January 1, 2025 • 31 mins
Grammy winning rapper/Detroit superstar Big Sean joins Steve Baltin on this week's episode to talk about Detroit sports, his new album, highlights of his career -- including recording with Stevie Wonder and hanging with Eminem --and of course giving back.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, this Seatbalt and the Welcome to another episode of
In Service Hub. This week, I have a really wonderful
conversation with rapper Big Sean talking about Detroit sports, hanging
out with Eminem, giving back of course, and so much more.
Hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as I did.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I saw you played Iheartbat and it's funny. I was
just taking in this morning with John Sichs as a
good friend and he said it was the best one.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yet for you all.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
As a highlight, I heard you say, you make it
like even Vegas even more, which is fucking hard to do. Dude.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm not gonna lie, but I was born there, so
I can say that.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah. Yeah, man.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
You know, Vegas is a wild place and you can leave.
You can leave Vegas. It's like not fucking with Vegas.
Having such a crazy time there. Like you know, there's
been times where I lost a lot of money in Vegas,
gambling too much and just all sorts of just wild
times in Vegas. But that was such a beautiful time.
It was like it made me by the way, Vegas
(01:16):
has been amazing to me. So I love Vegas. They
always like been receptive to me, but it was just
it was nice to fill.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
All that love and.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
You know, run through the catalog and just perform for everybody. Man,
I had a great time out there, and my dad
was with me too, Like, my dad is a real
og when it comes to this shit. So he's like
very like much so just like enjoying the vibes. You know,
he's rocking a crazy outfit. You know, he's just he's
just it's cool to see him and have him living
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living through me, you know what I mean. And as
the father myself, I understand that more now.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, Well, two things I want to ask you about them.
On one of the album is amazing and it's interesting
because one thing first of all about Iheartfest is it
covers so many genres. So for you, were there are
people you were particularly excited to see or to meet?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I was like excited to Chris
Martin is like one of my good friends. Like he's
actually been in my crib playing on the piano and
vibing out, So it was nice seeing him do his
thing solo.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And then he's one of the greatest performers ever too.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
By the way, Flavor Flavor is also a good friend
of mine, and a lot of people don't know if flavor.
Flavor is like classically trained in piano and is a
very amazing vocalist as well. But he's just such a
great personality and good energy. So it's always good seeing
him and he's someone I respect so much. And who
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else was great? I was there that I liked seeing.
Oh yeah those are cat too. I got caught up
with her and she's awesome. You know, it was cool
seeing a lot of people. I saw Halsey for a
little bit. I saw a lot of which I collaborated
with her a while ago.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But it was good. It was good just seeing everybody
doing their thing. Man.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You know Aj from the Backstreet Boys, Well, actually I
got to kick it with him as well.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
He was there at we.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Chopped it up and that was actually I met the
Backstreet Boys previous to that, so it was cool seeing
him again too.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah they're cool guys.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And the other thing that's interesting about this type of
the event is right, look, man, you headline all over
the world. I was quite interesting talking with artists. They
kind of enjoy when you were playing to an audience
that's lots of different fans. It's kind of takes you
back to the beginning, and it's a fun challenge because
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you get to prove it to a different audience. And
so when you're playing to fans of all, like you know,
there's classic rock people all that. Also, you're really good
test for like the new material, so whether there's stuff
you really enjoyed playing there and that really the response
was great.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, I enjoy playing all the new songs like
it is what it is with me and Gunna and
who you are Superstar and especially on up with my son,
Like I really feel like that people may have not
had heard that, but we're like very like open to it,
and like, you know, it all is infectious to me.
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So anytime I get a chance to display the music
and like perform, you know, I love performing, so it's
like a passion of mine. So I'm like passionate up
there and just having fun. So I love sharing that
with people who are there to see me, and also
people who aren't there to see me, because it's just opportunity,
you know, for them to get familiar and introduce to
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my music.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, totally, I've talked to a lot of artists like
that and they kind of enjoyed the challenge because it's like, look, man,
when it's your fans, you can go up do whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But it takes you back.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yeah, and it's not even to me, it's not even
a challenge. It's just uh, it's just it's just it
is what it is.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
It's like it's just a fun it's actually fun too.
But yeah, nothing beats, Like, yeah, nothing beats playing for
the people who came and paid to see you and
you've given them what they came for.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
That's like, that is definitely the best.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
That's but playing for people who don't who didn't expect
you to be who you are and like at least
like have a better understanding of you and are introduced
to you, that's that's awesome as well.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Nice you know. Also, I want to touch on I
know you spoke at the fourth Summit.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's interesting what you were saying about mental health, and
I think that's really cool and very valuable and you know,
but it's very interesting because I've talked about this with
a lot of people because especially now you commit to music,
you know, you start when you're so young. At some
point it makes sense because you continue to evolve that
you have to decide, Okay, this is still what I
(06:08):
want to do. What you want to do when you're
sixteen may not be what you want to do when
you're thirty and have a kid.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Was there a point in the last few years where
you said, Okay, this is still what I want to do,
this is still who I am.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, you always go through You're like everyone as seems,
goes through moments where they question their profession or how
their life is going. But for me, I never questioned
it because it's been all I ever wanted since I
was a little little boy, and it has taken me
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around the world, and I've had such an amazing success,
you know, for over a decade and like sold over
like one hundred and eighty five million records or one
hundred and ninety million records at this point, and like,
you know, it's been a blessing.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Man.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
It could have went either way at any time, and
I'm very grateful to collaborate it with every single person
I've ever wanted to work with on the rap side
of things, unless except for them, you know, unless they're dead,
which is like, you know, I never really.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Got to officially collab with Jay Dilla. I never officially
got to collab with like.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
A lot of a lot of people in that in
that sense, but man, I've had studio sessions with Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I'm like, I've you know.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Sat with Eminem eating pizza talking about South Park and
writing raps, and been with Kanye working on some of
my favorite albums of all time that he's done, and
you know, been in the studio with jay Z and
all these people. Man, It's just like, I've like lived
such an amazing, incredible life that I've do music forever
(08:01):
because my perspective keeps growing. You know, if I don't
have anything to talk about, I wouldn't. But I don't
feel like I feel like my real purpose, though, is
beyond is to like inspire and to like, I have
such an amazing story to me, at least, like a
rap fairy tale story. You know, you get to rap
for your idol, you come from a city like Detroit,
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blah blah blah, And I was like, I was also
the first rapper to perform at the White House. There's
just a lot of make cool things that I've gotten
a chance to do in my life.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And you know, it goes beyond music to me.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
You know, it's like a it's like a lot of
the gyms that I've acquired and a lot of the
information I've acquired from being in these rooms with all
these masters and not just music, but like I said,
like with Deepak Chopra or Sad Guru or all of
these like people that I've had one on one time
and learned so much from even Kobe Bryant just having
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a couple interact actions and talking to him and just
picking these great minds. It's like, I think my purpose
is to it's bigger than just to like wrap. I
think it's more like to pass on this information. That
was part of the why I wanted to write a
book as well. And that's that's what took so long
in between this my album before and this album is
(09:20):
because I actually wrote a book as well, which is
Go Higher, and it kind of talks about like all
of these moments and things to just kind of like
operate at your highest self of like give me the
best advantage of like you know, being on a pursuit
of happiness and like actually seeing it come to fruition.
But yeah, I think it's like, I think rap is
the great outlet for me to share my gift, but
(09:44):
I think that that's not the only outlet that I have,
So I want to explore more of those outlets.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
You know, did the book come out?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, no, no, no, it didn't come out yet.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
It comes out January twenty first, January twenty but you
can preorder it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You can preorder it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
No, no, yeah, Well, you know, for me as a writer,
I love the fact that you did that. What's always
so interesting is, look, I've I've known so many writers
that when you write, there are so many things that
come out you haven't thought about, or so many things
that you remember or learn.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So what were some of the biggest lessons you learned
in writing the book?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
M Because you know, take it back to thinking about
things when you were five years old that you ever
thought about it.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
It's then.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
One of the biggest lessons I learned writing a book
is that it takes a long time to write a book,
sometimes like the book I was trying to write. That
was kind of the lesson I learned. It wasn't really
a lesson about myself. It was actually a lesson on
how to write a book and what all it takes
and the dedication and time that it takes.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You gotta have a lot of patients.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Read a book you do. You gotta have a lot
of patients. It's not easy. And it's not like it's
like anything that's a project. You know, It like takes time,
it requires like you know, you could hit you could
hit writer's block, you could hit life comes up in
the way, but you have to put things off. It's
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like it's not and then you could take the time
out for it and still not come up with anything.
It's quite a it's quite a lesson of alignment of
how important it is to when you're doing something to
be aligned as you possibly can so that information and
those emotions and those feelings can all be streamlined properly.
And realize that it's way bigger than you. You know,
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this is like, this is not just about you, you know,
And that's that's I guess that's what I learned about
about writing.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Not so I can't wait to read it. It's so
much fun to deal but it is so much work.
But I love the fact to you that you talked
about your purpose in giving back and you said that
to inspire and it's really interesting because I've talked about
this with a lot of artists as well, especially you know,
being an electioneer, and there's a lot of need for hope,
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and I remember, the world is just freaking crazy as always,
so for you talk about the importance of giving back
and how you do that and how it inspires your
work though as well, because for a lot of people
it also inspires their music.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
M it inspires the music. It's just like, I feel like.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Being inspired is the key to making music and making
and living a life of joy, you know what I'm saying,
Or living a life, living in life you.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Are, you know, desiring to live.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
It's like you got to stay inspired, whatever that means
to you. You know, everyone is an individual, so it's
like it's really whatever works for you. You got to
put yourself off enough importance to set these boundaries and
do what it is, even if you take a little
bit of time out for it. You know, because we
all got responsibilities, we all got jobs, We all got
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things that we may have to put as a priority,
whether you like them or not. You know, whether it's
something you're passionate about, whether it's some you fucking hate
every day, but you have to because you got to
pay bills because the economy is fucked up right now,
and you know, chicken breast costs way too much money
at the grocery store, and.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
The shit is fucked up out here. So it's like,
there are.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Things life is, and you know, stresses of life happen,
but in the midst of that, you got to be
disciplined enough to make it enjoyable, you know, because as
we get older, we see how fast it goes.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
And man, none of this is promised, none of it.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
So you know, I heard a funny statistic the other
day about how when you're a sperm, it's like winning
the lottery. It's like winning a lottery of like one
in a trillion or some crazy number and then winning
it again times a million or something like some wild
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ass odd or statistic.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
You know, you can look it up. You don't have
to quote me, but.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
That we all beat all these odds, these impossible odds
as one sperm, that we end up growing into being
a person, right, And it's like, and after all of that,
would some of us be complaining about being here and like,
you know how hard it is. But one of my
favorite lines on the album, which is also one of
my favorite sayings is you know, God doesn't give you
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what you want. God gives you what you need. And
sometimes what we want is what we need, so it aligns,
and sometimes it doesn't, and when it doesn't, we have
so much resistance to it. And it's like, yo, but
what if that's part of the part of the plan
to really progress yourself and to really grow as a soul,
you know, And because it's just so temporary, we're going
to move on to the next thing, And what if
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you need all these things to go to the next
part of progression, you know. So I've just been looking
at all all of it differently, you know, when things
go my way, when they don't go my way, and
realizing that it's always a way.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It's always a way to get what.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
You what you really desire and are passionate about and
have a no compromise.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Ideal. You know. That was a long wind to answer me.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
That's all right, I amounted so funny. People always say that.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I always say I'd rather people give long answers then
yes or no. So and it's interesting too because it
ties back in with the writing. And you said, that's
one of your favorite sayings. You know, one of the
things I really love is talking to songwriters. And you
mentioned Stevie, who I've known for years, or you know,
so many great peolp although I've never saw with em.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Always want to do that, but you know, I love Stevie.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And it's interesting when you talk with songwriters, they'll tell
you how much music can feel like a form of
channeling and like basically, you know, lyrics just come to you.
And I'm curious if there was stuff on this album
in particular where you really felt that, where stuff just
kind of hits you and you're like, you don't even
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know exactly where it comes from. But like people tell
you about full songs, the dreams and stuff like that,
have you experienced that.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, I've experienced a lot of songs that I've
written from a dream, songs that I woke up and had,
especially a lot of my earlier songs. But yeah, like
it all gets it's all streamline somehow, And you know,
music is so cool about making music is like it's
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one of the coolest things to create something out of
nothing in that amount of time. You know, one of
the only things that compared to is like when you
have a child. It's like that takes nine that takes
nine months and a lot of the things, but you know,
that's creating something out of nothing or something out of
that team, if you want to get technical. But like
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it's like when you create a song, it's like you're
really channeling something and creating it and now you have
something that exists that did not exist before. So you know,
when making this album, I always kept that in mind
of like creating these collaboring with all of these great
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producers I always wanted to work with, you know, especially
some of them have made some of my favorite pieces
of music, you know, like Thundercat or like even Malay,
who you know, he produced a lot of He produced
Channel Orange for Frankin like a ninety percent of Blonde
and Carter Lane, who he's been turning up lately with
Sizzle a lot. And just like all of these great
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producers that I got to work was for this album
and hit Boy and my producers Key Wayne and Amir
Johnson and Kate Kate Trinata and you know, Leon Thomas,
all of these great people that I admire and us
being able to make something out of nothing and make
these songs that are very special to me, you know,
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like come to Fruition. It's just been a true, a
true honor. But there were any songs that I dreamed about.
But there were songs that like, you know, the song
I wrote about my son on Up where I sampled
Jodasy and like I wrote that song in about thirty minutes,
and then songs like black Boy took About Like that
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was another quick one, but then I added to it later.
You know, sometimes you can work on a song for
months and months and months, but every song tells its
own story and has its own origin and its own
like way. It's never like a factory or like a
it's never like a ABC type of thing.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
It's like always a journey.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
What's interesting you said you wrote on Up in thirty minutes,
and that's you know, I've heard those stories so many times,
like Jimmy Clip telling me you wrote minegars Across at
ten minutes on the way to the studio. And it's
funny when you go back and hear something that comes
that quickly, there are elements of it that you're like,
I mean, you know where that came from. So is
there anything about that song that either surprised you or
(19:27):
that really stood out to you when you went back
in realize, like because it comes in the sub conscious
when it sounds quick mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah, it's just like when things happen like that, it's
just because it's like really on your It's like on
the front of your brain and the front of your heart,
and like that's the.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Truthest, Like that's it's an honor to.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Be an artist and be able to express yourself in
that way, you know, And there are a lot of
ways I don't express myself properly.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Like I'm still.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Figuring out how to communicate better and like be a
better friend, you know, and a lot of my relationships.
It's like I've been lacking in a lot of like
personal departments because of how serious I take the professional things.
But you know, I've been trying to do better just
as a human being, because.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
These people ain't gonna be here forever.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Man, Like you know, I got my dad staying with
me right now, and like we've just worked out and
I don't know how long he's gonna be here, Heaven forbid.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
But like.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
You know, there are times I go weeks without talking
to him and my mom and my brother and months
sometimes and it's just I can't be doing that shit
no more. Man, Like, that's not that's not how you
that's not the way, you know, because why am I
doing that? If it's for like a project or for something. Yeah,
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but I got I still got to do better. And
it just even if it's like a five minute, ten
minute you know.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Right, Well, you know it's really funny. Do you know
James Bay at all? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I know James Bay, Yeah for sure. Yeah, he's like that.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What's funny because he's a friend of just he also
has a three year old kid. We were just talking
about this what we were talking about his album last week.
And you know, for so many artists too, they become
artists because it's targeting them to communicate another way. So
it's interesting though, I think as you get older, do
you find that it's becoming more important to you for
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the inner personal relationships? But like Jody Mitchell famously said,
the hardest relationship for me is one on one. It's
easier to play the ten thousand people. And I think
a lot of our just feel that way.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Wow, that's really very accurate.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, for sure, it is, man, it is, and it
would just be real with you being a black man
and my family, Like, communication was never a strong suit
in our family. You know, it's definitely been a weak point.
And it's something that I feel like stems even back
(22:11):
from like when my dad grew up in Monroe, Louisiana,
and he would get his ass be for being on
the wrong side of the train tracks. You know, it
was super you know. My dad's in the seventies. So
you know my mom same, you know, had to go
drink out of a different water found in all sorts
of shit when she was a little girl.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Right. So it's like.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I think a lot of it stems from then and
before then of like yo, like don't express yourself conformed,
like be like a certain way.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You got to fit a certain.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Mold, you know, Like I remember even like learning how
to drive, my mom being like yo, like if you
get pulled over by the police, like take your hat
hat off, don't wear your hat to the back, Like
make sure you talk properly, you know, you know, rightfully
so because these cops will fucking kill you if they
think you're a threat for some reason, you know, or
do something take it further than they have to. Sometimes
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when people talk crazy, but I've been breaking out of
that mold and just realizing that, like, yo, you got
to like speak up when it's something that's on your
heart and communicate, like there's always a way to get
your point across, and do it in a way that
it makes sense no matter in any situation, you know,
whether it's getting pulled over and you're explaining something like
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where whether you are at one on one within a
relationship and you have to express yourself with respect, you know,
or not necessarily in a you know, tie with animosity
or you know, it's easy to push other people's buttons,
but you know, you just got to keep it real.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And I've gotten to a point where.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I was always trying to like make it easy and
like let things flow easily and not trying to like
disturb anything. But now I'm at the point where you
got to say how you feel, you know, because that
is so important and so much more respectable.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I agree, and we got to wrap up in a second.
But it's interesting too, because what you're talking about, I
think makes you a much better artist. Nuncious, you want
to say, you the generic deal, there's like what you
can be vulnerable, what do you can be open, like
were you talking about your kid all that? So do
you feel like on this album that you you hit
that point where as an artist you were able to
be way more open and you're seeing a difference in
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what you deal.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I feel like I was open on this album, but
I feel like I was open on my last album too,
And you know.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
A lot of some of the some of the comments
I saw a by my album is like, oh, it's
like a conscious he's like being more conscious. But I
kind of feel like I've always been even from my mixtapes,
you know, even from like when I first first started
songs like One Man Could Change the World and like things.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
That you know that I wrote about my grandma.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
So I don't know, like I think that I was
able to be a little more open, but just where
I'm at as a person. But I kind of have
always been an artist that wasn't scared to like talk
about how I was feeling, or even if you go
back with something like the song I have with Nipsey
Hustle Deep Reverence, It's like I was talking about how
I was mentally down bad back then, you know, And
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I remember when I was in the studio with James Blake.
He was like saying, man, I appreciate you speaking out
on like mental health and all these things. And I'm like,
it wasn't even a that wasn't even what I was
trying to do. I was just expressing myself. But you know,
I think it's just people may not be familiar with
my game, so a little bit too so, but I
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do think I was open on this album. I was
open on the last album. I was open on the
one before that, I Decided, and the one before that
on Dark Sky Paradise. So I think it's like, I
think it's something I'll continue to do too, and like
even try and be more open if if I choose to,
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you know, if I feel like, if it's all my
heart to express.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It makes sense.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But just when we're talking about how as a person,
you know, learning to communicate more with parents and things
like that, and I think everybody's say, get older, your
priorities change, and of course any other kid, all that
changes too, And I think it, you know, the more
open you are as a person, the more, like I say,
it helps you anybody as an artist. But I mean
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I agree, I think it's always been there but you know, everybody,
I think because you get older, you get more probably confident,
and you become more comfortable being more vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I don't mind being vulnerable because you know, my vulnerability
can help somebody else, you know. So that's that's the
whole point inter it, you know, And that's like that
is definitely something that I've gotten more comfortable being more vulnerable,
and I can't wait so like explore more size of
that too, and like just open up more and like
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try more things, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Like yeah, like I said this, this.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Album, I got to musically explore parts of me that
I never have on any other album, Like songs like
Black Void with Me and ThunderCats, songs like Apologized with.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Me and Aaron Allen Kine.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Songs like My Life with Me and Kate Trin out
of They are all like different feelings for me that
I've never quite nailed but are kind of like a
part of my DNA musically that I've expanded on. So
I was super excited to not only collab with these
people that I you know, make some of my favorite music,
but just also to you know, progress myself creatively and
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keep going and keep growing. So that is one of
the things that I'm most excited about with this album, particularly.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Have Lions do the season. I say, your all time
lines offense.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Where do they go?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, people were trying to talking shit about me when
I put Jared Goff up front in front of Matthew Stafford,
and I'm like, are y'all fucking crazy? And then Matthew
and then Jared Goff throws a perfect game, so it's like,
all y'all motherfuckers that was talking shit, Like what the
fuck you gotta say?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Now? Like, Jared Goff definitely definitely is.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
The quarterback for the Lions right now, and I'm proud
of proud of him for throwing a perfect game. I
think he's the only quarterback to throw a perfect game,
you know. And uh, and I'm proud of the Lions,
Dan Campbell. Every player offense and defense are just full
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of all stars and superstars to me of the game,
not because of their status, because of how they're.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Playing, you know. So I'm proud of them.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
And I'm proud of the Detroit Tigris as well, you know,
they like that's the team that I'm just proud of
the season. They are having and like them starting out
poorly and like really getting it together and going on
a generational run and making it to the playoffs and
you know, in the wild card and doing well. You know,
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as we're speaking, they're beating the Astros right now. So yeah,
and you know, and I'm also working with the Pistons.
I'm the creative director for the Pistons as well, so
we have a lot of things playing for them that
I'm excited about. And I'm They're a young team that's
still developing, and they had not the best season last year, obviously,
not a good season at all. And I think that
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the motivation and the grit that they have, and that
the support they're receiving from all the other teams in
the city, I think that they'll start start doing everything
again too. But the Pistons are a dynasty.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
When you walk and see all the championship trophies and stuff,
it's like such a cool experience, like being able to
work out of there at their.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Facility and.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yeah, I mean, man, the whole city. It's a beautiful time.
So man, shout out to Detroit and yeah, it's on.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I was impressed that you managed to give a shout
to bad boys on the album. But I haven't grown
up in La.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, as you understand, I know the four Pistons team.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
It makes sense like we knocked out, we knocked down
stabbing Stack and Kobe and really fucked up your whole thing.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
But Kareem Play is very last year against the Pistons. Yep,
knocked out the championship tip.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yep, that's right, That is right, my friend.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I want to add that you know, anyone who really
takes a deep dive through the album, I appreciation you know,
and that.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I love this.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
I want people to know that, like I love this album.
I can't wait to go on tour and like performing
for the people who it really translates to, and also
to celebrate ten years of Dark scott Paradise too, which
is one of my favorite albums. So my next tour
I'll be like combining both of you know, my last
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two albums and also celebrating a ten years or that.
So I'm excited about hitting the road and just keep
making new music.
Hey, this Seatbalt and the Welcome to another episode of
In Service Hub. This week, I have a really wonderful
conversation with rapper Big Sean talking about Detroit sports, hanging
out with Eminem, giving back of course, and so much more.
Hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as I did.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I saw you played Iheartbat and it's funny. I was
just taking in this morning with John Sichs as a
good friend and he said it was the best one.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yet for you all.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
As a highlight, I heard you say, you make it
like even Vegas even more, which is fucking hard to do. Dude.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm not gonna lie, but I was born there, so
I can say that.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Yeah. Yeah, man.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
You know, Vegas is a wild place and you can leave.
You can leave Vegas. It's like not fucking with Vegas.
Having such a crazy time there. Like you know, there's
been times where I lost a lot of money in Vegas,
gambling too much and just all sorts of just wild
times in Vegas. But that was such a beautiful time.
It was like it made me by the way, Vegas
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has been amazing to me. So I love Vegas. They
always like been receptive to me, but it was just
it was nice to fill.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
All that love and.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
You know, run through the catalog and just perform for everybody. Man,
I had a great time out there, and my dad
was with me too, Like, my dad is a real
og when it comes to this shit. So he's like
very like much so just like enjoying the vibes. You know,
he's rocking a crazy outfit. You know, he's just he's
just it's cool to see him and have him living
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living through me, you know what I mean. And as
the father myself, I understand that more now.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, Well, two things I want to ask you about them.
On one of the album is amazing and it's interesting
because one thing first of all about Iheartfest is it
covers so many genres. So for you, were there are
people you were particularly excited to see or to meet?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, I was like excited to Chris
Martin is like one of my good friends. Like he's
actually been in my crib playing on the piano and
vibing out, So it was nice seeing him do his
thing solo.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And then he's one of the greatest performers ever too.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
By the way, Flavor Flavor is also a good friend
of mine, and a lot of people don't know if flavor.
Flavor is like classically trained in piano and is a
very amazing vocalist as well. But he's just such a
great personality and good energy. So it's always good seeing
him and he's someone I respect so much. And who
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else was great? I was there that I liked seeing.
Oh yeah those are cat too. I got caught up
with her and she's awesome. You know, it was cool
seeing a lot of people. I saw Halsey for a
little bit. I saw a lot of which I collaborated
with her a while ago.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But it was good. It was good just seeing everybody
doing their thing. Man.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
You know Aj from the Backstreet Boys, Well, actually I
got to kick it with him as well.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
He was there at we.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
Chopped it up and that was actually I met the
Backstreet Boys previous to that, so it was cool seeing
him again too.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah they're cool guys.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And the other thing that's interesting about this type of
the event is right, look, man, you headline all over
the world. I was quite interesting talking with artists. They
kind of enjoy when you were playing to an audience
that's lots of different fans. It's kind of takes you
back to the beginning, and it's a fun challenge because
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you get to prove it to a different audience. And
so when you're playing to fans of all, like you know,
there's classic rock people all that. Also, you're really good
test for like the new material, so whether there's stuff
you really enjoyed playing there and that really the response
was great.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, yeah, I enjoy playing all the new songs like
it is what it is with me and Gunna and
who you are Superstar and especially on up with my son,
Like I really feel like that people may have not
had heard that, but we're like very like open to it,
and like, you know, it all is infectious to me.
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So anytime I get a chance to display the music
and like perform, you know, I love performing, so it's
like a passion of mine. So I'm like passionate up
there and just having fun. So I love sharing that
with people who are there to see me, and also
people who aren't there to see me, because it's just opportunity,
you know, for them to get familiar and introduce to
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my music.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
No, totally, I've talked to a lot of artists like
that and they kind of enjoyed the challenge because it's like, look, man,
when it's your fans, you can go up do whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But it takes you back.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
Yeah, and it's not even to me, it's not even
a challenge. It's just uh, it's just it's just it
is what it is.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
It's like it's just a fun it's actually fun too.
But yeah, nothing beats, Like, yeah, nothing beats playing for
the people who came and paid to see you and
you've given them what they came for.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
That's like, that is definitely the best.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
That's but playing for people who don't who didn't expect
you to be who you are and like at least
like have a better understanding of you and are introduced
to you, that's that's awesome as well.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Nice you know. Also, I want to touch on I
know you spoke at the fourth Summit.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's interesting what you were saying about mental health, and
I think that's really cool and very valuable and you know,
but it's very interesting because I've talked about this with
a lot of people because especially now you commit to music,
you know, you start when you're so young. At some
point it makes sense because you continue to evolve that
you have to decide, Okay, this is still what I
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want to do. What you want to do when you're
sixteen may not be what you want to do when
you're thirty and have a kid.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Was there a point in the last few years where
you said, Okay, this is still what I want to do,
this is still who I am.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Well, you always go through You're like everyone as seems,
goes through moments where they question their profession or how
their life is going. But for me, I never questioned
it because it's been all I ever wanted since I
was a little little boy, and it has taken me
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around the world, and I've had such an amazing success,
you know, for over a decade and like sold over
like one hundred and eighty five million records or one
hundred and ninety million records at this point, and like,
you know, it's been a blessing.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Man.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
It could have went either way at any time, and
I'm very grateful to collaborate it with every single person
I've ever wanted to work with on the rap side
of things, unless except for them, you know, unless they're dead,
which is like, you know, I never really.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Got to officially collab with Jay Dilla. I never officially
got to collab with like.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
A lot of a lot of people in that in
that sense, but man, I've had studio sessions with Stevie Wonder.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Man.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I'm like, I've you know.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Sat with Eminem eating pizza talking about South Park and
writing raps, and been with Kanye working on some of
my favorite albums of all time that he's done, and
you know, been in the studio with jay Z and
all these people. Man, It's just like, I've like lived
such an amazing, incredible life that I've do music forever
(08:01):
because my perspective keeps growing. You know, if I don't
have anything to talk about, I wouldn't. But I don't
feel like I feel like my real purpose, though, is
beyond is to like inspire and to like, I have
such an amazing story to me, at least, like a
rap fairy tale story. You know, you get to rap
for your idol, you come from a city like Detroit,
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blah blah blah, And I was like, I was also
the first rapper to perform at the White House. There's
just a lot of make cool things that I've gotten
a chance to do in my life.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
And you know, it goes beyond music to me.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
You know, it's like a it's like a lot of
the gyms that I've acquired and a lot of the
information I've acquired from being in these rooms with all
these masters and not just music, but like I said,
like with Deepak Chopra or Sad Guru or all of
these like people that I've had one on one time
and learned so much from even Kobe Bryant just having
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a couple interact actions and talking to him and just
picking these great minds. It's like, I think my purpose
is to it's bigger than just to like wrap. I
think it's more like to pass on this information. That
was part of the why I wanted to write a
book as well. And that's that's what took so long
in between this my album before and this album is
(09:20):
because I actually wrote a book as well, which is
Go Higher, and it kind of talks about like all
of these moments and things to just kind of like
operate at your highest self of like give me the
best advantage of like you know, being on a pursuit
of happiness and like actually seeing it come to fruition.
But yeah, I think it's like, I think rap is
the great outlet for me to share my gift, but
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I think that that's not the only outlet that I have,
So I want to explore more of those outlets.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
You know, did the book come out?
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Yeah, no, no, no, it didn't come out yet.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
It comes out January twenty first, January twenty but you
can preorder it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
You can preorder it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
No, no, yeah, Well, you know, for me as a writer,
I love the fact that you did that. What's always
so interesting is, look, I've I've known so many writers
that when you write, there are so many things that
come out you haven't thought about, or so many things
that you remember or learn.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
So what were some of the biggest lessons you learned
in writing the book?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
M Because you know, take it back to thinking about
things when you were five years old that you ever
thought about it.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
It's then.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
One of the biggest lessons I learned writing a book
is that it takes a long time to write a book,
sometimes like the book I was trying to write. That
was kind of the lesson I learned. It wasn't really
a lesson about myself. It was actually a lesson on
how to write a book and what all it takes
and the dedication and time that it takes.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You gotta have a lot of patients.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Read a book you do. You gotta have a lot
of patients. It's not easy. And it's not like it's
like anything that's a project. You know, It like takes time,
it requires like you know, you could hit you could
hit writer's block, you could hit life comes up in
the way, but you have to put things off. It's
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like it's not and then you could take the time
out for it and still not come up with anything.
It's quite a it's quite a lesson of alignment of
how important it is to when you're doing something to
be aligned as you possibly can so that information and
those emotions and those feelings can all be streamlined properly.
And realize that it's way bigger than you. You know,
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this is like, this is not just about you, you know,
And that's that's I guess that's what I learned about
about writing.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Not so I can't wait to read it. It's so
much fun to deal but it is so much work.
But I love the fact to you that you talked
about your purpose in giving back and you said that
to inspire and it's really interesting because I've talked about
this with a lot of artists as well, especially you know,
being an electioneer, and there's a lot of need for hope,
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and I remember, the world is just freaking crazy as always,
so for you talk about the importance of giving back
and how you do that and how it inspires your
work though as well, because for a lot of people
it also inspires their music.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
M it inspires the music. It's just like, I feel like.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Being inspired is the key to making music and making
and living a life of joy, you know what I'm saying,
Or living a life, living in life you.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Are, you know, desiring to live.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
It's like you got to stay inspired, whatever that means
to you. You know, everyone is an individual, so it's
like it's really whatever works for you. You got to
put yourself off enough importance to set these boundaries and
do what it is, even if you take a little
bit of time out for it. You know, because we
all got responsibilities, we all got jobs, We all got
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things that we may have to put as a priority,
whether you like them or not. You know, whether it's
something you're passionate about, whether it's some you fucking hate
every day, but you have to because you got to
pay bills because the economy is fucked up right now,
and you know, chicken breast costs way too much money
at the grocery store, and.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
The shit is fucked up out here. So it's like,
there are.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Things life is, and you know, stresses of life happen,
but in the midst of that, you got to be
disciplined enough to make it enjoyable, you know, because as
we get older, we see how fast it goes.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
And man, none of this is promised, none of it.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
So you know, I heard a funny statistic the other
day about how when you're a sperm, it's like winning
the lottery. It's like winning a lottery of like one
in a trillion or some crazy number and then winning
it again times a million or something like some wild
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ass odd or statistic.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
You know, you can look it up. You don't have
to quote me, but.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
That we all beat all these odds, these impossible odds
as one sperm, that we end up growing into being
a person, right, And it's like, and after all of that,
would some of us be complaining about being here and like,
you know how hard it is. But one of my
favorite lines on the album, which is also one of
my favorite sayings is you know, God doesn't give you
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what you want. God gives you what you need. And
sometimes what we want is what we need, so it aligns,
and sometimes it doesn't, and when it doesn't, we have
so much resistance to it. And it's like, yo, but
what if that's part of the part of the plan
to really progress yourself and to really grow as a soul,
you know, And because it's just so temporary, we're going
to move on to the next thing, And what if
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you need all these things to go to the next
part of progression, you know. So I've just been looking
at all all of it differently, you know, when things
go my way, when they don't go my way, and
realizing that it's always a way.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It's always a way to get what.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
You what you really desire and are passionate about and
have a no compromise.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Ideal. You know. That was a long wind to answer me.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
That's all right, I amounted so funny. People always say that.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I always say I'd rather people give long answers then
yes or no. So and it's interesting too because it
ties back in with the writing. And you said, that's
one of your favorite sayings. You know, one of the
things I really love is talking to songwriters. And you
mentioned Stevie, who I've known for years, or you know,
so many great peolp although I've never saw with em.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Always want to do that, but you know, I love Stevie.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And it's interesting when you talk with songwriters, they'll tell
you how much music can feel like a form of
channeling and like basically, you know, lyrics just come to you.
And I'm curious if there was stuff on this album
in particular where you really felt that, where stuff just
kind of hits you and you're like, you don't even
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know exactly where it comes from. But like people tell
you about full songs, the dreams and stuff like that,
have you experienced that.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yeah, yeah, I've experienced a lot of songs that I've
written from a dream, songs that I woke up and had,
especially a lot of my earlier songs. But yeah, like
it all gets it's all streamline somehow, And you know,
music is so cool about making music is like it's
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one of the coolest things to create something out of
nothing in that amount of time. You know, one of
the only things that compared to is like when you
have a child. It's like that takes nine that takes
nine months and a lot of the things, but you know,
that's creating something out of nothing or something out of
that team, if you want to get technical. But like
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it's like when you create a song, it's like you're
really channeling something and creating it and now you have
something that exists that did not exist before. So you know,
when making this album, I always kept that in mind
of like creating these collaboring with all of these great
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producers I always wanted to work with, you know, especially
some of them have made some of my favorite pieces
of music, you know, like Thundercat or like even Malay,
who you know, he produced a lot of He produced
Channel Orange for Frankin like a ninety percent of Blonde
and Carter Lane, who he's been turning up lately with
Sizzle a lot. And just like all of these great
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producers that I got to work was for this album
and hit Boy and my producers Key Wayne and Amir
Johnson and Kate Kate Trinata and you know, Leon Thomas,
all of these great people that I admire and us
being able to make something out of nothing and make
these songs that are very special to me, you know,
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like come to Fruition. It's just been a true, a
true honor. But there were any songs that I dreamed about.
But there were songs that like, you know, the song
I wrote about my son on Up where I sampled
Jodasy and like I wrote that song in about thirty minutes,
and then songs like black Boy took About Like that
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was another quick one, but then I added to it later.
You know, sometimes you can work on a song for
months and months and months, but every song tells its
own story and has its own origin and its own
like way. It's never like a factory or like a
it's never like a ABC type of thing.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
It's like always a journey.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
What's interesting you said you wrote on Up in thirty minutes,
and that's you know, I've heard those stories so many times,
like Jimmy Clip telling me you wrote minegars Across at
ten minutes on the way to the studio. And it's
funny when you go back and hear something that comes
that quickly, there are elements of it that you're like,
I mean, you know where that came from. So is
there anything about that song that either surprised you or
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that really stood out to you when you went back
in realize, like because it comes in the sub conscious
when it sounds quick mm hmm.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah, it's just like when things happen like that, it's
just because it's like really on your It's like on
the front of your brain and the front of your heart,
and like that's the.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Truthest, Like that's it's an honor to.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Be an artist and be able to express yourself in
that way, you know, And there are a lot of
ways I don't express myself properly.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Like I'm still.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Figuring out how to communicate better and like be a
better friend, you know, and a lot of my relationships.
It's like I've been lacking in a lot of like
personal departments because of how serious I take the professional things.
But you know, I've been trying to do better just
as a human being, because.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
These people ain't gonna be here forever.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
Man, Like you know, I got my dad staying with
me right now, and like we've just worked out and
I don't know how long he's gonna be here, Heaven forbid.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
But like.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
You know, there are times I go weeks without talking
to him and my mom and my brother and months
sometimes and it's just I can't be doing that shit
no more. Man, Like, that's not that's not how you
that's not the way, you know, because why am I
doing that? If it's for like a project or for something. Yeah,
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but I got I still got to do better. And
it just even if it's like a five minute, ten
minute you know.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Right, Well, you know it's really funny. Do you know
James Bay at all? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:10):
I know James Bay, Yeah for sure. Yeah, he's like that.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What's funny because he's a friend of just he also
has a three year old kid. We were just talking
about this what we were talking about his album last week.
And you know, for so many artists too, they become
artists because it's targeting them to communicate another way. So
it's interesting though, I think as you get older, do
you find that it's becoming more important to you for
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the inner personal relationships? But like Jody Mitchell famously said,
the hardest relationship for me is one on one. It's
easier to play the ten thousand people. And I think
a lot of our just feel that way.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Wow, that's really very accurate.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Yeah, for sure, it is, man, it is, and it
would just be real with you being a black man
and my family, Like, communication was never a strong suit
in our family. You know, it's definitely been a weak point.
And it's something that I feel like stems even back
(22:11):
from like when my dad grew up in Monroe, Louisiana,
and he would get his ass be for being on
the wrong side of the train tracks. You know, it
was super you know. My dad's in the seventies. So
you know my mom same, you know, had to go
drink out of a different water found in all sorts
of shit when she was a little girl.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Right. So it's like.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I think a lot of it stems from then and
before then of like yo, like don't express yourself conformed,
like be like a certain way.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
You got to fit a certain.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Mold, you know, Like I remember even like learning how
to drive, my mom being like yo, like if you
get pulled over by the police, like take your hat
hat off, don't wear your hat to the back, Like
make sure you talk properly, you know, you know, rightfully
so because these cops will fucking kill you if they
think you're a threat for some reason, you know, or
do something take it further than they have to. Sometimes
(23:09):
when people talk crazy, but I've been breaking out of
that mold and just realizing that, like, yo, you got
to like speak up when it's something that's on your
heart and communicate, like there's always a way to get
your point across, and do it in a way that
it makes sense no matter in any situation, you know,
whether it's getting pulled over and you're explaining something like
(23:29):
where whether you are at one on one within a
relationship and you have to express yourself with respect, you know,
or not necessarily in a you know, tie with animosity
or you know, it's easy to push other people's buttons,
but you know, you just got to keep it real.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
And I've gotten to a point where.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I was always trying to like make it easy and
like let things flow easily and not trying to like
disturb anything. But now I'm at the point where you
got to say how you feel, you know, because that
is so important and so much more respectable.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I agree, and we got to wrap up in a second.
But it's interesting too, because what you're talking about, I
think makes you a much better artist. Nuncious, you want
to say, you the generic deal, there's like what you
can be vulnerable, what do you can be open, like
were you talking about your kid all that? So do
you feel like on this album that you you hit
that point where as an artist you were able to
be way more open and you're seeing a difference in
(24:38):
what you deal.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
I feel like I was open on this album, but
I feel like I was open on my last album too,
And you know.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
A lot of some of the some of the comments
I saw a by my album is like, oh, it's
like a conscious he's like being more conscious. But I
kind of feel like I've always been even from my mixtapes,
you know, even from like when I first first started
songs like One Man Could Change the World and like things.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
That you know that I wrote about my grandma.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
So I don't know, like I think that I was
able to be a little more open, but just where
I'm at as a person. But I kind of have
always been an artist that wasn't scared to like talk
about how I was feeling, or even if you go
back with something like the song I have with Nipsey
Hustle Deep Reverence, It's like I was talking about how
I was mentally down bad back then, you know, And
(25:30):
I remember when I was in the studio with James Blake.
He was like saying, man, I appreciate you speaking out
on like mental health and all these things. And I'm like,
it wasn't even a that wasn't even what I was
trying to do. I was just expressing myself. But you know,
I think it's just people may not be familiar with
my game, so a little bit too so, but I
(25:52):
do think I was open on this album. I was
open on the last album. I was open on the
one before that, I Decided, and the one before that
on Dark Sky Paradise. So I think it's like, I
think it's something I'll continue to do too, and like
even try and be more open if if I choose to,
(26:12):
you know, if I feel like, if it's all my
heart to express.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
It makes sense.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But just when we're talking about how as a person,
you know, learning to communicate more with parents and things
like that, and I think everybody's say, get older, your
priorities change, and of course any other kid, all that
changes too, And I think it, you know, the more
open you are as a person, the more, like I say,
it helps you anybody as an artist. But I mean
(26:38):
I agree, I think it's always been there but you know, everybody,
I think because you get older, you get more probably confident,
and you become more comfortable being more vulnerable.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
I don't mind being vulnerable because you know, my vulnerability
can help somebody else, you know. So that's that's the
whole point inter it, you know, And that's like that
is definitely something that I've gotten more comfortable being more vulnerable,
and I can't wait so like explore more size of
that too, and like just open up more and like
(27:13):
try more things, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Like yeah, like I said this, this.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
Album, I got to musically explore parts of me that
I never have on any other album, Like songs like
Black Void with Me and ThunderCats, songs like Apologized with.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Me and Aaron Allen Kine.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
Songs like My Life with Me and Kate Trin out
of They are all like different feelings for me that
I've never quite nailed but are kind of like a
part of my DNA musically that I've expanded on. So
I was super excited to not only collab with these
people that I you know, make some of my favorite music,
but just also to you know, progress myself creatively and
(27:57):
keep going and keep growing. So that is one of
the things that I'm most excited about with this album, particularly.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Have Lions do the season. I say, your all time
lines offense.
Speaker 6 (28:07):
Where do they go?
Speaker 5 (28:09):
Yeah, people were trying to talking shit about me when
I put Jared Goff up front in front of Matthew Stafford,
and I'm like, are y'all fucking crazy? And then Matthew
and then Jared Goff throws a perfect game, so it's like,
all y'all motherfuckers that was talking shit, Like what the
fuck you gotta say?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Now? Like, Jared Goff definitely definitely is.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
The quarterback for the Lions right now, and I'm proud
of proud of him for throwing a perfect game. I
think he's the only quarterback to throw a perfect game,
you know. And uh, and I'm proud of the Lions,
Dan Campbell. Every player offense and defense are just full
(28:53):
of all stars and superstars to me of the game,
not because of their status, because of how they're.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Playing, you know. So I'm proud of them.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
And I'm proud of the Detroit Tigris as well, you know,
they like that's the team that I'm just proud of
the season. They are having and like them starting out
poorly and like really getting it together and going on
a generational run and making it to the playoffs and
you know, in the wild card and doing well. You know,
(29:23):
as we're speaking, they're beating the Astros right now. So yeah,
and you know, and I'm also working with the Pistons.
I'm the creative director for the Pistons as well, so
we have a lot of things playing for them that
I'm excited about. And I'm They're a young team that's
still developing, and they had not the best season last year, obviously,
not a good season at all. And I think that
(29:45):
the motivation and the grit that they have, and that
the support they're receiving from all the other teams in
the city, I think that they'll start start doing everything
again too. But the Pistons are a dynasty.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
When you walk and see all the championship trophies and stuff,
it's like such a cool experience, like being able to
work out of there at their.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Facility and.
Speaker 5 (30:11):
Yeah, I mean, man, the whole city. It's a beautiful time.
So man, shout out to Detroit and yeah, it's on.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I was impressed that you managed to give a shout
to bad boys on the album. But I haven't grown
up in La.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah, as you understand, I know the four Pistons team.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
It makes sense like we knocked out, we knocked down
stabbing Stack and Kobe and really fucked up your whole thing.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
But Kareem Play is very last year against the Pistons. Yep,
knocked out the championship tip.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yep, that's right, That is right, my friend.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
I want to add that you know, anyone who really
takes a deep dive through the album, I appreciation you know,
and that.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I love this.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
I want people to know that, like I love this album.
I can't wait to go on tour and like performing
for the people who it really translates to, and also
to celebrate ten years of Dark scott Paradise too, which
is one of my favorite albums. So my next tour
I'll be like combining both of you know, my last
(31:23):
two albums and also celebrating a ten years or that.
So I'm excited about hitting the road and just keep
making new music.
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