community
back in the day, and it actually she still is.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It still has that I think the search it out
in in need for a sense of community, and there's
not a lot of that left left in La but
Tapanga definitely holds that for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's still there.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I love the integration of of how your environment showed
up for you in the record, and I also love
the thought deliverer deliverance. It's a form of service and
music can be the vessel for that so poignantly. Something
we like to talk about is service. And since you
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were in such this this beautiful world of family and
music making, I'm curious how that words service and music
through service means to you and if that's changed at
all in the past couple months.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, I think that's only elevated for us and grown.
I mean, you know, it is a service business. We're
not only serving ourselves creatively, but we're serving our fan
like we have the most special fans. I really cannot
like get enough of them. It's it's wild. They're like
great people, like salt of the earth, human beings, and
I do think that's a reflection of the music we're
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making and who Ally and I are, which I think
is beautiful. But it's also kudos to them like, these
are great people. You just want to listen to good
music and have fun and be around good.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And makes them feel connected and maybe it heals them
from their life or traumas that they've gone through exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, even having this intimate listening party throughout the
weekend at the Desert, you know, around Stagecoach, we had
this really beautiful Silver Deliver activation where we hung out
with fans for like three hours and just talked about
the record and played it on vinyl and it was
just so sweet. A lot of them, some of them
we hadn't met ever before, some had flown in, some
we had known. But it's always just really lovely to
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me and never surprising because at this point I'm used
to it, but I never take advantage of how special
are fans of so it is it's a service for them.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Yeah, courrectly.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You know, it's really interesting though, No, I saw a
lot of your stories and shoot, people look like they
were having a great time. But you know, it's funny.
I did a story for the La Times. It's running
on Wednesday on somehow randomly, partly due to Stage I've
become the La Times Jazz Guy, which is a fucking
blast cool.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, it's really fun. But I did a story that's
running on Wednesday on new artists who you know, like
to watch in that field, who are either jazz or
jazz adjacent, and you know, it's interesting because the running
theme was the idea of slowing down. And there was
the youngest guy in the articles, like twenty one years old.
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His name is Aaron, and he specifically talked about the
need to slow down and take you back to simpler times.
And it really feels like there's a like large scale
movement for people, and I think it started even before
the administration of people just tired of technology and tired
of the pace. And do you feel like those fans
are gravitating to you so much? Because there is such
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a lead back vibe, there's such a comfortable feel, like,
you know, there's a very seventy sound to this record,
and people gravitate to the fact that they're, like, dude,
there's burns.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I think a lot of.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Our world can be super overstimulated, and I also think
that music can sometimes be overstimulating at times too, and
I think that this music doesn't do that. I think
it makes you tap into yourself and makes you kind
of sit back and think. And I do believe that
we are gravitating towards those things because it's not sustainable
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to continue in this kind of fast paced world. So
it'll be interesting to see I think the pendulum swing
to a generation of kids that are kind of not
embracing technology as heavily as our generation did.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
I think that will for sure happen too.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It's going to be wild to see, like Ali's Sun
grow up and be like, gosh, this social media stuff
is actually like quite nerdy, Like it always flips like
they're gonna look at it like this was what our
parents were in.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, and then all of a sudden they're like embracing
the dumb phone, you know, and that's like yeah again,
which I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
That's that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
And then it'll swing again, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah. I think being out in nature, reading, you know,
partaking in.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Museums and going to films and screenings. I think all
those things like those are so important to us as
a as a community and as a way to connect
with with ourselves and the people that we care about.
So I hope that that that finds people more than
ever right now.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, well, certainly it seems to be musically, but I
think also people are just in response to like, you know,
I was joking about it with someone the other day,
and it's like you think about you know, like for example,
Woody Yell and Andy Hall. Right, did you guys see
that movie? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, at the end of the
movie when he's like, well, I did write into you
know her one more time the screening, which I thought
was you know, which I took as a whorl of victory,
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and then it's like, well, now it's like there's no mystery.
It's like, well I stopped her Instagram and I found
her on the corner of you know, and it's like, dude,
all of that chance gone. Yes, tired of it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, even dating apps have kind of ruined the mystery
of meeting someone.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Oh that's a whole other discussion. But you know where
I want to go back to something you're talking about
the steal, because this is just one of my favorite
fun questions. So Billy Corgan, who I love, I've got
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I've known him for years. He did an interview with
Zane Lowe where Zaane asked him about the success of
the pumpkins in the nineties, and if you know Billy,
he's really a sarcastic ashole. I love it. We get
along great, but you know, so Billy was like, well
it was the right water, the right chicken palm, like
just you know, joking about it. So it became a
running joke between us. The food that fuels a record.
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So what you know, we talked about like what food
fueled Velvet Underground? What food fuel led Zeppelin? So obvious question.
What food fueled this record?
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Oxtail steck, oxtail stew man, that was this, that was
the stew And it's funny because it so nourishing for
someone who just for someone who just had, you know,
who just gave burst.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
There's this book. There's two books.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Actually the there's The First forty Days, which is the
first forty days postpartum, and then there's Nine Golden Months
and it's and I forget the author, but if you
look it up online her name will pop up. But
she she made these two beautiful cookbooks about really like
what the mother should be eating pre pregnancy and post
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and so my husband brought the book out and him
and Jonathan and Steven's boy AJ's boyfriend all cooked from
it and it was just beautiful and a lot of
it was was stew and specifically oxtail stew.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
A lot of like.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Warm warm you know, high uh, just like super rotein,
high protein food is really great.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
So that was that was something that we ate a
lot and.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Then kind of how we should be eating anyway anyways,
and then we had a lot of I don't know
if it's something that like everybody knows about, but that's
bitchen sauce. Oh, Jonathan's a big fan of bitchin sauce,
which is this, like it's this so it's like a hummus.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
It's kind of a hummus salsa.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I don't Yeah, it's incredible and you just have it
with like it's like chips and salsa.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
But it is so good.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
And it was at that Topanga Canyon, Yeah gourmet, and
so we had that like pretty much every other day.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
And then what fueled me, which I've I've now mentioned
in another publication I think, which is kind of funny
that's coming up, is the frozen yogurt in.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a shop.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
To Panga Country Mark. What's it actually called to Panga Gourmet.
That's a Canyon Gormanion Gourmet. There's a shop called Canyon
Gourmet and to Panga that serves a soft serf. That
is the best sauce serve I've ever had. And that
was my true It was so hot when we were
recording that, that was my treat. Like I would go
over there after lunch and be like, I'm getting a
frozen yogurt and coming back to the studio. So honestly,
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hardy stews and some great frozen yogurt.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That's so interesting when you go back and listen to
this record. First of all, no one has ever in
the history of this question answered oxtaiale steal. I've never
known anyone. If you can eating it, I trust your
your judgment that it was good.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
But that's a great question.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Do you hear oxtail steal or frozen yogurt this record?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Because different, they're very, very different. Frozen yogurt was just
more of the dessert, you know, it was just more
the every now and then snack. I mean I really
hear the stew. Yeah, it's a hardy album.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Frozen yogurt is maybe a little bit like Dandy Lyons.
You know, it's a little more summary summary. It's like
you're licking your you know, phone hone and you're happy
and the wind is blowing and it's sunny.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm more hearing stew, but across most of it, Yeah,
it's a hardy album.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Hmmm. Where do you hear this the strongest?
Speaker 6 (17:58):
Well?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
I hear deliver, Silver Deliver. I hear it in the
guitar changes. I hear it in the drums like blows.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's not an aggressive album, but it's a very like
rock forward record. And there's something about like eating a
warm bowl of stew that I'm like, there's something very
comforting about this album. Yeah, that I feel like represents
that the kitchen we were.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
It's comforting.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But it's also like oxtail Stew is a little niche,
like it's not that's not maybe for everybody, which is
also okay, Like it's like, if you want to get
in and and be gourmet and and try the the
oxtail stew, listen to the rest and listen to this record,
you're you're gonna appreciate it, But it's not necessarily maybe
for everybody. I think it's one of those records where
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if you listen to it, I think I think a
couple times over you'll be like, oh yeah, I'm understanding.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
I find that sometimes with bands that I love, specifically
The National I'm going to use them as an example.
I always feel like I need to listen to their
records like a handful of times before I'm like fully in.
I don't know why that is, but I think that's
actually really cool. It's like a record that you need
to listen to a few times over to really begin
to appreciate, as opposed to first off listen and you
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just get it right away. Way, It's like it needs
to sit with you and marinate a bit, which I
actually think.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Is rat It's for gourmet listeners.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Gourmet listeners.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Interesting, Okay, you should, guys, should be a cookbook with
the album.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's actually a great idea, actually a freaking great idea.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Steve, all right, well, you can just make me exactly
a producer.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Perfect, okay, great, great, we'll shut you out. You can
write the forward.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Sure, I don't know anything about ox still super You're
not going to be I feel, you know, it's very
strong and something really fascinating about music making and hearing
people talk about it. I think is hearing those songs
that just kind of came to you in a moment
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and hearing those stories behind it. Was there any songs
in particular that that feels really resonant about.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
I mean, I think Sirens, Yeah, was the song. You
know that.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
Obviously, the subject matter of the song is very heavy
because of it being about a personal experience that we
went through. You know, we both along with our band
and crew, survived in mass shooting in twenty twenty two
when we played our first show of the tour and
we had another you know, catch of.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
The beach tour.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, we had another thirty plus shows to play, and
we always felt like it was important that we write
about that experience because of this you know, epidemic that
we're experiencing with gun violence, and we became more and
more outspoken about it, partnering with organizations and just being
really proactive online.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
When we set out to write the song, we went
to a collaborator that we really trusted and felt could
really help us delicately tell the story. But you know,
that song, for instance, is a song that we worked
on for quite some time just because of its subject
matter and wanting to really make sure that we got
it right, whereas other songs, you know, we wrote and
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it was just done, you know, songs like Lasso, songs
like what it feels like pretty quick, pretty quick, And
it's just interesting the songs that sometimes need more time
and the songs that just kind of happen in one
session and you're just like, that was it, that was
that was all we needed. And sometimes, you know, you
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might tweak a lyric here and there, but it's always
very interesting to see the songs that come out of
the session and just like where your headspace is in
those sessions. You know, sometimes you come in and you're
like stressed from your daily life or whatever it might be.
You're feeling like, gosh, I really hope we get a
great song today, you know, and then you don't, or
you do and you're pleasantly surprised. It's there's really no
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rhyme or reason. It's it's really wild. Each time it's different.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Yeah, I mean, the that makes a lot of sense.
Integrating such important matters, taking your time, and I love
how much you've spoken about the importance of community for
this record, and you know, I think that's one of
the bigger shifts that we're seeing, is people's real need
and understanding that we need that connection to nature and
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to community. Can you talk about how now, with sharing
this record with the world, you know something that maybe
you'd love your fans to know, or something that you've
shared during the listening session, just you know, as this
new music reaches your very vast, amazing community around the world.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Well, I think you know, we've been able to reach
I think so many fans because we've been doing this
for so long, which is beautiful. But my favorite way
to really integrate record making to the fan is live stage.
Like for me, it's just all about being on tour
so our connection. Yes, it lies in the music for sure,
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but beyond that, when we're on the road, being able
to sing these songs live for our fans is the
best way we can connect to them, hands down. And
it is like a circle, like we get so much
from them, they get so much from us, and it's
just this energetic circle that just kind of keeps going
for two hours while you're on stage, and it's really
hard to come down from. Like I mean, you guys
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have probably heard this from many people with past interviews.
It lives with you for the whole night. I mean,
it's really hard to get off that buzz. And part
of me feels like this is why Aliy and I
never ever ended up doing drugs, because I'm like, I
feel like the live shown high. I mean, there's a
lot of people that end up doing drugs and go
on tour, but I'm like, wow, how do you do that?
(23:50):
The drug is the tour. I mean I am literally
high every night on that stage, just off the fans.
It's wild and just.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
A go like backstage camaraderie that you have with your
band and crew and the dinners.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
That you go out to, or the day off that
you have, like all of.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
That is like fueling you, which is why it's also
sometimes hard to come down and come off tour. I
actually understand the addiction in a way to being out
on the road and some of these guys that are
just road dogs and have been for years.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Yeah, it actually makes sense totally. I don't know if
that fully answered your question, but it was just on
my heart to.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Talk about, I mean, and maybe to add to what
AJ was saying.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know, I think.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
You know, the the live show obviously is and has been,
you know, especially since coming back to music again, has
been our main focus. And you know, again like we
are an independent act, so you know, really all the
choices that we're making are our choices that that we're
carrying a large part of the financial load as well
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with and so it's always it's always been this kind
of push and pull between giving the fans this this
great show that we feel really really proud of that
also you know, makes sense for us financially as a band.
So you know, to us, we want to just level
up every single tour each each time that the visuals
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get better and that the song selection gets better and
the set list is tighter and the transitions or are
just really strong and fluid.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
You know, we have an even larger band this time
that we're bringing out on the road with us.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
There's now six of us up on stage, including AG
and I, which I think is going to sound sonically
just really full and amazing. And we're also pulling in,
you know, some songs from Into the Rush. Given that
it's a twenty year anniversary, we want to play some
of those songs in the set more than we have
in the past, usually we only play like one or two.
But you know, this year, we felt like this is
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our moment to really celebrate this record with the fans.
So we're really just looking forward to, yeah, playing these
shows and singing these songs with people. I mean, this
album specifically, to me, is so meant to be played
in a live setting, especially with these these long solos.
It just it just feels like, yeah, like a record
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that should be listened to out out in nature, you know,
under the stars, under the trees.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
So would you ever do it start to finish the.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Record like live?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, unfortunately it's not quite a long
enough set if we just did that. I mean, I think, yes,
the order of the album is always really important, and
we don't always we don't always honor that live. I mean,
we've done a tour before where we played a couple
shows where we played the album front to back live.
It's tricky because when you want to play a bunch
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of old music as well, it's fun to weave old
and new together, so you don't want to just commit
to the track listing of the most recent album. But honestly,
I love that idea. I more take that for like
an album listening event when the album comes out special
release or special release. But we did it. We did
it for Into the Rush. You know. We've got a
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really special re record of the End of the Rush
album coming out Front to Back. It's the twenty year
anniversary this year, so that's coming out in August, so
that'll be a really cool, a cool listening event for fans.
But yeah, this record, we're going to try to play
all the new songs. It just won't be the exact order,
and it'll be along a long side. It'll be at
least two hours plus, you know whatever. It is crazy
(27:27):
to me though, that's most artists, us included, don't just
yeah play it, yeah, yeah, front to back. But it
doesn't always work.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
But I do love that.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, well, I always enjoy that experience, you know. Particularly
what happens when you see an artists do that is
they do it, start to finish and they do a
second set. That's he does something different.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Sure, yeah, and we've done that before. It's funny. We
did this show in dis Planes where we played the
album that was currently out front to back in order,
and then the End of the Rush album front to
back in the in that exact order, and people loved it.
It was really fun.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Pat Inherriance, we did the special listening party, did a
Yeah performance out there, and we did the record front
to back.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah, it's definitely. It's a cool experience because also as a.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Fan, you're so used to those transitions listening to the
record over and over again, so you know the next song.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So another obvious question. I hate to always do the obvious,
because as you know, I never do obvious. But what
album would you guys want to hear start to finish
live from someone else? Oh?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
That's great start to Finish live.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I'm going to stay on my Jim James kick, but
I would love to just hear Ze.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Front to back.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I know that they play songs from that record in
their live show, but I don't know if they've done
a front to back of that whole album.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I'm going to say Michael Kanuka's latest record, Small Changes
front to back in.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Order, very cool and I love that dude.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
I do too. I think he's amazing, really cool guy too.
Oh I love hearing that. I'm not surprised, all.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Right, So wait, I have to ask you quickly because
I just didn't you not long ago with the CEO
of Summerfest. I know you guys are playing that. Have
you played it before? No? No, yeah, no, letting me out.
But I was like, I don't know. But I mean
it's just like, you know, it's a woman who took
over a year ago. It was her first you know,
like it's her first year there. So I was like,
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all right, that's really interesting because it's like the largest
festival in America.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I didn't realize that it pivoted over to female man either.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, she's a new CEO, took over a year ago.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I mean, we're stoked. We have never played this festival.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Our dad's always a dad.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Our dad knows nothing about festivals. And he was like,
he's been talking about Summerfest for years. He's like, it's
the biggest one. It's the biggest one one. You're gonna
be use it. And I said, Dad, we're booked. We're
playing Summerfest. We're going to Milwaukee. So we're really excited.
I mean, it's a huge show for us. We're also
playing Bonneroo this year, another great festival, so we're feeling
very blessed and it'll be cool to get us ready
and primed for the tour in the fall. It'll feel
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really good to play some June fests.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
By Wait, so is Dad going to Southwest?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
No? No, I know we told him.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
I was like, Dad, you gotta come now.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I think he was like, you know, overwhelmed with the
idea of being so many people, and he's.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Not a huge traveler, and I think the festival then
kind of intimidates him. But maybe, you know, Dad, this
is your shout out, okay, and maybe it just has happened.
You need to make this happen and come out to Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, you know, it's funny because he's right, it's like
such a slice of Americana. That's why I did the story.
I was like, it's so different than anything else, you know. Yeah,
like in the Midwest. It's like a traditional festival that's
been there for years, right.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Right, right, Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
I'd love to hear a little bit more on on
your process of putting together in the show and what
songs they're you're most excited to play. But you know,
the whole visual album, the whole set list, the visual
element and the set list element, like what's your your
process and working through that.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Transition from one song to the next.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
We're not really interested in like playing the song ending
there being you know, long pauses in between and then
starting another song. We really like the song how this
kind of fluid flow and that every once in a
while there'll be a you know, a stop within the
music and it's maybe a moment for us to have
a drink of water or talk to the crowd.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
But that's really been our major focus.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Is this this kind of weaving together, this tapestry of
music that feels like they are all transitioned into each other.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And it really always starts at the set list first.
I mean, that's always like the foundation is what songs
are we going to play from what record? How do
we hit every era because we have many and you know,
this year it's important that we honor the end of
the Rush album, So there's going to be a moment
in the set where we kind of break down and
play some songs from the first record because of the
twenty year anniversary. But you know, after the set list
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is kind of created and established with the band, lighting
usually takes place next, and then stage design and lay out.
You know, who's going to beware are there going to
be structural elements on stage? Do we just focus on lights?
You know that with Love From Tour was very much
about the light show. It was really important to us.
We work with this guy, Mark Janowitz, who's been working
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with my Morning Jacket for years, who were a huge
fan of who's really helped style the look of the
show when it comes to lighting and design, and he's
really talented, funny enough. We actually haven't we haven't had
design meetings yet for the Fall tour that's about to
start in May very soon, where we'll talk about lighting
and if we want to do anything structurally.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
That's so fascinating. Having so much music that you've written,
that you've put out, do you find like going back
to those songs that you know, I'm sure a lot
of them are really embedded in your memory and it's
just a matter of kind of getting into that right
mindset that yeah, you remember all of this material.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Specifically, like botally.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Sometimes the lyrics, you know, we'll have to be like
oh yeah, that's right, okay, and dess up on lyrics,
but like usually the harmonies and melodies of these are
so deeply ingrained, it's almost like we don't know.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
How to to think of them any other way.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, so sometimes it can be a challenge to be like,
well we should we should think of a different harmony,
or maybe we sing that line just slightly different and
maybe update a little bit because that sounds like something
that our younger self would sing. So it is interesting
trying to kind of find that that perfect balance between
honoring these songs but then also giving it like a
little facelift, and you know, the band it's it's it's
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cool to see the band gravitate towards certain songs that
maybe they have no preconceived notion of, and then that
will kind of help re paint a new version to
us because the band is looking at it through like
fresh eyes. But yeah, there's like, I mean, there's a
lot of material now that we can go back to
(33:57):
and and pull from, you know, when we when we
out of touch the beat. We obviously had the two
previous records, but we just had that album really, so
there wasn't nearly as much music now after you know,
having done another couple of albums and and the EPs
as well, on top of them. You know, there's now
quite a lot to be able to to really choose from.
(34:18):
I mean, I think of the bands that have you know,
now made ten plus albums, and I'm just like wow,
trying to figure out a set list, it's wild. Yeah,
it's like how much do you do for yourself versus
how much for the fans? You know, you kind of
want to balance because you want to be able to
enjoy the show too, but you also know that your
fans want to maybe hear that one song that's their favorite.
So yeah, it's it's it's cool to uh to be
(34:40):
a part of that process with our with their band,
with our musical director, with our creative director. It's you know,
it's it's it's a whole, it's a whole little tribe
that we that we work among.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So I'm gonna ask one last question, sneak it in,
But I love the fact that you shout out Toronto
on Michael. So what happened to Toronto?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
So Michael was a dear friend for years and a
partner in the industry for us. He worked on our
team for almost twenty years and we you know, really
had to mourn the loss he passed of cancer two
years ago, and we heard about it when we were
on tour in Toronto about to play a show. So
(35:22):
it's wild when you hear news like that about someone
that's so close in your life and you're about to
go on stage, and you're like, how do I process
this before I go on? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
How do we all stage tonight? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
And so we decided that was such a visceral moment,
you know, on the tour, was finding out about his
passing that we were like, we have to mention this
in the song. So it just kind of naturally came
up in the verse.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
See. I love the fact that it is so honest
and so sorry. It's so early in l as, you know,
so vulnerable, you know, and I mean it's funny because
you know, I asked kind of lightheartedly, but it's actually
a really beautiful story.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Thank you, Thank you appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, it's one of our favorite songs on the album,
and it's one of the really the most personal because
of it being about, you know, someone that we were
so close to in our life, and we were able
to share the song with his wife and his daughter,
which just that really meant so much to us. And
(36:22):
I know it means a lot to them to have
a song about someone that they love so deeply.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
So it's so interesting to me because he was so
loved in the industry. You know, he was our business
manager for years and rapped a lot of people. And
there's actually another band that worked with him that referenced
him in a song and they decided to do it
after he passed, and I was like, that is so cool.
We're both doing that. We're honoring him with our music.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
They honored him with a like voice not before a song,
you know, kicks in on the album, or it's a voicemail,
a recording that he had left.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Anyway, it's beautiful that he's getting these little moments in
music right now. I think he'd be laughing, going, why
would you guys write a song about me? This is
so silly, and we'd be like, no, Michael, you deserve it.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Well. Actually it's funny because I was like, that's a
down and and to wrap up on, But it ended
up being a really beautiful note to wrap up on.
So is there anything that you want to add that
I did not ask you about or that we did
not ask you about because we covered the show, I
think so.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
No, I don't think so. I mean your record's out,
you know, as you know, May second. We're really excited,
and tickets go on sale May ninth, so we'll be
touring in the fall and can't wait to get the
show up and out there. And maybe we'll see you
at Summerfest and.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, who knows.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
And we would love to have you guys both at
a show too, so obviously just reach out and we
can help you guys wait tickets.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, and well, while I'm still writing the four for
the cookbook, I mean, that's like a real idea.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
You are you are correct.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I really love that concept. I mean it's funny. I look,
I think back on Touch the Beat and with Love
from and I'm like, wow, we weren't really nourished at
offering those records at all. We were like, not not
on purpose, just ordering Postmates and Doordat.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
And kind of not not comforting good food.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Not cooking at all. And this record just brought, you know,
a whole different menu to the table. So it's really
cool you asked about that.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Cool, all right, You guys are always so great to
see you.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Thank you, Thanks, thanks age, thank you Bye by stage
thank you both. We appreciate us Nie
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